Article 33005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Mite thresholds X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3D49473A.162FE814@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:35:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33005 Group, Been putting sticky boards under my screened bottoms to check mites and was wondering what everyone considers to be the threshold 24 hour mite drop for treatment. If I get 50 or more in 24 hours I take the hive out of production and treat with apistan. Is this proper? So far 2 out of 7 fit this criteria. Otherwise, I wait until October, after the flows are done for the year. Thanks, Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 33006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: otto.slavik@gems9.gov.bc.ca (Otto) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: purple loosestrife Date: 1 Aug 2002 13:34:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.22.16.53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028234076 2447 127.0.0.1 (1 Aug 2002 20:34:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2002 20:34:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33006 ...does anyone have any experience with this plant?...How does it rate as a source of nectar? pollen?....what does the honey looks like? color? taste? crystalization....Thanks...O Article 33007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Cleaning Queen Excluder Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <4nm29.19199$Kl6.1207655@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 02:45:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.128.43 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1028256320 12.81.128.43 (Fri, 02 Aug 2002 02:45:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 02:45:20 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33007 Don't know about Vaseline, but why do they need to be clean. I just scrape them with a hive tool and then use a wire brush before I put them on. I don't bother trying to fight with the bees urge to burr them up once they are on. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there "Malcolm Perrement" wrote in message news:tQX19.49750$Hj3.147163@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... > G, day Folks, > Even though I put my excluders in a solar melter I still find that it is > still not completely clean. I have read that you can rub Vaseline in the > excluder, is this correct? > Malcolm > > Article 33008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning Queen Excluder Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:50:37 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: <4nm29.19199$Kl6.1207655@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: 42.20.3f.d7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 2 Aug 2002 04:59:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33008 I use a hot pressure washer. I quit putting them in the solar melter first, they can get very hardened burnt slumgum on them. Article 33009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: purple loosestrife Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 00:00:32 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-XsJmPiQEfjrP4sYykz2JeLF3Vcnc4Wq8nUu4UGKUoQcGsqgSVLB5PrgTOmTG4zUpjVla6i3JYJsurEB!eqnfRPKVwIny/cq8qGizGDbnvT4XIZNVq81fBHoSDHCyj50i0ITX1FkWEkyuAi7s38mBv+fT8N5Q!WG5n/NfGhnC6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 05:00:32 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!64.245.249.27.MISMATCH!jfk3-feed1.news.algx.net!ord2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33009 "Otto" wrote > ...does anyone have any experience with this plant?...How does it rate > as a source of nectar? pollen?....what does the honey looks like? > color? taste? crystalization....Thanks...O There are several good URLs on purple loosestrife, one of the better ones is http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/nathis/plantpage/flora/purple/ although none that I am aware of covers the nectar/pollen aspect. We have it here in the county but not close enough to us for me to have any personal experience with it as a bee plant. I have heard that it does provide the makings for an excellent honey but I have never seen any that could be attributed to it. If you are considering introducing it into your area be aware that it has been declared an noxious plant in many states (assuming you are located in the US) and is not only illegal to propagate, but also your responsibility to control if found growing on your property. Be careful what you wish for... Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 33010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning Queen Excluder Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:36:58 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <4nm29.19199$Kl6.1207655@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.com (24.123.61.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1028288249 37848744 24.123.61.178 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33010 I normally wait until winter to clean them up. When I have to fire up my torpedo heater to warm up the shop I will hold the excluders about 12 inches from it letting the wax melt off and drop to sheet of tin on the floor. Works really quick and cleans the excluders up nicely also nice to scrap it off the tin and melt into candles. OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html "Oliver Frank" wrote in message news:aid3k2$fdb$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net... > I use a hot pressure washer. I quit putting them in the solar melter > first, they can get very hardened burnt slumgum on them. > Article 33011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D49473A.162FE814@boeing.com> Subject: Re: Mite thresholds Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1028301685 24.62.89.183 (Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:21:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:21:25 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:21:25 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33011 "Billy Smart" wrote in message news:3D49473A.162FE814@boeing.com... > Group, > > Been putting sticky boards under my screened bottoms to check mites and > was wondering what everyone considers to be the threshold 24 hour mite > drop for treatment. If I get 50 or more in 24 hours I take the hive out > of production and treat with apistan. Is this proper? So far 2 out of 7 > fit this criteria. Otherwise, I wait until October, after the flows are > done for the year. When I asked this question here a couple of years ago, I got advice that going a little over 100 for 24hr required quick treatment. -Steve Article 33012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: purple loosestrife Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1028301923 24.62.89.183 (Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:25:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:25:23 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:25:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33012 "Otto" wrote in message news:f5b58f10.0208011234.2d1bfb5b@posting.google.com... > ...does anyone have any experience with this plant?...How does it rate > as a source of nectar? pollen?....what does the honey looks like? > color? taste? crystalization....Thanks...O We have lots of it around here... anywhere there's wetlands is an ocean of purple this time of year. Fantastic source of nectar - our bees make lots of honey. It's relatively dark and strong tasting, but is very sweet. I like it. YMMV. Haven't had crystalization problems. -Steve (Massachusetts, US) Article 33013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Cleaning Queen Excluder Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:34:21 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.81.204 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1028312690 144.134.81.204 (Sat, 03 Aug 2002 04:24:50 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 04:24:50 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33013 G,day Folks, Thanks for the replies, very helpful. Malcolm "Malcolm Perrement" wrote in message news:tQX19.49750$Hj3.147163@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... > G, day Folks, > Even though I put my excluders in a solar melter I still find that it is > still not completely clean. I have read that you can rub Vaseline in the > excluder, is this correct? > Malcolm > > Article 33014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peem" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis question Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:02:10 +0200 Organization: news.onet.pl Lines: 10 Sender: sdmrules@poczta.onet.pl@212.191.160.225 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.191.160.225 X-Trace: news.onet.pl 1028318524 2169 212.191.160.225 (2 Aug 2002 20:02:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@onet.pl NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2002 20:02:04 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!isdnet!news.internetia.pl!news.nask.pl!news.cyf-kr.edu.pl!agh.edu.pl!news.agh.edu.pl!news.onet.pl!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33014 > The question is how does propolis production affects hive > resources on production of honey? It doesnt affects production of honey. P. Article 33016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: no surplus???? Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 01:20:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.222 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1028337634 216.26.16.222 (Fri, 02 Aug 2002 18:20:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 18:20:34 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33016 Ok I got my new queens today and I went to put them in.. when I was putting the queen in the strongest of the 3 hives I saw a ton of bees on the lower supper.. so I pulled the middle frame and about 50% was capped then I notice a large group of larve... I think I found my queen.... so I moved that super between the 3 deeps... and I did not put a queen in that hive.... I put one in my middle hive and one in the very week hive... I dought the last hive will make it there is almost no honey storage and there is hardly any bees in the hive... this hive is weird... I had a extra deep that I had sitting aside with 2 supers of drawn comb and capped honey on top of it.. Well I Thought they were robbing the hoeny so Moved the supers but alot of the bees stayed in the deep.. they are still there after aout 2 weeks with no honey... I just put another empty super of it that had a few cells of capped honey for them... that super is almost empty but they don't have anything more... I think Ill start feedint them some sugar water and see if they accept the new queen... if they do then I Ill keep giving them sugar water and see if the make it.. I have very little hope for them but who knows....If they don't acept the queen Ill do that news paper thing and see if I can get the 2 weeker hives togeather. provided my other hive will accept the queen I gave her....if not then Im going to be down to 1 hive next spring... I am going to defently plan to buid more sups and deeps this wintrer.... Brian Salem Oregon http://www.wuffman.com Article 33017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scott Downey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Caught a large spider Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:23:06 -0400 Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: newppp25.ts4-2.newportnews.visi.net (209.96.232.217) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1028348583 36909864 209.96.232.217 (16 [150959]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!newppp25.ts4-2.newportnews.visi.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33017 Spider body is 1.5 inches long body is smoothly contoured tan in color has an elongated long thick abdomen Top of the abdomen is striped with a thick central black stripe on each side is a thin yellow stipe It runs very fast and rears up, its front legs are very much longer than the rest Any ideas what it is and is it dangerous? I found this in Virginia Article 33018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sourwood Honey Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3D4616B9.CC28912D@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad25ee.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1028397124 10741 128.173.37.238 (3 Aug 2002 17:52:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:52:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33018 In article <3D4616B9.CC28912D@atlas.localdomain>, louise@atlas.localdomain says... > >Is anyone in the sourwood area getting any good sourwood honey? I >checked my two hives today; one is full and capped and the other is full >but not yet capped. Since I didn't get any spring honey, this is great >news! > >Louise It is indeed good news. How do you verify that the honey is sourwood? I just returned a week ago from a week in a rented cottage near Murphy in SW NC. Blooming sourwood was everywhere, but so was blooming staghorn sumac. It appeared to me the bees were mainly working the sumac. In my yard in SW VA I have a lone sourwood (planted) tree. My bees never touch it. I produce a pretty good crop of light colored honey at this time, but it does not taste like sourwood and I do not know what it is, I note that shops all over the NC-TN-VA mountains sell "sourwood honey" but much of it is very dark, almost like poplar honey. How much that is sold as sourwood is actually that? > >-- >Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any >n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn > | a whole people. --William Penn Article 33019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning Queen Excluder Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad25ee.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1028397432 10741 128.173.37.238 (3 Aug 2002 17:57:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:57:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33019 In article , perree@bigpond.com says... > >G, day Folks, >Even though I put my excluders in a solar melter I still find that it is >still not completely clean. I have read that you can rub Vaseline in the >excluder, is this correct? >Malcolm > Why do any of that?. My understanding is that the bees are more likely to work through an excluder that has been conditioned. If it is more than 50% closed by wax or badly gunked you can clear it with a few passes of the hive tool. Article 33020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Cleaning Queen Excluder Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 20:50:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.65 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1028407831 216.26.16.65 (Sat, 03 Aug 2002 13:50:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 13:50:31 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33020 Yah I was told that after the honey store is over to just put the queen excluder between the lid and the top hive box so you don't get them mixed up with other excluders from other hives. I guess the bees don't like that very much. I also was reading in Julys eddition of American Bee jornel there is a great articale about cleaning hive frames and hive boxes by boiling them with lye... I think they use Lye to kill mites and AFB. They also say it breakes up the polis and all the loose paint, they rinse them well and paint as needed.... they also toss in the Queen excluders too... I am asuming they meen the metal ones.. I have the plastic and don't think lye would be very good for them. Brian Salem Oregon http://www.wuffman.com "Jerome R. Long" wrote in message news:aih5hm$afl$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > In article , perree@bigpond.com > says... > > > >G, day Folks, > >Even though I put my excluders in a solar melter I still find that it is > >still not completely clean. I have read that you can rub Vaseline in the > >excluder, is this correct? > >Malcolm > > > Why do any of that?. My understanding is that the bees are more likely to > work through an excluder that has been conditioned. If it is more than 50% > closed by wax or badly gunked you can clear it with a few passes of the hive > tool. > > > > > Article 33021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drought Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:40:30 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: <#IomGuCOCHA.1452@cpimsnntpa03> <310720021027108638%honey@toasty.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33021 Interesting, Alans Diary Page http://www.internode.net/honeybee/Diary/ has him projecting he will get 48 lbs/hive this year; sounds like it will change since they are early on in extracting. Lots of fun to follow if you have the time though...... I'm glad I don't have to work like that for a living. How farmers (I spent time on a small dairy farm, so I've seen the life up close) do it is about as mysterious as how the bees do it. nuf pondered. "No Honey on My Toast" wrote in message news:310720021027108638%honey@toasty.com... > Many of the Alberta bee keepers are suffering from the extended drought > as well. > > http://edmonton.cbc.ca/template/servlet/View?filename=dk_07312002 > > Read the details if you are interested. Article 33022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Darren Liddell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wild bees nest and wasps..help Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:34:14 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.105.120.213 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net 1028464392 213.105.120.213 (Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:33:12 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:33:12 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33022 Hello, I was wondering if any one could offer some advice... We've recently moved into a new house, in the garden there's a bird box, which is actually occupied by bees nest. We don't mind the bees but I've observed wasps sometimes flying into the nest. Do bees and wasps live together? or do you think the wasps are trying to take over the nest? Any advice would be gratefully received Darren. Article 33023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Robert Vernon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mead from bad tasting honey Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:43:38 -0500 Organization: laserlink.net Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <3D434CDA.556AE006@hcis.net> <3D437951.1E0CA984@hcis.net> <3D43952C.FE30347@hcis.net> X-Trace: news.laserlink.net 1028471789 8805 65.142.72.102 (4 Aug 2002 14:36:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@laserlink.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msc1.onvoy!ply1.onvoy!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!news.laserlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33023 By all means yes. The honey you don't like eating can be very nice to drink. If you have old dark honey that is too strong tasting for table use the extra flavor improves the mead. > But seriously folks, would it be advantageous to use less than ideal tasting > honey for mead or cyser making instead of for culinary usage? Being of > sober and upstanding morals I have no experience with such brewing, but does > anyone know if the flavor of the honey used is carried over to the end > product? > > Gotta admit, Goldenrod Mead, or Goldenrod Cyser both sort of have a ring to > them... > > Skip > > Skip & Christy Hensler > THE ROCK GARDEN > Newport, WA > http://www.povn.com/rock/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 33024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Robert Vernon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Star Thistle Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:59:21 -0500 Organization: laserlink.net Lines: 10 Message-ID: X-Trace: news.laserlink.net 1028472666 10019 65.142.72.102 (4 Aug 2002 14:51:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@laserlink.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!news.laserlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33024 I noticed someone say earlier that Star Thistle makes really good bee forage. Then I do a search and find all links for "Yellow Star Thistle Eradication". Is Star Thistle really a good bee forage and if so, can it really be that bad? Thanks Robert in central TX, USA Article 33025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Robert Vernon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild bees nest and wasps..help Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:30:51 -0500 Organization: laserlink.net Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: X-Trace: news.laserlink.net 1028474556 12579 65.142.72.102 (4 Aug 2002 15:22:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@laserlink.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!news.laserlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33025 Wasps eat insects. I suspect they are feeding on your bees or at least trying to. "Darren Liddell" wrote in message news:ca939.1396$aa5.65469@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net... > Hello, > > I was wondering if any one could offer some advice... > > We've recently moved into a new house, in the garden there's a bird box, > which is actually occupied by bees nest. We don't mind the bees but I've > observed wasps sometimes flying into the nest. > > Do bees and wasps live together? or do you think the wasps are trying to > take over the nest? > > Any advice would be gratefully received > > Darren. > > Article 33026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: James Lindstrom Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oxalic Acid Treatment Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 12:46:44 -0400 Organization: Navix Internet Subscribers Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3D4D5A6E.B5D2199@alltel.net> Reply-To: jcrocket@alltel.net NNTP-Posting-Host: h166-102-242-096.ip.alltel.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: iac5.navix.net 1028478961 26441 166.102.242.96 (4 Aug 2002 16:36:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@navix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 2002 16:36:01 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!news.navix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33026 I'm getting ready to try the oxalic acid approach to varroa control. I've read some of the recent research--that done in Denmark using drip and spray methods, also checked the bee-l archives on the subject. What I'm a little concerned about is the strength of the oxalic acid itself. In the Danish experiments they operated on 1 liter to 30 grams. This is easy enough to manage, but are all oxalic acid crystals created equal? I suspect not, but I am not a chemist (just an English teacher). Does anyone have any insight into this? Has anyone out there used the commercially available forms of oxalic acid, usually marketed at "wood bleach"? I discovered very quickly that not all "wood bleach" is oxalic acid. Any insights would be appreciated. Jim Lindstrom Oak Forest, PA Article 33027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Improved performance in Bidata Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:25:33 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3d4d6526$0$89549$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.215.97.115 X-Trace: 1028482342 dread04.news.tele.dk 89549 195.215.97.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33027 Entering /and leaving the quickentry form is now heavily improved. http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatanew.zip the above only includes the executable file and is only 1.5MB to take down -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 27-05-2001 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 33028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: free hivenote software from apimo Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:31:47 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3d4d6526$1$89549$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.215.97.115 X-Trace: 1028482342 dread04.news.tele.dk 89549 195.215.97.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.162.153.118!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33028 I have put op a free software that will bee able to print out a hivenote card. Items are predefined but you can change everything except from the layout, which is a list layout. http://apimo.dk/programs/beekeeping_hivenote.zip size only 500kb -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 27-05-2001 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 33029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 61 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:09:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1028484563 209.204.149.194 (Sun, 04 Aug 2002 11:09:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 11:09:23 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33029 In article , "Robert Vernon" wrote: > I noticed someone say earlier that Star Thistle makes really good bee > forage. Then I do a search and find all links for "Yellow Star Thistle > Eradication". Is Star Thistle really a good bee forage and if so, can it > really be that bad? > > > Thanks > Robert in central TX, USA > > It's *GREAT* bee forage. It's a *HORRIBLY* invasive imported plant - It'll take over a field to the exclusion of everything else in what seems like days (though to be fair, a total "turnover" to star thistle takes a couple years - it's not *QUITE* as bad as Kudzu in that respect) And unlike Kudzu, there's nothing useful to be done with it other than letting bees play in it. It's chemically toxic to horses, as well as being an actual physical (inch-plus long spines that are nearly as strong as an actual steel needle make for serious mouth/gut problems as they try to eat it - fortunately, most horses avoid it if there's anything else available) threat to them. Cows will eat around it (opening up the turf for next year's generation to spread even wider from the original plant) Goats and sheep won't touch it. (At least, the ones we've got won't) Spraying won't kill it at anything resembling a reasonable level. Burning, unless it's a super-hot fire (and in places that are overrun with the stuff, the fire just won't *GET* super-hot) only seems to HELP the stuff. It just wilts back for a few days, then continues on its merry way, only the patch is going to grow by a HUGE amount next season, as the seeds from the burned crop will be the first thing that takes off, crowding out everything else. When you get right down to it, it's basically a "good idea gone bad" - Much like Kudzu, which was imported into Georgia and Florida for erosion control back in the 30s, there was a good reason behind bringing it in - Save the California beekeepers way back when. The idea was to give their bees something to forage on during the hottest part of the summer. And it worked. But also like Kudzu, nobody realized (or if they did, they ignored the problem) how invasive the stuff is, so, once again, like Kudzu, it's become a fairly serious problem. I've read a few things that say that it has some natural "enemies" back in the mediterranean area it originally came from, and work is being done in regards to the wisdom of importing some of those critters/germs/etc. in an effort to knock it back, but so far, I haven't seen/heard anything about actually DOING it. Which is probably wise... We've already got one imported species running amok - do we REALLY want to add another one to the mix, especially in an area so dependent on farming? The cure might well end up being worse than the disease... They just don't know yet. -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 33030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild bees nest and wasps..help Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:09:39 +0100 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1132.caterpie.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1028530071 23039 217.135.61.108 (5 Aug 2002 06:47:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 2002 06:47:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33030 If they are in a small bird box then I suspect that the bees are bumble bees (i.e. round fluffy ones). If so, then the nest will die out by the early autumn. The wasps are probably trying to rob the bumble bee nest. If the bees are honeybees, then it is likely that this is a very small swarm (which beekeepers - I am assuming that you are not one - call a cast) and is unlikely to survive the winter. If you are worried, why not call your local beekeeping association; find them on: http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/Links.htm -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Darren Liddell" wrote in message news:ca939.1396$aa5.65469@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net... > Hello, > > I was wondering if any one could offer some advice... > > We've recently moved into a new house, in the garden there's a bird box, > which is actually occupied by bees nest. We don't mind the bees but I've > observed wasps sometimes flying into the nest. > > Do bees and wasps live together? or do you think the wasps are trying to > take over the nest? > > Any advice would be gratefully received > > Darren. > > Article 33031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <#IomGuCOCHA.1452@cpimsnntpa03> Subject: Re: Drought Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <6Av39.15329$nc.1146990@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 14:02:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.59.23.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1028556162 65.59.23.83 (Mon, 05 Aug 2002 07:02:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 07:02:42 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33031 I keep mine just outside of Golden. Surprisingly, I am having the best year ever. I onl usually keep one colony. From one colony, I have take almost 100 lbs this year and they are still putting it away! Like I said, I am surprised. Maybe since they are near a town, they benefit from irrigation. I have one other colony started from a package this spring. It's building up nicely. Hopefully I won't get any bear visits. George Lakewood, CO "CVSoderquist" wrote in message news:#IomGuCOCHA.1452@cpimsnntpa03... > Things are kinda dry here in Colorado. I keep 12 hives on the plains just > east of Denver on a ranch > with 140 acres of alfalfa and sweet clover, that is when it rains. This > year the sweet clover bloomed > when it was 3" high and the alfalfa just didn't bother > to come up. I had one hive starve out in May and the others seem to be just > holding on. Looks as though there will be no surplus this year. Maybe the > price of honey will go up! > > > Article 33032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <47be5dfd.0207201102.123ea343@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Beekeeping in Denver CO area? Lines: 33 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 14:02:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.59.23.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1028556167 65.59.23.83 (Mon, 05 Aug 2002 07:02:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 07:02:47 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33032 FD: I live in Lakewood and keep my bees on someone's property outside of Golden. Despite the drought, I am having the best year ever. Took 100 lbs from one colony (I only have 2), and they are still putting it away. They are Buckfast bees from R Weaver in TX. First time I have tried them and I like the reaults. Queen is in second year and they did not attempt to swarm and as I mentioned, I have never gotten so much surplus from on colony in this location. I saw an article recently about bees starving in CO this year. I guess I have a "sweet" location. I don't much special for wintering other than reducing entrances, making sure they have plenty of food, medicating, mite treatment, etc. George "FD" wrote in message news:47be5dfd.0207201102.123ea343@posting.google.com... > Hello: > I live in the SW Denver area and am looking for fellow local > beekeepers to obtain pointers specific to the area, with its difficult > conditions. > Specifically, hive choices, bee races/hybrid, cold winter issues, very > hot summer issues, short season/low flower count issues... > Thanks > FD > "Logic has made me hated among men" - Pierre Abelard du Palet > Article 33033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Date: 5 Aug 2002 07:07:38 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 38 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.173 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028556458 24205 127.0.0.1 (5 Aug 2002 14:07:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 2002 14:07:38 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33033 Don Bruder wrote in message news: > It's *GREAT* bee forage. It can be.Some years there is no honey in it. > > > . Cows will eat around it I know of instances where it has been baled and fed back to cows for winter feed. > When you get right down to it, it's basically a "good idea gone bad" - > Much like Kudzu, which was imported into Georgia and Florida for erosion > control back in the 30s, there was a good reason behind bringing it in - > Save the California beekeepers way back when. The idea was to give their > bees something to forage on during the hottest part of the summer. And > it worked. But also like Kudzu, nobody realized (or if they did, they > ignored the problem) how invasive the stuff is, so, once again, like > Kudzu, it's become a fairly serious problem. To the best of my knowledge,it was brought in accidentally in the late 1800s with imported alfalfa seed.NOT by beekeepers. > > I've read a few things that say that it has some natural "enemies" back > in the mediterranean area it originally came from, and work is being > done in regards to the wisdom of importing some of those > critters/germs/etc. in an effort to knock it back, but so far, I haven't > seen/heard anything about actually DOING it. Which is probably wise... > We've already got one imported species running amok - do we REALLY want > to add another one to the mix, especially in an area so dependent on > farming? The cure might well end up being worse than the disease... They > just don't know yet. These 'non-native,imported,invasive' bugs were brought in and released all over Ca.several years ago.Cant see that they have done much. ---Mike Article 33034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 67 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 16:59:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.244 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1028566771 209.204.149.244 (Mon, 05 Aug 2002 09:59:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 09:59:31 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33034 In article <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com>, loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) wrote: > Don Bruder wrote in message news: > > It's *GREAT* bee forage. > > It can be.Some years there is no honey in it. > > . Cows will eat around it > > I know of instances where it has been baled and fed back to cows for > winter feed. I'd hate to taste the beef/milk from those cows. Seems to me it would probably be EXTREMELY bitter. Aside from that, we've got several fields around the area where cows are pastured, and in all of them, the "everything else grazable" is mowed right down to the ground in typical cow fashion, while the stands of star thistle are untouched. Dunno if it's a question of "undesirable unless there's nothing else", or what, but based on that, it's pretty clear to me cows don't want much of anything to do with the stuff. > > ignored the problem) how invasive the stuff is, so, once again, like > > Kudzu, it's become a fairly serious problem. > > To the best of my knowledge,it was brought in accidentally in the > late 1800s with imported alfalfa seed.NOT by beekeepers. Hmmm... That's an interesting tidbit. We've got a fellow who holds a position I can't quite decribe up here - He's not state, he's not county, he's not city, but somehow, he works with all three as some sort of go-between on livestock issues (including bees), and he tells me that it was first seen here in California in about 1928 as part of an effort to combat beekeepers being starved out by lack of a native "weed" that produced anything bee-useful during the drought months. Correct? Incorrect? I've got no way of knowing for certain, but it sounds at least reasonable. > > We've already got one imported species running amok - do we REALLY want > > to add another one to the mix, especially in an area so dependent on > > farming? The cure might well end up being worse than the disease... They > > just don't know yet. > > These 'non-native,imported,invasive' bugs were brought in and > released all over Ca.several years ago.Cant see that they have done > much. The specific one I'm thinking of is kinda like a weevil. Was just reading about work being done with it at UC-Davis, and the information that was there wasn't exactly worth starting a celebration over. The little critter doesn't seem to be either mobile enough or reproductively inclined enough to accomplish much in terms of control. My understanding of the mechanism is the weevil lays one or two eggs on/in a flower-head, the larva then proceeds to eat the developing seed-head, and in theory, cuts that plant off at that generation. In reality, they don't eat enough seed-heads to make them useful. "Denser populations of the bug *MIGHT* be more effective" (emphasis mine) was pretty much the last word on that one, but nobody was willing to say "yeah, time to start airdropping them by the planeload across the state". -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 33035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic Acid Treatment Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:24:12 +0100 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3D4D5A6E.B5D2199@alltel.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-157.butterfree.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1028568252 4388 217.135.52.157 (5 Aug 2002 17:24:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 2002 17:24:12 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33035 You need specify oxalic acid dihydrate. You may find this helpful for the drip method: http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/PENotes/VarroaTreatment.htm Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "James Lindstrom" wrote in message news:3D4D5A6E.B5D2199@alltel.net... > I'm getting ready to try the oxalic acid approach to varroa control. > I've read some of the recent research--that done in Denmark using drip > and spray methods, also checked the bee-l archives on the subject. What > I'm a little concerned about is the strength of the oxalic acid itself. > In the Danish experiments they operated on 1 liter to 30 grams. This is > easy enough to manage, but are all oxalic acid crystals created equal? I > suspect not, but I am not a chemist (just an English teacher). Does > anyone have any insight into this? Has anyone out there used the > commercially available forms of oxalic acid, usually marketed at "wood > bleach"? I discovered very quickly that not all "wood bleach" is oxalic > acid. Any insights would be appreciated. > > Jim Lindstrom > Oak Forest, PA > Article 33036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Cara and Tom Patterson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic Acid Treatment Message-ID: <558uku4q3ofkp8okjqhtvoj1i9jjqriaum@4ax.com> References: <3D4D5A6E.B5D2199@alltel.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.254.48.71 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1028596241 12.254.48.71 (Tue, 06 Aug 2002 01:10:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 01:10:41 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 01:10:45 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33036 Hi Jim, I am a very small (2 hive) hobby beekeeper and this spring I bought a vaporizer for oxalic acid from http://www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln/. It is very reasonably priced (Canadian$), is simple to use, and very effective. Treated the 2 hives in late spring and still no sign of any Varroa as of late July. I highly recommend this product and the manufacturer is a long time beekeeper himself. Good Luck Tom Article 33037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Purchasing Apilife Var Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:35:52 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1028612165 14137 203.96.192.152 (6 Aug 2002 05:36:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 2002 05:36:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33037 Hello All I would like to purchase Apilife Var and / or Apiguard. Can anyone recommend are the best suppliers to purchase these products from on the net. There was a Beekeeper and researcher here to whom I sent some seeds to a few years back. if you are still reading this ng I have deleted your email address, I'd like to know how they're going Thanks Carmen Article 33038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D4D5A6E.B5D2199@alltel.net> <558uku4q3ofkp8okjqhtvoj1i9jjqriaum@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Oxalic Acid Treatment Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <3iJ39.461$km1.47624@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 05:39:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1028612351 216.26.16.217 (Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:39:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:39:11 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33038 I heard abotu a new treat ment from a group of Canadian Sientists that is supose to be better tahn anythin on the market now..... Suposily it is so good that its aproved for organtic honey producers... I can't recall the name I think it started with a u..... not sure I was going to try it but i don't have any spare cash right now I sent it all to a fellow bee keeper.... I need to get something soon.. Brian Martin Salem Oregon http://www.wuffman.com "Cara and Tom Patterson" wrote in message news:558uku4q3ofkp8okjqhtvoj1i9jjqriaum@4ax.com... > Hi Jim, > > I am a very small (2 hive) hobby beekeeper and this spring I bought a > vaporizer for oxalic acid from http://www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln/. > It is very reasonably priced (Canadian$), is simple to use, and very > effective. Treated the 2 hives in late spring and still no sign of > any Varroa as of late July. I highly recommend this product and the > manufacturer is a long time beekeeper himself. > > Good Luck > > Tom > > Article 33039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Normand Choinière" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wiring jigs Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:59:17 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.208.211.12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1028642358 216.208.211.12 (Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:59:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:59:18 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33039 Anybody know where I can find a wiring jig on the Web? Thanks! Normand Choinière Article 33040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: fcooke@firenet.ws (Freddie Cooke UK) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: searching postings Date: 6 Aug 2002 16:29:48 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 1 Message-ID: <3f552cec.0208061529.351365d3@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.6.108.238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028676589 19522 127.0.0.1 (6 Aug 2002 23:29:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 2002 23:29:49 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33040 Is there any means by which one may search past postings for specific criteria? Article 33041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3f552cec.0208061529.351365d3@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: searching postings Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:45:46 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-JTxug3cHnPu6m13AC2x+W/rYiuBrd+IEotV1CY5bQqq8V1TZrmuvPeCQeEHqNf8nJnY/I0gt5bCOWIc!uzmBgmIyBq0oFLKxsoCYEYzOkSngxNJrAOCm4xUfNisfJEJjqmAY3s+b3zfdInA1TcGtOnmlMxvP!QRn+wPUZ1SDu X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:45:46 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.11!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33041 "Freddie Cooke UK" wrote > Is there any means by which one may search past postings for specific criteria? Go to http://groups.google.com/ and type in the search window sci.agriculture.beekeeping+whatever the criteria is what are looking for, i. e. sci.agriculture.beekeeping+tracheal mites. Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 33042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Date: 6 Aug 2002 18:58:23 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 35 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208061758.4ed5b8ff@posting.google.com> References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028685503 28091 127.0.0.1 (7 Aug 2002 01:58:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2002 01:58:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33042 > > I'd hate to taste the beef/milk from those cows. Seems to me it would > probably be EXTREMELY bitter. Aside from that, we've got several fields > around the area where cows are pastured, and in all of them, the > "everything else grazable" is mowed right down to the ground in typical > cow fashion, while the stands of star thistle are untouched. Dunno if > it's a question of "undesirable unless there's nothing else", or what, > but based on that, it's pretty clear to me cows don't want much of > anything to do with the stuff. I just came from looking at a beeyard.When we first put bees in it several years ago it was solid thistle.The bees had to be set right in the thistle,there was no place free of it.The rancher ran cows in on it each spring until now there is only grass ,with 2 or 3 thistle plants.Thats it.A different rancher told me he cut hay that had a lot of thistle in it.When he fed it back that winter the cows nosed the grass out of the way to eat the thistle.I think they will eat the tender young plants if thats all they can find. tells me that > it was first seen here in California in about 1928 as part of an effort > to combat beekeepers being starved out by lack of a native "weed" that > produced anything bee-useful during the drought months. Correct? > Incorrect? I've got no way of knowing for certain, but it sounds at > least reasonable. Not to me.Im skeptical anyone would bring in thistle or anything else to help beekeepers.Anyway I think the man is incorrect.Thistle was definitely in the Sacramento valley before that.If I find time,I will try to find some references.Have to move bees tonight (to thistle ha!) ---Mike > > Article 33043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jason Apol" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Listserv Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:50:33 -0400 Organization: Triton Technologies, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-164.17.triton.net X-Trace: newsa.triton.net 1028689461 11578 216.65.164.17 (7 Aug 2002 03:04:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@triton.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:04:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.triton.net!192.168.5.5.MISMATCH!triton.net!newsfeeder.triton.net!newsa.triton.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33043 Hi folks. I am inquiring if there are any listserv's out there relating to bee's. The best I could find on the web was reference to one hosted by Albany College in the late 90's. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Jason Apol Article 33044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208061758.4ed5b8ff@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Star Thistle Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 22:07:57 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-NSsrkv0Q0RMfhZUosiTaLAMTpRslte1WDxHcyCCMsju3homfYiT1duI3HvYoiX8si2OGoH+3u7tzPpW!FEqoHmvhtHAhjKOEHb5NIpesuP/4utk8bvwAC4MusW/iNwP1tfCDObp/TCnbbUJOd/sjOijIu8om!6rVCzt345hk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 03:07:57 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!wn4feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.11!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33044 "Mike" wrote > I just came from looking at a beeyard.When we first put bees in it > several years ago it was solid thistle.The bees had to be set right in > the thistle,there was no place free of it.The rancher ran cows in on > it each spring until now there is only grass ,with 2 or 3 thistle > plants.Thats it.A different rancher told me he cut hay that had a lot > of thistle in it.When he fed it back that winter the cows nosed the > grass out of the way to eat the thistle.I think they will eat the > tender young plants if thats all they can find. > Not to me.Im skeptical anyone would bring in thistle or anything > else to help beekeepers.Anyway I think the man is incorrect.Thistle > was definitely in the Sacramento valley before that.If I find time,I > will try to find some references. Are you *sure* you are talking about *star* thistle? There are several different sub-species of thistles, but this one is pure evil. Check http://www.verde.org/starthistle.html Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 33045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Listserv Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 04:08:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.19.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1028693282 216.26.19.164 (Tue, 06 Aug 2002 21:08:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 21:08:02 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33045 I know there is one on groups.yahoo.com but maybe one to post a month if your lucky... Ive been trying to find the Bee-L one but all the links I see are dead... so I guess that list also is dead... Brian "Jason Apol" wrote in message news:aiq2nk$b9q$1@newsa.triton.net... > Hi folks. I am inquiring if there are any listserv's out there relating to > bee's. The best I could find on the web was reference to one hosted by > Albany College in the late 90's. > > Any help appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Jason Apol > > > Article 33046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D50A428.4164E888@not.a.real.address.mil> From: Tsu Doh Nimh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD477 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Listserv References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@randori.com - Please include ALL headers only, thanks. Organization: Randori News - http://www.randori.com - Try our FREE Usenet Scanner! Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 04:36:32 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!torn!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeeder.randori.com!news2.randori.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33046 Nope, Bee-L is still alive! I get the digest daily. http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/archives/bee-l.html Tsu "Wuffman.Com" wrote: > > I know there is one on groups.yahoo.com but maybe one to post a month if > your lucky... Ive been trying to find the Bee-L one but all the links I see > are dead... so I guess that list also is dead... > > Brian > > "Jason Apol" wrote in message > news:aiq2nk$b9q$1@newsa.triton.net... > > Hi folks. I am inquiring if there are any listserv's out there relating to > > bee's. The best I could find on the web was reference to one hosted by > > Albany College in the late 90's. > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jason Apol Article 33047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Listserv Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:52:01 -0500 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVavGs2GR72eUo+78UewKvjWyxNIABiCmq+xeCYyV6ScDQ0yo7u4Z37p X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2002 04:51:16 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33047 http://www.bee-l.com/index.html > From: "Jason Apol" > Organization: Triton Technologies, Inc. > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:50:33 -0400 > Subject: Listserv > > Hi folks. I am inquiring if there are any listserv's out there relating to > bee's. The best I could find on the web was reference to one hosted by > Albany College in the late 90's. > > Any help appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Jason Apol > > Article 33048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208061758.4ed5b8ff@posting.google.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 32 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 07:46:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.247 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1028706415 209.204.149.247 (Wed, 07 Aug 2002 00:46:55 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 00:46:55 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33048 In article , "The Rock Garden" wrote: > "Mike" wrote > > > I just came from looking at a beeyard.When we first put bees in it > > several years ago it was solid thistle.The bees had to be set right in > > the thistle,there was no place free of it.The rancher ran cows in on > > it each spring until now there is only grass ,with 2 or 3 thistle > > plants.Thats it.A different rancher told me he cut hay that had a lot > > of thistle in it.When he fed it back that winter the cows nosed the > > grass out of the way to eat the thistle.I think they will eat the > > tender young plants if thats all they can find. > > > Not to me.Im skeptical anyone would bring in thistle or anything > > else to help beekeepers.Anyway I think the man is incorrect.Thistle > > was definitely in the Sacramento valley before that.If I find time,I > > will try to find some references. > > > Are you *sure* you are talking about *star* thistle? There are several > different sub-species of thistles, but this one is pure evil. Check > http://www.verde.org/starthistle.html Yep, that would most definitely be the stuff I'm talking about. Evil stuff, that. -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 33049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Listserv Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:14:10 -0400 Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <3D50A428.4164E888@not.a.real.address.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1028726056 39966107 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33049 And there are numerous other bee related groups on groups.yahoo.com -- try searching different bee related terms to find them all (hint, beegees is not one of them ). Some are not very active, some are very much so. "Tsu Doh Nimh" wrote in message news:3D50A428.4164E888@not.a.real.address.mil... > Nope, Bee-L is still alive! I get the digest daily. > > http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/archives/bee-l.html > > Tsu > > > > "Wuffman.Com" wrote: > > > > I know there is one on groups.yahoo.com but maybe one to post a month if > > your lucky... Ive been trying to find the Bee-L one but all the links I see > > are dead... so I guess that list also is dead... > > > > Brian > > > > "Jason Apol" wrote in message > > news:aiq2nk$b9q$1@newsa.triton.net... > > > Hi folks. I am inquiring if there are any listserv's out there relating to > > > bee's. The best I could find on the web was reference to one hosted by > > > Albany College in the late 90's. > > > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jason Apol Article 33050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: lithar@hcis.net (AL) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Still waiting.... Date: 7 Aug 2002 06:37:26 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: <66a5a172.0208070537.2ea66516@posting.google.com> References: <3D434CDA.556AE006@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.227.104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028727446 4456 127.0.0.1 (7 Aug 2002 13:37:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2002 13:37:26 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33050 "Me" wrote in message > I know the big boys in Canada try to catch their honey just before it's > capped. It's a lot less work if you don't have to uncap it. Yesterday I finally removed the remaining frames for extraction - it *is* a lot easier when it is not capped. Judging from the rpms required to sling it out and the viscosity as it flowed from the extractor I feel safe in saying it was fully cured. AL Article 33051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Date: 7 Aug 2002 07:13:16 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208070613.2f044706@posting.google.com> References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208061758.4ed5b8ff@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028729597 6671 127.0.0.1 (7 Aug 2002 14:13:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2002 14:13:17 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33051 Honey Plants Of North America by John H. Lovell 1926 edition published by A.I.Root Co. Page 44 "Introduced into California about 25 years ago.it has spread over Sonoma ,Napa,Solano,Sutter,and a large part of Butte counties." A turn of the century beekeeper 'Migratory Graham' documents the spread of YST in Ca.in an issue of ABJ a few years ago (dont remember which issue). ---Mike Article 33052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jason Apol" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Listserv Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:54:22 -0400 Organization: Triton Technologies, Inc. Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <3D50A428.4164E888@not.a.real.address.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-170.253.triton.net X-Trace: newsa.triton.net 1028732885 21240 216.65.170.253 (7 Aug 2002 15:08:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@triton.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:08:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!triton.net!newsfeeder.triton.net!newsa.triton.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33052 Thanks! I could only find the list in Yahoo and the reading looked sparse. I appreciate the help from all of you. Regards! Jason Apol "Tsu Doh Nimh" wrote in message news:3D50A428.4164E888@not.a.real.address.mil... > Nope, Bee-L is still alive! I get the digest daily. > > http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/archives/bee-l.html > > Tsu > > > > "Wuffman.Com" wrote: > > > > I know there is one on groups.yahoo.com but maybe one to post a month if > > your lucky... Ive been trying to find the Bee-L one but all the links I see > > are dead... so I guess that list also is dead... > > > > Brian > > > > "Jason Apol" wrote in message > > news:aiq2nk$b9q$1@newsa.triton.net... > > > Hi folks. I am inquiring if there are any listserv's out there relating to > > > bee's. The best I could find on the web was reference to one hosted by > > > Albany College in the late 90's. > > > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jason Apol Article 33053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208061758.4ed5b8ff@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208070613.2f044706@posting.google.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 19 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 17:38:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1028741903 209.204.149.194 (Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:38:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:38:23 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.infoave.net!easynews!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33053 In article <993fd181.0208070613.2f044706@posting.google.com>, loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) wrote: > Honey Plants Of North America by John H. Lovell 1926 edition published > by A.I.Root Co. Page 44 "Introduced into California about 25 years > ago.it has spread over Sonoma ,Napa,Solano,Sutter,and a large part of > Butte counties." > A turn of the century beekeeper 'Migratory Graham' documents the > spread of YST in Ca.in an issue of ABJ a few years ago (dont remember > which issue). > ---Mike A nickel sez you can't cuess who's in Butte county. :) -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 33054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: searching postings Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:15:05 +0100 Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <3f552cec.0208061529.351365d3@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-294.cruncher.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1028754960 5335 62.25.233.38 (7 Aug 2002 21:16:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2002 21:16:00 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33054 You may find this helpful: http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/Links.htm#Discussion -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "The Rock Garden" wrote in message news:KcZ39.67769$yc3.2403890@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > "Freddie Cooke UK" wrote > > > Is there any means by which one may search past postings for specific > criteria? > > > Go to http://groups.google.com/ and type in the search window > sci.agriculture.beekeeping+whatever the criteria is what are looking for, i. > e. sci.agriculture.beekeeping+tracheal mites. > > Skip > > > Skip & Christy Hensler > THE ROCK GARDEN > Newport, WA > http://www.povn.com/rock/ > > > Article 33055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I want to ask You! Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 02:13:05 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3d51b789$0$78194$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.111 X-Trace: 1028765577 dread06.news.tele.dk 78194 195.249.242.111 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.162.153.118!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33055 To those who downloaded the little beekeeping tool I announced. in the directory where you unzipped the tool and used it and if you have made changes and saved it, you will find a hivenote.txt. What I will ask you is to attach this file to me, so that I can look at it and get my brain working again. If you can put a comment on you changes, then it certainly will help me in my effort to make my software more adopted to the need of yours. In return I will give you an explanation to the configuration I have made. http://apimo.dk/programs/beekeeping_hivenote.zip only half a mb to download. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 04-05-2002 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 33056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Date: 7 Aug 2002 22:56:44 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208072156.33e1d7b8@posting.google.com> References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208061758.4ed5b8ff@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208070613.2f044706@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.148 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028786204 30708 127.0.0.1 (8 Aug 2002 05:56:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Aug 2002 05:56:44 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33056 Don Bruder wrote in message news: > A nickel sez you can't cuess who's in Butte county. :) Well, I know I will be in February. ---Mike Article 33057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208061758.4ed5b8ff@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208070613.2f044706@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208072156.33e1d7b8@posting.google.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <_Lo49.4945$Ik.81136@typhoon.sonic.net> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 07:06:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.214 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1028790394 209.204.149.214 (Thu, 08 Aug 2002 00:06:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 00:06:34 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33057 In article <993fd181.0208072156.33e1d7b8@posting.google.com>, loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) wrote: > Don Bruder wrote in message news: > > A nickel sez you can't cuess who's in Butte county. :) > > Well, I know I will be in February. > ---Mike Chasin' some almond blossoms, is we? :) -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 33058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Date: 8 Aug 2002 07:47:52 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208080647.22e79ffd@posting.google.com> References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208061758.4ed5b8ff@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028818072 29577 127.0.0.1 (8 Aug 2002 14:47:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Aug 2002 14:47:52 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33058 "> > > Are you *sure* you are talking about *star* thistle? There are several > different sub-species of thistles, but this one is pure evil. Check > http://www.verde.org/starthistle.html > > Skip > Interesting.The newspaper article is kind of along the lines of the Killer Bee style of reporting using buzzwords like'evil', 'plague' , 'public plant enemy number one',etc.There are some facts in it such as using cows to graze it down when its young and tender.If you believe what it says,you would think you would bleed to death just walking through a field of it.I have been around this stuff all my life,it will scrach some but not that bad.There are ways to get rid of it but it isnt justified in a lot of areas it grows in because the land isnt being used.Around here it tends to compete with resin weed (a noxious native plant) that puts out poor flavored honey.I would like to see thistle replace all the resin weed!Or even better sweet clover to replace them both.But nature will take its course and we will just have to adapt(bee wise). ---Mike Article 33059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Date: 8 Aug 2002 09:40:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208080840.5e382ba1@posting.google.com> References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208061758.4ed5b8ff@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208070613.2f044706@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208072156.33e1d7b8@posting.google.com> <_Lo49.4945$Ik.81136@typhoon.sonic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028824804 4613 127.0.0.1 (8 Aug 2002 16:40:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Aug 2002 16:40:04 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33059 > > Chasin' some almond blossoms, is we? :) Yup Article 33060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D533DE0.C936DE02@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Treatment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 06:27:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.45 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1028874460 67.251.117.45 (Fri, 09 Aug 2002 02:27:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 02:27:40 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33060 What is the best source for information on the treatment of hives for mites, foulbrood, hive beetles, etc. in North Carolina (or the area)? Since this information changes from time to time, I would like an updated schedule for using the Apistan strips, Fumidil, Terramycin, etc. What is recommended and when? Thank you. Louise Adderholdt Hudson, North Carolina Article 33062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:35:34 +0100 From: Kelly and Sandy Sender: Kelly and Sandy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: searching postings References: <3f552cec.0208061529.351365d3@posting.google.com> Organization: ALMA Services MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-190-201-121.pdu.pipex.net X-Trace: 1028918143 news.dial.pipex.com 8506 62.190.201.121 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33062 In sci.agriculture.beekeeping newsletter <3f552cec.0208061529.351365d3@p osting.google.com>, entitled "searching postings", Freddie Cooke UK wrote >Is there any means by which one may search past postings for specific criteria? The best way to search past postings in any newsgroup that I've found is to use the Google newsgroup search. It's been going a long time. It used to be called "Deja News" a while back, then "Deja", and now it's been bought up by Google. It hasn't suffered much, however, through it's various incarnations and is a very useful tool: http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search If it's just postings from this group you're after, you would type in "sci.agriculture.beekeeping" (sans quotes) in the "Newsgroup" field. You can also search for messages within a certain period of time (i.e. only this year, or only in the past two months, or all the way back to 1981, supposedly). Very useful search tool for newsgroups. Kind regards, Kelly kelly anderson Article 33063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Normand Choinière" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oxalic acid in Canada Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:09:39 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.208.211.13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1028923743 216.208.211.13 (Fri, 09 Aug 2002 16:09:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 16:09:03 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!torn!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33063 I can't find oxalic acid in Canada except if I buy a 25 kg barrel or, at the opposite, I can get 50 grams for 5.85 $ at the pharmacy. Is there anybody who found oxalic acid for a reasonnable price and more reasonnable quantity (+- 250 grams to 750 grams let's say).... and where!!! Normand Choinière Article 33064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do we have any experts on UK pollen? Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:22:43 +0100 Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-965.hottie.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1028924710 20789 62.25.167.197 (9 Aug 2002 20:25:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 2002 20:25:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33064 I have recently noticed an unusual colour pollen in two of my apiaries, both in combs and on the varroa floor. The colour, a purple/blue, is an exact match for Campanula as shown in Dorothy Hodges 'Pollen Loads of the Honeybee', but the shape of the pollen grains is completely different from Campanula - the nearest that I can find is Sainfoin as shown in Rex Sawyer's 'Pollen Identification for Beekeepers'. The apiaries are about 3 miles apart, so could have worked the same source, and I suspect that it came in during late June/early July. Any thoughts would be welcome! Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Article 33065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: searching postings Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:07:43 +0100 Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <3f552cec.0208061529.351365d3@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-965.hottie.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1028927264 22621 62.25.167.197 (9 Aug 2002 21:07:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 2002 21:07:44 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33065 http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/sciagriculturebeekeeping_search.htm -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Kelly and Sandy" wrote in message news:cOt6$eA2tAV9EwGh@gsn04.dial.pipex.com... > In sci.agriculture.beekeeping newsletter <3f552cec.0208061529.351365d3@p > osting.google.com>, entitled "searching postings", Freddie Cooke UK > wrote > > >Is there any means by which one may search past postings for specific criteria? > > The best way to search past postings in any newsgroup that I've found is > to use the Google newsgroup search. It's been going a long time. It > used to be called "Deja News" a while back, then "Deja", and now it's > been bought up by Google. It hasn't suffered much, however, through > it's various incarnations and is a very useful tool: > > http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search > > If it's just postings from this group you're after, you would type > in "sci.agriculture.beekeeping" (sans quotes) in the "Newsgroup" field. > You can also search for messages within a certain period of time (i.e. > only this year, or only in the past two months, or all the way back to > 1981, supposedly). > > Very useful search tool for newsgroups. > > Kind regards, > > Kelly > kelly anderson Article 33066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Walton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Do we have any experts on UK pollen? Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <4XX49.1772$DZ.183313@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:08:00 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.182.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net 1028934464 62.255.182.152 (Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:07:44 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:07:44 BST Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33066 I've checked Steven Hardys "Pocket Pollen Colour Guide" for Purple/Blue pollen and the only thing that comes close is Field Poppy (Purple & Black depending on species) but it is probably a bit late in the year for it to be Poppy. Nothing else comes close. Article 33067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: palmbidatnew.zip Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:11:47 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3d547067$0$14373$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.73 X-Trace: 1028943975 dread06.news.tele.dk 14373 195.249.242.73 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33067 Palmbidata revised and a hotsynch error fixed. (Keyviolation removed). Http://apimo.dk/programs/palmbidatnew.zip -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 04-05-2002 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 33068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Swarmcatcher Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen being introduced on Hivetool.com webcam Message-ID: <6at8lu8gvfm9s5a50fvpnjj0vr669l3qt6@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 22:04:16 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 21:07:43 -0500 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!feed.news.nacamar.de!uio.no!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!64.152.100.70!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:819 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33068 Everyone, http://www.hivetool.com/webcam We requeened our LiveHive with a Buckfast queen this evening. The cage is hanging vertically in front of the camera but I'm not sure how much we will get to see since it is currently covered with workers. I'll run my local capture function so if anything interesting appears we can publish it later. Enjoy. -Barry Richards Article 33069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:19:04 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip149.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33069 On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:09:39 -0400, "Normand Choinière" wrote: >I can't find oxalic acid in Canada except if I buy a 25 kg barrel or, at the >opposite, I can get 50 grams for 5.85 $ at the pharmacy. Is there anybody >who found oxalic acid for a reasonnable price and more reasonnable quantity >(+- 250 grams to 750 grams let's say).... and where!!! > >Normand Choinière > Look in the hardware store for wood bleach. It's about $6.00 a pound. beekeep Article 33070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 25 From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: National Honey Show - London - 14-16th November 2002 Message-ID: <1028992294.121.0@zbee.com> Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:11:34 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.157.220.2 X-Complaints-To: news-admin@dircon.co.uk X-Trace: news.dircon.co.uk 1028992968 195.157.220.2 (Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:22:48 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:22:48 BST Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!news.dircon.co.uk.POSTED!zbee.com!anonymous!steven.turner Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33070 2002 National Honey Show LONDON UK 14-16th November 2002 A massive honey show with International Classes! Opener: His Honour Judge David Smith QC Awards: Richard Jones the Director of IBRA Venue: Kensington Town Hall, Hornton Street, London, England UK Dates: 14th -16th November, Thursday - Saturday Times: Thursday 2:00pm-7pm, Friday 9:30am -7pm, Saturday 9:00am -5pm Admission: £10.00 Children under 16 and Members FREE Download schedule files and information about the National from the website http://www.honeyshow.co.uk Beekeepers and traders exhibit from around the globe with the best in beekeeping products and equipment. A friendly welcome awaits all international visitors. Regards, Steven Turner in London (publicity) ... When you go in search of honey all you get is spam. Article 33071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.221.56 From: "G" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:06:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.67.253.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1029002807 24.67.253.205 (Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:06:47 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:06:47 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33071 Dear Mr Beekeep, While it may be available in a hardware store in the WASHINGTON, DC, USA area, the gentleman is asking about purchasing it in CANADA. It is, for now, another country with different laws and regulations regarding the sale and useage of all sorts of products. While your advice is welcomed perhaps it would be best to read the question properly before replying? "beekeep" wrote in message news:3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net... > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:09:39 -0400, "Normand Choinière" > wrote: > > >I can't find oxalic acid in Canada except if I buy a 25 kg barrel or, at the > >opposite, I can get 50 grams for 5.85 $ at the pharmacy. Is there anybody > >who found oxalic acid for a reasonnable price and more reasonnable quantity > >(+- 250 grams to 750 grams let's say).... and where!!! > > > >Normand Choinière > > > Look in the hardware store for wood bleach. It's about $6.00 a pound. > > beekeep > > Article 33072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada Date: 10 Aug 2002 11:28:19 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208101028.7a47dee4@posting.google.com> References: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1029004100 12892 127.0.0.1 (10 Aug 2002 18:28:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2002 18:28:20 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33072 honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote in message news:<3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net>... > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:09:39 -0400, "Normand Choinière" > wrote: > > >I can't find oxalic acid in Canada except if I buy a 25 kg barrel or, at the > >opposite, I can get 50 grams for 5.85 $ at the pharmacy. Is there anybody > >who found oxalic acid for a reasonnable price and more reasonnable quantity > >(+- 250 grams to 750 grams let's say).... and where!!! > > > >Normand Choinière > > > Look in the hardware store for wood bleach. It's about $6.00 a pound. > > beekeep You can get it from: ---Mike Article 33073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JOHNNY CANUCK Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada Message-ID: <100820021239045502%johnny@canuck.com> References: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 42 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:40:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news2.telusplanet.net 1029004820 161.184.141.129 (Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:40:20 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:40:20 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news2.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33073 > wrote: > Dear Mr Beekeep, > While it may be available in a hardware store in the WASHINGTON, DC, USA > area, the gentleman is asking about purchasing it in CANADA. Well dipshit..... One Canuck to another..... We don't have hardware stores in Canada these days....?????? Beaver Lumber, Revvy, and Home hardware are figments of our Canadian imagination.....???? Countries aside.... His advise was that bad, off base, stupid, out of whack, assinine, imature, nonsensical, outrageous, dangerous, illegal, offensive, ludicrous, redundant, shallow, comical, useless, illogical, and impractical, that it required the response you gave it......????? > It is, for now, another country with different laws and regulations regarding > the sale and useage of all sorts of products. Well dipshit..... One Canuck to another..... If you know something regarding the laws and regulations pertaining to the sale of this product in Canada ( that the rest of us don't ) THEN INFORM US ALL. This is one of the main reasons this group exists.... remember......??? > While your advice is welcomed perhaps it > would be best to read the question properly before replying? Well dipshit..... One Canuck to another..... Who's to say he didn't...??? > > "beekeep" wrote in message > > Look in the hardware store for wood bleach. It's about $6.00 a pound. > > > > beekeep Article 33074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.221.56 From: "G" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> <100820021239045502%johnny@canuck.com> Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada Lines: 68 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:14:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.67.253.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1029010485 24.67.253.205 (Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:14:45 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:14:45 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!ps01-chi1!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33074 Dear Johnny, DON'T GET YOUR BEAVER IN A TWIST!! You must have noticed that every time someone posts a question about purchasing Oxalic Acid in Canada, someone from the States replies saying "Just run down to the local hardware, paint supply or marine supply store and pick some up". As you and I BOTH know, it just isn't possible in Canada. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY! and haven't had any for several years. If your local Beaver Lumber, Revvy or Home Hardware DOES, give us the address so we can all get some. My post was intended to remind people that what may be possible in 1 country is not necessarily possible in another...that's all. What's the point in providing 'useless' information? I notice there aren't any replies by Canadians who have been able to get it....including you...? BTW...clean up your language....One Canuk to another "JOHNNY CANUCK" wrote in message news:100820021239045502%johnny@canuck.com... > > wrote: > > > Dear Mr Beekeep, > > While it may be available in a hardware store in the WASHINGTON, DC, USA > > area, the gentleman is asking about purchasing it in CANADA. > > Well dipshit..... One Canuck to another..... > > We don't have hardware stores in Canada these days....?????? > > Beaver Lumber, Revvy, and Home hardware are figments of our Canadian > imagination.....???? > > Countries aside.... His advise was that bad, off base, stupid, > out of whack, assinine, imature, nonsensical, outrageous, > dangerous, illegal, offensive, ludicrous, redundant, shallow, > comical, useless, illogical, and impractical, that it required > the response you gave it......????? > > > It is, for now, another country with different laws and regulations regarding > > the sale and useage of all sorts of products. > > Well dipshit..... One Canuck to another..... > > If you know something regarding the laws and regulations pertaining > to the sale of this product in Canada ( that the rest of us don't ) > THEN INFORM US ALL. > > This is one of the main reasons this group exists.... remember......??? > > > While your advice is welcomed perhaps it > > would be best to read the question properly before replying? > > Well dipshit..... One Canuck to another..... > > Who's to say he didn't...??? > > > > "beekeep" wrote in message > > > > Look in the hardware store for wood bleach. It's about $6.00 a pound. > > > > > > beekeep Article 33075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ant help! Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:15:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1029014131 12.86.120.109 (Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:15:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:15:31 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:821 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33075 Just hived me a swarm today... not sure if I can get them ready for winter in this amount of time but I have high hopes... I am in FL and the weather never really gets that bad here. So hopefully I will be able to boost them up with feed to make it through our almost non existant winter. But here is my question. I have just put the bees in the hive and already I am seeing a stream of ants going into the hive. I know I can use the "used motor oil" approach of placing hive on 4 leg stand and then place stand in coffee cans of oil, but I would prefer not to do that. I have read that if you keep cinamon around your hive it will prevent ants and not bother the bees.... do you guys have any advise? Perhaps the hive will take care of the problem itself? Thanks in advance for your answers. Article 33076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Normand Choinière" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada or Viagra Lines: 68 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:12:54 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.127.167 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1029017544 206.172.127.167 (Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:12:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:12:24 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33076 I don't think it is available in Canada. I've done big paint suppliers. They haven't seen that for years. They use something else to bleach the wood. It is supposed to be in radiator shops. Nobody have seen that since 1980 or so. Supposed to be part of a Prestone cleaning kit. Not in sale in Canada. Auto parts (big) don't know about it, retailers also. It was available years ago. Brand names like DAP-Bondex sell it in USA not in Canada. Big hardware stores and similar stores like Home Depot, Home Hardware, Rona, Reno-Depot. They simply don't know about oxalic acid, they refer you to the pharmacy. It is sold in pharmacy at 5.85 CDN $ for 50 grams and they sell it under the name of lemon salt (!)... that is about 200 US $ or 300 CDN $ for 5 pouds... better get Viagra it is cheaper!!!!!! Anyone tested Viagra for Varroas? I can get it from USA 5 pounds for about 50 CDN $ (all tax included) delivered at home. This is the probably the best and only way to go. Don't tell me about US places to look. Very easy to find on Internet. Oxalic acid seems to be a national resource in USA! Here in Canada we have "poutine" which is not available anywhere in USA!!! :-))) NC "G" a écrit dans le message de news: XCc59.118528$v53.6086718@news3.calgary.shaw.ca... > Dear Mr Beekeep, > While it may be available in a hardware store in the WASHINGTON, DC, USA > area, the gentleman is asking about purchasing it in CANADA. It is, for now, > another country with different laws and regulations regarding the sale and > useage of all sorts of products. While your advice is welcomed perhaps it > would be best to read the question properly before replying? > > > "beekeep" wrote in message > news:3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net... > > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:09:39 -0400, "Normand Choinière" > > wrote: > > > > >I can't find oxalic acid in Canada except if I buy a 25 kg barrel or, at > the > > >opposite, I can get 50 grams for 5.85 $ at the pharmacy. Is there anybody > > >who found oxalic acid for a reasonnable price and more reasonnable > quantity > > >(+- 250 grams to 750 grams let's say).... and where!!! > > > > > >Normand Choinière > > > > > Look in the hardware store for wood bleach. It's about $6.00 a pound. > > > > beekeep > > > > > > Article 33077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ant help! Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:01:17 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: 42.20.b9.dc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 11 Aug 2002 01:06:44 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:822 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33077 The argentine ants that bother my hives really only cause a serious problem with nucs. They love brood and can overpower a weak hive. The only solution I have found is two 8X8X16" building blocks set in a 6" high cut off bottom of a 55 gallon drum, filled with water, and a 24"X24" piece of plywood on top of the blocks and under the hive. Article 33078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada or Viagra Date: 10 Aug 2002 19:46:24 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208101846.1a9f1e36@posting.google.com> References: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.171 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1029033984 6562 127.0.0.1 (11 Aug 2002 02:46:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Aug 2002 02:46:24 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33078 "> It is sold in pharmacy at 5.85 CDN $ for 50 grams and they sell it under the > name of lemon salt (!)... that is about 200 US $ or 300 CDN $ for 5 pouds... > better get Viagra it is cheaper!!!!!! Anyone tested Viagra for Varroas? > > I can get it from USA 5 pounds for about 50 CDN $ (all tax included) > delivered at home. > > This is the probably the best and only way to go. Don't tell me about US > places to look. Very easy to find on Internet. Oxalic acid seems to be a > national resource in USA! Here in Canada we have "poutine" which is not > available anywhere in USA!!! :-))) > > NC OK I'll bite.What is poutine?As for Viagra,it is only manufactured here for export to Canada,as everyone knows USA guys dont need it! ---Mike (the source I posted sells pure oxalic for 3 bucks a pound US.) Article 33079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: ant problems? Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:13:26 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:28:35 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!fs01-sjc1.usenetserver.com!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:823 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33079 Well, if it's small black ants they are after unripened nectar and honey. If it is carpenter ants or fire ants they are after new brood. Perfect, soft, clean protein sources. People always talk about "used" motor oil. You can get it for less than $0.75 a quart- so why don't people ever talk about it? It doesn't have all the acids, nasty chemicals and heavy metals like used stuff does- so why not use it? I am an "organic" gardener and hate to talk about it but sometimes you have to give the bees help, especially when it's a new hive. Smearing axle grease on your hive stand legs works too, it is a little messy (looking) but works too. Good Luck- don't forget to stop down your hive entrance as strong colonies might well rob this hive out in the heat/nectar shortage of late summer, especially if it under attack by ants. The bees may well abscond (they did before!) so be vigilant if you are gonna keep 'em. Also if you do feed this time of year the ants will be all over it, more so is you use entrance (Boardman) feeders. Fire ants will go for the water in the sugar syrup- they don't really want the sugar. They may start on unprotected larvae if the hive is busy, so get to it! Britt Article 33080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: ant problems? Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 04:39:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: