Article 31512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Busy spring raising queens in South Carolina Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <0nhq8.2396$XP2.1378985@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 12:21:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1017750076 24.31.219.77 (Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:21:16 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:21:16 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31512 For those who are tired of winter, and want a taste of spring, you can get it at http://kutikshoney.com/grafting/queens.htm Chuck and Karen Kutik are migratory commercial beekeepers who have been busy raising queens and making nucs in South Carolina, where the process started in early March. Their web site has a lot of closeup photos of the process. There is a section on crop pollination for those interested in this area of beekeeping. Chuck and Karen use a lot of their bees for crop pollination service. Chuck is a very skilled beekeeper, and it might be a good idea to bookmark the web site, as there are often new things there. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:27:10 -0500 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 78 Message-ID: References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017754052 28471506 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31513 Thanks Judy and Allen, I have printed out this info and this will be our discussion for the next meeting!! Although kids come up with some tuff ones sometimes.. it does show they are thinking!! -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:a8c23c$r9isi$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > > This issue came up a couple years ago when a "professional beekeeper type > > person" gave a presentation to our local bee club. He, also, said don't > use 4 > > strips, you could probably only use 1 because there are so few bees in the > > hive. I didn't say anything that night, to avoid any disagreements. But, > we > > did discuss his comment at length the following meeting! > > Some of the most successful beekeepers use one strip. The trick is to use > it at the correct time and in the right place. > > > > 2. Why do you have to sprinkle terramycin "Oxacycline" 3 times when you > can > > > put a terramycin patty on one time and leave it on until the honey flow? > > Patties are still the best OTC treatment method. Dusting is unreliable and > subject to error. > > > The patty has pretty much been eliminated as a treatment of the > terramycin. > > Apparently, the bees do not consume the antibiotic in the amount needed > for it > > to be effective. > > Apparently they do, and the distribution is much better than with dusting. > Patties can reduce AFB breakdown from noticeable levels to near zero if used > correctly. > > > As there has been some reporting of > > terramycin resistant strains of foulbrood, beekeepers are trying to > tighten up > > as many gaps as they can. > > Patties are being investigated as the preferred application method for the > new drugs for SAFB because of their accurate targeting, measured dose and > visibility. Protein patties are contemplated this time, though, not patties > using grease as the vehicle, since the thought is that protein is handled by > bees that feed brood, and the brood is where the drug needs to go. > > This info is just FYI. Don't try it until it is endorsed by an authority in > your jurisdiction, and when it is and you do, be sure to follow the > directions exactly. > > In the meantime, extender patties are still the most reliable, consistent, > and effective method of administering OTC -- in spite of rumours and > speculation to the contrary. At least this is true in my apiaries, and I > have tried everything over the last 25 years on many, many thousands of > colonies. > > allen > http://www.internode.net/honeybee/Diary/ > > > Article 31514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scott Jarrell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: clover and locust Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:11:05 -0600 Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 13 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Scott Jarrell" NNTP-Posting-Host: d-128-97-173.bootp.virginia.edu X-Trace: murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU 1017753071 17005 128.143.97.173 (2 Apr 2002 13:11:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@virginia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2002 13:11:11 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31514 So I'm new to the beekeeping hobby. So new I haven't started yet but I am very interested. In preparation I have planted an apple tree and a peach tree. I have also been sowing clover, thinking it would be good for the bees. Then a co-worker of mine who used to keep bees long ago, said they only like a certain kind. I planted everyday ordinary red clover, I thought the only difference was the color. Is this true, if so when I reseed next year what should I use. Also there has been talk of what kinds of wood to use in super construction. How about locust? It has good rot resistance and is toxic to some bugs, but maybe bees too. Thanks Scott Article 31515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding Newbies? Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 09:07:41 -0700 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.5e.60 X-Server-Date: 2 Apr 2002 14:00:45 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!novia!novia!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!NewsWatcher!user Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31515 Greetings, all... We just put in a second hive of bees in our back yard yesterday, and I want to make sure I'm feeding them correctly. I'm using a syrup mixture of 2 parts sugar to one part water, thinking that they can probably use just about all the sugar they can get right now. Also, just out of curiosity... if 2:1 is good, are there reasons NOT to make it even stronger, say, 3:1? Thanks! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 31516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: CarolB@qichina.demon.co.uk (Carol Harding) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: For sale ; Equipment UK Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:03:02 GMT Message-ID: <1017756231.13636.0.nnrp-08.c2deb0c0@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: qichina.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: qichina.demon.co.uk:194.222.176.192 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1017756231 nnrp-08:13636 NO-IDENT qichina.demon.co.uk:194.222.176.192 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 52 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!qichina.demon.co.uk!qi Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31516 Hello, Due to anaphylactic shock, we had to find a good home for our bees. So we now have 2 year old, disease-free hives and other equipment for sale. Single items are available at half (50%) of the new prices quoted below or as job lot. Ideal economical startup for beginner. Situated in Essex,UK, can't deliver I'm afraid. SECONDHAND BEEKEEPING EQUIPMENT FOR SALE Description Cost- UKP(as new) Empty National Hive (made up) 103.00 Empty National Hive (made up) 103.00 +sloping floor+gabled roof 10.00 Empty Supers (5 @ £27.00 each) 135.00 Queen Excluders (2 @ £14 each) 28.00 Dummy Boards (2 @ £4.50 each) 9.00 Feeders (2 @ £6.00 each) 12.00 Smoker 34.00 Hive Tool 8.00 Manual Extractor 160.00 Polythene Tank 19.00 Comb Cutter 8 oz (unused) 22.00 Jacket & Veil 1 @ 40 " 53.00 1 @ 44 " 53.00 Beekeeping Trousers 1 @ 38 " 19.00 1 Large 19.00 Total Cost as new 787.00 Offers in the region of £300-350 accepted for the lot. Also available (all unused): Various jars eg 48 round 1 lb jars with lid 50 8 oz cut comb containers Labels and Tamper Evident Labels Hive Stand Frames (not made up), nails, etc Thanks, Carol. CarolB@ qichina.demon.co.uk Article 31517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding Newbies? Date: 2 Apr 2002 09:41:10 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3ca9c306$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> References: X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.8] X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.219.66.38 X-Original-Trace: 2 Apr 2002 09:41:10 -0500, 141.219.66.38 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mtunews.mtu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31517 Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote: > Greetings, all... > Also, just out of curiosity... if 2:1 is good, are there reasons NOT to > make it even stronger, say, 3:1? Well, the practical reason is that it is hard to get all the sugar dissolved at 3:1, and it will tend to crystallize on cooling. Also, the bees need a certain amount of water to eat the sugar themselves (I understand that they actually have to dilute honey to eat it), so since spring syrup is for them to eat right away, not to store for later, you might as well have the water in the syrup so they don't have to fly outside in the cold to get it. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 31518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Busy spring raising queens in South Carolina Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:43:27 -0700 Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <0nhq8.2396$XP2.1378985@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-6.internode.net (198.161.229.182) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017758575 28428172 198.161.229.182 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-6.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31518 > Their web site has a lot of closeup photos of the process. Very nice pictures. One thing I noticed is that they said "We look for productivity, good pollen gathering, maintance of a clean hive (hygenic), freedom from tracheal mites and chalkbrood disease, resistance to varroa mite and foulbrood disease, and gentleness" --begin soapbox --- . They did not mention selecting for honey production, and they said maintance of a clean hive is 'hygienic' behaviour. It is definitely not the same thing. Inasmuch as honey production and selection for HYG (http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/hygienic.htm) are two of the most important criteria these days, and simple tests can be done by breeders to confirm the presence of these characteristics without eliminating other desirable traits, the above quote illustrates exactly why beekeepers must think twice before just buying queens from 'nice people'. We must be hard-nosed and demand that the breeders do in fact breed and select knowledgeably using up-to-date measurements, and not just nice-sounding subjective evaluations. I'm as guilty as any of buying queens for convenience, but I am also working to turn up the pressure on queen suppliers to do more than just provide nice, gentle stock that looks good. When you are buying queens, PLEASE ask your supplier if he or she uses the HYG test and make sure that he/she even knows what you are talking about. Many don't. If you want to buy queens that are not selected for honey production, I guess that is your business, but with resistant AFB around, we need to ensure that new stock can stand up to the AFB that is endemic in North America. --- end soapbox --- allen http://www.internode.net/honeybee/Diary/ Article 31519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Want to expand? Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 09:29:28 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:30:10 -0600 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet!newsfeeds-atl2!atlpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31519 Hi The best way is to order a new queen or two. When she arrives make a nuc box (you can use a full size box) from your existing hive with brood from the existing hive and introduce the queen into that. When she is laying you use nuc to start the split and you can equalize with brood from the mother hive. There are a couple other ways in last months newsletter article on my site. Dave www.libertybee.com On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:25:08 GMT, "Ken Bullock" wrote: >I have one hive and it made it through our Atlantic Canada winter. I have >only had it since last spring. > >It seem to me that there are a lot of bees there this spring and I want to >split it. I would like to know what would be a good/less expensive hive. > >Also, would one split by adding 1 or 2 hives. I wouldn't want to spread them >too thin.... Article 31520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0nhq8.2396$XP2.1378985@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> Subject: Re: Busy spring raising queens in South Carolina Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:15:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1017760550 24.31.219.77 (Tue, 02 Apr 2002 10:15:50 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 10:15:50 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31520 "Allen Dick" > > Inasmuch as honey production and selection for HYG > (http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/hygienic.htm) are two of the most > important criteria these days, and simple tests can be done by breeders to > confirm the presence of these characteristics without eliminating other > desirable traits, the above quote illustrates exactly why beekeepers must > think twice before just buying queens from 'nice people'. We must be > hard-nosed and demand that the breeders do in fact breed and select > knowledgeably using up-to-date measurements, and not just nice-sounding > subjective evaluations. A couple notes, Allen, though I agree with your premise: Chuck doesn't raise queens for sale. He does sell nucs but they are all made up with queens from a good commercial breeder. The cells are for his own use. I know he's done some testing for HYG, but I don't think he feels confident enough to sell them. Also, since many of Chuck's bees are used for crop pollination, good pollinator activity is a higher priority than honey productivity. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Busy spring raising queens in South Carolina Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:50:42 -0700 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <0nhq8.2396$XP2.1378985@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-13.internode.net (198.161.229.189) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017766251 28454245 198.161.229.189 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-13.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31521 > he's done some testing for HYG, but I don't think he feels confident enough > to sell them. Good, glad to hear that. Everyone shouldtry this HYG test -- especially for one's own bees. > Also, since many of Chuck's bees are used for crop pollination, good pollinator activity is a higher priority than honey productivity. Honey is a *4@! nuisance in pollination :) But it pays the bills that the pollination doesn't. FWIW, quite a few of us up here have quit the pollination business because of the wear and tear on the bees and the aggravation of seeing bees die over winter. I didn't mean to rag on him. Those of us who tell publicly what we do are always open to criticism, since no one gets it perfect. allen Article 31522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Los Angeles Times: "Honey Business Is Sweet--and Sour" Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:03:19 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1017767260.160424@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 35 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31522 Monday April 01 10:55 AM EST By FRED ALVAREZ California beekeepers managed to pump out enough nectar last year to reestablish the Golden State as the nation's top honey producer. But at honeybee farms throughout the state, there has been little comfort in recapturing the crown. Though honey prices are higher than they've been in years, the industry faces a swarm of troubles, from cutthroat competition by foreign exporters to voracious pests that can gut production and drive beekeepers out of business. Then there are more immediate concerns, such as an ongoing dry spell sure to shrink the amount of vegetation available this year for honeybees to feed. The U.S. Department of Agriculture (news - web sites) may count California as No. 1, but veteran beekeepers say the view from the top can be precarious. "I wouldn't paint too rosy a picture, because it's not," said Red Bennett, a 60-year-old former NASA (news - web sites) engineer who two dozen years ago surrendered his pursuit of space travel for flight operations closer to earth in Ventura County. Full story at http://www.latimes.com/news/yahoo/la-000023331apr01.story?coll=la%2Dnewsaol% 2Dheadlines Article 31523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Busy spring raising queens in South Carolina Date: 2 Apr 2002 12:37:14 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3ca9ec4a$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> References: <0nhq8.2396$XP2.1378985@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.8] X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.219.66.38 X-Original-Trace: 2 Apr 2002 12:37:14 -0500, 141.219.66.38 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 40 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!proxad.net!nerim.net!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mtunews.mtu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31523 Allen Dick wrote: > Inasmuch as honey production and selection for HYG > (http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/hygienic.htm) are two of the most > important criteria these days, and simple tests can be done by breeders to > confirm the presence of these characteristics without eliminating other > desirable traits, the above quote illustrates exactly why beekeepers must > think twice before just buying queens from 'nice people'. We must be > hard-nosed and demand that the breeders do in fact breed and select > knowledgeably using up-to-date measurements, and not just nice-sounding > subjective evaluations. I am all for buying queens from good queen breeders. My problem is, how do I find out who that is? Do I have to personally call every queen breeder in the country and quiz them (and hope they aren't just telling me what they think I want to hear?). I'm sure that most everyone has their opinions about queen breeders (both good and bad), but there seems to be a curious reluctance to name names [1]. So, we all have to go on our personal experience, and don't get the benefit of other people's observations. Is there somebody who keeps track of which breeders are good, and which ones aren't? Or, for that matter, which ones are actually using good breeding practices? I think it would help us all out a lot if there was some sort of central place where we could all compare notes to see who is doing what. [1] Well, to break the trend, I'll throw in my limited experience. Ordered package bees from B. Weaver the first year, never arrived due to post office screwup, refunded my money with no argument. Then got three nucs from a local beekeeper, don't know where he ordered his queens from, but they were OK. Since then, have ordered queens from Heitkam's Honey Bees, they have always arrived on schedule, in good shape, and have been healthy and decent egg-layers. They are reputed to be hygenic, but I haven't really gotten around to testing them to be sure. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 31524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CA964CD.A84CDE18@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lost Hive References: <3CA525AF.7010000@doesnt.work> <3CA7CC37.AAD519F@fuse.net> <3CA84B83.9010509@doesnt.work> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 43 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:14:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.240.143.6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1017774872 67.240.143.6 (Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:14:32 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:14:32 EST Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!9e9cc8a6!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31524 Taylor Francis wrote: > > Judy and Dave wrote: > > > > > > > Taylor: > > > > Did you use any treatments in the hive? Would you feed this honey to > > your child? Base your decision on whether to use the honey for human > > consumption on the answers to these two questions. > > > > If there was no foulbrood, the honey is fine to feed to your remaining > > hive. > > > > No I didn't treat the hive...that's why I'm wondering. This was my > first winter with hives. I'm new to beekeeping and don't know if it's > AFB or not... > > See my other message "Dead Hive" for details of the hive... > > T I lost a hive, too. There was plenty of honey for them to eat, but all the bees are dead. I had purchased the hive from a friend last fall after one of my hives had been destroyed by moths. My other hives are strong and active, but I would like to know why the new hive died. Can someone tell me what foulbrood would do to a hive and how would I recognize it? I have one super of honey on this dead hive to dispose of. Help! Thank you. Louise -- | The poetry of heroism appeals irresistibly to Louise Adderholdt | those who don't go to a war, and even more so louise.adderholdt@gte.net | to those whom the war is making enormously | wealthy. --Celine Article 31525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Nick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apimonda books Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <7f3q8.29844$2O2.1359538@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 20:17:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.195.159.87 X-Complaints-To: abuse@blueyonder.co.uk X-Trace: news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk 1017692227 80.195.159.87 (Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:17:07 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:17:07 BST Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!isdnet!nerim.net!deine.net!amsnews01.chello.com!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!internal-news-hub.cableinet.net!news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31525 Hello Everyone I went to move the bees today at the home of a recently deceased beekeeper and mentioned to the daughter that beekeeping books were often of interest to other beekeepers. Bless her, she trots off and returnes with an Apimonda book, a bound volume from a conference in I believe Finland, she tells me that her father had a number of these from different conferences around the world, America, Rumania, Japan, and a few more - are they worth anything, is any body interested? Nick Article 31526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Jessie Cropley Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,alt.bbs.beeline,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: contacting a Polish beekeeper Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3CA8C3F4.E3D26098@btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-248-29.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1017693606 4637 213.122.248.29 (1 Apr 2002 20:40:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:40:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!deine.net!amsnews01.chello.com!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu soc.culture.polish:394039 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:352 alt.bbs.beeline:399 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31526 Hi Can anyone please give me contact details (prob phone only) for a Polish beekeeper ? His name (in Romanised form) is WOJCIECH SMARUF and he lives near Gniezno in Poland. I've met him once before in Poland (as part of a large beekeeper's group) but didn't take away his phone number. Now I want to go visit him again. The info I have is that there is no online phone directory for Poland. Please reply to me directly as well as through the newsgroups - many thanks in anticipation regards Roy roy.cropley@btinternet.com Article 31527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: support@4sms.org (Free SMS Support) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FREE!!! E-mail->SMS, WWW->SMS, SMS-Games!!! Welcome to WWW.4SMS.ORG Date: 2 Apr 2002 03:26:06 GMT Organization: Donbass Internet Center DIPT Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: freesms.dipt.donetsk.ua X-Trace: dipt.donbass.net 1017717966 22585 195.184.192.109 (2 Apr 2002 03:26:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dipt.donbass.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2002 03:26:06 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.rt.ru!news.donbass.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31527 Absolutelly FREE!!! Multilanguage, multiSMSservice gate www.4sms.org : English, Germany Finnish, Russian!!! Send SMS FREE more than 50 countries! Article 31528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone use cedar boxes? Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:26:19 +0100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3CA7B6B0.7519@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-952.pounder.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1017728783 31761 62.25.215.184 (2 Apr 2002 06:26:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2002 06:26:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31528 Red cedar is used extensively in the UK, having been promoted by equipment manufacturers due to its light weight and low maintenance requirements. However, it is expensive, easily damaged and woodpeckers love it! Give me pine any day. "Thom" wrote in message news:3CA7B6B0.7519@hotmail.com... > Has anyone experimented with cedar bee boxes? Seems that mites and > moths wouldn't like them, but do bees tolerate them? > > Thom Article 31529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1017756231.13636.0.nnrp-08.c2deb0c0@news.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: For sale ; Equipment UK Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 00:33:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1017794011 24.31.219.77 (Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:33:31 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:33:31 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.abs.net!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31529 "Carol Harding" wrote > Due to anaphylactic shock, we had to find a good home for our bees. Were you taking any pain-killing drugs when the incident happened? That's what happened to me. When the drugs cleared my system, I had no further problem. Drugs in the ibuprofen family have been known to do this. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: clover and locust Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 00:46:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1017794804 24.31.219.77 (Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:46:44 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:46:44 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.abs.net!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31530 "Scott Jarrell" >I have planted an apple tree and a peach > tree. If you get beehives, you will have pollinators for your fruit. But your apple will also require a pollenizer (another apple or crab apple variety to bloom at the same time and provide pollen). Apples are self sterile, and cannot even use another tree of the same variety. Peaches are self fertile, though many varieties will produce more reliably with a pollenizer. Cummins Nursery http://www.cumminsnursery.com/ has good lists of pollenizers for various fruits. You need varieties that produce plentiful viable pollen. Some varieties have sterile pollen. I have also been sowing clover, thinking it would be good for the > bees. Then a co-worker of mine who used to keep bees long ago, said they > only like a certain kind. I planted everyday ordinary red clover, I thought > the only difference was the color. Sweet clover is the greatest honey producer. The various white clovers tend to be better producers than red clovers. Some red clover varieties have flowers that are too deep for a honeybee's tongue. Bumblebees will work them, as they have a longer tongue. That is not an absolute, as I have seen honeybees work the dickens out of red clovers some years. I think, in a very good year, the droplet of nectar is big enough for the honeybee to reach part of it. >Is this true, if so when I reseed next > year what should I use. Also there has been talk of what kinds of wood to > use in super construction. How about locust? It has good rot resistance and > is toxic to some bugs, but maybe bees too. Thanks If you can drive a nail in black locust wood, go ahead! I'll bet you'll have to drill every nail hole. I prefer softer woods, even though they don't last forever. In the South (US), cypress is favored for longivity, but it's expensive and sometimes hard to find. Most of my supers are build of white pine, some from loblolly pine (not so good, splits too easily), and a few from yellow poplar (very nice to work). -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 23:09:53 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3CAA8091.88570858@fuse.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------920C025FD1E63ED164F88A5F" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 133 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31531 --------------920C025FD1E63ED164F88A5F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Allen Dick wrote: > Some of the most successful beekeepers use one strip. The trick is to use > it at the correct time and in the right place. Exactly. However, hobbyist beekeepers, and perhaps other successful beekeepers, have found that following the label directions is paramount to success. In our climate, if we were to use a follower board and cut the size of the brood box to 5 frames or even use a nuc size box, and use the one strip when the bees were clustered for the winter, then the contact, as is explained on the label, may be minimal. Also, perhaps the strip would need to be removed when the weather may be too cold to uncover the bottom box. In a professional beekeeping operation, perhaps the one strip can work. When helping younger beekeepers to learn, I prefer giving them the 'common' and, preferably, superior methods and allowing them to learn and grow into their own way of keeping bees. The use of both of our responses willl help them to see that there are many ways of doing everything. > Patties are still the best OTC treatment method. Dusting is unreliable and > subject to error. Sorry, Allen, I respectfully disagree. In one of Peter Borst's posts to your Bee-L, he stated that the recommendation for the use of dust is found on the following site. http://www.ontariobee.com/disease.htm If you read the reference, the footnote at the bottom states emphatically that patties should be avoided to reduce any chance of resistance to terramycin. In addition, I have heard speakers claim the same, just don't have my full notes from their presentations so I will not quote from memory. > > As there has been some reporting of > > terramycin resistant strains of foulbrood, beekeepers are trying to > tighten up > > as many gaps as they can. > > Patties are being investigated as the preferred application method for the > new drugs for SAFB because of their accurate targeting, measured dose and > visibility. Protein patties are contemplated this time, though, not patties > using grease as the vehicle, since the thought is that protein is handled by > bees that feed brood, and the brood is where the drug needs to go. > I hope that this alternate treatment will be able to use patties. They are definitely easier and less labor intense. We all hope that that alternate medication or method will soon be available to fight foulbrood. > In the meantime, extender patties are still the most reliable, consistent, > and effective method of administering OTC -- in spite of rumours and > speculation to the contrary. At least this is true in my apiaries, and I > have tried everything over the last 25 years on many, many thousands of > colonies. I am glad that the patties have worked reasonably well for you. However, I do remember a post about the foulbrood problem you had. Hopefully it was only with the hives that missed the treatment. Judy --------------920C025FD1E63ED164F88A5F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Allen Dick wrote:
Some of the most successful beekeepers use one strip.  The trick is to use
it at the correct time and in the right place.
Exactly.  However, hobbyist beekeepers, and perhaps other successful beekeepers, have found that following the label directions is paramount to success.  In our climate, if we were to use a follower board and cut the size of the brood box to 5 frames or even use a nuc size box, and use the one strip when the bees were clustered for the winter, then the contact, as is explained on the label,  may be minimal.  Also, perhaps the strip would need to be removed when the weather may be too cold to uncover the bottom box.

In a professional beekeeping operation, perhaps the one strip can work.  When helping younger beekeepers to learn, I prefer giving them the 'common' and, preferably, superior methods and allowing them to learn and grow into their own way of keeping bees.

The use of both of our responses willl help them to see that there are many  ways of doing everything.

Patties are still the best OTC treatment method.  Dusting is unreliable and
subject to error.
Sorry, Allen, I respectfully disagree.  In one of Peter Borst's posts to your Bee-L, he stated that the recommendation for the use of dust is found on the following site.  http://www.ontariobee.com/disease.htm
If you read the reference, the footnote at the bottom states emphatically that patties should be avoided to reduce any chance of resistance to terramycin.  In addition, I have heard speakers claim the same, just don't have my full notes from their presentations so I will not quote from memory.
> As there has been some reporting of
> terramycin resistant strains of foulbrood, beekeepers are trying to
tighten up
> as many gaps as they can.

Patties are being investigated as the preferred application method for the
new drugs for SAFB because of their accurate targeting, measured dose and
visibility.  Protein patties are contemplated this time, though, not patties
using grease as the vehicle, since the thought is that protein is handled by
bees that feed brood, and the brood is where the drug needs to go.
 

I hope that this alternate treatment will be able to use patties.  They are definitely easier and less labor intense.  We all hope that that alternate medication or method will soon be available to fight foulbrood.
In the meantime, extender patties are still the most reliable, consistent,
and effective method of administering OTC -- in spite of rumours and
speculation to the contrary.  At least this is true in my apiaries, and I
have tried everything over the last 25 years on many, many thousands of
colonies.
I am glad that the patties have worked reasonably well for you.  However, I do remember a post about the foulbrood problem you had.  Hopefully it was only with the hives that missed the treatment.

Judy --------------920C025FD1E63ED164F88A5F-- Article 31532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spliting hives? Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 05:08:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.164.250.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1017810485 198.164.250.93 (Wed, 03 Apr 2002 01:08:05 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 01:08:05 AST Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31532 I have only one hive and no experiance to speak of. I plan to split the hive which consist of two full supers right now as follows... I put the queen extruder inbetween the two supers... three days later check for eggs.... Then take the super with the eggs (and queen) set a new super on top and take the other one without the eggs and put a furtal queen in it and put a new super on top. Does that sound right? is there way I can expand to 3 hives instead of 2 or do I have to buy another package of bees? I was wondering if I could add another super now and when the queens arrive on 22 Apr I could split to 3 hives? I Would like to have 3 hive if possible without having to buy bees... Ken, NB Canada... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:28:51 -0700 Lines: 64 Message-ID: References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CAA8091.88570858@fuse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-13.internode.net (198.161.229.189) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017811743 28800746 198.161.229.189 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-13.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31533 >>>Sorry, Allen, I respectfully disagree. In one of Peter Borst's posts to your Bee-L, he stated that the recommendation for the use of dust is found on the following site. http://www.ontariobee.com/disease.htm If you read the reference, the footnote at the bottom states emphatically that patties should be avoided to reduce any chance of resistance to terramycin. In addition, I have heard speakers claim the same, just don't have my full notes from their presentations so I will not quote from memory. <<< I have read a lot of this baloney, traced it to the source, and have shamed a number of people (who should know better than repeat unproven accusations) to retract -- or at least stop repeating this speculative hogwash. I haven't managed to get to everyone and the theory is ridiculously attractive to those who have to try to explain everything -- even the unexplained. Speculation is all it is, but people always need a scapegoat. Remember this. A high percentage of what passes for common knowledge is just plain wrong. Even many scientists and extension people are quite gullible and just repeat what they hear. Ask for proof of this urban legend. You won't get any. There is none. >>>I am glad that the patties have worked reasonably well for you. However, I do remember a post about the foulbrood problem you had. Hopefully it was only with the hives that missed the treatment. <<< I can see that you *really* want to believe that party line, but suspect you should think about this a bit more. Good, because whatever the reason was, before we bagan using extender patties, the breakdown was consistent from year to year in spite of multiple applications, and backup syrup treatments. I was a bee inspector a quarter century back, and even bought infected hives knowingly, then cleaned them up using sulfa -- as Phillips recommended in his time. When we went to OTC from sulfa, we learned what a comparatively touchy and unreliable drug OTC is. The dusting methods recommended never did achieve complete and consistent control because the recommended dose was too small and knowledgeable beekeepers simply doubled the official dose and then had reasonable (but never complete) success. In an area or outfit where AFB was endemic, a consistent breakdown of 2 to 5% of hives -- for whatever reason -- was not untypical, even using careful OTC dusting -- and medicated syrup as well. This constant breakdown guanteed a reservoir of disease being perpetuated. With the use of patties, the breakdown drops to a tiny percentage of one percent and the infection levels drop. OTC is a crappy drug for AFB control and has never been any better than marginal. Where OTC was the only permitted drug, patties gave the best control, and still do. They are implicated in resistant AFB the same way police and firemen are implicated in an emergency. They are often at the scene. Almost no one thinks that police and firemen cause fires and crime... What caused the resistant AFB to emerge? Who knows? Nobody. I can give you at least two more plausible theories than the 'caused by extender patty' fairy tale. Those who have used the new drugs that are in the pipeline for approval are amazed at how well they work compared to OTC. Let's hope, though that we don't abuse them the way we did OTC by using a lame delivery system like dusting. Let's hope that we have the wisdom to develop bees that are highly resistant to AFB and get them into general use so that we seldom find a need to use drugs. allen Article 31534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "William C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Capturing feral bee problem Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: news5.uncensored-news.com Message-ID: <3caa9535_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> Organization: Uncensored-News.Com $9.95 Uncensored Newsgroups. X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@uncensored-news.com Send only the header of the offending post, DO NOT attach any file. X-Comment: NOTICE: Uncensored-News.Com does not condone, nor support, spam, illegal or copyrighted postings. X-T.O.S.: http://www.uncensored-news.com/terms.html Date: 3 Apr 2002 06:37:57 +0100 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-la!feed1.uncensored-news.com!feed2.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31534 I have a problem about how to get feral bees out of a hollow tree. The property owner said, if I can get them out I could have them, but the owner does not want the tree cut down. I have thought, maybe to use a bee vac to get them out or maybe drilling holes to find the base of the hollow and squirting bee robber into the base of the hollow to get them to come out of their entrance. Will any of these ideals work or does anyone have any suggestions. Thank you. ______________________________________________________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com With NINE Servers In California And Texas - The Worlds Uncensored News Source Article 31535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3caa9535_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> Subject: Re: Capturing feral bee problem Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:57:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1017835053 24.31.219.77 (Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:57:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:57:33 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31535 "William C" wrote in message news:3caa9535_4@news5.uncensored-news.com... > I have a problem about how to get feral bees out of a hollow tree. The > property owner said, if I can get them out I could have them, but the owner > does not want the tree cut down. I have thought, maybe to use a bee vac to > get them out or maybe drilling holes to find the base of the hollow and > squirting bee robber into the base of the hollow to get them to come out of > their entrance. Will any of these ideals work or does anyone have any > suggestions. Thank you. I would try drumming them, if the wood is sound enough to make a decent ring. Got a rubber mallet? I have drummed bees out of walls, and out of old hives with no frames. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: clover and locust Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:08:43 -0500 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017853725 28411055 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!deine.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31536 Dave, Scott: Red clover is supposed to be better for honeybees if cut after the first bloom. The later blooms are smaller, so the bees can get into them better. I know mine blooms several times a year if I keep it cut. But, white clover is the one they love here (soils are generally too acid for sweet clover to be happy in TN). And that is the pure truth on black locust. Let them get big enough to turn into lumber and you get sparks attempting to chain saw them down. Most mills here won't take locust knowingly to turn into planks, as it dulls their blades too much. They do make good fence posts, however. Of course, if you have them on your property, prepare to spend several years mowing the sprouts down after you cut a tree -- they grow back vigorously, with large thorns. I let mine be now (the ones still standing), as the bees get a good flow some years. Karen Article 31537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: For sale ; Equipment UK Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:10:44 -0500 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <1017756231.13636.0.nnrp-08.c2deb0c0@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017853846 28795209 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31537 I've had the same happen when taking ibuprofen or antibiotics, after stings to the head (rule #1 - don't forget the headnet, how many times do I have to tell myself that). But, most stings don't even cause a reaction, including several to the hand since. K, Oland "Dave Green" wrote in message news:v5sq8.5131$XP2.2149946@typhoon.southeast.rr.com... > > "Carol Harding" wrote > > > Due to anaphylactic shock, we had to find a good home for our bees. > > Were you taking any pain-killing drugs when the incident happened? > That's what happened to me. When the drugs cleared my system, I had no > further problem. Drugs in the ibuprofen family have been known to do this. Article 31538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 15:32:10 -0600 Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.104 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017869540 29343989 216.167.143.104 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.104!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31538 Judy said: >I love those kids. Judy to the clever kids in your discussion group, it might appear from what you've learned that keeping bees requires a lot of chemicals treatments of which then divides into how best to administer the chemicals. I would hope you also advise them that there are beekeepers who don't use these chemicals because they are of course, expensive but never a sure thing, and like hundreds of other herbicide and pesticide chemicals being used for sacred commercial reasons, their effect over a long period of time is completely unknown. The 'authority' that declares these chemicals to be safe when following directions and produces only 'acceptable' residues are in fact the companies that make the chemicals and not as you might think, independent 'government' agencies concerned about long term consumer welfare, like kids growing up for instance. So, don't forget to include a question for your students to the effect that "do you mind having small and 'acceptable' amounts of chemicals in your food of which the effects over a long period of time are completely unknown"? Just ask them for me, I would be interested to know what they thought, after all kids say the darnest things because they have not yet lost their ability to think, like most adults. C.K. Article 31539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steppler@cici.mb.ca (Ian) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capturing feral bee problem Date: 3 Apr 2002 14:28:36 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3caa9535_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.56.136.15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1017872916 7334 127.0.0.1 (3 Apr 2002 22:28:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Apr 2002 22:28:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31539 > I would try drumming them, if the wood is sound enough to make a decent > ring. Got a rubber mallet? > > I have drummed bees out of walls, and out of old hives with no frames. Dave Is drumming bees out of thier nest that easy? I have heard of this before, tell me how you do this and how long it takes to do so. Can you drum the bees out of a hive with drawn brood frames? and if not, how could you drum them out of a tree nest? Ian Article 31540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capturing feral bee problem Date: 3 Apr 2002 18:51:09 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3caa9535_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1017888670 15476 127.0.0.1 (4 Apr 2002 02:51:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Apr 2002 02:51:10 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31540 Howdy William -- I think you will find that the only satisfactory way to get your bees out is by trapping them out by covering the entrance hole with a screen wire funnel tapered to a 3/8 inch opening at the end. A small colony in a nuc box or small hive is placed as near the end of the funnel as possible. As the flying bees leave the tree colony, the can not get back in -- so they join the small colony placed there. The new colony can be given a queen or eggs to raise their own. The process takes about 6 weeks. This process may not be practical unless you have adequate time and patience. Pete ********************************************************* Article 31541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 22:36:22 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3CABCA36.34C2D258@fuse.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CAA8091.88570858@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 54 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31541 Allen Dick wrote: > I > haven't managed to get to everyone and the theory is ridiculously attractive > to those who have to try to explain everything -- even the unexplained. > Speculation is all it is, but people always need a scapegoat. I absolutely agree with you. However, when helping new beekeepers, whether young or old, I like to present all the opinions, with emphasis on research and generally available recommendations. If you were to read any of my handouts, you would see that I do just that, present all sides. Including the mint and vinegar and powdered sugar and burn and don't treat and buy hygienic queens. But each beekeeper must make up their own mind and do what is comfortable for them. And in order to make an informed decision I believe they must have all recent research and opinions. However, Dave and I did not use terramycin in 2001. Probably won't in 2002. Unless we start to see a trend or pattern that we can't stop. We are proud that, in our county and surrounding ones, you can't go for more than 4 miles or so before you are in a beekeeper's neighborhood. When we started, I guess 6 years ago, there were only 2 beekeepers in these counties. And they were both in their 80s. But, to the point, not all beekeepers are totally committed to their bees. And we can't be sure just what is in our neighbor's hives. (Kentucky does not have a real inspection system at this time) So we are vigilant, and will use the terramycin if we need to. Unfortunately, now I can't be sure which application method is the best. Thanks for that. We will have to think about it some more. > In an area or outfit > where AFB was endemic, a consistent breakdown of 2 to 5% of hives -- for > whatever reason -- was not untypical, even using careful OTC dusting -- and > medicated syrup as well. This constant breakdown guanteed a reservoir of > disease being perpetuated. With the use of patties, the breakdown drops to > a tiny percentage of one percent and the infection levels drop. It is this exhibition of knowledge and experience that is astounding in this beekeeping industry. I have read about every book that has been published in the English language about bees. And I am a fervent note-taker at any and all beekeeping presentations. For now, I have to tow the party line because of only 6 years of actual experience. I do not have enough knowledge or experience to attack that line. That's why I am grateful that there are many beekeepers who are willing to share their experiences and question the "status quo" or even "scientific findings". > Let's hope that we have the wisdom to develop bees that are highly > resistant to AFB and get them into general use so that we seldom find a need > to use drugs. The wisdom is there. The need is there. Let's hope it's quick. Judy Article 31542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 23:02:55 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 60 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!proxad.net!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31542 Charlie Kroeger wrote: > So, don't forget to include a question for your students to the > effect that "do you mind having small and 'acceptable' amounts of > chemicals in your food of which the effects over a long period of > time are completely unknown"? > > Just ask them for me, I would be interested to know what they > thought, after all kids say the darnest things because they have not > yet lost their ability to think, like most adults. Hi Charlie Excellent point. Have you spoken with many young people lately? They are more knowledgeable about chemicals and nature and our environment than many of us 'so called' adults. If you have not read Patricia's essay on our local bee club's website, I urge you to do so. The web address is http://home.fuse.net/backyardbees/ As a matter of fact, we are doing an experiment on our 4h hives. (We have 2 hives that are for the use of kids that can't afford their own. They can work these hives, we extract the honey as a group, and share the rewards) We are treating one with all the current recommended things, the other we are using only natural methods (just no chemicals). It is funny, in a way. We have one beekeeper who will cut every corner, steal every drop of honey (including from the brood boxes that have been treated with many chemicals) and feed his bees sugar while having a honey super on. He knows of my concerns, everyone does. It makes for some very good discussions at 4h meetings. Interesting how quickly the young people can identify who to listen to out of respect for their knowledge, and who to listen to out of respect only for their age. When we experimented with the powdered sugar for varroa control the kids were very excited. We used a garden duster that was new and not used for chemicals. It worked well. We use screened bottom boards and recommend them. The state apiarist recommended the use of coumaphos for mites because he had seen some resistance to the Apistan. He recommended just using it because we had the Section 8 exemption (I think that it). I pointed out to our members that there has been some concern about the presence of that chemical in wax. I also said that Florida went back and forth about using the coumaphos in hives that are used for comb honey. And strongly urged them to think long and hard about its use. So, Charlie, we openly and truthfully (I hope) deal with your concerns (which they share) on an ongoing basis. My "kids" are informed and well aware of the use of chemicals and their place in our environment. Hopefully, one of them will be the one that finds that magic non-chemical way to help the bees remain strong and healthy. As an aside, we were driving past the local County Fairgrounds where they were cutting down about 30 locust trees. My grandson said "Wow, look at that. What are they doing? Don't they know they are cutting down our air supply? Let's stop, grandma, and tell them, they must not know how important the trees are." Dillon is 9 years old. Judy Article 31543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 23:29:06 -0600 Lines: 68 Message-ID: References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.167 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017898147 29458677 216.167.138.167 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.167!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31543 Judy said: >Excellent point. Have you spoken with many young people lately? No..I get my impression of the younger set from television advertisements, which don't portray them well...little monsters who's mothers rush to clean up their mess; that sort of thing. >If you have not read Patricia's >essay on our local bee club's website, I urge you to do so. Thanks, I'll have a look >We have one beekeeper who will cut every corner, >steal every drop of honey (including from the brood boxes that have >been treated with many chemicals) Yes..I don't get it, but that's the way humans are, so tedious and rather hopeless in the main, especially in large numbers..Still I always believe that someday there will happen, that idea who's time has come. >Interesting how quickly the >young people can identify who to listen to out of respect for their >knowledge, and who to listen to out of respect only for their age. Young people not made insane, are quite adroit at sussing out the truth, I noticed this a lot, but as they get older, this ability goes away. So..you know young people who have respect for someone's age? Where is this place? >He >recommended just using it because we had the Section 8 exemption (I >think that it). Yes, file that under making money at all cost. >Hopefully, one of them will be the one that finds that magic >non-chemical way to help the bees remain strong and healthy and if not that, a statesman or great teacher that will make people turn away from all this and love the earth instead. >As an aside, we were driving past the local County Fairgrounds where >they were cutting down about 30 locust trees. sad to hear it..30 years ago, after reading those books by J.R.R. Tolkien anyone doing such things would be labeled by me as "Orcs" Now Orcs are everywhere, and trees are being cleared at an unbelievable rate. It should be noted here too that another writer I like, Charles Portis, said: "white trash always cut down their trees." >Let's stop, grandma, and tell them, they must not >know how important the trees are." Dillon is 9 years old. Good for Dillon, lets hope he can hold that thought for the rest of his life. C.K. Article 31544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 22:44:27 -0700 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CAA8091.88570858@fuse.net> <3CABCA36.34C2D258@fuse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool2-10.internode.net (198.161.229.202) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017899082 29642288 198.161.229.202 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool2-10.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31544 > you would see that I do just that, present all sides. Including the mint and > vinegar and powdered sugar and burn and don't treat and buy hygienic queens. > But each beekeeper must make up their own mind and do what is comfortable for > them. And in order to make an informed decision I believe they must have all > recent research and opinions. Exactly. And, not to be too cynical, it does not hurt to point out who profits from each point of view. The beekeeper profits from eliminating disease and having healthy bees. The extension agent and scientist needs pressing problems to keep funded and does not suffer in the least if all the bees in the country are sick. The manufacturer does not mind if infected hives are burnt. Sorta reminds me of the old saying in the stock racket... ahem, excuse me, business. It goes like this: "The firm made money, and the broker made money, and, ... well, ... Two outa three aint't bad!". > However, Dave and I did not use terramycin in 2001. Probably won't in 2002. Good for you. I hope you are getting your bees from a supplier who tests and selects for hygienic behaviour. It does not take a high level of hygienic activity to keep a hive clean if it is not seriously challenged by disease spores in the environment or in the hive. It when a few susceptible hives break down that the hive equipment gets flooded with spores and even the better stock has a hard time staying healthy. allen http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ Article 31545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 00:09:45 -0600 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <20rnau88dcjsv5a0kgls18pr3bds28rs01@4ax.com> References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.167 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017900587 29485056 216.167.138.167 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.167!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31545 Judy said: >If you have not read Patricia's >essay on our local bee club's website, I urge you to do so. The web >address is http://home.fuse.net/backyardbees/ I visited the above URL, but I don't use 'word', a well known but proprietary software that produces documents with the file extension ".doc" of which I can't open. Have you considered posting Patricia's essay in a document with the file extension of ".txt" or even ".htm" then everyone can read it. Internet standards, not microsoft standards. C.K. Article 31546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The use of Oxalic acid for verroa control. Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:55:04 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.54.103.55 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1017906738 210.54.103.55 (Thu, 04 Apr 2002 19:52:18 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 19:52:18 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31546 Hi folks, I have seen heaps of people asking about the use of Oxalic acid for the control of the verroa mite. Below is how it is recommended to be used over here in New Zealand. Oxalic acid is a more recent addition to the arsenal of organic acids used for verroa control. Swiss research showed that 3% oxalic acid, sprayed at 3-4 ml per comb side in broodless colonies, killed 98% of mites. In colonies with brood, however, the efficiency was 30 - 40%. A new application method for oxalic acid has been developed in Europe. The method involves mixing oxalic acid crystals into a 1:1 sugar syrup, and then pouring a measured amount between the combs in early winter, directly onto the bees. The colony should be broodless, and the syrup should be lukewarm to avoid chilling the bees. Outside temperature should be above zero degrees. The oxalic acid does not work through evaporation, so temperature is not as important as it is with essential oils or formic acid. Research suggests that while there is little difference in effectiveness between 4.2% oxalic acid in the syrup and 3.2%, the lower concentration doesn't affect colony build up as much the next spring. Higher concentrations can affect over wintering and spring development in cold climates. Five millilitres of the syrup is applied per frame covered in bees using a graduated syringe. In New Zealand all beekeepers have to be registered and we are all given training on the control of the verroa mite, we each have a book given to us that describes all legal methods of control. If anyone has any questions about the different methods of control, I will gladly email them what is said by MAFF. All the best everyone and bee happy. Dave Andrews. www.dargaville.net Article 31547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: carsimex@directvinternet.com (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving bees Date: 4 Apr 2002 08:17:41 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1017937061 1955 127.0.0.1 (4 Apr 2002 16:17:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Apr 2002 16:17:41 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31547 I am planning to move several hives to the North Georgia for a month or two. How do i get the hive ready? Do I use regular top cover or i need to get a special kind? What is the best time of the day to do it? Thank you, Andrey. Article 31548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Apr 2002 17:15:24 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: gng-ms) Subject: Re: Moving bees Message-ID: <20020404121524.28268.00000268@mb-ms.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!feed-ev1!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31548 In article , carsimex@directvinternet.com (Andrey) writes: >What is the best time of the day to do it? Nignt, night, night. Bob Pursley Article 31549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: James Lindstrom Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Western PA Beekeepers Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 12:40:31 -0500 Organization: Navix Internet Subscribers Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3CAC900E.25CB4AC7@alltel.net> Reply-To: jcrocket@alltel.net NNTP-Posting-Host: r-114.162.alltel.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: iac5.navix.net 1017941668 2615 166.102.114.162 (4 Apr 2002 17:34:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@navix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Apr 2002 17:34:28 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed.online.be!zur.uu.net!ash.uu.net!news.navix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31549 I'm a small time beekeeper here in SW PA and it turns out I have purchased more queens than I can use this season. If anyone out there in this general vicinity would like them let me know. These are good RUssian queens from an apiary in GA that I have dealt with for several years. They've been good to me, and I trust them. Drop me a note off group if you're interested and I'll let you know the details. I would like to pass them on at my cost, no profit motive here at all. I just don't want to see the queens wasted. Jim Lindstrom The Oak Forest Apiary jcrocket@alltel.net Article 31550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Feeding Newbies? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3CACE082.3B115EBD@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:23:46 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 31 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31550 In the spring you want to feed them 1:1 syrup. This mix is closer to natural nectar and will stimulate the queen to increase laying activity - this is desireable in the spring. The 2:1 mix is for fall feeding - they don't have to evaporate as much water to make it into winter stores. This is one of those scenarois where less is more. ;-) Billy Smart Rock, KS Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > > Greetings, all... > > We just put in a second hive of bees in our back yard yesterday, and I > want to make sure I'm feeding them correctly. I'm using a syrup mixture > of 2 parts sugar to one part water, thinking that they can probably use > just about all the sugar they can get right now. > > Also, just out of curiosity... if 2:1 is good, are there reasons NOT to > make it even stronger, say, 3:1? > > Thanks! > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 31551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding Newbies? Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:32:33 -0600 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3CACE082.3B115EBD@boeing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbhurOGg+ZW2dyUEpftTnHn9+hfqCDu0rnVcCehfYG3PXpFVZV3kntn X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2002 00:33:01 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!netnews.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31551 Is that by weight or volume? hehehehe > In the spring you want to feed them 1:1 syrup. This mix is closer to > natural nectar and will stimulate the queen to increase laying activity > - this is desireable in the spring. The 2:1 mix is for fall feeding - > they don't have to evaporate as much water to make it into winter > stores. > > This is one of those scenarois where less is more. ;-) > > Billy Smart > Rock, KS Article 31552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding Newbies? Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <1espau0ap7e3k087pt5ab342j1kea9mfih@4ax.com> References: <3CACE082.3B115EBD@boeing.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 01:37:29 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1017967048 80.1.219.139 (Fri, 05 Apr 2002 01:37:28 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 01:37:28 BST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!news4-gui.server.ntli.net!news1-win.server.ntlworld.com!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31552 On Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:32:33 -0600, Barry Birkey wrote: >Is that by weight or volume? Yes. Article 31553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: uk swarms in march.??? what next ?? Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 11:01:12 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 23 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3CAD75E8.FCAD33DA@york.ac.uk> References: <700de225.0204011446.f6ce035@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 1018000926 12441 144.32.85.141 (5 Apr 2002 10:02:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2002 10:02:06 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31553 Hi Rob, The rule of thumb that I was told was the first time you are comfortable to go around in shirt sleeves... I also look at the weather forcast to make sure there will be a day or two of fine weather.... Don't want to go in and then find a cold wet snap comes the next day, which is often the deciding factor. I started looking in the hives last weekend (Easter weekend) here in York. Paul. Rob Graham wrote: > I know this seems a bit naive but how do you judge just when to take > your first look in the hives after winter. I'm not good at clubs and > have always just done my beekeeping by feel and a couple of old books. > I wouldn't expect to go into my hives here near Edinburgh for 3 or 4 > weeks yet. I read about bees 'balling' the queen if disturbed and > have always taken a very cautious line as a result. > > Rob Article 31554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Splitting Hive? Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <_Tfr8.3318$Lh6.99008@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 11:28:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.164.250.171 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1018006138 198.164.250.171 (Fri, 05 Apr 2002 07:28:58 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 07:28:58 AST Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31554 I have one hive and want to expand... I have a queen on order for 22 April and plan to split the two super hive to two hives using the old queen and the new one. I want more hives and wonder it I can spilt it futher or do I have to wait till next spring? Can I split the hives again in say July or Aug? Or should splits be restricted to spring? -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting Hive? Message-ID: References: <_Tfr8.3318$Lh6.99008@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:08:31 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 08:09:15 -0600 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeeds-atl2!atlpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31555 It really depends on your goal .. if you don't plan on making a honey crop you can split pretty often by taking a couple of frames of brood away and introducing a new queen. Depending on where you live, you can do this most of the summer allowing them enough time to expand large enough to winter. To maximize honey production you want a large population in the hive at the time of the main nectar flow. One 50,000 bee hive will produce more honey than 3 with 20,000 bees. Dave On Fri, 05 Apr 2002 11:28:58 GMT, "Ken Bullock" wrote: >I have one hive and want to expand... I have a queen on order for 22 April >and plan to split the two super hive to two hives using the old queen and >the new one. > >I want more hives and wonder it I can spilt it futher or do I have to wait >till next spring? > >Can I split the hives again in say July or Aug? Or should splits be >restricted to spring? Article 31556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: uk swarms in march.??? what next ?? Date: 5 Apr 2002 14:05:20 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <700de225.0204051405.c26fcaa@posting.google.com> References: <700de225.0204011446.f6ce035@posting.google.com> <3CAD75E8.FCAD33DA@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.17.239 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1018044322 26118 127.0.0.1 (5 Apr 2002 22:05:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2002 22:05:22 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!netnews.com!isdnet!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31556 Paul Waites wrote in message news:<3CAD75E8.FCAD33DA@york.ac.uk>... Thanks Paul - instincts were correct then. Shirt sleeves in Scotland = about one day in August !!! :>). Anyway the end of April/beginning of May and no earlier is my norm here, though with this current spell of weather I could think about it a bit earlier. Thanks Rob > Hi Rob, > > The rule of thumb that I was told was the first time you are comfortable > to go around in shirt sleeves... > > I also look at the weather forcast to make sure there will be a day or two > of fine weather.... Don't want to go in and then find a cold wet snap > comes the next day, which is often the deciding factor. I started looking > in the hives last weekend (Easter weekend) here in York. > > Paul. > Article 31557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: uk swarms in march.??? what next ?? Date: 5 Apr 2002 14:05:21 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <700de225.0204051405.fa6d4d3@posting.google.com> References: <700de225.0204011446.f6ce035@posting.google.com> <3CAD75E8.FCAD33DA@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.17.239 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1018044322 26121 127.0.0.1 (5 Apr 2002 22:05:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2002 22:05:22 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!isdnet!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31557 Paul Waites wrote in message news:<3CAD75E8.FCAD33DA@york.ac.uk>... Thanks Paul - instincts were correct then. Shirt sleeves in Scotland = about one day in August !!! :>). Anyway the end of April/beginning of May and no earlier is my norm here, though with this current spell of weather I could think about it a bit earlier. Thanks Rob > Hi Rob, > > The rule of thumb that I was told was the first time you are comfortable > to go around in shirt sleeves... > > I also look at the weather forcast to make sure there will be a day or two > of fine weather.... Don't want to go in and then find a cold wet snap > comes the next day, which is often the deciding factor. I started looking > in the hives last weekend (Easter weekend) here in York. > > Paul. > Article 31558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Fritz and Joyce Ludwig" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capturing feral bee problem Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 03:25:43 -0500 Organization: OWDS Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <3caa9535_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust181.tnt1.anderson.sc.da.uu.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 1018081546 3228 67.226.224.181 (6 Apr 2002 08:25:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 08:25:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newsrouter.icnc.com!uunet!sac.uu.net!ash.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31558 I have had similar successful experience, but used a bee escape in place of the screen funnel. You are correct, it does take patience! "Pete" wrote in message news:bc3bf29.0204031851.7a8def5f@posting.google.com... > Howdy William -- > > I think you will find that the only satisfactory way to get your bees out > is by trapping them out by covering the entrance hole with a screen wire > funnel tapered to a 3/8 inch opening at the end. A small colony in a nuc > box or small hive is placed as near the end of the funnel as possible. > > As the flying bees leave the tree colony, the can not get back in -- so > they join the small colony placed there. The new colony can be given a > queen or eggs to raise their own. The process takes about 6 weeks. > > This process may not be practical unless you have adequate time > and patience. > > Pete > ********************************************************* Article 31559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving bees Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 09:36:17 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-352.clefairy.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1018082189 885 217.135.90.96 (6 Apr 2002 08:36:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2002 08:36:29 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31559 http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/PENotes/MovingBees.htm "Andrey" wrote in message news:cf7664b7.0204040817.557c2eed@posting.google.com... > I am planning to move several hives to the North Georgia for a month > or two. How do i get the hive ready? Do I use regular top cover or i > need to get a special kind? What is the best time of the day to do it? > > Thank you, > Andrey. Article 31560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3caa9535_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> Subject: Re: Capturing feral bee problem Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:53:33 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.54.102.7 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1018086422 210.54.102.7 (Sat, 06 Apr 2002 21:47:02 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 21:47:02 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31560 "Ian" wrote in message news:cdaa9ae0.0204031428.621c31e8@posting.google.com... > > I would try drumming them, if the wood is sound enough to make a decent > > ring. Got a rubber mallet? > > > > I have drummed bees out of walls, and out of old hives with no frames. GRIN..!!! Grin!! Drumming Bees is best done at a 4/5 beat very similar to a Reggae beat, as used by Bob Marley and the Whalers. Having thought about it, you could play the Beatles "LET IT BEE!" too them non stop... GRIN!! So far I have tried to coax around twenty Bee hives from tree stumps, in New Zealand where I live, using various methods, but I have yet to try "Drumming!". Perhaps I should turn up with a Bee suit and a rubber mallet. ? My Bee business has evolved from removing feral Bees and swarms from houses downunder, I now have three hundred and forty seven hives in my back garden and others elsewhere.! With the Verroa problem now evident in New Zealand, feral (Wild) Bees should become less of a problem as the verroa mite takes it's toll. Some Bee keepers don't seem to realise just how quick the Verroa mite can destroy a hive. Registered Beekeepers in New Zealand are required to attend free courses, to learn how to control the verroa mite. It only takes a bag of icing sugar and a glass bottle to find out if a hive has a Verroa problem. The world of the "Bee Keeper!" is changing. All the best Dave Andrews Article 31563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> <20rnau88dcjsv5a0kgls18pr3bds28rs01@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 19:48:31 -0800 Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc2-125.reachone.com Message-ID: <3cafc531@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 6 Apr 2002 20:04:01 -0800, tc2-125.reachone.com Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.news.qwest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc2-125.reachone.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31563 There is a free viewer available from the same company that makes Word so if you didn't want to change the format, you could make the viewer available for Charlie. "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:20rnau88dcjsv5a0kgls18pr3bds28rs01@4ax.com... > Judy said: > > >If you have not read Patricia's > >essay on our local bee club's website, I urge you to do so. The web > >address is http://home.fuse.net/backyardbees/ > > I visited the above URL, but I don't use 'word', a well known but > proprietary software that produces documents with the file extension > ".doc" of which I can't open. > > Have you considered posting Patricia's essay in a document with the > file extension of ".txt" or even ".htm" then everyone can read it. > > Internet standards, not microsoft standards. > > C.K. Article 31564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CACE082.3B115EBD@boeing.com> <1espau0ap7e3k087pt5ab342j1kea9mfih@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Feeding Newbies? Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 19:49:54 -0800 Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc2-125.reachone.com Message-ID: <3cafc583@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 6 Apr 2002 20:05:23 -0800, tc2-125.reachone.com Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!feed.news.qwest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc2-125.reachone.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31564 Really, I always thought it was by approximation. :-) "JAF" wrote in message news:1espau0ap7e3k087pt5ab342j1kea9mfih@4ax.com... > On Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:32:33 -0600, Barry Birkey > wrote: > > >Is that by weight or volume? > > Yes. > Article 31565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oberloh" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020404121524.28268.00000268@mb-ms.aol.com> Subject: Re: Moving bees Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.231.53.66 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1018158259 12.231.53.66 (Sun, 07 Apr 2002 05:44:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 05:44:19 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 05:44:20 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31565 If you do it at night you can use a red bulb for illumination so your bees dont fly around while you box up your hives. "Bob Pursley" wrote in message news:20020404121524.28268.00000268@mb-ms.aol.com... > In article , > carsimex@directvinternet.com (Andrey) writes: > > >What is the best time of the day to do it? > > Nignt, night, night. > Bob Pursley Article 31566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees wanted Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 07:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-123-45-172.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1018163355 21248 213.123.45.172 (7 Apr 2002 07:09:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 07:09:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31566 Iam a school teacher and (very) amateur beekeeper. I lost both my colonies of bees during the past winter and am anxious to start again: the garden is desolate without bees. I would be happy to pay a reasonable price for replacements and could collect within a distance of about 100 miles of Grantham, Lincolnshire. Any offers or suggestions for further contact would be very gratefully received. Thanks Paul Bowden Article 31567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Armando Giglia" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apiculture. Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 09:31:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.116.232.124 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tin.it X-Trace: news2.tin.it 1018171881 80.116.232.124 (Sun, 07 Apr 2002 11:31:21 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 11:31:21 MET DST Organization: TIN Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!phobos.ibnetwork.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news-out.tin.it!news-in.tin.it!news2.tin.it.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31567 See you my web: http://digilander.iol.it/fontedelmiele Article 31568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees wanted Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <91o0buk2p4f38qrb5ee72n5ama4llhcq2u@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:05:43 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1018191941 80.1.219.139 (Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:05:41 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:05:41 BST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31568 On Sun, 7 Apr 2002 07:09:15 +0000 (UTC), "Paul Bowden" wrote: >Iam a school teacher and (very) amateur beekeeper. I lost both my colonies >of bees during the past winter and am anxious to start again: the garden is >desolate without bees. I would be happy to pay a reasonable price for >replacements and could collect within a distance of about 100 miles of >Grantham, Lincolnshire. > >Any offers or suggestions for further contact would be very gratefully >received. > >Thanks > >Really, I always thought it was by approximation. > http://www.thorne.co.uk/ -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 31569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding Newbies? Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <3CACE082.3B115EBD@boeing.com> <1espau0ap7e3k087pt5ab342j1kea9mfih@4ax.com> <3cafc583@news.turbotek.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:03:04 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 1018191781 80.1.219.139 (Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:03:01 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:03:01 BST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31569 On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 19:49:54 -0800, "K Adney" wrote: >"JAF" wrote in message >news:1espau0ap7e3k087pt5ab342j1kea9mfih@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:32:33 -0600, Barry Birkey >> wrote: >> >> >Is that by weight or volume? >> >> Yes. >> >Really, I always thought it was by approximation. > >:-) > It very nearly is. Almost. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis PS. See how it flows, when new material is posted beneath, rather than above, the old? Article 31570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bees wanted Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:09:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1018195745 24.64.223.206 (Sun, 07 Apr 2002 10:09:05 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 10:09:05 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31570 "Paul Bowden" wrote in message news:a8oraq$ko0$1@helle.btinternet.com... > Iam a school teacher and (very) amateur beekeeper. I lost both my colonies > of bees during the past winter and am anxious to start again: the garden is > desolate without bees. I would be happy to pay a reasonable price for > replacements and could collect within a distance of about 100 miles of > Grantham, Lincolnshire. > > Any offers or suggestions for further contact would be very gratefully > received. www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln> > Thanks > > Paul Bowden > > Article 31571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees wanted Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-123-98.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: knossos.btinternet.com 1018209170 14787 213.122.123.98 (7 Apr 2002 19:52:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:52:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31571 Thanks for the link to what looks an interesting site: I stupidly omitted to make clear that my location is the UK though! Best wishes. Paul Bowden "Beeguy" wrote in message news:Ba_r8.25189$%3.2153824@news1.calgary.shaw.ca... > > "Paul Bowden" wrote in message > news:a8oraq$ko0$1@helle.btinternet.com... > > Iam a school teacher and (very) amateur beekeeper. I lost both my > colonies > > of bees during the past winter and am anxious to start again: the garden > is > > desolate without bees. I would be happy to pay a reasonable price for > > replacements and could collect within a distance of about 100 miles of > > Grantham, Lincolnshire. > > > > Any offers or suggestions for further contact would be very gratefully > > received. www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln> > > Thanks > > > > Paul Bowden > > > > > > Article 31572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: lucien winslow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: growth Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:09:21 -0500 Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3CB0B580.210ADD09@erols.com> Reply-To: lwinslow@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ/VkkwEzMvzprnEBs+rwqY+VL1Uh8vmGqYEzd6BasgAf0R0TzfcGC9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Apr 2002 21:11:42 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31572 i saw bright orange something on the legs of a bee. also different color growth on another, what is this also have a hive loaded with bees, so i spilt it twice and added to queens, is that cool Article 31573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles Pecka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: growth Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:53:28 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3CB0B580.210ADD09@erols.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31573 "lucien winslow" wrote in message news:3CB0B580.210ADD09@erols.com... > i saw bright orange something on the legs of a bee. also different > color growth on another, what is this also have a hive loaded with bees, > so i spilt it twice and added to queens, is that cool > Ah, Spring bring the growth of Pollen from the flowers of the filed, could that be your orange growth? I think so Article 31574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: growth Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 22:55:20 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3cb0ce2a.86654967@news1.radix.net> References: <3CB0B580.210ADD09@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31574 On Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:53:28 -0500, "Charles Pecka" wrote: > >"lucien winslow" wrote in message >news:3CB0B580.210ADD09@erols.com... >> i saw bright orange something on the legs of a bee. also different >> color growth on another, what is this also have a hive loaded with bees, >> so i spilt it twice and added to queens, is that cool >> > >Ah, Spring bring the growth of Pollen from the flowers of the filed, could >that be your orange growth? I think so > Naw, it's bee leg cancer! beekeep Article 31575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CB0B580.210ADD09@erols.com> Subject: Re: growth Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <%q4s8.7024$Lh6.172495@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 23:16:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.250.39 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1018221371 142.166.250.39 (Sun, 07 Apr 2002 20:16:11 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 20:16:11 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31575 I am a newbie, but I have been watching my girls for just about a year and they often come home with their leg pouches full of pollen. It make them look like they have a growth on their legs, but that is removed after entering the hive, stored and eatnen or fed to the bouncing baby girls. I havn't split yet so, I an not the one to talk about that. -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "lucien winslow" wrote in message news:3CB0B580.210ADD09@erols.com... > i saw bright orange something on the legs of a bee. also different > color growth on another, what is this also have a hive loaded with bees, > so i spilt it twice and added to queens, is that cool > Article 31576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bees wanted Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 00:35:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1018226119 24.64.223.206 (Sun, 07 Apr 2002 18:35:19 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 18:35:19 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!telocity-west!TELOCITY!hub1.nntpserver.com!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31576 What's problem with your location? I'm from Germany. Best wishes, Manfred Schreiber "Paul Bowden" wrote in message news:a8q82i$ee3$1@knossos.btinternet.com... > Thanks for the link to what looks an interesting site: I stupidly omitted > to make clear that my location is the UK though! Best wishes. Paul Bowden > > > "Beeguy" wrote in message > news:Ba_r8.25189$%3.2153824@news1.calgary.shaw.ca... > > > > "Paul Bowden" wrote in message > > news:a8oraq$ko0$1@helle.btinternet.com... > > > Iam a school teacher and (very) amateur beekeeper. I lost both my > > colonies > > > of bees during the past winter and am anxious to start again: the > garden > > is > > > desolate without bees. I would be happy to pay a reasonable price for > > > replacements and could collect within a distance of about 100 miles of > > > Grantham, Lincolnshire. > > > > > > Any offers or suggestions for further contact would be very gratefully > > > received. www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln> > > > Thanks > > > > > > Paul Bowden > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 31577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How close can you place new hives? Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:35:20 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: snca-01-230.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!usenet.cat.pdx.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31577 I am starting two hives (my first) and I want to know how close can the two hives be to each other. I have them about 2 feet apart but the bees won't be here until next week. Article 31578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USA, Mid-Atlantic Region: Hives for sale Date: 8 Apr 2002 06:08:40 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 15 Message-ID: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1018260460 19821 166.84.1.2 (8 Apr 2002 10:07:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2002 10:07:40 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31578 Hello. I know an aging beekeeper that is looking to sell some of his operation. He has strong deep/medium hives with good woodenware, inner-cover, and telescoping top. These colonies are pre-swarm and ready to roll. Treated with Apistan, Fall 2001. I've looked through a third of them and most are very nice. He's asking $85.00 per hive. Augusta county Virginia. Email me if you're interested. Thanks, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 31579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: How close can you place new hives? Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 22:52:39 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.54.73.119 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1018262776 210.54.73.119 (Mon, 08 Apr 2002 22:46:16 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 22:46:16 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31579 "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:a8psh1$tkb$1@ins22.netins.net... Hi Patrick, I am a Beekeeper from Downunder in New Zealand. We usually place our hives no closer than 3 metres from the next hive. All the best Dave Andrews www.dargaville.net Article 31580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fwd: Gaucho Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 00:22:34 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p105.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1018262748 2734 203.96.192.233 (8 Apr 2002 10:45:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2002 10:45:48 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31580 Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 4:40 PM Subject: Gaucho A beekeeper in North Dakota lost a large number of his bee colonies (60%) last year and has embarked on a campaign to find the cause. Laboratory tests have been performed on the bees and wax. The early testing had shown no residues from aerial spraying of pesticides but the residues of imidacloprid (trade name Gaucho/Admire) in quantities high enough to kill bees. Follow up tests are being done and the case is being documented in preparation for potential legal action. The beekeeper believes that the accumulation of imidacloprid in his bees wax has been occurring for 3-5 years. When he uses fresh comb foundation the bee colony is productive but when he put on contaminated comb the bees begin to die. He has also observed unusual behaviour problems with the bees and advises other beekeepers to be very careful about checking which chemicals have been used in areas of bee forage. A summary of the research done on Gaucho/ Admire will be presented at the annual CHC/CAPA research symposium in Banff. The CHC is concerned about the potential long-term sub lethal effects of imidacloprid on honeybees. We hope that the review of the research to date will indicate what direction needs to be taken for future action. >From Feb 2002 Hivelights - Canadian Honey Council Article 31581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa Osbourne) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re-queened Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 08:03:21 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <11964-3CB19519-251@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQroiJJ5oOvji5jGbgt5IevVYmhyAIULGEIKQnhRjOZM4OFG2Kqx8BMyc4= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31581 I just re-queened for the first time. Hoping they will accept the new gal. Wish me luck!! http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ Article 31582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re-queened Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:18:55 -0400 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <11964-3CB19519-251@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1018279162 32085280 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31582 Good Luck!! -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "Melissa Osbourne" wrote in message news:11964-3CB19519-251@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net... > I just re-queened for the first time. Hoping they will accept the new > gal. Wish me luck!! > > http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ > Article 31583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steppler@cici.mb.ca (Ian) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How close can you place new hives? Date: 8 Apr 2002 09:40:35 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Messag