Article 28434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee problem Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 02:10:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: <95agib$iji$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A78A94D.5A27FC52@clemson.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.104 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Feb 01 02:10:24 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.104 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers00 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28434 > Charlie Culver wrote: > Hello. I am not a beekeeper, but I have a bee problem. I figured this > would be the place to ask. There is a fairly large hive in my back > yard that has been there for a really long time (about 5 years). *********************************************************** Howdy Charlie -- Asuming that you do have honey bees: A few definitions may help you describe better to us what you have. A colony is a family of bees no matter where they live. It may be a hollow tree, in a wall, or in a box made for them. A hive is a box of some sort (usually wood) built for the purpose of housing a colony. If you really do have a hive, just contact a beekeeper and give it to them. If it is a colony in a hollow tree, just leave it alone. We need them for pollination. They are not likely to bother you unless you meddle with them (such as applying stinky stuff). Let us hear from you. Pete So Much to Learn -- so Little Time Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.72!wnfilter2!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mark Jensen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fischer's Bee-Quick Organization: No Junk Mail Reply-To: mejensen@att.net Message-ID: References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 02:45:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.20.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 980995554 12.81.20.91 (Thu, 01 Feb 2001 02:45:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 02:45:54 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28435 My bees tell me James Fischer wrote: >On an unrelated topic, we are happy to announce that Dadant (USA) >and Thorne (UK) are now carrying Fischer's Bee-Quick, which may >be of interest to those who are unhappy with their present honey >harvesting methods. Check it out at http://www.bee-quick.com . >If you were at either of the recent AHPA or ABF meetings, and >neglected to get your free sample from the Dadant representatives, >send an e-mail to the address listed on the website. James , I have just received my sample of Bee-Quick from Dadant's, and it smells to me like it is mostly benzaldehyde. I was somewhat disappointed in this, since Bee-Go is superior to benzaldehyde. Furthermore, I did not find the odor of Bee-Quick to be an improvement over Bee-Go or benzaldehyde. Any comments? Article 28436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A78D4E0.93EEF1A5@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees gone, ants moved in and honey stores left behind References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 X-Trace: +r2ablonth4t2JheYzOR4pX/QUvn0LcQIl2JWV9Wkn4ZQgFVaCAfQSTkBhl6dL0ZHC36EWhdSKJw!kmDboUo7V6e1cviQ+KBDIlz+7dbeT/x/koWOU0TRnzho+82+d/LFl7+j9oTD X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 03:15:20 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 03:15:20 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28436 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:244 It sounds kind of like tracheal mites. Did you treat your hives with menthol crystals? If you did then what time in the fall? I live in Indiana and I treat my hives about the first week of August. Menthol needs warm temps in order for it to work. I suggest going to Midnite Bee's web pages and read Dr. Imiries Pink Pages. I must for new beekeepers in my estimation. Scott Franklin wrote: > I need some help and some thoughts on my situation. > > This happened this year and seemingly last year. > > I am new to beekeeping and have one hive of bees, I live in CA north of > Sacramento. Winters are chilly but not freezing. I have the hive in a > location that gets great morning and evening sun with some shade during the > day and there are trees on both sides that create a great wind break > > My bees have all left their hive(or died). I did not inspect the hive much > during the winter because I did not want to disturb the bees during the > wintering process. My situation is that our house is on an ant hill. I did > notice some ants early in winter hanging around the hive so I put out > mothballs about 2 - 4 feet around the hive. (Mothballs I have discovered > gets rid of ants very well, they don't like the smell or something). > Currently around the hive I can visibly see no dead bees (but they may have > been blown away by the wind). > > I opened the hive, saw a full super of honey, (my little super I emptied > back in October), and on the bottom level there are a few capped egg cells > and some cells that have semi mature bees partially crawling out of it. It > bees are dead and appear normal in color. Does anyone have any ideas as to > what might bee wrong? This happen last year it seems but in the spring, a > new hive (I think it was new) moved in to the bee box with a full stash of > honey. Am I paranoid? Did the bees die? Did they migrate? Was it > disease? > > Please post all responses to the news group...not my email...maybe my > circumstance can help others....thanks > > Scott Article 28437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A78D707.A01B7BFF@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 X-Trace: /bdhN9UIiQYepNGL6y6sfcNbQEPtoTzhxYxljpA2TNnFKkWK6xdsst+EmgAAq/1L2oQ+55NPq0xr!BQJOxTBnMFfYNKQN1O5lMKPsjnGexPMzz2Kz/uYxMKeWjUJlePlQfD/+XXAT X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 03:24:36 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 03:24:36 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28437 Hi Charlie, Charlie Kroeger wrote: > >My doctor prescribed an EpiPen Auto Injector made by Dey. It cost > >me $24.00 > > I don't know where you are geographically speaking, as GTE.NET is rather > secretive of their whereabouts. However, in 1992 in Amarillo, TX. that > prescription would have cost you $60 and a time limit regarding effectiveness. > I live in Northwest Indiana > I suppose if you 'have' a doctor he can call in a prescription thus avoiding > the 'office call' but in '92 an office call for the same region would have set > you back 30 to 50 bucks. I guess the manufactures of EpiPen must have > recovered their development cost and lowered the price. > >Well worth it considering I missed two days of work. > So you are saying you used the EpiPen on yourself after your head swelled up, > or you just being prepared for the next time you may be stung? If you used > the EpiPen after you swelled up, did the swelling go away as fast as it > occurred? > No I went to my doc first and got the old shot in the rear. I got the Epi Pen > for next time, just in case. > Did you have to buy two EpiPen prescriptions meaning after you used the first > one to counter the allergic reaction you've described, and another to keep in > case you're stung again? If that's the case you really spent $48. > > lastly, is there more than one treatment in an EpiPen Injector? (kit) > No- only one pen per prescription. I believe the injector has to be used with in > one to two years. > C.K. Article 28438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollen in January Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:07:52 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 27 Message-ID: <95amgo$ql1$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> References: <955ihp$9cg$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> <20010130231043.07518.00001989@ng-fc1.aol.com> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.49.9b X-Server-Date: 1 Feb 2001 03:51:52 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28438 It can't be my Camellias the deer chewed all the leaves off the bushes just before Christmas. I will take a look in the woods to see if I can find anything blooming. > Dark orange is probably something in the mint family, henbit or anise > hyssop, maybe. Pale yellow is likely wild mustard, canola or blooming collards. > Pale gray-green is probably maple. Everything is running late this year due to > the unusual cold, but the pollen is starting to come in now, here in SC. > > It will be quite a while before pines bloom. Camelias are just starting, but > they are a very minor source. My own camelia usually starts blossoming around > Christmas, but so far has only opened one blossom. It's loaded with buds > though. > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions > presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A78FB08.FBCA2D46@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:58:32 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.75 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 980999408 208.235.28.75 (Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:50:08 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:50:08 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28439 Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > >My doctor prescribed an EpiPen Auto Injector made by Dey. It cost > >me $24.00 > > I don't know where you are geographically speaking, as GTE.NET is rather > secretive of their whereabouts. However, in 1992 in Amarillo, TX. that > prescription would have cost you $60 and a time limit regarding effectiveness. > > I suppose if you 'have' a doctor he can call in a prescription thus avoiding > the 'office call' but in '92 an office call for the same region would have set > you back 30 to 50 bucks. I guess the manufactures of EpiPen must have > recovered their development cost and lowered the price. I pay $9 (insurance co-pay) for two EpiPens and get the prescription without a Dr appt. I tell the nurses at the front desk I keep honeybees and they chase down the doc for the paperwork. I've been doing this for the last 3 years and, thanks to this thread, just now noticed these things have two refills each - that'll save me a trip to the Dr office this year. I *am* curious about the perceived need for an EpiPen because of swelling. That does not strike me as the appropriate remedy. AL Article 28440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.244!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:14:37 -0600 Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> <3A78D707.A01B7BFF@gte.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.244 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 981004478 17255042 216.167.138.244 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28440 >Hi Charlie, Hi, Chad. You didn't answer my questions. C.K. Article 28441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee problem Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 07:04:34 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A7950D2.F4C0B298@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3A78A94D.5A27FC52@clemson.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28441 Hi Charlie, If they are honey bees and even if you are not sure, then contact a local beekeeper. He/She will be able to give you better advice on how to get ride of them. They may try to collect them for themselves. There could be a beekeeping club in your area, they will assist you in getting in contact with someone. It is to difficult to answer that type of question when you are not there in person. Kent Stienburg Article 28442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee problem Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 12:27:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3a795584.209508897@news1.radix.net> References: <3A78A94D.5A27FC52@clemson.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28442 On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:09:49 -0500, Charlie Culver wrote: >Hello. I am not a beekeeper, but I have a bee problem. I figured this >would be the place to ask. There is a fairly large hive in my back yard >that has been there for a really long time (about 5 years, according to >the previous owners). So now it's really big and there are a bunch of >bees around. I want to get rid of the hive without being stung 132 >times. I've been searching for answers to this for a couple days, and a >lot of people I've casually talked to about this have mentioned a >product that, when sprayed on the hive, will smell so horrendous that >the bees have to get out. They said it smells like human vomit or >something. Can anyone tell me what this is, and any precautions I should >take when I do use it? > > Thanks, > Charlie Culver > Pay a profesional and have the job done right. Appling bee go probably won't work, the smell will last damn near forever, and they may just decide to move into your house. You only get what you pay for. Getting hobbyist to play with them for free can be a big mistake. If you go the cheap route, keep us posted as we all need a good laugh now and then. beekeep Article 28443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee problem Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 12:18:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 42 Message-ID: <95bk65$e3s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A78A94D.5A27FC52@clemson.edu> <95agib$iji$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.163 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Feb 01 12:18:17 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.163 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28443 In article <95agib$iji$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Pete wrote: > > > > Charlie Culver wrote: > > Hello. I am not a beekeeper, but I have a bee problem. I figured this > > would be the place to ask. There is a fairly large hive in my back > > yard that has been there for a really long time (about 5 years). > > *********************************************************** > > Howdy Charlie -- > > A colony is a family of bees no matter where they live. It may be a > hollow tree, in a wall, or in a box made for them. > > If it is a colony in a hollow tree, just leave it alone. > We need them for pollination. They are not likely to bother you unless you meddle with them (such as applying stinky stuff). > > Let us hear from you. Hi Charlie, You really need to give us more information before we can give you any advice beyond the good advice Pete has already given you. Where are the critters located in your yard? What are they in? Where are you located? If you give your city some beekeeper reading this may come over and take a look at them. The stinky stuff you're talking about is Bee-Go, that's one brand available from Bee equipment supply houses. It might keep a swarm from selecting a certain location for their permanent home, but I doubt that it would make a colony move. Especially one that's been there 5 years. Have you tried locating a local beekeeper or the state bee inspector? Herb NW FLA USA vasak@aol.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Date: 1 Feb 2001 04:27:43 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 73 Message-ID: <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-583.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28444 Mark said: > I have just received my sample of Bee-Quick from Dadant's, > and it smells to me like it is mostly benzaldehyde. There is no benzaldehyde in Bee-Quick. But thanks for the complement. We worked hard to make it smell "familiar" to experienced beekeepers. > I was somewhat disappointed in this, since Bee-Go is > superior to benzaldehyde. If you try it, you will find that Bee-Quick is superior to both of the others at all temperature ranges, and works far below the useful temp range of the others. You can read all about it at http://www.bee-quick.com > Furthermore, I did not find the odor of Bee-Quick to > be an improvement over Bee-Go or benzaldehyde. > Any comments If your nose cannot detect much difference between Bee-Quick and benzaldehyde, then no one would expect you to be able to detect any "improvement". Of the over 700 free samples handed out in 2001, you are the first to offer this view. All other opinions have been very positive. But Bee-Go??? We have yet to meet anyone who could name ANYTHING that smelled worse than Bee-Go! For example, here is the opinion of Dr. James Tew of Ohio State about the smell of Bee-Go (from Bee Culture, Oct 2000, full text at http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/00oct/00oct5.html) "The bouquet of this repellent is similar to that of human infant up-chuck and seems to have a half-life of several thousand years. Bees are repelled by the smell. I am repelled by the smell. Neighbors are repelled by the smell... For odiferous reasons, don't get this chemical on you. Don't put Bee-Go containers in your truck cab. Don't store it inside a building you care about." But, your own sense of smell is not something you can change, so ignoring personal "odor" preferences, all I can offer is: a) Bee-Quick does not require expensive Haz-Mat shipping fees. The other two do. b) Unlike the other two, Bee-Quick is non-toxic. No gloves or goggles required. c) You can test for yourself which "works better". d) Bee-Quick washes off with water. Bee-Go simply won't wash off! (Married? Wanna STAY married?) e) If you are not completely satisfied, return it for a full refund, just like the label says. (But, wait... yours was a FREE sample.) f) Why don't you try it in the apiary before you decide? Gosh, don't we get any points for handing out free samples so that you can make up your mind at OUR expense? Try getting free samples from "the other guys"! jim Article 28445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:46:41 -0500 Lines: 86 Message-ID: <95c3tj$gsgqf$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 981046003 17711951 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28445 All I can say is where's my FREE SAMPLE! -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "James Fischer" wrote in message news:95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com... > Mark said: > > > I have just received my sample of Bee-Quick from Dadant's, > > and it smells to me like it is mostly benzaldehyde. > > There is no benzaldehyde in Bee-Quick. > > But thanks for the complement. We worked hard to make > it smell "familiar" to experienced beekeepers. > > > I was somewhat disappointed in this, since Bee-Go is > > superior to benzaldehyde. > > If you try it, you will find that Bee-Quick is superior to > both of the others at all temperature ranges, and works far > below the useful temp range of the others. You can read all > about it at http://www.bee-quick.com > > > Furthermore, I did not find the odor of Bee-Quick to > > be an improvement over Bee-Go or benzaldehyde. > > Any comments > > If your nose cannot detect much difference between > Bee-Quick and benzaldehyde, then no one would expect > you to be able to detect any "improvement". > Of the over 700 free samples handed out in 2001, > you are the first to offer this view. All other > opinions have been very positive. > > But Bee-Go??? We have yet to meet anyone who could name > ANYTHING that smelled worse than Bee-Go! For example, > here is the opinion of Dr. James Tew of Ohio State about > the smell of Bee-Go (from Bee Culture, Oct 2000, full text > at http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/00oct/00oct5.html) > > "The bouquet of this repellent is similar to that of > human infant up-chuck and seems to have a half-life > of several thousand years. Bees are repelled by the > smell. I am repelled by the smell. Neighbors are > repelled by the smell... For odiferous reasons, > don't get this chemical on you. Don't put Bee-Go > containers in your truck cab. Don't store it inside > a building you care about." > > But, your own sense of smell is not something you > can change, so ignoring personal "odor" preferences, > all I can offer is: > > a) Bee-Quick does not require expensive Haz-Mat > shipping fees. The other two do. > > b) Unlike the other two, Bee-Quick is non-toxic. > No gloves or goggles required. > > c) You can test for yourself which "works better". > > d) Bee-Quick washes off with water. Bee-Go simply > won't wash off! (Married? Wanna STAY married?) > > e) If you are not completely satisfied, return it > for a full refund, just like the label says. > (But, wait... yours was a FREE sample.) > > f) Why don't you try it in the apiary before > you decide? > > Gosh, don't we get any points for handing out free > samples so that you can make up your mind at > OUR expense? Try getting free samples from "the > other guys"! > > jim > Article 28446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A79A960.24E7A62D@diablo-ca.com> From: Mike Mascaro Organization: Diablo MicroSystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees gone, ants moved in and honey stores left behind References: <3A78D4E0.93EEF1A5@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 58 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 18:19:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.0.212.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com 981051592 65.0.212.206 (Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:19:52 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:19:52 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28446 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:245 This is what the internet is so good for, I see something totally different than mites. I have seen, in my area NorCal, mainly empty hives do to ants. we have those tiny little black ants that bees hate. I get hives absconding because the ant's are robbing them blind. I wouldn't have even thought mites, just because in NorCal we don't have a winter really, so absconding on a warm day doesn't shock me. There is a decent flow here all year long, I just pulled supers off for Oct-Dec. If there aren't a lot of dead bees in the hive, I'd just assume the ants pissed them off. I have seen bees leave in a matter of hours after the ants get to them. It's been really warm this year and the bees haven't shutdown at all, mine are flying right now at 10 am. Good luck, Mike Mt. Diablo Beekeepers Chad Howell wrote: > It sounds kind of like tracheal mites. Did you treat your hives with menthol > crystals? If you did then what time in the fall? I live in Indiana and I treat > my hives about the first week of August. Menthol needs warm temps in order for > it to work. I suggest going to Midnite Bee's web pages and read Dr. Imiries Pink > Pages. I must for new beekeepers in my estimation. > > Scott Franklin wrote: > > > I need some help and some thoughts on my situation. > > > > This happened this year and seemingly last year. > > > > I am new to beekeeping and have one hive of bees, I live in CA north of > > Sacramento. Winters are chilly but not freezing. I have the hive in a > > location that gets great morning and evening sun with some shade during the > > day and there are trees on both sides that create a great wind break > > > > My bees have all left their hive(or died). I did not inspect the hive much > > during the winter because I did not want to disturb the bees during the > > wintering process. My situation is that our house is on an ant hill. I did > > notice some ants early in winter hanging around the hive so I put out > > mothballs about 2 - 4 feet around the hive. (Mothballs I have discovered > > gets rid of ants very well, they don't like the smell or something). > > Currently around the hive I can visibly see no dead bees (but they may have > > been blown away by the wind). > > > > I opened the hive, saw a full super of honey, (my little super I emptied > > back in October), and on the bottom level there are a few capped egg cells > > and some cells that have semi mature bees partially crawling out of it. It > > bees are dead and appear normal in color. Does anyone have any ideas as to > > what might bee wrong? This happen last year it seems but in the spring, a > > new hive (I think it was new) moved in to the bee box with a full stash of > > honey. Am I paranoid? Did the bees die? Did they migrate? Was it > > disease? > > > > Please post all responses to the news group...not my email...maybe my > > circumstance can help others....thanks > > > > Scott Article 28447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Date: 1 Feb 2001 10:22:42 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 40 Message-ID: <95c9hi013ej@drn.newsguy.com> References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> <95c3tj$gsgqf$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-855.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28447 "BeeFarmer" says... > All I can say is where's my FREE SAMPLE! Dadant was handing them out on our behalf at the recent ABF and AHPA meetings in Texas and California. Everyone who attended and stopped by their booth got one. A wise beekeeper who wanted a free sample might want to consider attending the state-level and other major beekeeping meetings nearest their home. An astute beekeeper would make a point of telling us when and where their next state beekeeper's meeting will be by going to http://www.bee-quick.com, and clicking on "E-mail us". If you stop and think about it, EVERY bottle is a potential "free sample" of sorts, because the product is backed by the simple guarantee of a full refund. If you don't like it, you get your money back, no hassle, no nonsense, no Spanish Inqusition. If we give away too many bottles, Dadant won't sell any of the ones they bought from us, and they will drop me headfirst into their giant wax-melting vat! (It is an impressive toy to see - about 15 feet high, and perhaps 6 feet around. One can smell the wax for roughly 500 yards in all directions around their plant.) jim Article 28448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.ind.net!portal.bsu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A79BEE3.5A9E4620@bsu.edu> From: Dale Scheidler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Bee And Overwintering Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 14:54:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.50 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 981057103 147.226.103.50 (Thu, 01 Feb 2001 14:51:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 14:51:43 EST Organization: Ball St. U. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28448 Will a hive overwinter without a queen? I keep 20 colonies in Indiana and lost one hive. This hive seemed to not cluster like the others when inspected in November before it got cold. Whether queenless or not I do not know for sure. Thanks, Dale Article 28449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.mindspring.net!finch!hubcap.clemson.edu!not-for-mail From: Charlie Culver Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee problem Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 16:15:26 -0500 Organization: Clemson University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3A79D1ED.A5C8B7CD@clemson.edu> References: <3A78A94D.5A27FC52@clemson.edu> <3A7950D2.F4C0B298@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172-16-20-91.generic.clemson.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hubcap.clemson.edu 981062142 13015 172.16.20.91 (1 Feb 2001 21:15:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@hubcap.clemson.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Feb 2001 21:15:42 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28449 What i'm looking for is the product that smells like vomit. That's all I need, don't worry about anything else :) Thanks again, Charlie kent stienburg wrote: > Hi Charlie, > > If they are honey bees and even if you are not sure, then contact a > local beekeeper. He/She will be able to give you better advice on how > to get ride of them. They may try to collect them for themselves. There > could be a beekeeping club in your area, they will assist you in getting > in contact with someone. It is to difficult to answer that type of > question when you are not there in person. > > Kent Stienburg Article 28450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 X-Trace: +r2ablonth+W/cK/jYlRhrckBEcEFKtxJGX66VAO63vmbY6TXVhY8fvWGVBJ878dvL21FwQmieiW!oZyL3S+LNyb3dSVdJ05DMBJeYqG8nBjRf5u1LW3Yod7ZBRXWenv5j+Gu0B2X7Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 23:45:05 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 23:45:06 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28450 Hi Charlie, My answers where hidden in your text, sorry about that. I live in Northwest Indiana. I didn't use it on myself yet. My doc wrote the prescription and told me to keep it with me just in case. I only got one pen with my prescription and it's a one time use. The problem with being stung in the head is that there isn't much meat to absorb the venom so your body fights it and it just stays in that spot. That's how it was explained to me by my doc. He said the Epi Pen may help to reduce the swelling next time. Although there shouldn't be a next time because I learned a valuable lesson. ALWAYS WEAR A VEIL, no matter what the temp is. Chad Howell Charlie Kroeger wrote: > >My doctor prescribed an EpiPen Auto Injector made by Dey. It cost > >me $24.00 > > I don't know where you are geographically speaking, as GTE.NET is rather > secretive of their whereabouts. However, in 1992 in Amarillo, TX. that > prescription would have cost you $60 and a time limit regarding effectiveness. > > I suppose if you 'have' a doctor he can call in a prescription thus avoiding > the 'office call' but in '92 an office call for the same region would have set > you back 30 to 50 bucks. I guess the manufactures of EpiPen must have > recovered their development cost and lowered the price. > > >Well worth it considering I missed two days of work. > > So you are saying you used the EpiPen on yourself after your head swelled up, > or you just being prepared for the next time you may be stung? If you used > the EpiPen after you swelled up, did the swelling go away as fast as it > occurred? > > Did you have to buy two EpiPen prescriptions meaning after you used the first > one to counter the allergic reaction you've described, and another to keep in > case you're stung again? If that's the case you really spent $48. > > lastly, is there more than one treatment in an EpiPen Injector? (kit) > > C.K. Article 28451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees gone, ants moved in and honey stores left behind Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 23:58:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <95ct7b$m52$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.62 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Feb 01 23:58:39 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.62 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28451 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:246 In article , "Scott Franklin" wrote: > I need some help and some thoughts on my situation. > I did notice some ants early in winter hanging around the hive so I put out mothballs about 2 - 4 feet around the hive. (Mothballs I have discovered gets rid of ants very well, they don't like the smell or something). ... > Scott, mothballs are very toxic to bees. Just a thought but maybe the odor drove them away. Moth crystals (Paradichlorobenzene) are okay for bees and would probably work just as well for ants. Herb NW Fla Usa > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 18 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Feb 2001 00:16:39 GMT References: <3A79D1ED.A5C8B7CD@clemson.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: bee problem Message-ID: <20010201191639.27991.00000232@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28452 >What i'm looking for is the product that smells like vomit. That's all I >need, don't worry about anything else :) > Thanks again, > Charlie > I won't mince words with you. You asked people who care about bees and care about your safety. You recieved good advice. The chemical you are looking for won't do the job. Stop being an idiot. Tom Article 28453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!24.30.200.2.MISMATCH!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A7A118D.162547A@mediaone.net> From: Barry Meltzer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 50 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 01:46:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.21.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 981078373 24.128.21.130 (Thu, 01 Feb 2001 20:46:13 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 20:46:13 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28453 I guess my biggest concern is about my kids and wife. Do I, as a hobbyist with 2 hives in the back yard expose them to enough 'stuff' to sensitize them? I get stung once in a while and from prior threads, this should keep me in good shape. We are getting the Epi-Pens anyway, but I was just wondering how careful I should be about them. While I don't think they would be too fond of getting intentionally stung, we could get them tested. In general, I would rather not inflict an unneeded allergy on them if I could help it. Thanks, Barry Chad Howell wrote: > I'm a hobby beekeeper with 4 colonies. I was stung a few weeks ago right square in > the forehead. My head swelled like a balloon. Any ways, getting back to what you > need to carry. My doctor prescribed an EpiPen Auto Injector made by Dey. It cost > me $24.00. Well worth it considering I missed two days of work. > > Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > > >Does this phenomenon occur with hobbyist beekeepers as well as > > >commercial ones? > > > > Yes, and the worst allergic reaction is: > > > > anaphylactic shock > > > > A severe and rapid and sometimes fatal hypersensitivity reaction to a > > substance (especially a vaccine or penicillin or shellfish or insect venom) to > > which the organism (that's you) has become sensitized by previous exposure > > > > note: 'sensitized by previous exposure.' > > > > If you're worried carry one of those 'kits.' In the USA, a doctor has to > > prescribe it, and it will cost about as much as the office call probably in > > the range of 100 USD plus, the last I looked; if you live close to Canada or > > Mexico, go to either of those places instead, why be a sap. > > > > I've been interested in this phenomenon of bee venom in male sperm and the > > dangers it apparently poses to sexual partners that may be 'allergic' to bee > > stings. I'm in correspondence with a woman who's married to a California > > 'commercial' beekeeper that used to get stung a lot (hundreds of times a year) > > and she developed anaphylaxis, almost dying and the doctor(s) couldn't figure > > it out until they investigated the possibilities and peculiarities regarding > > her husband and his excessive bee stings. When I know more I'll post the > > results. > > > > C.K. Article 28454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Zebra Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to solve skunk problem? Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 20:37:40 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <9q5k7tknrinfq5q9penqfkjp2gmm1rl2q7@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28454 My sister is a beekeeper and told me skunks have discovered her hives. They scratch the front na dht eguard bees come out to see what's going on and get eaten. Apparently they can't sting thru the fur or are just too sluggish in winter. Any suggestions for her? She is in Indiana. TIA, Liz Article 28455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mark Jensen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Organization: No Junk Mail Reply-To: mejensen@att.net Message-ID: <2r7k7t0jaq7vh06on1r674l1lkeljt4ah7@4ax.com> References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 02:56:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.20.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 981082574 12.81.20.88 (Fri, 02 Feb 2001 02:56:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 02:56:14 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28455 My bees tell me James Fischer wrote: >> I have just received my sample of Bee-Quick from Dadant's, >> and it smells to me like it is mostly benzaldehyde. > >There is no benzaldehyde in Bee-Quick. Then it must contain oil of bitter almonds, which smells the same as benzaldehyde. I am anxious to try it but will have to wait for warmer weather. I salute you for your sample promotion and hope it is as good as you say. Article 28456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A7A251E.FC73528F@honeyroad.com> From: workerbee@honeyroad.com Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage - http://www.honeyroad.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? References: <9q5k7tknrinfq5q9penqfkjp2gmm1rl2q7@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 03:11:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.190.1 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 981083485 209.226.190.1 (Thu, 01 Feb 2001 22:11:25 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 22:11:25 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28456 A nail board may help. Hammer nails through a peice of plywood or 1" board, in a grid pattern, about 2" apart. The skunk is vulnerable on its belly to stings, this way it cant lie in front. The other is to raise the hive about 8+" up off the ground, the skunk will have to stand on its hind legs then, and again be vulnerable. Allen Banks Honey Road Apiaries Zebra wrote: > My sister is a beekeeper and told me skunks have discovered her hives. > They scratch the front na dht eguard bees come out to see what's going > on and get eaten. Apparently they can't sting thru the fur or are > just too sluggish in winter. Any suggestions for her? She is in > Indiana. > TIA, Liz Article 28457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!vanc01m10-12.bctel.CA!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:03:21 -0700 Lines: 56 Message-ID: <95dbjt$gfna5$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> <2r7k7t0jaq7vh06on1r674l1lkeljt4ah7@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vanc01m10-12.bctel.ca (209.53.228.12) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 981086654 17292613 209.53.228.12 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28457 > >> I have just received my sample of Bee-Quick from Dadant's, > >> and it smells to me like it is mostly benzaldehyde. > > > >There is no benzaldehyde in Bee-Quick. > > Then it must contain oil of bitter almonds, which smells the same as benzaldehyde. I am anxious to try it... The other day I was talking to the buyer at our co-op and he chanced to comment on this very product, saying that they had put it through tests and that it smelled like benzaldehyde and looked the same as benzaldehyde on the gas chromatograph, but had a much higher spike. In fact he said the spike was so high it went right off the top. He had therefore concluded that the product must be essentially benzaldehyde and could leave residues that would be judged to be benzaldehyde by honey buyers. He therefore had decided against purchasing it for resale to beekeepers. Inasmuch as his supplies sales service area covers 1/3 of all the honey production in Canada, and is linked to another quarter or so he is a significant buyer, and influential. Since our co-op operates a pretty good honey lab and markets honey worldwide, it is very sensitive to any product that could contaminate honey and result in condemned or returned shipments. They now advise us as to smoker fuels to avoid and of practices that can lead to honey contamination. Products like Liquid Smoke are verboten and N-butyric anhydride is now getting very careful scrutiny. Benzaldehde is also a cause of worry. After reading the post this morning by James Fischer denying =any= benzaldehyde content (I would assume this denial applies to natural source oil of almonds) and referring us to a credible-looking web page where we are told that the product will not produce residues in honey, I remembered that chance conversation and called the buyer to ask for more detail. He seemed interested and will certainly take another look. Nonetheless the problem with packers, inspectors and consumers looking for and finding things -- even benign substances in minuscule quantities -- in honey and other foods is a problem we all need to take very seriously. I don't know where things will wind up as food analysis gets more and more sophisticated. It is at the point now where even the background natural constituents of totally natural honey are being questioned. I wonder if the subtlety of detection techniques has now taken us beyond the wisdom available to those applying them. I'll be interested to see how this product works out, because we all need a safe, effective repellent. I refuse to us N-butyric anhydride, and a good repellent could save me a lot of time, since we are now using abandonment almost exclusively. Nonetheless, I'll afraid to buy a product that has not been endorsed by our provincial and federal regulators and by my largest buyer. The mystery with regard to the ingredients and lack of official endorsement currently prohibits our using Bee-Quick, but I will be hoping that this product will prove effective and be approved. allen Article 28458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!165.113.238.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Date: 1 Feb 2001 20:21:09 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 19 Message-ID: <95dcjl01n5r@drn.newsguy.com> References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> <2r7k7t0jaq7vh06on1r674l1lkeljt4ah7@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-956.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28458 Mark said: > Then it must contain oil of bitter almonds, Nope, wrong again. > which smells the same as benzaldehyde. Could it be possible that everything smells different to you, perhaps from inhaling too much Bee-Go? :) > I am anxious to try it but will have > to wait for warmer weather. I salute > you for your sample promotion and > hope it is as good as you say. Thanks! Article 28459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Date: 1 Feb 2001 21:25:40 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 123 Message-ID: <95dgck024ig@drn.newsguy.com> References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> <2r7k7t0jaq7vh06on1r674l1lkeljt4ah7@4ax.com> <95dbjt$gfna5$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-436.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28459 Allen Dick said: > on the gas chromatograph, but had a much higher spike. > In fact he said the spike was so high it went right > off the top. Yes, it has a very good "spike". It has an impossibly good spike. That should be a big fat clue to your chemist. > and could leave residues Well, so can Apistan if it is misused. Do they reject Apistan using the same logic? If not, why not? Nearly anything that is not a bee, including a smoker, carries the risk of detectable honey contamination if misused. The issue of residues is a difficult one to address, since everyone fears that their prudent use might result in the same contamination that was detected as a result of mis-use. No matter how many controlled tests one might do, people will still be paranoid, perhaps rightly so. All we can do is ask people to give it a try. We expect that the much smaller amount required to drive the bees, and the shorter exposure time that the fume board spends on the hive will reduce the chance of contamination to near zero. > Since our co-op operates a pretty good honey > lab and markets honey worldwide, it is very > sensitive to any product that could contaminate > honey and result in condemned or returned shipments. > They now advise us as to smoker fuels to avoid and > of practices that can lead to honey contamination. What do they say about PDB and honey comb? There's some serious contamination to worry about, and there are existing legit studies to prove that the contamination is real and common. > Products like Liquid Smoke are verboten and N-butyric > anhydride is now getting very careful scrutiny. > Benzaldehde is also a cause of worry. Well, then you are then stuck with blowing bees. No, wait... you can't do that - you will have possible contamination by 2-Cycle engine fumes! Gosh, is all of Canada stuck with shaking and brushing, or stumbling around in the dark over hoped-to-be "abandoned" supers? >I remembered that chance conversation and called the >buyer to ask for more detail. He seemed interested >and will certainly take another look. We'd love to speak with him too. If nothing else, it looks like that lab might become the sight of a showdown/bakeoff between the three products. >Nonetheless the problem with packers, inspectors and >consumers looking for and finding things -- even >benign substances in minuscule quantities -- in >honey and other foods is a problem we all need to take >very seriously. I don't know where things will wind up >as food analysis gets more and more sophisticated. >It is at the point now where even the background natural >constituents of totally natural honey are being questioned. >I wonder if the subtlety of detection techniques has >now taken us beyond the wisdom available to those >applying them. A very astute point. For example, I could make the case that my fireplace is a massive risk to health and the safety of my entire family, as follows: Wood is cellulose, and burning it will produce "loose" carbons and four hydrogens, making methane. Two carbons and 6 hydrogens can chance together to form ethane. Three carbons and 8 hydrogens form propane. Four carbons and 10 hydrogens is butane. Five carbons is pentane, 6 is hexane, 7 makes heptane. Eight carbons and 18 hydrogens is octane. All are produced when I burn a simple log in the fire. What am I burning? In a chemist's view, GASOLINE!!! Oh dear, will my fireplace explode like a car wreck in the movies? No, but this is exactly the thought process I see being applied to nearly everything. One wonders how the human race survived before all the "safety specialists" came along. >I'll be interested to see how this product works out, >because we all need a safe, effective repellent. If your lab would do a test, they might be surprised at how little is required to drive bees, and might thereby be able to say that it is "safe when used prudently", or at least "safer than other repellent options available". >Nonetheless, I'll afraid to buy a product that has >not been endorsed by our provincial and federal >regulators The plan was to take things "one country at a time", and work with each regulatory scheme in turn. To be honest, we are slogging through the European Union regulations now, and would love an excuse to quit for a while. But we'd love to work with your lab, to support their efforts. Contact me off-list please, if you wish to discuss it further. jim Article 28460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!vanc01m05-67.bctel.CA!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 05:32:00 -0700 Lines: 96 Message-ID: <95e998$g2b60$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> <2r7k7t0jaq7vh06on1r674l1lkeljt4ah7@4ax.com> <95dbjt$gfna5$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <95dgck024ig@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vanc01m05-67.bctel.ca (207.102.216.67) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 981117033 16854208 207.102.216.67 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28460 `> > and could leave residues > > Well, so can Apistan if it is misused. > Do they reject Apistan using the same logic? > If not, why not? Apistan has known constituents and is also considered essential for bee survival at this time -- a necessary evil. Moreover I have not heard of Apistan residues in honey leading to rejection of product in spite of its widespread use -- and misuse. > All we can do is ask people to give it a try. > We expect that the much smaller amount required > to drive the bees, and the shorter exposure > time that the fume board spends on the hive > will reduce the chance of contamination to > near zero. Good` Once that is verified by independant testers, we will have confidence in the product. > What do they say about PDB and honey comb? There's > some serious contamination to worry about, and there > are existing legit studies to prove that the contamination > is real and common. We don't use it in this part of Canada. We have COLD winters > > Products like Liquid Smoke are verboten and N-butyric > > anhydride is now getting very careful scrutiny. > > Benzaldehde is also a cause of worry. > Gosh, is all of Canada stuck with shaking > and brushing, or stumbling around in the dark over > hoped-to-be "abandoned" supers? No, Butyric is commonly used, but has recently been found in unacceptable amounts in some honey, leading to product rejection. (Misuse of the product was the established cause). Abandonment is a very good technique and works very well for us. Often bees are gone in minutes, However at the end of the season it may be poor, and at other times, we may find need to clean up with a blower. Abandonment leaves NO residues. We would possibly continue to use it some of the time even if a good repellant is available. There are some costs and inconveniences with any technique, including repellants. Each method has its place and a time when it is better than alternatives. One problem I have with butyric, even besides the offensive smell, is its effect on my breathing when I have used it. It attacks my lungs and is\most uncomfortable for me to use. What is the effect of breathing concentrated Bee-Quick on humans? Is it documented? FWIW, I happened to check out phenol in my research of this topic today and was amazed at how toxic and potentially deadly it was. We used it in a most cavalier fashion years ago. > We'd love to speak with him too. If nothing else, > it looks like that lab might become the sight of > a showdown/bakeoff between the three products. This may well happen. We all hope the best for any new product. > If your lab would do a test, they might be surprised > at how little is required to drive bees, and might > thereby be able to say that it is "safe when used > prudently", or at least "safer than other repellent > options available". This will have to be field proven over this coming season. Not knowing what the potential contaminents are will continue to be a problem, however. > >Nonetheless, I'll afraid to buy a product that has > >not been endorsed by our provincial and federal > >regulators > > The plan was to take things "one country at a time", > and work with each regulatory scheme in turn. To be > honest, we are slogging through the European Union > regulations now, and would love an excuse to quit > for a while. Europeans are important customers and also the big sticklers on potential residues. Getting their blessing would certainly assist in getting acceptance for use in Canada. > But we'd love to work with your lab, > to support their efforts. Contact me off-list Have done so. allen Article 28461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 15:09:03 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: <95eii7$t4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.182 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Feb 02 15:09:03 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x54.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.182 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28461 In article <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net>, Chad Howell wrote: ...That's how it was explained to me by my doc. He said the > Epi Pen may help to reduce the swelling next time. Although there shouldn't be a next time because I learned a valuable lesson. ALWAYS WEAR A VEIL, no matter what the temp is. Dear Chad, There are some things about this discussion that trouble me. First of all you can be sure there will be a next time if you continue working with bees. A determined bee can get to you no matter what so you might as well count on it. Second, I share Al's concern that the Epi Pen is not the right treatment for swelling. It is to prevent anaphylactic shock. Swelling is a normal reaction to bee stings and the only way to avoid it that I have found is to get more stings, lot's of 'em. Once you get enough stings you won't have to be concerned about swelling anymore. Just a small bump at the site of the sting and it goes away in an hour or so. My first sting in 1998 was on a finger and my hand and arm swelled up at least three times normal size. I couldn't use that hand for a week and it was extremely painful. Similar in 1999 on the other arm but somewhat less swelling. So I set out to become immune to bee stings by getting plenty of stings. Yesterday I got stung twice on the head and can't even tell where they were today. Sincerely, Herb NW Fla vasak@aol.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 15:24:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 43 Message-ID: <95ejf7$1si$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> <3A7A118D.162547A@mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.182 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Feb 02 15:24:34 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x54.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.182 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28462 In article <3A7A118D.162547A@mediaone.net>, Barry Meltzer wrote: > I guess my biggest concern is about my kids and wife. Do I, as a hobbyist with 2 > hives in the back yard expose them to enough 'stuff' to sensitize them? I get stung > once in a while and from prior threads, this should keep me in good shape. > > We are getting the Epi-Pens anyway, but I was just wondering how careful I should be > about them. While I don't think they would be too fond of getting intentionally > stung, we could get them tested. In general, I would rather not inflict an unneeded > allergy on them if I could help it. > > Thanks, > Barry > Dear Barry, There are many unknowns about what causes some family members of beekeepers to become allergic. I think your choice to get the Epi Pens and keep them handy is the best you can do. I wasn't able to get the pens last year but got bee kits for the same reason. I got enough stings early in my beekeeping experience to discover that I was not allergic to them. But there does seem to be some danger to family members, even for hobbyists. Of course I believe the least expensive insurance against anaphylactic shock is to get plenty of bee stings. But you're right!! We are not likely to be able to talk our family members into that. Hmmmmm, hey Charlie!! When you get more information about bee venom in sperm see if you can find out what would happen if both husband and wife are getting stings. I wonder if babies would be born immune to stings, or would they go into anaphylactic shock in the womb? Herb NW Fla USA vasak@aol.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newscore.gigabell.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!vanc01m10-18.bctel.CA!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:43:43 -0700 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <95ekgq$gqaub$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> <3A7A118D.162547A@mediaone.net> <95ejf7$1si$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vanc01m10-18.bctel.ca (209.53.228.18) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 981128539 17640395 209.53.228.18 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28463 > Of course I believe the least expensive insurance against > anaphylactic shock is to get plenty of bee stings... My understanding is that there is a tiny but real chance that anyone can have an anaphylactic reaction regardless of beesting history. Moreover, having had one such reaction is not an absolute predictor of future reactions -- or lack thereof. Even many allergists do not understand the intricacies of this reaction. allen Article 28464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Lines: 83 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 17:25:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.160.65 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 981134732 209.30.160.65 (Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:25:32 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:25:32 CST Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28464 Well said James. I applaud you for giving away samples to test. (hmmm... Bee-Go as a "wife-repellent". Haven't thought about that one.) Robert James Fischer wrote in message news:95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com... > Mark said: > > > I have just received my sample of Bee-Quick from Dadant's, > > and it smells to me like it is mostly benzaldehyde. > > There is no benzaldehyde in Bee-Quick. > > But thanks for the complement. We worked hard to make > it smell "familiar" to experienced beekeepers. > > > I was somewhat disappointed in this, since Bee-Go is > > superior to benzaldehyde. > > If you try it, you will find that Bee-Quick is superior to > both of the others at all temperature ranges, and works far > below the useful temp range of the others. You can read all > about it at http://www.bee-quick.com > > > Furthermore, I did not find the odor of Bee-Quick to > > be an improvement over Bee-Go or benzaldehyde. > > Any comments > > If your nose cannot detect much difference between > Bee-Quick and benzaldehyde, then no one would expect > you to be able to detect any "improvement". > Of the over 700 free samples handed out in 2001, > you are the first to offer this view. All other > opinions have been very positive. > > But Bee-Go??? We have yet to meet anyone who could name > ANYTHING that smelled worse than Bee-Go! For example, > here is the opinion of Dr. James Tew of Ohio State about > the smell of Bee-Go (from Bee Culture, Oct 2000, full text > at http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/00oct/00oct5.html) > > "The bouquet of this repellent is similar to that of > human infant up-chuck and seems to have a half-life > of several thousand years. Bees are repelled by the > smell. I am repelled by the smell. Neighbors are > repelled by the smell... For odiferous reasons, > don't get this chemical on you. Don't put Bee-Go > containers in your truck cab. Don't store it inside > a building you care about." > > But, your own sense of smell is not something you > can change, so ignoring personal "odor" preferences, > all I can offer is: > > a) Bee-Quick does not require expensive Haz-Mat > shipping fees. The other two do. > > b) Unlike the other two, Bee-Quick is non-toxic. > No gloves or goggles required. > > c) You can test for yourself which "works better". > > d) Bee-Quick washes off with water. Bee-Go simply > won't wash off! (Married? Wanna STAY married?) > > e) If you are not completely satisfied, return it > for a full refund, just like the label says. > (But, wait... yours was a FREE sample.) > > f) Why don't you try it in the apiary before > you decide? > > Gosh, don't we get any points for handing out free > samples so that you can make up your mind at > OUR expense? Try getting free samples from "the > other guys"! > > jim > Article 28465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 13:42:59 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A7AFFB3.98914D30@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9q5k7tknrinfq5q9penqfkjp2gmm1rl2q7@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28465 Hi Liz, Allen has some good points. I use chicken wire placed along the ground infront of the hives. I've accomplished this both ways. By suspending it an inch or so off the ground using stakes or by simply rolling it up and anchoring is in front if the entrance. The skunks don't seem to like to put their paws in the wire, this gives the bees a chance to counter attack. It also prevents them from rolling the bees in the dirt. I haven't had a problem since. Kent Stienburg Article 28466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: update pages Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:32:50 -0500 Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.64.229 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.64.229 Message-ID: <3a7b1859_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 2 Feb 2001 15:28:09 -0500, 64.208.64.229 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.64.229 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28466 Greetings! Ok..so I am bored and needed to not think about the snow. So,I have added more interesting(?) pages. Topics: How to Extract Wax from Combs How to Care for Nuclei Articles written:1920 Sometimes,we(Norma/Herb) believe the old way is just as good as the "new" way of beekeeping. http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/tips.html Enjoy! Norma Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Betty's Driftwood Santa Site http://pages.ivillage.com/santasite/index.html Article 28467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.25!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 17:06:09 -0600 Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net> <95eii7$t4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.25 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 981155171 17284381 216.167.138.25 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28467 Herb in NW Florida said: > A determined bee can get to you no matter what so >you might as well count on it. A determined beekeeper that has a good suit (one piece) and takes extra precautions regarding the hood flopping around and wearing sting proof gloves like nitrile or similar and taking care to secure the ankles around 'high top' boots, can probably go for years and never be stung. If it were possible to enter a contest to see if a beekeeper could be suited up to an extent that it was 'certified' by a panel of 'experts,' that indeed it was 'impossible' to be stung, kitted out in such a way, I would enter this contest. As Americans of course we know this is not going to happen because of hovering litigation and all those science fiction films where the military assured us nothing would go wrong, then it did. Still, unless one was absolutely sure one would have an anaphylactic reaction if stung by a bee, and one still was determined to mess around with bees, then I think with modern fabrics and superior bee suit designs and Epi-Pen at the ready and all the planets being aligned and everything else being equal, one might as well keep bees until one was stung and either swelled up and died, or was indeed saved by a ready Epi-Pen injection, only to keep bees another day. As a 'religious' beekeeper I think this attitude is still better if not 'heroic' than say, dying at work, in some senseless way one hears about on the news, or on the way to work, smushed by that SUV, or hit by lightening playing golf or other pointless activities. Besides, your life can't be that important; forgetaboutit and live. Then Herb ask: > Hmmmmm, hey Charlie!! When you get more information about bee >venom in sperm see if you can find out what would happen if both >husband and wife are getting stings. I wonder if babies would be born >immune to stings, or would they go into anaphylactic shock in the womb? Think about it Herb..almost always, only one sperm gets through, this is quite the contrast to 'millions' swimming around carrying venom related genetic material. If the mother is resistant to bee stings, the baby will be too; same blood, same antibodies, good ol' mom. Allen Dick said: >My understanding is that there is a tiny but real chance that anyone can >have an anaphylactic reaction regardless of beesting history. This is the thing, one has to only read the definition of 'anaphylactic shock' which clearly states: A severe and rapid and sometimes fatal hypersensitivity reaction to a substance (especially a vaccine or penicillin or shellfish or insect venom) to which the organism (that's you) has become sensitized by previous exposure Sensitized by 'previous' exposure. Remember what your mom said: life is a banana peel, so enjoy it everyday. C.K. Article 28468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A7B5C0E.61174266@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net> <95eii7$t4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9489970F60696F936C2AB88E" Lines: 111 X-Trace: /wsUgMQplM8VkHjWzbaWf7mWwAHXV7RfX+0hAg/zHj49A5gUqt7ETsCwRN126QzrM0JONW7GMbDq!tkFP4oGA7Cgz6p9yzqnJSfim+9yDCRL6LA/1wZ63B/vky+QfkjEYWHWtM/37s0o= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 01:16:40 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 01:16:40 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28468 --------------9489970F60696F936C2AB88E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Herb- First of all I probably would not have been stung in the head if I would have been wearing my veil. That was my mistake. As for the Epi Pen helping with swelling, my doctor said it may help. What's wrong with being prepared in case I or someone helping me with my bee chores gets stung and goes into shock. The few bucks for the injector is well worth the protection it may give. And as for injecting myself or anyone else for a sting in the hand, arm, leg etc. isn't going to happen unless symptoms of shock appear. You're right stings are a part of the business and I accept that but if I ever get stung in the face again,God forbid, you can damn well bet I'll stick myself with the injector. Chad hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net>, > Chad Howell wrote: > ...That's how it was explained to me by my doc. He said the > > Epi Pen may help to reduce the swelling next time. Although there > shouldn't be a next time because I learned a valuable lesson. ALWAYS > WEAR A VEIL, no matter what the temp is. > > Dear Chad, > > There are some things about this discussion that trouble me. First > of all you can be sure there will be a next time if you continue > working with bees. A determined bee can get to you no matter what so > you might as well count on it. > > Second, I share Al's concern that the Epi Pen is not the right > treatment for swelling. It is to prevent anaphylactic shock. Swelling > is a normal reaction to bee stings and the only way to avoid it that I > have found is to get more stings, lot's of 'em. Once you get enough > stings you won't have to be concerned about swelling anymore. Just a > small bump at the site of the sting and it goes away in an hour or so. > My first sting in 1998 was on a finger and my hand and arm swelled up > at least three times normal size. I couldn't use that hand for a week > and it was extremely painful. Similar in 1999 on the other arm but > somewhat less swelling. So I set out to become immune to bee stings by > getting plenty of stings. Yesterday I got stung twice on the head and > can't even tell where they were today. > > Sincerely, > Herb NW Fla vasak@aol.com > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/ --------------9489970F60696F936C2AB88E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Herb-
First of all I probably would not have been stung in the head if I would have been wearing my veil. That was my mistake.
As for the Epi Pen helping with swelling, my doctor said it may help. What's wrong with being prepared in case I or someone helping me with my bee chores gets stung and goes into shock. The few bucks for the injector is well worth the protection it may give. And as for injecting myself or anyone else for a sting in the hand, arm, leg etc. isn't going to happen unless symptoms of shock appear. You're right stings are a part of the business and I accept that but if I ever get stung in the face again,God forbid, you can damn well bet I'll stick myself with the injector.
Chad

hcampb@my-deja.com wrote:

In article <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net>,
  Chad Howell <res03ge6@gte.net> wrote:
...That's how it was explained to me by my doc. He said the
> Epi Pen may help to reduce the swelling next time. Although there
shouldn't be a next time because I learned a valuable lesson. ALWAYS
WEAR A VEIL, no matter what the temp is.

Dear Chad,

   There are some things about this discussion that trouble me. First
of all you can be sure there will be a next time if you continue
working with bees. A determined bee can get to you no matter what so
you might as well count on it.

   Second, I share Al's concern that the Epi Pen is not the right
treatment for swelling. It is to prevent anaphylactic shock. Swelling
is a normal reaction to bee stings and the only way to avoid it that I
have found is to get more stings, lot's of 'em. Once you get enough
stings you won't have to be concerned about swelling anymore. Just a
small bump at the site of the sting and it goes away in an hour or so.
My first sting in 1998 was on a finger and my hand and arm swelled up
at least three times normal size. I couldn't use that hand for a week
and it was extremely painful. Similar in 1999 on the other arm but
somewhat less swelling. So I set out to become immune to bee stings by
getting plenty of stings. Yesterday I got stung twice on the head and
can't even tell where they were today.

Sincerely,
       Herb        NW Fla          vasak@aol.com

Sent via Deja.com
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--------------9489970F60696F936C2AB88E-- Article 28469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A7B9F9B.DBB54210@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net> <95eii7$t4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A7B5C0E.61174266@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 22:05:15 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 981172637 208.235.28.10 (Fri, 02 Feb 2001 22:57:17 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 22:57:17 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28469 Chad Howell wrote: > > And as for > injecting myself or anyone else for a sting in the hand, arm, leg etc. > isn't going to happen unless symptoms of shock appear. You're right > stings are a part of the business and I accept that but if I ever get > stung in the face again,God forbid, you can damn well bet I'll stick > myself with the injector. Hey Chad, You said you wouldn't stick yourself *unless* symptoms of shock appear but, then you said if you get stung in the face you'll "damn well" stick yourself. Your reasoning has me confused - you seem to be equating a fat head to shock. Shocking as your fat head may have looked, you haven't described any symptoms that would warrant dumping a load of epinephrine into your system. Have you ever taken on a load of epinephrine? Are you sure a fat head justifies the risk of a possible reaction to the EpiPen? Did you ask your Dr. about Benedryl and ice as a less drastic treatment for the swelling & itching. AL Article 28470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.87!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 22:49:31 -0600 Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net> <95eii7$t4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A7B5C0E.61174266@gte.net> <3A7B9F9B.DBB54210@midwest.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.87 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 981175774 17725487 216.167.138.87 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28470 AL ask: >Have you ever taken on a load of epinephrine? Epinephrine, a catecholamine, together with norepinephrine, is secreted principally by the medulla of the adrenal gland. Heightened secretion caused perhaps by fear or anger, will result in increased heart rate and the hydrolysis of glycogen to glucose. This reaction, often called the “fight or flight” response, prepares the body for strenuous activity. The hormone was first extracted (1901) from the adrenal glands of animals by Jokichi Takamine; it was synthesized (1904) by Friedrich Stolz. Epinephrine is used medicinally as a stimulant in cardiac arrest, as a vasoconstrictor in shock, as a bronchodilator and antispasmodic in bronchial asthma, and to lower intra-ocular pressure in the treatment of glaucoma. >Are you sure a fat head justifies the risk of a possible reaction to the EpiPen? What risk is there in taking this naturally occurring substance? (adrenaline) >Benedryl Antihistamines are used to relieve or prevent the symptoms of hay fever and other types of allergy. These can be itching, sneezing, runny nose, or watery eyes. A head that was 'swelled up like a balloon' doesn't fit the description of the above symptoms. I think a shot of 'Epinephrine' was the correct procedure. At least it would have induced a sense of well being, and that's always welcome. I'm not a doctor but I enjoy playing one on newsgroups. C.K. Article 28471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Date: 2 Feb 2001 19:59:39 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 26 Message-ID: <95fvnb01fmk@drn.newsguy.com> References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-813.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28471 Robert said: > Well said James. I applaud you for giving > away samples to test. Well, it is one small incentive to get people to attend their state bee association meetings... the least we can do, given that we hope to make an actual profit someday. > (hmmm... Bee-Go as a "wife-repellent". > Haven't thought about that one.) Hold on now... we would not wish that fate on ANYONE. Anything would be more humane than giving her a bottle of "Ode-du-Bee-Go" as a gift of "perfume". ...and if you did that, you'd have to burn the house down to get rid of the smell! :) Here's a blantant commerical plug that would have gotten me banned from the 'net for life in 1978 -> http://www.bee-quick.com Article 28472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? Date: 2 Feb 2001 20:16:34 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 25 Message-ID: <95g0n201jsr@drn.newsguy.com> References: <9q5k7tknrinfq5q9penqfkjp2gmm1rl2q7@4ax.com> <3A7A251E.FC73528F@honeyroad.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-919.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28472 workerbee@honeyroad.com says... > A nail board may help. Hammer nails through > a peice of plywood or 1" board, in a grid > pattern, about 2" apart. One can obtain "carpet tack strips" from carpet installers dirt cheap/free. Same approach and concept as above, but ready-made and easy to attach to the front edge of the landing board where little paws are sure to be probing. This is much more humane than putting things on the ground, where the skunk might impale a paw, or get tangled in things like chicken wire. Works great, too. Two screws, easy on, and easy off when you want to move the hive. I don't want to kill ANY of God's creatures, I just want them to leave the bees be! james Article 28473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Scott Franklin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees gone, ants moved in and honey stores left behind Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:52:56 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <95ct7b$m52$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28473 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:247 Thanks for the advice...that will help greatly. Article 28474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? Date: 3 Feb 2001 04:45:20 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 48 Message-ID: <95guh001i01@drn.newsguy.com> References: <95g0n201jsr@drn.newsguy.com> <28111-3A7B9CA2-127@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-747.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28474 Ray Morgan said, on the subject of skunks: >What I do is catch them in a body gripping >trap, then go out and shoot them with a >shotgun. Then Gods creatures will leave >my Bees alone. Just a breath of reality. Wow, talk about "defense of the hive"!!! What do you do about bears? Machine gun nests? Land mines? Tarzan-style pits with sharp pointed sticks at the bottom? Perhaps a lovingly-reconditioned army-surplus Sherman tank? May we assume that you are a member of PETA ("People Eating Tasty Animals") rather than PETA ("People For the Ethical Treatment of Animals")? I thought about making a skunk, mouse, possum, and bear repellent based upon our success with Bee-Quick (http://www.bee-quick.com), but after some thought, realized that: a) Skunks would be a difficult to drive off with any odor less horrible than the skunk itself. b) Possum would be difficult subjects to test, since they would always "play possum" at the first sign of a threat. c) Our farm cats ("Thing One", "Thing Two", and, of course, "The Cat In The Hat") do a fine job chasing off the mice and voles, and even catch catch one now and again, so we'd have to import mice for testing. (Sad... I don't understand why evolution has not produced 30mph mice yet...) d) As for bears, lets just say that we simply cannot bear to test this scenario on any of our hives. jim Article 28475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: gobow@webtv.net (Ray Morgan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:52:34 -0800 (PST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <28111-3A7B9CA2-127@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <95g0n201jsr@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUApnzvtH6jwIeb1ECaiUNJLVcbyqgCFA4+gjjXnoj6d+h7spYH4NcJnx1q Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28475 What I do is catch them in a body gripping trap, then go out and shoot them with a shotgun. Then Gods creatures will leave my Bees alone. Just a breath of reality. Ray Article 28476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee problem Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:53:26 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <95hr44$kp1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A79D1ED.A5C8B7CD@clemson.edu> <20010201191639.27991.00000232@ng-fx1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.201.52 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Feb 03 20:53:26 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.201.52 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28476 In article <20010201191639.27991.00000232@ng-fx1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > >What i'm looking for is the product that smells like vomit. That's all I need, don't worry about anything else :) > > Thanks again, > > Charlie > > > > I won't mince words with you. > You asked people who care about bees and care about your safety. > You recieved good advice. > The chemical you are looking for won't do the job. > Stop being an idiot. > > Tom > Way to go, Tom!! I was thinking some similar thoughts but you have worded them more sweetly than I would have. I hope Charlie is not too offended to let us know what happens. :-) Sincerely, Herb NW Florida USA vasak@aol.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Update notification about the beekeeping software Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 13:15:16 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 35 Message-ID: <95jgns$dpe$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip79.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 981288508 14126 195.249.242.79 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28477 I know a lot are trying out my software, and I am happy that I can do a job as a benefit for the beekeeprs around and maybe for the beekeeping. Now and then I am making mistakes in my programming but there are no report of crashing computers. The last I have put up this night is tested by me on old databases, new databases with new fields and it took me five hours work to do this testing. I am now convienced that the software is without serious errors. To help you getting information on new updates you can send an email to mailto:update@apimo.dk?subject=please send update notifications You will not be spammed by me and this will save this list from iformation about new things, errors I have made/fixed and so on. the bidata now comprises the barcode generator, backup/restore facilities expanded queen edit facilities, bulk adding of data for some tasks and more. -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1987 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 now with multiselction and coloring. Now chatroom for beekeeping installed. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.183!nnrp5-w.sbc.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Tromploi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for a swarm of bees Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 08:40:21 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: nnrp5-w.sbc.net 981304940 63.197.142.62 (Sun, 04 Feb 2001 08:42:20 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 08:42:20 PST Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28478 I'm looking for any "bee" graphics,,,,but most particularly, "bee swarm". Can you point me into the right direction? Thanks Article 28479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Feb 2001 22:18:44 GMT References: <3a795584.209508897@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: bee problem Message-ID: <20010204171844.03137.00000828@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28479 Even if you did get the hive to leave...Guess what the next swarm that comes along will set up shop there unless you get all the comb out or ctu down the tree.... the best way is to let a beekeeper come and take the bees out for you.... Article 28480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Feb 2001 22:35:38 GMT References: <94v37n$dqh$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Electric wire embedder Message-ID: <20010204173538.03137.00000840@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28480 I want to build one a electric wire embedder, what the hell you can all kind of transformers at radio shack.... all I need is somebody to give me plans to do so... is there anybody out here that has built one? Article 28481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for a swarm of bees Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 00:02:37 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 18 Message-ID: <95krbq$23p$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip109.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 981332154 2169 195.249.242.109 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28481 I Have one. Three swarms in the same tree close to ground. -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1987 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 now with multiselction and coloring. Now chatroom for beekeeping installed. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 05 Feb 2001 03:00:50 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Looking for a swarm of bees Message-ID: <20010204220050.02968.00000048@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28482 From: "Tromploi" s_kimbro@pacbell.net >I'm looking for any "bee" graphics,,,,but most particularly, "bee swarm". >Can you point me into the right direction? Look at the slide show on hiving a swarm at the page below. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <94v37n$dqh$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <20010204173538.03137.00000840@ng-fe1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Electric wire embedder Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: paradise.net.nz customer Message-ID: <981346755.390887@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-75-27.ipn4.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:15:32 +1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 981346755 203.96.152.26 (Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:19:15 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:19:15 NZDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28483 I just bought a battery charger. It had the alligator clips on the end of the wires and does the job magnificantly. Perhaps you purchase one of these. No building. Just plug it in and you're away! Cheers Liz (Auckland, NZ) "JPA555" wrote in message news:20010204173538.03137.00000840@ng-fe1.aol.com... > I want to build one a electric wire embedder, what the hell you can all kind of > transformers at radio shack.... all I need is somebody to give me plans to do > so... is there anybody out here that has built one? Article 28484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jduncan57@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 04:38:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 65 Message-ID: <95laol$ver$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.62.36 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Feb 05 04:38:44 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 12.79.62.36 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjduncan57 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28484 In article <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com>, ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com wrote: > >Does this phenomenon occur with hobbyist beekeepers as well as > >commercial ones? > > Yes, and the worst allergic reaction is: > > anaphylactic shock > > A severe and rapid and sometimes fatal hypersensitivity reaction to a > substance (especially a vaccine or penicillin or shellfish or insect venom) to > which the organism (that's you) has become sensitized by previous exposure > > note: 'sensitized by previous exposure.' > > If you're worried carry one of those 'kits.' In the USA, a doctor has to > prescribe it, and it will cost about as much as the office call probably in > the range of 100 USD plus, the last I looked; if you live close to Canada or > Mexico, go to either of those places instead, why be a sap. > > I've been interested in this phenomenon of bee venom in male sperm and the > dangers it apparently poses to sexual partners that may be 'allergic' to bee > stings. I'm in correspondence with a woman who's married to a California > 'commercial' beekeeper that used to get stung a lot (hundreds of times a year) > and she developed anaphylaxis, almost dying and the doctor(s) couldn't figure > it out until they investigated the possibilities and peculiarities regarding > her husband and his excessive bee stings. When I know more I'll post the > results. > > C.K. > The best answer that I have read for the cause was some where on the Net in the last year. The theory is that the spouse develops a higher incidence of allergies from handling the beekeepers protection gear. The spouse is the one who typically washes them and comes in contact with any bee venom on them and this causes her body's immune system to become over sensitive. I have seen on a nature show a similar explanation for people who milk the venom from poisonous snakes and come in contact with venom on their skin. They are far more sensitive to a bite when they do get an accidental hit. Unless they have been bitten several times to build up immunity. Simple solution, I wash and handle my gear and no one else in the family unless they handle bees and get several stings that build up immunity against an allergic reaction. A good explanation on bee stings is in George Imirie's Articles at: www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/articles.html Scroll down to Bee Stings. John Duncan Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.ind.net!portal.bsu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A7EF53C.FFE78864@bsu.edu> From: Dale Scheidler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Bee And Overwintering References: <3A79BEE3.5A9E4620@bsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:47:24 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.50 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 981398680 147.226.103.50 (Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:44:40 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:44:40 EST Organization: Ball St. U. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28485 Dale Scheidler wrote: > Will a hive overwinter without a queen? I keep 20 colonies in Indiana > and lost one hive. This hive seemed to not cluster like the others when > inspected in November before it got cold. Whether queenless or not I do > not know for sure. > Thanks, > Dale The one dead colony was opened and it appears that the cluster did not migrate down to the box below full of honey. The top box had all the honey consumed. It may have too cold for this cluster to move. Indiana has had prolonged cold temperatures this winter. Thank you, Dale Article 28486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Divin_In@webtv.net (Jimmy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: First Year of Beekeeping! Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:18:13 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 12 Message-ID: <11252-3A7F0A85-15@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQeiBpoJQY5x48r5vmkc3Meij74ogIVAKMmkQJ7lvFOFZSlRYgWJr9eMjij Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!news.spies.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28486 Hi Guys, My first year of beekeeping is over. I opened the hive today...curiosity got the best of me....and I noticed some queen cells on one frame. My queen is fine, and is laying. I just don't know what I'm supposed to do now...kill the queen? get rid of the cells? Help!! All information is greatly appreciated! Sincerely, Lis Article 28487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-ge.switch.ch!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for a swarm of bees Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:11:31 +0100 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 1056 Message-ID: <95n8g0$gbm8@news.vtx.ch> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-2-p36.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28487 How's this? last summer... 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