1 Article 9150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:41:17 -0600 From: LibBEE@msn.com Subject: Chewy Honey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <870403044.27967@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Posting Service X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 01 02:37:25 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 153.35.79.61 (1Cust61.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; Update a; Windows 95) X-Authenticated-Sender: LibBEE@msn.com Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9150 So far I've extracted about 70 lbs of honey,it's delicious,but very thick.I think it's because of the drought We are experiencing in the Boston,USA area.Is this OK to bottle as is?If I enter it in a fair will points be taken off because its so thick?Thanks for any info or advice. Garry Libby -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 9151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nilamda@aol.com (NILAMDA) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving a hive Date: 1 Aug 1997 18:08:02 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <19970801180801.OAA13354@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <33DFD1AC.3D13@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9151 A screened entrance??????????????? "Hive closure at the entrance should always be total. If it is done with perforated zinc or something else the bees can see through many will kill themselves trying to get out." Ted Hooper, Guide to Bees and Honey, page 135. We normally use !.25" square plastic foam 4" longer than the entrance. It gives you something to get hold of easily when you are ready to open up again. Tony Malin RUGBY UK Article 9152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!hermes.louisville.edu!not-for-mail From: caw@SPAM@bcc.louisville.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I was wondering... Date: 1 Aug 1997 21:36:24 GMT Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 24 Message-ID: <5rtkso$d4s$1@hermes.louisville.edu> References: <5rs3ri$1v0$190@brie.direct.ca> Reply-To: caw@SPAM@bcc.louisville.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: flowman.bcc.louisville.edu X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 2.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9152 In <5rs3ri$1v0$190@brie.direct.ca>, C. Patterson writes: > >I was wondering if anybody could help... > >My fiancee and I want to visit her parents before >our wedding. > >However, the cheapest trip we can find is still well >beyond our financial means... > >If you can offer any help, it would be greatly >appreciated. > >Much thanks, > > Clint Patterson > 141-549 6200 McKay Ave > Burnaby, BC Canada > V5H 4L7 perhaps you could get a job??? Article 9153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.peak.org!news.structured.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsgate.direct.ca!usenet From: C. Patterson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I was wondering... Date: 1 Aug 1997 07:39:30 GMT Organization: IDC Lines: 18 Message-ID: <5rs3ri$1v0$190@brie.direct.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: van-as-12a16.direct.ca Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9153 I was wondering if anybody could help... My fiancee and I want to visit her parents before our wedding. However, the cheapest trip we can find is still well beyond our financial means... If you can offer any help, it would be greatly appreciated. Much thanks, Clint Patterson 141-549 6200 McKay Ave Burnaby, BC Canada V5H 4L7 Article 9154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33E29651.2400@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 22:07:13 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I was wondering... References: <5rs3ri$1v0$190@brie.direct.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.75.157 Lines: 22 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.75.157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9154 C. Patterson wrote: > > I was wondering if anybody could help... > > My fiancee and I want to visit her parents before > our wedding. > > However, the cheapest trip we can find is still well > beyond our financial means... > > If you can offer any help, it would be greatly > appreciated. > > Much thanks, > > Clint Patterson > 141-549 6200 McKay Ave > Burnaby, BC Canada > V5H 4L7 GEt a Job.... I'd love to own a 200 acre farm with a 5 bedroom house and a pool. Maybe a new truck. If you have money to waste throw some my way too! Article 9155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33E23316.170E@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 15:03:50 -0400 From: "Philip M. Hempel" Reply-To: bigun@ibm.net Organization: Communications Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow Jacket Problem References: <01bc9566$f2922c80$aa0deecd@bern> <33D27634.3FDD@Birkey.Com> <33E0FD37.1D8F@hdscorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.105.139 Lines: 55 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!166.72.105.139 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9155 Thomas W. Christ wrote: > > I have used gasoline in the pastBarry Birkey wrote: > > > > Bern wrote: > > > > > > We have discovered a new yellow jacket nest in our yard deep in the ground. > > > Yes one of us has been stung :-( we need to get rid of these intruders. > > > Is there an effective solution anyone can suggest that is quick? > > > > > > Thank You! > > > -- > > > Email to Fax Service > > > http://www.aracnet.com/~bern > > > bern@aracnet.com > > > > Looks like this address needs to start being posted on a weekly basis now that we are > > getting into the yellowjacket season. > > > > http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/general/ > > > > -- > > Barry Birkey > > West Chicago, Illinois USA > > barry@birkey.com > > http://www.birkey.com > > I have used gasoline in the past (pouring several ounces of it into the > hole used by the yellowjackets). I had a problem with a yellowjacket > nest three days ago; it was underneath the kennel in which I keep my brid > dogs. I didn't want to use gasoline both because of the dogs and because > I just don't want to dump gasoline into the ground any more. Following > the advice of our Ag Extension office (who also suggested gasoline as an > alternative approach!) I used liquid Sevin. I mixed 6 oz into a gallon > of water (this is the recommended ratio on the Sevin container for fire > ants; there was no suggestion relative to yellowjackets), waited until > dark, poured it down the hole, and covered the hole with a stone. The > next morning one yellowjacket apeared, and he has since succumbed. The > Sevin didn't have the instantaneous effect of gasoline, but it ultimately > did the job. The crucial part of this approach to the problem is to > attack at night! Otherwise, you will be terribly stung. Tom. To save you the dangerous experience of using gasoline in a confined area and possible blow you and the neighborhood up - USE the product called "GETTUM GONE" for the pesky yellowjackets and wasps nests. Just spray a good dose into the entry area of the nest (siding of house, tree hole, ground hole entrance or the end of the gray football shaped nests) and with twenty four hours the nest will be finished. No one gets hurt and the enviroment is safe with this product. Just $7.00 for a can that will take care of two or more problems. Visit the webstore soon to be in full operation at www.blossomland or call 800-637-5262. PMH Article 9156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need help with home made extractor Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 09:54:28 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 45 Message-ID: <33E1A444.448E@nt.com> References: <870293893.25922@dejanews.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9156 k-jones@ee.utah.edu wrote: snip.... > Is it necessary to support the comb itself while it is being spun? > Most extractors I've seen have some sort of mesh (like expanded metal) > which the comb can rest against during spinning. If I were to build > an extractor in which the wooden frame was held and supported, but > with no support for the actual comb, would this work, or would the > comb be likely to break? How much support is actually needed? snip.... In my experience supporting the comb is essential, any mesh less than 1 cm would probably be OK. I'd avoid very small mesh as too much honey might be left on after extracting and therefore wasted. > (I use medium size frames, with prewired foundation, if that matters.) > > Also, I am thinking that rather than put a crank on the axle, I will > just > chuck the axle into an electric hand drill, and use this to spin the > frames. Is there some reason why this wouldn't work well? snip.... For a tangential extractor the speed will be to high for at least the first pass on the first side of the frame. The force exerted on/by the honey on the second (inside) side is likely to damage if not destroy the comb. If youtr starting from scratch why not make a tangetial extractor? I've used both tangential and radial extractors and the fiddle of doing the first side gently, then the second side fully and finally the first side fully is too much for me, I've now got a 10 frame radial. If you have a variable speed electic drill you might be able to use it starting at low speed and building up slowly. Unless its marketing hype I'm told that the electric motors on extractors is high because they sense the torque and build up speed as the effort required goes down. I'm probably wrong though! -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.usit.net!newsfeed.telalink.net!telalink!usenet From: brich@telalink.net (Barry Richards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee's nest Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 12:27:12 GMT Organization: Telalink Corporation, Nashville, TN, USA Lines: 32 Message-ID: <33e32620.36097439@news.telalink.net> References: <870323007.21989@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial1-dyn4-57.bna.telalink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9157 On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:37:15 -0600, cmartel@videotron.ca wrote: >I have a non-stopping growing nest of bees just in front of my door. >Any suggestion to what to do with it, apart from killing the bees? > >Although winter is far, what happen with it (the nest) and with them >(the bees)? > >Thanks > >Christian > >-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Please give us a description of this "nest". Since you say that it is in front of your front door I would imagine you are talking about a wasp or hornet nest (made of gray paper) rather than a honeybee colony. Honeybees will build in enclosed spaces such as trees, within building walls or attics. On rare occasion they will build outside which appears as several parallel sheets of honeycomb. Wasps and hornets will abandon their nests in winter. Honeybees that build in the open can not survive and will generally swarm to seek more suitable shelter. Let us know. -Barry Richards brich@nashville.net Nashville, Tennessee Article 9158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.bctel.net!news.rapidnet.net!not-for-mail From: ccgammon@bigfoot.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in My Shed Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 15:05:42 GMT Organization: Rapidnet Technologies Internet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5rt26g$hm1$2@news.rapidnet.net> References: <33d9d72a.204321@news.pathcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ap011.rapidnet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9158 do@not.use (Carol and Ron) posted: >Today, I realized that a colony of bees have set up shop in a corner >of my shed under my grass catcher. Bees are wonderful and I consider >this a boon for my garden, however this is my shed. Will this colony >eventually move or are they there for life? Is it possible for me to >create an alternative home and move them to it? How would I winterize >such a new home so that they could survive our difficult winters? How >do I move the bees? I'll give "dollars to donuts" that you've got yellow jackets or some kind of hornet! Honeybees build their natural homes in hollow trees or sometimes take up residence inside walls. Call a local exterminator to have a closer look. Wasps and hornets pack a very nasty sting that you'll not soon forget. Article 9159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: canola oil mineral oil/mites Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 20:47:51 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 60 Message-ID: <33E3D537.B6187B92@valley.net> References: <19970802145401.KAA15115@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-111.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9159 Ahlmon1961 wrote: > I was hoping whomever posted the info regarding the use of mineral oil > and > canola oil might repost so i could apply to my hives. > > Thankyou, > > Alan M. (Minnesota) greetings, well, here in new hanmpshire i am using mineral oil for mite control, following dr. rodriguez' program as follows: i apply a thin strip of food grade mineral oil [sold as a laxative at pharmacies and many grocery stores, also places like k-mart] to the top of every frame in the hive. i'm using an old shampoo bottle, the kind with the pop-up dispenser. since i have to squeeze the bottle gently to ge the oil out, i have excellent control of the dosage. plus, as i move the bottle along the frame, the edge of the cap sort of pushes any bees that are on top of the frame out of the way, so they don't get soaked. [they buzz like mad at the ignominious treatment, but it's for their own good.] with this method, i have very few fatalities from overdosing, usually only a couple of bees per treatment. i end up applying about one ounce of oil per box. dr. rodriguez said on BeeChat that he applies the oil every 8 days or so. i apply it once a week on the weekend, when i do my hive maintenance/inspection. this method is somewhat labor intensive and may not be suitable for individuals with a lot of hives, especially if you have a lot os supers on, as you have to treat every frame [requires breaking down the hive and setting it back up when you're done]. but, since i only have one hive, it's not a problem for me. so far, i'm very happy with the results, but successful overwintering will tell the tale. at a beekeeping workshop i recently attended they recommended using paper napkins soaked with vegetable oil, applying 2 napkins on top of the frames of the top brood box every 3 weeks. the bees chew up the napkins and remove them from the hive, spreading the oil in the process. it's a lot less labor intensive, but you run the risk of the oil turning rancid in hot weather, and it depends on the housekeeping habits of your bees whether or not the treatment will be effective. one possible alternative would be to combine the 2 methods and use mineral oil soaked napkins. at least you wouldn't have the potential of rancid oil in the hive. hope this helps, bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!gatech!purdue!oitnews.harvard.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!goldenapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-2028.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brood on the outer frames Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 13:11:02 -0500 Organization: Thieving Magpie Lines: 49 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <33DFE59A.16F0500E@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-2028.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9160 Hi Bill. Comments interspersed: In article <33DFE59A.16F0500E@valley.net>, bill greenrose wrote: > greetings all, > > unexpectedly, i have found that my queen has laid brood all the way to > the last frame in my bottom deep. i have 4 full and capped frames of > honey on one side [the front], and then a few frames of brood, some more > honey, and the last couple of frames [10 and 11] have mostly eggs and > larvae. > > question: should i rotate those frames to the center of the box now, or > should i wait and see if the bees naturally make the adjustment? Here's my suggestion: Move the "last two" combs (containing eggs/larvae) to the center of the brood chamber, and move the combs of honey to the outside positions, front and back. Sounds like what you were planning anyway. You want the brood in the center, where it will be well-tended and warm, so this will concentrate the brood nest at the center. Next, reverse the positions of the two brood chambers. I presume that all the combs in that (now) upper brood chamber are fully drawn by now. Putting it down on the floor will place the queen's main brood nest at the bottom, with the honey stores (& some brood in center) positioned above. Then as the late sources bloom, the bees can continue filling the top brood-box with honey and pollen for winter/spring stores. Meanwhile the queen has plenty of space to continue laying in the bottom. The colony will be in fine shape for winter with this arrangement. > my guess is that there was so much competition for open cells > [started with foundation] that the queen had to lay eggs where she found > the opportunity. This sometimes happens when there is an intense nectar flow. We have had some new colonies this season, which were just starting to draw their second-brood-chamber foundation, but then filled all the cells with honey as fast as they were being drawn. The queens never got to lay in the new combs up there at all! Some combs are still only half-constructed, but the portion that was drawn is all full and capped! Adjacent to this in the same frames is untouched foundation. Quite an odd sight. Best wishes, Joel Govostes Freeville, NY Article 9161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33E430BE.4F79@prostar.com> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 23:18:21 -0800 From: Dan Kiehnle Reply-To: liggy@prostar.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Okay, well! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.211.144 Lines: 7 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!208.8.204.10!news.prostar.com!208.8.211.144 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9161 So, is everyone so busy extracting honey that they don't post here anymore? Tell me what kind of flow is going on where you're at! Here in Washington, we've got blackberry honey that's just about done, and soon there may be a bonus crop once the hornets get into the plums and pears and blackberries. Dan Article 9162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: vandy@avana.net (Vandy Terre) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FAQs? Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 03:30:04 GMT Organization: Tanglewood Farm Reply-To: vandy@avana.net Message-ID: <33e4a808.2615089@news.avana.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.245.133.174 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.245.133.174 Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.avana.net!205.245.133.174 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9162 I have been lurking here for the most part for the last year. i don't have bees at this time but do intend to keep at least 3 hives once some other projects are completed. I am seeing a lot of the same questions asked as new people join this newsgroup. Would it be possible for someone to post a FAQ on a once a month basis? Web sights are great, folks, but not all of us have web access. Please simplify life for us new to this newsgroup. Thank you for reading this post. Vandy Terre vandy@avana.net Georgia, USA Article 9163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!165.166.15.5!news1.infoave.net!usenet From: MALMOND@CTC.NET (MALMOND) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Fables Date: 3 Aug 1997 01:24:35 GMT Organization: Info Avenue INTERNET Access Lines: 14 Message-ID: <5s0mkj$fk8@news1.infoave.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-4.r03.nccncr.infoave.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9163 Does anyone have back issues of American Bee Journal? Maybe a couple years back. There was a column by Conrad Burbee that had some fables. I did not subscribe to the ABJ at that time. If someone would be so kind and look these up and email them I would be most appreciative to that someone. I do have one that I would share with that person. Thank you Mark F. Almond Concord, NC malmond@ctc.net Article 9164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brood on the outer frames Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 12:17:32 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 108 Message-ID: <33E4AF1C.BF023C9C@valley.net> References: <33DFE59A.16F0500E@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-125.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) To: JG in NY X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9164 hi joel, my comments are interspersed with your interspersals. JG in NY wrote: > Hi Bill. Comments interspersed: > > In article <33DFE59A.16F0500E@valley.net>, bill greenrose > wrote: > > > greetings all, > > > > unexpectedly, i have found that my queen has laid brood all the way > to > > the last frame in my bottom deep. [edit] > > > > question: should i rotate those frames to the center of the box > now, or > > should i wait and see if the bees naturally make the adjustment? > > > Here's my suggestion: Move the "last two" combs (containing > eggs/larvae) > to the center of the brood chamber, and move the combs of honey to the > > outside positions, front and back. Sounds like what you were planning > > anyway. [edit] > thanks for the advise! > Next, reverse the positions of the two brood chambers. I presume that > all > the combs in that (now) upper brood chamber are fully drawn by now. > Putting it down on the floor will place the queen's main brood nest at > the > bottom, with the honey stores (& some brood in center) positioned > above. > Then as the late sources bloom, the bees can continue filling the top > brood-box with honey and pollen for winter/spring stores. Meanwhile > the > queen has plenty of space to continue laying in the bottom. The > colony > will be in fine shape for winter with this arrangement. > the second deep is not yet fully drawn. it's only been on the hive for around 2 weeks. as of friday they'd drawn abut 6 of 11 frames [not all fully drawn] with the queen laying on 4 frames. she seems to be making up for lost time, as she's laying heavily on 7 1/2 frames in the first deep as well as in the second. i was surprised at the sheer number of eggs, when i checked the hive. i expect the box will be fully drawn in another couple of weeks, at which time i'll swap it with the first deep. > > my guess is that there was so much competition for open cells > > [started with foundation] that the queen had to lay eggs where she > found > > the opportunity. > > This sometimes happens when there is an intense nectar flow. We have > had > some new colonies this season, which were just starting to draw their > second-brood-chamber foundation, but then filled all the cells with > honey > as fast as they were being drawn. The queens never got to lay in the > new > combs up there at all! Some combs are still only half-constructed, > but > the portion that was drawn is all full and capped! Adjacent to this > in > the same frames is untouched foundation. Quite an odd sight. > that's what some of my frames look like! they get them partially drawn, and then the cells are filled, either with food or with brood, depending on who gets to them first. the bees eventually get back to those frames and draw out the foundation [they did that with the super], but in the meantime it looks kinda weird. guess it's just a combination of new hive with undrawn frames coinciding with a heavy flow [we had a late spring] and a busy queen. i thought her productivity had dropped after the flow was over, but then i started feeding them heavily a little less than 2 weeks ago [they've taken over 4 gallons of syrup], and it almost seems like the abundance of food has kicked her egg laying into high gear. probably just coincidence, though, as she finally has the room to lay. btw, even though i'm feeding them all they can take [and they can take a lot!] i was surprised by how little appeared to have been laid up in the new comb. seems like they're using most if it immediately. either that, or they're spitting it out of a hole in the back of the hive. doesn't bother me to feed them that much, as i take it as a sign of a healthy, hungry hive. if anyone cares to comment on feeding rates for their hives, i'd appreciate knowing, so i can benchmark my hive's consumption rate. thanks, again. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!sympatico.ca!not-for-mail From: knospammak@sympatico.ca (K Mak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees In My Garage- Help Please Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 03:15:06 GMT Organization: Sympatico Lines: 30 Message-ID: <33e3f6a9.49935882@news1.sympatico.ca> Reply-To: knospammak@sympatico.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.206.33 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9165 I have been experiencing a bee problem in my garage. I have noticed every day for about a month now that bees are getting into my garage. I stood outside one day to watch and these bees (bumblebees I think) fly to outside my garage, then land on the ground and enter through the bottom of the garage. They do so only from the bottom left hand side. I have looked all around my house and my neighbours house and there is no nest. I have noticed up to 8 bees at a time buzzing around my garage. There is no nest inside the garage either. Once these bees get into the garage, it is dark and they just end up crawling around on the ground until I open the garage door and they fly away. I think these bees are pretty docile, but I don't want to get stung by accident some day. Is it possible my garage is somehow in the way of their 'flight path'? Is there any way to get rid of them or keep them from hanging around my garage? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------- K Mak Anti-spam: to reply, remove the 'nospam1' from the return emailaddres Article 9166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ahlmon1961@aol.com (Ahlmon1961) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: canola oil mineral oil/mites Date: 2 Aug 1997 14:54:19 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <19970802145401.KAA15115@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9166 I was hoping whomever posted the info regarding the use of mineral oil and canola oil might repost so i could apply to my hives. Thankyou, Alan M. (Minnesota) Article 9167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: ktomkin@earthlink.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Jersey Beekeepers Info? Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 19:29:23 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <33e4dbdc.32938993@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust101.max36.philadelphia.pa.ms.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/32.339 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9167 Anyone have membership info, schedules of meetings, etc. for the New Jersey Beekeepers organization? Thanks... ken tompkins Article 9168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ais.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow Jacket Problem Date: 3 Aug 1997 20:15:58 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 38 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5s2otu$slt$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <01bc9566$f2922c80$aa0deecd@bern> <33D27634.3FDD@Birkey.Com> <33E0FD37.1D8F@hdscorp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9168 I have removed dozens (at least a hundred) of yellow jacket colonies over the past 4 years (as well as hornets, honey bees, and bumble bees). Usually I try for live removal and relocation. (Always for honeybees bumblebees, and for hornets or YJs with an external nest strucutre). If you are not set on a live removal, and I don't recommend you try without the proper equipment and some training, but do want to avoid dumping poison into the ground, I recommend you use a shop vac. Just locate the entrance (if there are two or more, use the largeest one and cover the others (dirt, buckets, whtever...)) and stick the nozzle of the vac into it (turn it on first and do this at sunset). After about 15 minutes or so allow the shop vac to vaccum up some ammonia (a cup or two). You could use a shot of regular insecticide instead but why buy the stuff? Ammonia dissolves the chitinous exoskeleton of the insect and is quite pervasive. (Ammonia breaks down relatively easily and doesn't have the carcinogenic risks that some of the complex petrochemicals do... but still be careful about inhaling any vapors!) (It's also good on stings if applied almost immediately after the event.) Cover the nozzle and let the shop vac sit for a few days before emptying it. If you borrowed the shop vac be sure the contents are dead and emptied before returning it... ;) This will get rid of all/most of the adults. There will still be live brood and many will be ready to hatch, but at this point you could just go in with a shovel and destroy the nest, or simply cover up the entrance. I recommend just doing the latter, since there are almost always a few queens or stragglers in the now decimated nest. Even with gloves and a full bee suit, I almost always take one or two stings taking out ground nesters - then again, I'm out there in the middle of the day and have to contend with returning foragers... If you do nothing but simply vaccum up the adult population, the nest may or may not survive, but if it does, it will be at a lower and possibly tolerable level. And you can always get them again if you need to. E-mail me if you have any specific questions. Incidentally, your desire to avoid dumping posions into the ground is laudable. Too much of that already. Dave T. Article 9169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving a hive Date: 3 Aug 1997 20:52:31 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 56 Message-ID: <5s2r2f$dss$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <33BE5A61.5B62@sprintmail.com> <33DE6677.25BF@concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9169 Select a cool evening. Smoke the entrance of the hive to chase the guards in. If there are a lot of bees sitting outside fanning, it's not that cool an evening. If there are no cool evenings in sight, prepare a day or two before by removing the inner cover (if you use them) and staple screen over the topmost super or hive body. Put the telescoping cover over the screen and do the move a few days later. Assuming you've done this (the screen prep) use the smoker to chase the fanning or lounging workers into the hive. Use screen (cut it before hand) to block the entrance. use a staple gun. Now you can work in peace. (You don't really have to do any of the above but smoke them, but if it's a vicious hive and your "help" is afraid of bees, do yourselves a favor and screen them off. Also, it may not be necessary to screen the top, but I'd hate to see you lose them due to overheating - it might be warm out there... If you used the screen over the uppermost hivebody approach (because it's hot out) take the cover off. The bees should not be able to get out. (You can cool them off easily with a little water if necessary too if it's a long drive.) Now, get one of those ratchet nylon strap pull-downs or use some rope and some good knot tying techniques to tie everything together. Since the bees are screened, you should have little trouble doing this. You can also use "hive staples" but I prefer the nylon straps (about $10 for 4 at home improvement stores). And even with staples you still need to deal with the cover if you are using it. Load the hive into your vehicle. If it's warm out cool them off with some water (spray bottle). Unload the hive at it's new destination. Take the strap/rope/staples off. Put the cover on over the screen if you used a screen. Move the vehicle away. Yank the screen off and walk away quickly - but preserve your dignity. Nothing makes your new neighbors more nervous about a hive than watching the "experts" fleeing in apparent terror... "No maam, bees aren't like wasps at all, the're very gentle..." If the entrance screen does not come off entirely, that's ok. You can get it a few days or a week later... Trust me on this... If you used screen over the hivebodies, remove it when you come back to inspect... Relax, as the man says, and have a [home] brew. Moving bees is no big deal. Just take your time and act deliberately. Usually when I move bees I don't do anything except smoke them and carry them to the truck. But I take some stings too... The pros do this by the hundreds/thousands and can probably give you region-specifc advice, but the main factors YOU'LL need to worry about are temperature and temperment. Good luck, tell us how it works out. And keep those feral bees! My best bees are feral descendents. Some are mean, but that can have advantages too... Dave T. (in PA) Article 9170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!nntp3.crl.com!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!accesscom.com!news.misty.com!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need help with home made extractor Date: 3 Aug 1997 21:06:15 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 18 Message-ID: <5s2rs7$sti$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <870293893.25922@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9170 My 2 cents... you might consider buying a good used one.... With the mites and all, there's a lot of good equipment out there (avoid galvanized tanks though - you have to coat them every year). As for drills. I have used a very heavy duty 1/2 drill on a small extractor with success. You need to build a frame or otherwise securely mount the drill, however. Also, depending upon the load free RPM of the drill, you may need to adjust the speed on the drill itself (many of them have little dials built around the trigger for this.) Plug the drill into a socket that has its own on/off switch and use that for activation. If you are really going to build one, I recommend you go with gear reduction or a multiple belt driven set-up -- with guards around the belts. Maybe you could use bicycle power (seriously). Great, now you've got ME thinking about doing the same thing!!! - Dave T. Article 9171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping In the NEWSpapers Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 21:17:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708031419212336@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 112 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9171 The main news print interest in beekeeping the last few weeks has been a movie you all have at least seen if not heard about. But the 31 of July produced a hit from the Sacramento Bee (California newspaper). I provide this link but warn all that if you believe everything you read your brains will turn to mush and this article has more then its share of brain farts from people who are in the employ of our government or university system that speak with less then candor when it comes to passing facts. ttul, the OLd Drone http://www.sacbee.com/news/beetoday/newsroom/scene/073197/scene01.html *some quotes for those who can't make the connection: I think all that bigger stuff is God's way of warning you the facts have been stretched or left out. The sting: As mites from China invade, honeybee keepers make a beeline to keep the colonies together By David Barton Bee Staff Writer (Published July 31, 1997) Through the netting over his face, through a cloud of bees and the smoke that he has used to make them docile, Silas Barker sees what he's after: a wooden frame of honeycomb. In it, each small wax cell holds a sweet cylinder of honey, the fruit of his -- and about 50,000 bees' -- labor. Silas, 10, isn't just making honey. In one of nature's most remarkable processes, Silas and his bees are helping to pollenate the neighborhood's fruit and vegetable plants. His little corner of Sacramento's Curtis Park area is producing vegetables and fruit in part because of what he's doing. He's also helping to keep a species alive. North American honeybees, Apis mellifera, are disappearing. That is, the hives of wild (or feral) honeybees, where all bees once lived, are all but gone. An infestation of varroa mites from China, which hit the United States at the turn of the decade, has all but wiped out the feral North American honeybee, which lacks the behavioral defenses of its Chinese cousin. ----- The wild colonies that used to nest in trees and under the eaves of houses, evoking awe and mild panic, have become so rare as to be a negligible part of the honeybee population. "It's really a crisis," says Nancy Stewart, co-owner of Sacramento Beekeeping Supplies at 21st and X streets in Sacramento. "The feral colonies are doomed," says Dr. Eric Mussen, a UC-Davis Extention apiculturalist. "We'll never get back to the numbers of colonies we once had." Nowadays, the bees that thrive are in beehives tended by commercial beekeepers and amateurs like Silas. Because they can be treated with insecticides of different kinds (vegetable oil, menthol and a pesticide called Apistan are popular with beekeepers), domestic honeybee colonies are the only ones that have a chance against the varroa mite. In fact, the increasingly rare feral colonies are now a problem because they tend to harbor the mites, sheltering them from the eradication techniques used in domestic colonies, which they can then invade. Still, the number of bees out there is enormous. Mussen estimates that there are some 550,000 commercial bee colonies in California alone. In the United States, he estimates there are 2.6 million commercial colonies. Each colony can hold as many as 50,000 bees. ------ Keeping as many bees alive as possible is important, for they have great commercial value. Beyond California's $18 million honey industry, bees are estimated to play a role in about half of California's $19 billion agricultural industry. Bees are in great demand for commercial crops that need to be pollenated, so most commercial beekeepers move their bees all over the United States. This movement of bee colonies serves to pollenate crops and feed the bees, but it is also a reason the varroa mite spread so quickly across the country. "There are no commercial beekeepers who don't move their bees six times a year," says Mussen. "Even if it's from here to the Dakotas or just to the Sierra, it's a move. Moving depends on what they want to do with their bees. It's to keep them fed, to make more honey and for commercial crop pollenation." The last use makes California the No. 1 destination for bees. The big score for a commercial beekeeper is to land a contract pollenating California's bee-dependent almond-growing industry. "Most of the beekeepers try to find someplace where they can go to almonds," says Mussen, noting that almonds must be pollenated by bees, while there are alternate ways of pollenating many other crops. "They get close to $40 a colony, and the almond growers want two colonies per acre. There are about 420,000 acres of almonds in bloom, so we need over 800,000 colonies, but we have only about 550,000. So colonies come in from Nevada, Texas, the Dakotas." In late January and early February, there are nearly 1 million honey bee colonies in California. With about 2.6 million colonies in the entire country, that means that a third of the nation's bee population comes to California for almond pollenation. check out the whole story... --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The summer comes with flower and bee,-- Article 9172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vaora Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 14:54:23 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <33E4FE0F.41FA8ADA@calwest.net> References: <01bc9d87$eefc7700$76fe5ac2@zvika.artcomp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n1-102-65.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9172 Zvika peer wrote: > Question : > What can I do regarding the Varoa problem ? > Where can I buy Mavrik ? > Thanks zvika > zvika@artcomp.com You can buy it at most any store that sells farm chemicles, but why risk killing your bees with it, or have it found in your honey when you can use Minural Oil and do the same job? ttul, Andy- Article 9174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "John W Richards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BeeKeeping in Oklahomama Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 17:54:49 -0500 Organization: JohnR Ink Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5s329t$2t9@argentina.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust80.max4.dallas.tx.ms.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9174 We are considering starting up with beekeeping. Are there any associations in OK that we can contact. John and Melanie johnwr@earthlink.net -- Trust no one!!! Article 9175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!rice!uw-beaver!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-2028.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vote on Best Beekeeping Book (was Re: Anyone Recomend a Good Beekeeping Book?) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 12:49:26 -0500 Organization: Thieving Magpie Lines: 11 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <33D4CADD.72CC@Eng.Sun.COM> <33DCEF35.590@nospam.East.Sun.COM> <5rn65g$mn0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-2028.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9175 HONEY BY THE TON, by Oliver Field, of Berkshire, UK > Follow-up. > Look forward to your opinions. > Adam > -- > _________________ > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu > http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 9176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ednas7@aol.com (EdnaS7) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How Do You Can Honey? Date: 4 Aug 1997 03:48:44 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19970804034800.XAA27446@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9176 Please help me. In canning honey do you need to sterilize your jars or can I use regular clean jars? ednas7@aol.com Article 9177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Some beekeepers can't spell worth a darn! Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 23:21:02 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <33E574CD.6A4E930B@calwest.net> References: <01bc9d87$eefc7700$76fe5ac2@zvika.artcomp.com> <33E4FE0F.41FA8ADA@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: n4-102-202.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9177 Andy Nachbaur wrote: > Zvika peer wrote: > > > Question : > > What can I do regarding the Varoa problem ? > > Where can I buy Mavrik ? > > Thanks zvika > > zvika@artcomp.com > > You can buy it at most any store that sells farm chemicles, but why > risk > killing your bees with it, or have it found in your honey when you can > > use Minural Oil and do the same job? sp_mineral oil, or as this OLd Drone knows it best as MO, from day's gone by when as a child I was forced fed this stuff once a month to regulate my clock or something... During WW II, (the big one), MO became hard to get as it had war time uses and I was introduced to a ill tasking substitute made from a plant called cascara. This one was so harsh that one would do his best not to swallow it and head for the bath room to upchuck it as fast as you could run. It was brown colored and came in brown glass gallon jugs and was reported to have a chocolate flavor, it was years before I could enjoy anything with a chocolate flavor. ttul, the OLd Drone Article 9178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics,sci.aeronautics.airliners,sci.aeronautics.simulation,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,sci.answers,sci.anthropology,sci.anthropology.paleo,sci.aquaria,sci.archaeology,sci.archaeology.mesoamerican,sci.archaeology.moderated,sci.astro,sci.astro.amateur,sci.astro.fits,sci.astro.hubble,sci.astro.planetarium,sci.astro.research Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!rdd From: Lipo Wang Subject: PAKDD-98: Second Call for Papers Message-ID: Sender: rdd@netcom12.netcom.com Organization: School of Computing & Math, Deakin University Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:46:01 GMT Approved: aeronautics@wilbur.pr.erau.edu Lines: 158 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.aeronautics:10909 sci.aeronautics.airliners:9076 sci.aeronautics.simulation:547 sci.agriculture:20903 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9178 sci.agriculture.fruit:995 sci.agriculture.poultry:3147 sci.agriculture.ratites:909 sci.answers:6863 sci.anthropology:34403 sci.anthropology.paleo:20827 sci.aquaria:27402 sci.archaeology:70810 sci.archaeology.mesoamerican:7124 sci.archaeology.moderated:1251 sci.astro:179124 sci.astro.amateur:107223 sci.astro.fits:1285 sci.astro.hubble:3862 sci.astro.planetarium:5334 sci.astro.research:2292 ====================================================================== C A L L F O R P A P E R S ====================================================================== The Second Pacific-Asia Conference on Knowledge Discovery and Data Mining (PAKDD-98) ---------------------------------------------- Melbourne Convention Centre, Melbourne, Australia ================================================= 15-17 April 1998 Home Page: http://www.sd.monash.edu.au/pakdd-98 Invited Speakers: Jiawei Han (ACSys Keynote Speaker, Simon Fraser University) Chris Wallace (Monash University) The Second Pacific-Asia Conference on Knowledge Discovery and Data Mining (PAKDD-98) will provide an international forum for the sharing of original research results and practical development experiences among researchers and application developers from different KDD related areas such as machine learning, databases, statistics, knowledge acquisition, data visualization, software re-engineering, and knowledge-based systems. 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Lin Bing Liu Huan Liu Zhi-Qiang Liu Hongjun Lu Dickson Lukose Kia Makki Heikki Mannila Peter Milne Shinichi Morishita Hiroshi Motoda Hwee-Leng Ong Jon Oliver Maria Orlowska G.Piatetsky-Shapiro Niki Pissinou Peter Ross Claude Sammut S. Seshadri Hayri Sever Arun Sharma Heinz Schmidt Evangelos Simoudis Atsuhiro Takasu Takao Terano B. Thuraisingham Kai Ming Ting David Urpani R. Uthurusamy Lipo Wang Geoff Webb Graham Williams Beat Wuthrich Xin Yao John Zeleznikow Diancheng Zhang Ming Zhao Zijian Zheng Ning Zhong Justin Zobel Further Information =================== Dr Xindong Wu Department of Software Development Monash University 900 Dandenong Road Caulfield East, Melbourne 3145 Australia Phone: +61 3 9903 1025 Fax: +61 3 9903 1077 Email: Xindong.Wu@fcit.monash.edu.au Article 9179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ahlmon1961@aol.com (Ahlmon1961) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Minnesota honey Date: 4 Aug 1997 15:41:03 GMT Lines: 19 Message-ID: <19970804154100.LAA24260@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9179 Doing well here. Still sweet clover, napweed, various wild flowers. Basswood has passed and probably have about 3 weeks to a month before goldenrod. Have at least two colonies with 5 mediums and rest between 2 and 4. We had a really wet and poressively muggy july and bess did not like that at all. Swarm in mid july it came back due to clipped queen she could not leave with them. I expect about 2 or 3 supers of comb honey besides the 60 plus gallons I'll spin out of the three big colonies. I'm having sucess with dark Italian, carniolan, and Buckfast bees. If you,ve never tried B. Weaver Apiaries out of Texas for Queens, I suggest their All American Queens. They build up super fast and lay a really tight brood pattern. Try their website. Perhaps you might like to try some Minnesota backwoods "Local Honey". Drop me a note and I'll send you a bear. All the best, Alan M. Article 9180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: vandy@avana.net (Vandy Terre) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow Jacket Problem Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 16:30:44 GMT Organization: Tanglewood Farm Reply-To: vandy@avana.net Message-ID: <33f4d5c5.10223629@news.avana.net> References: <01bc9566$f2922c80$aa0deecd@bern> <33D27634.3FDD@Birkey.Com> <5r43jh$eis$1@news.istar.ca> <33e1a1b7.21330618@news.avana.net> <33D8BDE5.6B20620B@m.cc.utah.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.245.133.197 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.245.133.197 Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.avana.net!205.245.133.197 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9180 On Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:53:25 -0600, Lin Richardson wrote: >Yeah! And ease up on those pesky roaches while you're at it! Hate to >see wrongful extinction just waiting to happen... As long as the roaches stay out in the woods, they are welcome. In my home or barns they are not welcome and will find poison bait or become chicken dinners. Vandy Terre vandy@avana.net Georgia, USA Article 9181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33E63926.1369@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 16:18:46 -0400 From: "Philip M. Hempel" Reply-To: bigun@ibm.net Organization: Communications Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeKeeping in Oklahomama References: <5s329t$2t9@argentina.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.105.214 Lines: 16 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!166.72.105.214 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9181 John W Richards wrote: > > We are considering starting up with beekeeping. Are there any associations > in OK that we can contact. > > John and Melanie > johnwr@earthlink.net > > -- > Trust no one!!! The national association of the American Beekeeping Federation is well worth the membership fee of $25.00 a year. Write to the A.B.F. at P.O. Box 998 Jesup, GA. 31598-0998 PMH Article 9182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.ti.com!news.itg.ti.com!usenet From: Dan Parker Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.environment.waste,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,sci.edu,sci.environment,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,rec.gardens.orchids,rec.gardens.roses,sci.econ,alt.earth,alt.earth.snow Subject: Re: Grow More Food - 50% Less Water Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 09:08:49 -0500 Organization: Sterling Software, Inc. Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: <33E5E271.702B@sterling.com> References: <33E1429E.AF19B4AA@terawet.com> Reply-To: Dan_Parker@sterling.com NNTP-Posting-Host: danp.itg.ti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:20906 sci.environment.waste:92 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9182 sci.agriculture.fruit:996 sci.agriculture.poultry:3153 sci.agriculture.ratites:912 sci.edu:17401 sci.environment:138303 rec.gardens:213374 rec.gardens.edible:973 rec.gardens.orchids:15336 rec.gardens.roses:46119 sci.econ:73730 alt.earth:146 alt.earth.snow:59 Daniel Golden wrote: > > A breakthrough "State of the Art" co-polymer has been developed by The > Terawet Corporation as a soil amendment for agricultural and > horticultural applications. When applied to the soils of the world, > TERAWET crystals will significantly INCREASE CROP YIELD, and DECREASE > WATER CONSUMPTION by at least 50% and REDUCE FERTILIZERS by 33%. A > single application into the root-zone will remain actively effective for > a period of 7-10 years, making TERAWET extremely cost effective. > Detailed information may be viewed at http://www.terawet.com Well, at least he's not making any sensationalist claims about his product ;-) -- -- "If food is the body of good living, wine is its soul" -- -- Clifton Fadiman, American editor and writer. -- 1904-? -- Article 9183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: FAQs? Date: 4 Aug 1997 22:03:35 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 45 Message-ID: <5s5jjn$l81$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <33e4a808.2615089@news.avana.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9183 In article <33e4a808.2615089@news.avana.net>, Vandy Terre wrote: >I am seeing a lot of the same questions asked as new people join this >newsgroup. Would it be possible for someone to post a FAQ on a once a >month basis? Web sights are great, folks, but not all of us have web >access. Please simplify life for us new to this newsgroup. Thank you >for reading this post. Vandy, you can check out many FAQ files at http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees We don't have a typically Usenet FAQ per se: just because there are so many different ways to keep bees and so many different beekeepers from all over the worlds--the best specific FAQ file you can obtain is to browse what's available, and then write one yourself addressing the questions you feel are frequently asked--people have done this. Traditionally beekeepers have relied on beekeeping books when their teachers and mentors have been unavailable. Currently there is a thread going on now here in sci.agriculture.beekeeping regarding beekeeping books--I'll post a summary of the responses at the end of the month-- so far I've received responses from about six people. When I worked for a state agency promoting beekeeping and now as a graduate student in Apiculture for a land grant university, the recommendation for starting out in beekeeping is to contact your area's agricultural agent and find out if there are any governmental resources available for beekeeping. From here, you'll find more local contacts where you will actually get to work with bees and experience them hands on. There are many good beekeepers on the internet who will gladly share their experience and expertise--feel free to introduce yourself and ask questions, people are busy but also understand that they too were once beginners. good luck, Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 9184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infi.net!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: David Childers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Empty Supers Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 18:40:28 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 6 Message-ID: <33E65A5B.ECAB414A@roanoke.infi.net> Reply-To: dchild@roanoke.infi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm6-139.roanoke.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9184 I have had bees for a number of years and am thinking about buying a small extractor for this years crop. After you have extracted the honey, what do you do to store the supers? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. David Article 9185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.238.120.130!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 12:51:31 -0600 From: humphrys@edc.org Subject: Do Bees "Crowd Out" Wasps? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <870716617.12777@dejanews.com> Reply-To: humphrys@edc.org Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service To: humphrys@edc.org X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Aug 04 17:43:39 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 155.38.5.131 () X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Authenticated-Sender: humphrys@edc.org Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9185 I was wondering whether there's any evidence that having honeybees reduces the local populations of less desirable insects, such as wasps, yellow jackets, or hornets. This would be similar to planting ground cover to "crowd out" weeds. If this is the case, suburban beekeepers might find it easier to "sell" their neighbors on the benefits of keeping bees. Does anyone know if there is any research on this subject? Thanks in advance, Michael Humphrys Wellesley, Mass, USA -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 9186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees forage on ripe grapes Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 02:51:00 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 18 Message-ID: <5s6480$a98$2@nntp.pe.net> References: <5rgjua$e16$1@nntp.pe.net> <33E0D971.E61@envirolink.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: magnolia.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9186 I >I have seen this in the UK at this time of year with rotten apples lying >on the >ground under the trees: wasps and bees feeding on the fruit. Often the >apples >are fermenting with a distinct alcholic smell but it doesn't seem to put >them >off. Sometimes they even seem to be drunk, finding difficulty in taking >off or >flying in a straight line! > >Malcolm. > Cool. I am in Southern California where the temperature today was 112 degrees fahrenheit. My bees are in the shade in a clearing in my bamboo grove. There is not much of this activity now at all, but thanks alot for the reply and for the UK info. Article 9187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Buzzd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help ! Date: 5 Aug 1997 03:56:15 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bca153$55626300$4f45b5cf@apapp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cal-ab4-15.netcom.ca X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Aug 04 10:56:15 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9187 I'm new to beekeeping started this year learning the art from a master of 30+yrs. Together we have 83 hives 22 nucs. We are in southern Alberta close to Calgary, the hives are surrounded by canola. We just completed our first extraction averageing 85 lbs per hive. The problem is some farmers decided to spray their canola with something and the plane was flying all day sunday and monday i didn't find out til monday. By the looks of things 2/3 of our bees are dead. Who can i turn to, what can i do. Please send any info to: apapp@ix.netcom.com THANKS Peace Article 9188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nova3000@aol.com (NOVA3000) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help for beginner Date: 5 Aug 1997 04:16:49 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <19970805041600.AAA02695@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9188 hi everyone . thanks for taking the time to read this message. I am interested in starting up with bee keeping. Could someone please point me in the right direction to start. Are there any books or anything that you would recomend that are helpfull? any help will be appreciated. Thanks alot, Travis Article 9189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.sprintisp.com!nntp.sprintmail.com!nntp.sprintmail.com!news@sprintmail.com From: hbowles@sprintmail.com.nospam (Howard Bowles) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Some beekeepers can't spell worth a darn! Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 00:55:24 GMT Lines: 36 Message-ID: <33e679d9.106306725@nntp.a001.sprintmail.com> References: <01bc9d87$eefc7700$76fe5ac2@zvika.artcomp.com> <33E4FE0F.41FA8ADA@calwest.net> <33E574CD.6A4E930B@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ts-005watacop12.dialsprint.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9189 On Sun, 03 Aug 1997 23:21:02 -0700, Andy Nachbaur wrote: >Andy Nachbaur wrote: > >> Zvika peer wrote: >> Snip > sp_mineral oil, or as this OLd Drone knows it best as MO, from >day's gone by when as a child I was forced fed this stuff once a month >to regulate my clock or something... During WW II, (the big one), MO >became hard to get as it had war time uses and I was introduced to a >ill tasking substitute made from a plant called cascara. This one was >so harsh that one would do his best not to swallow it and head for the >bath room to upchuck it as fast as you could run. It was brown colored >and came in brown glass gallon jugs and was reported to have a chocolate >flavor, it was years before I could enjoy anything with a chocolate >flavor. > >ttul, the OLd Drone > > Interesting to note. Here in the Puget Sound region hhe Cascara tree blooms in June and July and bees love it. First time I saw one I thought I heard a swarm in the tree. Took a closer look and sure enough there were enough bees to be a swarm but they were working the blooms. Never tried the honey from such a hive...may have marketing appeal. Howard _________________________________________________ To reply remove the ".nospam" from the address Article 9190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Some beekeepers can't spell worth a darn! Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 20:42:14 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 59 Message-ID: <33E676E6.1C1EEEE0@valley.net> References: <01bc9d87$eefc7700$76fe5ac2@zvika.artcomp.com> <33E4FE0F.41FA8ADA@calwest.net> <33E574CD.6A4E930B@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-118.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9190 Andy Nachbaur wrote: > Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > sp_mineral oil, or as this OLd Drone knows it best as MO, from > day's gone by when as a child I was forced fed this stuff once a month > > to regulate my clock or something... During WW II, (the big one), MO > became hard to get as it had war time uses and I was introduced to a > ill tasking substitute made from a plant called cascara. This one was > > so harsh that one would do his best not to swallow it and head for the > > bath room to upchuck it as fast as you could run. [edit] hi andy, be grateful you only had to take it once a month. years ago, i worked for a botanical supply company, and one of our products was 'extract of cascara sagrada.' it was used as the active ingredient in a number of 'natural' laxatives. the more purified version of the product that we made was a deep red color. anyway, i ran the quality control lab and one day i got a call from a doctor, inquiring about cascara sagrada extract. seems he had a patient, a woman, who was bright red. literally. as in all over her body. otherwise, she was perfectly healthy. her condition had the doctor stumped, until he explored her dietary habits. seemed she took a tablespoonful of a natural extract every night, before she went to bed, to keep herself regular. for 25 years. every night. what was the active ingredient? you guessed it. it turned out that the natural pigments in the cascara sagrada were absorbed by the adipose tissue [fat cells] in her body. over 25 years they just kept accumulating, until the fat cells under her skin turned bright red, turning her, of course, bright red. he told me she looked like a ripe tomato. since it happened so gradually, over a period of years, she never noticed it, until someone pointed it out to her. the reason he told me about her was because most toxicity studies involve short term, high dosing [as in the LD50 for rats, or the concentration at which a chemical kills 50% of the rat test population], and it's not often you get a long term, low dose data point. human at that. as for the woman, her doctor took her off the laxative [which must have hurt pretty bad, after being on it for 25 years. maybe he put her on mineral oil?], and the color was slowly fading, as her body began to work it out of her system. however, he figured that it would take years, before she only looked like she had a touch of sunburn. well, that had nothing to do with bees, but i thought you might find it interesting. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!128.223.220.30!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!newsspool.sol.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vaora Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 09:35:24 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 22 Message-ID: <33E6E5CC.2961@nt.com> References: <01bc9d87$eefc7700$76fe5ac2@zvika.artcomp.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9191 Zvika peer wrote: > > Question : > What can I do regarding the Varoa problem ? > Where can I buy Mavrik ? > Thanks zvika > zvika@artcomp.com If you can get a 'proper' remedy like Apistan or Bayvoral do yourself and other beekeepers a favour and use that. Do this either after removing or before adding honey supers to avoid any possibility of contaminating the honey. Some people use homeopathic remedies with varying success but if you plan to use hard chemicals use the one for the purpose, it may be a tad more expensive but it's safer for both you and your bees! -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cascara Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 22:52:48 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 60 Message-ID: <33E6BFB0.107E3C57@calwest.net> References: <01bc9d87$eefc7700$76fe5ac2@zvika.artcomp.com> <33E4FE0F.41FA8ADA@calwest.net> <33E574CD.6A4E930B@calwest.net> <33e679d9.106306725@nntp.a001.sprintmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n3-102-184.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B3A9D424C5D8670B7D8A346D" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9192 --------------B3A9D424C5D8670B7D8A346D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howard Bowles wrote: > On Sun, 03 Aug 1997 23:21:02 -0700, Andy Nachbaur > Interesting to note. Here in the Puget Sound region hhe Cascara tree > blooms in June and July and bees love it. First time I saw one I > thought I heard a swarm in the tree. Took a closer look and sure > enough there were enough bees to be a swarm but they were working the > blooms. Never tried the honey from such a hive...may have marketing > appeal. On the coast of Central California the Cascara also blooms in late June. It is more a large bush then a tree and is worked heavy by the honeybees and others. It seldom is found in large enough quantity to produce any surplus honey and what if any that is made is mixed with that of other wildflower flows such as Wild Buckwheat or the Toyon bloom. Because of the dry cycle's we have experienced here the last few decades few bees are now left on the coast to test these late flows from the minor plants that can produce a interesting honey crop every five years or so... As beekeepers find themselves dependent on agriculture for income from pollination so their hives seem to become more dependent on irrigated crops for fodder. ttul, Andy- --------------B3A9D424C5D8670B7D8A346D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howard Bowles wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 1997 23:21:02 -0700, Andy Nachbaur
Interesting to note.  Here in the Puget Sound region hhe Cascara tree
blooms in June and July and bees love it.  First time I saw one I
thought I heard a swarm in the tree.  Took a closer look and sure
enough there were enough bees to be a swarm but they were working the
blooms.  Never tried the honey from such a hive...may have marketing
appeal.
On the coast of Central California the Cascara also blooms in late June. It is more a large bush then a tree and is worked heavy by the honeybees and others. It seldom is found in large enough quantity to produce any surplus honey and what if any that is made is mixed with that of other wildflower flows such as Wild Buckwheat or the Toyon bloom. Because of the dry cycle's we have experienced here the last few decades few bees are now left on the coast to test these late flows from the minor plants that can produce a interesting honey crop every five years or so...  As beekeepers find themselves dependent on agriculture for income from pollination so their hives seem to become more dependent on irrigated crops for fodder.

ttul, Andy- --------------B3A9D424C5D8670B7D8A346D-- Article 9193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Do You Can Honey? Date: Mon, 04 Aug 97 09:39:10 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <17BC087C0S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19970804034800.XAA27446@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9193 In article <19970804034800.XAA27446@ladder02.news.aol.com> ednas7@aol.com (EdnaS7) writes: > >Please help me. In canning honey do you need to sterilize your jars or can >I use regular clean jars? >ednas7@aol.com I run my jars through the dishwasher first. They aren't sterile, but they are clean. Article 9194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!158.152.1.94!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Do You Can Honey? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 09:29:58 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <19970804034800.XAA27446@ladder02.news.aol.com> <17BC087C0S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9194 >I run my jars through the dishwasher first. They aren't sterile, but >they are clean. Ditto. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys Article 9195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!newsspool.sol.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Do You Can Honey? Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 09:38:49 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 16 Message-ID: <33E6E699.B85@nt.com> References: <19970804034800.XAA27446@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9195 EdnaS7 wrote: > > Please help me. In canning honey do you need to sterilize your jars or can > I use regular clean jars? > ednas7@aol.com If you're planning on selling honey to others you can't be too careful. I ither run the jars through a hot cycle in a domestic dishwasher or wash by hand in VERY HOT water. When I say VERY HOT water I mean so hat that you can't put your hand in it unless protected by a heavy rubber/plastic glove. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!newsspool.sol.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Minnesota honey Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 09:48:40 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 29 Message-ID: <33E6E8E8.27A6@nt.com> References: <19970804154100.LAA24260@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9196 Ahlmon1961 wrote: > > Doing well here. Still sweet clover, napweed, various wild flowers. > Basswood has passed and probably have about 3 weeks to a month before > goldenrod. Have at least two colonies with 5 mediums and rest between 2 > and 4. We had a really wet and poressively muggy july and bess did not > like that at all. Swarm in mid july it came back due to clipped queen she > could not leave with them. I expect about 2 or 3 supers of comb honey > besides the 60 plus gallons I'll spin out of the three big colonies. snip... > All the best, > > Alan M. You seem to have done well. Here in the UK our season is all but over, we had a long wet period through May and June but July was OK. I've got 5 hives but one of these was a small swarm I collected and won't produce a surplus this year. I harvested 127 lbs of rape honey in early May and it looks as though I'll get 70 to 80 lbs in the next week or so then it wil be varroa treatment time and feeding for the winter. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help for beginner Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:25:04 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <19970805041600.AAA02695@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9197 In article <19970805041600.AAA02695@ladder01.news.aol.com>, NOVA3000 writes >hi everyone . thanks for taking the time to read this message. I am >interested in starting up with bee keeping. Could someone please point me >in the right direction to start. Are there any books or anything that you >would recomend that are helpfull? any help will be appreciated. 1) Join a beekeepers' association and pick every brain you find. 2) Try to get some practical experience with other beekeepers' colonies. 3) Read (see recent postings on this newsgroup for titles). 4) Read some more (Ted Hooper's Guide to Bees and Honey). 5) If you have any spare time, reading is quite a good idea. 6) Start with a swarm - here in the U.K. you can usually get a good one in the spring from an experienced beekeeper for the price of his petrol money. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys Article 9198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dncmccloud@aol.com (DncMcCloud) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Super Storage During Apistan Medication? Date: 5 Aug 1997 13:42:57 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19970805134201.JAA06316@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9198 I collected honey from my five colonies in early July and put the supers back on. Now that it is getting to be medication time, I was wondering what one does with the supers. They have already half way filled some of them. I would like to keep the medication out of them. How do you store the supers until the medication period for Apistan (45 days) is over? I do not have a refrigerator large enough for the 10 supers to be store in. All the colonies have 2 full of honey brood boxes, so winter honey supply is not critical. Article 9199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.tela.com!usenet From: Joseph W Walz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Educational Pricing Date: 5 Aug 1997 13:39:30 GMT Organization: Unique Software Corporation Lines: 21 Message-ID: <5s7aei$lv8@wolf.tela.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unique-216-40.unique-software.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9199 Please forgive me for this e-mail, but I felt I just had to let more people know about this and get in on the ground floor! Microsoft Educational Price Software Students and Faculty Members Only (ID or Fee Statement Req) Microsoft Office Pro 97 $179.95 Visual Basic 5.0 $99.00 Visual C++ $99.00 Visual Studio $229.00 Memory 16 MB 72-Pin $58 32 MB 72-Pin $139 Don't miss this opportunity, email me for more details. (webmaster@ unique-software.com) Thanks Article 9200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!not-for-mail From: moser@ils.unc.edu (Robin M. Shapiro) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help for beginner Date: 6 Aug 1997 02:58:30 GMT Organization: Information & Library Science, UNC-CH Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: <5s8p8m$l45$1@fddinewz.oit.unc.edu> References: <19970805041600.AAA02695@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ruby.ils.unc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9200 : writes : >hi everyone . thanks for taking the time to read this message. I am : >interested in starting up with bee keeping. Could someone please point me : >in the right direction to start. Are there any books or anything that you : >would recomend that are helpfull? any help will be appreciated. If you're in the USA, call your county's Agricultural Extension Office. The extension agents should be able to tell you about beekeepers' associations in your area, and should also have informaton on local conditions -- which plants are good nectar sources for your region, when your nectar flows occur, and maybe which local beekeepers would be willing to show you the ropes. Again, in the US, I like to read _Gleanings in Bee Culture_, which is a magazine with lots of articles and columns on all aspects of beekeeping. Best of luck! Robin Robin M. Shapiro | "Our memories are card-indexes consulted, | and then put back in disorder by moser@ils.unc.edu | authorities whom we do not control." | -- Cyril Connolly Article 9201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsrelay.netins.net!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: Drox Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Do You Can Honey? Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 19:16:37 -0500 Organization: Malfunction Junction Lines: 35 Message-ID: <33E7C264.FB2FB892@hotmail.com> References: <19970804034800.XAA27446@ladder02.news.aol.com> <33E6E699.B85@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-28-45.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9201 Adrian Kyte wrote: > EdnaS7 wrote: > > > > Please help me. In canning honey do you need to sterilize your jars > or can > > I use regular clean jars? > If you're planning on selling honey to others you can't be too > careful. > I ither run the jars through a hot cycle in a domestic dishwasher or > wash by hand in VERY HOT water. When I say VERY HOT water I mean so > hat > that you can't put your hand in it unless protected by a heavy > rubber/plastic glove. Not a bad idea. While cleanliness in food preparation (esp. when food is prepared for sale) is vital, one may keep in mind that honey is unlikely to spoil or become contaminated by microbes even if conditions are less than perfectly sterile. Being a supersaturated sugar solution, very few microbes can exist, much less thrive and multiply, in honey. High concentrations of sugar are used in preserving fruits and vegetables for this very reason, and you won't find a much higher concentration than what's in honey. -Drox BTW don't ever keep honey in a refrigerator or it will crystallize. You can reheat crystallized honey gently (in a microwave oven or over hot water - no direct heat) to get the crystals back into solution. If you do this promptly there's no problem, but if crystallized honey is left that way a long time it may spoil. With much of the sugar crystallized, the remaining liquid portion may not be sufficiently concentrated to inhibit the growth of bacteria. Article 9202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!easynet-uk!knews.uk0.vbc.net!vbcnet-gb!news.enta.net!not-for-mail From: "Richard Hill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK Writer seeks views Date: 6 Aug 1997 00:21:05 GMT Organization: NEWSplus... Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bca1fd$d20a00c0$8824cfc2@newsplus> NNTP-Posting-Host: warp7.47.enta.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9202 Hi. My name is Richard Hill. I'm a freelance writer and journalist in the UK. I am currently researching an article for an international apiculture magazine about apiculture resources on the internet. I would be delighted to hear from anyone who regularly uses this newsgroup, or any of the apiculture websites and resources available on the internet. Please e-mail me, and many thanks in anticipation. Kindest regards, Richard -- Richard Hill - Writer and Journalist NEWSplus... A member of the national Union of Journalists e-mail: richard@newsplus.enta.net URL: http://www.newsplus.enta.net Article 9203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33E7FC75.18F5@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 21:24:21 -0700 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Do You Can Honey? References: <19970804034800.XAA27446@ladder02.news.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.214.228 Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!129.37.214.228 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9203 EdnaS7 wrote: > > Please help me. In canning honey do you need to sterilize your jars or can > I use regular clean jars? > ednas7@aol.com I have always read that honey is anti microbial. Microbes cann't grow in it. We wash our jars in a dishwasher with the water at the hotest the heater will go. It is about 180. This is required to wash the working area and tools. The state inspector is satisfied that containers are washed in hot water and a little bleech for the containers that do not fit in the washer. There are a few books on canning with honey using honey as the preservative. I can't recall the titles but I saw them in a Scaramento, CA library. Best of luck Al Welk Article 9204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33E7FD38.5BB4@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 21:27:36 -0700 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Super Storage During Apistan Medication? References: <19970805134201.JAA06316@ladder02.news.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.214.228 Lines: 11 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!129.37.214.228 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9204 DncMcCloud wrote: > > I collected honey from my five colonies in early July and put the supers > back on. Now that it is getting to be medication time, I was wondering > what one does with the supers. They have already half way filled some of > them. I would like to keep the medication out of them. How do you store > the supers until the medication period for Apistan (45 days) is over? I > do not have a refrigerator large enough for the 10 supers to be store in. > All the colonies have 2 full of honey brood boxes, so winter honey supply > is not critical. I would hold off t Article 9205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do Bees "Crowd Out" Wasps? Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 21:37:07 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 54 Message-ID: <33E7D542.EEFE61B1@valley.net> References: <870716617.12777@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-137.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9205 humphrys@edc.org wrote: > I was wondering whether there's any evidence that having honeybees > reduces the local populations of less desirable insects, such as > wasps, yellow jackets, or hornets. This would be similar to > planting ground cover to "crowd out" weeds. > > If this is the case, suburban beekeepers might find it easier to > "sell" their neighbors on the benefits of keeping bees. > > Does anyone know if there is any research on this subject? > > Thanks in advance, > > Michael Humphrys > Wellesley, Mass, USA > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News > ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet greetings, don't know what the scientific evidence suggests, but my personal observation is that honeybees, bumblebees, wasps, yellow jackets and assorted other flying critters co-habit very nicely. i've seen all of them working the same trees on my property at the same time, and i have nests of just about all of the 'wild' versions relatively nearby, as well. the only time i've seen my honeybees take on wasps and yellow jackets is when they try to enter the hive [i've seen this twice so far this summer]. then, it's a real free-for-all as the honeybees swarm all over the invaders. 5 or 6 of them will take on a wasp, rolling around on the landing platform. every time the wasp [or yellow jacket] shakes them off and tries to escape, they just pile right back on. usually, the invaders end up dead; rarely do they manage to escape. the bees may take a casualty or two, but they never give up. i don't know how well they'd fare against a whole swarm of wasps [my guess is that they'd still kick butt], but when one or two try to take them on, the wasps invariably end up the losers. the shear determination of the honeybees just endears them to me all the more. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.147.154.58!HiWAAY.net!not-for-mail From: "Bobby R Fanning" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need bee removal contract ideas. Date: 6 Aug 1997 05:06:35 GMT Organization: Almer's Apiary Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bca225$efdda020$1e9393d0@K4VB.HiWAAY.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.147.147.30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9206 We have a young man (age 14) in our association who is getting in the business of removing bees from walls. He needs a copy of a contract / agreement to be signed by the beekeeper and the home owner. Anyone who can furnish copies of the one you use would be appreciated. Bob Fanning Madison County Beekeepers Association Huntsville, AL k4vb@hiwaay.net Article 9207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.147.154.58!HiWAAY.net!not-for-mail From: "Bobby R Fanning" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need bee removal contract ideas. Date: 6 Aug 1997 05:10:01 GMT Organization: Almer's Apiary Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bca226$6aa9c860$1e9393d0@K4VB.HiWAAY.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.147.147.30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9207 We have a young man (age 14) in our association who is getting in the business of removing bees from walls. He needs a copy of a contract / agreement to be signed by the beekeeper and the home owner. Anyone who can furnish copies of the one you use would be appreciated. Bob Fanning Madison County Beekeepers Association Huntsville, AL k4vb@hiwaay.net Article 9208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: chalkbrood mummies in pollen traps Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 05:45:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708052246272359@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 91 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9208 *Ripped off the BEE-List because you are interested? ---------------------------------------- SS>From: Stan Sandler >Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 01:06:26 -0300 >Subject: chalkbrood mummies in pollen traps Hello Stan, If you got it and want to pass it on collecting pollen from hives with chalk brood is 100% effective. It is possible to clean all the mummies out of the pollen but that pollen will still pass the disease on to any hives you feed it to. I was at one time a collector of bee pollen and packed it in 30# cans and sold it for $1.00 per pound to other beekeepers to feed bees. This was before chalk brood was common. I sold and gave much away to research institutions for medical and bee research. It was tested for all kinds of cures from growing hair on bald men, (it did not work), to its effects on brain cancers, (it would never work on beekeepers, but it also did not work on humans), in the end it was found to be a fair food for bees which was my first guess when I collected my first drawer full. As the business grew I soon was asked to supply the USDA Bee Research people, this was good, but I soon was signing all kinds of legal documents, such as I was a citizen, the pollen was produced by my bees in the US, I hired all who asked, and was not a current member of the boy scouts or any communist party. This was all OK but then the USDA went through its anal modernization and I was soon sending the pollen to one address, the bill to another, and from a third address would appear a check on the US Treasury with no identification, sometimes six months later. It got so bad that I to this day know I was not paid for one years shipments, and had to raise the price to $2 or $3 to make up for the extra work. The USDA decided that they could buy the pollen cheeper and did so, no big loss to me as I could sell all I could produce...heck I was selling it to the Arabs and Jews until one of their wars broke out. The problem was the USDA broke the laws or circumcised them by buying their bee feed pollen from outside of the United States, and got a good deal on pollen that was dried and ground up, including 15% by weight chalk brood mummies. This was not found out until the pollen was used by the majority of the USDA Bee Labs that were feeding bees, and much USDA research was then done on chalk brood after all their bees came done with it without any prompting by the bee industry. In all the years and tons of pollen I sold to others I never knowingly trapped or shipped any pollen from hives or with chalk brood mummies in it. I have seen what others were doing and have seen chalk brood mummies cleaned out of pollen by the five gallon buckets. (It is relished by chickens.) IMHO, anyone who feeds pollen from hives other then his own is taking a unnecessary risk as all these stories about pollen making diets more attractive are just that. If you want to make your bee diet more attractive to bees the easiest way is to increase the sugar. The more sugar the faster they will eat it. Sugar syrup alone will stimulate brood rearing but not sustain it without protein. Most beekeepers are more interested in increasing brood rearing and many times bees fed sugar syrup will collect pollen they would not have without the feed as pollen income alone will not stimulate brood rearing anytime or even the collection of it. The nectar is the key that starts the engine and the pollen sustains it. Food grade yeasts can substitute pollen if they are blended and made into a patty with sugar. The addition of TM will also increase brood rearing over just sugar syrup and should be added to all bee diets, syrup and protein. Invert sugar is better on the bees as they don't use themselves up inverting it. HFC syrup is better when it is cheeper because it is inverted and cheeper. Beekeepers should group together to buy sugar and stay away from sugar pimps as they will sell you junk sugar and you could trade your bees for a few cents savings. Small beekeepers can do everything that big beekeepers can by using fondant sugar (DRIVERT) and do not have to have access to fancy liquid sugars. Drivert can be used mixed 50 lbs to 100 lbs or more granulated sugar and the results will be an economical inverted sugar that can be fed dry, liquefied, or used in making patties. What was the question anyway? ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... When the bee-hive casts its swarm; --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... To sway its silent chimes, else must the bee, Article 9209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.147.154.58!HiWAAY.net!not-for-mail From: "Bobby R Fanning" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help for beginner Date: 6 Aug 1997 05:36:37 GMT Organization: Almer's Apiary Lines: 24 Message-ID: <01bca22a$21bea680$1e9393d0@K4VB.HiWAAY.net> References: <19970805041600.AAA02695@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.147.147.30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9209 Hi Travis, The best source of relay good information I have found is a video tape by Dr. Keith Deleplane of the University of Ga. It has 8 - 30 min programs that start with building equipment and ends with honey harvest and medication. It is called "A Year in The Life of an Apiary" cost $59. If you are interested, I will send you the address for UGA. Bob Fanning Huntsville, AL k4vb@hiwaay.net NOVA3000 wrote in article <19970805041600.AAA02695@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > hi everyone . thanks for taking the time to read this message. I am > interested in starting up with bee keeping. Could someone please point me > in the right direction to start. Are there any books or anything that you > would recomend that are helpfull? any help will be appreciated. > > > Thanks alot, > > Travis > Article 9210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:06:57 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 28 Message-ID: <33E83EB1.B06@nt.com> References: <01bca153$55626300$4f45b5cf@apapp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9210 Buzzd wrote: > > I'm new to beekeeping started this year learning the art from a master of > 30+yrs. Together we have 83 hives 22 nucs. We are in southern Alberta close > to Calgary, the hives are surrounded by canola. We just completed our first > extraction averageing 85 lbs per hive. The problem is some farmers decided > to spray their canola with something and the plane was flying all day > sunday and monday i didn't find out til monday. By the looks of things 2/3 > of our bees are dead. Who can i turn to, what can i do. Please send any > info to: > > apapp@ix.netcom.com > THANKS Peace Canola seems to be, or at least closely related to, what I know as oilseed rape. If this is the case the crop is usually spayed to kill a pollen weevil which reduces yield. Bee 'freindly' versions of the spray are available [here in the UK anyway] but are more expensive. I'm lucky in that the farm where I have my apiary only use bee 'freindly' sprays and tell me in advance when they will spray. In the UK you can claim compensation from the operator/owner if your bees are killed as a result of spraying and the farmer SHOULD inform beekeepers that he will be spraying. Don't know if anything similar applies where you are though. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: striker978@aol.com (Striker978) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what insect pollenates a hardshell gourd? Date: 7 Aug 1997 00:56:34 GMT Lines: 1 Message-ID: <19970807005600.UAA10039@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9211 What insect pollenates a hardshell gourd? Need A.S.A.P. Article 9212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!sympatico.ca!not-for-mail From: "David Kilburn" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Call to all apiarists, looking for machine to make smoke Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:44:48 -0400 Organization: Sympatico Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5sbcrc$h41$1@news2symp> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.203.220 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9212 I've got a terrible bat problem at my cottage (several hundred in the roof) and need something to get them out before I try to plug the many holes in the log cabin. I thought that the apparatus that bee-keepers use to make smoke would be just about perfect. Any thoughts on how to make such a gizmo easily would be most appreciated as would info on buying/renting such a smoker in the Montreal, Quebec area. Thanks in advance David david.kilburn@sympatico.ca Article 9213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rclynn@aol.com (RCLynn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NC Beekeeping Associations???? Date: 7 Aug 1997 12:16:43 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <19970807121601.IAA12954@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9213 Joseph North Carolina is full of beekeepers and associations. Raleigh is especially good because of the strong faculty at NC State. They have several experts in residence there headed by Dr. John Ambrose. Come on down you will love it. Randy > I am thinking of moving to NC in 1998---I hope, I hope, I hope. >I was wondering if there are any beekeeping associations in the >Raleigh/Durum area? thanks, Joseph > > Article 9214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!iagnet.net!robin.theramp.net!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Call to all apiarists, looking for machine to make smoke Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 08:45:33 +0000 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 28 Message-ID: <33E98B2D.27E2@Birkey.Com> References: <5sbcrc$h41$1@news2symp> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.Com NNTP-Posting-Host: nap-ip-137.theramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) To: David Kilburn Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9214 David Kilburn wrote: > > I've got a terrible bat problem at my cottage (several hundred in the roof) > and need something to get them out before I try to plug the many holes in > the log cabin. I thought that the apparatus that bee-keepers use to make > smoke would be just about perfect. Any thoughts on how to make such a gizmo > easily would be most appreciated as would info on buying/renting such a > smoker in the Montreal, Quebec area. > Thanks in advance > > David > david.kilburn@sympatico.ca David - For $20 US dollars, buy one! I can't see how one could make one and spend less than $20 of time in making it. Any beekeeping supplier will have them. Start by looking at: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/besuply.html for a list of suppliers. Regards -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com Article 9215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!zdc!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews1 From: tim@super.zippo.com (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vote on Best Beekeeping Book (was Re: Anyone Recomend a Good Beekeeping Book?) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 16:09:08 GMT Organization: none Lines: 13 Message-ID: <33e920c9.16731660@snews2.zippo.com> References: <33D4CADD.72CC@Eng.Sun.COM> <33DCEF35.590@nospam.East.Sun.COM> <5rn65g$mn0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9215 On 30 Jul 1997 10:48:16 GMT, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >In article , >Alyn W. Ashworth wrote: >and then everyone can point others to the file: "Best Beekeeping Book" > >Follow-up. >Look forward to your opinions. >Adam I vote for the "Well padded checkBOOK" :) tim Article 9216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!zdc!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews1 From: tim@super.zippo.com (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Empty Supers Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 16:09:10 GMT Organization: none Lines: 18 Message-ID: <33ef3925.22967992@snews2.zippo.com> References: <33E65A5B.ECAB414A@roanoke.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9216 On Mon, 04 Aug 1997 18:40:28 -0400, David Childers wrote: >I have had bees for a number of years and am thinking about buying a >small extractor for this years crop. After you have extracted the >honey, what do you do to store the supers? >Any advice would be greatly appreciated. >David First i let the bees clean up any leftovers. Then keep em dry. Seperate out the ones with brood comb as they will likly be hit with wax moth larva and its easier to inspect knowing which ones to look at when theres time. They should be stacked or stored in such a way that mice and critters dont make a total mess of the comb. Some prefer to stack em on end or side so as to be exposed to the light(not sun) as a hoped for deterant to wax moths, but screened aginst mice. I just stack em normal on wood palletes with fine screen top and bottom and plywood to keep the rain off. For just a few ,a garage or out building would be fine keeping them closed to the critters. As they will attract some bugs the house isnt a good place. Article 9217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!zdc!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews1 From: tim@super.zippo.com (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Okay, well! Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 16:09:09 GMT Organization: none Lines: 12 Message-ID: <33ea253d.17871757@snews2.zippo.com> References: <33E430BE.4F79@prostar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9217 On Sat, 02 Aug 1997 23:18:21 -0800, Dan Kiehnle wrote: >So, is everyone so busy extracting honey that they don't post here >anymore? Tell me what kind of flow is going on where you're at! Here in >Washington, we've got blackberry honey that's just about done, and soon >there may be a bonus crop once the hornets get into the plums and pears >and blackberries. > >Dan Oregon; got so dissapointed in the early flo and aidetracked by this computer junk that i havent been in the hives for 2 months. Likly be some.Verry likly be little as compaired to last 2 years. tim Article 9218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33EA5DED.147F@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 16:44:45 -0700 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do Bees "Crowd Out" Wasps? References: <870716617.12777@dejanews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.223.212 Lines: 23 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.223.212 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9218 humphrys@edc.org wrote: > > I was wondering whether there's any evidence that having honeybees > reduces the local populations of less desirable insects, such as > wasps, yellow jackets, or hornets. This would be similar to > planting ground cover to "crowd out" weeds. > > If this is the case, suburban beekeepers might find it easier to > "sell" their neighbors on the benefits of keeping bees. > > Does anyone know if there is any research on this subject? > > Thanks in advance, > > Michael Humphrys > Wellesley, Mass, USA > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet I don't think that other Flying insects care about the honey bees. WE had a very bad year last year with yellow jackets in one of the bee yards that I work. With 45 hives right there the Yellow jackets didn't care the least. Article 9219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: marnu@aol.com (Marnu) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beek