Article 29064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New vehicle Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:03:36 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3ac709ea.139976396@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29064 Picked up my new Viper at the dealer yesterday. I waited 8 months for it to arrive. I am glad I had my cell phone with me. The transmission locked up on the way home! The only thing that I couldn't figure out was why it had three pedals in the floor? beekeep Article 29065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news1-hme0!not-for-mail User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Re: Hives not building up! From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: References: <3ac70d1a.140791628@news1.radix.net><7404-3AC72754-47@storefull-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 16:07:52 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.248.46 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news1-hme0 986136941 212.137.248.46 (Sun, 01 Apr 2001 15:55:41 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 15:55:41 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29065 I find plain water works good most days! > From: gobow@webtv.net (Ray Morgan) > Organization: WebTV Subscriber > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 06:04:20 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: Hives not building up! > > Bob Dole and I know you are suppose to use Diet Pepsi. > > Ray > Article 29066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New vehicle Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:12:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3ac70cc7.140709058@news1.radix.net> References: <3ac709ea.139976396@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29066 On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:03:36 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >Picked up my new Viper at the dealer yesterday. I waited 8 months for >it to arrive. I am glad I had my cell phone with me. The >transmission locked up on the way home! The only thing that I couldn't >figure out was why it had three pedals in the floor? > >beekeep > Sorry guys, this was my april 1st post to the guys in the dodge truck news group. I have not finished my first cup of coffee yet. beekeep Article 29067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hives not building up! Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:13:59 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3ac70d1a.140791628@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29067 I have been feeding them all the diet coke syrup I can get my hands on but they still aren't building up. What do you think is the problem? beekeep Article 29068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bee Charmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives not building up! Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 07:39:58 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3ac70d1a.140791628@news1.radix.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29068 Did you say Diet Coke syrup? Do you mean high fructose corn syrup? chris www.greathoney.com Article 29069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: gobow@webtv.net (Ray Morgan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives not building up! Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 06:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7404-3AC72754-47@storefull-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <3ac70d1a.140791628@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAhPRxEd2s4DOt5o6Uc09C5qq2UhACFAgBKCwuOk8cjzu1XDb/dTl7eUgZ Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29069 Bob Dole and I know you are suppose to use Diet Pepsi. Ray Article 29070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives not building up! Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 17:36:03 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3ac76692.163698039@news1.radix.net> References: <3ac70d1a.140791628@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29070 On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 07:39:58 -0500, "Bee Charmer" wrote: >Did you say Diet Coke syrup? Do you mean high fructose corn syrup? > >chris >www.greathoney.com > Yes, I said diet coke syrup. Have you checked your calendar today? beekeep > Article 29071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Apr 2001 18:50:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Listen to piping queens Message-ID: <20010401145031.09005.00001691@ng-mo1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29071 http://kutikshoney.com/nucs/piping.htm Dave SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Article 29072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 24 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Apr 2001 18:58:59 GMT References: <3ac709ea.139976396@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: New vehicle Message-ID: <20010401145859.09005.00001693@ng-mo1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29072 >Picked up my new Viper at the dealer yesterday. I waited 8 months for >it to arrive. I am glad I had my cell phone with me. The >transmission locked up on the way home! The only thing that I couldn't >figure out was why it had three pedals in the floor? I hate to tell you this, but you stepped into a time warp. You actually got late teens or early '20's vintange Ford. That's why it had three pedals. When you learn to play them, you can drive again..... And never forget to retard the spark when you crank it. There's a special kind of bone break known as the "Model T" fracture. Man, beekeeping sure was different back then! But moving hives was easier when you didn't have to worry about the horses getting stung... Now what's a Viper? Cell phone? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Apr 2001 19:04:40 GMT References: <3ac70d1a.140791628@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Hives not building up! Message-ID: <20010401150440.09005.00001694@ng-mo1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29073 >I have been feeding them all the diet coke syrup I can get my hands on >but they still aren't building up. What do you think is the problem? Why are they on a diet? Is the queen getting a little chunky nowadays, maybe? Can't fit her tail into the cells, eh? I got news for you! The queen is *supposed* to be FAT. Give her some RC Cola syrup and a couple Moon Pies every day, and she'll do fine. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Apr 2001 00:31:10 GMT References: <20010401150440.09005.00001694@ng-mo1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Hives not building up! Message-ID: <20010401203110.08925.00001732@ng-mo1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29074 > > Why are they on a diet? Is the queen getting a little chunky nowadays, >maybe? Can't fit her tail into the cells, eh? > > I got news for you! The queen is *supposed* to be FAT. Give her some RC >Cola syrup and a couple Moon Pies every day, and she'll do fine. > LOLOLOLOLOLMAO I have a skinning Queen here and Trade with ya? Article 29075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!mhg3 From: Mike Griggs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USDA RFQ issued for hive rentals Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 21:25:11 -0400 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 37 Sender: verified_for_usenet@cornell.edu (mhg3 on d2083.dialup.cornell.edu) Message-ID: References: <3ac22c62.1115767348@news1.radix.net> <6jrw6.8931$9i1.729281@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <3AC259EA.DC89211B@raytheon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d2083.dialup.cornell.edu X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 986174713 2493 132.236.155.83 (2 Apr 2001 01:25:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2001 01:25:13 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29075 I work for USDA in Ithaca, and happen to be president of the local beekeepers association and president of the EAS 2002 Conference to be held here at Cornell. That Said, It bothers me that USDA is referenced as a large amorphous organisation of individual that are so incrusted in beurocracy as to impede every beekeepers initiative. We have potentials that some short term funded programs are unable to tackle. I personally am working on developing fungal pathogens of insects as alternatives to chemical insecticides but am working on evaluating the potential effects of these "new" treatments on non-target beneficials. OK more than you needed to know! This group who are hoping to contract with a local beekeeper to save money as our money is quite tight. Their mission is to maintain crop lineages in a seed gremplasm and use the nucs to insure incrosing under screen tents to maintain the seed crosses. This is real hard on the bees. It is something like bees in a greenhouse only worse. I cautioned that it is going to be a tough order to fill as the beekeeper will not make any honey and will need additional hives to maintain a steady supply of nucs. Mike In article <3AC259EA.DC89211B@raytheon.com>, Larry Farris wrote: > http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/multidb.cgi > > George Styer wrote: > > > For what purpose does the USDA want the nucs? > > Go to the above link and click on "Beehive Rentals" > you can read all about it there. > Article 29076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Anyone know what this is? Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 01:08:14 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9a90h4$dft$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.17.e9 X-Server-Date: 2 Apr 2001 04:51:48 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29076 Hello All From a first year beekeeper. I have found a few (2 or 3) tan coloured chrysalis in front of the hive, they are about 1/2" long. Anyone know what they might be? Having put a second brood chamber on the hive, I am feeding to stimulate brood production. They keep building comb between the frames in the top and bottom chambers, it is a brown or tan coloured comb. Should I continue removing it when I check the hive. Thank you David Article 29077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Apr 2001 05:36:04 GMT References: <20010319092650.24780.00000809@nso-bh.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: RE NEW QUEENS Message-ID: <20010402013604.20275.00003495@ng-mq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29077 Thanks for your creative ideas. Luckily, the bee supplier, upon hearing my tale of woe, said he would hold the queens (how, I don't know) until this coming Wednesday--I just got back (Carribean) last night. In fact, things are still "moving" (cruise). Thnx again. Buzzylee Article 29078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Apr 2001 12:03:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Honey Reloaction? Message-ID: <20010402080336.26272.00000954@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29078 HI Ya'll I have a simple question. The honey combs above brood chamber are build across way and I'm going to move them down the bottom of the brood chamber and place a new super above brood chamber with new foundation. Question is ... Will the bees use old honey from lower super and building new combs as above new super in order to move their honey above new super? or They would have to build it from new honey flow ? Thanks. Tim Article 29079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bee Charmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives not building up! Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 07:20:50 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3ac70d1a.140791628@news1.radix.net> <3ac76692.163698039@news1.radix.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 5 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29079 Ok! Just a little slow in the morning. chris Article 29080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!64.152.100.70!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Increasing hive numbers Message-ID: <3ac8747b.226091718@west.usenetserver.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 09:10:19 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:59:26 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29080 You've been pretty missinformed here The Conservation Reserve Program doesn't have a minimum acre size of a section .. many small farms have CRP land .. there is a premium to preserve land immediately adjacent to creeks, waterways etc. Although this pays the taxes on the land it no way replaces the income you could get by farming the land, its just a myth that people are getting "rich" by putting parts of their farm into the CRP. Only acreas that have been actively farmed for the past 3 years are elligible, you can't put a "pasture" in. I have 160 acreas and 90 of it went into the CRP for 10 years. It took the first 4 years CRP payments to conture and 2 more years payments just to pay for seeding it to native grasses and wildflowers. Article 29081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Full Dutch beekeeping software Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:09:48 +0200 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9aa49l$s9g$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip31.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 986223733 28976 195.215.97.31 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29081 I want to thank Busybee for helping me getting my software in full Dutch interface and full Dutch help. get it from my web. Updated 2 april 2001 -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 29082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Apr 2001 18:45:22 GMT References: <3AC65078.49D4965E@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: swarm lures Message-ID: <20010402144522.08281.00001699@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29082 I thumbtacked them to a tree where the swarms have collected on a few occasions. I never had any luck with them in boxes though. Article 29083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "jennifer monahan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new to this need advise... Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:38:55 +0100 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9aakfa$maf$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-834.banzai.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 986240298 22863 62.25.231.66 (2 Apr 2001 19:38:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2001 19:38:18 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29083 Sometime in the next year or so I want to begin keeping bee's. However I'm a lazy person who is not particularly interested in maximising honey production for profit. With these facts in mind I attended a short bee keeping course last summer and the course leader mentioned a hive called the french long box. Can any one help me with more information about these. The impression I got was that these are much larger than the usual UK style of hive (excuse my lack of jargon, this is all new to me still) and longer. Therefore (the theory says) swarming is much less of a problem and you don't have to keep so much of a close eye on the hive. Is this true? So if anyone can help me out on this point I'd be much obliged. Ta ta Jenn Article 29084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.130!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Apr 2001 21:23:20 GMT References: <20010402144522.08281.00001699@ng-co1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: swarm lures Message-ID: <20010402172320.08909.00001789@ng-mo1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29084 Maybe the Queen is still in present ( hang inside the cluster) . Don't quote me this. It just my guess. Article 29085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Reloaction? Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:45:01 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3ac8f2af.265103783@news1.radix.net> References: <20010402080336.26272.00000954@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29085 On 02 Apr 2001 12:03:36 GMT, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: >HI Ya'll > I have a simple question. The honey combs above brood chamber are build across >way and I'm going to move them down the bottom of the brood chamber and place a >new super above brood chamber with new foundation. Question is ... >Will the bees use old honey from lower super and building new combs as above >new super in order to move their honey above new super? or They would have to >build it from new honey flow ? Thanks. > Tim Check back to my answer in "reversed box" that you posted 3/26 beekeep Article 29086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 Apr 2001 02:02:28 GMT References: <3ac8f2af.265103783@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Honey Reloaction? Message-ID: <20010402220228.06320.00002381@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29086 Ok sure will. Thanks Article 29087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 Apr 2001 02:16:16 GMT References: <3ac8f2af.265103783@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Honey Reloaction? Message-ID: <20010402221616.06320.00002384@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29087 >> Tim >Check back to my answer in "reversed box" that you posted 3/26 > Sorry I done lost it. I when ahead move the super down today. I found the queen which she look good but might have to kill her because she has not laying an eggs. There were 5 brood Rack is full of fresh pollen and honey and ready for her laying. Yeah the brood combs are clean and alots of drone is coming out today. This is in Va. I'm going to give her two more week to live but, we have alot of crap rain this whole week which might slow her down? Article 29088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news1-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Misguided? From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:13:08 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.247.235 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news1-hme0 986302855 212.137.247.235 (Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:00:55 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:00:55 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29088 I have been monitoring the newsgroup for a while (3 months now). I spent one season helping an elderly (now deceased) gentleman tend his hives. I've read about bees on and off since the age of 11. I finally have a spot of land to keep hives on (wife won't have then in the back garden). And I intend to join my local beekeeping organisation. Would I be misguided in just obtaining some hives with bees and taking a try it and see approach? Article 29089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No place to lay eggs! Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:02:15 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29089 Please bear with me while I try to explain my problem... I had two hives. One died for some reason...it had two brood boxes. The top brood box had all ten frames filled with honey but the bees never moved up to it this winter. They stayed in the bottom and starved. I decided to requeen the remaining hive because the queen was two years old. When my new queen arrived, I opened the hive to find the old queen and that's when I found out that this hive was queenless. (I'm new to all of this so I had an experianced beekeeper helping me.) The bees accepted the queen right away and so after 3 days I turned her loose. Now for the problem.... Since hive number one died, the bees from hive number 2 have been robbing the honey. The frames in the broodbox have been filled with honey since there was no queen in it to lay eggs. Now the new queen is having a hard time trying to find an empty cell to lay eggs. I had added another super on top of the brood box and the bees are filling it with honey also! Next I put on a queen excluder on top of the second super and added another super and the bees are filling it up also! What can I do to give the queen more room to lay eggs? Should I remove the honey filled frames in the brood box and put in empty frames? Article 29090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!nntp.msen.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.starband.net!twister1.starband.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Lowell Hutchison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: postings Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:06:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.75.67.98 X-Complaints-To: abuse@starband.net X-Trace: twister1.starband.net 986310417 148.75.67.98 (Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:06:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:06:57 EDT Organization: Starband Communications Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29090 all I can see are postings within the last few days. how can I get to see them all for the last month or so? -- Article 29091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Reloaction? Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:07:31 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3ac9addc.313021160@news1.radix.net> References: <3ac8f2af.265103783@news1.radix.net> <20010402221616.06320.00002384@ng-ff1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p19.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29091 On 03 Apr 2001 02:16:16 GMT, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: >>> Tim >>Check back to my answer in "reversed box" that you posted 3/26 >> > >Sorry I done lost it. I when ahead move the super down today. I found the queen >which she look good but might have to kill her because she has not laying an >eggs. There were 5 brood Rack is full of fresh pollen and honey and ready for >her laying. Yeah the brood combs are clean and alots of drone is coming out >today. >This is in Va. >I'm going to give her two more week to live but, we have alot of crap rain this >whole week which might slow her down? Give her time. If she is new it take her a little while to learn what to do. I have seen new queens that seemed absolutely worthless become the best I have ever seen. Take the cross comb super off. Add a good super to the hive and put the inner cover on. Then put the cross combed super on, another inner cover and then the top. Check it in a couple of days and see if they haven't cleaned it out and moved the honey down. beekeep Article 29092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where did our troll go? Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:09:25 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3ac9af17.313335875@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p19.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29092 One good FU from a fellow poster and he was never heard from again. Thanks! beekeep Article 29093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 Apr 2001 20:03:33 GMT References: <3ac9addc.313021160@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Honey Reloaction? Message-ID: <20010403160333.27504.00002247@ng-mj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29093 Yeah I recalled it now. I just done already move the cross combs down the bottom other day and put new super above brood chamber. I will see what happen in couple week if the sun come out. That way by two week up if the queen don't start laying I'm going to stump her thru mud! Maybe will have to spray her a 5th Ave. so she can pick up drone's. Article 29094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No place to lay eggs! Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:24:45 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3ACA318C.2DBD5C6F@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 32 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29094 Howdy Mr D -- If there is still honey left in the dead-out hive, you could seal it up and ration the bees doing the robbing until you get control. Removing honey in the brood box and replacing with drawn comb is a logical way to go. If you have a box of drawn comb (either deep or shallow) you could put the whole box just above the honey-flled brood box. Pete "Mr. Dixon" wrote: > Please bear with me while I try to explain my problem... > I had two hives. One died for some reason...it had two brood boxes. The > top brood box had all ten frames filled with honey but the bees never moved > up to it this winter. They stayed in the bottom and starved. > I decided to requeen the remaining hive because the queen was two years old. > When my new queen arrived, I opened the hive to find the old queen and > that's when I found out that this hive was queenless. (I'm new to all of > this so I had an experianced beekeeper helping me.) The bees accepted the > queen right away and so after 3 days I turned her loose. Now for the > problem.... > Since hive number one died, the bees from hive number 2 have been robbing > the honey. The frames in the broodbox have been filled with honey since > there was no queen in it to lay eggs. Now the new queen is having a hard > time trying to find an empty cell to lay eggs. I had added another super on > top of the brood box and the bees are filling it with honey also! Next I put > on a queen excluder on top of the second super and added another super and > the bees are filling it up also! What can I do to give the queen more room > to lay eggs? Should I remove the honey filled frames in the brood box and > put in empty frames? Article 29095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Misguided? Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:29:08 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3ACA3293.8C000171@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29095 Howdy Mac -- By all means go for it - with a couple of hives while you read and study and talk to fellow beekeepers. If you can not keep them in your yard, check with members of the beekeepers group. Someone will have space to let you use on their property. You can expect to get hooked on bees and want to learn more. This will lead to many happy rewarding years with the bees. Very, Very fascinating little critters. Pete ******************************************** macprofessor@ic24.net wrote: > I have been monitoring the newsgroup for a while (3 months now). > I spent one season helping an elderly (now deceased) gentleman tend his > hives. > I've read about bees on and off since the age of 11. > I finally have a spot of land to keep hives on (wife won't have then in the > back garden). > And I intend to join my local beekeeping organisation. > Would I be misguided in just obtaining some hives with bees and taking a try > it and see approach? Article 29096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No place to lay eggs! Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:13:29 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3ACA318C.2DBD5C6F@arkansas.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 53 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29096 I don't have any boxes of drawn comb..just new frames that haven't been used yet. Should I put a box full of these new frames above the brood box or remove the honey filled brood box and replace it with the new frames? "H. Rogers" wrote in message news:3ACA318C.2DBD5C6F@arkansas.net... > Howdy Mr D -- > > If there is still honey left in the dead-out hive, you could seal it up and > ration the bees doing the robbing until you get control. Removing honey in the > brood box and replacing with drawn comb is a logical way to go. If you have a > box of drawn comb (either deep or shallow) > you could put the whole box just above the honey-flled brood box. > > Pete > > "Mr. Dixon" wrote: > > > Please bear with me while I try to explain my problem... > > I had two hives. One died for some reason...it had two brood boxes. The > > top brood box had all ten frames filled with honey but the bees never moved > > up to it this winter. They stayed in the bottom and starved. > > I decided to requeen the remaining hive because the queen was two years old. > > When my new queen arrived, I opened the hive to find the old queen and > > that's when I found out that this hive was queenless. (I'm new to all of > > this so I had an experianced beekeeper helping me.) The bees accepted the > > queen right away and so after 3 days I turned her loose. Now for the > > problem.... > > Since hive number one died, the bees from hive number 2 have been robbing > > the honey. The frames in the broodbox have been filled with honey since > > there was no queen in it to lay eggs. Now the new queen is having a hard > > time trying to find an empty cell to lay eggs. I had added another super on > > top of the brood box and the bees are filling it with honey also! Next I put > > on a queen excluder on top of the second super and added another super and > > the bees are filling it up also! What can I do to give the queen more room > > to lay eggs? Should I remove the honey filled frames in the brood box and > > put in empty frames? > Article 29097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: postings Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:54:46 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3aca4682.352098648@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29097 On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:06:57 GMT, "Lowell Hutchison" wrote: >all I can see are postings within the last few days. how can I get to see >them all for the last month or so? > I use Free Agent and can see back to 3/5. beekeep Article 29098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No place to lay eggs! Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:53:30 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3aca45c4.351908488@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29098 On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:02:15 -0400, "Mr. Dixon" wrote: >Please bear with me while I try to explain my problem... >I had two hives. One died for some reason...it had two brood boxes. The >top brood box had all ten frames filled with honey but the bees never moved >up to it this winter. They stayed in the bottom and starved. >I decided to requeen the remaining hive because the queen was two years old. >When my new queen arrived, I opened the hive to find the old queen and >that's when I found out that this hive was queenless. (I'm new to all of >this so I had an experianced beekeeper helping me.) The bees accepted the >queen right away and so after 3 days I turned her loose. Now for the >problem.... >Since hive number one died, the bees from hive number 2 have been robbing >the honey. The frames in the broodbox have been filled with honey since >there was no queen in it to lay eggs. Now the new queen is having a hard >time trying to find an empty cell to lay eggs. I had added another super on >top of the brood box and the bees are filling it with honey also! Next I put >on a queen excluder on top of the second super and added another super and >the bees are filling it up also! What can I do to give the queen more room >to lay eggs? Should I remove the honey filled frames in the brood box and >put in empty frames? > Pile the brood boxes from hive number 1 on hive number two. In six weeks you should be able to spilt them back to two hives again. beekeep Article 29099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Apr 2001 01:48:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Calamity Beefalls a Feral Honeybee Colony Message-ID: <20010403214825.08253.00002062@ng-mn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29099 Pictoral: http://pollinator.com/feral/calamity.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ACAAC24.D2C3F11B@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: postings References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 22:07:48 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.44 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 986353332 208.235.28.44 (Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:02:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:02:12 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29100 Lowell Hutchison wrote: > > all I can see are postings within the last few days. how can I get to see > them all for the last month or so? The settings in your mail/news viewer can affect which posts are downloaded. Not knowing what software you are using, eg. Netscape vs Microsoft vs other brand, it is hard to give specific advice. However, you can use deja news to view the last 2500 or so posts to this group. Go the the address below, then type in sci.agriculture.beekeeping in search field. http://groups.google.com/googlegroups/deja_announcement.html AL Article 29101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!newsfeed.intelenet.net!news.quik.com!not-for-mail From: "jerry houle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Misguided? Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.213.154.223 X-Complaints-To: abuse@quik.com X-Trace: newsfeed.intelenet.net 986364728 209.213.154.223 (Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:12:08 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:12:08 PDT Organization: Quik Internet -- http://www.quik.com/ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 06:12:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29101 > And I intend to join my local beekeeping organisation. > Would I be misguided in just obtaining some hives with bees and taking a try > it and see approach? The trick is to find someone not interested in tending bees him/herself, but who has suitable acreage not too distant from you who would welcome the attempt to maintain colonies on their land. You'd be exchanging pollinative advantages (plus liberal honey donations) for venue. You'd be looking for a landowner who has suitable forage areas nearby, minimum livestock and pedestrian travel in an area of a few hundred square feet, reasonably level, near some water, somewhat protected from high winds and occasional rain flooding. The property owner would have to agree to consult with you on use of pesticides, of course. I had such a problem not long ago. All kinds of effort to find such a situation proved fruitless until in desperation I posted on a local "forsale" type of newsgroup, citing my needed conditions. In a few days got almost a dozen responses. I met with four and decided on one and its been going great ever since. It is also a good idea to search for a website of your state agricultural department where a link may lead you to a page where monthly classified ads are posted by the farming community. These are often grouped by categories like flowers, seeds, plants, equipment, labor, farm real estate, and often include beekeeper ads broken into for sale or wanted. Your message posted there may well be read by a bee supplier/dealer who knows of someone looking for someone like you. Article 29102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Andrew Kidd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Organic Standards Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:16:23 +0100 Lines: 162 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: async72-9.nas.onetel.net.uk Message-ID: <3acb1ed3@news-uk.onetel.net.uk> X-Trace: 4 Apr 2001 14:17:07 GMT, async72-9.nas.onetel.net.uk Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!grolier!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!ams-newsfeed.speedport.net!ldn-newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.speedport.net!news-uk.onetel.net.uk!async72-9.nas.onetel.net.uk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29102 Is it possible that someone could explain to me about the legal and political landscape surrounding the issues below. I find it very interesting, but as a European am a bit confused about the various groups and organizations (USDA I know) etc. For example, what is the status of a Final Rule? How is that different from the OFPA? Who is behind the OFPA and what is its legal status? Certainly the issues are not peculiar to the US! Thanks. Andrew Kidd. "Teri Bachus" wrote in message news:tbfd55ec45nddf@corp.supernews.com... > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Harvey > To: campaign@organicconsumers.org > Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:41:44 -0500 (EST) > > Final Rule Impact > > > > by Arthur Harvey (with help from Chris Kidwell and > > Nick Maravell) > > > > Unless basic changes are made, USDA's Final > Rule, > > issued December 21, will fundamentally transform > > organic farming, inspecting and standards. > > > > Some changes may be for the better. Under > section > > 205.501(a)(11)(i,ii & iii) certified farmers may > not > > serve on their own certifier's board of directors. > > But the Rule does not define "conflict of interest". > > So the definition in OFPA 6515(h) will probably be > > decisive in the long run, which should not prove > > disruptive to non-profit certifiers. > > > > More ominous is .501(a)(11)(iv) which prevents > > certifiers (and inspectors) from "giving advice" to > > farmers. Because this goes beyond the OFPA section > > mentioned above, we may hope it will not survive a > > legal challenge. > > > > Two organic funadamentals have been removed > > entirely from the USDA Rule. First, the > environmental > > ethic. USDA considers that the EPA is sufficient to > > handle all such concerns. Second, transparency. > > Although OFPA 6506(a)(9) requires "public access to > > certification documents", the Rule is silent about > it. > > > > So much for the wholistic idea. > > > > The Rule is not user-friendly for farmers and > > inspectors. It lacks clear guidelines and specific > > lists of allowed materials, such as the OMRI list. > > The compost requirement at 205.2 will be impractical > > for many small farmers. The compost standard will > > apply only to organic farmers, not conventional, and > > it is intended as an extra safety measure. At the > > same time, we are not allowed to claim that organic > > food is safer or of higher quality. > > > > Absent is any limit on intentional rotation in > and > > out of organic status. See Preamble, page 78. Most > > certifiers now ban the practice, but they will be > > obliged to permit it in 2002. > > > > Labeling and organic content of preocessed foods > > are problematic. .304(b) requires certifiers to put > > their names on products with only 70% organic > > ingredients, in violation of OFPA 6510(a)(4). It > also > > means a lowering of standards for any certifier that > > does not now certify such products. At the same > time, > > the USDA seal will appear only on 95% and 100% > organic > > products. This will create the impression that the > > USDA has higher standards than the private > certifiers. > > In reality, USDA is forcing a lowering of > standards > > while disguising the fact with labeling > > sleight-of-hand. > > > > The National List at .600(b) and .605(b) allows > > synthetics to be added in processing, contrary to > OFPA > > 6510(a)(1) and 6517(c)(1)(B)(iii). Also, .606 fails > > to list specific exemptions as required in OFPA > > 6517(c)(2)(B). This failure defeats the purpose of > > the Sunset Provision at 6517(e). These distortions > of > > the clear language of OFPA are the most likely ones > to > > be struck down by a federal court. > > > > .101(b)(2) excludes restaurants, delis and > > bakeries from certification. OFPA 6502(9) excludes > > only "final retailers of agricultural products that > do > > not process agricultural products." Another > apparent > > violation. > > > > .501(b) is where the Final Rule become the Final > > Solution for private certifiers. USDA will deny > them > > the ability to improve standards. Until now, organic > > standards have evolved from a consumer-farmer > > dialogue. In the future, standards will rise or > fall > > primarily from a dialogue between USDA and corporate > > lobbyists. Of course, they will be constrained by > > public opinion, whose effectiveness is hard to > > predict. The NOSB will probably slow any further > > corruption of the National List, but that will not > > save the constitutent-based certifiers who have lost > > two of their essential functions---helping farmers > and > > improving standards. > > > > USDA says that a uniform standard is needed to > > fulfill OFPA 6501(2), "to assure consumers that > > organically produced products meet a consistent > > standard". Also, that consumers will be confused if > > the current variety of standards in the marketplace > is > > allowed to continue. > > > > The European Union, with an organic market twice > > the size of ours, allows each of 15 nations to meet > > the minimum standard as it wishes. As to consumer > > confusion, at least five federal agencies have > minimum > > standards: the Coast Guard (boat construction and > > life preservers), FDA (recipe-based processed food > > labeling), FTC (food advertising), Interstate Milk > > Shipment program of USDA, and Consumer Product > Safety > > Commission. When I interviewed compliance officers > of > > these agencies, none could recall more than one case > > related to a claim that a product exceeded federal > > standards. The CPSC actually encourages > manufacturers > > to exceed the standards and to test their own > > products, which they may promote on the basis of > test > > results. So where is the consumer confusion USDA is > > worried about? > > > > > > Article 29103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Calamity Beefalls a Feral Honeybee Colony Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:13:08 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010403214825.08253.00002062@ng-mn1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29103 excellent documentation, thanks...one possible method of maintaining the motherline genome at least would be to find viable eggs and transplant them with or without (i.e., grafting) comb to a queenless nuc...takes advantage of the fact that eggs are hardier than brood, generally surviving for 3 days or so under otherwise adverse conditions before hatching...likewise, the nuc may be placed near feral hive to encourage remnants to it and even left there for virgin queen matings with whatever drone population in the area may have contributed to its original genetics, including its own. Dave Green <> wrote in message news:20010403214825.08253.00002062@ng-mn1.aol.com... > > Pictoral: http://pollinator.com/feral/calamity.htm Article 29104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ACB723A.9E7DD72F@raytheon.com> From: Larry Farris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD {RSC} (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone know what this is? References: <9a90h4$dft$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:12:58 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.25.198.43 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 986411615 147.25.198.43 (Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:13:35 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:13:35 CDT Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29104 David wrote: > I have found a few (2 or 3) tan coloured chrysalis in front of the hive, > they are about 1/2" long. Anyone know what they might be? My "Webster's" defines chrysalis as: the pupa or cocoon of a butterfly (...or in this case, probably wax moths). By "in front of the hive", I presume you mean on the ground, in front of the entrance. I'd say the bees have pulled these out of the hive during their cleaning process and discarded them there. You'll also likely see some little white or gray "mummies" from chilled bee brood (or chalkbrood) and other "trash" from the hive. > They keep building comb between the frames in the top and > bottom chambers, it is a brown or tan coloured comb. Should I continue > removing it when I check the hive. As you wish. I usually scrape it off once a year, during my "Spring Cleaning" of the hives. Here's a hint: if this burr comb (between supers) causes you some difficulties by sticking the boxes or frames together, then before you lift the supers up, rotate them a little (about a 30 or 45 degree twist should do the trick). This breaks the comb bond and the boxes separate more easily. Article 29105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.81!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new to this need advise... Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:46:56 -0500 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <9aakfa$maf$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.81 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 986424412 5390765 216.167.143.81 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29105 Jenn said: >I'm a lazy person who is not particularly interested in maximising honey >production for profit. Well first off just let me say I love you and would you like to ..wait, I've already done that. OK..forget the bollocks. Never mind that business about the french long box..sounds fishy to me..just stick with the modified national and standard frames. Get some experience. Some bees swarm more than others. Just find out where the local beekeepers hang in your area, (they're pretty boring, like farmers) and ask a few questions, and visit a local hive or two. Don't forget before going forth to see your hives, you must do the secret chant: EX HOC FORTE DULCIS VENIS (repeat several times) C.K. Article 29106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.183!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Organic Standards Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:44:41 -0500 Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <3acb1ed3@news-uk.onetel.net.uk> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.183 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 986435083 5324839 216.167.138.183 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29106 >what is the status of a >Final Rule? a good text explanation is at: >http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.ams.usda.gov/nop/nop2000/Final%2520Rule/nopfinal.pdf++USDA%27s+Final&hl=en< warning! it's a text file and quite large. There is also a .pif file version, if you have the Acrobat reader. >How is that different from the OFPA? Who is behind the OFPA and >what is its legal status? Organic Foods Production Act read this: >http://www.ibiblio.org/london/agriculture/forums/organic-agriculture/msg00050.html< I don't know if you know this but there'a a search engine at www.google.com that's a real marvel. I put in your query and got the above URL's. With information available on stuff like this I really wonder why people ask a newsgroup at all; of course you might be directed to a letter published on this newsgroup from the above search engine, so it's like a big circle. C.K. Article 29107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone know what this is? Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:24:28 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 29 Message-ID: <9agngp$usc$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net> References: <9a90h4$dft$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> <3ACB723A.9E7DD72F@raytheon.com> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.19.bc X-Server-Date: 5 Apr 2001 03:07:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29107 Thank you for your help. I kept one in a jar, it hatched this evening. It is a small dark gray moth. Is this a wax moth? > My "Webster's" defines chrysalis as: the pupa or cocoon > of a butterfly (...or in this case, probably wax moths). > By "in front of the hive", I presume you mean on the ground, > in front of the entrance. I'd say the bees have pulled these > out of the hive during their cleaning process and discarded > them there. You'll also likely see some little white or gray > "mummies" from chilled bee brood (or chalkbrood) and other > "trash" from the hive. I noticed that the space between the frames in the top and bottom supers is about 1\2" to 5\8" should I try to reduce this or just clean it up once a year? There was some eggs in the comb. > As you wish. > I usually scrape it off once a year, during my "Spring Cleaning" > of the hives. Here's a hint: if this burr comb (between supers) > causes you some difficulties by sticking the boxes or frames > together, then before you lift the supers up, rotate them a little > (about a 30 or 45 degree twist should do the trick). This breaks > the comb bond and the boxes separate more easily. Article 29108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new to this need advise... Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 10:30:03 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3acc48ce.483760498@news1.radix.net> References: <9aakfa$maf$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29108 On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:46:56 -0500, Charlie Kroeger wrote: > >Don't forget before going forth to see your hives, you must >do the secret chant: > >EX HOC FORTE DULCIS VENIS (repeat several times) > >C.K. Damn it Charlie, what are you going to do next, give away our secret handshake? beekeep Article 29109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!64.152.100.70!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone know what this is? Message-ID: <3acc6eec.486812765@west.usenetserver.com> References: <9a90h4$dft$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> <3ACB723A.9E7DD72F@raytheon.com> <9agngp$usc$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:09:40 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:11:10 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29109 On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:24:28 -0400, "David" wrote: >Thank you for your help. >I kept one in a jar, it hatched this evening. It is a small dark gray moth. >Is this a wax moth? > >> My "Webster's" defines chrysalis as: the pupa or cocoon >> of a butterfly (...or in this case, probably wax moths). >> By "in front of the hive", I presume you mean on the ground, >> in front of the entrance. I'd say the bees have pulled these >> out of the hive during their cleaning process and discarded >> them there. You'll also likely see some little white or gray >> "mummies" from chilled bee brood (or chalkbrood) and other >> "trash" from the hive. > >I noticed that the space between the frames in the top and bottom supers is >about 1\2" to 5\8" should I try to reduce this or just clean it up once a >year? >There was some eggs in the comb. > > >> As you wish. >> I usually scrape it off once a year, during my "Spring Cleaning" >> of the hives. Here's a hint: if this burr comb (between supers) >> causes you some difficulties by sticking the boxes or frames >> together, then before you lift the supers up, rotate them a little >> (about a 30 or 45 degree twist should do the trick). This breaks >> the comb bond and the boxes separate more easily. > > > Article 29110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone know what this is? Message-ID: <3acc6ef6.486822906@west.usenetserver.com> References: <9a90h4$dft$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> <3ACB723A.9E7DD72F@raytheon.com> <9agngp$usc$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:10:35 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:12:05 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29110 You can compare to www.libertybee.com/waxmoth.htm Dave On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:24:28 -0400, "David" wrote: >Thank you for your help. >I kept one in a jar, it hatched this evening. It is a small dark gray moth. >Is this a wax moth? > Article 29111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Organic Standards Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:04:40 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29111 for some more background and links see m.t.sanford's (florida) apis newsletter at http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis_2000/apapr_2000.htm#6 and/or browse the topical index at http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/threads.htm ...likewise see the discussion on california organic farming in e.mussen's (ucdavis) apiculture news at http://entomology.ucdavis.edu/faculty/Mussen/9-10-00.pdf or alternatively access via http://entomology.ucdavis.edu/faculty/mussen/news.html for another detailed analysis... Article 29112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.hawaii.edu!not-for-mail From: Maren Purves Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: postings Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 11:15:49 -1000 Organization: Joint Astronomy Centre, Hilo, HI Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3ACCE085.3E@jach.hawaii.edu> References: <3aca4682.352098648@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lilikoi.jach.hawaii.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.hawaii.edu 986505350 19966 128.171.90.227 (5 Apr 2001 21:15:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@hawaii.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2001 21:15:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29112 beekeep wrote: > > On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:06:57 GMT, "Lowell Hutchison" > wrote: > > >all I can see are postings within the last few days. how can I get to see > >them all for the last month or so? > > > I use Free Agent and can see back to 3/5. this doesn't only depend on which software you use to read it, but also where you get it from. My news server gets rid of news messages in most newsgroups after 3 days. If I want older ones I have to go to Deja.com Maren Article 29113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Apr 2001 00:26:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Plastic Excluder Message-ID: <20010405202640.20181.00000514@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29113 The Queen done lay some of the egg up in the super, After she move on down and I put Plastic Excluder ( it was free) on the brood chamber to prevent her coming back up later. The drone has hatch and was dying above the excluder because he can't go thur the hole. Finally I remove it. Is those plastic are junk or the hole are actual wrong size? Article 29114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Excluder Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:12:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3acd17b3.536725693@news1.radix.net> References: <20010405202640.20181.00000514@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p29.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29114 On 06 Apr 2001 00:26:40 GMT, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: > The Queen done lay some of the egg up in the super, After she move on down >and I put Plastic Excluder ( it was free) on the brood chamber to prevent her >coming back up later. The drone has hatch and was dying above the excluder >because he can't go thur the hole. Finally I remove it. Is those plastic are >junk or the hole are actual wrong size? Drones can't pass through any queen excluder. An upper entrance will let them out. beekeep Article 29115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: cryanolson@aol.com (CRyanOlson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Apr 2001 02:40:08 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Brood question Message-ID: <20010405224008.01375.00001833@ng-de1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29115 I would suggest locating the queen on the next warm day and searching closely the for eggs on the frame where she's located. My understanding is that the queen will lay at least some eggs at all times during the year. During cold weather, egg-laying should be where the bulk of the cluster is. There should be some pollen coming in now, especially if there are any pussy willow trees around and egg-laying should be happening. If the queen is missing or not laying, all that's needed is to replace with a new queen. Replacement can be a little more difficult once the queen has been missing for a while. Article 29116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Apr 2001 03:53:44 GMT References: <3acd17b3.536725693@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Plastic Excluder Message-ID: <20010405235344.17907.00000999@ng-mj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29116 oh ok. Weather suppose be real nice the Sat. high as 80. I'm going out there to clean it up more and check on the lazy Queen. Article 29117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Apr 2001 05:20:40 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Smokey flavoured Honey? Message-ID: <20010406012040.14329.00000687@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29117 I recently received some honey from the beekeepers from Chiapas (Mexico)--it was very smoky in taste and I assumed they used wood to warm the honey in order to extract it. Buzzylee Article 29118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "m12345" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Excluder Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:40:39 +1200 Organization: ihug ( New Zealand ) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9ajl1q$nn9$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> References: <20010405202640.20181.00000514@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p665-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 986535803 24297 203.173.194.157 (6 Apr 2001 05:43:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 05:43:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29118 Blue Taz37 wrote in message news:20010405202640.20181.00000514@ng-fy1.aol.com... > The drone has hatch and was dying above the excluder > because he can't go thur the hole. Finally I remove it. Is those plastic are > junk or the hole are actual wrong size? that is why it is best to use an excluder with wooden surround. i use a rasp to make a semi circular drone escape, which is always on the upside at the back when i place it over the brood chambers. makes a handy little extra entrance for the foragers during the flow too. cheers, mark Article 29119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Misguided? Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:57:36 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 986551831 nnrp-12:26067 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29119 In article , macprofessor@ic24.net writes >I have been monitoring the newsgroup for a while (3 months now). >I spent one season helping an elderly (now deceased) gentleman tend his >hives. >I've read about bees on and off since the age of 11. >I finally have a spot of land to keep hives on (wife won't have then in the >back garden). >And I intend to join my local beekeeping organisation. >Would I be misguided in just obtaining some hives with bees and taking a try >it and see approach? You have to start somewhere - I did just that - and called out the beekeeper who sold me 3 colonies when they started swarming. And another a few weeks later!!! Joining the association *now* is a good idea - you'll get to meetings in apiaries which will be starting very soon. As to buying colonies - do take advice. There is a move in the UK (which I suspect is where you are) to get colonies sold certified as disease free first. Ask the vendor to get the seasonal bee officer to inspect them before sale. Go to a short course early on. It is nice if you can get involved with your vendor in creating the nuclei you'll buy, so you can see it from the very beginning. And if you can get a mentor from the local association, so much the better. -- James Kilty Article 29120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!24.0.0.38!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Early Swarm Story Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:17:35 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 50 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29120 Hello fellow beekeeps, I had an interesting evening the other day! I have had my indoor observation hive going now for about 8 months. This spring I was facinated to watch as the population exploded, queen cells were constructed and all the activities that take place in the springtime. I was greatly looking forward to watching them prepare for swarming. After the queen cells were capped, I had planned to count days and start setting up a video camera to record the actual swarm as it happened. I wanted to see all the activities leading to a swarm ... As it turns out, I did get to see all those activities, but I did not know what I was looking at. The last few days there was a pretty good beard hanging outside my window, where the hive entrance is located. I knew they would swarm soon, but I thought they would wait until a new queen was ready to take over. I was home for lunch and all seemed well, but when I came home last night the beard was gone and the hive had just enough bees to care for the remaining brood ... I knew they had swarmed, and I hoped they were still in the area so I could retrieve them. The hive had become so overcrowded, that it swarmed even before the queen cells were capped. I went outside to look for them, and sure enough (luckily), they were in the tree outside the back door. Unfortunately, they were about 20' up! I walked around and pondered the situation for 15 minutes. Finally, I borrowed the neighbor's extension ladder and set it up in the back of my truck to get almost to them, but not quite. So I rearranged a little and set a hive box, as close as I could estimate, right under the mass of bees. I went up the ladder, braced myself, and shook the branch sharply. A large number of them fell in the grass right in front of the hive, and I hoped the queen was among them. Soon they started filing in like an army on the march. Many had taken to the air, and many were going back the the branch where they had been, so I shook the branch a couple more times. I would say that within 30 minutes, the vast majority had entered the new hive box, and a few actually went back to the observation hive. Well, when it was all said and done, I'm quite certain the queen has entered the new hive as they seem to be setting up housekeeping quite nicely. I'll give them a few days and then assure the queen is present, but I'm betting all is well. As for the observation hive, I have verified that there are at least three of the queen cells that have larve in them, so it should not be queenless for more than a week and half of so. I continue to look forward to seeing this cycle as a new queen starts her reign. An observation hive is invaluable for anyone who really wants to get to know their bees, and I highly recommend them! Great fun! Thanks for reading! Charles Article 29121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!TDC-Europe.POSTED!ip110.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Misguided? Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 19:08:41 +0200 Organization: Posted through some European Outpost of TDC Internet A/S Lines: 49 Message-ID: <9akssf$9bf$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip110.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 986576591 9583 195.215.97.110 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29121 Beekeeping Project Objectives 1. To actively participate in a specialized, productive, agricultural industry. 2. Make a contribution to agricultural production by producing honey and beeswax and by pollinating crops. 3. Promote the value of pollination activities of the indispensable honey bee. 4. Learn the life history, habits, and social structure of honey bee colonies. 5. Learn the correct way to manage colonies for the production of honey. 6. Develop leadership talents, improve strength of character, and work toward effective citizenship. 7. Stimulate your desire to learn. 8. Explore career opportunities related to beekeeping. 9. Learn how to protect honey bee colonies from exposure to insecticides, infectious diseases, and other pests. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk skrev i en meddelelse news:B6EF8AF3.1FFA%macprofessor@ic24.net... > I have been monitoring the newsgroup for a while (3 months now). > I spent one season helping an elderly (now deceased) gentleman tend his > hives. > I've read about bees on and off since the age of 11. > I finally have a spot of land to keep hives on (wife won't have then in the > back garden). > And I intend to join my local beekeeping organisation. > Would I be misguided in just obtaining some hives with bees and taking a try > it and see approach? > Article 29122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!feeder.nmix.net!reader.nmix.net!oracle.zianet.com!216.234.218.39.gilanet.com From: "David Jordan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I am new to beekeeping. Please advise. Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:16:23 -0600 Organization: NMIX Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3ace175a.0@oracle.zianet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: oracle.zianet.com X-Trace: reader.nmix.net 986584505 31567 204.134.124.52 (6 Apr 2001 19:15:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@nmix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2001 19:15:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29122 Hello, I am new to beekeeping and have just built my first brood hive and ordered my bees. I ordered a 3# box w/queen from R. Weaver of his All-Americans. They ship on 4/27/01. I am going to build an adobe pad to place the brood box on probably today. I bought the starter kit from westernbee.com. I would welcome any advise from you all as the usnet news has been probably the most informative part of my internet experience since I started using it in 93 and I like to be well informed. I am starting primarily because bees interest me and there are such terrific yet short blooms here in Datil, NM of many wildflowers and I would like to do my part to help nature along. I feel that becoming a beekeeper will help me to accomplish this goal. I plan to plant a patch of white clover and red clover mix along side the patch of alfalfa I have going now. The alfalfa is for the elk. I live within a few miles of 3 national forrests, the Cibola, the Apache and the Gila Wilderness. We have a fairly short growing season and are 7400 feet or so in the air. The most common wild plants are Buckbrush, Rabbitbrush, Blue Gramma Grass, Pinon Pine, and Juniper, along with a host of wildflowers like Hollyhock and Evening Primrose. The local bees seem to be mostly like sweat bees and some bumble bees. Not many of the honeybees here but the ones I have seen are of a brighter color than the ones I have seen pictures of on the net. Are my bees going to have any negative impact on the local bee population? I plan to make sure that my bees dont get an infestation of varroa mites. I dont relish the idea of using apistan strips and wish to learn more about using any organic method to control this potential problem before it happens. Also how do I register my hive? I am going to call the NM Dept. of Agriculture after this I write this message and ask. Is there any studies I can get my bees involved in to help further expand the information available to us? Thank You, David Jordan Article 29123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: postings Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:26:45 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <6d9sctkn81rge5s5po0eva6dm0mdc9tgo3@4ax.com> References: <3aca4682.352098648@news1.radix.net> <3ACCE085.3E@jach.hawaii.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29123 On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 11:15:49 -1000, Maren Purves wrote: I think what you are really after are the archives. I believe these are located at dejanews but I know if you do a search using 'sci.agriculture.beekeeping' you go straight to it. I note somebody else here uses Free Agent. I have just upgraded to Agent at little cost, brilliant for handling newsgroups. Cannot get the hang of using Outlook or Outlook Express. Article 29124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I am new to beekeeping. Please advise. Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:33:54 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3ace175a.0@oracle.zianet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29124 On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:16:23 -0600, "David Jordan" wrote: Pardon my ignorance but what is an adobe pad? >They ship on 4/27/01. I am going to build an adobe pad to place the brood >box on probably today. Article 29125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!Dakidd From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I am new to beekeeping. Please advise. Supersedes: <9alb92$db2$1@news.chatlink.com> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:13:33 -0700 Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited Lines: 19 Sender: newservice@17-030.018.popsite.net Message-ID: <9albhm$ejd$1@news.chatlink.com> References: <3ace175a.0@oracle.zianet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 17-030.018.popsite.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 986591606 14957 64.24.32.30 (6 Apr 2001 21:13:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2001 21:13:26 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29125 In article , Steven Newport wrote: > On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:16:23 -0600, "David Jordan" > wrote: > > Pardon my ignorance but what is an adobe pad? > > >They ship on 4/27/01. I am going to build an adobe pad to place the brood > >box on probably today. Adobe = Mud/clay plus straw/twigs/sticks. Done properly, it's almost as good as concrete. -- Don Bruder - Dakidd@aaahawk.com <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former (dakidd@primenet.com) address is now defunct. Mail sent to that address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Have a day... Article 29126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: outman2@aol.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Apr 2001 21:40:29 GMT References: <20010405224008.01375.00001833@ng-de1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Brood question Message-ID: <20010406174029.22090.00002355@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29126 How long is awhile ??? Article 29127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I am new to beekeeping. Please advise. Message-ID: <3ace3a44.604404390@west.usenetserver.com> References: <3ace175a.0@oracle.zianet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:51:18 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:52:49 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29127 My favorite place to read is George Imirie's Pink Pages .. I've learned a lot there http://www.beekeeper.org/george_imirie/index.html also see Pollinator Page http://www.pollinator.com/ where David Green has info and links to about everything you need to know Dave Article 29128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Apr 2001 23:02:00 GMT References: <9ajl1q$nn9$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Plastic Excluder Message-ID: <20010406190200.12914.00001054@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29128 >excluder with wooden surround. Yeah I was plan on buying a real one. Good thing is was free but I can see why. a rasp >to make a semi circular drone escape, You mean use plier open up alittle in few place? Article 29129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!Dakidd From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Excluder Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 16:30:40 -0700 Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited Lines: 20 Sender: newservice@17-030.018.popsite.net Message-ID: <9aljip$lrr$1@news.chatlink.com> References: <9ajl1q$nn9$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> <20010406190200.12914.00001054@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 17-030.018.popsite.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 986599833 22395 64.24.32.30 (6 Apr 2001 23:30:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2001 23:30:33 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29129 In article <20010406190200.12914.00001054@ng-fl1.aol.com>, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: > >excluder with wooden surround. > Yeah I was plan on buying a real one. Good thing is was free but I can see > why. > > a rasp > >to make a semi circular drone escape, > You mean use plier open up alittle in few place? No, he means use a rasp and grind a hole that drones can exit through in the wood of the box. You go tweaking on your excluder, and guess who's gonna be up topside laying eggs again? -- Don Bruder - Dakidd@aaahawk.com <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former (dakidd@primenet.com) address is now defunct. Mail sent to that address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Have a day... Article 29130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.137!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: postings Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:37:24 -0500 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <16rsctcmf6ervi9ojgr3fcalu72o4fc8p0@4ax.com> References: <3aca4682.352098648@news1.radix.net> <3ACCE085.3E@jach.hawaii.edu> <6d9sctkn81rge5s5po0eva6dm0mdc9tgo3@4ax.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 986607446 5843079 216.167.138.137 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29130 >I note somebody else here uses Free Agent. I have just upgraded to >Agent at little cost, brilliant for handling newsgroups. Yes it is, I've used Agent for some years now and it's really great. It has one of the most 'intuitive spell checkers I've ever seen in any word 'processing' application. Also it's great for e-mail; can't say enough about it. Incidently if you are tired of seeing that splash screen every time it launches, I found a great 'patch' from a couple of Germans I'll call Hans and Fron's. Apply this and it will remove the splash screen. It's only 13kb. (then) all is bliss. Get the patch here: http://www.biol.rug.nl/hens/j/a32-18patcher.rar You'll need an .rar extractor to use this. I suggest WinRAR, as winzip won't do it. .rar is a better compression system than .zip, in my opinion. If you can't deal with the tech issues write me and I'll see if I can send you an executable file. C.K. Article 29131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.126.101.74!sn-xit-04!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Early Swarm Story Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:43:59 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3ACE62CE.F526ACBB@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 57 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29131 Howdy Charles -- Congratulations on your keen observation and your obvious interest in bees and beekeeping. It will bring you many happy and contented hours and days, as it has for me. Pete ******************************************* CharlesW wrote: > Hello fellow beekeeps, > > I had an interesting evening the other day! I have had my indoor > observation > hive going now for about 8 months. This spring I was facinated to watch as > the population exploded, queen cells were constructed and all the activities > that take place in the springtime. I was greatly looking forward to watching > them prepare for swarming. After the queen cells were capped, I had planned > to count days and start setting up a video camera to record the actual swarm > as it happened. I wanted to see all the activities leading to a swarm ... > As it turns out, I did get to see all those activities, but I did not know > what I was looking at. The last few days there was a pretty good beard > hanging outside my window, where the hive entrance is located. I knew they > would swarm soon, but I thought they would wait until a new queen was ready > to take over. I was home for lunch and all seemed well, but when I > came home last night the beard was gone and the hive had just enough bees to > care for the remaining brood ... I knew they had swarmed, and I hoped they > were still in the area so I could retrieve them. The hive had become so > overcrowded, that it swarmed even before the queen cells were capped. > I went outside to look for them, and sure enough (luckily), they were in > the tree outside the back door. Unfortunately, they were about 20' up! I > walked around and pondered the situation for 15 minutes. Finally, I borrowed > the neighbor's extension ladder and set it up in the back of my truck to get > almost to them, but not quite. So I rearranged a little and set a hive box, > as close as I could estimate, right under the mass of bees. I went up the > ladder, braced myself, and shook the branch sharply. A large number of them > fell in the grass right in front of the hive, and I hoped the queen was > among them. Soon they started filing in like an army on the march. Many had > taken to the air, and many were going back the the branch where they had > been, so I shook the branch a couple more times. I would say that within 30 > minutes, the vast majority had entered the new hive box, and a few actually > went back to the observation hive. > Well, when it was all said and done, I'm quite certain the queen has > entered the new hive as they seem to be setting up housekeeping quite > nicely. I'll give them a few days and then assure the queen is present, but > I'm betting all is well. > As for the observation hive, I have verified that there are at least three > of the queen cells that have larve in them, so it should not be queenless > for more than a week and half of so. I continue to look forward to seeing > this cycle as a new queen starts her reign. An observation hive is > invaluable for anyone who really wants to get to know their bees, and I > highly recommend them! > Great fun! > > Thanks for reading! > Charles Article 29132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.137!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:51:35 -0500 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <20010405224008.01375.00001833@ng-de1.aol.com> <20010406174029.22090.00002355@ng-cl1.aol.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 986608296 6008456 216.167.138.137 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29132 >How long is awhile ??? That's actually an important question. If you have a hive that has no freshly laid eggs (under 12 hours old) and no queen, in about three weeks and sometimes less, a LAYING WORKER will 'emerge' that goes through the motions of being the queen, in the sense that she satisfies the need for eggs to be laid; however, the eggs will only produce drone bees, ironic to be sure, but that's one of Nature's little jokes. C.K. Article 29133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.137!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Early Swarm Story Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:56:25 -0500 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7rssctsf2dqks2vs1jl1m6ual39askpjuc@4ax.com> References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 986608586 6008456 216.167.138.137 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29133 >Well, when it was all said and done, That was an interesting story Charles, now if you had only told us 'where' this happened. C.K. Article 29134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.137!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Early Swarm Story Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:56:54 -0500 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <2vssct8095jckm6hs0ne8ipthdbnonjqld@4ax.com> References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 986608614 5975459 216.167.138.137 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29134 >Well, when it was all said and done, That was an interesting story Charles, now if you had only told us 'where' this happened. C.K. Article 29135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "m12345" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Excluder Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:22:05 +1200 Organization: ihug ( New Zealand ) Lines: 18 Message-ID: <9ammd7$lor$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> References: <9ajl1q$nn9$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> <20010406190200.12914.00001054@ng-fl1.aol.com> <9aljip$lrr$1@news.chatlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p151-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 986635496 22299 203.173.206.151 (7 Apr 2001 09:24:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 09:24:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29135 Don Bruder bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: > > >excluder with wooden surround. > > a rasp > > >to make a semi circular drone escape, > > You mean use plier open up alittle in few place? > > No, he means use a rasp and grind a hole that drones can exit through in > the wood of the box. You go tweaking on your excluder, and guess who's > gonna be up topside laying eggs again? exactly, don. i mean a rasp. however i wld never rasp the exit into the box; i do it on the wood surround of the excluder, & make sure the exit is always on the upside of the excluder grille cheers, mark Article 29136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 09:25:04 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3acedcd4.652725123@news1.radix.net> References: <20010405224008.01375.00001833@ng-de1.aol.com> <20010406174029.22090.00002355@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29136 On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:51:35 -0500, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >>How long is awhile ??? > >That's actually an important question. If you have a hive >that has no freshly laid eggs (under 12 hours old) and no >queen, in about three weeks and sometimes less, a LAYING >WORKER will 'emerge' that goes through the motions of being >the queen, in the sense that she satisfies the need for eggs >to be laid; however, the eggs will only produce drone bees, >ironic to be sure, but that's one of Nature's little jokes. > >C.K. Only one? beekeep Article 29137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!m538p022.dipool.highway.telekom.AT!not-for-mail From: Franz Gindl Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokey flavoured Honey? Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:49:43 +0200 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3ACF4527.EAC62F7D@aon.at> References: <20010406012040.14329.00000687@ng-cg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: m538p022.dipool.highway.telekom.at (62.46.57.54) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 986662483 6342756 62.46.57.54 (16 [29344]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Highway 194 A-Online} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AU,en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29137 LKLarson1 wrote: > > I recently received some honey from the beekeepers from Chiapas (Mexico)--it > was very smoky in taste and I assumed they used wood to warm the honey in order > to extract it. > > Buzzylee Maybee the smoky taste is from the smoke-machine used against the bees. Somebody told me that angry bees are threated by a seperate person with a lot of smoke during harvesting honey. In my country (Austria, Europe) we prefer carnica bees. Most of the time you can work without any smoke. Franz Article 29138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "natkrit" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: attention Russian beekeepers Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:39:55 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29138 Внимание русских пчеловодов! Если кто-нибудь из русских пчеловодов, живущих в Екатеринбурге читает newsgroup, я бы хотел встретиться с этими людьми в Екатеринбурге, во время моего визита: в июне:.Я пчеловод - любитель, живу в США, Техас. Хотелось бы обменятся опытом, познакомится :.. Пожалуйста, кто заинтересован, пишите по адресу natkrit@cowtown.net Article 29139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-004cocsprp268.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I am new to beekeeping. Please advise. Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:58:55 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <3ace175a.0@oracle.zianet.com> <9albhm$ejd$1@news.chatlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a4.46 X-Server-Date: 8 Apr 2001 01:53:34 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29139 In article <9albhm$ejd$1@news.chatlink.com>, Don Bruder wrote: > In article , > Steven Newport wrote: > > > On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:16:23 -0600, "David Jordan" > > wrote: > > > > Pardon my ignorance but what is an adobe pad? > > > > >They ship on 4/27/01. I am going to build an adobe pad to place the brood > > >box on probably today. > > Adobe = Mud/clay plus straw/twigs/sticks. Done properly, it's almost as > good as concrete. Correction: Adobe = High tech company producing lots of great software for image manipulation (ie. Adobe Photoshop) and electronic documentation (ie. Adobe Acrobat). Ticking on the NASDQ as ADBE, closing on Friday, April 6 at 34.05. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 29140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!sea.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!Dakidd From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I am new to beekeeping. Please advise. Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 20:38:16 -0700 Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited Lines: 21 Sender: newservice@38-073.018.popsite.net Message-ID: <9aomf6$44m$2@news.chatlink.com> References: <3ace175a.0@oracle.zianet.com> <9albhm$ejd$1@news.chatlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38-073.018.popsite.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 986701094 4246 64.24.178.73 (8 Apr 2001 03:38:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2001 03:38:14 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29140 In article , NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > > Adobe = Mud/clay plus straw/twigs/sticks. Done properly, it's almost as > > good as concrete. > > Correction: > > Adobe = High tech company producing lots of great software for image > manipulation (ie. Adobe Photoshop) and electronic documentation (ie. Adobe > Acrobat). Ticking on the NASDQ as ADBE, closing on Friday, April 6 at > 34.05. PHLLLlllbbbbt! 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Article 29141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!server4.netnews.ja.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Daryl Yeates" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,england.biz.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agric Subject: Free advertising Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 10:25:48 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.105.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 986721942 62.255.105.101 (Sun, 08 Apr 2001 10:25:42 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 10:25:42 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.agriculture:6251 alt.agriculture.beef:2841 alt.agriculture.commodities:692 alt.agriculture.fruit:10761 alt.agriculture.misc:12379 alt.agriculture.technology:963 alt.sustainable.agriculture:27944 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29141 sci.agriculture.fruit:3919 Placing you advert couldn't be easier. Go to classifieds at www.webpage-creation.com Place an advert in any category. This is a free service. Article 29142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Nancy W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Early Swarm Story Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 06:34:56 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Nancy W" References: <7rssctsf2dqks2vs1jl1m6ual39askpjuc@4ax.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29142 Sorry about that ... I live in the Austin, TX area. It seems there have already been several swarm calls coming into our beekeeping association. I think the swarm season is about to take off in this area! Happy Beekeeping All, Charles "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:7rssctsf2dqks2vs1jl1m6ual39askpjuc@4ax.com... > >Well, when it was all said and done, > > That was an interesting story Charles, now if you had only > told us 'where' this happened. > > C.K. Article 29143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.il.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AD05E49.E4E91430@dfrc.wisc.edu> From: "Ragan T." Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USDA RFQ issued for hive rentals References: <3ac22c62.1115767348@news1.radix.net> <6jrw6.8931$9i1.729281@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <3AC259EA.DC89211B@raytheon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 12:49:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.10.149.92 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.il.home.com 986734140 65.10.149.92 (Sun, 08 Apr 2001 05:49:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 05:49:00 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29143 Mike Griggs wrote: > I work for USDA in Ithaca, and happen to be president of the local > beekeepers association and president of the EAS 2002 Conference to be > held here at Cornell. That Said, It bothers me that USDA is referenced > as a large amorphous organisation of individual that are so incrusted in > beurocracy as to impede every beekeepers initiative. > > We have potentials that some short term funded programs are unable to > tackle. I personally am working on developing fungal pathogens of > insects as alternatives to chemical insecticides but am working on > evaluating the potential effects of these "new" treatments on non-target > beneficials. > > OK more than you needed to know! This group who are hoping to > contract with a local beekeeper to save money as our money is quite > tight. Their mission is to maintain crop lineages in a seed gremplasm > and use the nucs to insure incrosing under screen tents to maintain the > seed crosses. This is real hard on the bees. It is something like bees > in a greenhouse only worse. I cautioned that it is going to be a tough > order to fill as the beekeeper will not make any honey and will need > additional hives to maintain a steady supply of nucs. > > > Mike > > In article <3AC259EA.DC89211B@raytheon.com>, Larry Farris > wrote: > > > http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/multidb.cgi > > > > George Styer wrote: > > > > > For what purpose does the USDA want the nucs? I work for the USDA Argricultural Research Service, Dairy Forage Research Center. (damn, thats long :-) ) We have used bumble bees to pollinate our clover when it in the tents. I wonder if that would work for these people? I believe that they work better in the small spaces. Not sure, however, where to get them. I'm in the engineering end, not the plant breeding. Michael Boettcher Article 29144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Apr 2001 14:14:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Update my hive checking. Message-ID: <20010408101421.25041.00002863@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29144 Today was a nice day to check out the hive. A week ago(4-3-01) I lower a small super with crook combs below brood chamber and add new super above brood chamber which hopful they move it on up and also the queen and their worker crawing around on the brood combs with no eggs yet. Today, they have not bothering move the honey up above it. I when ahead move it back up above it. To my surprise, The brood combs ( 5 racks) already cap. Few drone cap above it and the rest are the worker. There were 6 or 7 small black beetle on the outside were crawing above the lid. Smash them all up. There were none coming from the hive. My guess is they must have flew up there from the ground. I'm going to sprink some Seven Five dust in a spot where all the dead bees and cover it up with dirt and that way those chem. stay underground. So, will see what happen next. Tim Article 29145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone0.chicago.il.ameritech.net!spamfilter!nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Doug Lindhout" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Springtime chores Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 10:51:51 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.141.246.180 X-Trace: nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net 986741492 206.141.246.180 (Sun, 08 Apr 2001 09:51:32 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 09:51:32 CDT Organization: Ameritech.Net www.ameritech.net Complaints: abuse@ameritech.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29145 Spring is FINALLY breaking here in mid-MI and the bees are starting to fly. However, as always this time of year, there are no blossoms (the skunk cabbage is just now breaking ground), so the hives have pollen substitute, sugar syrup with Fumadil-B in division board feeders, and Terrimycin patties. This is my first spring with hives after a 10 year hiatus from the hobby, and there are a few things I just don't remember. This morning, the main question is this: When is the best time to reverse the supers on an over-wintered hive? What conditions do you look for to gauge it is time? Thanks in advance, Article 29146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Jennifer Pierce" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Washboarding, I think Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 15:41:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.232.94.20 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 986744496 205.232.94.20 (Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:41:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:41:36 EDT Organization: Northnet Internet Services (northnet.org) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29146 Greetings everyone :) Major lurker here, coming out of hiding briefly. I'm finally getting around to making own bee pages. Putting up some pics I took this past summer. One behavious my bees were doing, I *think* I correctly identified as washboarding. http://www.geocities.com/piercerb-jen/Bee/images/Image1b.jpg The bees in question came out of the hive and stayed like the above image showed for about 3 days. Their wings weren't moving, it just looked like they were sunning themselves all over the front of their hive. Many would go in during the night, but they all would be back out there during the day. Like I said, lasted about 3 days, and then they all went back in, and I never saw them doing it again the rest of the season. Any clues to if I was right in identifying this behaviour? I really was waiting for this hive to take off like the other did, but they never swarmed. Java http://www.geocities.com/piercerb-jen/Bee/ Article 29147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!cyclone3.rdc-detw.rr.com!news3.mw.mediaone.net!typhoon.mn.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Hadden" Newsgroups: alt.beer.home-brewing,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.crafts.winemaking,news.groups Subject: New group: rec.crafts.meadmaking Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 16:03:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.163.160.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.mn.mediaone.net 986745805 24.163.160.238 (Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:03:25 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:03:25 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:278 rec.food.historic:24645 rec.org.sca:317244 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29147 rec.crafts.brewing:259660 rec.crafts.winemaking:70537 news.groups:388126 This is the second notice that a new group has been created for mead makers.