Article 22965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: IBRA Date: 2 Feb 2000 08:05:43 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <879a37$lgq$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22965 Did you know that this "beekeeping resource" is too "busy" to change my email address on their homepage? They also list beekeepers who have passed on. Interesting. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 22966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news4.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cluster not moving up Message-ID: <38982beb.149045875@news.usenetserver.com> References: <389785EC.132D3CCE@banet.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 20 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 08:04:33 EST Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 13:08:07 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22966 I too have noticed on a warm day (when you would open the hive anyway) the bees are all scattered in the upper brood box .. they may just be moving honey down??? If they have broken cluster, I don't think you need to work about where they are On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 20:18:36 -0500, hayfevr@banet.net wrote: >One of my colonies is not moving up due to a honey bound top deep brood >box and I'm wondering what the best course of action is. On the next >warm day I was thinking of uncapping the bottom portion of some center >frames. Will this make the top box available to them or risk the honey >dribbling down on them? It's winter here in Massachusetts but expecting >a warm up for this weekend. > >Thank you for any advice. > > > Article 22967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books on Bees Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 00:31:06 -0800 (PST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 10 Message-ID: <25490-389699CA-78@storefull-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQSQgPm/Tcpcz/AyiyyOD+NlMTw5QIUVDd7MuR91ssCC+aDi7vxqFddiA8= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22967 I started last year with HONEY BEES & BEEKEEPING A YEAR IN THE LIFE OF AN APIARY by Keith Delaplane ISBN: 0-9619031-1-2. There is a good video that goes with the book. This should be a good start. I also purchased THE HIVE AND THE HONEY BEE published by Dadant. ISBN: 0-915698-0-9. It is one of the main reference books for beekeepers. Very comprehensive, 1,324 pages. To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 22968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books on Bees Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 00:30:15 -0800 (PST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 10 Message-ID: <25490-38969997-77@storefull-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAkQgYJUzk8uYjsg1624bxcRLwujoCFQCNfZMAWV3L44bXxhB8uq0HhoL5rA== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22968 I started last year with HONEY BEES & BEEKEEPING A YEAR IN THE LIFE OF AN APIARY by Keith Delaplane ISBN: 0-9619031-1-2. There is a good video that goes with the book. This should be a good start. I also purchased THE HIVE AND THE HONEY BEE published by Dadant. ISBN: 0-915698-0-9. It is one of the main reference books for beekeepers. Very comprehensive, 1,324 pages. To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 22969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jerry Ameel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Michigan Beekeepers Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <0tWk4.3725$4f5.969109@tw12.nn.bcandid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.57.61.92 X-Trace: tw12.nn.bcandid.com 949236668 209.57.61.92 (Sun, 30 Jan 2000 05:51:08 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 05:51:08 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 12:51:08 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22969 If you are producing honey in Michigan, please contact me. We are forming an association for beekeepers in Michigan only. Or sign on to out list at: http://www.topica.com/lists/MHPA/prefs Thanks, Jerry Ameel webmaster@good-rich.com Article 22970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Prevention Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Feb 2000 18:31:56 GMT References: <8784go$bqb2$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000202133156.26982.00001250@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22970 Nope Same question every beginner asks Same question I asked couple years back It will clog with drones or a virgin queen will end up leaving with a swarm. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 22971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cluster not moving up Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Feb 2000 18:33:45 GMT References: <38982beb.149045875@news.usenetserver.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000202133345.26982.00001251@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22971 If it is warm enough to fool with your hive put an an empty drawn frame or two in the center of the top box. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 22972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paraffin Wax Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 21:34:42 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 44 Message-ID: <879soc$eeu$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <949373112.674071@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-170.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 949515852 14814 62.136.2.170 (2 Feb 2000 18:24:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Feb 2000 18:24:12 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22972 I used a galvanised water tank set on blocks in the garden, 2 cwt of wax, a good fire underneath (anthracite) and an old vacuum cleaner on blow to get the fire going (rather like a blacksmith's forge). Wax needs to be at about 310F - too cold and you simply coat the boxes in wax. At this temperature it is like frying chips. Give the boxes 1 minute the allow to drain. Water is expelled by the heat and the wax is totally absorbed leaving the boxes dry and looking as though they have not been treated - however water simply runs off them in droplets. No need to paint - I treated a couple of hundred boxes about 15 years ago and then are still like new. Good project for an association, as you can treat boxes at great speed once everything is set up. Wear thick rubber gloves to protect hands from splashes of hot wax. Have a lid for the tank to smother it if the wax catches fire - happened to me a couple of times but the flames simply flickered around the surface of the wax and were easily extinguished (I had fire extinguishers ready but they were OTT!) Neville Brook wrote in message news:949373112.674071@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > Hi Kevin, > In NZ most commercial beekeepers use paraffin wax to dip their hive boxes > in. It is the best way to preserve the boxes and really penetrate the wood. > The boxes are then painted immediately whilst the woodware is still hot. (I > hear they spray paint them). The woodware lasts and lasts. It is not > usually a method used by hobbiests as it requires the paraffin wax to be > heated to a high temperature and we hobbiests don't have the equipment to do > this. Unless of course you know someone! > Cheers > Liz > > > > Article 22973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news.csl-gmbh.net!news-DUS.ecrc.net!news-MUC.ecrc.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FW: Computers AND Apidictor Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:21:27 -0700 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 73 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "sci.ag.bee" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _S7vnF8xsBK7sg4efIF2Kfw= Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22973 From: Allen Dick [mailto:allend@internode.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 11:19 AM To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Subject: RE: Computers AND Apidictor Back to the wish list. Sound is interesting and has many possibilities, temperature sensing has its uses, bee egress & ingress counts can be valuable, but I think the main interest to me -- for day to day beekeeping -- would be an inexpensive and reasonably sensitive individual hive weight data stream accessible in real time at a remote location with interpreter software and an alarum system, possibly with voice synthesis and a phone dialer. Let me dream about what I could learn: * When a hive is approaching starvation * When and where there is a flow on and * Which individual hives are becoming honeybound * How soon a visit will be required * Which hives have ceased work and thus * Which hives need inspection, splitting, requeening, etc. * Which hive is likely to swarm * Which hive has just swarmed * How windy it is (rocking motion) at a location * Which hive just had its lid blow off * Which hive has a bear at work on it * Which yard has cattle or horses bothering the hives * Which hive is being robbed * When a yard of bees is being picked up for moving (Is it my guys or bee rustlers?) * When, how quickly, and how well my men are working * How many supers they removed and how many they replaced * When a skunk is bothering the hives * When a mouse is entering the hive? * What time of day the flow occurs * Whether working the hives is disrupting production * What concentration of nectar is coming in (night loss) * When my neighbouring beekeeper hops over the fence and looks to see why my hives are better than his In addition to receiving emergency calls on my cell phone from my computer reporting that someone was taking my hives away or that some hives were knocked over, I could routinely view several reports each morning: * Unusual Occurrences & Problems Detected * Previous Day's Work Accomplished c/w Schedule and other data * Unprofitable Yards * Proposed Day's Rounds (perhaps using critical and economic impact path analysis). * Work Required in the Next Week And on and on. All this comes from sensitive real time measurement of weight. The real time component of this data allows calculations of rates and deduction of a lot of important management benchmarks. Combined with hive numbering and perhaps bar code stickers on each hive, this system allows individual management of each hive. Hives that do not need attention can be passed by, and the problems dealt with. I would suggest that over 75% of the time and resources we now spend in hive management would be saved, and yet we would achieve better yields and colony health. Reporting and record keeping would be proactive, rather than reactive, and lead in time, rather than trail! allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: CBC Radio and honey bee navigation Sat. Feb. 5th Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:54:48 -0500 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: <87ag57$ij3$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.196 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22974 Hello: The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation's (CBC) programme Quirks and Quarks will have a discussion about" how honey bees find their way back home." http://www.radio.cbc.ca/programs/quirks/ The broadcast will be made on: Feb. 5th, 1209-1300 EST on CBC Radio One 99.1 FM. It will also be available in real-time, just go to the above website. Keith Grimsby, Ontario Article 22975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: When to requeen Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <949553654.52408@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-84-131.ipn11.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 17:49:17 +1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 949553326 203.96.152.26 (Thu, 03 Feb 2000 17:48:46 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 17:48:46 NZDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22975 Hi, I am a new beekeeper and I'd be interested in hearing views on the pros and cons of requeening in spring or autumn. I purchased a nuc in October with a new queen. I have a swarm that I picked up in early November - small - but doing extremely well. I also have an established hive. I'd appreciate any feedback. Cheers Liz Brook Article 22976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Computers AND Apidictor Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 04:49:14 -0700 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 72 Message-ID: References: <200002021829.NAA10434@listserv.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "BEE-L" , "sci.ag.bee" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <200002021829.NAA10434@listserv.albany.edu> Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6yCt8UtRboD+ufVW2knlZsB?= Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22976 I received this note, and since I suspect the topic is of general interest, I am sending a copy of my response to the list. (referring to the wireless, remote reading, computerised hive weight monitoring system) > I presume a one-off of these would be rather expensive. If (a developer) > manages to get it right what do you think are the market possibilities? Simply put, and not to exaggerate, I think that such a system would immediately become a necessity for most commercial beekeepers in developed countries. I spend over $100,000 (US funds) annually for fuel and labour. If the savings in fuel and labour were 10% -- a very low estimate, I believe -- that is $US10,000 a year and $US3.33 per bee hive. If the savings were 25%, which is not unrealistic IMO, then that is $US8.33/hive/year, or $US333 per yard of 40 hives per year. Splitting that in some ratio between the beekeeper and the service would make both quite happy, I would think. Add to the above savings the increased income that comes from knowing what areas are paying off and which are not, the savings in insurance and losses from having real time theft monitoring (and tracking), the ability to monitor disease and queen performance on a hive-by-hive basis and we are talking a real income improvement for beekeepers using the system. After all, in business, the net profit is only a small fraction of gross receipts. Even a 10% improvement in revenue vs. expense can double the money in the pocket of the owner at the end of the year. Moreover the fact that, using the system we envision, hive visits can be managed according to measured need, not guesses. This can eliminate many wasted days and, allow more leisure time or time to deal with other matters. Such a system could be sold outright, but should -- IMO -- preferably be sold as an ongoing service with wireless connections, maintenance, software, and regular hardware and software upgrades included. The beekeeper would be responsible for all the field installations and report design (non-programming), the supplier for all the rest. Such a system would have to be entirely wireless, rugged as a hockey puck, and probably solar powered. If individual transducers were used, they would have to be indestructible, wireless and non-obtrusive. Maybe they could be in little rubber chunks that somehow go under a hive or the corner of a pallet and are polled by a wireless monitor/repeater in each yard. Alternately -- and preferably, perhaps -- a rotating laser head in each yard could monitor tiny changes in the height of a black mark on each hive and deduce compression of the hive base spring component, and then calculate weight changes, assuming there were some sort of compliant, yet resilient hive base component placed somehow under each hive. In this latter method, rain would cause swelling of wood and settling of earth under hives. This would affect the readings, but software should be able to filter such effects out, especially if an empty reference hive were used. We must remember that the data we require is all *relative* and more or less a continuous in time, not absolute single observations; therefore calibration is not very important, but consistency between transducers is. Absolutes might be inferred, but are not the goal. Simply put, we are watching weight *changes* in time and deducing meaningful events from the patterns that arise when such changes are expressed as rates and compared to other simultaneous data and defined historical events. We are _not_ trying to say what each hive weight actually is at any given moment. Empirical data could conceivably be acquired by conventional methods and used for calibration periodically if absolute values are desired, but I am not very interested in this aspect and suspect that it would be tougher to get right. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQdQ!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeystix Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 09:19:24 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38998E6C.3434C09E@fuse.net> References: <20000203024842.14139.00000880@ng-fb1.aol.com> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22977 Hey BeeMan, Kevin, did you hear about the tobacco quota cut. We heard yesterday, I think about a 40% cut. To all else: we now have an abundance of tobacco sticks! Judy in Kentucky Hk1BeeMan wrote: > >I'm wanting to package my honey in "honeystix". Does anyone know where > >to get the tubing, packing equipment, etc? > > > > they's a add in bee culture for a company that'll do this fer ya > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!qichina.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Godfrey Bartlett Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is there a FAQ? Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 17:15:34 +0000 Message-ID: <3899B7B6.17800DA0@qichina.demon.co.uk> References: <3882AE12.96455CF0@flyingpig.net> <85vlsp$jup$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: qichina.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: qichina.demon.co.uk:194.222.176.192 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 949598159 nnrp-13:27885 NO-IDENT qichina.demon.co.uk:194.222.176.192 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22978 People have asked for a FAQ many times before, and generally the answer seems to be there isn't one for this usenet group specifically. However, Graham and Annie Law, Beekeepers from Leicestershire UK have published a superb beginners FAQ, and the latest version can be found at http://www.gandboss.demon.co.uk/ Godfrey http://www.qichina.demon.co.uk/EBKA/ ----------------------------------- Allen Dick wrote: > > > Hey I'm new to beekeeping and I'd like to know if this list produces a > > FAQ, and where I might find it. Thanks. Article 22979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "dm" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: African Honey Bee Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <_Pjm4.7060$d61.218096@news6.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 12:31:22 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-vMnCVUnU+vzddoHXlyPQcqRlqAU4G5WPEteFFfGZtcxuWM0M0IpsXsbo7lJZXs+C3f+ZXJheiUJaR75!JJVaHFHmXy6yCPBbV4fFeyuTl0Nb X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 10:33:26 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22979 Here in Washington State "we" are thinking that the moderate coastal weather will permit AHB to move all the way up here, and perhaps into the desert (yes, DESERT) of British Columbia, Canada. The last "formal" info I saw was that the AHB was above Los Angeles. A lot of us here buy packages from bee outfits in North-Central California. Needless to say, I wonder how much longer that will be safe? There is a Queen Breeder in Hawaii who can send you queens year 'round right now...for a price. I'll bet HE is beginning to grin from ear to ear! If Kona Bees were a public company, I'd sure buy shares. Anybody know anything???? Hopefully First Hand.... "DM" Article 22980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cluster not moving up Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 00:52:39 -0800 (PST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8806-3897F057-4@storefull-101.private.bryant.webtv.net> References: <53Nl4.1991$Vy.189322@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQyoAm6b2pLI8tg6TScP0eF/09h6wIUEuvCbnA2z+T5LlE+oTgCoiAg3Ek= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22980 In Jan 2000 Bee Culture pp. 13 & 46 Clarence Collison states that a colony may starve if the upper chamber is honey-bound "since the cluster often fails to move up and remains in the lower chamber(s). In this case the lack of open cells in the upper hive body prevents the cluster from moving." He doesn't give a specific method for solving the problem. I would replace one frame near the middle with a frame of comb or foundation if you did not have empty comb. To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 22981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news4.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books on Bees Message-ID: <38982925.148335546@news.usenetserver.com> References: <877tev$bkj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 29 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 08:02:27 EST Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 13:06:02 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22981 I also enjoy books on bees and beekeeping and have come up with a "classic" list. I would welcome other suggestions. The books are in no order The Hive and the Honey Bee" Dadant & Sons Scientfic American's Bees - Gould ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture A. I. Root & company Bees and Beekeeping - Eva Crane In search of the best - Brother Adam Beekeeping at Buckfast Abby- Brother Adam The Joys of Beekeeping - Richard Taylor The Dancing Bees - Fritch Hive and Honey Bee - Langstroth .. precursor to above Mysteries of Beekeeping - Quimby Natural History - Huber Honeymakers - Mosley Queen Rearing - Doolittle North American Honey Plants - Pellet Queen Rearing - Laidlaw The life of the HoneyBee - Maeterlink Treatise on Bees - Wildman <-- I'm actually looking for this one Femine Monarch - Charles Butler My Bee Book - Rev Cotton <-- I'm looking for this one as well The Management of Bees - William White West Hag Brown Berke - Job Lonsley <-- looking for this one too Bees - Gedde History of American Beekeeping - Frank Pellets The Biology of the Honeybee - Winston Article 22982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: spring mite treatment Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 20:18:59 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <87cnrf$r1f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <87bid7$l2i$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.83.121 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Feb 03 20:18:59 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.222.83.121 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22982 In article <87bid7$l2i$1@einstein.greenhills.net>, "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote: > Hello bee keeps, > I live in Missouri, and am wondering, in what month in the spring should i > put in my aspitan strips in. > thanks in advance > preacher > > Dennis, from what I've been told, you want to install the Apistan strips a month or more before you expect to harvest any surplus honey from your hive/s. If you normally get honey in late June or early July, you might want to place the Apistan strips in your hive in late April or early May. An old-time beekeeper here in Maine told me that you want a full month or so for the Fluvalinate (Apistan) medication to work in the hive but, NOT end up contaminating your honey harvest. Others may disagree, but, this is the rule-of-thumb that I go by. You also want to make sure that it is warm enough outside for you to be able to open the hives without breaking up the cluster and chilling the bees. Good Luck. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!skynet.be!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: steven@newport47.fsnet.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What sort o bees bee these? Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 22:02:17 GMT Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <3899fa3b.3629482@news.freeserve.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-5.pearl-scale-butterfly.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 949615628 4438 62.137.48.5 (3 Feb 2000 22:07:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Feb 2000 22:07:08 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22983 Sorry about that. I have meant to ask this question several times but kept forgetting. During the late summer, in my garden, I noticed two bees that struck me as unusual. They apeared to spend the evening hidden in a gap in the door of my shed, every evening (that Ilooked) for quite some time. They looked like normal honey bees (size/shape) but they had a very light coloured but thick down on their backs which was almost ginger in colour. I wondered if they were some type of bumble bee? Thanks Article 22984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cluster not moving up Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 23:09:31 +0100 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 21 Message-ID: <87cuf6$fo96@news.vtx.ch> References: <389785EC.132D3CCE@banet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-6-p11.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22984 My advice is less intervention. I have 4 hives that do well and bring in plenty of honey. I mostly leave them alone - interfering little, just treating varroa and requeening and that's it. Bees have gotten on very well for millions of years without humans uncapping, cutting etc. So just relax and let them live for Christ's sake. a écrit dans le message : 389785EC.132D3CCE@banet.net... > One of my colonies is not moving up due to a honey bound top deep brood > box and I'm wondering what the best course of action is. On the next > warm day I was thinking of uncapping the bottom portion of some center > frames. Will this make the top box available to them or risk the honey > dribbling down on them? It's winter here in Massachusetts but expecting > a warm up for this weekend. > > Thank you for any advice. > > > Article 22985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is there a FAQ? Date: 3 Feb 2000 17:59:54 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <87d19a$dh1$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <3882AE12.96455CF0@flyingpig.net> <85vlsp$jup$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3899B7B6.17800DA0@qichina.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22985 In article <3899B7B6.17800DA0@qichina.demon.co.uk>, Godfrey Bartlett wrote: >People have asked for a FAQ many times before, and generally the >answer seems to be there isn't one for this usenet group specifically. Since the subject is beekeeping it's really hard to make a FAQ that spans the readership of this newsgroup and the whole internet. Specialized FAQs for different topics in beekeeping, bee-culture and hive products have always been encouraged, and a few authors have produced nice work! As always, There's lots of disk space available at metalab.unc.edu to archive any FAQs anyone cares to write--just email me to arrange storage and how you want the FAQ presented. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 22986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!news.freedom2surf.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test post Message-ID: <949622619@zbee.com> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 00:03:39 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 949622886 28170 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22986 test post --- STEVEN TURNER Beenet UK Host. http://www.kentbee.com/ Email: st@zbee.com ... Platinum Xpress, Wildcat 5, Mailtraq......What else! Article 22987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bee lava Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 17:37:40 +0000 Message-ID: References: <873v1v$dn0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 949617939 nnrp-06:15038 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 26 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22987 In article <873v1v$dn0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, mbarton15653@my-deja.com writes >Usual odd worker >corpse around entrance but also a couple of white bee lava (I would >estimate at about 7-10 days old) that had been chucked out of the hive. >Is this normal or do I start panicking?! Could you explain your estimate of 7-10 days as a larva? Apart from thinking everything is normal in beekeeping I wonder if you detect any varroa on the "larva"? If so, you may have a prize strain, which detects and removes larvae with varroa on it. Call in a member of your local association who has looked into this kind of thing. Otherwise in nature nothing is 100 percent and hygienic bees are just doing their work. I would not worry about 2. The other thing is that January is often the time when queens restart to lay and if the nest gets too big and there is a cold snap, the cluster contracts and may leave larvae to die, in order to preserve the colony as a whole. On the next fine day, off go the undertakers. However, this is most unusual as patches of brood are normally small and well within the cluster. April, yes. For what it is worth. Any other opinions out there? -- James Kilty Article 22988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!iol.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <389A216A.26670445@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cluster not moving up References: <389785EC.132D3CCE@banet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 44 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 19:46:42 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 949624827 24.92.236.148 (Thu, 03 Feb 2000 19:40:27 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 19:40:27 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22988 No, no, no. Just leave them alone! A low cluster is a good sign this time of year. A nice full chamber of honey above the cluster is JUST what you want. That is excellent. They are very well provisioned. Even if it does warm up this weekend, the bees are much better left without any disturbance to the winter cluster. During the warm spell, the bees will adjust the position of the cluster and tank up on honey, so they will be fine shape when the temperatures start falling back down. The only reason you'd want to disturb them is if the cluster didn't have contact with honey stores. Sounds like they are in primo condition, so just let it go at that. Unapping the combs like that is just going to result in riling up the cluster, dripping honey, and a whole lot of undue stress. Over the next couple months they will start eating away the honey in the upper chamber, emptying the cells as the go, and repositioning the cluster on the lower part of the (upper) combs. With such a good supply of food available, they should really take off when brood production gets underway. They will probably not need any feeding come Spring. The bees aren't going to be in any trouble with the hive as it is. (Unless the cluster is abnormally small, due to other problems that were already present -- mites or other disease.) Just having full combs of honey above them is _not_ going to cause their doom. JG nr. Ithaca (formerly Middlesex Cty., MA) replies: jwgbee@hotmail.com hayfevr@banet.net wrote: > One of my colonies is not moving up due to a honey bound top deep brood > box and I'm wondering what the best course of action is. On the next > warm day I was thinking of uncapping the bottom portion of some center > frames. Will this make the top box available to them or risk the honey > dribbling down on them? It's winter here in Massachusetts but expecting > a warm up for this weekend. > > Thank you for any advice. Article 22989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: spring mite treatment Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 23:51:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <87d49f$45u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <87bid7$l2i$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.74 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Feb 03 23:51:12 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.74 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22989 > "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote: > in what month in the spring >should i put in my aspitan strips in. > preacher ************************************************ Howdy Dennis -- You have good advice as to avoiding possible contamination of the Honey. Another factor is that the Apistan will be most effective when there is a small amount of brood. Now before the population explosion might be a good time to start. I will put in strips as soon as I can catch the bees flying freely -- and when I can find the time. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeystix Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Feb 2000 02:35:15 GMT References: <38998E6C.3434C09E@fuse.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000203213515.23287.00000722@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22990 >evin, did you hear about the tobacco quota cut. We heard yesterday, I >think about a 40% cut. > >To all else: we now have an abundance of tobacco sticks! > >Judy in Kentucky > yeah still cryin..... Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQdQ!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: ddempsey@tco.net (Dan Dempsey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: African Honey Bee Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 04:42:08 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <389a5802.5797244@news.tco.net> References: <_Pjm4.7060$d61.218096@news6.giganews.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22991 On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 10:33:26 -0800, "dm" wrote: >Here in Washington State "we" are thinking that the moderate coastal >weather will permit AHB to move all the way up here, and perhaps into the >desert (yes, DESERT) of British Columbia, Canada. The last "formal" >info I saw was that the AHB was above Los Angeles. >A lot of us here buy packages from bee outfits in North-Central >California. Needless to say, I wonder how much longer that will be safe? >There is a Queen Breeder in Hawaii who can send you queens year 'round >right now...for a price. I'll bet HE is beginning to grin from ear to >ear! If Kona Bees were a public company, I'd sure buy shares. > >Anybody know anything???? Hopefully First Hand.... "DM" At the head of the Sacrameto Valley (Red Bluff) I haven't heard of anything around here. Dan Article 22992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: essexbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ...resistant varroa Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 19:09:04 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <879vca$run$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38925A96.1860@ix.netcom.com> <86veas$1iu$1@news1.Radix.Net> <86vu87$sqd$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <8704i4$atn$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 163.153.166.108 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Feb 02 19:00:23 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 163.153.166.108 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22992 the formulations of essential oils sounds promising. would it be acceptable to use thymol crystals in the formulation and using only 100g of thymol, how many hives will this treat? Is the effectiveness temperature dependent? Thanks for the feedback Tim > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!akk.uni-karlsruhe.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!not-for-mail From: "comp.robotics.misc" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,bionet.agroforestry,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,uk.business.agriculture Subject: Harvesting process and stripper design Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:41:40 +0100 Organization: University of Karlsruhe Lines: 11 Message-ID: <87f30l$r4i$1@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: i60p27.ira.uka.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de 949686101 27794 129.13.7.67 X-Complaints-To: usenet@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.agriculture:4177 alt.agriculture.beef:2163 alt.agriculture.fruit:9838 alt.agriculture.misc:11681 bionet.agroforestry:14926 sci.agriculture:40328 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22993 Hello. Just take a look for pages: http://www.belsonet.net/harvester/index.htm http://www.belarus.net/PAG/Www/Default.htm Contacts in "Proposal to partners" Thanks. Article 22994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,bionet.agroforestry,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,uk.business.agriculture Subject: Re: Harvesting process and stripper design Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:26:47 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 33 Message-ID: <87f8qk$9u$1@soap.pipex.net> References: <87f30l$r4i$1@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 71-154-fol.intensive.co.uk X-Trace: soap.pipex.net 949692052 318 194.93.154.71 (4 Feb 2000 19:20:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Feb 2000 19:20:52 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.agriculture:4179 alt.agriculture.beef:2166 alt.agriculture.fruit:9840 alt.agriculture.misc:11683 bionet.agroforestry:14927 sci.agriculture:40343 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22994 I think the whole stripper header development in UK, involving Shelbourne Renolds was a fiasco. They were determined to retain the combine, and stick it on the front. I always thought that it should have been a simple machine, trailed by a tractor, like a forager, blowing the stripped material into a trailer. Then the drum and cleaner etc. could have been fitted into the grainstore / dryer building, where the guts of an old combine could probably have been utilised. As well as the grain, the dry flag leaf is also stripped, and this represents most of the feed value of the straw, and this can be separated. Of course barn equipment will depreciate a lot slower that mobile plant. I don't know who you are, or what your legal position with previous developers of the system is, but I for one will watch with interest! Best Regards David. comp.robotics.misc wrote in message news:87f30l$r4i$1@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de... > Hello. > > Just take a look for pages: > http://www.belsonet.net/harvester/index.htm > http://www.belarus.net/PAG/Www/Default.htm > > Contacts in "Proposal to partners" > Thanks. > > > Article 22995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <389B2CF0.C4850BB1@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,bionet.agroforestry,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,uk.business.agriculture Subject: Re: Harvesting process and stripper design References: <87f30l$r4i$1@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> <87f8qk$9u$1@soap.pipex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 19:49:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp40.ts2-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:49:38 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.agriculture:4180 alt.agriculture.beef:2167 alt.agriculture.fruit:9841 alt.agriculture.misc:11684 bionet.agroforestry:14928 sci.agriculture:40344 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22995 Quit cross posting this to alt.agriculture.beekeeping . We don't use tractors to harvest. Thom's Honeybees David wrote: > > I think the whole stripper header development in UK, involving Shelbourne > Renolds was a fiasco. They were determined to retain the combine, and stick > it on the front. I always thought that it should have been a simple > machine, trailed by a tractor, like a forager, blowing the stripped > material into a trailer. Then the drum and cleaner etc. could have been > fitted into the grainstore / dryer building, where the guts of an old > combine could probably have been utilised. As well as the grain, the dry > flag leaf is also stripped, and this represents most of the feed value of > the straw, and this can be separated. Of course barn equipment will > depreciate a lot slower that mobile plant. I don't know who you are, or > what your legal position with previous developers of the system is, but I > for one will watch with interest! > > Best Regards David. > > comp.robotics.misc wrote in message > news:87f30l$r4i$1@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de... > > Hello. > > > > Just take a look for pages: > > http://www.belsonet.net/harvester/index.htm > > http://www.belarus.net/PAG/Www/Default.htm > > > > Contacts in "Proposal to partners" > > Thanks. > > > > > > Article 22996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news1.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <389B60F1.7660DE04@bellsouth.net> From: Michael Franklin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Breeders in SE FL Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3C3B764E3ACACABF3D869CE7" Lines: 38 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 18:29:56 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.77.215.38 X-Trace: news1.mia 949707006 216.77.215.38 (Fri, 04 Feb 2000 18:30:06 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 18:30:06 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22996 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3C3B764E3ACACABF3D869CE7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've called 5 breeders in FL. 3 have gone out of business and 2 haven't returned my calls. I'm looking for a package or nuc of italians from a local breeder. If anyone can recommend someone, I'd appreciate it. At this point, I'd even order from someone not local if anyone has one they really like. Thanks a lot. Michael Franklin --------------3C3B764E3ACACABF3D869CE7 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="msfx.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Michael Franklin Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="msfx.vcf" begin:vcard n:Franklin;Michael tel;cell:(954) 829-9705 tel;home:(954) 567-1705 x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;117 NE 21st Court;Wilton Manors;FL;33305; version:2.1 email;internet:msfx@bellsouth.net x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Michael Franklin end:vcard --------------3C3B764E3ACACABF3D869CE7-- Article 22997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeystix Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Feb 2000 07:48:42 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000203024842.14139.00000880@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22997 >I'm wanting to package my honey in "honeystix". Does anyone know where >to get the tubing, packing equipment, etc? > they's a add in bee culture for a company that'll do this fer ya Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: spring mite treatment Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 03:38:17 -0600 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 7 Message-ID: <87bid7$l2i$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-141.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 949570791 21586 208.232.214.141 (3 Feb 2000 09:39:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Feb 2000 09:39:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22998 Hello bee keeps, I live in Missouri, and am wondering, in what month in the spring should i put in my aspitan strips in. thanks in advance preacher Article 22999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQdQ!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: spring mite treatment Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 09:16:45 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38998DCD.3F890205@fuse.net> References: <87bid7$l2i$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22999 Hello preacher! When do you get your first honey flow? Do you get any early honey, such as honeysuckle, or locust? Here in Kentucky, this flow usually starts around the beginning of April or the middle of April. Count back your 42 days from whenever it starts, add a week or two, and you've got your "on" date. We usually put the Apistan on mid February and remove the end of March. That way we have two weeks to get the supers aired out and on. Judy in Kentucky Dennis Crutchfield wrote: > Hello bee keeps, > I live in Missouri, and am wondering, in what month in the spring should i > put in my aspitan strips in. > thanks in advance > preacher Article 23000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian Bees Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Feb 2000 01:22:30 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000204202230.23220.00003208@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23000 Glenn Apiaries member.aol.com/queenb95/web/home OR 760-728-3731 They are in Fallbrook CA Laura Article 23001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Haiku---------Bless You Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Feb 2000 01:23:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000204202342.23220.00003209@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23001 Mild February bees flying today Life is good Article 23002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: "Ed" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Russian Bees Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 00:11:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.129.144 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 949709511 216.80.129.144 (Fri, 04 Feb 2000 19:11:51 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 19:11:51 EST Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23002 Are there any suppliers of Russian Bees yet? How resistant to the Varroa are they? -- Ed Greenwell ceengr@usit.net helpachestnut@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/1436/ http://www.angelfire.com/tn/americanchestnut/ Article 23003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drivy19@aol.com (Drivy19) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need some advice from the pros on how to begin Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Feb 2000 04:09:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000204230954.00857.00000390@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23003 Hi everyone :) Thanks to everyone, or anyone, who responds. I will be beginning my beekeeping this spring for the first time. But after doing some basic research, I know I am way out of my league. Many sellers of start up kits seem to offer different things. Does anybody have a recommendation on a good start up kit which including the necessary tools to collect the honey? I see there are two basic start up kits. One with only to get the colony going, the other to allow you to actually make and collect the honey. I want the one able to produce and collect honey. Any good companies to recommend? Trustworthy? And what supplies do you pros feel are absolutely necessary for a newbie? Should I worry about disease in a brand new hive? Thank you so much for answering! I looked back in the newsgroup and couldn't find any answers to these..Not that I would understand anyway ;) ~~~Sparrow Article 23004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: "Ed" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000204202230.23220.00003208@ng-ch1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Russian Bees Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 04:35:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.176.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 949725356 216.80.176.8 (Fri, 04 Feb 2000 23:35:56 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 23:35:56 EST Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23004 Thanks very much! Ed -- Ed Greenwell ceengr@usit.net helpachestnut@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/1436/ http://www.angelfire.com/tn/americanchestnut/ LauraMLeek wrote in message news:20000204202230.23220.00003208@ng-ch1.aol.com... > Glenn Apiaries > member.aol.com/queenb95/web/home > OR > 760-728-3731 > They are in Fallbrook CA > > Laura Article 23005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What do you think Honeybs Date: 5 Feb 2000 08:47:39 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <87h9lr$ist$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <389BE229.FB487EC0@crosslink.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23005 In article <389BE229.FB487EC0@crosslink.net>, L.E.G. wrote: >Hello Greg, >I addressed this to you 'cause you keep talking about Maveric for >control of varroa,but what does your info tell you of the Checkmite >strips.Expensive , I know but what are some of the other pro's and >con's.I used them last fall "after " the apistan and still got a 25 >count on stickyboard. > Hummm using a miticide not registerd for honey bees? Probablly shouldn't post this where the WHOLE WORLD can read it. :) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 23006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian Bees Date: 5 Feb 2000 07:43:41 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <87h5tt$ee2$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23006 In article , Ed wrote: >Are there any suppliers of Russian Bees yet? How resistant to the Varroa >are they? Hi. It's fascinating to see this post about Russian bees. I'm using some Russian stock I received from USDA at Baton Rouge. I've had it for almost one year. I won't be able to test it for much varroa tolerance yet. Beware anyone advertising "varroa resistance". Keep up on the trade journals and what's posted here and on bee-l. Breeding takes time. :) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 23007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <389BE229.FB487EC0@crosslink.net> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 08:41:13 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What do you think Honeybs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn55.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 949757600 26265 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23007 Hello Greg, I addressed this to you 'cause you keep talking about Maveric for control of varroa,but what does your info tell you of the Checkmite strips.Expensive , I know but what are some of the other pro's and con's.I used them last fall "after " the apistan and still got a 25 count on stickyboard. Article 23008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news1.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <389C4E13.57CD311B@bellsouth.net> From: Michael Franklin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Breeders in SE FL References: <389B60F1.7660DE04@bellsouth.net> <87h5lb$do4$1@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------409E3196EB9B7B9E55DB4558" Lines: 46 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 11:21:40 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.77.215.18 X-Trace: news1.mia 949767710 216.77.215.18 (Sat, 05 Feb 2000 11:21:50 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 11:21:50 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23008 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------409E3196EB9B7B9E55DB4558 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the Ft. Lauderdale area. I was hoping there'd be someone in the tri-county area or reasonable driving distance. Thanks for any help. Michael Adam Finkelstein wrote: > > Hi. > Where are you? > > Adam > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@radix.net > http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf --------------409E3196EB9B7B9E55DB4558 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="msfx.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Michael Franklin Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="msfx.vcf" begin:vcard n:Franklin;Michael tel;cell:(954) 829-9705 tel;home:(954) 567-1705 x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;117 NE 21st Court;Wilton Manors;FL;33305; version:2.1 email;internet:msfx@bellsouth.net x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Michael Franklin end:vcard --------------409E3196EB9B7B9E55DB4558-- Article 23009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!proxad.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need some advice from the pros on how to begin Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:55:33 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 99 Message-ID: <87hlrt$o3e$1@front5m.grolier.fr> References: <20000204230954.00857.00000390@ng-fi1.aol.com> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-37-242.wmar.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front5m.grolier.fr 949770941 24686 213.44.37.242 (5 Feb 2000 17:15:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Feb 2000 17:15:41 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23009 Hi beekeeper friends, I feel the most important recommendation would be to ACQUIRE A MINIMUM PRACTICE OF BEEKEEPING and later on start with your own material. As it is a FAQ from all newbees ;-) let me post hereafter a copy of answers to Jim Murray sent by P. Mizen and myself on 01/18/99. I hope they will be of good advice to you. Regards JC Treyvaud ""Jim, I started bee-keeping some years ago, just for fun. As I am of technical formation I red plenty of books about bee-keeping, and I can say that if it's true you can learn much from books, it's also quite risky. Experience of how to deal with bees is a MUST. You should find an experienced bee-keeper in your neighbourhood and spend time working with him for at least one season to learn by handling yourself real bees. Instead I am afraid you are going to a disaster. Regards Jean-Claude Treyvaud a french beekeeper Jim I agree with Jean-Claude's reply, i.e. find a local beekeeper to show you the ropes. By doing this for a season you will experience the highs and the lows - which is important. When you go it alone it must be with your eyes wide open. It will be great fun, and usually very rewarding - good luck, keep us updated on your progress. For a list of beekeeping contacts you should try your local library. From there should find details of either individuals or beekeeping groups. You can also contact your national beekeeping association - which country are you in? When you have made contact with some like-minded people, they will point you in the direction of equipment and bee suppliers. Regards Philip Mizen Jim Murray wrote<36A27EB6.58716DE@albany.net>... >Hi, > >I've decided to get into Beekeeping as a family activity and would like >to begin small. I have a great book on beekeeping and have done some >extensive reading on the Internet as well. It looks like a lot of fun >and could be a big benefit to our veggie garden as well. > >Can someone tell me a good place to buy a starter kit? I've found >several web sites that sell such kits, but being a beginner, I don't >know what's a good deal or not. How much should I spend, what SHOULD the >kit include for a beginner, where do I get the bees from????? > >Any, and all help will be gladly accepted. Thank you! > >Jim Murray > -- apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ Drivy19 a écrit dans le message : 20000204230954.00857.00000390@ng-fi1.aol.com... > Hi everyone :) Thanks to everyone, or anyone, who responds. I will be > beginning my beekeeping this spring for the first time. But after doing some > basic research, I know I am way out of my league. Many sellers of start up kits > seem to offer different things. Does anybody have a recommendation on a good > start up kit which including the necessary tools to collect the honey? I see > there are two basic start up kits. One with only to get the colony going, the > other to allow you to actually make and collect the honey. I want the one able > to produce and collect honey. Any good companies to recommend? Trustworthy? And > what supplies do you pros feel are absolutely necessary for a newbie? Should I > worry about disease in a brand new hive? Thank you so much for answering! I > looked back in the newsgroup and couldn't find any answers to these..Not that I > would understand anyway ;) ~~~Sparrow Article 23010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news4.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: spring mite treatment Message-ID: <3899ea36.263296046@news.usenetserver.com> References: <87bid7$l2i$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <87cnrf$r1f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 36 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 15:48:32 EST Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 20:52:07 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23010 That should be 42 days before you put the supers on .. not before you harvest .. sure you just mis-typed Dave On Thu, 03 Feb 2000 20:18:59 GMT, paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com wrote: >In article <87bid7$l2i$1@einstein.greenhills.net>, > "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote: >> Hello bee keeps, >> I live in Missouri, and am wondering, in what month in the spring >should i >> put in my aspitan strips in. >> thanks in advance >> preacher >> >> > > Dennis, from what I've been told, you want to install the Apistan >strips a month or more before you expect to harvest any surplus honey >from your hive/s. If you normally get honey in late June or early July, >you might want to place the Apistan strips in your hive in late April >or early May. An old-time beekeeper here in Maine told me that you want >a full month or so for the Fluvalinate (Apistan) medication to work in >the hive but, NOT end up contaminating your honey harvest. Others may >disagree, but, this is the rule-of-thumb that I go by. > >You also want to make sure that it is warm enough outside for you to be >able to open the hives without breaking up the cluster and chilling the >bees. > >Good Luck. > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 23011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need some advice from the pros on how to begin Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Feb 2000 17:53:19 GMT References: <20000204230954.00857.00000390@ng-fi1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000205125319.25672.00001665@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23011 I started out in beekeeping without any previous practice in beekeeping, and have had pretty good results. I advise you to keep your own council, or at least be questioning and deeply skeptical of what other beekeepers tell you (including me). There is one person I am associated with who keeps bees who could have been a mentor. He has kept bees for six years. He had three of four hives die last year. He had three more die this season. Two died in the fall from a severe outbreak of a disease called American Foulbrood. The third seems to have died this winter, also with a bad case of AF. He is not disposing of any of his diseased combs or equipment as he believes he can control this disease with an antibiotic. What I'm telling you about is a very bad example of colony management. He also disdains wearing a bee veil or any other protection as "wimpy." Just because somebody has been a beekeeper for a long time doesn't mean he or she is a good beekeeper. Another reason is because management techniques for bees are changing so rapidly, the old "wisdom" becomes obsolete quickly and may actually be detrimental to your colonys' health. And finally, some old-time beekeepers keep themselves in new equipment by buying out the nearly brand-new "used" equipment of failed hobbyists at clearance-sale prices, so be careful about choosing someone you can trust to give you advice. Good Luck! Article 23012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drivy19@aol.com (Drivy19) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need some advice from the pros on how to begin Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Feb 2000 18:37:28 GMT References: <15541-389BEDA2-1@storefull-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000205133728.23222.00003163@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23012 >1. Read as much as you are willing. Further down this list are several >posts about what to read. > I am on my way to the library now! Boy do I have a lot to learn. > 3. Join your local bee club or find beekeepers in your area who may have >ways of setting you up with your first hive. Where do you live? Someone >here may be able to point you in the right direction. I live in a very small town. Sandpoint, Idaho to be exact. No bee clubs. I am a master garderner, but nothing to do with beekeeping. I may need to check in Spokane, WA. GREAT advice though Thanks for the tips. :) Article 23013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drivy19@aol.com (Drivy19) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need some advice from the pros on how to begin Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Feb 2000 18:41:33 GMT References: <87hlrt$o3e$1@front5m.grolier.fr> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000205134133.23222.00003165@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23013 Thank you for your response! Good, solid advice. We do not have any clubs here, and the phone book is blank on beekeepers here.. I will search some more. Sparrow Article 23014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQdQ!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need some advice from the pros on how to begin Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 13:53:41 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <389C71B5.E8606CE7@fuse.net> References: <87hlrt$o3e$1@front5m.grolier.fr> <20000205134133.23222.00003165@ng-ch1.aol.com> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23014 Try, also, your local Extension Office. They usually know of a couple beekeepers, or maybe who might know someone at the state level. You can work your way down from there. Judy in Kentucky Drivy19 wrote: > Thank you for your response! Good, solid advice. We do not have any clubs here, > and the phone book is blank on beekeepers here.. I will search some more. > Sparrow Article 23015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: mbarton15653@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bee lava Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 19:09:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <87hshb$dda$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <873v1v$dn0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.131.242.170 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Feb 05 19:09:33 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.5; Mac_PowerPC) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.131.242.170 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmbarton15653 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23015 Many thanks for all of your thoughts and advice. The majority verdict would seem to be a case of chilled brood. I estimated the soft white dead lava at about 7-10 days by looking at some photos in books which suggested that the lava pupate at about 10 days - there were 5 in total over a period of three days and none since. They were all about 1cm in length. I checked for varroa about a month ago and all appeared ok. I live in Manchester UK and generally over the winter the weather has been wet with the odd frost. I dont really want to open the hive until the weather warms up - I'll keep you posted Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: mbarton15653@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bee lava Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 19:28:23 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <87htkk$e76$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <873v1v$dn0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.131.242.239 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Feb 05 19:28:23 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.5; Mac_PowerPC) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.131.242.239 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmbarton15653 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23016 Many thanks for all the thoughts and advice - the majority verdict appears to be a case of chilled brood. I estimated the soft white lava at about 7-10 days because of some photos I saw in a bee book and I understand they pupate at about 10 days. There were 5 in total over a period of 3 days and none since, they were about 1cm in length. I live in Manchester UK where the winter has been very wet with the odd frost. I dont really want to open the hive until it warms up - I'll keep you posted whe Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need some advice from the pros on how to begin Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:26:13 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 34 Message-ID: <87i146$f8t$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <20000204230954.00857.00000390@ng-fi1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdn79.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 949782470 15645 62.188.4.198 (5 Feb 2000 20:27:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Feb 2000 20:27:50 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23017 What you need is another beekeeper, to guide you past all the hol;es and traps for a year, then you will be able to make up your own mind and do it your own way, as the rest of us do. In any meeting of two beekeepers, at least three opinions of how to do something will be expressed. So know before you start that it's only the bees that know how to do things, the beekeepers just mess about in the background whilst the bees cobble aroud the problems they create. Find a friend, listen and learn, then go in deeper. Martin. Drivy19 wrote in message news:20000204230954.00857.00000390@ng-fi1.aol.com... > Hi everyone :) Thanks to everyone, or anyone, who responds. I will be > beginning my beekeeping this spring for the first time. But after doing some > basic research, I know I am way out of my league. Many sellers of start up kits > seem to offer different things. Does anybody have a recommendation on a good > start up kit which including the necessary tools to collect the honey? I see > there are two basic start up kits. One with only to get the colony going, the > other to allow you to actually make and collect the honey. I want the one able > to produce and collect honey. Any good companies to recommend? Trustworthy? And > what supplies do you pros feel are absolutely necessary for a newbie? Should I > worry about disease in a brand new hive? Thank you so much for answering! I > looked back in the newsgroup and couldn't find any answers to these..Not that I > would understand anyway ;) ~~~Sparrow Article 23018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <87bid7$l2i$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Subject: SV: spring mite treatment Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <0K%m4.6242$jg4.12259@nntpserver.swip.net> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:32:49 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.175.198 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 949782524 212.151.175.198 (Sat, 05 Feb 2000 21:28:44 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 21:28:44 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23018 Dennis Crutchfield: > Hello bee keeps, > I live in Missouri, and am wondering, in what month in the spring should i > put in my aspitan strips in. > thanks in advance > preacher Hi Preacher! What happened last time? I remember, you wrote something about many varroa mite left, and you wondered, if you should put in more Apistan strips. Did you get rid of the mite in the end? And have you thought about other methods? Doris Article 23019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQdQ!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jenn C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: clipping Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 16:56:50 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23019 Hi all I'll try not to start any fights today :) This spring will be my first with bees, the excitement builds. I placed a order for my first nuc today. here is where I could use some advice. I'm getting my queen marked but what about clipped? I understand the reason for clipping but am wondering what problems it might cause? Is clipping just a shortcut around good swarm control? just looking for some opinions. thanks Dave Article 23020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQdQ!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: nitetran@operamail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help identifying a bee Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 05:46:06 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <386F128E.16AEED3B@keelynet.com> Reply-To: nitetran@operamail.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset = US-ASCII X-Newsreader: News Rover 5.3.1 (http://www.NewsRover.com) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23020 >All I have on it is this painting and it looks >like some >kind of long tongued bumblebee but I've never >seen or heard >of anything like it before; >http://www.keelynet.com/temp/bug.htm >I would need its name and where it is most >commonly found as >well as where I could get further >details...thanks! -- > Jerry Wayne Decker - jdecker@keelynet.com > http://www.keelynet.com > from an Art to a Science > Voice : (214)324-8741 - FAX : (214)324-3501 > KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 > Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 Hi, there Jerry, I've got a pretty good book for the identification of bombus types, however, I couldn't open the URL you sent or the server wasn't on or had crashed, and couldn't see the bee in question. Why don't you just do a screen shot and post it as an .jpg attachment, I'm sure you won't get flamed too much. Humm...I see you're one of those republic of texas nuts. C.K. Article 23021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What sort o bees bee these? Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:51:01 +0000 Message-ID: References: <3899fa3b.3629482@news.freeserve.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 949661713 nnrp-10:10500 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23021 In article <3899fa3b.3629482@news.freeserve.net>, Steve Newport writes >During the late summer, in my garden, I noticed two bees that struck >me as unusual. snip >They looked like normal honey bees (size/shape) but they had a very >light coloured but thick down on their backs which was almost ginger >in colour. I wondered if they were some type of bumble bee? I am no expert and would like to become more so. We do have over 200 solitary bees active in different parts of the year (and 19 or so bumble bees). It sounds more like one of the former I'd need a good source of info with pictures. Does anyone have one for the UK? I'd like to build up a worksheet for children to explore bees and flowers at Trevarno Gardens where I have a bee centre. The gardeners often find bees rather like honeybees and ask about them. Solitaries often choose stems of plants as well as holes in the ground, sometimes more than one female in the same place depending on species. German research has used holes of many sizes drilled into wood to attract the different species. If I come across a good source I'll see if I can identify them. -- James Kilty Article 23022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <23010013.3133@nntp.8m.com> <20000123200139.26200.00000234@nso-ci.aol.com> <949266236.25592.0.nnrp-06.9e9850d5@news.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: !! ARE YOU A YOUNG, TEEN MODEL? NO SPAM !! 91877 Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <8Pym4.20$_u6.234458148@news.interact.net.au> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:36:40 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@interact.net.au X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 949664068 203.37.7.94 (Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:34:28 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:34:28 EST Organization: InterACT Technology Group http://www.interact.net.au/ Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23022 Doesn't he know that the subject females (Queens) in this forum are at their most photogenic at about 3-5 days and I've never heard of one living as long as 14 years -- Barry Metz Brian Clark wrote in message news:949266236.25592.0.nnrp-06.9e9850d5@news.demon.co.uk... > > what the hell use is it looking here ! > > > a derrrr! > > Bob Pursley wrote in message > <20000123200139.26200.00000234@nso-ci.aol.com>... > >In article <23010013.3133@nntp.8m.com>, alt.make.money.fast@nntp.8m.com > writes: > > > >> > >>I am looking for young models (prefer early teen 14-16 year old female) > for > >>nude and semi-nude photography. This is a great way for me to update my > >>portfolio, and also a great way for you to get a free portfolio, too! This > >>could lead to employment in the Adult XXX entertainment business. What a > >>great way to make money! > >> > > > > > > Somebody sic the feds on this guy. Quickly. > > > > Article 23023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "dm" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <389785EC.132D3CCE@banet.net> <389A216A.26670445@twcny.rr.com> Subject: Re: Cluster not moving up Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <48qm4.5495$OI1.244588@news5.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 19:42:24 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-Y2rmzXuR3YF5q7gTLgs0aeA0TgJCTtR5Ii9aBsMQtF6/SWpvFO80ABaNWSvHaAGifuV4WKGCBvJvJgO!lpqeCa9MY5IKhZdkH+yirhi4oRI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 17:44:02 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23023 You bet your bippy!!! I just looked in mine today...here in Western Washington State. There is a lot of uncapped honey up high...those bugs will go up soon enough. When the temperature in the hives...mine are painted BLACK!....gets high enough, queens will lay. Then watch that uncapped honey DISAPPEAR! When they feed brood it is a down and dirty race to see if they have honey until Dandy-lions, in late April, here,...or if they run out and I gotta feed 'em before they starve. Top box full of Honey??? COUNT YOUR BLESSINGS! "DM" Article 23024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <873v1v$dn0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: dead bee lava Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:18:16 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@interact.net.au X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 949662965 203.37.7.94 (Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:16:05 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:16:05 EST Organization: InterACT Technology Group http://www.interact.net.au/ Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23024 I don't wish to alarm you but I'd be looking further into this have a look at your brood comb if you find that there are uncapped cells in the comb with a white plug about half way into the cell then I'd be considering chalkbrood If you want further info on chalkbrood I could possibly email a picture and some further information Also as I don't know where you live it may be a notifiable disease, but DON'T get to excited it is manageable -- Barry Metz James Kilty wrote in message news:BOU1rCAkzbm4Ew48@kilty.demon.co.uk... > In article <873v1v$dn0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, mbarton15653@my-deja.com > writes > >Usual odd worker > >corpse around entrance but also a couple of white bee lava (I would > >estimate at about 7-10 days old) that had been chucked out of the hive. > >Is this normal or do I start panicking?! > > Could you explain your estimate of 7-10 days as a larva? > > Apart from thinking everything is normal in beekeeping I wonder if you > detect any varroa on the "larva"? If so, you may have a prize strain, > which detects and removes larvae with varroa on it. Call in a member of > your local association who has looked into this kind of thing. Otherwise > in nature nothing is 100 percent and hygienic bees are just doing their > work. I would not worry about 2. > > The other thing is that January is often the time when queens restart to > lay and if the nest gets too big and there is a cold snap, the cluster > contracts and may leave larvae to die, in order to preserve the colony > as a whole. On the next fine day, off go the undertakers. However, this > is most unusual as patches of brood are normally small and well within > the cluster. April, yes. > > For what it is worth. Any other opinions out there? > -- > James Kilty Article 23025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bee lava Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:18:21 +0000 Message-ID: References: <873v1v$dn0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 949789837 nnrp-04:12203 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 24 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23025 In article , Barry Metz writes >I don't wish to alarm you but I'd be looking further into this >have a look at your brood comb if you find that there are uncapped cells in >the comb with a white plug about half way into the cell then I'd be >considering chalkbrood >If you want further info on chalkbrood I could possibly email a picture and >some further information >Also as I don't know where you live it may be a notifiable disease, but >DON'T get to excited it is manageable Whoops. If I'm doing what I often complain about others doing, thinking what applies in their country or to their race of bees applies everywhere, sorry. Chalk brood is not a problem in the UK; it is prevalent, normally on a pretty small scale. Usually the bees handle it by disposing of the larvae/pupae when dead. So there may be little evidence except a "pepper-pot" pattern. Occasionally, when it seems excessive, we might wish to change the queen as it may be considered a hereditary issue. If I remember right, experiments with wintering using open mesh floors reduce the incidence. -- James Kilty Article 23026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: clipping Lines: 43 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <%i3n4.3733$Ks4.97551@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 00:32:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.221 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 949797179 12.72.48.221 (Sun, 06 Feb 2000 00:32:59 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 00:32:59 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23026 I'm glad you understand the reason for clipping, because I don't. The only value I can see is that it tells you odd or even year for her age but since you are already getting her marked, clipping does nothing for you. Some feel that clipping increases the likelihood of rejection but that doesn't apply in your case (nuc). Does it have any value in swarm control? No, the swarm will abandon her in the grass to die, return to the hive and then happily depart with the first virgin to emerge. Risky for the swarm at best, fatal at worst. In theory, it sounds as good as putting a queen excluder between the bottom board and hive body, but neither are effective for swarm control As a matter of personal opinion, I find it repulsive to intentionally disfigure such a beautiful creature. I wouldn't cut off one of my dogs legs to keep her from running away. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Jenn C" wrote in message news:s9p6toru98e171@corp.supernews.com... > Hi all > I'll try not to start any fights today :) > This spring will be my first with bees, the excitement builds. > I placed a order for my first nuc today. > here is where I could use some advice. > I'm getting my queen marked but what about clipped? > I understand the reason for clipping but am wondering what problems it might > cause? > Is clipping just a shortcut around good swarm control? > just looking for some opinions. > thanks Dave > > > Article 23027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: clipping Message-ID: References: Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 949795677 216.100.16.35 (Sat, 05 Feb 2000 17:07:57 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 17:07:57 MST Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 00:07:57 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23027 If I were you, I would dump my the bees from the nuc into a top bar hive, and then you don't have to worry so much about the colony running out of room. In the commercial frames, the bee spaces are pretty small so that the bees will fill up the spaces fast and then they will want to move into the next hive body so that if you don't have a next hive body already for them for more space for them then they are likely to swarm away whereas with a top bar hive they have more room top to bottom and side to side for their combs as they enjoy their increase. In article , Davec@net1plus.com says... > Hi all > I'll try not to start any fights today :) > This spring will be my first with bees, the excitement builds. > I placed a order for my first nuc today. > here is where I could use some advice. > I'm getting my queen marked but what about clipped? > I understand the reason for clipping but am wondering what problems it might > cause? > Is clipping just a shortcut around good swarm control? > just looking for some opinions. > thanks Dave > > > > Article 23028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp4.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul@D&G.com Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,bionet.agroforestry,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,uk.business.agriculture Subject: Re: Harvesting process and stripper design Sender: paul@D&G.com Reply-To: sidings@claranet.co.uk Message-ID: <389c1481.14091368@news.clara.net> References: <87f30l$r4i$1@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> <87f8qk$9u$1@soap.pipex.net> <389B2CF0.C4850BB1@visi.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 46 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 12:30:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.75.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp4.clara.net 949753803 195.8.75.1 (Sat, 05 Feb 2000 12:30:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 12:30:03 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.agriculture:4187 alt.agriculture.beef:2170 alt.agriculture.fruit:9842 alt.agriculture.misc:11687 bionet.agroforestry:14938 sci.agriculture:40402 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23028 On Fri, 04 Feb 2000 19:49:38 GMT, Thom Bradley wrote: >Quit cross posting this to alt.agriculture.beekeeping . > >We don't use tractors to harvest. > >Thom's Honeybees Think he's telling you to BUZZ OFF > >David wrote: >> >> I think the whole stripper header development in UK, involving Shelbourne >> Renolds was a fiasco. They were determined to retain the combine, and stick >> it on the front. I always thought that it should have been a simple >> machine, trailed by a tractor, like a forager, blowing the stripped >> material into a trailer. Then the drum and cleaner etc. could have been >> fitted into the grainstore / dryer building, where the guts of an old >> combine could probably have been utilised. As well as the grain, the dry >> flag leaf is also stripped, and this represents most of the feed value of >> the straw, and this can be separated. Of course barn equipment will >> depreciate a lot slower that mobile plant. I don't know who you are, or >> what your legal position with previous developers of the system is, but I >> for one will watch with interest! >> >> Best Regards David. >> >> comp.robotics.misc wrote in message >> news:87f30l$r4i$1@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de... >> > Hello. >> > >> > Just take a look for pages: >> > http://www.belsonet.net/harvester/index.htm >> > http://www.belarus.net/PAG/Www/Default.htm >> > >> > Contacts in "Proposal to partners" >> > Thanks. >> > >> > >> > Paul Article 23029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <389CDBD0.DA6D678E@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie question re: moving hives. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 02:17:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.144.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 949803425 24.112.144.102 (Sat, 05 Feb 2000 18:17:05 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 18:17:05 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23029 I hopefully will be getting into beekeeping this spring. Right now I live in southern Ontario, but I am trying to get a job in the north near Thunder Bay (north of Minnesota USA). My question is this - If I start a hive here and later on have to move north, should I move the hive (20hr. drive) or start a new one up there? If I start a hive up there, how late can I go in the year - I want to have as strong ahive as possible because the winters up there can be brutally cold. Thanks for any help, Glen. Article 23030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <389CEC9B.558298E6@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: clipping References: <%i3n4.3733$Ks4.97551@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 54 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 03:39:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp07.ts3-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 22:39:51 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23030 There is 1 other good reason for clipping. For those unfamiliar with handling queens, clipping may be a good idea as there is the possibility of having to release the queen from her cage. Nervousness and unfamiliarity could cause unnecessary clumsiness. Having her clipped will lessen the chance of loosing her prior to getting her safely into the hive body after releasing. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA George Styer wrote: > > I'm glad you understand the reason for clipping, because I don't. The only > value I can see is that it tells you odd or even year for her age but since > you are already getting her marked, clipping does nothing for you. Some feel > that clipping increases the likelihood of rejection but that doesn't apply > in your case (nuc). > > Does it have any value in swarm control? No, the swarm will abandon her in > the grass to die, return to the hive and then happily depart with the first > virgin to emerge. Risky for the swarm at best, fatal at worst. > > In theory, it sounds as good as putting a queen excluder between the bottom > board and hive body, but neither are effective for swarm control > > As a matter of personal opinion, I find it repulsive to intentionally > disfigure such a beautiful creature. I wouldn't cut off one of my dogs legs > to keep her from running away. > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > "Jenn C" wrote in message > news:s9p6toru98e171@corp.supernews.com... > > Hi all > > I'll try not to start any fights today :) > > This spring will be my first with bees, the excitement builds. > > I placed a order for my first nuc today. > > here is where I could use some advice. > > I'm getting my queen marked but what about clipped? > > I understand the reason for clipping but am wondering what problems it > might > > cause? > > Is clipping just a shortcut around good swarm control? > > just looking for some opinions. > > thanks Dave > > > > > > Article 23031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cluster not moving up Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Feb 2000 03:02:42 GMT References: <48qm4.5495$OI1.244588@news5.giganews.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000205220242.27492.00001825@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23031 In "The Hive and the Honey Bee" on page 623 in the section under fall/winter management it says the following: "It is also helpful to arrange the frames so that the two middlemost frames in the upper super are only partially filled with honey. This will make it easier for the winter cluster to make the transition from the bottom unit to the top unit during the winter." However, I'm with most of the rest of the people who responded to this post; cutting open cells and leaving frames partially empty in the middle is too much fancy management by far. The bees will make that transition on their own. Don't believe everything you read. Article 23032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.abs.net!feeder.qis.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQdQ!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: clipping Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 22:16:34 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <389CE792.9AFDAACE@kingston.net> References: <%i3n4.3733$Ks4.97551@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23032 Hi all, I was wondering about Georges response regarding the colony reswarming after the virgin queen hatchs. Since the hive is now queenless do you think that the bees will keep the queens apart?. I agree that to clip a queens wings is only part of 1 method of swarm control. That is like only checking once for swarm cells then not again. I have tried queens with clipped wings a couple of times. but I still check for swarm cells. When I find them I destroy all but the best looking one. My reasoning was to let the colony swarm, and as George said, once they realize they have no queen they will return and wait for the queen cell to hatch. Since there is only one cell the hive is requeened and it seems to satisfy the swarm urge. I also make sure they have lots of room as the swarming seems to stem from hive congestion in my experiences. I have been happy with the results so I am going to try this in all my hives in the next 2 years. Article 23033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books on Bees Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Feb 2000 03:50:24 GMT References: <877tev$bkj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000205225024.27497.00001991@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23033 <> I disagree that "The Beekeeper's Handbook" is the best beginner's book for these reasons: 1) There are no pictures anywhere in the book, only drawings. Every other current beekeeping manual writer (Morse, Bonney, Dadant) has included photos. Having never worked a beehive before, I found the pictures indespensible. The step-by-step photos showing how to hive a package of bees was very important to me the first time I took on that task. 2) It's not very readable. There is a bulleted list on every page of the book. I realize a beekeeping manual isn't supposed to be Hemmingway, but I compare the experience to trying to read a book of shopping lists. It's hard to learn from shopping lists. Sometimes there are lists within lists within lists. 3) Some of the techniques recommended have been discouraged by other writers. For example, under the managing queens chapter, it describes several methods of queen introduction, and includes the options of dipping her in honey or smoking the colony and running her in the front entrance to help the hive accept her. I've read elsewhere of these practices being discouraged and having a poor rate of success. The best two beginner's book I've come across are "Beekeeping: A Practical Guide" by Richard Bonney and "First Lessons in Beekeeping" by C.P. Dadant. Article 23034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need some advice from the pros on how to begin Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Feb 2000 04:32:02 GMT References: <87i146$f8t$1@lure.pipex.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000205233202.20978.00003223@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23034 I realize many people believe you need to follow someone around for a year before you start keepng bees on your own. It probably is sound advice but I have yet to see another beekeeper at work. READ everything you can get your hands on, join a club. I haven't lost a hive yet (fingers are crossed) this winter and they were flying like mad today. Pollen sacs FULL so I imagine they are even queenright. Don't get discouraged because people think you need to bee taught with hands on from someone else because it aint necessarily so. Laura Article 23035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <389D648B.7DD8DA59@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead hive References: <389D4A57.EF791416@athens.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 43 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 12:11:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp04.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 07:11:29 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23035 John, In this context queens only lay eggs. There's not much laying in the winter. There obviously was some laying as there was emerging brood. Look closely, which end is pointing out, the front or the back. Your first reaction may be the correct one. Sounds as if they froze in place from lack of food. How much honey is left in the hive? Check your other hive to make sure it is heavy enough with food. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA Sandy & John wrote: > > A friend of mine gave me a swarm last spring and they produced well. > The hive appeared to be much stronger than my other hive that I started > bee-keeping with two years ago. I left plenty of honey for them in the > supers of both hives overwinter. > > Yesterday was the first in months that the daily temp rose above 35 > degrees, so I thought I'd check on them. Lo and behold the hive that > started from the swarm was dead. I've never seen anything like this, > they looked as if they were frozen in place, and I felt bad for the > little fellas. There were alot of bees in the hive and there were a 100 > or so cells of brood with a few in the process of emerging. I can only > guess that the queen died. > > Ironically I learned only weeks ago that a swarm consists of the queen > from the old hive which I didn't realize, I assumed a swarm had the new > queen not the old one. So perhaps my hive had an aged queen in need of > requeening. If I get another swarm this spring, should I re-queen > shortly thereafter to prevent this from happening. > > My other hive is going on its third season, would it be a good idea to > requeen that one as well? > > Thanks, > > John Vona Article 23036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: vasak@aol.com (Vasak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need some advice from the pros on how to begin Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Feb 2000 13:40:15 GMT References: <20000205134133.23222.00003165@ng-ch1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000206084015.21957.00002026@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23036 Dear Sparrow, You asked for advice from the pros and got a lot of it. All of it very good advice. I stayed out because I'm not a pro - not yet, but here is some advice from a beginner. My daughter and I started trying to be beekeepers when we discovered a hive in our wall in spring of 1998. We found a local beekeeper, bought a queen, got lots of free advice, and managed to start several hives from the wall bees. But then lost them all in late summer because we (I) made almost every mistake that could be made. Then in March 1999 we bought two packages of bees with queens and started over. Both hives are very strong now. Also we were given a colony that had been living in an old fuel tank for at least 15 years. We will try to move them into a regular hive box in a few weeks. The best advice you received was what Pamela said >>...So know before you start that it's only the bees that know how to do things,...<< Your job will be to respect the bees and learn from them as you provide a place for them to do what they do. To help you do that, you already have access to the greatest source of information in the world - THE INTERNET. Here are some web addresses to get you started. If you have any questions you think we can answer please write. Sincerely, Herb http://www.dreamscape.com/frankvad/search.html http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Beekeeping/weblinks.htm#ag http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Beekeeping/beephoto.htm http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Beekeeping/beevac.htm http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/na/bgardn.html http://www.saunalahti.fi/~apither/Firstpage/ http://www.beemaster.com/ http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm http://www.xensei.com/users/alwine/index.htm http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/faqs /bookfaq1.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/bees/ Article 23037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books on Bees Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 16:15:01 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <87k6m2$u02$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <877tev$bkj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000205225024.27497.00001991@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.180 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Feb 06 16:15:01 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.180 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23037 > I disagree that "The Beekeeper's Handbook" is the best beginner's book for these reasons:... Good. These words are from a real beekeeper. I can tell, because beekeepers seldom agree on anything and can usually be counted upon to disagree. I don't agree with the writer's choice in books, of course, BUT... I'll say right now that all the books so far mentioned are excellent and any beginner should buy five or so books and read them all, and don't forget to subscribe to Bee Culture at http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/index.htm or the ABJ at http://www.dadant.com/abj.htm . What will be learned is that there is no 'right' or 'wrong' way to do most bee management and that beekeeping is more art than science, even for a guy like me who has 3,000 hives and 4 full time helpers. That is not to say that you can just go out without experience and do anything you like with impunity, but if you read some books, make some friends, join or organise a club, and maintain a sense of humour -- and respect for the bees -- you will have a good time, do a public service, and maybe even make a little money. No matter how smart you are, reading will confuse you until you actually have hands-on experience. If you can convince an experienced beekeeper to allow you to tag along and help out, you will learn how the book knowledge fits into the real world and get more perspective in a day that in a year of reading and planning. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Gabe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive body switching and spring management? Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 19:00:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.17.126.32 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 949863646 63.17.126.32 (Sun, 06 Feb 2000 19:00:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 19:00:46 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23038 Hello, I keep a few hives in the eastern PA area, a bit west of philadelphia. Its mid February and was wondering if anyone in the area could tell me the best time to switch the brood from the top hive body to the lower. I want to do this early but don't want to freeze them out either. Last year I did it in march and all was well. I want to try to stop them from swarming like they did last year. Also, whens the best time to put on the first super? I did that a bit late last summer (I think) which may have contributed too the swarm I had. Eventually I managed to recombine, but would like to stop them before they split. Thanks Gabe Redler Eastern PA Article 23039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <389DD416.675D5BFD@honeyroad.com> From: workerbee@honeyroad.com Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage: http://www.honeyroad.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [e