Article 30684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!stl-feed.news.verio.net!newsreader.wustl.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee venom Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:54:50 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3B66C6BA.49FCA1DE@okstate.edu> References: <3B64ADD5.9000501@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: galoot.ets.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30684 Taylor Francis wrote: > Is it really helpful for arthritis and joint pain? > I state only my own opinnion. My shoulders and hands don't hurt now since I started beekeeeping 3 years ago. I don't go out of my way to get stung but it does happen throughout the season. Have I been diagnosed with ruhematoid arthritis? No. But I do or rather have had joint pain for several years prior to my beekeeping. YMMV. Gary Johns Article 30685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: 9 vs. 10 Frames in Supers X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3B683ED2.3BCBA3FD@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <3B66C952.2429B0F8@sysadm.suny.edu> <3B670580.8DE88D13@nospam.boeing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:39:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 41 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30685 I noticed it. True, you reduce the brood areas by 10%. This is only my second year, bear in mind, but I kept 10 frames in my brood areas all last year and things get pretty crowded with propolis build up, burr comb, warping frames, etc. as the season wears on. All the more experienced beekeepers in my area run 9 frames in the brood nest. I was skeptical too at first but have revised my thinking and now I use 9 frames in my brood boxes. Firstly because of improved ventilation which is probably a bigger issue here in South Central Kansas than for you up in Canada (it's 102 here as I write this with 41% humidity). Secondly because it makes it easier to inspect the hive. My bees are doing better now than at this time last year but part of this may be due to my conversion to screened bottom boards as well. I'm not getting stung as often and don't need as much smoke. This was not the case last year. Besides, after you get the 10 undrawn frames drawn out on 10 boxes and reduce each to 9, you get another 9 frame box as a bonus plus a extra drawn brood frame. Did you figure that into your simple arithmatic? David Eyre wrote: > > One major problem nobody seems to notice, you reduce your brood space by > more than 10%. More bees, more honey. Simple arithmatic tells you it's > really not cost effective, better to run 10 frames in a 10 frame box. > Regards Dave..... > > -- > ******************************************** > The Bee Works, > 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, > Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 > 705 326 7171 > http://www.beeworks.com > *************************************** > -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 30686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: 9vs10 frames X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3B683FDF.D2759A78@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010801073821.17417.00001656@ng-co1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:43:59 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 15 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30686 BeeCrofter wrote: > > In the brood nest they are put up tight shoulder to shoulder in the center of > the box when you run 9 frames. I run 9 in my brood boxes but I have been using a 9 frame spacer to space them evenly, so they are not shoulder to shoulder. Is this wrong? Why? -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 30687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!134.222.94.247.MISMATCH!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!ac919611.ipt.aol.COM!not-for-mail From: "Mark Blunden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK books on hive-building Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:19:44 +0100 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9k9dq6$3a0p7$1@ID-36588.news.dfncis.de> References: <9k7agb$2tsrb$1@ID-36588.news.dfncis.de> <49875365.0108010520.57df1e7b@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ac919611.ipt.aol.com (172.145.150.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 996686472 3474215 172.145.150.17 (16 [36588]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30687 "Andrey" wrote in message news:49875365.0108010520.57df1e7b@posting.google.com... > "Mark Blunden" wrote in message news:<9k7agb$2tsrb$1@ID-36588.news.dfncis.de>... > > My father has recently retired to France and wishes to take up beekeeping. > > He has done so before as a hobby several years ago, using some standard > > second-hand hives, and still has much of the equipment, but not the hives. > > He's asked me to look into getting some books on building bee-hives, as he'd > > prefer to build his own rather than buy new hives. Can anyone recommend a > > suitable book that I could get in England? > > Here is a good source on how to build Langstroth hive and bunch of other > stuff. > http://beesource.com/plans/index.htm Thanks very much for that link - it looks very promising. -- Mark. markdb@bigfoot.com * Hey, what does this button do? Article 30688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.panix.com!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail From: adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: anyone had any west virginia buckfast bees Date: 1 Aug 2001 15:49:08 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <9k9mfk$sbt$1@panix2.panix.com> References: <4Hi97.21002$LP2.1260195@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <29081-3B661948-63@storefull-248.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 996695348 14375 166.84.0.227 (1 Aug 2001 19:49:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2001 19:49:08 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30688 In article , Michael Mcelroy wrote: >I have russians and italians and I am going to cross with buckfast then smr >queens to make a 4way hybrid with italian, russian,buckfast and smr . >Texas How will you control which drones fertilize the queen? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 30689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK books on hive-building Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <9k7agb$2tsrb$1@ID-36588.news.dfncis.de> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:42:37 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.219.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 996695157 62.255.219.136 (Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:45:57 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:45:57 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30689 On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:11:01 +0100, "Mark Blunden" wrote: > Can anyone recommend a >suitable book that I could get in England? http://www.bbka.org.uk/ -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis - smile until it hurts. Article 30690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!easynet-monga!easynet.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone laying workers Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:17:29 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 27 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3B67F359.6F4674CC@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 996668226 1899 144.32.85.141 (1 Aug 2001 12:17:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2001 12:17:06 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30690 Hi all, I have a hive that has lost its queen and now has drone laying workers present. The technique described to me was to: 1 Move the hive 200 metres 2 Place a nuc box with a couple of combs of drawn comb on the original site. 3 The flying bees will return to the original site but the laying workers will not. 4 After three days destroy the drone larvae in the hive and kill the few workers that are left as they could be the laying workers. 5 The hive can then be re set-up on its original site and a comb with eggs can be introduced so that they will use it to raise a new queen. I follow all that but I live in a urban area (York U.k) so the furthest that i could shift the hive is 10-20 metres. Will that be sufficient? Are there any other methods I could try? Thanks for any advice. Paul. Article 30691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: carsimex@mnogo.ru (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK books on hive-building Date: 1 Aug 2001 06:20:20 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 12 Message-ID: <49875365.0108010520.57df1e7b@posting.google.com> References: <9k7agb$2tsrb$1@ID-36588.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996672020 28220 127.0.0.1 (1 Aug 2001 13:20:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2001 13:20:20 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30691 "Mark Blunden" wrote in message news:<9k7agb$2tsrb$1@ID-36588.news.dfncis.de>... > My father has recently retired to France and wishes to take up beekeeping. > He has done so before as a hobby several years ago, using some standard > second-hand hives, and still has much of the equipment, but not the hives. > He's asked me to look into getting some books on building bee-hives, as he'd > prefer to build his own rather than buy new hives. Can anyone recommend a > suitable book that I could get in England? Here is a good source on how to build Langstroth hive and bunch of other stuff. http://beesource.com/plans/index.htm Andrey. Article 30692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.cidera.com!radon.golden.net!not-for-mail From: "Igor Evsikov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Expresson calculator+grapher * unit converter/(MATRIX^COMPLEX) Lines: 63 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:22:49 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.183.151.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@golden.net X-Trace: radon.golden.net 996679370 209.183.151.54 (Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:22:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:22:50 EDT Organization: Golden Triangle On Line Inc. 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Changes: Added Periodic table of the elements More than 400 units in 20 categories Igor Evsikov ievsikov@flowpath.com Article 30693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!138.26.64.2.MISMATCH!localhost!cis.uab.edu!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-east.rr.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 19 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Aug 2001 11:38:21 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: 9vs10 frames Message-ID: <20010801073821.17417.00001656@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30693 >Another benifit is you can pull frames out from any spot with the 9, unlike >the 10 were you have to remove a frame before you can begin an inspection I don't think so In the honey supers the frames are spaced evenly when you run 8 or 9 to get fatter combs. In the brood nest they are put up tight shoulder to shoulder in the center of the box when you run 9 frames. This leaves the room to pry the end fram towards the box and remove the 2nd one in. Remember alway start foundation 10 to the box shoulder to shoulder and centered. Article 30694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!138.26.64.2.MISMATCH!localhost!cis.uab.edu!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-east.rr.com!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: carsimex@mnogo.ru (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers over inner cover: the plot thickens Date: 1 Aug 2001 04:43:10 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 25 Message-ID: <49875365.0108010343.27a718c1@posting.google.com> References: <9k5663$i7t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <344b9345.0107310738.5f3933a8@posting.google.com> <3B670546.FA137B5A@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996666190 25141 127.0.0.1 (1 Aug 2001 11:43:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2001 11:43:10 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30694 AL wrote in message news:<3B670546.FA137B5A@hcis.net>... > Andrey wrote: > > > > After frames are clean put them in the freezer only for 48 > > hours even if you have to do it one by one and then pack it in the > > plastic bag closing tightly. > > > > Why? > > AL > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- It will kill all the wax moth if any alredy got in the comb or was there. Specially you have to worry about dark comb because wax moth prefers it over light color comb. Andrey. Article 30695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "The God of Hellfire" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Unsociable bees Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:46:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.91.145.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 996698760 12.91.145.115 (Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:46:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:46:00 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30695 Hiya, I searched through the messages in the NG but didn't find anything that helped. Several times in the past, bees have stung people mowing my lawn. I understand mowers can upset them, so I didn't do anything about it, except to try to avoid certain areas and mow later in the day. Now, however, the problem's gotten worse. I was just out with my dog in the yard walking around and we were both stung quite a few times. I clearly need to get the bees removed. I have no idea where a hive might be - how big a problem is that for someone removing them? Also, the localhoneyforsale.com site didn't have any listings for Virginia. I live in Hanover Country not far from Richmond. Can anyone give me recommendations on where to call? I'd prefer having them removed to calling an exterminator. I'd like to know why they attacked like that, too, if you can provide some insight. And, lastly, suggestions on how to kill the pain would be much appreciated at this point. Thanks, Meriah... Article 30696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Labels Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:55:53 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3B680A69.2AA150FF@okstate.edu> References: <20010731190328.27095.00000930@mb-md.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: galoot.ets.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30696 Bill, I have ordered my labels from David Eyre at "The Bee Works". They are excellent labels. David gets his labels from Thorne in the UK. Not to undercut David but you can order direct from Thorne. They have a full page ad in the back of the latest Bee Culture. The advantage in buying from David is you can buy less than 1000 labels for a nice reduction in price. Thorne wants $40.00 f0r 1000. I think David sells his in lots of 100, I misremember at the moment. PS. I receive nothing from David or "The Bee Works" for this recommendation. Just a satisfied customer. Gary Johns Article 30697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk!paul From: Paul Tomlin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:39:40 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-405.cod.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 996701915 31966 217.134.29.149 (1 Aug 2001 21:38:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2001 21:38:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-6-U () Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30697 Just a question from a pair of beginners [with the caveat that we are seeking local advice too]. My wife and I have inherited all her father's bee equipment [he has become hyper-sensitised to bee venom], but not all of it is cleaned up yet. Last week we found a swarm nearby and got it in a box. That evening we set up a small hive for them, but we didn't have any brood frames ready [or any foundation to make any up]. Instead we just gave 'em a super as a brood chamber, a queen excluder and a super above. I know this is hardly ideal, but we thought that, when necessary, we could put another super in to enlarge the brood chamber, thinking this would be like having a brood and a half. [but in this case a brood and a quarter] ;-) What problems might this cause? BTW is there a FAQ for this newsgroup? -- Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] Remove nospam from email address to reply Article 30698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!138.26.64.2.MISMATCH!localhost!cis.uab.edu!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!news.uah.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-east.rr.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ian Williams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feral Hive Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:15:15 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 26 Message-ID: <9k933j$2si$1@uranium.btinternet.com> References: <3b5f5478.92429342@news> <3b64b212.122591000@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-18-13.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30698 Hi Will I have been admiring your Pic of the Trashcan Bee Vac. Could you explain to me how you got the mob of very angry bees out of the vac to re-hive them? Ian (Wales) [freebeeuk@btinternet.com] <><><><><><><><><><> "Honey is sweet. Bees sting!" <><><><><><><><><><> "loot" wrote in message news:3b64b212.122591000@news... > Well, a friend and I pulled a feral hive on Friday. I think it was AL > who said drink plenty of fluids, hee, hee ,hee. Well, I believe I'd > been better off with an I.V. Everything went pretty smoothly I > believe. The bees seem to be adjusting. There was a little robbing > going on yesterday, but things seem to be quieting down now. I'm > going to post some photos as soon as I figure out how. Oh, by the > way, the bee-vac worked like a champ. I couldn't imagine doing it > any other way. I modified a trash can with a shop-vac in the lid and > a screen underneath a ways. I don't think it killed more than 5 bees. > I placed the comb in a plastic container then rubber banded it into > the frames later. If I had it to do over again, I would fix the comb > into frames as we went along. > > Will Article 30699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3B682CEC.5208658E@hcis.net> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:23:08 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers over inner cover: the plot thickens References: <9k5663$i7t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <344b9345.0107310738.5f3933a8@posting.google.com> <3B670546.FA137B5A@hcis.net> <49875365.0108010343.27a718c1@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.227.6 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 996675481 66.20.227.6 (1 Aug 2001 09:18:01 -0500) Lines: 41 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. 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Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!138.26.64.2.MISMATCH!localhost!cis.uab.edu!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-east.rr.com!news.stealth.net!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!out.nntp.be!propagator-dallas!news-in-dallas.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30699 Andrey wrote: > > > After frames are clean put them in the freezer only for 48 > > > hours even if you have to do it one by one and then pack it in the > > > plastic bag closing tightly. > > > > AL wrote in message news:<3B670546.FA137B5A@hcis.net>... > > Andrey wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Why? > > > > AL > > > > It will kill all the wax moth if any alredy got in the comb or was > there. Specially you have to worry about dark comb because wax moth > prefers it over light color comb. > > Andrey. I've never had wax moths in the supers, only in the brood comb. I've stored supers wet, dry, inside, outside, covered and kinda covered, and have never had wax moth infestation. I *have* had them destroy brood comb within a month of losing two hives, one was a Langstroth and the other was a TBH. I do freeze unused brood comb as you recommended. As I understand it the wax moth larva feed on the lining of the brood cells and have little or no interest in comb that has never contained brood. Either that or I'm just lucky. AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 16 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Aug 2001 22:24:34 GMT References: <3B683FDF.D2759A78@nospam.boeing.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: 9vs10 frames Message-ID: <20010801182434.17091.00001590@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30700 >I run 9 in my brood boxes but I have been using a 9 frame spacer to >space them evenly, so they are not shoulder to shoulder. Is this wrong? >Why? > You have lost your wiggle room and risk rolling the queen. Personally I dont like frame spacers in the brood box. In the honey supers I used to use a comb to space them but as they became fatter combs the shoulders got propolised and they now pretty much space themselves. Article 30701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!not-for-mail From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 vs. 10 Frames in Supers Date: 1 Aug 2001 23:14:06 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 31 Sender: jwg6@cornell.invalid (on syr-66-24-22-49.twcny.rr.com) Message-ID: <9ka2fu$cpu$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: syr-66-24-22-49.twcny.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 996707646 13118 66.24.22.49 (1 Aug 2001 23:14:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2001 23:14:06 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30701 The point made by one poster (more bees --> more honey) is moot, considering that most people run 2 or 3 brood chambers. A queen only needs the equivalent of 7-8 deep frames' worth of cells for her brood production, even when she is laying at her maximum rate. There is simply no way the removal of one comb is going to make one bit of difference. The main drawback to using 9 combs in the brood chambers, in my experience, is that the bees are sometimes apt to build swarm cells between the top bars of the lowest brood chamber, or between the combs, and they aren't discernable when one tips up the upper brood chamber. So you can miss them. All things considered, though, 9 frames in the brood nest makes things easier and makes for faster manipulations. However there should only be like 1/8" inch (or slightly less) between the frame end-bars. The majority of the extra space should be at the side-walls, and you can use lousy ("droney") combs at the outside two positions, since they are only filled with food stores anyway. In honey supers, nine, or (preferably) eight frames, evenly spaced across the box, will yield fat combs that reduce handling labor and are a SINCH to uncap, also yielding a maximum of nice light "lemon" yellow beeswax. This only applies to DRAWN combs, however. Try it with foundation and you will end up with a mess. Get foundation drawn 10 to a box the first time, so the combs will be straight, fully built, and even. Go nuts... Article 30702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:16:52 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3b688ccd.215528150@news1.radix.net> References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30702 On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:39:40 +0100, Paul Tomlin wrote: >Just a question from a pair of beginners [with the caveat that we are >seeking local advice too]. > >My wife and I have inherited all her father's bee equipment [he has >become hyper-sensitised to bee venom], but not all of it is cleaned up >yet. > >Last week we found a swarm nearby and got it in a box. That evening we >set up a small hive for them, but we didn't have any brood frames ready >[or any foundation to make any up]. Instead we just gave 'em a super as >a brood chamber, a queen excluder and a super above. I know this is >hardly ideal, but we thought that, when necessary, we could put another >super in to enlarge the brood chamber, thinking this would be like >having a brood and a half. >[but in this case a brood and a quarter] ;-) > >What problems might this cause? > >BTW is there a FAQ for this newsgroup? > >-- >Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] >Remove nospam from email address to reply The old saying goes: A swarm in May is worth a bale of hay. A swarm in June is worth a siler spoon. A swarm in July isn't worth a fly. One would then surmize that a swarm in August is going to cost you plenty. You will have to feed, feed ,feed and then they still probably won't make it. Starting now to build a large winter cluster is damn near impossible. beekeep Article 30703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!not-for-mail From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK books on hive-building Date: 1 Aug 2001 23:22:03 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 13 Sender: jwg6@cornell.invalid (on syr-66-24-22-49.twcny.rr.com) Message-ID: <9ka2ur$cpu$2@news01.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: syr-66-24-22-49.twcny.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 996708123 13118 66.24.22.49 (1 Aug 2001 23:22:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2001 23:22:03 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30703 Since he is in France, I would strongly recommend the Dadant or Voirnot hives, as opposed to the British National/Commercial or Langstroth. Single-brood-chamber management is simpler, and the hives would be more compatible with the popular French designs that are in more widespread use. Check out the web-site for Thomas (beekeeping supplies) if you want a basic comparison. It would also be worth purchasing one hive and then using it as a model for home construction. rgds jg Article 30704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone laying workers Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:45:54 -0400 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <9ka4er$3ecqo$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: <3B67F359.6F4674CC@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 996709660 3617624 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30704 Paul, Move as far away as possible. Shake ALL bees onto the ground, make sure all frames are completely free of bees. blow out with leaf blower, or brush all the frames (this makes them madder). the non-laying workers will fly back (some nurse bees are lost, as well as laying workers). put hive back where it was and introduce queen in a cage. feed bees to simulate nectar flow to get them to accept queen faster. "Paul Waites" wrote in message news:3B67F359.6F4674CC@york.ac.uk... > I follow all that but I live in a urban area (York U.k) so the furthest > that i could shift the hive is 10-20 metres. Will that be sufficient? > > Are there any other methods I could try? > > Thanks for any advice. > > Paul. > Article 30705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unsociable bees Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:53:14 -0400 Lines: 49 Message-ID: <9ka4sj$3gcc7$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 996710099 3682695 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30705 Probably not honey bees - I mow around mine all the time (including up to and bumping into the hives today) and they never pay attention. Yellow jackets are a different matter. They nest in the ground, seem to hate mowers and weed eaters and will attack anyone that gets right on the nest, pursuing and stinging as you try to get away. To find: either watch around late afternoon to dusk to see where they are going to ground, or wait until the next stinging episode (it will be very close to where it starts). Mark and come back at night. Use the high-power jet spray cans marked for yellow jackets, and spray down the hole (use a flashlight, but stay as far away as possible). That should kill the nest. For new stings, try papaya (papain) based meat tenderizer or baking soda, mixed into a paste. For old, ice packs and topical anesthetics help. "The God of Hellfire" wrote in message news:cUZ97.23870$LP2.1494179@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Hiya, > > I searched through the messages in the NG but didn't find anything that > helped. Several times in the past, bees have stung people mowing my lawn. I > understand mowers can upset them, so I didn't do anything about it, except > to try to avoid certain areas and mow later in the day. Now, however, the > problem's gotten worse. I was just out with my dog in the yard walking > around and we were both stung quite a few times. I clearly need to get the > bees removed. I have no idea where a hive might be - how big a problem is > that for someone removing them? > > Also, the localhoneyforsale.com site didn't have any listings for Virginia. > I live in Hanover Country not far from Richmond. Can anyone give me > recommendations on where to call? I'd prefer having them removed to calling > an exterminator. > > I'd like to know why they attacked like that, too, if you can provide some > insight. And, lastly, suggestions on how to kill the pain would be much > appreciated at this point. > > Thanks, > Meriah... > > Article 30706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feral Hive Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:59:06 -0400 Lines: 41 Message-ID: <9ka57k$3e3bb$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: <3b5f5478.92429342@news> <3b64b212.122591000@news> <9k933j$2si$1@uranium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 996710452 3607915 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30706 Will, Can you post the pics somewhere we can see them? many newsgroup servers strip out binaries in these non-binary groups. -K Oland "Ian Williams" wrote in message news:9k933j$2si$1@uranium.btinternet.com... > Hi Will > I have been admiring your Pic of the Trashcan Bee Vac. Could you explain to > me how you got the mob of very angry bees out of the vac to re-hive them? > > Ian (Wales) [freebeeuk@btinternet.com] > > <><><><><><><><><><> > "Honey is sweet. Bees sting!" > <><><><><><><><><><> > "loot" wrote in message news:3b64b212.122591000@news... > > Well, a friend and I pulled a feral hive on Friday. I think it was AL > > who said drink plenty of fluids, hee, hee ,hee. Well, I believe I'd > > been better off with an I.V. Everything went pretty smoothly I > > believe. The bees seem to be adjusting. There was a little robbing > > going on yesterday, but things seem to be quieting down now. I'm > > going to post some photos as soon as I figure out how. Oh, by the > > way, the bee-vac worked like a champ. I couldn't imagine doing it > > any other way. I modified a trash can with a shop-vac in the lid and > > a screen underneath a ways. I don't think it killed more than 5 bees. > > I placed the comb in a plastic container then rubber banded it into > > the frames later. If I had it to do over again, I would fix the comb > > into frames as we went along. > > > > Will > > Article 30707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B689C32.53CBFDC8@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone laying workers References: <3B67F359.6F4674CC@york.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:17:55 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.233 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 996711053 206.231.24.233 (Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:10:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:10:53 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30707 I have found that dealing with laying workers the way you describe is just a waste of time. Good wood on bad don't ya know. Here's what I do with laying workers. First, take down the hive. Shake all the bees out of it onto the ground in front of your other hives. Place the bodies of comb on top of a strong colony so they will clean up the mess. Remove the combs to storage until needed. I think it way better to spend time managing your strong colonies than to waste time, money, and brood from strong colonies to save hopeless cases. Don't play the numbers game. If you have five strong colonies, then you have five strong colonies. If you have four strong colonies and one with laying workers, you will only have three strong colonies when you get done screwing around with the weak one because the hopless case will be nothing, and the other will be weakened by giving some of it's brood the the punk. I realize I live in the north where we get one or two chances to build a decent colony for winter. But, after years of mucking around trying to save weak colonies I feel it really the best plan. Mike Paul Waites wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a hive that has lost its queen and now has drone laying workers > present. > Are there any other methods I could try? > > Thanks for any advice. > > Paul. Article 30708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!news.udel.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-east.rr.com!nntp.twtelecom.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Software update of 11 of july 2001 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 02:42:31 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 110 Message-ID: <3b64ab56$0$2649$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.215.97.102 X-Trace: 996453207 dread01.news.tele.dk 2649 195.215.97.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30708 I want to thank Busybee for helping me getting my software in full Dutch interface and full Dutch help. And also in French with French help. also included is a full functional tolls to fix errors in database if powerfailure or the like. "Dave Hamilton" skrev i en meddelelse news:3ab9f30e.84257125@west.usenetserver.com... > "Beekeepers don't really use computers. They're out looking after > their bees, not sitting in front of a computer." As a beekeeper you need all practical help possible. But I want to put some comments to the above! You have give priority to your time strongly, to get maximum of joy! First you have to take care of your wife/husband and children. I am sure I don't need to pin this out :) Then you have to take care of yourself and please remember life is more than bees. Now you can take care of your bees. and then use all the tools available for making this work easy as possible. well invested money are those used for making the heavy lift of honey to a case not ruining our bags. I have read this : when it gives honey it gives money, and when it gives money it gives strength (Bernhard Swinty) Newer the less, heavy lifts are reason for a lot of 'Beekeeper diseases'. about computer and beekeeping then you can find some interesting education software on the net. I want to point you to P.O.Gustafson in Sweden. (his software is on my CD) I also know about a Dutch CD software with a lot of beekeeping knowledge on it. Of American software I know about a Disease introduction software. So for the hivenote software around: the newest is the 'Beekeeper' build on the need from a Canadian migration beekeeper with thousands of hives. Then you have a German software and also a Austrian software but limited to German language. There have been a software from new Zealand to but it seems to have disappeared from the net. Snip.... I noticed that Jorn has a posting today about his software. We use a database from HandDbase http://www.ddhsoftware.com that cost 24.95 for both the desktop and handheld versions. Works great and is a great help for analyzing data from our Snip.... The problem with databases Such as predefined layouts is that they will limit the beekeeper . I am working very hard on both keeping my software within the frame of beekeeping, but also so flexible that it can be used by everyone. Of course I am creative, it is my nature, and sometimes it hits back on me being to impulsive and not testing my software properly before releasing. Shame on me YES, but I am just a beekeeper having this crazy idea of making software for the beekeeping and not for my sake. I have long time ago got what I need. But I am still trying to improve my software so that it is much more easy to use. It has been going on for a lot of years now, and I don't think I will stop before Alzheimer take over. The handheld software I have created is definitely only designed for beekeeping. It is though limited to Palm OS based handhelds, but there is a lot of those on the marked. As a new thing to this Handheld software of mine, is the use of a scanner, that simply places the handheld on the right record in handheld database. In practice I only work with one record for each hive thereby saving handheld memory. This means you can have several thousands hives on the handheld. And then the use of scanner is very useful to locate the correct record. I have also made it very simple to set-up the hives in database, by auto creating the hives in database. and at the same time group the hives. Later you can colour the groups and thereby get an easy overview of the hives belonging together. An intersting issue could be what data is needed for Hivenotes. I think, at least here in Europe, there is a national suggestion for the layout of notes, based on years of practical beekeeping. And please remember this is work based on thousands of beekeepers national wide. I think the most important note to make is 'what to do next time you visit the apiary'. A beekeeper 14 days to three weeks ahead of the bees is far better bound for success than the beekeeper looking backward, in my eyes 'wasting time on trying to remember how the weather was a month ago'. Such notes as about the weather is second priority information. But of course all this is individual for each of us. I personal find it much more relevant to keep an eye on the bees, and be ahead of them if possible. I think you should do yourself a favor and take a second look at my software. A loot has gone on and have been done since my first try in this 'software matter'. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 27-05-2001 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 30709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "The God of Hellfire" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9ka4sj$3gcc7$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: Unsociable bees Lines: 59 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 00:46:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.91.145.215 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 996713202 12.91.145.215 (Thu, 02 Aug 2001 00:46:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 00:46:42 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30709 Thanks very much for the info/suggestions. I was able to speak with someone locally, and they said they thought it was yellow hornets. Yippee. :-P Meriah... "KOland" wrote in message news:9ka4sj$3gcc7$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... Probably not honey bees - I mow around mine all the time (including up to and bumping into the hives today) and they never pay attention. Yellow jackets are a different matter. They nest in the ground, seem to hate mowers and weed eaters and will attack anyone that gets right on the nest, pursuing and stinging as you try to get away. To find: either watch around late afternoon to dusk to see where they are going to ground, or wait until the next stinging episode (it will be very close to where it starts). Mark and come back at night. Use the high-power jet spray cans marked for yellow jackets, and spray down the hole (use a flashlight, but stay as far away as possible). That should kill the nest. For new stings, try papaya (papain) based meat tenderizer or baking soda, mixed into a paste. For old, ice packs and topical anesthetics help. "The God of Hellfire" wrote in message news:cUZ97.23870$LP2.1494179@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Hiya, > > I searched through the messages in the NG but didn't find anything that > helped. Several times in the past, bees have stung people mowing my lawn. I > understand mowers can upset them, so I didn't do anything about it, except > to try to avoid certain areas and mow later in the day. Now, however, the > problem's gotten worse. I was just out with my dog in the yard walking > around and we were both stung quite a few times. I clearly need to get the > bees removed. I have no idea where a hive might be - how big a problem is > that for someone removing them? > > Also, the localhoneyforsale.com site didn't have any listings for Virginia. > I live in Hanover Country not far from Richmond. Can anyone give me > recommendations on where to call? I'd prefer having them removed to calling > an exterminator. > > I'd like to know why they attacked like that, too, if you can provide some > insight. And, lastly, suggestions on how to kill the pain would be much > appreciated at this point. > > Thanks, > Meriah... > > Article 30710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: 1 Aug 2001 19:57:18 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996721039 24299 127.0.0.1 (2 Aug 2001 02:57:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 02:57:19 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30710 Howdy Newbee -- What is in the super you put them in? If it is empty, you can move them into a complete hive later. If it is a super of comb or foundation, you are in good shape! I have used nothing but medium supers for many years. All boxes and all frames are interchangeable. Only way to go. Watch for postings and you will find that a lot of beekeepers are using this system. Pete ******************************************************** Article 30711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9vs10 frames Date: 1 Aug 2001 20:05:21 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <20010801073821.17417.00001656@ng-co1.aol.com> <3B683FDF.D2759A78@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996721521 25072 127.0.0.1 (2 Aug 2001 03:05:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 03:05:21 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30711 Howdy Billy -- Nothing wrong with that. The bees may make the narrow band of honey along the top may be made a little thicker, but this does not hamper removal of frames difficult, and you don't "roll" and kill many bees. There will be more bridge comb between the top bars, but not much of a problem. The ideal way for ME is to use 9 frames in the nest crowded shoulder to shoulder, with a 1/2" frame of hardware cloth on each side. The narrow frame can be removed and then the frames can be easily removed. Pete *********************************************************8 > I run 9 in my brood boxes but I have been using a 9 frame spacer to > space them evenly, so they are not shoulder to shoulder. Is this wrong? > Why? Article 30712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unsociable bees Date: 1 Aug 2001 20:11:27 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996721888 25326 127.0.0.1 (2 Aug 2001 03:11:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 03:11:28 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30712 Howdy Meriah -- Sounds like yellow jackets instead of bees. Catch one and get it identified. Bees feeding on clover or dandilion in the lawn usually sting only when stepped on with bare feet. If it is yellow jackets, the exterminator may find the nest and destroy it. If it really is honey bees, the nest is far away. Let us know. Pete *************************************************************** Article 30713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Paper Wasp Nest Date: 1 Aug 2001 20:19:42 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996722382 25608 127.0.0.1 (2 Aug 2001 03:19:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 03:19:42 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30713 Howdy PW -- You are to be complimented for your desire to avoid destroying the nest and colony. Wasps do not forage far from home as bees do, so moving them several blocks away should work. Bees must be moved at least two miles to get away from territory they know. Both of these critters program their brains so they can come back home. Honeybees do this the first day they come out of the hive. It is called their "orientation flight" which beginners often mistake for swarming. Pete ************************************************************ Article 30714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone laying workers Date: 1 Aug 2001 20:29:57 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3B67F359.6F4674CC@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996722997 25900 127.0.0.1 (2 Aug 2001 03:29:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 03:29:57 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30714 Howdy Paul -- 20-30 meters should work as well as 200. If you try this, let us know the outcome. This has not worked for me. The laying workers along with the other bees get back to the home site before I do. You might consider doing that for whatever good it may do, then join a queenright colony on top of this one by the newspaaper method. This protects the combs and salvages the workers in the problem colony even though they are all old bees. It's pretty late in the season for them to grow a new queen, and it is difficult to get this type colony to accept a new queen if you give it one. Let us know. Pete ********************************************** Article 30715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.tn.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: loot70@hotmail.com (loot) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feral Hive Message-ID: <3b68cf30.18433561@news> References: <3b5f5478.92429342@news> <3b64b212.122591000@news> <9k933j$2si$1@uranium.btinternet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 23 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 03:59:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.12.65.185 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.tn.home.com 996724780 24.12.65.185 (Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:59:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:59:40 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30715 On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:15:15 +0100, "Ian Williams" wrote: >Hi Will >I have been admiring your Pic of the Trashcan Bee Vac. Could you explain to >me how you got the mob of very angry bees out of the vac to re-hive them? The trashcan bee vac has an inner lid of plywood and screen. There was a lip around the inside of the trashcan about 10 inches down. I cut a piece of plywood in the shape of a circle to fit down inside the trashcan. I then cut two half circles out of the plywood and screened it underneath leaving a handle down the center. The bees were sucked in under the screen so it was just a matter of taking the lid off then the inner lid and pouring them into a hive with a bit of a whack. I sprayed them down a couple of times with some sugar water and they didn't seem to mind the whole experience a bit. There were also some more holes below the screen to get the vac ported properly so that it didn't suck them too hard. You want the vac to just barely suck them off the comb, just enough to annoy you. I could take some more pictures of the workings of the vac if you're interested. Will Article 30716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers over inner cover Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:56:05 +0100 Lines: 35 Message-ID: <9kau0o$6r5$3@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <9jv9sh$p6l$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-78.plutonium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 996735832 7013 62.136.66.206 (2 Aug 2001 07:03:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 07:03:52 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30716 My preference is to leave supers on the colonies until November - by then they will be very clean and can be stored without any danger of attack from wax moth. One other point: I always put wet supers under the crown board (or inner cover) - sometimes bees will die in large numbers if the supers are put over the crown board and the weather is very hot. I also have a theory that some become very sticky and drop down on to the crown board where they die, but that putting the supers under the crown board means that they drop down to the brood nest where other bees clean them up! Perhaps others will have thoughts on this! "Angela & Keith Copi" wrote in message news:9jv9sh$p6l$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > This is my second year keeping bees in central Virginia. Last weekend I > extracted, and , as recommended by some folks at the local club, put the wet > supers back on the hives over the inner cover. Today, I went to take them > off and found them full of bees. Is one week not long enough? To me they > look clean, but the bees seem to still be very attracted to them. I also > left about ten pounds of honey in partially filled and uncapped frames above > the inner cover on a reasonably strong colony which seems to have plenty of > storage space below, but they have hardly touched it. I need to get the > supers off in the next week or two, since that is when we do our "fall" > varroa treatments. > > Thanks, > > Keith > > Article 30717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010731190328.27095.00000930@mb-md.aol.com> Subject: Re: Honey Labels Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:05:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 996753929 66.31.162.165 (Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:05:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:05:29 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30717 > Can someone post the address, (web or snail) or phone number of someone who > deals in pre-printed honey labels. R.M. Farms P.O. Box 684 Dearborn Hts, MI 48127-0684 734-722-7727 If you send them $2 (or something close) they'll send you a bunch of samples of their various labels. We ended up buying from them - very good service. -Steve Article 30718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee venom Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:36:31 +0100 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9kau0n$6r5$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3B64ADD5.9000501@yahoo.com> <3B654DA1.2C7392BD@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-78.plutonium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 996735831 7013 62.136.66.206 (2 Aug 2001 07:03:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 07:03:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30718 I think that the latest research suggests that stings are likely to cause arthritis at the site of the sting, but that stings in areas away from the painful joints may give relief. Presumably, beekeepers should therefore suffer more arthritis in their hands, but not suffer as much in other joints. I am not at all sure that this is true - there seems to be quite a lot of elderly arthritic beekeepers around! "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3B654DA1.2C7392BD@atlas.localdomain... > Taylor Francis wrote: > > > > Is it really helpful for arthritis and joint pain? > > > > Taylor > > > I have seen positive reports on this idea, but then I've seen > contradictory medical reports. Maybe if one THINKS that it helps, it > does. > -- > Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the > louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. > | -- Benjamin Franklin Article 30719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk!paul From: Paul Tomlin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:23:16 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> <9kau0m$6r5$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-20.cod.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 996740521 11272 217.134.28.20 (2 Aug 2001 08:22:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 08:22:01 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-6-U () Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30719 On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Gadget wrote: Three articles. Sorry about that, it was me [Paul]. I was just using the wrong alias [that's my surfing nickname]. All sorted now. -- Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] Remove nospam from email address to reply Article 30720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Labels Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <20010731190328.27095.00000930@mb-md.aol.com> <3B680A69.2AA150FF@okstate.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 10 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 07:15:47 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.217.9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 996733177 62.255.217.9 (Thu, 02 Aug 2001 07:19:37 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 07:19:37 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30720 On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:55:53 -0500, Gary Johns wrote: >Thorne wants $40.00 f0r 1000. I just got 100 custom labels for £1-80, + p+p. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis - smile until it hurts. Article 30721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:30:42 +0100 Lines: 44 Message-ID: <9kau0m$6r5$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-78.plutonium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 996735830 7013 62.136.66.206 (2 Aug 2001 07:03:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 07:03:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30721 Depends on the spacing of the frames and the cell size. If there are only nine frames to the super, which many beekeepers use, then you will get brace comb built between the frames. If the comb is drone size, then you have an even bigger problem! I would suggest that a super with worker comb is useful in an emergency, but that you really should get the bees into a brood box asap. Provided that they are not a very small cast and that you feed them well, there should still be time to build them before the winter. You should also check for varroa - they could be carrying quite a large number at this time of the year. Certainly seek local advice - Devon is one of the country's most active counties for beekeeping with plenty of good associations. "Paul Tomlin" wrote in message news:7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk... > Just a question from a pair of beginners [with the caveat that we are > seeking local advice too]. > > My wife and I have inherited all her father's bee equipment [he has > become hyper-sensitised to bee venom], but not all of it is cleaned up > yet. > > Last week we found a swarm nearby and got it in a box. That evening we > set up a small hive for them, but we didn't have any brood frames ready > [or any foundation to make any up]. Instead we just gave 'em a super as > a brood chamber, a queen excluder and a super above. I know this is > hardly ideal, but we thought that, when necessary, we could put another > super in to enlarge the brood chamber, thinking this would be like > having a brood and a half. > [but in this case a brood and a quarter] ;-) > > What problems might this cause? > > BTW is there a FAQ for this newsgroup? > > -- > Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] > Remove nospam from email address to reply Article 30722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk!gadget From: Gadget Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:54:15 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> <3b688ccd.215528150@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-961.cod.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 996738539 3063 217.134.31.193 (2 Aug 2001 07:48:59 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 07:48:59 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-6-U () Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30722 On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, beekeep wrote: >The old saying goes: > >A swarm in May is worth a bale of hay. >A swarm in June is worth a siler spoon. >A swarm in July isn't worth a fly. I would have thought a silver spoon was worth a bit more than a bale of hay [2.00 UK pounds for good stuff]. :-) >One would then surmize that a swarm in August is going to cost you >plenty. You will have to feed, feed ,feed and then they still >probably won't make it. Starting now to build a large winter cluster >is damn near impossible. Thanks for the warning, what do you suggest? Pass them on to someone else? If I were to feed, should I start straight away? -- Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] Remove nospam from email address to reply Article 30723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk!gadget From: Gadget Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:02:21 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> <9kau0m$6r5$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-961.cod.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 996738542 3063 217.134.31.193 (2 Aug 2001 07:49:02 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 07:49:02 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-6-U () Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30723 On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Peter Edwards wrote: >Depends on the spacing of the frames and the cell size. Eleven frames of fresh foundation in a National super >I would suggest that a super with worker comb is useful in an emergency, but >that you really should get the bees into a brood box asap. Put it above or below the existing super, which already has three or four frames with capped cells? Or should I transfer the frames to the bigger box and risk them making a mess in the big space below? >Provided that >they are not a very small cast and that you feed them well, there should >still be time to build them before the winter. Start feeding now? >You should also check for varroa - they could be carrying quite a large >number at this time of the year. I thought I might hang a couple of strips of Apistan in now, is that OK? >Certainly seek local advice - Devon is one of the country's most active >counties for beekeeping with plenty of good associations. Yes, our man from Holsworthy is very nice. :-) -- Gadget [Bude, Cornwall, UK] [Remove NOSPAM from my address to reply] Article 30724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk!gadget From: Gadget Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:54:29 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-961.cod.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 996738541 3063 217.134.31.193 (2 Aug 2001 07:49:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 07:49:01 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-6-U () Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30724 On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Pete wrote: > What is in the super you put them in? If it is empty, you can >move them into a complete hive later. Super full of new foundation. > If it is a super of comb or foundation, you are in good shape! >I have used nothing but medium supers for many years. All boxes >and all frames are interchangeable. Only way to go. Watch for >postings and you will find that a lot of beekeepers are using this >system. Thanks for the info Pete. I looked at them last night, they have drawn out all but the two outside frames. Three frames in the middle have some capped cells. I was in a bit of a rush and it was a bit dark at 10pm to see the state of the brood. Shall I wait until the brood chamber is getting used up, or give the queen more space now? They have not done much with the super above the excluder, only two frames drawn out and none used. -- Gadget [Bude, Cornwall, UK] [Remove NOSPAM from my address to reply] Article 30725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:31:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3b694408.262435067@news1.radix.net> References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> <3b688ccd.215528150@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30725 On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:54:15 +0100, Gadget wrote: >On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, beekeep wrote: >>The old saying goes: >> >>A swarm in May is worth a bale of hay. >>A swarm in June is worth a siler spoon. >>A swarm in July isn't worth a fly. > >I would have thought a silver spoon was worth a bit more than a bale of >hay [2.00 UK pounds for good stuff]. :-) > >>One would then surmize that a swarm in August is going to cost you >>plenty. You will have to feed, feed ,feed and then they still >>probably won't make it. Starting now to build a large winter cluster >>is damn near impossible. > >Thanks for the warning, what do you suggest? Pass them on to someone >else? > >If I were to feed, should I start straight away? > >-- >Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] >Remove nospam from email address to reply By all means play with them, just don't get too disapointed or discouraged if you fail as the odds are against you. Do the math. A bee lives 6 weeks. That is 42 days. In the spring the queen can lay up to 2000 eggs per day so in 42 days you have 84,000 baby bees in various stages of developement. Starting a swarm now with a queen that will be laying 700 - 800 eggs a day will result in 33,600 bees getting ready to be born with the original swarm will be in its last days. The new bees won't be foraging for another 4 weeks after they are born to boot. If you were to plot the population you would see a huge drop around the 42 day mark and then a gradual comeback to a full population of 60,000 bees needed for the winter cluster. Time is against you as the populations maximum growth is put into October, which is when egg laying really starts to decrease making the problem worse. Bees can raise more brood in the summer months as well due to the temperature. In October they will have to produce much heat to keep the brood warm. beekeep Article 30726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 32 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Aug 2001 12:37:39 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Unsociable bees Message-ID: <20010802083739.18765.00002228@mb-mv.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30726 >I searched through the messages in the NG but didn't find anything that >helped. Several times in the past, bees have stung people mowing my lawn. I >understand mowers can upset them, so I didn't do anything about it Most likely yellow jackets, which can build into large colonies late in the summer. Look for them in holes in the ground. They like to find old mouse holes which they then enlarge. Here's a pictoral to help identify them: http://pollinator.com/Identify/whatsbuzzin.htm If you can find the nest, you can exterminate them by dumping a bucket of hot water with a cup of dish detergent into the hole (at night, with no light, as they are all home then). This will off them without damaging ground water supplies (Every now and then some idiot will recommend dumping gasoline into the hole which is a great way to add carcinogens to our drinking water.) If they really are bees, look for a nest in a hollow tree. Bees are not nearly so apt to sting as yellow jackets, but if they have a low entrance, and you pass in front of it, they may bump you on their way home, and sting reflexively. Once in awhile you have a rogue colony that is just plain mean, but they aren't common anymore. To find a local beekeeper call your county extension agent, or check the pollinator list at: http://pollinator.com/polbkprs.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 30727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!feeder.qis.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Aug 2001 12:40:37 GMT References: <3B69D4E7@MailAndNews.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: do bees vacate a hive? Message-ID: <20010802084037.18765.00002230@mb-mv.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30727 >also, what's the url to a page that lists beekeepers for a state? >i found one, but it's under construction. if those bees are still >there, then i need to find a beekeeper in south mississippi. Beekeepers who do pollination service are listed at: http://pollinator.com/polbkprs.htm If they don't do bee removals, they may know someone who does. Also check with your county extension office. You can also check for local bee associations at Who's Who in Beekeeping at http://airoot.com Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 30728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!easynet-monga!easynet.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone laying workers Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:23:32 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 25 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3B692A24.FD0131A0@york.ac.uk> References: <3B67F359.6F4674CC@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 996747789 20310 144.32.85.141 (2 Aug 2001 10:23:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 10:23:09 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30728 Thanks for the advice, It looks as though this is a lost cause. It was a swarm collected by my father early this year. (He is not a beekeeper: I just have some hives in his back garden and I'd gone away for the weekend) he hived it himself which was brave and I'd rather liked to have saved this hive. At first there was quite a lot of brood and the queen was laying. I guess she must have died. Mmmh! I'll have to think about this one. Beekeeping in an urban area can have its problems, so far in three years none of my neighbours has been stung, but a troublesome angry colony may just be not worth loosing my hard fought reputation that my bees are quite docile. (I've already caused some concern this year when a swarm landed in next doors apple tree! (At least they saw the funny side that time watching me up a ladder trying to retrieve them)! Thanks once again. Paul. Article 30729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 From: "Steven D. Hagerty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unsociable bees Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:23:03 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <9kbnhl02ki7@enews4.newsguy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-346.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30729 They like things like perfume, deodorant, maybe even shampoo.... I have had several sting me just because of the deodorant I was using. Also.. as far as easing the sting.... first.. try to scrape off the stinger.... with either a fingernail or knife immediately. This will knock off the venom sac.. so you don't get the full effect of the sting. Secondly, try a dab of honey on the sting, or tobacco I've heard Steve Article 30730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Recycling queens by establishing feral colonies X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3B696D99.186E6450@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:11:21 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 38 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30730 The time for fall requeening is just around the corner and once again I am faced with the unpleasant task of killing a perfectly good but older queen and replacing her with a younger woman. It seems such a waste to destroy such a beautiful animal. Sure, I could use her in a nuc but I don't really want more hives and she would likely swarm in the spring anyway and most probably establish a feral hive somewhere in the woods nearby. So lately I have been thinking why not bypass the middleman and establish a feral colony directly using said queen in a hollow tree somewhere in the woods that surround my property? The books and archives have lots of info explaining how to move a feral colony into a managed hive. But what about the opposite? Move a managed queen to a feral existence. Put her out to pasture, if you will. For fall requeening this probably isn't an option but with spring requeening there would be ample time for the colony to establish themselves. As far as I can tell, Kansas is virtually devoid of feral colonies. At least in my locale. Establishing feral hives with minimum effort/cost and monitoring their progress over the long term could turn fruitful. The bees would be left to their own devices to battle the mites and so forth and in time could develop mite resistance naturally along with a better adaptation to the local environment. Obviously a lot of colonies would die along the way. Can anyone give me ideas on good ways to do this? I would have a 2 year old queen and need some way of forcing a swarm in a way that I could control it. I would want just enough bees needed to establish the hive but no more as I don't want to weaken the source colony any more than I have to. I would then requeen the source hive with a purchased queen like I normally do. I would like to take this swarm and hive them in a hollow tree and let them establish a natural hive there. Any ideas? Thanks, -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 30731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!feeder.qis.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone laying workers (Another thought) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 17:10:11 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 43 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3B697B63.812AB4C@york.ac.uk> References: <3B67F359.6F4674CC@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 996768591 10416 144.32.85.141 (2 Aug 2001 16:09:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 16:09:52 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30731 Hi all, Just a last thought, If I just move the hive, not take it apart, but just move it then the flying workers would return to the original site but the laying workers not...... Or do the laying workers fly and forage like ordinary workers? at least then I could salvage the flying workers and unite them with another colony.. Just a thought. Paul. Paul Waites wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a hive that has lost its queen and now has drone laying workers > present. > > The technique described to me was to: > > 1 Move the hive 200 metres > 2 Place a nuc box with a couple of combs of drawn comb on the original > site. > 3 The flying bees will return to the original site but the laying > workers will not. > 4 After three days destroy the drone larvae in the hive and kill the few > workers that are left as they could be the laying workers. > 5 The hive can then be re set-up on its original site and a comb with > eggs can be introduced so that they will use it to raise a new queen. > > I follow all that but I live in a urban area (York U.k) so the furthest > that i could shift the hive is 10-20 metres. Will that be sufficient? > > Are there any other methods I could try? > > Thanks for any advice. > > Paul. Article 30732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: pwplee@hotmail.com (Pen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Paper Wasp Nest Date: 2 Aug 2001 09:44:02 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.102.92.172 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996770642 18454 127.0.0.1 (2 Aug 2001 16:44:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 16:44:02 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30732 Thank you Pete, the info is very helpful. :) I think I've seen the wasps do their 'orietation flight'. They hover a foot away from the new nest location and move in and out of the surrounding area for several minutes before foraging. Each time I re-released a stray onto the nest I must have disturbed learning ones and they flew away in fear of me. In total, there were 8 wasps but four resides in the new location taking care of the larvae. The remaining four have started a new nest on the garage door. :) Article 30733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone.bc.net!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone laying workers Date: 2 Aug 2001 19:25:12 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <9kc9eo$4fj$0@65.201.241.11> References: <3B67F359.6F4674CC@york.ac.uk> <9ka4er$3ecqo$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.11 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30733 On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:45:54 -0400, "KOland" wrote: >Paul, > >Move as far away as possible. Shake ALL bees onto the ground, make sure all >frames are completely free of bees. blow out with leaf blower, or brush all >the frames (this makes them madder). the non-laying workers will fly back >(some nurse bees are lost, as well as laying workers). put hive back where >it was and introduce queen in a cage. feed bees to simulate nectar flow to >get them to accept queen faster. From what I've read, this is often a big waste of time. Laying workers have been observed laying eggs, then going out and foraging, and returning to lay more eggs. So there is nothing to keep the laying workers from returning as well. I'd try the following: Start a new colony with about 5 frames of bees/brood from an existing colony and your new queen. Once the queen has been excepted and is laying, combine the new colony with the laying worker colony using the newspaper method. -Tim Article 30734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!e420r-chi1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@IH8spam.pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone laying workers Message-ID: <3b69aa33.11170281@chicago.usenetserver.com> References: <3B67F359.6F4674CC@york.ac.uk> <3B692A24.FD0131A0@york.ac.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:28:46 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. - ReInventing The UseNet Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 19:32:15 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30734 I disagree with the shake the bees method .. what seems to work best for me is to take the hive and combine one broaod chamber on top of another hive using newspaper and combine the other brood chamber on another differnet hive again using newspaper Dave On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:23:32 +0100, Paul Waites wrote: >Thanks for the advice, > >It looks as though this is a lost cause. > >It was a swarm collected by my father early this year. (He is not a >beekeeper: I just have some hives in his back garden and I'd gone away for >the weekend) he hived it himself which was brave and I'd rather liked to >have saved this hive. > >At first there was quite a lot of brood and the queen was laying. I guess >she must have died. > >Mmmh! I'll have to think about this one. Beekeeping in an urban area can >have its problems, so far in three years none of my neighbours has been >stung, but a troublesome angry colony may just be not worth loosing my hard >fought reputation that my bees are quite docile. (I've already caused some >concern this year when a swarm landed in next doors apple tree! (At least >they saw the funny side that time watching me up a ladder trying to retrieve >them)! > >Thanks once again. > >Paul. > > Article 30735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.hawaii.edu!not-for-mail From: Maren Purves Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:51:37 -1000 Organization: Joint Astronomy Centre, Hilo, HI Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3B69BD59.71FE@jach.hawaii.edu> References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> <3b688ccd.215528150@news1.radix.net> <3b694408.262435067@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: elua.jach.hawaii.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.hawaii.edu 996785497 2138 128.171.90.2 (2 Aug 2001 20:51:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@hawaii.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 20:51:37 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30735 beekeep wrote: > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:54:15 +0100, Gadget > wrote: > >On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, beekeep wrote: > >>The old saying goes: > >> > >>A swarm in May is worth a bale of hay. > >>A swarm in June is worth a siler spoon. > >>A swarm in July isn't worth a fly. > > > >I would have thought a silver spoon was worth a bit more than a bale of > >hay [2.00 UK pounds for good stuff]. :-) > > > >>One would then surmize that a swarm in August is going to cost you > >>plenty. You will have to feed, feed ,feed and then they still > >>probably won't make it. Starting now to build a large winter cluster > >>is damn near impossible. > > > >Thanks for the warning, what do you suggest? Pass them on to someone > >else? > > > >If I were to feed, should I start straight away? > > > >-- > >Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] > >Remove nospam from email address to reply > > making the problem worse. Bees can raise more brood in the summer > months as well due to the temperature. In October they will have to > produce much heat to keep the brood warm. doesn't this all very much depend on _where_? Devon doesn't get all that cold I'd think ... Maren, Hilo, HI. (doesn't get cold here by most people's standards, only by mine.) Article 30736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 22:13:16 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3b69cffa.298261010@news1.radix.net> References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> <3b688ccd.215528150@news1.radix.net> <3b694408.262435067@news1.radix.net> <3B69BD59.71FE@jach.hawaii.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30736 On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:51:37 -1000, Maren Purves wrote: >beekeep wrote: >> On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:54:15 +0100, Gadget >> wrote: >> >On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, beekeep wrote: >> >>The old saying goes: >> >> >> >>A swarm in May is worth a bale of hay. >> >>A swarm in June is worth a siler spoon. >> >>A swarm in July isn't worth a fly. >> > >> >I would have thought a silver spoon was worth a bit more than a bale of >> >hay [2.00 UK pounds for good stuff]. :-) >> > >> >>One would then surmize that a swarm in August is going to cost you >> >>plenty. You will have to feed, feed ,feed and then they still >> >>probably won't make it. Starting now to build a large winter cluster >> >>is damn near impossible. >> > >> >Thanks for the warning, what do you suggest? Pass them on to someone >> >else? >> > >> >If I were to feed, should I start straight away? >> > >> >-- >> >Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] >> >Remove nospam from email address to reply >> >> making the problem worse. Bees can raise more brood in the summer >> months as well due to the temperature. In October they will have to >> produce much heat to keep the brood warm. > >doesn't this all very much depend on _where_? > >Devon doesn't get all that cold I'd think ... > >Maren, Hilo, HI. >(doesn't get cold here by most people's standards, only by mine.) A lot of what bees do is dependant on the length of the day. Why else would the queen start laying around Christmas day. They can detect the days getting longer. beekeep Article 30737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk!paul From: Paul Tomlin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:47:25 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> <3b688ccd.215528150@news1.radix.net> <3b694408.262435067@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-622.crab.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 996792370 877 217.134.34.110 (2 Aug 2001 22:46:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 22:46:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-6-U () Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30737 Beekeep wrote: >>>One would then surmize that a swarm in August is going to cost you >>>plenty. You will have to feed, feed ,feed and then they still >>>probably won't make it. Starting now to build a large winter cluster >>>is damn near impossible. >> >>Thanks for the warning, what do you suggest? Pass them on to someone >>else? >By all means play with them, just don't get too disapointed or >discouraged if you fail as the odds are against you. > >Do the math. A bee lives 6 weeks. That is 42 days. In the spring >the queen can lay up to 2000 eggs per day so in 42 days you have >84,000 baby bees in various stages of developement. Starting a swarm >now with a queen that will be laying 700 - 800 eggs a day will result >in 33,600 bees getting ready to be born with the original swarm will >be in its last days. The new bees won't be foraging for another 4 >weeks after they are born to boot. If you were to plot the population >you would see a huge drop around the 42 day mark and then a gradual >comeback to a full population of 60,000 bees needed for the winter >cluster. OK, I did the maths [sorry for my Britishness], or rather M$ Excel did. :-) I got the colony dropping to 15,400 workers by mid August, when all the old workers had died. And I never got the numbers to get back up to 60,000, my calculations got the colony plateaued at 33,100 in 63 days [late September] and stayed there. I admit I made some wild generalisations. Firstly, I took the lifespan of a worker to be fixed at 63 days [21+42] from newly laid egg to death, when it can be as much as 7months of overwintering bees. And secondly I took the Queen's laying rate to be fixed at 700 a day throughout, instead of tapering off as the season comes to a close. So from that, I see what you mean. Does a viable Winter cluster have to be 60,000? Or does it depend on the harshness of the climate? -- Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] Remove nospam from email address to reply Article 30738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: 2 Aug 2001 16:09:58 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996793799 31998 127.0.0.1 (2 Aug 2001 23:09:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2001 23:09:59 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30738 Howdy Gadget -- I suggest that you remove the QX and begin feeding them now so they can store enough to winter on. Go ahead and put in strips. Sounds like you will have a fine colony next spring. Pete **********************************************************8 Article 30739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee - just caught a swarm Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 23:47:57 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 68 Message-ID: <3b69e42d.303432770@news1.radix.net> References: <7664MoEccHa7Ewxb@bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk> <3b688ccd.215528150@news1.radix.net> <3b694408.262435067@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30739 On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:47:25 +0100, Paul Tomlin wrote: >Beekeep wrote: >>>>One would then surmize that a swarm in August is going to cost you >>>>plenty. You will have to feed, feed ,feed and then they still >>>>probably won't make it. Starting now to build a large winter cluster >>>>is damn near impossible. >>> >>>Thanks for the warning, what do you suggest? Pass them on to someone >>>else? > >>By all means play with them, just don't get too disapointed or >>discouraged if you fail as the odds are against you. >> >>Do the math. A bee lives 6 weeks. That is 42 days. In the spring >>the queen can lay up to 2000 eggs per day so in 42 days you have >>84,000 baby bees in various stages of developement. Starting a swarm >>now with a queen that will be laying 700 - 800 eggs a day will result >>in 33,600 bees getting ready to be born with the original swarm will >>be in its last days. The new bees won't be foraging for another 4 >>weeks after they are born to boot. If you were to plot the population >>you would see a huge drop around the 42 day mark and then a gradual >>comeback to a full population of 60,000 bees needed for the winter >>cluster. > >OK, I did the maths [sorry for my Britishness], >or rather M$ Excel did. :-) > >I got the colony dropping to 15,400 workers by mid August, when all the >old workers had died. >And I never got the numbers to get back up to 60,000, my calculations >got the colony plateaued at 33,100 in 63 days [late September] and >stayed there. > >I admit I made some wild generalisations. >Firstly, I took the lifespan of a worker to be fixed at 63 days [21+42] >from newly laid egg to death, when it can be as much as 7months of >overwintering bees. >And secondly I took the Queen's laying rate to be fixed at 700 a day >throughout, instead of tapering off as the season comes to a close. > >So from that, I see what you mean. >Does a viable Winter cluster have to be 60,000? >Or does it depend on the harshness of the climate? > >-- >Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] >Remove nospam from email address to reply If they are Carni's they would make it with 10,000. Italians on the other hand are generally a high population bee. Keep in mind that they drop like flies in the spring. The early spring time is when many colonies die by starvation as well. Feeding just sugar is not enough as it takes protien to raise brood. Pollen patties will also be needed. The trick to surviving the winter months comes from the last hatched bees not feeding brood. Feeding brood weakens bees drastically as it takes a lot from their bodies. Once these bees start feeding brood in the spring their biological clock starts ticking. The larger the brood nest grows the more feeding is involved and the life spans are decreased. This is the trick behing making comb honey by shaking bees on foundation. By removing the brood and reducing it to almost nothing the foragers live longer simulating a much larger work force. beekeep Article 30740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "The God of Hellfire" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Unsociable bees (Update) Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 01:10:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.91.145.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 996801030 12.91.145.115 (Fri, 03 Aug 2001 01:10:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 01:10:30 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30740 FYI, someone came out today to deal with it. They confirmed that they were yellow hornets, and found and destroyed a 4-tier hive. My dog and I are very relieved, and hopefully they won't be back anytime soon. Thanks for all the suggestions and information! Meriah... Article 30741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Recycling queens by establishing feral colonies Date: 2 Aug 2001 19:11:49 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3B696D99.186E6450@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.118 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996804709 5281 127.0.0.1 (3 Aug 2001 02:11:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 2001 02:11:49 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30741 Howdy Billy -- Bees are just livestock. We would not use the "survival of the fittest" on our herds or flocks or pets. I spend a lot of time and energy in getting colonies out of walls in order to give them help as needed and better the odds for survival. But after saying that: You might want to wait until spring to requeen and use the old queen to make up a nuc or crowd them and then catch the swarm. The swarm or nuc can be put in any sturdy wooden box or hive big enough to a full size colony. You can take it into the woods and fasten it up in a tree. This is the only way I think of to get them back to nature. Good luck. Pete ************************************************************ Article 30744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Paper Wasp Nest Date: 3 Aug 2001 14:28:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996874116 10724 127.0.0.1 (3 Aug 2001 21:28:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 2001 21:28:36 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30744 Howdy Again Pen -- You might be interested to know that in the wasp family, all the males die in fall and winter. Only the bred females survive winter. When spring comes, she must start building the nest alone. The newly hatched offspring begin helping her by adding to the nest and feeding larvae. So next spring watch for a single wasp on a tiny nest of 2 or 3 cells. It will be interesting to watch the progress. Pete ************************************************************** Article 30745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ian Williams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feral Hive Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 23:11:16 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 37 Message-ID: <9kf7ll$b3p$1@uranium.btinternet.com> References: <3b5f5478.92429342@news> <3b64b212.122591000@news> <9k933j$2si$1@uranium.btinternet.com> <3b68cf30.18433561@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-126-69.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30745 Hi Will Thanks for the information. The Trashcan has got me real interested! Would welcome more pics. Ian (Wales) [freebeeuk@btinternet.com] <><><><><><><><><><> "Honey is sweet. Bees sting!" <><><><><><><><><><> "loot" wrote in message news:3b68cf30.18433561@news... > On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:15:15 +0100, "Ian Williams" > wrote: > > >Hi Will > >I have been admiring your Pic of the Trashcan Bee Vac. Could you explain to > >me how you got the mob of very angry bees out of the vac to re-hive them? > > > The trashcan bee vac has an inner lid of plywood and screen. There > was a lip around the inside of the trashcan about 10 inches down. I > cut a piece of plywood in the shape of a circle to fit down inside the > trashcan. I then cut two half circles out of the plywood and screened > it underneath leaving a handle down the center. The bees were sucked > in under the screen so it was just a matter of taking the lid off then > the inner lid and pouring them into a hive with a bit of a whack. I > sprayed them down a couple of times with some sugar water and they > didn't seem to mind the whole experience a bit. There were also some > more holes below the screen to get the vac ported properly so that it > didn't suck them too hard. You want the vac to just barely suck them > off the comb, just enough to annoy you. I could take some more > pictures of the workings of the vac if you're interested. > > Will Article 30746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: qbeelady@yahoo.com (farmergirl) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan or coumaphos? Date: 3 Aug 2001 18:37:53 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.29.117.133 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 996889073 18460 127.0.0.1 (4 Aug 2001 01:37:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 2001 01:37:53 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30746 First time posting here - been using Apistan in the fall for mite control but the bee inspector has advised me to start alternating with coumaphos. I really don't want to get on the organophosphate treadmill if I don't have to so...As I understand it from reading the archives, after 45 days with Apistan if resistance was present I would see a heavy population of varroa. What is the likely hood that someone using the strips in the prescribed manner would find resistance? Has this happened to anyone on this list? Thanks for your replies! FarmerGirl Article 30747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sdd.hp.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news3.rdc2.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B6B7A3A.D8585BB@home.com> From: David Ramalho Organization: ***EarthScibbs*** X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I collaborate rough PGPs in the vulnerable fake buffer, whilst Corinne wastefully posts them too. References: <09201800.7750828476.09e626f7@posting1.google.com> <20010803212440.02221.00002241@ng-ck1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 04:30:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.100.247.48 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news3.rdc2.on.home.com 996899431 24.100.247.48 (Fri, 03 Aug 2001 21:30:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 21:30:31 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30747 HarrisonRW wrote: > > What is this crap? Good evening The posting you are replying to was designed to disrupt the newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse.email http://www.therealgame.clara.co.uk/antispam/faq/faq3.txt A spammer using the moniker "Hipcrime", is organizing the flooding of various newsgroups with non-sense postings. When you read a posting such as that, please do not reply. Regards David Ramalho Article 30748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Aug 2001 06:44:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: gads--so much pornography Message-ID: <20010804024437.27119.00002311@mb-md.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30748 Any alternatives?!!!--this site was crammed with porno tonight--don't dare anymore to have my kid help me read the postings. Article 30749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan or coumaphos? Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 09:45:54 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3b6bc3dd.426232580@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30749 On 3 Aug 2001 18:37:53 -0700, qbeelady@yahoo.com (farmergirl) wrote: >First time posting here - been using Apistan in the fall for mite >control but the bee inspector has advised me to start alternating with >coumaphos. I really don't want to get on the organophosphate treadmill >if I don't have to so...As I understand it from reading the archives, >after 45 days with Apistan if resistance was present I would see a >heavy population of varroa. What is the likely hood that someone >using the strips in the prescribed manner would find resistance? Has >this happened to anyone on this list? >Thanks for your replies! >FarmerGirl You can use this as an option as posted a week or so ago: > 25 cheap foam sponges cut in half > 1 - 125 gr. jar of thymol > Add 1/2 ounce of menthol to jar > Add 1/2 ounce of champhor to the jar > Add eucaliptus oil to fill the jar. > Let stand for 24 hrs. untill completely disolved. > In a bucket pour over the cut sponges. > Use a second bucket to compress the sponges overnight. > Put one sponge on the top bars under the inner cover. > Repeat in a week with a new sponge. After 6 - 8 years I have not seen any signs of resistance. beekeek Article 30750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: gads--so much pornography Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 09:48:11 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3b6bc491.426412338@news1.radix.net> References: <20010804024437.27119.00002311@mb-md.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30750 On 04 Aug 2001 06:44:37 GMT, lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) wrote: >Any alternatives?!!!--this site was crammed with porno tonight--don't dare >anymore to have my kid help me read the postings. > This group is cleaner than TV. What do you cosider porno? beekeep Article 30751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bee Charmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan or coumaphos? Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 05:00:58 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30751 I would only use coumaphos as a last resort and would think twice about it then. It's meant as a treatment for resistent mites and hive beetles, not as something to rotate routinely with Apistan. Last year we used Apistan in the spring and formic gel in the fall with excellent results. Now that the gel isn't on the shelves yet, we'll probably do ether rolls for mites and only treat those hives that need it with Apistan. We'll also medicate with Menthol after taking the honey off in a few weeks. chris www.greathoney.com Article 30752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ride Share/Car Pool To EAS 2001? Date: 4 Aug 2001 08:22:39 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9kh3vv027e@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-197.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.80 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30752 I am driving to EAS 2001 for the conference portion of the meeting. 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