From adamf Thu Apr 14 15:27:57 1994 Subject: no subject (file transmission) To: adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 15:27:57 +22300129 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 721 Status: RO Path: solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Welcome All! Date: 14 Apr 1994 19:26:53 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: solaris.cc.vt.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1 To all people interested in bees, beekeeping and hive products: Please use this group! Its for you. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ###################################################################### Below is the actual first article of the newsgroup. Adam ###################################################################### From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!birdie-blue.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 Fri Apr 15 10:08:31 EDT 1994 Article: 1 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!birdie-blue.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 14 Apr 94 16:53:43 EST Organization: University of Scranton Lines: 19 Message-ID: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.cs.uofs.edu Hi Folks! Now that we have a newsgroup, maybe we should try to come up with a FAQ...Anybody have any questions that they think should be there? How about having a list of beekeeping organizations for folks to contact. The April issue of BEE CULTURE has suck a list that we could probably scan and post. They are listed by state and county/province for the US and Canada, if I remember correctly. Maybe we can add the ones for other countries that are represented here. Just a thought... -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | Where a social revolution is pending and, University Of Scranton | for whatever reason, is not accomplished, ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | reaction is the alternative. ddc1@SCRANTON | -Daniel De Leon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rbrown Fri Apr 15 10:08:32 EDT 1994 Article: 2 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rbrown From: rbrown@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Rich Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A lesson for us all Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 22:14:58 GMT Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1994Apr14.221458.25556@ncsa.uiuc.edu> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: space.ncsa.uiuc.edu Originator: rbrown@space.ncsa.uiuc.edu This is really an amazing coincidence. I just finished typing a story I wanted to share with the group, about a similar incident that happened to me! In article <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dbush@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Bush) writes: >I was working as an apprentice one summer a few years back. Went to take a >swig of water through my veil. One sneaky devil got me on the upper lip. >My co-workers thought I looked just swell, ha ha ha. So watch out for the >sneaky ones! If this message serves to save one person's lips it will not >have been in vain. :(() > >David I was much luckier than David. I managed not to get stung. The story follows in a separate post. Rich -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rbrown Fri Apr 15 10:08:33 EDT 1994 Article: 3 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rbrown From: rbrown@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Rich Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Grandma Kept Bees Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 22:18:54 GMT Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois Lines: 129 Message-ID: <1994Apr14.221854.25726@ncsa.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: space.ncsa.uiuc.edu Originator: rbrown@space.ncsa.uiuc.edu Just wanted to say hello to all beekeepers. Although I haven't had my hand in for a while, I used to help my grandma with her hives when I was a kid. I expect that when I retire I will keep a couple of hives, just for old times' sake. When I was a teenager in the 60's and couldn't get a real job, my grandma hired me at 65 cents an hour to help her with her business. Since it was agricultural in nature, she was exempt from the minimum wage laws. At that time there were no penalties either, for hiring illegal aliens, so she did that too. No, I wasn't a "wetback" but I worked alongside several. Shrewd businesswoman that my grandma was, I and my Mexican co-workers were a source of cheap labor for her. I'm originally from southeastern New Mexico (virtual Texas, really), and I guess you could say my grandma was the "Queen Bee" of honey-farming in that region. She had over 200 hives scattered over as many square miles, and each day around sunrise -- except on Sundays -- we'd hop into her old Ford pickup with our sack lunches, plenty of water, and the back end filled with empty supers and hive tools. Not that the supers were _really_ empty: Each one had (is it 10 or 12?) frames in it, and each frame held a latticework of beeswax honeycomb, empty but eager to be filled with sweet nectar. Then we'd drive to one of the 35 or so places where there would be a half-dozen hives, and start robbing honey. Usually it was just the three of us, Grandma, Jorge and me, and by the time we'd hit each location, the hives we'd started at would be full again, and the cycle would continue. Sometimes we'd manage to hit two places per day, sometimes only one. Often there would be a two-hour drive each way, since the area is in the Great Chihuahuan Desert, and water was scarce. Only some parts of the region are arable, so the hives were mostly near farms that were watered by irrigation. Some hives were actually _in_ the desert though, so that Grandma could market her "Cactus Honey" too, along with the more plentiful clover and alfalfa honeys. It was easy for Grandma to persuade the farmers to let us put the hives on their land, since as every good farmer knows, bees are essential for pollination. Now, my grandma was an avid fly-fisherman, so it was no accident that many of the sites were near fishing holes. Many were the times when we'd park the truck, pile out, and Grandma would say, "Start with that'n yonder, I'm gonna see if the fish are bitin'." Then she'd disappear over the ridge and go down by the river, under a shade tree, and start casting. Meanwhile, Jorge and I would be suited up from head to toe in our gear, sweating in the 100-degree heat (but it was a _dry_ heat), stuffing old rags into our smokers and getting ready to rob the hives. Smart woman, my grandma. Prying the lid off the topmost super of a hive, we'd check its contents. If it wasn't full yet, and all capped off, we'd use the smokers to encourage the bees to descend into the next lower super. Then we'd dislodge the topmost one and set it aside. Usually that second super was full -- Grandma had an uncanny knack for getting the hives to just the right height so that we never had to set the second one aside too, since the bees filled the supers from the bottom up. They were very cooperative, I thought. Well, then we'd continue gently blowing the smoke into the super, and most of the bees would gladly crawl down toward the queen, in the bottom of the hive. Sometimes a few particularly diligent workers would refuse to budge. Prying loose a frame and removing it from the super with a clamp, we used brushes to flick those little gals back into the hive. Then we'd set each bulging frame into an empty super; when a super was loaded with frames, Jorge and I would take turns carrying the eighty-pound load back to the pickup. Whoever wasn't hauling a super that time would pry the now-empty super off the hive, and begin the process once more. We'd carry a "fresh" super back from the truck each time we hauled a full one. Usually we didn't rob the super just above the queen's oversized "super" at the bottom of the hive (I forget the technical term for it). Instead, we'd pry it loose from the queen's super, and hold it aside for a few seconds, filled with honey and buzzing bees -- must've weighed a hundred pounds. Then we'd place a fresh super directly above the queen's, and place the unrobbed super atop that. Then we'd stack the rest of the fresh supers above it, and replace the lid. Now we were ready to rob the next hive. But first it was _breaktime_! I remember that hives seemed to have "moods". Sometimes the least wisp of smoke would seem to put the whole hive to sleep, and it was very easy to rob the hive without any argument from the bees. Other times it seemed as if the hive was collectively saying, "Not now! We've got work to do!" and we'd have to smoke and brush, smoke and brush, constantly to coerce the little devils into letting us collect the fruits of their labor. I always thought it had something to do with the weather -- humidity or temperature or barometric pressure, or wind or something. I remember that desert anthills too would be quite busy just before a rainstorm, and I thought it must be an adaptive behavior of colonial insects, to be able to predict the weather, or something like that. One day while I was taking a break, I removed my gloves and my netted hat and took a long drink of cold water. Closing my eyes to keep out the sweat, I mopped my brow with a big bandana. The gentle wind felt good, evaporating the sweat as it still oozed from my pores. I turned to face the sun with my eyes remaining closed and just basked there for a moment, breathing deeply. I felt something tickling my upper lip and thought, "It could be just a fly, but it might be a bee or a yellowjacket or even a mud-dauber. Or it might be that loco Jorge playing a trick on me." In any case, I figured, it would be best to ignore my first impulse, to reach up and scratch my lip. So, other- wise still motionless, I opened my eyes and looked crosseyed past my nose, down at my lip. There she was, walking this way and that, her multi-faceted eyes peering up my right nostril. No! Don't even think about it! Well, sure enough, the warm moist cavern must have looked like an ineresting place to explore, and that little bee crawled right in. I almost panicked, but I had the presence of mind to breathe in slowly and deeply as I lifted my left hand. Pressing my left nostril closed, I then performed the "farmer blow" and ejected her as if she were so much snot. I felt sorry for her, but it was either her or me! Unaware of my predicament, Jorge and Grandma had a little trouble at first understanding why I had suddenly started pacing vigorously back and forth as I launched into the most proverbial cursing-a-blue-streak that they'd ever heard from me. It only took a few minutes before I calmed down enough to explain to them what had happened. My grandmother was a remakable woman. At a time when most women did not even work outside the home, she had already spent 35 years in business for herself. She retired from beekeeping, but before that she had engaged in a number of other businesses. I will always remember her as a liberated woman, years ahead of her time. Maybe I'll post some more remembrances another day. But now, it's _breaktime_! Rich -- -- Rich Brown, Programmer, Computing & Communications National Center for Supercomputing Applications University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf Fri Apr 15 10:08:34 EDT 1994 Article: 4 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grandma Kept Bees Date: 14 Apr 1994 23:53:50 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 6 Message-ID: <2okl2e$q6e@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1994Apr14.221854.25726@ncsa.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Thanks, your story removed me from my long day...and out to the bee-yard. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf Fri Apr 15 10:08:35 EDT 1994 Article: 5 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 15 Apr 1994 00:20:08 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 10 Message-ID: <2okmjo$qu0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] I think Mr. Rick Hough is working on a FAQ. rshough@tasc.com He might need some help/suggestions. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!panix!not-for-mail Fri Apr 15 10:08:36 EDT 1994 Article: 6 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!panix!not-for-mail From: nhirsch@panix.com (Norman Hirsch) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grandma Kept Bees Date: 14 Apr 1994 21:24:01 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 6 Message-ID: <2okqbh$mkd@panix.com> References: <1994Apr14.221854.25726@ncsa.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com nice article. I'm an ex-beekeeper now living in New York City. I'd be interested in hearing about anyone keeping bees in a big city. Best regards, Norman Hirsch From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!usenet Fri Apr 15 10:08:37 EDT 1994 Article: 7 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!usenet From: strow@umbc.edu (L. Larrabee Strow) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Tree Date: 15 Apr 1994 01:57:09 GMT Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County Lines: 15 Sender: umbc7 Message-ID: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: turnip.umbc.edu X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0.1b19@turnip.umbc.edu X-Authenticated: umbc7 on Unix host umbc7.umbc.edu After having at least one hive for about 12 years I lost my bees to thoractic mites 2 years ago. Since I have my own business, 2 small kids,too many gardens etc. ,I have not had time to get it together for another hive. I have been lamenting that I have no bees on the property and since I was the only beekeeper in the neighborhood I really felt the loss. I was so excited to see that we have a real bee tree down near our creek. It seems very active and they are about15 feet up going in under a dead branch. I love having them even if I never harvest . Has anyone had a long time bee tree? Was it a stable hive ? I'd love more info.and or stories. Thank you and I know I have so much to learn. Van Wensil From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!ctc.com!news.cs.umb.edu!hsdndev!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!saturn.caps.maine.edu!maine.maine.edu!meljohn Fri Apr 15 10:08:38 EDT 1994 Article: 8 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!ctc.com!news.cs.umb.edu!hsdndev!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!saturn.caps.maine.edu!maine.maine.edu!meljohn Organization: University of Maine System Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 19:33:51 EDT From: Message-ID: <94104.193351MELJOHN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for books References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> Lines: 19 The books are: Aebi, Ormond and Harry. The Art and Adventure of Beekeeping. Santa Cruz, Ca.: Unity Press, 1975. (Reprint: Emmaus, Pa.: Rodale Press, 1983.) Aebi, Ormond and Harry. Mastering the Art of Beekeeping. Santa Cruz, Ca.: Unity Press, 1979. They are out of print. If you want copies of them, do the following: a) Contact a local used book dealer and ask her to do a search for you. It'll cost you a buck or so and you might get lucky. Or, b) Go to your local library with the info above and ask them to get them for y you on inter-library loan. Once you have your hands on them I'm sure you can f figure what to do! BTW, I thought this was SCI.agriculture.beekeeping and already ART is rearing its ugly head! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng Fri Apr 15 10:08:40 EDT 1994 Article: 9 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng From: pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 15 Apr 1994 03:11:22 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Lines: 20 Message-ID: <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> <2okmjo$qu0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu In article <2okmjo$qu0@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Adam Finkelstein wrote: > I think Mr. Rick Hough is working on a FAQ. >rshough@tasc.com >He might need some help/suggestions. > >Adam Perhaps Tom Sanford (U. of Florida) and Eric Mussen (UC Davis) can be persuaded to post their respective newsletters on this group. Any beekeepers in the Chicago area who will let me at their drones?!! Cheers! Paul -- Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) Northwestern University Medical School, MSTP-1 Ward Bldg. Box 213 Chicago, IL 60611 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!panix!ddsw1!not-for-mail Fri Apr 15 10:08:41 EDT 1994 Article: 10 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!panix!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: justice@MCS.COM (Michael Justice) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What to do about mites? (was Re: Bee Tree) Date: 15 Apr 1994 00:07:45 -0500 Organization: MCSNet Subscriber, Chicago, IL Lines: 18 Distribution: na Message-ID: <2ol7f1$sav@genesis.MCS.COM> References: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: genesis.mcs.com In article <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> strow@umbc.edu (L. Larrabee Strow) writes: > After having at least one hive for about 12 years I lost my bees to >thoractic mites 2 years ago. What can small beekeepers do about mites, and does anyone know how they get spread?? Both of the beekeepers I know have lost all their hives (four for one, six for the other) to the evil little buggers. This was years ago, about the time that the mites started making headlines. I read somewhere that placing blocks coated with menthol in the hives can kill the mites, but will also ruin the honey. -- Michael. -- Michael A. Justice \ "Bizarre diseases will continue to spawn in the justice@genesis.mcs.com) developing countries. We're all hoping for one NRA Life / ILA / TCA / that kills only lawyers." -- P.J. O'Rourke Libertarian Party / PGP PUBLIC KEY: finger -l justice@genesis.mcs.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!rah Fri Apr 15 10:08:41 EDT 1994 Article: 11 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!rah From: rah@netcom.com (Richard Hyde) Subject: Re: Looking for books Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 05:25:11 GMT Lines: 15 Chris Gonna' Find Ray Charles Tate (fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov) wrote: : I'm trying to locate the books by the Aebi's. The first is called : "Mastering the Art of Beekeeping;" I can't recall the name of the : second. As far as I know, the Aebi's still live in Santa Cruz, CA. You might try calling them. I really enjoyed those books, but looking at my shelf I seem to have misplaced mine :-( Rick -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Richard Hyde | RaH@netcom.com | This space intentionally left blank | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Fri Apr 15 10:08:42 EDT 1994 Article: 12 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: matchstic@aol.com (Matchstic) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for books Date: 15 Apr 1994 01:11:08 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2ol7lc$shm@search01.news.aol.com> References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com In article <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov>, fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov (Chris Gonna' Find Ray Charles Tate) writes: Try Wicwas Press They have a great list both of current books in print and an equally neat list of older and antique books. 1-203-250-7575 Hope this helps mike vincent matchstic@aol.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Fri Apr 15 10:08:43 EDT 1994 Article: 13 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: matchstic@aol.com (Matchstic) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newsletter swap Date: 15 Apr 1994 01:14:05 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 6 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2ol7qt$sic@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com Im looking for Bee associations around the world to swap newsletters with. I'm the editor of my local hobbiest group's newsletter. It comes out monthly ,usually 4 pages. Any takers? mike vincent matchstic@aol.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!tudelft.nl!et.tudelft.nl!ddtc.et.tudelft.nl!wekken Fri Apr 15 10:08:44 EDT 1994 Article: 14 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!tudelft.nl!et.tudelft.nl!ddtc.et.tudelft.nl!wekken Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Allergic reaction Message-ID: <1994Apr15.110622.3121@et.tudelft.nl> From: wekken@ddtc.et.tudelft.nl (Peter van der Wekken) Date: 15 Apr 94 11:06:21 +0200 Distribution: world Nntp-Posting-Host: ddtc.et.tudelft.nl Lines: 12 Hi beekeepers, Does anyone know of a cure and/or medication against allergic reactions from a bee-sting. -- Peter van der Wekken Delft University of Technology Phone: +31 15 781708 Department of Electrical Engineering Telefax: +31 15 623271 DIMES Design and Test Centre, 16th floor Mekelweg 4, Delft 2628 CD The Netherlands From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!cs.uiuc.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!lhc!nih-csl!FAXCSL!FIXER Fri Apr 15 10:08:45 EDT 1994 Article: 15 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!cs.uiuc.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!lhc!nih-csl!FAXCSL!FIXER From: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov (Chris Gonna' Find Ray Charles Tate) Subject: Looking for books Message-ID: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster) Reply-To: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov Organization: DCRT, NIH, Bethesda, MD Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 18:39:55 GMT Lines: 14 I'm trying to locate the books by the Aebi's. The first is called "Mastering the Art of Beekeeping;" I can't recall the name of the second. Border's bookstore here doesn't have them listed, and so I suspect that they're out of print. Does anyone know where I might locate a copy, or perhaps write to a publisher for a stock copy (or at worst, copy permission, on the off-chance that I could ever find a library copy of one)? --------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Tate | "So he dropped the heart - MSD, Inc. | the floor's clean." fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov | - Sidney Harris From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf Fri Apr 15 10:08:46 EDT 1994 Article: 16 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for books Date: 15 Apr 1994 10:32:05 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 11 Message-ID: <2olqf5$kt4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> <94104.193351MELJOHN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] : BTW, I thought this was SCI.agriculture.beekeeping and already ART is rearing : its ugly head! AGRICULTURE takes the ART part, for agriculture is truly a blending between art and science! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!noc.near.net!ll.mit.edu!jfinn Fri Apr 15 10:08:47 EDT 1994 Article: 17 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!noc.near.net!ll.mit.edu!jfinn From: jfinn@ll.mit.edu (Joe Finnivan) Subject: How much time ? Message-ID: <1994Apr15.102013.7264@ll.mit.edu> Originator: jfinn@ll.mit.edu (Joe Finnivan) Sender: news@ll.mit.edu Reply-To: jfinn@ll.mit.edu (Joe Finnivan) Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 10:20:13 GMT Lines: 18 I'm happy to see this new group. I don't keep bees but have been interested and toying with the idea for years. I live on a 5 acre piece of land that is mostly a grassy field with scattered trees. I'm going to be planting a dozen fruit trees next week and I'm giving serious though to starting some hives. My question is this: How much time can I expect to be spending maintaining a few hives ? Do I have to work at them every day, every few days, etc ? Also, how much honey can I expect to get from a few hives ? Thanks for any help. Joe jfinn@ll.mit.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 Fri Apr 15 22:46:34 EDT 1994 Article: 18 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 15 Apr 94 06:56:35 EST Organization: University of Scranton Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1994Apr15.065635.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> References: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> <2okmjo$qu0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.cs.uofs.edu In article <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu>, pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) writes: > > Any beekeepers in the Chicago area who will let me at their drones?!! HEY! Take it to alt.sex, buddy! Boy Start a nice little group about beekeeping and all the sickos show up...SHEESH! 8-} ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | Where a social revolution is pending and, University Of Scranton | for whatever reason, is not accomplished, ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | reaction is the alternative. ddc1@SCRANTON | -Daniel De Leon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!roentgen.demon.co.uk!david Fri Apr 15 22:46:35 EDT 1994 Article: 19 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: david@roentgen.demon.co.uk (Dr David Lauckner) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!roentgen.demon.co.uk!david Subject: Re: Allergic reaction Organization: Wansbeck Radiology Department X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 References: <1994Apr15.110622.3121@et.tudelft.nl> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 13:08:52 +0000 Message-ID: Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Lines: 35 wekken@ddtc.et.tudelft.nl (Peter van der Wekken) writes: : Hi beekeepers, : : Does anyone know of a cure and/or medication against allergic reactions : from a bee-sting. : I used to suffer for a few days after a bee sting; painful itching in an area 5-10 cms across around the sting point. Perhaps the most annoying part was the sensitivity in this area which would flare up again with minimal provocation. After 4 days or so it would have settled completely. I felt that an antihistamine might help in moderating the primary response and decresing the sensitivity to recurrent itching over the following days. The newer antihistamines have a rapid onset of action and much less sedative side effect; additionally they are now available over the counter from pharmacies. What I do is to take a tablet with me to the hives and take it (slip it up under my veil) as soon as I feel a sting. This takes a matter of a few seconds. I do not generally take one before going to the hives although this would be quite reasonable. (but more expensive!) Since adopting this policy I have found that I am happier when in among the bees, and if I do get a sting I don't have the after effects. Drugs used: Terfenadine, Cetirizine Disclaimer: This is not necessarily sound medical advice; it is just what I have found to be useful as a beekeeper. -- Dr David Lauckner Phone: 0670-521212 Wansbeck General Hospital Fax: 0670-529778 ASHINGTON, Northumberland e-mail: david@roentgen.demon.co.uk United Kingdom. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!csc.canberra.edu.au!student!u914097 Fri Apr 15 22:46:36 EDT 1994 Article: 20 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!csc.canberra.edu.au!student!u914097 From: u914097@student.canberra.edu.au (Feldman / Mark Jeffrey (ISE)) Subject: Is anyone working on a FAQ? Message-ID: <1994Apr15.152330.738@csc.canberra.edu.au> Sender: news@csc.canberra.edu.au Nntp-Posting-Host: student.canberra.edu.au Organization: University of Canberra Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 15:23:30 GMT Lines: 13 Subject line says it all! Anyone working on a FAQ to answer things like: I wanna start my very own hive, how do I do this? How much will a setup cost? How much honey will I get? But won't I get stung????? etc... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Feldman \\_==_o Skydivers do E-mail : u914097@student.canberra.edu.au \\ it at 120mph.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!apollo1.cacd.rockwell.com!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vincent2.iastate.edu!adwright Fri Apr 15 22:46:38 EDT 1994 Article: 21 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!apollo1.cacd.rockwell.com!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vincent2.iastate.edu!adwright From: adwright@iastate.edu () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WHy did my bees die this winter? Date: 15 Apr 94 15:26:36 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Lines: 32 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: vincent2.iastate.edu This is my first hive. Things seemed to be ok. I had the varora mite strips in there and put on menthol in the fall for tracheal mites. The -23 F lows concerned me, but two days after that i put my ear to the hive and heard a lot of buzzing. We had another cold snap but i could still hear the buzzing, but this time could see a lot of dead beed that were thrown out by their live brethern. I checked a week later and all were dead. I opened the hive to find several full combs of capped honey in places yet all were dead. The thing that seemed wierd was many of them were dead right on the comb with their heads inside the cells. Many more were on the baseboard. They were not any funny looking color, they looked like bees do whern alive, so i guess that rules out chalkbrood and foulbrood. Some were so intact looking sitting on the combs that if i photographed them it would appear that i had photographed live bees. Know what I mean? I tried to find the queen but could not, though its very possible i overlooked her. Does the fact that bees were found (dead) in several places in the hive might mean she died and they were scattered? Any clues as to what happened? I had not given them any antibiotics, is that a mistake? I fed them all summer and took no honey since i wanted them to be strong for the next year. It is a big disappointment. Hope someone can help me figure what i did wrong. Many thanks Allen -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!news.tek.com!gazette!gazette!not-for-mail Fri Apr 15 22:46:39 EDT 1994 Article: 22 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!news.tek.com!gazette!gazette!not-for-mail From: edbu@sepia.wv.tek.com (Ed Burress) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A lesson for us all Date: 15 Apr 1994 08:54:20 -0700 Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <2omdbcINN43g@sepia.wv.tek.com> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sepia.wv.tek.com In article <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dbush@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Bush) writes: >swig of water through my veil. One sneaky devil got me on the upper lip. David, I have found that a sports-type squeeze bottle works well for this application. It can be a little messy at first, but with practice works well. Never had one on the upper lip, Ouch! On an unrelated note, has anyone heard of mites invading and destroying hives? My mother who lives in the mid Willamette valley says that her hives, as well as the neighbors (a large honey producer in the area) lost all of his hives. Apparently, these mites have been responsible for destruction of quite a few hives in Oregon and southern Washington. She just replaced her bees with a new shipment that is supposed to be more resistant to the mites. Anybody else heard of these, or lost any hives as a result? -Ed From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.amherst.edu!not-for-mail Fri Apr 15 22:46:40 EDT 1994 Article: 23 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.amherst.edu!not-for-mail From: nwbernst@unix.amherst.edu (Neil Bernstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Vergil's Fourth Georgic Date: 15 Apr 1994 12:08:47 -0400 Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA, USA Lines: 7 Message-ID: <2ome6f$9jb@amhux3.amherst.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Would anyone like to discuss Vergil's Fourth Georgic (the book on bees)? I'll post more when I've finished it... - Neil Bernstein -- nwbernst@unix.amherst.edu, lentus in umbra | nudus ara, sere nudus... in omnibus requiem quaesivi, et nusquam inveni nisi in angulo cum libro From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!news.tek.com!gazette!gazette!not-for-mail Fri Apr 15 22:46:41 EDT 1994 Article: 24 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!news.tek.com!gazette!gazette!not-for-mail From: weedk@salmon.wv.tek.com (Kirk A Weedman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Date: 15 Apr 1994 10:09:27 -0700 Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <2omho7INNfcb@salmon.wv.tek.com> References: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: salmon.wv.tek.com I'm planting a few acres of fruit trees this year and would like to have some bees. I'm sure the other farmers around me would like it too. So what would I need to start a beehive and how many bees/acre of apple trees would I need? If X is the amount then would 2X or more be better or matter since there are hundreds of acres of farming around me? Kirk weedk@salmon.wv.tek.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear Fri Apr 15 22:46:44 EDT 1994 Article: 25 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do about mites? (was Re: Bee Tree) Date: 15 Apr 1994 16:23:49 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 9 Distribution: na Message-ID: <2omf2l$869@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> <2ol7f1$sav@genesis.MCS.COM> Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] i lost my single hive to varroa last season. i'll be replacing it with two more. i'm told that you must use varroa strips and remove them well before harvesting. maybe someone else has had experience with the strips. btw, i'm in southern california. regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov all disclaimers apply From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear Fri Apr 15 22:46:46 EDT 1994 Article: 26 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A lesson for us all Date: 15 Apr 1994 17:31:48 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 21 Message-ID: <2omj24$bt9@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <2omdbcINN43g@sepia.wv.tek.com> Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Ed Burress (edbu@sepia.wv.tek.com) wrote: [much deleted . . .] : On an unrelated note, has anyone heard of mites invading and destroying hives? : My mother who lives in the mid Willamette valley says that her hives, as well : as the neighbors (a large honey producer in the area) lost all of his hives. : Apparently, these mites have been responsible for destruction of quite a few : hives in Oregon and southern Washington. She just replaced her bees with a : new shipment that is supposed to be more resistant to the mites. Anybody else : heard of these, or lost any hives as a result? [more deletions . . .] as i said elsewhere, i lost my only hive to mites . . . the bees abscond, leaving an incredibly clean hive behind! mites are becoming endemic in the u.s., i guess. there are medicated varroa strips that you can use, but you must remove the strips some considerable time before harvesting honey. regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov all disclaimers apply From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Fri Apr 15 22:46:48 EDT 1994 Article: 27 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 15 Apr 1994 17:43:20 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2omjnp$38s@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> References: <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com This newsgroup is great! Anyone know where I can get one of Dadant's out-of-print books on Bees and The Law? It was written by someone in Virginia. Also, I have postscript files of 4 articles that I published in ABJ last year on Beekeeping Business plans, finance applied to bee operations and one that I did on analyzing the affect of imported honey. Will internet handle postscript docs? David MacFawn Master Beekeeper Raleigh, North Carolina From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!crash!donb Fri Apr 15 22:46:51 EDT 1994 Article: 28 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!crash!donb From: donb@crash.cts.com (Donald Bowen) Subject: Bees and supers wanted Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET/crash), San Diego, CA Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 14:38:43 GMT Message-ID: Sender: news@crash.cts.com (news subsystem) Nntp-Posting-Host: crash.cts.com Lines: 4 I am looking for some bees for sale in Souhern California. A friend is looking for some supers. DonB From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!nih-csl!FAXCSL!FIXER Fri Apr 15 22:46:52 EDT 1994 Article: 29 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!nih-csl!FAXCSL!FIXER From: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov (Chris Gonna' Find Ray Charles Tate) Subject: Re: Looking for books Message-ID: <1994Apr15.142115.20369@alw.nih.gov> Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster) Reply-To: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov Organization: DCRT, NIH, Bethesda, MD References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov>,<94104.193351MELJOHN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 14:21:15 GMT Lines: 31 In article <94104.193351MELJOHN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, writes: >The books are: > > Aebi, Ormond and Harry. The Art and Adventure of Beekeeping. > Santa Cruz, Ca.: Unity Press, 1975. (Reprint: Emmaus, Pa.: > Rodale Press, 1983.) > > Aebi, Ormond and Harry. Mastering the Art of Beekeeping. Santa > Cruz, Ca.: Unity Press, 1979. > > [... deletions ...] > >BTW, I thought this was SCI.agriculture.beekeeping and already ART is rearing >its ugly head! No smiley? I'll take this as it stands, then.... I *believe* the Aebis hold the record for the most honey taken from a single hive in a single (season? visit?). On that strength alone I'd say their books deserve a serious look by any serious beekeeping aficionado. >From an outside reference to the books, I gather that they also didn't use much in the way of protective garb, smoke, &c., so I'm curious as to their approach. (I'll forbear from an argument about whether or not it is desirable or even possible to divorce science and art. :-) --------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Tate | "So he dropped the heart - MSD, Inc. | the floor's clean." fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov | - Sidney Harris From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Fri Apr 15 22:46:53 EDT 1994 Article: 30 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do about mites? (was Re: Bee Tree) Date: 15 Apr 1994 17:57:45 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2omkip$38s@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> References: <2ol7f1$sav@genesis.MCS.COM> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com > After having at least one hive for about 12 years I lost my bees to >thoractic mites 2 years ago. >What can small beekeepers do about mites, and does anyone know how they >get spread?? Both of the beekeepers I know have lost all their hives >(four for one, six for the other) to the evil little buggers. This was >years ago, about the time that the mites started making headlines. >I read somewhere that placing blocks coated with menthol in the hives >can kill the mites, but will also ruin the honey. It depends on what type of mites your a speaking about. For Tracheal mites, menthol works if the temperature is warm. A lot of the bees today are just now starting to development some resistance to Tracheal mites. During the last several years we have had a high hive mortality due to this mite but, the mites killed their hosts which ment they also died. In nature for the mite to survive, the host or bee must also survive and not bee killed. So, we are starting to see some resistance to the Tracheal mite. Vegetable Shorting / sugar patties are also showing promise for controlling Tracheal, there was another article in either ABJ or Bee Culture on vegetable shorting patties this month. Varroa mite is another story. You need to use Apistan strips in the hive and not use the strips approx 6 weeks before or during the honey flow. The strips should be left on 4-6 weeks, I can remember which, but read and follow the label directions. Make sure that you do not leave the strips on longer, since this is a pesticide and the Varrora may very well develop resistance to the Apistan. There already have been some reports of resistance to Apistan. We did have Miticur but it was recalled last year d ue to a law suit. The African bee is supposely resistant to both Tracheal and Varroa mites...maybe we can cross breed the littel devil. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear Fri Apr 15 22:46:54 EDT 1994 Article: 31 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and supers wanted Date: 15 Apr 1994 19:14:26 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 16 Message-ID: <2omp2i$bt9@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Donald Bowen (donb@crash.cts.com) wrote: : I am looking for some bees for sale in Souhern California. : A friend is looking for some supers. : DonB don - i'm getting two nuks from a fellow at l.a. honey. his name is chase walker and the number is 213-264-2383 . . . this will be the first time i get my bees from him, so i don't have any history to impart. regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov all disclaimers apply From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mark Fri Apr 15 22:46:56 EDT 1994 Article: 32 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mark From: mark@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (M.C. Rendina ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mites Date: 15 Apr 1994 19:55:20 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 18 Message-ID: <2omrf8$op3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <2omdbcINN43g@sepia.wv.tek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux1.cso.uiuc.edu edbu@sepia.wv.tek.com (Ed Burress) writes: >In article <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dbush@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Bush) >On an unrelated note, has anyone heard of mites invading and destroying hives? >My mother who lives in the mid Willamette valley says that her hives, as well >as the neighbors (a large honey producer in the area) lost all of his hives. >Apparently, these mites have been responsible for destruction of quite a few >hives in Oregon and southern Washington. She just replaced her bees with a >new shipment that is supposed to be more resistant to the mites. Anybody else >heard of these, or lost any hives as a result? Yep. Lost all three. Mites are everywhere. (I assume we're talking about the same tracheal mite?) In the Midwest, the bees live fine thru the summer (their life expectancy is shorter than it takes for the mites to kill them) but in the winter, the hive dies. A real bummer. I'd never lost a colony in the winter before. Ouch. Mark From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mark Fri Apr 15 22:46:57 EDT 1994 Article: 33 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mark From: mark@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (M.C. Rendina ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much time ? Date: 15 Apr 1994 20:04:10 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 37 Message-ID: <2omrvq$q6a@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1994Apr15.102013.7264@ll.mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux1.cso.uiuc.edu jfinn@ll.mit.edu (Joe Finnivan) writes: >I'm happy to see this new group. I don't keep bees >but have been interested and toying with the idea for >years. I'm happy to see it to. I got interested in bees when I saw a show on T.V. and then in junior high, I needed to build something in industrial arts! What a perfect combo! >I live on a 5 acre piece of land that is mostly >a grassy field with scattered trees. I'm going to be >planting a dozen fruit trees next week and I'm giving >serious though to starting some hives. My question >is this: How much time can I expect to be spending >maintaining a few hives ? When I asked this question as a young-un, a wise man reminded me that bees have lived for millions of years without us. >Do I have to work at them every day, every few days, etc ? If you're touching thme more than once a week, you're getting in their way. When I went away to college, my bees did just fine without me. I had to make sure the hive was the right size (mostly a spring-fall job), harvest the honey, and that's about it. >Also, how much honey can I expect to get from a few hives ? Anywhere from zip to (what's the record?) I think it was over 400 pounds. 50-100 is probably typical, but that's my midwestern hives. ===================================================================== Mark Rendina o ___ __ jedi@uiuc.edu __/\o_ __o < \ | | \ | University of Illinois _ \<_ _/\ | |_/ | (_)/(_) / Just | | \ | From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks Sat Apr 16 08:54:25 EDT 1994 Article: 34 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Distance between hives Date: 15 Apr 1994 22:15:14 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 12 Message-ID: <2on3li$rc6@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Howdy all, I've been lurking on BEE-L for a while now, awaiting the big day, which is today: as I type I've got two 3 lbs packages of bees buzzing at me from across the room. Needless to say I'm excited. Question that I can't find the answer to in any of the books I've got: How far apart should hives bee (min. and max.)? Does it even matter? Thanks, Jordan From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!clstac!pwtokar Sat Apr 16 08:54:29 EDT 1994 Article: 35 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!clstac!pwtokar From: pwtokar@csupomona.edu (Patrick Tokar) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: How much time? Date: 15 Apr 94 15:30:21 PST Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1994Apr15.153021.1@clstac> NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsb.is.csupomona.edu Really once a week is enough. Basically you just have to watch that there are no new queen cells (and if so why?) and check for disease and mites. Acarapis woodi and varroa jacobsoni are the only two mites you have to look out for. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cholley Sat Apr 16 08:54:31 EDT 1994 Article: 36 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cholley From: cholley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Catherine T Holley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help,please! Date: 16 Apr 1994 00:06:32 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <2ona68$n1n@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu I hope that this group will be able to help us out on a problem. If I'm in the wrong place, then just ignore this post. 3-4 years ago, a swarm of honey bees moved into the cinder blocks that make up our chimney. They're not in the chimney pipe, just the "honeycomb" that the cinderblocks form. Every few days one of the bees gets lost and works its way into the house, not really a problem for us, but deadly for the bee since they can't get out or get back into the hive. How do we get them out of the chimney without tearing it down? I don't want to destroy an entire hive of bees; something seems very criminal in this. I just want them out of the block. We live in a log cabin and I'm afraid that the honey will draw other unwanted guests that might find the logs an excellent home or an excellent addition to a meal. Any suggestions? Cathy Holley cholley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ames!erg.sri.com!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!bank.ecn.purdue.edu!mbrockma Sat Apr 16 08:54:32 EDT 1994 Article: 37 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ames!erg.sri.com!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!bank.ecn.purdue.edu!mbrockma From: mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman) Subject: Bumble vs. Honey Message-ID: Sender: news@noose.ecn.purdue.edu (USENET news) Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 01:23:05 GMT Lines: 13 Can someone tell me (e-mail preferred) the difference between a Bumble Bee and a normal Honey bee and any other major types of bees? Thanks, =============================================================================== Matt Brockman mbrockma@ecn.purdue.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "While a llama may produce some of the world's finest of wools, prized around the world, their breath, on the other hand, could only be prized somewhere in the far reaches of llama hell." =============================================================================== From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!blanket.mitre.org!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks Sat Apr 16 08:54:33 EDT 1994 Article: 38 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!blanket.mitre.org!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Questions from a beginner Date: 16 Apr 1994 03:58:24 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 28 Message-ID: <2onnp0$4ic@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Well, I put my two packages in their hives today, so I am now officially an apiarist. Many questions already, though, that hopefully some kind and knowledgeable soul will take a moment or two to answer: 1) My bees have found a knothole at the top and are going in and out of it, basically ignoring the more traditional (although slightly blocked by one of those wooden hole-maker-smaller-things) entrance at the bottom. Question is: is this a problem? Will they find the regular hole? Should I plug the knothole? 2) When I shook in my package, I was unable to get out a good 1/3 of them. All the books I read just said "some" would remain. Question is: does "some" = 1/3? Is this a problem? 3) Are there any organic approaches to disease control (Nosema, Foulbrood, mites, etc.)? I hate the idea of taking something as beautiful and natural as honey and fouling it with chemicals. Is there something I can plant in my garden? Some herb to cook in with the sugar syrup? Anyone doing research on this? 4) How many quart jars should I have at a time for a top feeder? There are slots for four, but is this necessary/recommended? How often should I refill them? As often as they're empty? The books I have seem to skip over these questions, so I'm hoping the vast world of the net will be able to help. Thanks in advance... Jordan From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!sarah!rpi!steel.arch.rpi.edu!mulder Sun Apr 17 11:14:16 EDT 1994 Article: 39 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!sarah!rpi!steel.arch.rpi.edu!mulder From: mulder@steel.arch.rpi.edu (Maarten M Mulder) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WHy did my bees die this winter? Date: 16 Apr 1994 06:17:40 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY. Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2onvu4$2ud@From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!birdie-blue.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 Mon Apr 18 09:25:54 EDT 1994 Article: 1 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!birdie-blue.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 14 Apr 94 16:53:43 EST Organization: University of Scranton Lines: 19 Message-ID: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.cs.uofs.edu Hi Folks! Now that we have a newsgroup, maybe we should try to come up with a FAQ...Anybody have any questions that they think should be there? How about having a list of beekeeping organizations for folks to contact. The April issue of BEE CULTURE has suck a list that we could probably scan and post. They are listed by state and county/province for the US and Canada, if I remember correctly. Maybe we can add the ones for other countries that are represented here. Just a thought... -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | Where a social revolution is pending and, University Of Scranton | for whatever reason, is not accomplished, ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | reaction is the alternative. ddc1@SCRANTON | -Daniel De Leon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rbrown Mon Apr 18 09:25:58 EDT 1994 Article: 2 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rbrown From: rbrown@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Rich Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A lesson for us all Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 22:14:58 GMT Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1994Apr14.221458.25556@ncsa.uiuc.edu> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: space.ncsa.uiuc.edu Originator: rbrown@space.ncsa.uiuc.edu This is really an amazing coincidence. I just finished typing a story I wanted to share with the group, about a similar incident that happened to me! In article <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dbush@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Bush) writes: >I was working as an apprentice one summer a few years back. Went to take a >swig of water through my veil. One sneaky devil got me on the upper lip. >My co-workers thought I looked just swell, ha ha ha. So watch out for the >sneaky ones! If this message serves to save one person's lips it will not >have been in vain. :(() > >David I was much luckier than David. I managed not to get stung. The story follows in a separate post. Rich -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rbrown Mon Apr 18 09:26:01 EDT 1994 Article: 3 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rbrown From: rbrown@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Rich Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Grandma Kept Bees Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 22:18:54 GMT Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois Lines: 129 Message-ID: <1994Apr14.221854.25726@ncsa.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: space.ncsa.uiuc.edu Originator: rbrown@space.ncsa.uiuc.edu Just wanted to say hello to all beekeepers. Although I haven't had my hand in for a while, I used to help my grandma with her hives when I was a kid. I expect that when I retire I will keep a couple of hives, just for old times' sake. When I was a teenager in the 60's and couldn't get a real job, my grandma hired me at 65 cents an hour to help her with her business. Since it was agricultural in nature, she was exempt from the minimum wage laws. At that time there were no penalties either, for hiring illegal aliens, so she did that too. No, I wasn't a "wetback" but I worked alongside several. Shrewd businesswoman that my grandma was, I and my Mexican co-workers were a source of cheap labor for her. I'm originally from southeastern New Mexico (virtual Texas, really), and I guess you could say my grandma was the "Queen Bee" of honey-farming in that region. She had over 200 hives scattered over as many square miles, and each day around sunrise -- except on Sundays -- we'd hop into her old Ford pickup with our sack lunches, plenty of water, and the back end filled with empty supers and hive tools. Not that the supers were _really_ empty: Each one had (is it 10 or 12?) frames in it, and each frame held a latticework of beeswax honeycomb, empty but eager to be filled with sweet nectar. Then we'd drive to one of the 35 or so places where there would be a half-dozen hives, and start robbing honey. Usually it was just the three of us, Grandma, Jorge and me, and by the time we'd hit each location, the hives we'd started at would be full again, and the cycle would continue. Sometimes we'd manage to hit two places per day, sometimes only one. Often there would be a two-hour drive each way, since the area is in the Great Chihuahuan Desert, and water was scarce. Only some parts of the region are arable, so the hives were mostly near farms that were watered by irrigation. Some hives were actually _in_ the desert though, so that Grandma could market her "Cactus Honey" too, along with the more plentiful clover and alfalfa honeys. It was easy for Grandma to persuade the farmers to let us put the hives on their land, since as every good farmer knows, bees are essential for pollination. Now, my grandma was an avid fly-fisherman, so it was no accident that many of the sites were near fishing holes. Many were the times when we'd park the truck, pile out, and Grandma would say, "Start with that'n yonder, I'm gonna see if the fish are bitin'." Then she'd disappear over the ridge and go down by the river, under a shade tree, and start casting. Meanwhile, Jorge and I would be suited up from head to toe in our gear, sweating in the 100-degree heat (but it was a _dry_ heat), stuffing old rags into our smokers and getting ready to rob the hives. Smart woman, my grandma. Prying the lid off the topmost super of a hive, we'd check its contents. If it wasn't full yet, and all capped off, we'd use the smokers to encourage the bees to descend into the next lower super. Then we'd dislodge the topmost one and set it aside. Usually that second super was full -- Grandma had an uncanny knack for getting the hives to just the right height so that we never had to set the second one aside too, since the bees filled the supers from the bottom up. They were very cooperative, I thought. Well, then we'd continue gently blowing the smoke into the super, and most of the bees would gladly crawl down toward the queen, in the bottom of the hive. Sometimes a few particularly diligent workers would refuse to budge. Prying loose a frame and removing it from the super with a clamp, we used brushes to flick those little gals back into the hive. Then we'd set each bulging frame into an empty super; when a super was loaded with frames, Jorge and I would take turns carrying the eighty-pound load back to the pickup. Whoever wasn't hauling a super that time would pry the now-empty super off the hive, and begin the process once more. We'd carry a "fresh" super back from the truck each time we hauled a full one. Usually we didn't rob the super just above the queen's oversized "super" at the bottom of the hive (I forget the technical term for it). Instead, we'd pry it loose from the queen's super, and hold it aside for a few seconds, filled with honey and buzzing bees -- must've weighed a hundred pounds. Then we'd place a fresh super directly above the queen's, and place the unrobbed super atop that. Then we'd stack the rest of the fresh supers above it, and replace the lid. Now we were ready to rob the next hive. But first it was _breaktime_! I remember that hives seemed to have "moods". Sometimes the least wisp of smoke would seem to put the whole hive to sleep, and it was very easy to rob the hive without any argument from the bees. Other times it seemed as if the hive was collectively saying, "Not now! We've got work to do!" and we'd have to smoke and brush, smoke and brush, constantly to coerce the little devils into letting us collect the fruits of their labor. I always thought it had something to do with the weather -- humidity or temperature or barometric pressure, or wind or something. I remember that desert anthills too would be quite busy just before a rainstorm, and I thought it must be an adaptive behavior of colonial insects, to be able to predict the weather, or something like that. One day while I was taking a break, I removed my gloves and my netted hat and took a long drink of cold water. Closing my eyes to keep out the sweat, I mopped my brow with a big bandana. The gentle wind felt good, evaporating the sweat as it still oozed from my pores. I turned to face the sun with my eyes remaining closed and just basked there for a moment, breathing deeply. I felt something tickling my upper lip and thought, "It could be just a fly, but it might be a bee or a yellowjacket or even a mud-dauber. Or it might be that loco Jorge playing a trick on me." In any case, I figured, it would be best to ignore my first impulse, to reach up and scratch my lip. So, other- wise still motionless, I opened my eyes and looked crosseyed past my nose, down at my lip. There she was, walking this way and that, her multi-faceted eyes peering up my right nostril. No! Don't even think about it! Well, sure enough, the warm moist cavern must have looked like an ineresting place to explore, and that little bee crawled right in. I almost panicked, but I had the presence of mind to breathe in slowly and deeply as I lifted my left hand. Pressing my left nostril closed, I then performed the "farmer blow" and ejected her as if she were so much snot. I felt sorry for her, but it was either her or me! Unaware of my predicament, Jorge and Grandma had a little trouble at first understanding why I had suddenly started pacing vigorously back and forth as I launched into the most proverbial cursing-a-blue-streak that they'd ever heard from me. It only took a few minutes before I calmed down enough to explain to them what had happened. My grandmother was a remakable woman. At a time when most women did not even work outside the home, she had already spent 35 years in business for herself. She retired from beekeeping, but before that she had engaged in a number of other businesses. I will always remember her as a liberated woman, years ahead of her time. Maybe I'll post some more remembrances another day. But now, it's _breaktime_! Rich -- -- Rich Brown, Programmer, Computing & Communications National Center for Supercomputing Applications University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf Mon Apr 18 09:26:06 EDT 1994 Article: 4 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grandma Kept Bees Date: 14 Apr 1994 23:53:50 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 6 Message-ID: <2okl2e$q6e@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1994Apr14.221854.25726@ncsa.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Thanks, your story removed me from my long day...and out to the bee-yard. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf Mon Apr 18 09:26:07 EDT 1994 Article: 5 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 15 Apr 1994 00:20:08 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 10 Message-ID: <2okmjo$qu0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] I think Mr. Rick Hough is working on a FAQ. rshough@tasc.com He might need some help/suggestions. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!panix!not-for-mail Mon Apr 18 09:26:09 EDT 1994 Article: 6 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!panix!not-for-mail From: nhirsch@panix.com (Norman Hirsch) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grandma Kept Bees Date: 14 Apr 1994 21:24:01 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 6 Message-ID: <2okqbh$mkd@panix.com> References: <1994Apr14.221854.25726@ncsa.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com nice article. I'm an ex-beekeeper now living in New York City. I'd be interested in hearing about anyone keeping bees in a big city. Best regards, Norman Hirsch From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!usenet Mon Apr 18 09:26:10 EDT 1994 Article: 7 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!usenet From: strow@umbc.edu (L. Larrabee Strow) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Tree Date: 15 Apr 1994 01:57:09 GMT Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County Lines: 15 Sender: umbc7 Message-ID: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: turnip.umbc.edu X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0.1b19@turnip.umbc.edu X-Authenticated: umbc7 on Unix host umbc7.umbc.edu After having at least one hive for about 12 years I lost my bees to thoractic mites 2 years ago. Since I have my own business, 2 small kids,too many gardens etc. ,I have not had time to get it together for another hive. I have been lamenting that I have no bees on the property and since I was the only beekeeper in the neighborhood I really felt the loss. I was so excited to see that we have a real bee tree down near our creek. It seems very active and they are about15 feet up going in under a dead branch. I love having them even if I never harvest . Has anyone had a long time bee tree? Was it a stable hive ? I'd love more info.and or stories. Thank you and I know I have so much to learn. Van Wensil From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!ctc.com!news.cs.umb.edu!hsdndev!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!saturn.caps.maine.edu!maine.maine.edu!meljohn Mon Apr 18 09:26:12 EDT 1994 Article: 8 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!ctc.com!news.cs.umb.edu!hsdndev!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!saturn.caps.maine.edu!maine.maine.edu!meljohn Organization: University of Maine System Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 19:33:51 EDT From: Message-ID: <94104.193351MELJOHN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for books References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> Lines: 19 The books are: Aebi, Ormond and Harry. The Art and Adventure of Beekeeping. Santa Cruz, Ca.: Unity Press, 1975. (Reprint: Emmaus, Pa.: Rodale Press, 1983.) Aebi, Ormond and Harry. Mastering the Art of Beekeeping. Santa Cruz, Ca.: Unity Press, 1979. They are out of print. If you want copies of them, do the following: a) Contact a local used book dealer and ask her to do a search for you. It'll cost you a buck or so and you might get lucky. Or, b) Go to your local library with the info above and ask them to get them for y you on inter-library loan. Once you have your hands on them I'm sure you can f figure what to do! BTW, I thought this was SCI.agriculture.beekeeping and already ART is rearing its ugly head! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng Mon Apr 18 09:26:13 EDT 1994 Article: 9 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng From: pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 15 Apr 1994 03:11:22 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Lines: 20 Message-ID: <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> <2okmjo$qu0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu In article <2okmjo$qu0@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Adam Finkelstein wrote: > I think Mr. Rick Hough is working on a FAQ. >rshough@tasc.com >He might need some help/suggestions. > >Adam Perhaps Tom Sanford (U. of Florida) and Eric Mussen (UC Davis) can be persuaded to post their respective newsletters on this group. Any beekeepers in the Chicago area who will let me at their drones?!! Cheers! Paul -- Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) Northwestern University Medical School, MSTP-1 Ward Bldg. Box 213 Chicago, IL 60611 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!panix!ddsw1!not-for-mail Mon Apr 18 09:26:14 EDT 1994 Article: 10 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!panix!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: justice@MCS.COM (Michael Justice) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What to do about mites? (was Re: Bee Tree) Date: 15 Apr 1994 00:07:45 -0500 Organization: MCSNet Subscriber, Chicago, IL Lines: 18 Distribution: na Message-ID: <2ol7f1$sav@genesis.MCS.COM> References: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: genesis.mcs.com In article <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> strow@umbc.edu (L. Larrabee Strow) writes: > After having at least one hive for about 12 years I lost my bees to >thoractic mites 2 years ago. What can small beekeepers do about mites, and does anyone know how they get spread?? Both of the beekeepers I know have lost all their hives (four for one, six for the other) to the evil little buggers. This was years ago, about the time that the mites started making headlines. I read somewhere that placing blocks coated with menthol in the hives can kill the mites, but will also ruin the honey. -- Michael. -- Michael A. Justice \ "Bizarre diseases will continue to spawn in the justice@genesis.mcs.com) developing countries. We're all hoping for one NRA Life / ILA / TCA / that kills only lawyers." -- P.J. O'Rourke Libertarian Party / PGP PUBLIC KEY: finger -l justice@genesis.mcs.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!rah Mon Apr 18 09:26:15 EDT 1994 Article: 11 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!rah From: rah@netcom.com (Richard Hyde) Subject: Re: Looking for books Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 05:25:11 GMT Lines: 15 Chris Gonna' Find Ray Charles Tate (fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov) wrote: : I'm trying to locate the books by the Aebi's. The first is called : "Mastering the Art of Beekeeping;" I can't recall the name of the : second. As far as I know, the Aebi's still live in Santa Cruz, CA. You might try calling them. I really enjoyed those books, but looking at my shelf I seem to have misplaced mine :-( Rick -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Richard Hyde | RaH@netcom.com | This space intentionally left blank | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Mon Apr 18 09:26:16 EDT 1994 Article: 12 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: matchstic@aol.com (Matchstic) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for books Date: 15 Apr 1994 01:11:08 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2ol7lc$shm@search01.news.aol.com> References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com In article <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov>, fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov (Chris Gonna' Find Ray Charles Tate) writes: Try Wicwas Press They have a great list both of current books in print and an equally neat list of older and antique books. 1-203-250-7575 Hope this helps mike vincent matchstic@aol.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Mon Apr 18 09:26:18 EDT 1994 Article: 13 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!charnel.net.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: matchstic@aol.com (Matchstic) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newsletter swap Date: 15 Apr 1994 01:14:05 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 6 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2ol7qt$sic@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com Im looking for Bee associations around the world to swap newsletters with. I'm the editor of my local hobbiest group's newsletter. It comes out monthly ,usually 4 pages. Any takers? mike vincent matchstic@aol.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!tudelft.nl!et.tudelft.nl!ddtc.et.tudelft.nl!wekken Mon Apr 18 09:26:20 EDT 1994 Article: 14 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!tudelft.nl!et.tudelft.nl!ddtc.et.tudelft.nl!wekken Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Allergic reaction Message-ID: <1994Apr15.110622.3121@et.tudelft.nl> From: wekken@ddtc.et.tudelft.nl (Peter van der Wekken) Date: 15 Apr 94 11:06:21 +0200 Distribution: world Nntp-Posting-Host: ddtc.et.tudelft.nl Lines: 12 Hi beekeepers, Does anyone know of a cure and/or medication against allergic reactions from a bee-sting. -- Peter van der Wekken Delft University of Technology Phone: +31 15 781708 Department of Electrical Engineering Telefax: +31 15 623271 DIMES Design and Test Centre, 16th floor Mekelweg 4, Delft 2628 CD The Netherlands From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!cs.uiuc.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!lhc!nih-csl!FAXCSL!FIXER Mon Apr 18 09:26:21 EDT 1994 Article: 15 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!cs.uiuc.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!lhc!nih-csl!FAXCSL!FIXER From: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov (Chris Gonna' Find Ray Charles Tate) Subject: Looking for books Message-ID: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster) Reply-To: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov Organization: DCRT, NIH, Bethesda, MD Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 18:39:55 GMT Lines: 14 I'm trying to locate the books by the Aebi's. The first is called "Mastering the Art of Beekeeping;" I can't recall the name of the second. Border's bookstore here doesn't have them listed, and so I suspect that they're out of print. Does anyone know where I might locate a copy, or perhaps write to a publisher for a stock copy (or at worst, copy permission, on the off-chance that I could ever find a library copy of one)? --------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Tate | "So he dropped the heart - MSD, Inc. | the floor's clean." fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov | - Sidney Harris From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf Mon Apr 18 09:26:25 EDT 1994 Article: 16 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for books Date: 15 Apr 1994 10:32:05 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 11 Message-ID: <2olqf5$kt4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov> <94104.193351MELJOHN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] : BTW, I thought this was SCI.agriculture.beekeeping and already ART is rearing : its ugly head! AGRICULTURE takes the ART part, for agriculture is truly a blending between art and science! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!noc.near.net!ll.mit.edu!jfinn Mon Apr 18 09:26:28 EDT 1994 Article: 17 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!noc.near.net!ll.mit.edu!jfinn From: jfinn@ll.mit.edu (Joe Finnivan) Subject: How much time ? Message-ID: <1994Apr15.102013.7264@ll.mit.edu> Originator: jfinn@ll.mit.edu (Joe Finnivan) Sender: news@ll.mit.edu Reply-To: jfinn@ll.mit.edu (Joe Finnivan) Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 10:20:13 GMT Lines: 18 I'm happy to see this new group. I don't keep bees but have been interested and toying with the idea for years. I live on a 5 acre piece of land that is mostly a grassy field with scattered trees. I'm going to be planting a dozen fruit trees next week and I'm giving serious though to starting some hives. My question is this: How much time can I expect to be spending maintaining a few hives ? Do I have to work at them every day, every few days, etc ? Also, how much honey can I expect to get from a few hives ? Thanks for any help. Joe jfinn@ll.mit.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 Mon Apr 18 09:26:31 EDT 1994 Article: 18 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 15 Apr 94 06:56:35 EST Organization: University of Scranton Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1994Apr15.065635.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> References: <1994Apr14.165343.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> <2okmjo$qu0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.cs.uofs.edu In article <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu>, pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) writes: > > Any beekeepers in the Chicago area who will let me at their drones?!! HEY! Take it to alt.sex, buddy! Boy Start a nice little group about beekeeping and all the sickos show up...SHEESH! 8-} ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | Where a social revolution is pending and, University Of Scranton | for whatever reason, is not accomplished, ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | reaction is the alternative. ddc1@SCRANTON | -Daniel De Leon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!roentgen.demon.co.uk!david Mon Apr 18 09:26:34 EDT 1994 Article: 19 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: david@roentgen.demon.co.uk (Dr David Lauckner) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!roentgen.demon.co.uk!david Subject: Re: Allergic reaction Organization: Wansbeck Radiology Department X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 References: <1994Apr15.110622.3121@et.tudelft.nl> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 13:08:52 +0000 Message-ID: Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Lines: 35 wekken@ddtc.et.tudelft.nl (Peter van der Wekken) writes: : Hi beekeepers, : : Does anyone know of a cure and/or medication against allergic reactions : from a bee-sting. : I used to suffer for a few days after a bee sting; painful itching in an area 5-10 cms across around the sting point. Perhaps the most annoying part was the sensitivity in this area which would flare up again with minimal provocation. After 4 days or so it would have settled completely. I felt that an antihistamine might help in moderating the primary response and decresing the sensitivity to recurrent itching over the following days. The newer antihistamines have a rapid onset of action and much less sedative side effect; additionally they are now available over the counter from pharmacies. What I do is to take a tablet with me to the hives and take it (slip it up under my veil) as soon as I feel a sting. This takes a matter of a few seconds. I do not generally take one before going to the hives although this would be quite reasonable. (but more expensive!) Since adopting this policy I have found that I am happier when in among the bees, and if I do get a sting I don't have the after effects. Drugs used: Terfenadine, Cetirizine Disclaimer: This is not necessarily sound medical advice; it is just what I have found to be useful as a beekeeper. -- Dr David Lauckner Phone: 0670-521212 Wansbeck General Hospital Fax: 0670-529778 ASHINGTON, Northumberland e-mail: david@roentgen.demon.co.uk United Kingdom. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!csc.canberra.edu.au!student!u914097 Mon Apr 18 09:26:35 EDT 1994 Article: 20 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!csc.canberra.edu.au!student!u914097 From: u914097@student.canberra.edu.au (Feldman / Mark Jeffrey (ISE)) Subject: Is anyone working on a FAQ? Message-ID: <1994Apr15.152330.738@csc.canberra.edu.au> Sender: news@csc.canberra.edu.au Nntp-Posting-Host: student.canberra.edu.au Organization: University of Canberra Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 15:23:30 GMT Lines: 13 Subject line says it all! Anyone working on a FAQ to answer things like: I wanna start my very own hive, how do I do this? How much will a setup cost? How much honey will I get? But won't I get stung????? etc... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Feldman \\_==_o Skydivers do E-mail : u914097@student.canberra.edu.au \\ it at 120mph.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!apollo1.cacd.rockwell.com!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vincent2.iastate.edu!adwright Mon Apr 18 09:26:39 EDT 1994 Article: 21 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!apollo1.cacd.rockwell.com!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vincent2.iastate.edu!adwright From: adwright@iastate.edu () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WHy did my bees die this winter? Date: 15 Apr 94 15:26:36 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Lines: 32 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: vincent2.iastate.edu This is my first hive. Things seemed to be ok. I had the varora mite strips in there and put on menthol in the fall for tracheal mites. The -23 F lows concerned me, but two days after that i put my ear to the hive and heard a lot of buzzing. We had another cold snap but i could still hear the buzzing, but this time could see a lot of dead beed that were thrown out by their live brethern. I checked a week later and all were dead. I opened the hive to find several full combs of capped honey in places yet all were dead. The thing that seemed wierd was many of them were dead right on the comb with their heads inside the cells. Many more were on the baseboard. They were not any funny looking color, they looked like bees do whern alive, so i guess that rules out chalkbrood and foulbrood. Some were so intact looking sitting on the combs that if i photographed them it would appear that i had photographed live bees. Know what I mean? I tried to find the queen but could not, though its very possible i overlooked her. Does the fact that bees were found (dead) in several places in the hive might mean she died and they were scattered? Any clues as to what happened? I had not given them any antibiotics, is that a mistake? I fed them all summer and took no honey since i wanted them to be strong for the next year. It is a big disappointment. Hope someone can help me figure what i did wrong. Many thanks Allen -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!news.tek.com!gazette!gazette!not-for-mail Mon Apr 18 09:26:41 EDT 1994 Article: 22 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!news.tek.com!gazette!gazette!not-for-mail From: edbu@sepia.wv.tek.com (Ed Burress) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A lesson for us all Date: 15 Apr 1994 08:54:20 -0700 Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <2omdbcINN43g@sepia.wv.tek.com> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sepia.wv.tek.com In article <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dbush@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Bush) writes: >swig of water through my veil. One sneaky devil got me on the upper lip. David, I have found that a sports-type squeeze bottle works well for this application. It can be a little messy at first, but with practice works well. Never had one on the upper lip, Ouch! On an unrelated note, has anyone heard of mites invading and destroying hives? My mother who lives in the mid Willamette valley says that her hives, as well as the neighbors (a large honey producer in the area) lost all of his hives. Apparently, these mites have been responsible for destruction of quite a few hives in Oregon and southern Washington. She just replaced her bees with a new shipment that is supposed to be more resistant to the mites. Anybody else heard of these, or lost any hives as a result? -Ed From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.amherst.edu!not-for-mail Mon Apr 18 09:26:43 EDT 1994 Article: 23 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.amherst.edu!not-for-mail From: nwbernst@unix.amherst.edu (Neil Bernstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Vergil's Fourth Georgic Date: 15 Apr 1994 12:08:47 -0400 Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA, USA Lines: 7 Message-ID: <2ome6f$9jb@amhux3.amherst.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Would anyone like to discuss Vergil's Fourth Georgic (the book on bees)? I'll post more when I've finished it... - Neil Bernstein -- nwbernst@unix.amherst.edu, lentus in umbra | nudus ara, sere nudus... in omnibus requiem quaesivi, et nusquam inveni nisi in angulo cum libro From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!news.tek.com!gazette!gazette!not-for-mail Mon Apr 18 09:26:44 EDT 1994 Article: 24 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!news.tek.com!gazette!gazette!not-for-mail From: weedk@salmon.wv.tek.com (Kirk A Weedman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Date: 15 Apr 1994 10:09:27 -0700 Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <2omho7INNfcb@salmon.wv.tek.com> References: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: salmon.wv.tek.com I'm planting a few acres of fruit trees this year and would like to have some bees. I'm sure the other farmers around me would like it too. So what would I need to start a beehive and how many bees/acre of apple trees would I need? If X is the amount then would 2X or more be better or matter since there are hundreds of acres of farming around me? Kirk weedk@salmon.wv.tek.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear Mon Apr 18 09:26:46 EDT 1994 Article: 25 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do about mites? (was Re: Bee Tree) Date: 15 Apr 1994 16:23:49 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 9 Distribution: na Message-ID: <2omf2l$869@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <2oks9l$a6j@news.umbc.edu> <2ol7f1$sav@genesis.MCS.COM> Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] i lost my single hive to varroa last season. i'll be replacing it with two more. i'm told that you must use varroa strips and remove them well before harvesting. maybe someone else has had experience with the strips. btw, i'm in southern california. regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov all disclaimers apply From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear Mon Apr 18 09:26:48 EDT 1994 Article: 26 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A lesson for us all Date: 15 Apr 1994 17:31:48 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 21 Message-ID: <2omj24$bt9@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <2omdbcINN43g@sepia.wv.tek.com> Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Ed Burress (edbu@sepia.wv.tek.com) wrote: [much deleted . . .] : On an unrelated note, has anyone heard of mites invading and destroying hives? : My mother who lives in the mid Willamette valley says that her hives, as well : as the neighbors (a large honey producer in the area) lost all of his hives. : Apparently, these mites have been responsible for destruction of quite a few : hives in Oregon and southern Washington. She just replaced her bees with a : new shipment that is supposed to be more resistant to the mites. Anybody else : heard of these, or lost any hives as a result? [more deletions . . .] as i said elsewhere, i lost my only hive to mites . . . the bees abscond, leaving an incredibly clean hive behind! mites are becoming endemic in the u.s., i guess. there are medicated varroa strips that you can use, but you must remove the strips some considerable time before harvesting honey. regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov all disclaimers apply From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Mon Apr 18 09:26:50 EDT 1994 Article: 27 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How About a FAQ and List of Local Groups? Date: 15 Apr 1994 17:43:20 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2omjnp$38s@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> References: <2ol0kq$4r6@news.acns.nwu.edu> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com This newsgroup is great! Anyone know where I can get one of Dadant's out-of-print books on Bees and The Law? It was written by someone in Virginia. Also, I have postscript files of 4 articles that I published in ABJ last year on Beekeeping Business plans, finance applied to bee operations and one that I did on analyzing the affect of imported honey. Will internet handle postscript docs? David MacFawn Master Beekeeper Raleigh, North Carolina From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!crash!donb Mon Apr 18 09:26:53 EDT 1994 Article: 28 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!crash!donb From: donb@crash.cts.com (Donald Bowen) Subject: Bees and supers wanted Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET/crash), San Diego, CA Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 14:38:43 GMT Message-ID: Sender: news@crash.cts.com (news subsystem) Nntp-Posting-Host: crash.cts.com Lines: 4 I am looking for some bees for sale in Souhern California. A friend is looking for some supers. DonB From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!nih-csl!FAXCSL!FIXER Mon Apr 18 09:26:55 EDT 1994 Article: 29 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!nih-csl!FAXCSL!FIXER From: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov (Chris Gonna' Find Ray Charles Tate) Subject: Re: Looking for books Message-ID: <1994Apr15.142115.20369@alw.nih.gov> Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster) Reply-To: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov Organization: DCRT, NIH, Bethesda, MD References: <1994Apr14.183955.268@alw.nih.gov>,<94104.193351MELJOHN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 14:21:15 GMT Lines: 31 In article <94104.193351MELJOHN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, writes: >The books are: > > Aebi, Ormond and Harry. The Art and Adventure of Beekeeping. > Santa Cruz, Ca.: Unity Press, 1975. (Reprint: Emmaus, Pa.: > Rodale Press, 1983.) > > Aebi, Ormond and Harry. Mastering the Art of Beekeeping. Santa > Cruz, Ca.: Unity Press, 1979. > > [... deletions ...] > >BTW, I thought this was SCI.agriculture.beekeeping and already ART is rearing >its ugly head! No smiley? I'll take this as it stands, then.... I *believe* the Aebis hold the record for the most honey taken from a single hive in a single (season? visit?). On that strength alone I'd say their books deserve a serious look by any serious beekeeping aficionado. >From an outside reference to the books, I gather that they also didn't use much in the way of protective garb, smoke, &c., so I'm curious as to their approach. (I'll forbear from an argument about whether or not it is desirable or even possible to divorce science and art. :-) --------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Tate | "So he dropped the heart - MSD, Inc. | the floor's clean." fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov | - Sidney Harris From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Mon Apr 18 09:26:57 EDT 1994 Article: 30 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do about mites? (was Re: Bee Tree) Date: 15 Apr 1994 17:57:45 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2omkip$38s@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> References: <2ol7f1$sav@genesis.MCS.COM> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com > After having at least one hive for about 12 years I lost my bees to >thoractic mites 2 years ago. >What can small beekeepers do about mites, and does anyone know how they >get spread?? Both of the beekeepers I know have lost all their hives >(four for one, six for the other) to the evil little buggers. This was >years ago, about the time that the mites started making headlines. >I read somewhere that placing blocks coated with menthol in the hives >can kill the mites, but will also ruin the honey. It depends on what type of mites your a speaking about. For Tracheal mites, menthol works if the temperature is warm. A lot of the bees today are just now starting to development some resistance to Tracheal mites. During the last several years we have had a high hive mortality due to this mite but, the mites killed their hosts which ment they also died. In nature for the mite to survive, the host or bee must also survive and not bee killed. So, we are starting to see some resistance to the Tracheal mite. Vegetable Shorting / sugar patties are also showing promise for controlling Tracheal, there was another article in either ABJ or Bee Culture on vegetable shorting patties this month. Varroa mite is another story. You need to use Apistan strips in the hive and not use the strips approx 6 weeks before or during the honey flow. The strips should be left on 4-6 weeks, I can remember which, but read and follow the label directions. Make sure that you do not leave the strips on longer, since this is a pesticide and the Varrora may very well develop resistance to the Apistan. There already have been some reports of resistance to Apistan. We did have Miticur but it was recalled last year d ue to a law suit. The African bee is supposely resistant to both Tracheal and Varroa mites...maybe we can cross breed the littel devil. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear Mon Apr 18 09:26:58 EDT 1994 Article: 31 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and supers wanted Date: 15 Apr 1994 19:14:26 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 16 Message-ID: <2omp2i$bt9@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Donald Bowen (donb@crash.cts.com) wrote: : I am looking for some bees for sale in Souhern California. : A friend is looking for some supers. : DonB don - i'm getting two nuks from a fellow at l.a. honey. his name is chase walker and the number is 213-264-2383 . . . this will be the first time i get my bees from him, so i don't have any history to impart. regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov all disclaimers apply From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mark Mon Apr 18 09:26:59 EDT 1994 Article: 32 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mark From: mark@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (M.C. Rendina ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mites Date: 15 Apr 1994 19:55:20 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 18 Message-ID: <2omrf8$op3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2ok5dt$gec@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <2omdbcINN43g@sepia.wv.tek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux1.cso.uiuc.edu edbu@sepia.wv.tek.com (Ed Burress) writes: >In article <2ok8u6$clv@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dbush@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Bush) >On an unrelated note, has anyone heard of mites invading and destroying hives? >My mother who lives in the mid Willamette valley says that her hives, as well >as the neighbors (a large honey producer in the area) lost all of his hives. >Apparently, these mites have been responsible for destruction of quite a few >hives in Oregon and southern Washington. She just replaced her bees with a >new shipment that is supposed to be more resistant to the mites. Anybody else >heard of these, or lost any hives as a result? Yep. Lost all three. Mites are everywhere. (I assume we're talking about the same tracheal mite?) In the Midwest, the bees live fine thru the summer (their life expectancy is shorter than it takes for the mites to kill them) but in the winter, the hive dies. A real bummer. I'd never lost a colony in the winter before. Ouch. Mark From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mark Mon Apr 18 09:27:00 EDT 1994 Article: 33 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mark From: mark@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (M.C. Rendina ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much time ? Date: 15 Apr 1994 20:04:10 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 37 Message-ID: <2omrvq$q6a@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1994Apr15.102013.7264@ll.mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux1.cso.uiuc.edu jfinn@ll.mit.edu (Joe Finnivan) writes: >I'm happy to see this new group. I don't keep bees >but have been interested and toying with the idea for >years. I'm happy to see it to. I got interested in bees when I saw a show on T.V. and then in junior high, I needed to build something in industrial arts! What a perfect combo! >I live on a 5 acre piece of land that is mostly >a grassy field with scattered trees. I'm going to be >planting a dozen fruit trees next week and I'm giving >serious though to starting some hives. My question >is this: How much time can I expect to be spending >maintaining a few hives ? When I asked this question as a young-un, a wise man reminded me that bees have lived for millions of years without us. >Do I have to work at them every day, every few days, etc ? If you're touching thme more than once a week, you're getting in their way. When I went away to college, my bees did just fine without me. I had to make sure the hive was the right size (mostly a spring-fall job), harvest the honey, and that's about it. >Also, how much honey can I expect to get from a few hives ? Anywhere from zip to (what's the record?) I think it was over 400 pounds. 50-100 is probably typical, but that's my midwestern hives. ===================================================================== Mark Rendina o ___ __ jedi@uiuc.edu __/\o_ __o < \ | | \ | University of Illinois _ \<_ _/\ | |_/ | (_)/(_) / Just | | \ | From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks Mon Apr 18 09:27:02 EDT 1994 Article: 34 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Distance between hives Date: 15 Apr 1994 22:15:14 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 12 Message-ID: <2on3li$rc6@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Howdy all, I've been lurking on BEE-L for a while now, awaiting the big day, which is today: as I type I've got two 3 lbs packages of bees buzzing at me from across the room. Needless to say I'm excited. Question that I can't find the answer to in any of the books I've got: How far apart should hives bee (min. and max.)? Does it even matter? Thanks, Jordan From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!clstac!pwtokar Mon Apr 18 09:27:05 EDT 1994 Article: 35 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!clstac!pwtokar From: pwtokar@csupomona.edu (Patrick Tokar) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: How much time? Date: 15 Apr 94 15:30:21 PST Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1994Apr15.153021.1@clstac> NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsb.is.csupomona.edu Really once a week is enough. Basically you just have to watch that there are no new queen cells (and if so why?) and check for disease and mites. Acarapis woodi and varroa jacobsoni are the only two mites you have to look out for. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cholley Mon Apr 18 09:27:06 EDT 1994 Article: 36 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cholley From: cholley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Catherine T Holley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help,please! Date: 16 Apr 1994 00:06:32 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <2ona68$n1n@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu I hope that this group will be able to help us out on a problem. If I'm in the wrong place, then just ignore this post. 3-4 years ago, a swarm of honey bees moved into the cinder blocks that make up our chimney. They're not in the chimney pipe, just the "honeycomb" that the cinderblocks form. Every few days one of the bees gets lost and works its way into the house, not really a problem for us, but deadly for the bee since they can't get out or get back into the hive. How do we get them out of the chimney without tearing it down? I don't want to destroy an entire hive of bees; something seems very criminal in this. I just want them out of the block. We live in a log cabin and I'm afraid that the honey will draw other unwanted guests that might find the logs an excellent home or an excellent addition to a meal. Any suggestions? Cathy Holley cholley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ames!erg.sri.com!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!bank.ecn.purdue.edu!mbrockma Mon Apr 18 09:27:08 EDT 1994 Article: 37 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ames!erg.sri.com!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!bank.ecn.purdue.edu!mbrockma From: mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman) Subject: Bumble vs. Honey Message-ID: Sender: news@noose.ecn.purdue.edu (USENET news) Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 01:23:05 GMT Lines: 13 Can someone tell me (e-mail preferred) the difference between a Bumble Bee and a normal Honey bee and any other major types of bees? Thanks, =============================================================================== Matt Brockman mbrockma@ecn.purdue.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "While a llama may produce some of the world's finest of wools, prized around the world, their breath, on the other hand, could only be prized somewhere in the far reaches of llama hell." =============================================================================== From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!blanket.mitre.org!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks Mon Apr 18 09:27:11 EDT 1994 Article: 38 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!blanket.mitre.org!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Questions from a beginner Date: 16 Apr 1994 03:58:24 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 28 Message-ID: <2onnp0$4ic@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Well, I put my two packages in their hives today, so I am now officially an apiarist. Many questions already, though, that hopefully some kind and knowledgeable soul will take a moment or two to answer: 1) My bees have found a knothole at the top and are going in and out of it, basically ignoring the more traditional (although slightly blocked by one of those wooden hole-maker-smaller-things) entrance at the bottom. Question is: is this a problem? Will they find the regular hole? Should I plug the knothole? 2) When I shook in my package, I was unable to get out a good 1/3 of them. All the books I read just said "some" would remain. Question is: does "some" = 1/3? Is this a problem? 3) Are there any organic approaches to disease control (Nosema, Foulbrood, mites, etc.)? I hate the idea of taking something as beautiful and natural as honey and fouling it with chemicals. Is there something I can plant in my garden? Some herb to cook in with the sugar syrup? Anyone doing research on this? 4) How many quart jars should I have at a time for a top feeder? There are slots for four, but is this necessary/recommended? How often should I refill them? As often as they're empty? The books I have seem to skip over these questions, so I'm hoping the vast world of the net will be able to help. Thanks in advance... Jordan From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!sarah!rpi!steel.arch.rpi.edu!mulder Mon Apr 18 09:27:13 EDT 1994 Article: 39 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!sarah!rpi!steel.arch.rpi.edu!mulder From: mulder@steel.arch.rpi.edu (Maarten M Mulder) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WHy did my bees die this winter? Date: 16 Apr 1994 06:17:40 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY. Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2onvu4$2ud@usenet.rpi.edu> References: Reply-To: mulder@rpi.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: steel.arch.rpi.edu In article , adwright@iastate.edu () writes: |> This is my first hive. Things seemed to be ok. I had the varora mite |> strips in there and put on menthol in the fall for tracheal mites. The |> -23 F lows concerned me, but two days after that i put my ear to the hive and |> heard a lot of buzzing. We had another cold snap but i could still hear |> the buzzing, but this time could see a lot of dead beed that were thrown |> out by their live brethern. I checked a week later and all were dead. |> I opened the hive to find several full combs of capped honey in places yet |> all were dead. The thing that seemed wierd was many of them were dead |> right on the comb with their heads inside the cells. Many more were on |> the baseboard. |> They were not any funny looking color, they looked like bees do whern alive, |> so i guess that rules out chalkbrood and foulbrood. Some were so intact |> looking sitting on the combs that if i photographed them it would appear that |> i had photographed live bees. Know what I mean? |> |> I tried to find the queen but could not, though its very possible i |> overlooked her. Does the fact that bees were found (dead) in several places in |> the hive might mean she died and they were scattered? Any clues as to what |> happened? I had not given them any antibiotics, is that a mistake? |> |> I fed them all summer and took no honey since i wanted them to be strong |> for the next year. It is a big disappointment. Hope someone can help |> me figure what i did wrong. |> |> Many thanks |> Allen |> |> I don't know if this is relative, but last summer (September I think) my father treated his hives (2) on the advice of the Mass. State Bee Inspector. I think he used menthol. The hives promptly swarmed, the swarms disappeared, and he was left with weakened hives, neither of which made it through the winter. It was unfortunate, since these were both docile hives that produced a lot of honey. Oh well. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!udel!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!csugrad.cs.vt.edu!not-for-mail Mon Apr 18 09:27:14 EDT 1994 Article: 40 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!udel!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!csugrad.cs.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: dbush@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Bush) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping