From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 17 12:13:25 1999 Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26498 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09770 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909171613.MAA09770@listserv.albany.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:13:20 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Albany (1.8d)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG9811E" To: adamf@TITAN.METALAB.UNC.EDU Content-Length: 33196 Lines: 794 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:39:33 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: David Green Subject: Awww....c'mon Andy (was"kill a beekeeper" with BS) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/28/98 7:39:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, andy.nachbaur@CALWEST.NET writes: > How easy it is to stomp on a flat cat, but how those cats do recover! > Remember those famous lies, will add one more. "I am here from the Carl > Hayen Honey Bee Research Center and I am here to help you beekeepers." Yeah > you bet, and so is Dr. Death! > > You can find the full story at http://beenet.com/bnews.htm Andy, Please unknot your shorts! Steve was referring to the Sonoran Desert in Arizona, which is probably the richest (pesticide free) bee habitat in the world. He was referring to gardeners in the Tucson area, and I believe he's right - for that specific case. Now, if Steve believes that pollination of other areas of the country will be supplied by wild bees, I'll argue with him then. Then, he needs to get out of the Sonoran desert and look around the rest of the country. Pesticide misuse is a greater problem than varroa mites, as we were losing pollinator populations before varroa arrived. And pesticide misuse affects all bees, but solitary wild bees have no human protection or salvage. And, remember all those times you've spoken to the media, and an aside became the main story, or the reporter flat out misquoted you? It's happened to me. One reporter made me so mad I could have spit on her, putting words in my mouth that I never said...... I read the story (thrice), and nowhow can I make out Steve Buchmann to be the enemy. Andy, you often amuse and entertain me, your creative writing is just plain brilliant, and you are right on the nose a lot of the time, but this time you went off the deep end. Do I need to toss a line? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html The Pollination Home Page: http://www.pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:07:05 -0700 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Allen Dick Organization: The Beekeepers Subject: Re: Gabon tapes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable http://www.hclrss.demon.co.uk/acrinathrin.html - acrinathrin data sheet http://www.hclrss.demon.co.uk/class_insecticides.html - Insecticide classification http://www.agrevo.com.br/rufast.htm - AgrEvo http://www.epa.gov/opppmsd1/DataSubmittersList/dslchem.htm - US EPA Pesticide data Submitters List (PDSL) http://www.foodsafety.org/sf/sf200b.htm - FDA/CFSAN Pesticide Program, Residue Monitoring 1995 http://www.nihs.go.jp/incident/law/zanno/ezanno.html - List of pesticides which residues in foods are regulated by the food sanitation... http://www.sofia.fta-berlin.de/pestlist.htm - Pestizidliste http://www.hclrss.demon.co.uk/index_cn.html - ndex of common names http://www.sofia.fta-berlin.de/Pestlist.htm - Pestizidliste http://www.agridata.mg.gov.br/agrotoxico/agcadastro_agrotoxicos pqr.htm - Agrot=F3xicos p-q-r -- Buy, sell, trade, get a job, hire help, announce a meeting, advertise a business or publication... For free *beekeeping related* classified ads, visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BeeAds/ often. These ads work fast! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:49:23 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: John Caldeira Subject: Re: "kill a beekeeper" BS from USDA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: > 11.28 Latest line of Bee Pest Control BS with the >help of the Steve Buchmann of the USDA Carl Hayden Bee Research >Center. "Even if you exterminated every honeybee and all the >Africanized bees, we would not be out the window in terms of >pollination because of these native bees.'' "Pollination unlikely to >suffer from bee losses" never better said by any DUSTY and this one's >on our payroll. I for one will remember that next time they need a >friend to help get more public funding. > We may not like what we read, but I appreciate that our USDA scientists give their honest opinions and present objective research results. We risk tainting scientific research if future funding is influenced by whether they get "politically correct" results. It is appropriate to influence the kinds of research that use public funding so that it addresses the right problems, but we should expect nothing less than unbiased conclusions (even if it hurts sometimes). In general, I think the USDA is doing a great job for beekeepers with mite control and in other applied research areas. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 10:23:11 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Steven Albritton Subject: Re: Number of Supers per Hive In-Reply-To: <199811290301.VAA29554@mailbox.iamerica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I run 100% shallow supers. With nine frames they will hold 2.5 gallons per super when fully capped. Weight is the main factor. Plus the new extractor I purchased will hold 21 shallow frames but only 12 medium super frames. Therefore they are not on the way out with me. Steven Albritton Intermedia Communications, Sports America, Chauvin Honey Farms ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:06:24 -0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Peter Dalby Subject: APISTAN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have here in England received great news this week. Thursday 26th November saw the day the registration of Apistan was finally granted. This now means we have two products we can use to treat Varroa with. Bayvarol and Apistan. The Apistan is cheaper per hive and now available. This development is not before time. Peter Dalby, England ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:05:55 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Gordon N. Stowe" Subject: Separating the upper and lower hive bodies Many thanks to those who responded to my request for ideas on Apistan strips as well as ideas on how to make life easier for separating "welded together" upper and lower hive bodies. Actually, I think I did quite well. Instead of fighting the whole body, I removed about 4 frames from the middle of the upper body leaving 3 frames on each side. I then removed the upper body with much less resistance and it was really quite easy. Thanks again to all who were helpful. Gordon ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:50:59 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Thomas W Hoyt Subject: Re: bee sting desensitization On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:53:34 -0500 Darrells writes: >My advice to Pastor Hoyt: More stings in your beeyard will accomplish >your goal. I do not have a "Goal" to inflict pain - - but I do love beekeeping. Should I try to get MORE stings - and hope that each will hurt less? Should that build up an immunity (less itch & swelling) over time? Pastor Thomas W. Hoyt Our Redeemer Lutheran Church Forsyth, IL ( middle of the USA ) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:37:46 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: tomas mozer Subject: Re: Tracheal mites video Comments: To: edwards@TUCSON.ARS.AG.GOV Internet Sites This file is a listing of web resources compiled by Dr. M.T. Sanford, Extension Apiculturist, University of Florida. e-mail: mts@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu Last Updated: July 2, 1998 Table of Contents: Return to APIS home page [ http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm] Resources available through the Florida Agricultural Information and Retrieval Service (FAIRS) and the University of Florida Beekeeping Extension Program. These include the text and graphics to circulars : Florida Bee Botany, A Florida Beekeeping Almanac, Diseases and Pests of Beekeeping and Protecting Honey Bees from Pesticides.and a variety of fact sheets: Extension Apicultural Visual Aids Visual aids are available for Florida use only; they cannot be shipped out of state.[however sending a blank cassette with request may enable copying, copyright permitting] HONEY BEE TRACHEAL MITE Catalog #: VT-086 Length: Source: IFAS Editorial Description: Information on discovery and effects of the honey bee tracheal mite. ______________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 11:09:58 -0500 Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Michael Palmer Organization: French Hill Apiaries Subject: Re: 5 Problems/Yard Rent MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wasn't going to take the bait on this one, but the more I think about it the angrier I get. First let me say that I admire the hobbyist, back yarder, beginner, newbie beekeeper. I admire their ambition and their excitement. I admire the way they jump into something that has taken some of us years to learn. My comments aren't really aimed at anyone in particular, but rather at ignorance of the situation. Ron, you just haven't got a clue! With 50 colonies, did you make 5000 lbs of honey? If not, you didn't have to pay the honey board a penny a pound. Lucky you. And you probably have a job supporting your family AND your bees. Being so insulated, I don't think you have a right to make the comments you did. Ignorance is bliss they say. Let's look at your "5" biggest problems in the beekeeping industry. The Uneducated beekeeper- Were you not one of these once upon a time(as was I) or were you born with your beekeeping knowledge? Biggest problem here is beekeepers who look down their noses at newbies instead of helping them out whenever possible. This IS a community ya know! The Lazy beekeeper is his/her own solution. They don't last long, as they are their own cure. Manage your own colonies properly, and your bees will still be here when their's will have been eaten up by wax moths. The Cheap beekeeper? No, I haven't seen anyone put their honey is used spackle buckets. Really, you think this is a major problem in the industry? Of the 100 million tons of honey produced in this country, I wonder how much was stored this way. And are you one of these "frugal" beekeepers who reuses their Apistan strips? Hasta la vista baby. And the Bad beekeeper! Now there's a real problem! Our biggest problems should be hung on them-really!! Were all a bunch of crooks looking for another dumb mark.Whatever! And now we come to the Indebted beekeeper. Using your expertise to help a neighbor remove an unwanted colony of bees. Now that's a real problem. Maybe the real problem is that more of us don't help our neighbors for free. Maybe we should demand their first born when we pull them out of the ditch. We should certainly be "embarassed" by our love of bees and our willingness to help. What a world it would be!! Flaming aside, What is the real problem with our industry? I believe it's the low prices we get for our product. With 50 colonies, one could probably sell a year's crop at the "farmers market." Must be nice. What about the commercial beekeeper who makes many tons of honey each year. That's where the real honey is, and the real money for that matter. We pay real money for supplies, help, and the interest on our "indebtedness." When we sell our crop, which cost at least $.50 a pound to produce, how much do we receive? $.60 or $.62. Oh yeah, don't forget the honey board's penny(10%of our income!!). An $8000 profit on a 40 ton crop this year? That's not a problem is it? After working from mid March to mid November, paying help, taxes etc, I'm so proud my honey's the best! I'm proud all the way to to the bank to borrow more $$$ to increase my "indebtedness" to keep this operation afloat one more year. I'm proud as hell that I can't give my kids what they want for Christmas. Without the commercial beekeeper's purchases, how much do you think your Apistan would cost? How about the rest of your supplies? How long would the foundation mill be in business on your tiny purchases? Ron, I'm glad you can get away so "cheaply" on your yard rentals. Rental cost me over $1200 this year. Personally I'm glad to share the bounty, and clearly not "embarassed". I don't mean to whine or sound like a sourpuss. When someone makes comments like these, and others write in to agree "whole heartedly", it just slaps me in the face. Maintain love and respect in the community. Have a nice turkey day. Mike 45 N 73W Ron Bogansky wrote: > > > > > Ron Bogansky > Milk & Honey Farm > Kutztown, PA USA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:36:59 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: John Goodman Subject: journalist's request Comments: cc: Bill Sones Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ANY REPLIES DIRECT TO BILL SONES PLEASE >Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 01:26:23 -0500 >From: Bill Sones >Reply-To: strangetrue@ameritech.net >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-AIT (Win95; U) >To: j.m.goodman@csl.gov.uk >Subject: journalist's request > >Dear Dr. Goodman, > >I am coauthor of a weekly newspaper column called "Strange >But True," now in about 45 papers worldwide (Miami Herald, >Chicago Sun-Times, Hartford Courant, Minneapolis Star- >Tribune, Ottawa Citizen, South China Morning Post, Zambia >Daily Mail, etc). We do the column in Q & A format, usually >with three items per column, focusing on some of the ZANIER, >MORE STARTLING byways of scientific research. It is our >belief that verifiable facts and information are more fun to >read than sensationalistic stuff that doesn't stand up to >scrutiny, though it may make for titillating headlines. So, >we're looking for the strange, but true. > >We wonder if you might help us answer the offbeat question >below. Thank you much for considering our request. > >Cordially, > >Bill Sones >strangetrue@ameritech.net >2685 Euclid Heights Blvd. #6 >Cleveland Heights, Ohio 44106-2827 >216-932-5538 > > >Q. Do honeybees taken aboard an airplane suffer from jet-lag? > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:05:51 -0500 Reply-To: tvf@umich.edu Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Ted Fischer Subject: Re: Number of Supers per Hive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Buck Rut wrote: > Greetings all, > I use medium depth supers for my honey supers. Being new at > this, I am not sure how many supers to have on hand for the honey > flow. Is there a rule of thumb for medium supers? Also, are shallow > supers on their way out? Is there a rule of thumb for how many > shallow supers to have on hand per hive? As a rule of thumb, I plan on 4 supers per colony. Two-queen colonies will take more, but if you extract more often and return the supers to the colony, you'll be OK. The most I ever put on is seven supers because of height limitations. But because I only extract once per season, usually the 2-queen colonies have all seven filled side to side and top to bottom. Often a new package colony will only use one or two. A new swarm colony might not use any, depending on when in the season it was hived. As to the shallow supers, I wish they had never been invented. I bought a lot of my equipment second hand, and shallow supers occasionally came with the lot. It is a bother to keep the shallow frames and the medium frames separate while extracting. I hope that they are on their way out, but I doubt it. Ted Fischer Dexter, Michigan USA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:57:33 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Kai-M. Engfer" Subject: Looking for seeds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hi all, I am looking for seeds of interesting plants from Chile, New Zealand, especially of Araucaria araucana. Who can help me? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:17:59 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Tim Sterrett Subject: Re: bee sting desensitization MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas Hoyt wrote: Should I try to get MORE stings - and hope that each will hurt less? Should that build up an immunity (less itch & swelling) over time? ***************************** Many beekeepers appear to be immune to bee stings. After twenty-five years of keeping a few hives, I have not become immune and stings hurt just as much as they ever did. The appearance of immunity may be helped by these things: 1. I'm more tuned in to the bees now than I was when I started, dressed in long pants and wearing gloves. So, while I wear less protection (short sleeves and trousers and no gloves), I am also quicker to scrape away the stinger when I do get stung and to brush away (or dispatch) the bee that is trying to get a grip on my skin so she can sting me. 2. If the bees seem agitated, I put the cover back on and return at another time. 3. If I open a hive at night (or at night in the rain!), I know what is likely to happen and I plan ahead and work quickly. Years ago, when I was a new beekeeper, I watched an ancient gentleman working bees and marveled that he did not get stung. Then I saw a bee sting him; he did nothing but just went on working. Recently, as I prepared to open a hive with a new, teenage beekeeper, I was explaining that she would probably not get stung. When she hesitated, I said, "You don't believe me, do you?" "No," she wailed, "because you don't care if you get stung!" That is likely one of the things that separates new beekeepers from long-time beekeepers. Tim -- Tim Sterrett sterrett@voicenet.com (southeastern) Pennsylvania, USA 40.0 N 75.5 W ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:00:25 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Stephen Buchmann Subject: Steve Buchmann replies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Dear Beekeepers, I'm taking off my USDA bee veil now, and replying to this recent e-thread on BEE-L before it gets out of hand. I was shocked to see how the Arizona Daily Star reporter misquoted, or at the very least misrepresented what I said. So, please let me state my case. I was simply trying to explain to him (they don't like long answers) that southern Arizona has more native bees (about 1,200 species) than anywhere else on the planet and that those bees visit and pollinate a lot of crops and wildland plants. Also explained that honey bees are generalists and do a lot of flower-visiting and pollinating. Of course, even though honey bees are "Jills" of all trades, they don't visit certain nectarless flowers (e.g. tomato blossoms) for which, we thankfully have bumblebees. The reporter asked me bluntly whether pollination would be eliminated if all the honey bees were somehow (obviously this is impossible and ill-advised) removed from the Tucson city limits. I told him no, you wouldn't stop all the pollination, because of the rich bee biodiversity in this area. He took it from there and made some wrong-headed statements. Let's say a prayer of thanks just past Thanksgiving and think of what we owe pollinating animals (about 200,000 species the world over, including foremost- BEES, but also bats, birds, butterflies, moths, flies, beetles and wasps). 1) One third of our diets (fruits, vegetables, seeds) comes from the pollinating activities of bees and other pollinators, but mostly bee-pollinated plants. 2) Cotton, flax and other textiles. Cotton bolls start out as cotton flowers that are visited and pollinated by bees. 3) Beverages- many juices and other beverages from fruits that began as bee-pollinated flowers. 4) Medicines/dyes- Again, same story. Many of these naturally occuring chemicals come from fruits and seeds that bees visited in their tireless search for pollen and nectar and moved the pollen around. I have been a firm supporter of organic and sustainable agriculture and the dangers of insecticides for honey bees and all bees. I especially disliked being called a "dusty." For these, and many other reasons, the proudest accomplishment of my career to date, has been the far-reaching. effects of "The Forgotten Pollinators Campaign" which I co-founded with Dr. Gary Paul Nabhan at the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum in Tucson. Our work goes on. In fact, on January 15, 1999 in Washington, D.C. we will be present a a Pollinator Breakfast and Roundtable hosted by Secretary of the Interior Bruce Babbitt. Many government leaders and representatives of NGO's and the media will be there. I look forward to sharing the message of "saving/conserving all pollinators" with them. Finally, for myself, and the other scientists at the Carl Hayden Bee Research Center, are VERY grateful indeed for the support of the beekeeping industry. Without such support, I wouldn't have a job, nor much food on the table. In fact, the industry was instrumental in keeping our doors open in October, 1996. We have several beekeepers on our Liaison committee and we value their inupt/review of our publically-funded research every year when they visit us for two days. We value their input and friendship. Happy Beekeeping, Stephen Buchmann P.S. You might enjoy following these links Visit G.E.A.R.S. at http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/ Steve's homepage http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/buchmann/index.html Forgotten Pollinators: http://www.desert.net/museum/fp/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:59:14 -0500 Reply-To: jrosas@uniandes.edu.co Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Jose Rosas Subject: Re: bee sting desensitization In-Reply-To: <3662E157.A480F68B@voicenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim.. I am starting as a beekeeper in Colombia south america, but was adviced to import queens, do you know where would be a good place to get them... Regards, Jose Rosas -----Original Message----- From: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology [mailto:BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU]On Behalf Of Tim Sterrett Sent: Lunes 30 de Noviembre de 1998 01:18 PM To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Subject: Re: bee sting desensitization Thomas Hoyt wrote: Should I try to get MORE stings - and hope that each will hurt less? Should that build up an immunity (less itch & swelling) over time? ***************************** Many beekeepers appear to be immune to bee stings. After twenty-five years of keeping a few hives, I have not become immune and stings hurt just as much as they ever did. The appearance of immunity may be helped by these things: 1. I'm more tuned in to the bees now than I was when I started, dressed in long pants and wearing gloves. So, while I wear less protection (short sleeves and trousers and no gloves), I am also quicker to scrape away the stinger when I do get stung and to brush away (or dispatch) the bee that is trying to get a grip on my skin so she can sting me. 2. If the bees seem agitated, I put the cover back on and return at another time. 3. If I open a hive at night (or at night in the rain!), I know what is likely to happen and I plan ahead and work quickly. Years ago, when I was a new beekeeper, I watched an ancient gentleman working bees and marveled that he did not get stung. Then I saw a bee sting him; he did nothing but just went on working. Recently, as I prepared to open a hive with a new, teenage beekeeper, I was explaining that she would probably not get stung. When she hesitated, I said, "You don't believe me, do you?" "No," she wailed, "because you don't care if you get stung!" That is likely one of the things that separates new beekeepers from long-time beekeepers. Tim -- Tim Sterrett sterrett@voicenet.com (southeastern) Pennsylvania, USA 40.0 N 75.5 W ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:06:20 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Subject: Re: Steve Buchmann replies In-Reply-To: <199812010116.RAA13041@mx1.thegrid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:00 PM 11/30/98 -0700, you wrote: >e-thread on BEE-L before it gets out of hand. I was shocked to see >how the Arizona Daily Star reporter misquoted, or at the very least >misrepresented what I said. So, please let me state my case. Really happy to hear/read that from you and I would suggest you give them written hand outs in the future as their history of hyping everything negative about honeybees is well documented in the archives at http://beenet.com/bnews.htm and because I have been also getting some mail on my opinion of what I read in or as many have said "into" the story. >even though honey bees are "Jills" of all trades, they don't visit >certain nectarless flowers (e.g. tomato blossoms) for which, we thankfully >have bumblebees. Is this your opinion on tomato blossoms or a scientific fact? In this area honeybees DO visit tomato blossoms for pollen and many a beekeeper has suffered unexpected losses from chemicals applied to tomato fields in bloom miles away from their bees or ask any tomato field irrigator can tell you what bees work on the farm. I have some slides of this if I can find them I would be happy to supply you a copy at cost or a signed copy of your book. I also have read of honeybees being used in tomato pollination under glass but I must admit I myself discounted that at the time as one of those "U show me" things. But by all accounts and my own experience feeding bees sugar can at times can force them to seek proteins from sources they normally would not touch and in a glass house it could be the case with some varieties of tomato's. Of course they would have to produce pollen even if they don't produce nectar. In my early beekeeping experience I kept bees in an area the had thousands of acres of cannery peas blooming each year and I knew that blooming peas were not attractive to honeybees as my bees never trespassed in a pea field. Many years later I had bees in an area that was growing peas for seed for export to Europe and produced an unexpected nice crop of pea honey. I learned that old world peas have nectar and new world peas don't. ttul, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com Left Coast, Republic of America (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:34:39 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Ines Kinchen Subject: old bee boxes and frames Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Brian and I bought some old bee boxes and frames from a retiring beekeeper. Some of them contained foul brood. The man told us that we would just have to clean them out and scroch them with a propane torch. We now read a reference telling us to burn frames (destroy them) which contained foul brood. What do you think/know? Is one able to reuse/disinfect old boxes and frames or should we get rid of them? If we have to get rid of the frames, can we still use the old boxes? We would appreciate all advice Thank you, INES