Article 31005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steverappolee@yahoo.com (steve rappolee) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hybridization in apias????? Date: 30 Jan 2002 19:57:41 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 2 Message-ID: <5d1b4cd2.0201301957.772a0807@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.103.48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1012449461 14879 127.0.0.1 (31 Jan 2002 03:57:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jan 2002 03:57:41 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31005 Has there been a recorded hybrids in any of the apias genus? steve Article 31006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Almond trees in full bloom. Date: 31 Jan 2002 14:32:34 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: <993fd181.0201311432.4ce92742@posting.google.com> References: <3c579442$1@news.airtel.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.172 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1012516354 10462 127.0.0.1 (31 Jan 2002 22:32:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jan 2002 22:32:34 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31006 "Airtel" wrote in message news:<3c579442$1@news.airtel.net>... > The season just started, the almond tree are in full bloom, > they are carrying plenty of pollen, there is plenty of activity. > (I suppose that you guy in southern California have the same > conditions). > > From Mallorca, Spain > > > Jose Matas. Maybe 2 more weeks till almonds start in northern Cal.so you are ahead of us. Mike Article 31007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "William C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbee asks, "Spearment oil & mite control?" Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: news5.uncensored-news.com Message-ID: <3c5a10ef_1@news5.uncensored-news.com> Organization: Uncensored-News.Com $9.95 Uncensored Newsgroups. X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@uncensored-news.com Send only the header of the offending post, DO NOT attach any file. X-Comment: NOTICE: Uncensored-News.Com does not condone, nor support, spam, illegal or copyrighted postings. X-T.O.S.: http://www.uncensored-news.com/terms.html Date: 1 Feb 2002 03:52:15 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!feed2.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31007 Has anybody heard about spearmint oil used to control mites and if so, what do you mix with it and how much? ______________________________________________________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com With NINE Servers In California And Texas - The Worlds Uncensored News Source Article 31008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: drezac@greenapple.com (Duane Rezac) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brewers Yeast Date: 1 Feb 2002 04:46:12 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7ec141c5.0202010446.2798837a@posting.google.com> References: <3pc58.82159$%b.4925289@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.18.4.233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1012567572 29599 127.0.0.1 (1 Feb 2002 12:46:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Feb 2002 12:46:12 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31008 "Me" wrote in message news:<3pc58.82159$%b.4925289@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>... > I'm looking for a source of Brewers Yeast in 25 to 50 lb. bags or drums. > Can anyone help me. I live in west Texas in the Midland Odessa area. > Lubbock is 95 miles north of me. > > Thanks > Mark Try one of the larger feed dealers or farm supply stores in your area - Brewers Yeast is used as a feed supplement. I was able to find 50lb bags of it at one of our local feed dealers when we needed to add it to our duck's feed. Duane Rezac drezac@greenapple.com Article 31009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brewers Yeast Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:08:33 -0500 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <3pc58.82159$%b.4925289@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> <7ec141c5.0202010446.2798837a@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1012568915 41232373 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31009 I've seen a product called diamond yeast used for cattle. It sales for about 20 dollars for 50lbs. -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "Duane Rezac" wrote in message news:7ec141c5.0202010446.2798837a@posting.google.com... > "Me" wrote in message news:<3pc58.82159$%b.4925289@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>... > > I'm looking for a source of Brewers Yeast in 25 to 50 lb. bags or drums. > > Can anyone help me. I live in west Texas in the Midland Odessa area. > > Lubbock is 95 miles north of me. > > > > Thanks > > Mark > > Try one of the larger feed dealers or farm supply stores in your area > - Brewers Yeast is used as a feed supplement. I was able to find 50lb > bags of it at one of our local feed dealers when we needed to add it > to our duck's feed. > > Duane Rezac > drezac@greenapple.com Article 31010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee asks, "Spearment oil & mite control?" Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:10:24 -0500 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3c5a10ef_1@news5.uncensored-news.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1012569026 40291022 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31010 There are all sorts of concoctions that people use. There are only a hand full of legal authorized medications. -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "William C" wrote in message news:3c5a10ef_1@news5.uncensored-news.com... > Has anybody heard about spearmint oil used to control mites and if so, what > do you mix with it and how much? > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com > With NINE Servers In California And Texas - The Worlds Uncensored News Source > Article 31011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Feb 2002 16:42:52 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: using sugar as a varroacide Message-ID: <20020201114252.14076.00000357@mb-mt.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31011 Hi all, Have used bayvarol in autumn last year. And if needed will treat for varroa again in spring. Anyone had any experience of dusting bees with icing sugar? Is it effective? Timing of treatment? Quantity of sugar? Any help much appreciated. Presumably will need an open mesh floor for it to work. Cheers Article 31012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:49:19 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 275 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p118.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1012594147 23240 203.96.192.246 (1 Feb 2002 20:09:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Feb 2002 20:09:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!203.96.216.22!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31012 Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:iif45u438r2n7bahp3tv0vk6c4sm0mo7cc@4ax.com... > >i do a search am > >confronted with 1,000's of websites, > >information explosion, brain implodes > >:) > > Hi Carmen as you say information overload, and where's >the wisdom? :) Perhaps potentially it is everywhere Hey Charlie apologies for taking so long to get back to this thread. > >Living in a country that is by comparison easier > >popular opinion here is that the US is > >land of priviledge and plenty it really gives cause to.. > > Only if you have money, and if you don't you're looked upon as being > morally disreputable, it's true. This was not what Jesus had in > mind at all. Can't see how moral reputation equates with money, in some cases quite the opposite is true. snip > >I guess that would have the effect of marketing to the masses ideas that the > >drugs being advertised are necessary to improve one's life. > > The ads tell the viewers 'they' are there, that's the thing. Of > course there's more, like showing happy pain free people (who > apparently have taken the drug) doing all the things they couldn't > do before. That seems to be the underlying message in advertising with all commodities, the notion buy it and life will be better. thanks for the comments on FDA and the processes involved, I've snipped to abbreviate > >Westinghouse > >haven't heard of that > > A very large corporation that makes a lot of 'consumer' goods like > fridges and washers, and 'consumer' electronics. Ahh yes I recall now, we do have Westinghouse fridges etc over here, but I hadn't heard of all the other industry that they are into. I like to buy NZ made, it is a good policy :) and most of our companies don't make machines of war snip > >Perhaps by comparison NZ'ers are rasonably politcally aware. > > Maybe, but the real reason lies in the fact that you have the > advantage of being a small 'homogeneous' population; small yes but not that homogenous, people from all over the world live here. >ok maybe a few > Maori indians might object, but really it's just so and you have the > advantage of a small population around 4 million I believe. yes less than 4 million 'Maori Indians' :) just 'Maori' > It is a lot different when your country has 280 million of which > huge numbers are immigrants and ethically mixed from every country > on the planet. How many people in the WTC buildings were from > foreign countries? Probably lots in fact one of our people, from the town we live near, was standing on the steps of the WTC talking to his wife on the mobile phone, he was just about to enter the building when the event occurred. > >Teachers gave out pills ..? > >you're kidding me surely > >if that were to happen here there would be a huge outcry of objections !!! > > Well it happened here too, when the news got out..the shit really > hit the fan. Teachers still have a lot of power to 'force' parents > of a hyperactive child to put him on Ritalin, but I guess that's > better than having your kid drugged without your knowledge. Teachers have no such power here. > > >Surely there are many other aspects that should be looked at first rather > >than (what sounds like) wholesale prescription of drugs. > > It's not like that time in Omaha. Cases are dwelt with individually; > but, many parents are intimidated when they're brought before the > 'system,' when it's not the child's welfare at issue, but > maintaining order. Many parents of modest means are faced with > options that cost a lot of money, like private schools and such, if > their son (almost always a son) isn't 'sedated.' School systems can be intimidating. we have a system over here where parents and families can take along their support system to meetings with schools, that way the impacts of intimidation are lessened or perhaps lessoned :) In any event when people are intimidated by any 'system' I thoroughly recommend taking along ones support system. > >I think it fair to say that we aren't, as a nation, that easily herded, many > >kiwis often look for their own solutions, regardless of popular opinion. > >Although many here are succumbing to high pressure lifestyles, brought on by > >corporatisation and pressure to attain, perhaps, unrealistic goals, which in > >many cases compromise lifestyle choices and things such as quality leisure > >time become forfeit. > > Sounds like NZ is right on track for the future. Well one thing for sure those people who decide to settle here sure like it > >However, there is still much discussion goes on over the garden fences so to > >speak and while people are still talking, and communicating various > >alternatives, seeking solutions and problem solving, the negative effects > >may be cushioned. > >In that respect maintaining strong networks is a key principle. > > I think the most powerful thing an individual can do is to become > aware (by some miracle) and withdraw his 'support.' support of what ? > >There is a certain knowledge also comes with beekeeping, watching how the > >communities of bees work together toward postive collective outcomes is a > >valuable learning process !! > > Yes..who is the keeper, the bees or the beekeeper? > snip > > >I have considered whether it is from adrenalin, ie perhaps the > >adrenals are stimulated > > You are quite right there, a bee stings you, you're going to have a > shot of adrenalin with your bee venom, and if you don't have enough > you'll have to carry some extra with you. Of course ! I never thought of it that way, just lucky we've still got some conversation about beekeeping going on in this thread otherwise other posters might start complaining that we're grossly off-topic, but then pushing boundaries can be a good thing :) > >Or whether there is some kind of endorphine activity going on > > Yes, I believe that..an assumption derived from pure thought as it > were, I think I said as much in a post of: > > Subject: Re: apitherapy > Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:08:19 -0600 > Message-ID: > > See what you think. Oh m' God Charlie Brilliant ! I have just now read it, have saved it to read again and am still digesting the contents. And you had a major motor cycle crash ? rather be dead than in severe pain????????? this conversation has become so gosh darn serendipidous !!! I can hardly believe it. My brother died in a motor cycle crash a while back I have often thought 'tis better that he went in the manner he did rather than be permanently disabled. Do you still ride ? >> >Do you ever get a sense when you go into the hive that you somehow become > >one with the hive? > > Of course :) I like you Charlie !! > >something almost > >magic about the vibration from the hum, > > Yes the curious and hypnotic music of creatures possessing some > tangible force derived from millions of years of being. I have been reading a little recently on line about 'trance' state and recognised some aspects that may in fact relate to beekeeping. It was to do with when the attention is focussed and (among other things) specifically with when attention is focussed on pin-point detail, as happens when one is attending to behives, which I think is related to clear thought etc etc etc LOL i have likened to hum of the hive to playing a hair comb, have you ever played a haircomb with a piece of paper ? it's fun / funny > >perhaps that has some influence on > >our physiology which stimulates the sense of wellbeing. > > Yes the 'relationship' becomes complete, consummate as it were. poetic > >I am also of the opinion that it has to do with the smell of the hive, in > >particular propolis, perhaps in some way aroma therapy. > > Maybe..a good point. I always suspected the smell of the 'alarm' > pheromone, that nice rather lemon like fragrance had some > interesting effect, like being in fear and amazed at the same time. you've ogone off on what could perhaps be an interesting tangent here Charlie. Can't recall experiencing 'that nice rather lemon like fragrance ' > >I was sniffing a cup of propolis recently which I had collected a while back > >wonderful stuff > > Yes, we always keep a tincture of propolis around for what 'ails' > you; big medicine if your immune system hasn't been wrecked by > anti-biotics, pollution and drugs various. haven't heard of a 'a tincture of propolis' try to stay away from all of the above, although anti-biotics are last resort and coffee ..... well how can anyone go without it ? > >To think that some people sniff solvents > >for euphoria, > >when propolis is far more pleasant > > You are it would seem some sort of bee avatar whose understanding of > these things is now within the realm of art. > > >all life, you think so ? 'avatar' had to look it up in my dictionary :) a good word ! and fine compliment, I am now enthused to work harder to live up to > > That's what the Buddha said..I think he was trying to say if there > is no 'suffering' there can be no appreciation of suffering in > others; call it understanding if you like. (Incidently, I'm not a > Buddhist) neither am I, not a practising Bhuddist but there are certainly some fine understandings and philosophies in Buddhism. Based on the wonderful words you share here, I think we should forget the PC of what is off or on topic to alt.beekeeping, it is all relative and we should talk lots and lots Carmen Article 31013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:01:28 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 284 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p118.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1012594846 23389 203.96.192.246 (1 Feb 2002 20:20:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Feb 2002 20:20:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31013 Hi Helen Helen Ward wrote in message news:P1l58.17073$M3.2972083@news1.telusplanet.net... > Just my two bits.... > the post that started this thread matched all criteria for this group. > > Bees pollinate the Ephedra > Ephedra is agriculture > Beekeepers have ample time in winter to ponder philosophy and other valuable > scientific datas. ;-) > > I am an ADHD adult on "amphetamines" - Dexedrine specifically. As a adult > diagnosed with this "syndrome" three years ago - I find the manufacturer SKB > semi-god-like. What it did for me was nothing short of a miracle seeing as I > used to self-medicate heavily. > Now I have been off the meds for a month I'm feeling ever so inclined to > work with bees more and more - lol . I am pleased you are finding solace in beekeeping > Hopefully my uncle will be so gracious as to accept my inclination. Seeing > as "we are born bee-keepers" - I thank the SRI's for helping me realize my > destiny. I am pleased you found what was needed in SRI's, I've never experienced them. Personally I would not want to go there and for some reason have some kind of natural revulsion of such things. I tend to look for natural calmatives and support others who do likewise. I'm still uncertain that we are 'born' to it, I came to it thru a series of (what seemed at the time) unrelated steps on the path. :) Although somewhat serrendipitous, after receiving the 'calling' i found out that my grandfather had kept bees long before I was born, I received the 'calling' after his passing, without actually being aware that he'd once kept bees. > Let's leave the corporate greed out of the lab - let's leave the scientists > to do their ever so valuable job. yes and yes as long as it is for the good and helps humanity without compromising the natural realms > We all "mead" to get along peeps!" : ) > and yes !! :) Carmen > > Charlie Kroeger wrote in message > news:iif45u438r2n7bahp3tv0vk6c4sm0mo7cc@4ax.com... > > >i do a search am > > >confronted with 1,000's of websites, > > >information explosion, brain implodes > > >:) > > > > Hi Carmen as you say information overload, and where's the wisdom? > > > > >Living in a country that is by comparison easier > > >popular opinion here is that the US is > > >land of priviledge and plenty it really gives cause to.. > > > > Only if you have money, and if you don't you're looked upon as being > > morally disreputable, it's true. This was not what Jesus had in > > mind at all. > > > > >the popular perception of the US > > >being a land of priviledge and plenty. > > > > That's only true for some, they are however, still in the majority > > but that figure grows smaller. > > > > >I guess that would have the effect of marketing to the masses ideas that > the > > >drugs being advertised are necessary to improve one's life. > > > > The ads tell the viewers 'they' are there, that's the thing. Of > > course there's more, like showing happy pain free people (who > > apparently have taken the drug) doing all the things they couldn't > > do before. The message hits hard on someone that might actually be > > in pain. The FDA has 'warned' some of the companies about how their > > 'product' is portrayed, but the FDA has no actual enforcement > > powers once the drug is on the market; which is odd when you think > > of it; what's the point of having a protecting 'agency' that has no > > 'teeth?' If the company didn't 'heed' the FDA's warning that comes > > in the form of a 'letter' then it is up to 'someone' to take the > > offending company to court. This is not to suggest that an FDA > > letter doesn't carry a lot of 'weight' and a letter is usually > > enough to cause the company to call their advertising agency and > > bring the ads within FDA guidelines, but sometimes, if a powerful > > corporation is run by arrogant management that sees even a 'warning' > > letter from the FDA as 'government intervention' in their business, > > then to get them to do the right thing can be an overwhelming task. > > I don't have to tell you how expensive this could be. Who among us > > can sue a drug company, this is the responsibility of the government > > itself. > > > > >Personally I think in many cases a teaspoon of honey would be a more > > >adequate recovery plan. > > > > Depends on what kind of recovery you're talking about. After > > crashing your motorcycle you'll want something stronger. > > > > >Westinghouse > > >haven't heard of that > > > > A very large corporation that makes a lot of 'consumer' goods like > > fridges and washers, and 'consumer' electronics. It also owns a > > television network (NBC) and this includes that network's news > > division; also makes a lot of jet engines like the ones for the > > B-1B, B-2, F-16 and F-117 bombers and fighter bombers respectively; > > submarine nuclear reactors and is a DOE (Dept. of Energy) Hanford > > contractor at the Y-12 plant (Oak Ridge, Tennessee) whose function > > is something called "canned subassemblies" which in effect makes a > > bomb "thermonuclear." The company division that does this has a > > quaint name: Westinghouse Environmental Management Co. > > Westinghouse also produces those nifty 'gatlin' guns now called > > "mini guns" one sees in so many films. And to think you've never > > heard of them. > > > > >Perhaps by comparison NZ'ers are rasonably politcally aware. > > > > Maybe, but the real reason lies in the fact that you have the > > advantage of being a small 'homogeneous' population; ok maybe a few > > Maori indians might object, but really it's just so and you have the > > advantage of a small population around 4 million I believe. > > > > It is a lot different when your country has 280 million of which > > huge numbers are immigrants and ethically mixed from every country > > on the planet. How many people in the WTC buildings were from > > foreign countries? > > > > >Teachers gave out pills ..? > > >you're kidding me surely > > >if that were to happen here there would be a huge outcry of objections > !!! > > > > Well it happened here too, when the news got out..the shit really > > hit the fan. Teachers still have a lot of power to 'force' parents > > of a hyperactive child to put him on Ritalin, but I guess that's > > better than having your kid drugged without your knowledge. > > > > >Good grief !! > > >Sounds like behaviour modification in the worst case scenario ! > > > > Yes that's exactly what it was. It still goes on but with a lot > > more sophistication. > > > > >Surely there are many other aspects that should be looked at first rather > > >than (what sounds like) wholesale prescription of drugs. > > > > It's not like that time in Omaha. Cases are dwelt with individually; > > but, many parents are intimidated when they're brought before the > > 'system,' when it's not the child's welfare at issue, but > > maintaining order. Many parents of modest means are faced with > > options that cost a lot of money, like private schools and such, if > > their son (almost always a son) isn't 'sedated.' > > > > >I think it fair to say that we aren't, as a nation, that easily herded, > many > > >kiwis often look for their own solutions, regardless of popular opinion. > > >Although many here are succumbing to high pressure lifestyles, brought on > by > > >corporatisation and pressure to attain, perhaps, unrealistic goals, which > in > > >many cases compromise lifestyle choices and things such as quality > leisure > > >time become forfeit. > > > > Sounds like NZ is right on track for the future. > > > > >However, there is still much discussion goes on over the garden fences so > to > > >speak and while people are still talking, and communicating various > > >alternatives, seeking solutions and problem solving, the negative > effects > > >may be cushioned. > > >In that respect maintaining strong networks is a key principle. > > > > I think the most powerful thing an individual can do is to become > > aware (by some miracle) and withdraw his 'support.' > > > > >There is a certain knowledge also comes with beekeeping, watching how the > > >communities of bees work together toward postive collective outcomes is a > > >valuable learning process !! > > > > Yes..who is the keeper, the bees or the beekeeper? > > > > >LOL > > >How many inches does that add? > > > > The advantage here is to remember what Caesar said: "men will > > believe what they want to believe" and then it could be added, > > women will understand. > > > > >I have considered whether it is from adrenalin, ie perhaps the > > >adrenals are stimulated > > > > You are quite right there, a bee stings you, you're going to have a > > shot of adrenalin with your bee venom, and if you don't have enough > > you'll have to carry some extra with you. > > > > >Or whether there is some kind of endorphine activity going on > > > > Yes, I believe that..an assumption derived from pure thought as it > > were, I think I said as much in a post of: > > > > Subject: Re: apitherapy > > Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:08:19 -0600 > > Message-ID: > > > > See what you think. > > > > >Do you ever get a sense when you go into the hive that you somehow become > > >one with the hive? > > > > Of course > > > > >something almost > > >magic about the vibration from the hum, > > > > Yes the curious and hypnotic music of creatures possessing some > > tangible force derived from millions of years of being. > > > > >perhaps that has some influence on > > >our physiology which stimulates the sense of wellbeing. > > > > Yes the 'relationship' becomes complete, consummate as it were. > > > > >I am also of the opinion that it has to do with the smell of the hive, in > > >particular propolis, perhaps in some way aroma therapy. > > > > Maybe..a good point. I always suspected the smell of the 'alarm' > > pheromone, that nice rather lemon like fragrance had some > > interesting effect, like being in fear and amazed at the same time. > > > > >I was sniffing a cup of propolis recently which I had collected a while > back > > >wonderful stuff > > > > Yes, we always keep a tincture of propolis around for what 'ails' > > you; big medicine if your immune system hasn't been wrecked by > > anti-biotics, pollution and drugs various. > > > > >To think that some people sniff solvents > > >for euphoria, > > >when propolis is far more pleasant > > > > You are it would seem some sort of bee avatar whose understanding of > > these things is now within the realm of art. > > > > >all life, you think so ? > > > > That's what the Buddha said..I think he was trying to say if there > > is no 'suffering' there can be no appreciation of suffering in > > others; call it understanding if you like. (Incidently, I'm not a > > Buddhist) > > > > C.K. > > > > Article 31014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee asks, "Spearment oil & mite control?" Message-ID: <1vfm5u8bp6lrmgk26q51t8helqtq35kbqo@4ax.com> References: <3c5a10ef_1@news5.uncensored-news.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 01:46:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.212 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1012614370 4.33.104.212 (Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:46:10 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:46:10 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:46:10 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31014 "BeeFarmer" wrote: >There are all sorts of concoctions that people use. There are only a hand >full of legal authorized medications. While I share your concern for safety, it is my understanding that mint oil is NOT a controlled substance. It's effectiveness is quite another matter..... John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C5B6C3E.807BA1C0@thesitefights.com> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:34:06 -0600 From: Lady Java X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: It's Jan 27th and they're bringing the pollen in! References: <3c548606.119751621@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.232.141.207 X-Trace: web2.westelcom.com 1012620757 205.232.141.207 (1 Feb 2002 22:32:37 -0500) Organization: www.westelcom.com Lines: 16 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.net.uni-c.dk!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!skynet.be!skynet.be!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!att541!ip.att.net!web2.westelcom.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31015 Heh - here in Northern NY, mine still have the electric blankets and the tiny wood stove going inside the hive!  We're in the middle of a nice ice/sleet/wind storm right now!  They're not even answering the door when I knock!  *grin*

Java
 

beekeep wrote:

Bees in my home apiary were bringing in maple pollen here in Southern
Maryland.  The new season has begun.

beekeep


  Article 31016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Y" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees looking for a new home Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.122.42.119 X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1012646360 16401 213.122.42.119 (2 Feb 2002 10:39:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:39:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31016 Hello A neighbour of ours (we are in Ipswich, Suffolk UK) wants to stop bee keeping and is looking for some one who wants the last 4 or 5 hives he has. These would need moving from their current location. Anyone know anyone who might be interested? Thanks Article 31017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix1.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Usenet posting techniques and guidelines Date: 2 Feb 2002 07:58:40 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 13 Message-ID: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1012654720 9585 166.84.1.1 (2 Feb 2002 12:58:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Feb 2002 12:58:40 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31017 Please try to post only in text, not in html. Please trim the article you are following-up so that there's not huge volumes of quoted text spamming up the news-spool. These techniques are neither difficult or restrictive and they make news-reading more enjoyable and effective for all readers and posters. Cheek out news.announce.newusers for all the other posting goodies. Thanks! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 31018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Zephyr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees looking for a new home Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host217-34-76-49.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1012679332 12561 217.34.76.49 (2 Feb 2002 19:48:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:48:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31018 Try contacting your local beeking association. For your area : Secretary: Susan Haynes Creeting Hills Farm Creeting St Mary Ipswich IP6 8PZ Tel: 01449 722570 Good luck Zephyr On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:39:20 +0000 (UTC), "Y" wrote: >Hello >A neighbour of ours (we are in Ipswich, Suffolk UK) wants to stop bee >keeping and is looking for some one who wants the last 4 or 5 hives he has. >These would need moving from their current location. > >Anyone know anyone who might be interested? > >Thanks > Article 31019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Real Name:" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees gnawing wood Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 01:46:06 -0800 Organization: Angry White Guys Message-ID: Reply-To: stgeorge@i-link-2.net References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!news.onramp.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31019 Hi, Remember, that bees, and ants are cousins . Ken . On Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:09:51 GMT, "Bill Hughes" wrote: >Over the years I have found signs of gnawing on my woodenware. Example once >in the fall a few years ago I placed a rat stick in the wrong way leaving no >entrance. When I checked the colony in the spring I found my mistake, but >there was a entrance grawed through the rat stick. I have also found signs >of grawing where the boxes do not meet well and the bees start using this >gap as an entrance. Am I jumping to a wrong conclustion? > >Bill Hughes >The Apiaries of Bill And Joyce Hughes > Article 31020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: lost hive? - pictures - help Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:39:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.7.197.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: news2.east.cox.net 1012768795 68.7.197.128 (Sun, 03 Feb 2002 15:39:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 15:39:55 EST Organization: Cox Communications Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!64.154.60.70.MISMATCH!newsfeeds-atl2!newsfeeds-atl1.usenetserver.com!cox.net!news2.east.cox.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31020 I recently lost a hive. I opened it up today and found that the few remaining bees were frozen in time. They almost looked alive on the comb, like a picture, but they were all dead. They were mainly in two clumps on the comb. In one of the clumps you can clearly see the queen. I put some pictures on a web page, link below. Can anyone give me any ideas of what went wrong? They had a whole super of honey on top and some stores in the lower hive body. There wasn't much brood though. This hive was from a package in the spring and I live in San Diego, so the weather doesn't get very cold. http://www.kernweb.com/bees.htm Thanks, Dave Article 31021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Tattifalarious Plumptiousness Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lost hive? - pictures - help Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <56dr5ukvqkrmcuvqnodi11jucqsunnjcv5@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:08:51 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news11-gui.server.ntli.net 1012774143 80.1.219.11 (Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:09:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:09:03 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news11-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31021 On Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:39:55 GMT, "Dave" wrote: >Can anyone give me any ideas of what went wrong? From the pictures I would say there simply weren't enough of them to survive. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis In the land of the mad, only the mad man is sane. Article 31022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lost hive? - pictures - help Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:01:53 -0500 Organization: The Bee Works Message-ID: Reply-To: "David Eyre" References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 26 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31022 > I recently lost a hive. I opened it up today and found that the few > remaining bees were frozen in time. They almost looked alive on the comb, > like a picture, but they were all dead. They were mainly in two clumps on > the comb. In one of the clumps you can clearly see the queen. I put some > pictures on a web page, link below. Might I suggest you take a second look, especially into the roof of the cells containing dead brood, uncap a few. You're looking for a white/ yellow deposit, looks like sawdust stuck on the roof. This is Varroa faeces and indicates too high an infestation of Varroa for the bees to live with. Visit our Picture Gallery on our web site, www.beeworks.com we have a good example of a heavey infestation. Other than that, I would suggest a failing, old queen, looking at the spotty brood pattern. Regards Dave.. -- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** Article 31023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Luc Lauzon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: lost hive? - pictures - help Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:05:19 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.130.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1012792152 209.226.130.119 (Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:09:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:09:12 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31023 (My English might be rusty, first language is french...) this is just an opinion... About your lost hive, looking at the picture Dscn3374, from my sad experience, seems it could be American Foulbrood, especially if, when inserting a stick or straw in the cell (left of picture, bottom uncapped cell) the inside comes out like glue. The situation might be that, even though the queen had been laying eggs, the the infected larvaes wouldn't survive, and what's more of a problem is that the other bees had to clean out the cells, and propagate the infection, possible because of a weakness induced by varroa infestation. This is just an opinion... Article 31024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lost hive? - pictures - help Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:10:39 -0700 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-8.internode.net (198.161.229.184) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1012792212 42074809 198.161.229.184 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-8.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31024 > ...our Picture Gallery on our web site, www.beeworks.com we have a good example > of a heavey infestation. Okay, maybe -- but the URL given points to a commercial bee supply page -- and there is no obvious link at that site to what we are discussing. How about a direct URL to the relevant page? allen Article 31025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 23:44:20 -0600 Lines: 195 Message-ID: <495s5uo32mslidmuhdki6tvhs7up4rd3f9@4ax.com> References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.66 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1012801463 43188387 216.167.143.66 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31025 Carmen greetings, (then you said) >Can't see how moral reputation equates with money Well of course it doesn't but that attitude is quite widespread. There's a lot of christians out there who have made their decision about god and manna. Attitudes like this one helps them t forget in light of Jesus's parable (the easiest one to understand) regarding "the eye of the needle." Ignoring the warning (if they are believers) requires a new understanding with God (his dad) whereas their 'good fortune' is really a reflection of His favor. It is bad that a few have so much while many just get by and an unknown but considerable number go without. It is interesting to muse on Jesus's message where he did not equivocate about wealth and how if the wealthy 'gave' their money to the poor this condition would disappear. He about got thrown off a cliff over that speech. (He was speaking in a public place at the time, and Jesus had to leg it fast..bible passage locations furnished if pressed) The message then was simple: the rich cause poverty, even though they have been told they create jobs. Incidently, I'm not a Christian. >in some cases quite theopposite is true. That would 'actually' be in all cases. >I like to buy NZ made, it is a good policy Yes local economies supplying the needs of local communities with fair trade (not free) with other countries for those things your economy cannot produce. What's wrong with that? The only reason I can make out for "globalization" is to have near slave labour to increase multinational's profits (obscenely) while keeping prices high in the consuming market. (that's us) Take Microsoft's new product, the "X box" ( a product to compete with "play station" and the "game cube")..it's made in a Mexican factory called a "Maquiladora" where Microsoft bragged about "cutting 75% of the price of labor) See below my answer to your question: >support of what? http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/vol2no8/maquiladora.htm >and most of our companies don't make machines of war You're lucky there. A big problem with ending up like America and Russia did after WWII was that they both had large victorious armies, (militaries) and the gratitude of their respective governments. It's a long story, but the results of this have not been altogether satisfactory. The Russians since the end of that war never had a decent civilian economy but their military economy was excellent. The Americans you know, but now without the advantages of regulatory factors of the past (i.e. a system of checks and balances) the military is being funded for a war on three fronts, a third of the annual budget, and it keeps getting larger, and when things happen like September Eleventh, it doesn't help this trend. >yes less than 4 million >'Maori Indians' It's a good thing too, otherwise no one would ever be able to beat the "Allblacks." >we have a system over here where parents and families can take along their >support system to meetings with schools What does that mean exactly? A brace of pit bulls, a concealed weapon, one's attorney perhaps? >In any event when people are intimidated by any 'system' I thoroughly >recommend taking along ones support system. Damn right. >support of what ? Stop buying stuff. >other posters might start complaining that we're grossly >off-topic, but then pushing boundaries can be a good thing Not with this bunch. >And you had a major motor cycle crash ? >rather be dead than in severe pain????????? I think so, too much pain for too long makes you begin to want to take your chances with the great beyond. I was wearing my helmet (open faced unfortunately) so I wasn't an organ donor, but there was still plenty of hamburger and a few crushed up bones. Mrs. Kroeger if she's looking for me, has been heard to ask: "have you seen a guy with a cross on his head?" >My brother died in a motor cycle crash a while back >I have often thought 'tis better that he went in the manner he did rather >than be permanently disabled. >Do you still ride ? I'm sorry to hear that, but it's true, better to exit swiftly if not stylishly like T.E. Lawrence than become a dribbling vegetable, so tedious. After a period of post traumatic stress, I begin to rebuild the beast (aka the prairie rocket, a stripped down '80 goldwing 1100, your basic frame with that motor and a seat) Mrs. Kroeger becomes morose and threatening if I talk about riding it again, and indeed she believes it doesn't run, so that's how things stand, but to answer your question, yes I do. >I like you Charlie !! Thanks Carmen I like you too. > have you ever >played a haircomb with a piece of paper ? it's fun / funny No but 'sounds' sublime. >Can't recall experiencing 'that nice rather lemon like fragrance Well it's definitely unmistakable when disturbing (my) hives this fragrance comes pouring out. Maybe your bees are not alarmed when you open them? I have 'african bees.' >haven't heard of a 'a tincture of propolis' It's du reguiere for taking propolis as a medicament. We like it with peppermint tea. See a post of mine about propolis: http://ibiblio.org/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/bee-l/log9910d.txt do a search for: "The miracle of propolis" (no quotes no case) There's some changes I would make to that post namely I didn't make it clear about mixing the tincture. So just read the post for it's interesting 'book report' on the "Miracle of Propolis." To mix a tincture of propolis: (as I use it) In a 'disposable' jar with a top mix TWO parts grain alcohol (ethanol) to ONE part propolis crystals or granules (not powdered but like medium sand) after a day or two between occasional shakes, a deep reddish liquid will appear above a certain amount of sediment..decant this liquid off and that's your tincture. If you're desperate you can also use the part with the sediment, but it's less stylish and the solids are not pleasant in tea. Here's a recipe we use for propolis 'tea:' coffee mug size cup with a mint tea bag of your choice and the juice of 1/2 lemon. Add honey to sweetness you prefer, then add about 3 or 4 ml. of the tincture. (bit less than a teaspoon) Don't be alarmed as it will 'titrate' into a milky liquid momentarily. Just stir it in. and sip slowly. It is 'medicine like' in flavor so you will know you're taking your medicine, so no whining. Very effective for sore throats, flu-like symptoms, colds various, and mild fevers. It will bring on a somnolent condition that has an effect seemingly to aid the body's natural tendency to begin the healing process. This has been my experience. >and coffee ..... well how can anyone go without it ? I agree, as captain Janeway would say, "it keeps you sharp." >Based on the wonderful words you share here, I think we should forget the PC >of what is off or on topic to alt.beekeeping, it is all relative >and we should talk lots and lots Don't hold back Carmen. C.K. Article 31026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020201114252.14076.00000357@mb-mt.aol.com> Subject: Re: using sugar as a varroacide Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <%Qw78.26770$%h1.9858298@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:24:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 1012832699 66.31.162.107 (Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:24:59 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:24:59 EST Organization: ATT Broadband Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!65.96.0.182!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31026 I have not tried this technique, but I believe it's a method for determining varroa count, not as a treatment. It replaces the ether roll test - use sugar instead of ether so the bees can be returned to the colony after the test. -Steve "POTENTS" wrote in message news:20020201114252.14076.00000357@mb-mt.aol.com... > Hi all, > > Have used bayvarol in autumn last year. And if needed will treat for varroa > again in spring. > Anyone had any experience of dusting bees with icing sugar? > Is it effective? > Timing of treatment? > Quantity of sugar? > Any help much appreciated. > Presumably will need an open mesh floor for it to work. > Cheers Article 31027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: =?koi8-r?B?5uny7eEg8uXh7On69eX0IPDv5PPv7O7l/u7v5SDt4fPs7w==?= Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:54:30 +0200 Organization: Alkar Teleport News Server Lines: 39 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.248.163.134 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0128_01C1ADAD.60ABBDE0" X-Trace: pandora.alkar.net 1012841678 75791 195.248.163.134 (4 Feb 2002 16:54:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@alkar.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:54:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!news.alkar.net!ATNS!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31027 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01C1ADAD.60ABBDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =F0=D2=CF=C4=C1=D6=C1 =D0=CF=C4=D3=CF=CC=CE=C5=DE=CE=CF=C7=CF = =CD=C1=D3=CC=C1, =C4=CF 10 =D4=CF=CE=CE =D7 =CE=C5=C4=C5=CC=C0, = =DA=C1=CB=D5=D0=CB=C1 =D0=CF=C4=D3=CF=CC=CE=C5=DE=CE=C9=CB=C1, =D0=C5=D2=C5=D2=C1=C2=CF=D4=CB=C1 = =C4=C1=D7=C1=CC=D8=CE=C9=DE=C5=D3=CB=CF=C7=CF =D3=D9=D2=D8=D1. =F4=C5=CC=C5=C6=CF=CE =D7 =C7. =F0=C1=D7=CC=CF=C7=D2=C1=C4 (805632) = 5-45-44, =C6=C1=CB=D3 (805632) 5-45-88 ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01C1ADAD.60ABBDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0128_01C1ADAD.60ABBDE0-- Article 31028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Andrew Pedley" References: <20020201114252.14076.00000357@mb-mt.aol.com> <%Qw78.26770$%h1.9858298@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: using sugar as a varroacide Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:19:42 -0000 Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-120-43-28.webport.bt.net 213.120.43.28 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!easynet-quince!easynet.net!stannard.sniffout.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31028 no direct experience of this, but advised that it works, BUT that you have to dust every frame repeatedly with icing sugar for several days; talcum powder is an alternative; works as bees groom to rid themselves of the dust, and mite at the same time. Not recommended, as I uunderstand, as a treatment. "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:%Qw78.26770$%h1.9858298@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > I have not tried this technique, but I believe it's a method for determining > varroa count, not as a treatment. It replaces the ether roll test - use > sugar instead of ether so the bees can be returned to the colony after the > test. > > -Steve > > "POTENTS" wrote in message > news:20020201114252.14076.00000357@mb-mt.aol.com... > > Hi all, > > > > Have used bayvarol in autumn last year. And if needed will treat for > varroa > > again in spring. > > Anyone had any experience of dusting bees with icing sugar? > > Is it effective? > > Timing of treatment? > > Quantity of sugar? > > Any help much appreciated. > > Presumably will need an open mesh floor for it to work. > > Cheers > > Article 31029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lost hive? - pictures - help Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:46:29 -0500 Organization: The Bee Works Message-ID: Reply-To: "David Eyre" References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 34 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31029 My nemesis is looking over my shoulder again!!! I did suppose, wrongly, that anyone with an ounce of intelligence would be able to select another link to a Picture Gallery, obviously not!!! If you cannot open your eyes, try www.beeworks.com/gallery/index1.htm Then look on page 3..Varroa faeces. -- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:a3ku2k$1840lp$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > > ...our Picture Gallery on our web site, www.beeworks.com we have a good > example > > of a heavey infestation. > > Okay, maybe -- but the URL given points to a commercial bee supply page -- > and there is no obvious link at that site to what we are discussing. > > How about a direct URL to the relevant page? > > allen > > > > Article 31030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: lost hive? - pictures - help Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 04:01:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1012881691 24.31.219.77 (Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:01:31 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:01:31 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sfo2-feed1.news.digex.net!lax2-feed1.news.digex.net!dca6-feed1.news.digex.net!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31030 "Dave" wrote in message Can anyone give me any ideas of what went wrong? > http://www.kernweb.com/bees.htm In San Diego you should have more brood than that. Brood rearing was greatly reduced, so the adult population dwindled. The queen may have just petered out. OR.... I would look carefully at the perforated cap cells to see if there is AFB scale in these cells. Check http://pollinator.com/afbscale.htm I could not see quite well enough to tell. Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Article 31031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3c579442$1@news.airtel.net> Subject: Re: Almond trees in full bloom. Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <8SI78.84971$a07.21280206@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 04:05:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1012881924 24.31.219.77 (Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:05:24 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:05:24 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31031 "Airtel" wrote in message news:3c579442$1@news.airtel.net... > The season just started, the almond tree are in full bloom, > they are carrying plenty of pollen, there is plenty of activity. Azaleas are in bloom here in South Carolina, actually were open in January. This is the earliest anyone can remember. Our bees also have the normal henbit, wild mustard, maple and some tag alder to keep them occupied. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Article 31032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lost hive? - pictures - help Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:05:40 -0700 Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-3.internode.net (198.161.229.179) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1012925194 43885697 198.161.229.179 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-3.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31032 "David Eyre" wrote in message news:u5ul33sp3a6g5b@corp.supernews.com... > My nemesis is looking over my shoulder again!!! > I did suppose, wrongly, that anyone with an ounce of intelligence would > be able to select another link to a Picture Gallery, obviously not!!! > If you cannot open your eyes, try www.beeworks.com/gallery/index1.htm > Then look on page 3..Varroa faeces. I can see you have not lost your charm or good manners, and I can also see that you have not quit plugging your commercial site at any slight pretext. Bully for you! Someone less subtle might have just given the direct URL to the photo, then let people drift back to the commercial stuff -- if they wanted, but you wanted to be sure we got the *whole* Beeworks experience while chasing the bait. After your graceful and tactful clarification here on the group, I did eventually find the picture by following the link you said was on the main page, and following it through to the actual URL -- just to prove your point. Boy! do I feel stupid! Thanks for going so easy on me. The link *was*, indeed, on the main page. Moreover it was prominently displayed in very tiny print among the very last items on the page. Darn! The fact that this link mentioned a photo gallery, not varroa, should not have stopped me, since beekeepers are psychic and should be able to easily guess what lies buried down in those links. Even as far as Page Three. The same X-ray vision is useful for finding varroa in capped cells. Besides, we all know that 'photo gallery' is just a British term for 'varroa faeces picture'. The fact that there was no obvious way to go direct to the picture in question without waiting for all the photos to fill in, and then looking at everything on each page, should not have deterred me either. After all, my time is worth nothing -- and I got a free puzzle in the bargain. Too bad we have never met, David. It is not because I haven't tried. I missed you at Apimondia in Vancouver, then on two different occasions, several years back, when passing through Orillia, my son and I searched in vain at the street address you gave for your shop. We even asked at neighbouring businesses, but none had heard of you. I wanted to shake your hand and congratulate you on your kindness and your patient, tolerant way of dealing with differences of opinion, but we were totally unable to find your premises -- or any sign of them. I trust you are easier to find these days. Maybe some day soon you will look up from your work and see my smiling face at your door. Maybe then we can meet, and catch up on all the good times we have had together on the net. allen Article 31033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: using sugar as a varroacide Date: 5 Feb 2002 17:15:10 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <20020201114252.14076.00000357@mb-mt.aol.com> <%Qw78.26770$%h1.9858298@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.10 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31033 On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:19:42 -0000, "Andrew Pedley" wrote: >no direct experience of this, but advised that it works, BUT that you have >to dust every frame repeatedly with icing sugar for several days; talcum >powder is an alternative; works as bees groom to rid themselves of the dust, >and mite at the same time. Not recommended, as I uunderstand, as a >treatment. Certainly it's not a treatment. But I wonder if it would have any significant effect if used as part of a typical management system. For example if you simply dust every time you open the hive to inspect, add supers etc. Using a shaker or hand powered blower (as for dusting roses, etc.) would make it a quick and easy task. If it only helped 15-25% it would be worth the effort and it could be used during honey flowes unlike the drugs. Has anyone done a study on thi?s (i sort of doubt it.) -Tim Article 31034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lost hive? - pictures - help Date: 5 Feb 2002 09:16:26 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <993fd181.0202050916.6637ed5d@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1012929386 1947 127.0.0.1 (5 Feb 2002 17:16:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Feb 2002 17:16:26 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31034 "Dave" wrote in message news: Can anyone give me any ideas of what went wrong? They had a whole super of > honey on top and some stores in the lower hive body. There wasn't much > brood though. This hive was from a package in the spring and I live in San > Diego, so the weather doesn't get very cold. > > > http://www.kernweb.com/bees.htm > > Thanks, > Dave Looks like a typical PMS crash.Varroa (and probably tracheal mites)help spread viruses that kill adult bees and brood rapidly.A hive can go from a strong one to what you have in a matter of a few weeks.Did you treat this hive for mites in late summer?What with?Some treatments are no longer working in some areas,and some never were effective.Although the package probably came from a treated hive,its pretty common for bees to pick up enough varroa from crashing hives in the area, to crash themselves. Mike Article 31035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:06:16 -0600 Lines: 34 Message-ID: <29o06uk3s8b6lbmv1ovdikuf3cd0p7ut9q@4ax.com> References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> <9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.119 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1012950379 44238727 216.167.138.119 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.119!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31035 >Viacheslav Sheveliov ask: > >>Which (Far Eastern) bees were introduced in US? > >I don't know but someone will. > >Watch this space. > >C.K. I guess that's me.. I was reading the annual flyer sent by the "Weaver" company and in it they mention the "Russian" bee that has been studied on that island off the coast of Louisiana. This island and the work done there is headed by Dr. Tom Rinderer of the USDA-ARS Baton Rough, Louisiana, and that the bees were from the "Primorsky" forest and were being studied because it was thought these bees had been in contact with varroa mites (of that forest) longer than other bees and had evolved over this time, a significant tolerance. Weaver is selling these queens but they are "open mated" with drones from their "all-American colonies, so they will be Russian/Weaver hybrids. Anyway, I don't have to speak Russian to see that "Primorsky" forest might just be "Primordial forest" in English. 2 questions: Is that really the name of the forest in far Eastern Russia, or is it named after someone named "Primorsky" and where is it? Thanks, C.K. Article 31036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Creamed Honey Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:47:52 +0000 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <1010871849.348393@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-116.edoras.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1012952729 4007 62.136.171.116 (5 Feb 2002 23:45:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Feb 2002 23:45:29 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31036 Just caught up on this. We have tried putting warmed honey through a liquidiser (food processor) - no good for large scale. However, you do get an interesting texture. Can somebody here give a clear definition of what creamed honey is. When experimenting with the liquidiser/processor we ended up with jars of 'layered' honey. A white 'froth' on top, a thicker 'body' and a bigger granulated layer at the bottom. One concern I would have is with weights and measures. This process (at least the way we have experimented with) includes a lot of air in the honey. Whilst this seems to settle out quite quick it leaves a rather unsightly product. Article 31037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <2002020523570175982@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:57:01 GMT Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Phil Gurr X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.30 10003987 Subject: Re: Russian bees References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> <9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru> <29o06uk3s8b6lbmv1ovdikuf3cd0p7ut9q@4ax.com> Lines: 32 X-Trace: 1012953521 master.news.zetnet.net 29611 194.247.47.23 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!master.news.zetnet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31037 The message <29o06uk3s8b6lbmv1ovdikuf3cd0p7ut9q@4ax.com> from Charlie Kroeger contains these words: > Anyway, I don't have to speak Russian to see that "Primorsky" forest > might just be "Primordial forest" in English. 2 questions: > Is that really the name of the forest in far Eastern Russia, or is > it named after someone named "Primorsky" and where is it? The word in Russian means `maritime' or `littoral' ................................................................................ .................................. Primorsky Territory, Russian Federation Primorsky Territory is located in the southern part of the Russian Far East, at the edge of the Eurasian continent. It is bordered by the East Sea/Sea of Japan, China, and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Most of Primorsky Territory is mountainous, with the 2,000 km long Sikhote-Alin mountain range occupying most of the eastern part. Nearly 75% of the area is forested. The climate - with short, cold and sunny winters and rainy and cloudy summers - has given Primorsky the richest biodiversity in the Russian Federation. ................................................................................ ............................................ Phil. Article 31038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: fcooke@lineone.net (Freddie Cooke) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Treatment for Varoa Date: 5 Feb 2002 17:08:14 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1b093a58.0202051708.51a499aa@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.16.40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1012957694 15326 127.0.0.1 (6 Feb 2002 01:08:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Feb 2002 01:08:14 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!falcon.america.net!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31038 I treated my colonies September 2000 but was unable to repeat the treatment last September. Is it alright to treat them with strips later this month when I put the spring feeds on? Article 31039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C6099DB.E5B40052@nowhere.com> From: Jeff Organization: Nowhere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 02:38:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.174.18.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news2.news.adelphia.net 1012963085 216.174.18.23 (Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:38:05 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:38:05 EST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!hub1.nntpserver.com!router2.news.adelphia.net!news2.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31039 i'm just curious, what is the state of breeding right now, have there been any new advancements in breeding through selection, etc, to stop the horrible infestations that have been destroying so many hives ? any good articles about the state of things ? have any bees been bred that have a higher resistance ? it sounds like the mites are just going to win. Article 31040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Resistance Date: 5 Feb 2002 22:15:41 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <993fd181.0202052215.787e5092@posting.google.com> References: <3C6099DB.E5B40052@nowhere.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.154 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1012976142 22377 127.0.0.1 (6 Feb 2002 06:15:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Feb 2002 06:15:42 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31040 it sounds like the mites are just going to > win. Nope no way.Remember 'survival of the fittest'?Even if every known mite treatment were to fail completely,it would only be a matter of time before bees that had survived would repopulate.But they might not be bees we like. Anyhow,resistant strains of bees are being developed all over the world.USDA scientists have released stock from Russia that show resistance,and have shown how to select for SMR(supressed mite reproduction)in bees,in addition to releasing SMR stock.There are reports of resistant stock in Canada,Arizona,Germany,etc. Too bad Brother Adam isnt around,he would probably have enjoyed this challenge. Do a search for SMR and Russian bees on Yahoo.You will probably find lots of interesting info. -Mike (I think everyone who cares about bees is working on solving this problem in one way or another) Article 31041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:51:10 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 199 Message-ID: References: <495s5uo32mslidmuhdki6tvhs7up4rd3f9@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1013029798 13892 203.96.192.10 (6 Feb 2002 21:09:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Feb 2002 21:09:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31041 Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:495s5uo32mslidmuhdki6tvhs7up4rd3f9@4ax.com... snip > > The message then was simple: the rich cause poverty, even though > they have been told they create jobs. Incidently, I'm not a > Christian. Me neither so I'm not very clued up on Bible references etc that you cite. > >in some cases quite theopposite is true. > > That would 'actually' be in all cases. > > >I like to buy NZ made, it is a good policy > > Yes local economies supplying the needs of local communities with > fair trade (not free) with other countries for those things your > economy cannot produce. What's wrong with that? The only reason I > can make out for "globalization" is to have near slave labour to > increase multinational's profits (obscenely) while keeping prices > high in the consuming market. (that's us) > > Take Microsoft's new product, the "X box" ( a product to compete > with "play station" and the "game cube")..it's made in a Mexican > factory called a "Maquiladora" where Microsoft bragged about > "cutting 75% of the price of labor) See below my answer to your > question: >support of what? > > http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/vol2no8/maquiladora.htm > > >and most of our companies don't make machines of war > > You're lucky there. A big problem with ending up like America and > Russia did after WWII was that they both had large victorious > armies, (militaries) and the gratitude of their respective > governments. It's a long story, but the results of this have not > been altogether satisfactory. The Russians since the end of that war > never had a decent civilian economy but their military economy was > excellent. The Americans you know, but now without the advantages of > regulatory factors of the past (i.e. a system of checks and > balances) the military is being funded for a war on three fronts, a > third of the annual budget, and it keeps getting larger, and when > things happen like September Eleventh, it doesn't help this trend. > > >yes less than 4 million > >'Maori Indians' > > It's a good thing too, otherwise no one would ever be able to beat > the "Allblacks." I see I was a bit too succiinct in my previous post and so the meaning is unclear. There are less than 4 million people in total, including people from most nationalities. Maori aren't considered "Maori Indians" over here simply Maori > >we have a system over here where parents and families can take along their > >support system to meetings with schools > > What does that mean exactly? A brace of pit bulls, a concealed > weapon, one's attorney perhaps? Family members, friends or extended family. usually a good diea to go as a group it kind of mediates the situation and equalises the balance of power. > >In any event when people are intimidated by any 'system' I thoroughly > >recommend taking along ones support system. > > Damn right. > > >support of what ? > > Stop buying stuff. Good thinking. To get back on topic with beekeeping, people will find it quite expensive to buy honey here this season, it has been quite a remarkable honey season. It was remarked recently that with the advent of varroa there are not the usual number of bees that live un-managed in undomesticated hives, that is in the wild. So as well as weather conditions, there is perhaps a lessening of flora due to lack of pollination activity from the decreased populations of bees. > >other posters might start complaining that we're grossly > >off-topic, but then pushing boundaries can be a good thing > > Not with this bunch. > > >And you had a major motor cycle crash ? > >rather be dead than in severe pain????????? > > I think so, too much pain for too long makes you begin to want to > take your chances with the great beyond. You think there is a great beyond ? Not just some mythical realms of the hopeful ? > I was wearing my helmet > (open faced unfortunately) so I wasn't an organ donor, but there was > still plenty of hamburger and a few crushed up bones. Mrs. Kroeger > if she's looking for me, has been heard to ask: "have you seen a guy > with a cross on his head?" Well you seem to have come thru it with a sense of humour in tact > >My brother died in a motor cycle crash a while back > >I have often thought 'tis better that he went in the manner he did rather > >than be permanently disabled. > >Do you still ride ? > > I'm sorry to hear that, but it's true, better to exit swiftly if not > stylishly like T.E. Lawrence than become a dribbling vegetable, so > tedious. > > After a period of post traumatic stress, There seems to be a lot of PTSd about these days >I begin to rebuild the > beast (aka the prairie rocket, a stripped down '80 goldwing 1100, > your basic frame with that motor and a seat) Mrs. Kroeger becomes > morose and threatening if I talk about riding it again, and indeed > she believes it doesn't run, so that's how things stand, but to > answer your question, yes I do. Then I hope you travel safely > > >I like you Charlie !! > > Thanks Carmen I like you too. > > > have you ever > >played a haircomb with a piece of paper ? it's fun / funny > > No but 'sounds' sublime. > > >Can't recall experiencing 'that nice rather lemon like fragrance > > Well it's definitely unmistakable when disturbing (my) hives this > fragrance comes pouring out. Maybe your bees are not alarmed when > you open them? I have 'african bees.' You actually keep African Bees. We have Italian bees and many bees over here are bred specifically for the quietness trait. That is, queens from hives that are easily managed are generally most desirable. There was an interesting documentary here recently about the introduction of the African bees in Brazil and the US. I would not keep them myself, and hope they do not arive here, but the doco said that after the African bees arrived in Brazil, the country went from being 27th on International the list of honey producers to 4th on the list. The documentary also detailed how the African queens are attractive to European drones and they will cross, African queens then go on to lay eggs for the progeny of the European bees. They hoped to have a mass hybridisation of the species before the African bees arrived in Mexico so as to modify the temperament of the African Bees, we saw how they were going to attempt a "bee Barrier" by positioning many hives at the border to mexico to head of the wave of African bees that were on their way there. But with the onset of Varroa this was stymied, it was later discovered that even if the African queen crosses with a European drone, it is likely there will still be contact with African bee drones. It was discovered the pure African Queen progeny hatches a day earlier than the African / European hybrid Queen larvae, in so doing those queens kill off any hybrid queens that hatch the following day, so their bee barrier would not necessarily have worked anyway. We also saw how one African Queen arriving in an Italian species beehive can repopulate a hive before the beekeepers even realise and so Migratory beekeeping is not possible in Sth Texas because moving hives is illegal. While there is no such law in Tucson and migratory beekeeping is still freely practised as there are no restrictions. They say the African bees are presently in Sth California and will soon be in LA. Well anyway I'm going on a bit but it sure was interesting, all in all, it would be a brave person indeed that would take on keeping the African Bees. Thanks muchly for your Propolis tincture recipe, I have added your entire post to my faves file, for further reference. Arohanui Carmen Article 31042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3C565EDE.829D38B2@iet.hist.no> Subject: Re: Newbie asks "Where does all the moisture go"? Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 02:40:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1013049655 24.31.219.77 (Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:40:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:40:55 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.abs.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31042 The old myth about not painting the insides of the hives goes on and on. Beekeepers seem to pass it on forever, without a test. Most beekeepers blindly follow it without being able to give a reason. Some will say it's because the bees "don't like" painted wood. This is nonsense, unless the box is used before the paint is fully dry. Let me suggest a test for all the disbelievers. Paint one new box only on the outside, and dip one box in paint, so all surfaces are covered. Then see which box warps, and which holds perfectly straight. When wood is painted on only one side the vapor transmission characteristics are unequal (yes paint does transmit some vapor), and the boards are set up to promote warpage. The best commercial beekeepers I know paint both sides (generally by dipping). Summertime moisture has not been a problem in my experience. But the wintertime high humidity of the hive (metabolism of the bees creates it) can cause severe problems in hives without good top ventilation. Water droplets form under the cover, or, in colder areas frost. This promotes mold and disease. A twig or bottle cap under a corner of the cover is sufficient to save many a hive from being soaked by this dripping. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Article 31043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maxant Industries Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:23:20 -0000 Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-73.sodium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1013066921 20925 62.136.10.73 (7 Feb 2002 07:28:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Feb 2002 07:28:41 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31043 Can anyone help with an email address for Maxant? The old one does not work anymore and their ads in Bee Culture and ABJ no longer show an email address. Article 31044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JG in NY" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1b093a58.0202051708.51a499aa@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Treatment for Varoa Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:40:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.58.52.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 1013071220 24.58.52.49 (Thu, 07 Feb 2002 03:40:20 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 03:40:20 EST Organization: Road Runner Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31044 yep. good time, too. little brood present, so the varroa are not under brood cappings, where apistan can't get 'em.. "Freddie Cooke" wrote in message news:1b093a58.0202051708.51a499aa@posting.google.com... > I treated my colonies September 2000 but was unable to repeat the > treatment last September. Is it alright to treat them with strips > later this month when I put the spring feeds on? Article 31045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Beekeeper euphoria Lines: 91 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 13:49:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1013089773 24.31.219.77 (Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:49:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:49:33 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-east.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31045 "Carmen" wrote in message news:a2jcqc$pv0$1@news.wave.co.nz... (in the thread Re: Varroa a state of mind) >>You're certainly on to something there, I have a distinct feeling of wellbeing after visiting hives and have often wondered whether others experience that same type of euphoria.>> I experience this as well, and would love to hear beekeeper comments on the possible cause(s) of this. For the most part I have attributed it to bee venom and often thought that those who wear a space suit have cut off one of the major benefits of beekeeping, as well as having the detriment of hearing one's own ham sizzling on a hot day. My standard bee suit is tan Dickies and a white t-shirt. If it's cold I wear a tan Dickie shirt. <> I did not work with bees for over a month. I found my arthritis increasingly painful, especially in the morning, when I could not close one hand into a fist, and the other only with a lot of pain. My wife handed me a jar to open, and I nearly cried, when I attempted it. This past week I got into the bees, got stung quite a few times, and the symptoms nearly disappeared. The effect lasts quite a while, a week at least. I've been awakening my wife with my "claws" opening and closing in front of her face, while I grin happily. (She thinks I'm nuts.) I am thoroughly convinced of that chemical change in my body from bee venom that suppresses arthritis pain. The euphoria is another thing, and upon reflection, it may be much more than solely a chemical thing. It is especially pronounced in the spring, when I get really high, and I come home in a delightful state, even when very tired. Besides the chemical effect, here are some of the pleasing aspects that may contribute to this euphoria: 1. Working outside: I am not fond of desk work. My computer time is usually in short stints, then I must get out and be active, or my productivity falls. Outside in the spring is something wonderful to me. 2. The harmony of bees and flowers: I have learned some botany by keeping bees, and the incredible complexity of their interactions blows my mind. To me, this is an occasion of worship of our Creator. The chance of it happening is less than the chance of my '57 Chevy being created by an explosion in an ore pit. 3. The fragrance of a healthy hive. The musky-sweet odor simply delights me, as much as it dismays me to pop a lid and experience the sickly-sour smell of parasitized bees, or the (really) foul smell of foulbrood. 4. The many varieties of odors of honey. 5. Visual satisfaction at the aesthetics of the bees, individual or en masse. This is especially true when watching a nice fat queen, but I like to watch workers and drones too. 6. Perhaps I tune with the visual or auditory rhythms of the dancing bees. Or maybe it's just the knowledge that a flow is on. It's always an exceptionally nice day for me when there is a lot of dancing. 7. The humming of the bees. This is definitely learned. When I first started keeping bees, this was perhaps the most frightening aspect. Now, the working hum of many contented bees is highly satisfying to me, while the sound of bees in attack mode is unpleasant. I have never enjoyed the odor of the warning pheromone, but that is probably an association as well. I try to take the time during the spring fruit bloom, to lay back for awhile in a shady spot and listen to the gentle hiss of the multitude, and watch the shapes of the individual bees against the sky. To me, this experience is about the ultimate in well-being. I'd like to hear from others about this euphoria, and what you think causes it. <> After suffering a bad case of heat exhaustion a few years back, I find the heat severely limits my beekeeping activity in hot weather, as it will start triggering the headache, nausea, cramps, shakiness, etc that anounce the onset of heat exhaustion. This is despite all my efforts to forestall it with pediatric electrolytes, etc. If I have to wear a bee suit in hot weather, I'm afraid I'll have to bow out. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Article 31046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3C565EDE.829D38B2@iet.hist.no> Subject: Re: Newbie asks "Where does all the moisture go"? Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:20:59 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3c628d14$0$22350$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.27 X-Trace: 1013091604 dread03.news.tele.dk 22350 195.249.242.27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31046 "Dave Green" skrev i en meddelelse news:XOl88.95257$a07.25035799@typhoon.southeast.rr.com... > The old myth about not painting the insides of the hives goes on and on. > Beekeepers seem to pass it on forever, without a test. Most beekeepers > blindly follow it without being able to give a reason. I can give you one reason why I am not painting my hives inside: Here in Denmark AFB is very well controlled. When we treat against AFB, we move the bees to a temporary box on strips to let the bees empty the honey stomach in their work building new wax. The bees sit there for three days. In the meantime the original hives are cleaned and inside they are wash run over with a flame. If the hives were painted inside, this was not possible, because the paint will bubble up, and maybe go into fire. after this treatment the bees are thrown into the hive again on fresh foundation. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 7-02-2002 Full accounting part build in. All in one software. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 31047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:57:06 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3c62cc01.430953614@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31047 On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 13:49:33 GMT, "Dave Green" wrote: > I'd like to hear from others about this euphoria, and what you think >causes it. You don't suppose it was that little tiny cigarette that you smoked on the way to the apiary do you? > After suffering a bad case of heat exhaustion a few years back, I find >the heat severely limits my beekeeping activity in hot weather, as it will >start triggering the headache, nausea, cramps, shakiness, etc that anounce >the onset of heat exhaustion. This is despite all my efforts to forestall it >with pediatric electrolytes, etc. If I have to wear a bee suit in hot >weather, I'm afraid I'll have to bow out. > Well I became middle aged today by turning 50. I never hurry in the bee yard as it really doesn't help. Personally I think Busch NA is the best thing to happen in beekeeping. When it is hot I ice it down in the cooler and Bob, my Jack Russel, and I head for the yards. I keep most of my hives in the edge of the woods facing South so by mid day they are in the shade. I take my time, drink lots of fluids (the NA) and bob drinks the melted ice. I wear shorts and a tee shirt and seldom have to don the bee suit. I like Sue Cobey's way of thinking, "If you need to were a veil, you need to requeen." > >-- >Dave Green SC USA >The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > > Article 31048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 23:05:19 -0600 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1pm66u8suqkjf2h8ps038tk2v5li1t40os@4ax.com> References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> <9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru> <29o06uk3s8b6lbmv1ovdikuf3cd0p7ut9q@4ax.com> <2002020523570175982@zetnet.co.uk> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.19 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1013144720 45248029 216.167.143.19 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.19!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31048 Phil Gurr said: >Primorsky Territory is located in the southern part of the Russian >Far East, at the edge of the Eurasian continent. It is bordered by >the East Sea/Sea of Japan, China, and the Democratic People's >Republic of Korea. Thanks very much.. I guess I could have looked that up myself, but I thought someone might be having us on. Since that 9-11 business I'm jumpy as a Saigon precinct chief. C.K. Article 31049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix1.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Date: 8 Feb 2002 06:15:45 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3c62cc01.430953614@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1013166946 29540 166.84.1.1 (8 Feb 2002 11:15:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Feb 2002 11:15:46 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31049 In article <3c62cc01.430953614@news1.radix.net>, beekeep wrote: >seldom have to don the bee suit. I like Sue Cobey's way of thinking, >"If you need to were a veil, you need to requeen." If you work bees from Eastern Europe, do you drink icy Vodka? :-) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 31050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix1.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Marked virgins and mating? Date: 8 Feb 2002 06:28:11 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 7 Message-ID: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1013167691 493 166.84.1.1 (8 Feb 2002 11:28:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Feb 2002 11:28:11 GMT Keywords: marked virgins mating queen marking Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!ord2-feed1.news.digex.net!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!panix!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31050 Has Anyone ever marked virgins with paint or number disc and had them mate successfully? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 31051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maxant Industries Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 07:53:34 -0600 Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYoH6sqM0U05sedsN4jgpejYl+Apwn0q+BGzWRGmxMUpM2mhod/VBIO X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Feb 2002 13:53:52 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31051 http://www.beesource.com/suppliers/usequip.htm > Can anyone help with an email address for Maxant? > The old one does not work anymore and their ads in Bee Culture and ABJ no > longer show an email address. Article 31052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Feb 2002 14:15:55 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Message-ID: <20020208091555.01930.00000247@mb-fj.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31052 > I like Sue Cobey's way of thinking, >>"If you need to were a veil, you need to requeen." > I have never met Sue but she must have some world class nose hair. I just can't concentrate on my beekeeping when the bees are up my nose and walking in and out of my ears. Article 31053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: [WTD] Bees- London UK Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.122.18.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1013178536 16207 213.122.18.184 (8 Feb 2002 14:28:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:28:56 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31053 I am a beehaver in london UK looking to obtain some early stock . So if you know of anyone who is giving up keeping or has any stock/nucs for gift or sale please let me know. Thanks. Article 31054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: chuckwm@hotmail.com (Chuck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Date: 8 Feb 2002 08:42:01 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 30 Message-ID: <1b48e0c5.0202080842.24e5a9ba@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.48.25.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1013186522 12806 127.0.0.1 (8 Feb 2002 16:42:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Feb 2002 16:42:02 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31054 "Dave Green" wrote Someone else wrote: > I have a distinct feeling of wellbeing after visiting hives and have often > wondered whether others experience that same type of euphoria. > > I experience this as well, and would love to hear beekeeper comments on > the possible cause(s) of this. For the most part I have attributed it to bee > venom and often thought that those who wear a space suit have cut off one of > the major benefits of beekeeping, as well as having the detriment of hearing > one's own ham sizzling on a hot day. My standard bee suit is tan Dickies and > a white t-shirt. If it's cold I wear a tan Dickie shirt. I think it's pheremones. I posed this question on Bee-L but got no answers. The reason I asked about it was first, I had noticed the euphoria you mention, and second, a Univ. of Chicago researcher had just proved the ability of humans to sense (and be affected by) pheremones. I don't think it's bee venom as I am rarely stung, certainly not every time I work my hives. Of course, I only have two hives. :?>) Like you, I usually work my bees in shorts and a t-shirt, but I'm not brave enough to skip the veil. Cheers, Chuck meadmaker beekeeper Geneva, IL Article 31055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BigTimber" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:37:28 -0600 Organization: Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Lines: 31 Sender: bigtimber@att.net Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pat.niti.com X-Trace: newsreader.mailgate.org 1013189437 32647 64.73.90.228 (8 Feb 2002 17:30:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@mailgate.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:30:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!news.mailgate.org!newsreader.mailgate.org!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31055 "Dave Green" wrote in message news:NBv88.96128$a07.25875093@typhoon.southeast.rr.com... > > After suffering a bad case of heat exhaustion a few years back, I find > the heat severely limits my beekeeping activity in hot weather, as it will > start triggering the headache, nausea, cramps, shakiness, etc that anounce > the onset of heat exhaustion. This is despite all my efforts to forestall it > with pediatric electrolytes, etc. If I have to wear a bee suit in hot > weather, I'm afraid I'll have to bow out. > Interesting side point... Your mention of heat exhaustion reminds me of a similar experience my Dad had. (The late Dr. F.E. Moeller, formerly head of the USDA Entomology Apiculture Research "Bee Lab" in Madison, WI.) He also contracted heat exhaustion one hot July afternoon, and was never the same after that; he used to drink salt water in an effort to prevent reoccurance, but still experienced the same warning signs you described when he worked his bees for any extended periods. Incidentally, he was also quite accustomed to being stung, and got the "high" (euphoria) being described in this thread. Anyway, a thought occurred to me on this -- might there be a connection between bee stings and increased tendency to contract heat exhaustion? I mean, besides the obvious fact that those who are working bees often do so out in the heat of the day anyway. -- Tim Moeller Article 31056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Date: 8 Feb 2002 14:36:37 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <1b48e0c5.0202080842.24e5a9ba@posting.google.com> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1013196998 1572 166.84.1.2 (8 Feb 2002 19:36:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Feb 2002 19:36:38 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31056 In article <1b48e0c5.0202080842.24e5a9ba@posting.google.com>, Chuck wrote: >I think it's pheremones. I posed this question on Bee-L but got no >answers. The reason I asked about it was first, I had noticed the >euphoria you mention, and second, a Univ. of Chicago researcher had >just proved the ability of humans to sense (and be affected by) >pheromones. "Pheromones" are very species specific. For example, a queen honey bee produces a compound that the workers are sensitive to at the lower nan-o-gram level. This is the billionth of a gram range. However, as the concentration of the compound goes up, the compound isn't perceived by the workers as pheromonal. It is too strong and is basically sensory static. We know this by using a tool that attaches tiny electrodes to bee's antenna. When puffs of pheromone are blown across the antenna, the response is recored. This is called an electroantennogram. One can also test pheromonal activity bye conducting behavioral experiments. Testing reactions to differing concentrations of the compound. If humans are able to respond to nan-o-gram levels of honey bee pheromonal compound, they are very sensitive, or are part insect! (Maybe they even have little antennas!) Remember: a pheromone is any olfactory compound that creates a significant response in the species. Mammalian pheromones are certainly not the same as Arthropodal pheromones. However, mammals certainly over time could begin to associate a behavioral response to a "smell". Our sense of smell is very closely associated with our memory. Maybe the euphoria experienced with bees is linked to the way they smell (bees, wax, nectar, propolis, outdoors etc...) and this smell is associated with a feeling of well-being, peace, accomplishment, etc. A "sniff" for thought. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf adamf@panix.com Article 31057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hvgjun@juno.com (Dennis Murrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marked virgins and mating? Date: 8 Feb 2002 15:45:22 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.153.212 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1013211923 24709 127.0.0.1 (8 Feb 2002 23:45:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Feb 2002 23:45:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31057 adamf@panix1.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) wrote in message news:... > Has Anyone ever marked virgins with paint or number disc and had them mate > successfully? > > Adam Yes, while working with accelerated queen rearing. Accelerated queen rearing involves using the mating nuc to raise a caged virgin while a older queen mates and returns to lay. Before the older queens eggs hatch she is caged and removed from the mating nuc for introduction elsewhere. Then the younger caged virgin is released into the nuc for mating and another caged virgin is introduced into the nuc to be raised. I marked the virgin before releasing her into the nuc for mating. Overall success was slightly less than with the unmarked queens. The bees and the queen didn't seem to be directly affected by the marking, but I wonder if the paint might have helped the birds zero in on a meal. Dennis Article 31058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chuck Coger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bleeching Wax Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 08:36:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.35.156.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.tampabay.rr.com 1013243817 65.35.156.107 (Sat, 09 Feb 2002 03:36:57 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 03:36:57 EST Organization: RoadRunner - TampaBay Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31058 Hello All, I saw the postings about cleaning Bee's wax, and it was very insightful. I have a need to remove all of the honey smell, as well as bleech the wax out to a slightly lighter shade. Any tips on how I can do this? Your help is appreciated. Chuck Coger Article 31059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Wallace" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bleeching Wax Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 03:48:17 -0800 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services, LLC Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.202.134 X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 1013247845 251070 207.144.202.134 (9 Feb 2002 09:44:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:44:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator!feed2.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31059 The use of a solar wax melter will lighten up wax color as for the smell I dont know, I like the way bees wax smells Chuck Coger wrote in message news:Jc598.62273$jO5.7907773@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com... > Hello All, > I saw the postings about cleaning Bee's wax, and it was very insightful. I > have a need to remove all of the honey smell, as well as bleech the wax out > to a slightly lighter shade. Any tips on how I can do this? Your help is > appreciated. > > Chuck Coger > > Article 31060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Wallace" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maxant Industries Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 03:49:29 -0800 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services, LLC Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.202.134 X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 1013247916 244479 207.144.202.134 (9 Feb 2002 09:45:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:45:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31060 http://www.maxantindustries.com/ Peter Edwards wrote in message news:a3tab9$kdt$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > Can anyone help with an email address for Maxant? > The old one does not work anymore and their ads in Bee Culture and ABJ no > longer show an email address. > > Article 31061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Software on apimo.dk Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:53:33 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 52 Message-ID: <3c6545c6$0$22266$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.17 X-Trace: 1013269958 dread03.news.tele.dk 22266 195.249.242.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!colt.net!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31061 What software can you find on my web : Hivenote and queenbreeding software full download 15MB free of charge for up to 10 hives only the accounting part of the software will expire after two month. http://apimo.dk/programs/beekeping_hivenote.exe if you already have the software then this: Update to the software 9.5MB free of charge for up to 10 hives. This update includes the accounting part. http://apimo.dk/programs/bidataupdate.exe Pollendata software for beekeepers free of charge around 3000 plants defined http://apimo.dk/programs/pollendatainstall.exe register software to the pollendata http://apimo.dk/programs/pollnumber.exe some pollen pictures for the Pollendata software http://apimo.dk/programs/pollpic.zip Barcode generating software if you need to put barcode on your honeylabel free of charge http://apimo.dk/programs/barcode.zip Palmdemo software for your PC with demo data. free of charge http://apimo.dk/progrms/palmdemo.zip +more registering fee is cheep : 45US for 40 hives registering and no expiring of the accounting. CD included 100US for full software included 2 years free support. CD´s included -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 08-02-2002 Added grouping and colouring of hives, accounting + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. 12 languages and Russian is on it way. home page = http://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 31062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: sitemanager@agrisupportonline.com (Shlomit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: AgriSupportOnline's Classified Ads Date: 9 Feb 2002 08:47:02 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6da0b6fe.0202090847.2f242d17@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.0.71.39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1013273224 12055 127.0.0.1 (9 Feb 2002 16:47:04 GMT)