From pollinator@aol.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:08 EST 1999 Article: 15716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Feb 1999 13:29:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990201082927.15374.00002635@ng151.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15716 We suppose we have a lot to think about with the coming of the year 2000. How about going back 2 millinia to consider how people thought about the approach of the year zero? I mean, let's face it; it must have been really scary. Will time reverse and go forward? Will I still be right handed? Do I count from I to X, or from X to I? Will bees fly backwards and go zzuB, zzuB, zzuB? Will the chariots still run? What will their odometers read? Will their wheels still be round? Will the Romans read from right to left and the Hebrews read from left to right? Just consider the technological terrors of the average homeowner. Is my sundial YZeroK compatible? Will my abacus become user surly? Will my compas point south? Will my scribes unsubscribe? Is zero the start of the new millenium, or is it I? What is zero, anyway? Is zero a leap year? Do you divide it by IV or is IV divided by zero? Do marriage licenses expire? Math certainly got a lot more complicated. If I was born in XXIII BC, and it's now XIV AD, hmmmmm, what age should I put on my job application? Do I add those two numbers together, or subtract them? How about the year Zero? If I found a library book when I packed to move, dated II-VI-IV, but I don't know whether it was BC or AD, how would the librarian compute my fine? Should we evacuate to a cave in the wilderness and plant big gardens and store lots of food, and collect a pile of spears and swords to defend it? And where in the world did that bright star come from? Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html The Pollination Home Page: http://www.pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From petty@negia.net Wed Feb 3 10:34:08 EST 1999 Article: 15717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.giganews.com!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "petty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Coumaphas for GA, SC, and NC Date: 28 Jan 1999 22:34:48 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01be4b0e$75c4a700$5ec92bcf@petty.negia.net> References: <19990123195424.21440.00002179@ng-fw1.aol.com> <36ABC999.33AD@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.43.201.94 X-Trace: 917562888 FJ6/YA4JNC95ECF2BC usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15717 coumaphas has NOT been approved for use in GA countrymeadow@ibm.net wrote in article <36ABC999.33AD@ibm.net>... > Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > > > > According to Inspectors with the NC DEPT OF Agriculture approval has been > > issued in GA, Possibly SC and is expected within 2 weeks for North Carolina. > > From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Wed Feb 3 10:34:09 EST 1999 Article: 15718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.missouri.edu!uky.edu!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!192.65.202.1!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Using old hive bodies? Date: 28 Jan 1999 14:19:36 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 10 Message-ID: <78prlo$5it$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <36AFBAF5.3285@erols.com> <36AFFC71.7BAAA77F@webzone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15718 While it's true that burning the equipment will remove the problem, you can also scorch the interiors of the hivebodies and supers in question, and boil the frames in a lye bath. This seems to work, at least for my bees and for AFB. It makes sense too if you look at the way AFB is spread (via spores in the scale left behind from the dehydrated brood corpses). I know that others have posted that spores may survive and remain viable after the boiling treatment, but that doesn't mean they will necessarily be taken up and applied to the brood in a way that will inffect it, particularly if you apply terramycin when you first use the equipment. From hamilton@pbssite.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:09 EST 1999 Article: 15719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!news-stl.cp.verio.net!news.navix.net!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: nails Date: 1 Feb 1999 13:26:09 GMT Organization: Professional Business Services Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <794a1h$ceq4@iac7.navix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cras1p2.navix.net X-Newsreader: News for Windows NT X1.0-93 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15719 I just got a couple more hives/frames new from UPS with 5 sizes of nails included .. what are the rules of what nails are used where or should I be contacting the manufacurer about what he put in for what? Dave From hensler@povn.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:10 EST 1999 Article: 15720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 10:43:03 -0800 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 16 Message-ID: <36B5F5B7.EB4@povn.com> References: <19990201082927.15374.00002635@ng151.aol.com> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp186.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15720 Yo All: A few weeks back "60 Minutes" did a segment on Y2K and an "expert" who they interviewed on the subject commented that "On Sat. morning, Jan. 1, 2000 we are going to wake up and some things won't work." So what's the big deal - I've had that problem for years. :-) Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:11 EST 1999 Article: 15721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Feb 1999 22:52:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990201082927.15374.00002635@ng151.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990201175236.01215.00002470@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15721 > > > And where in the world did that bright star come from? > > >Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > Ya know dave, that star seemed to make it all ok back then, i just bout bet it'll work this time round too :) Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From apipop@wanadoo.fr Wed Feb 3 10:34:11 EST 1999 Article: 15722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "JEAN-CLAUDE TREYVAUD" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I ask for bee pictures Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:32:13 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 28 Message-ID: <795919$177$1@platane.wanadoo.fr> References: <792c3r$j3n$1@ns1.otenet.gr> <793op5$3mr6$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tntmpl11-225.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15722 Try also the french site : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/gerard.solier/ Best regards JCT Jorn Johanesson a écrit dans le message <793op5$3mr6$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk>... > >ÂÁÓÉËÅÉÏÓ skrev i meddelelsen <792c3r$j3n$1@ns1.otenet.gr>... >>If you have any pictures of bees e-mail me. > > >You can get one on my homepage it is the Scandinavian Black bee and her >staff. > >best regards > > >EDBI = multilingual Beekeeping software >http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo >http://wn.com.au/apimo >http://www.apimo.dk >apimo@post4.tele.dk >apimo@wn.com.au >Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk > > > From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:12 EST 1999 Article: 15723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Feb 1999 22:59:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36B5F5B7.EB4@povn.com> Message-ID: <19990201175934.01215.00002472@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15723 >2000 we are going to wake up and some things won't work." > >So what's the big deal - I've had that problem for years. :-) > >Skip > wal sir they tells me that these hare egg heads back youned when folks uz jus larnin bout these hear puters..wel them fellars figured dit out that ya only needed half a da year wrote ta tell when it wuz that you wuz a lookin at. I figrres myself that tha hole thang come frum them fellas havin a hole heap a book sense an not one dang lick a common since...Thats whut i figgures. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:12 EST 1999 Article: 15724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nails Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Feb 1999 22:49:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <794a1h$ceq4@iac7.navix.net> Message-ID: <19990201174938.01215.00002468@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15724 >I just got a couple more hives/frames new from UPS with 5 sizes of nails >included .. > >what are the rules of what nails are used where or should I be contacting the >manufacurer about what he >put in for what? > >Dave > well dave its fairly simple the biggest ones go in the hive body next longest and slender nail the top bar to the frame sides and into the top bar from the side of the frame, one in each side next nail the bottom bar to the frame bottoms and last are the little buggers that hold in the wedge that you carefully break out of the top bar( with your hive tool is avery easy way ) and there be the life of a nail. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From lithar@midwest.net Wed Feb 3 10:34:13 EST 1999 Article: 15725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:23:24 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 53 Message-ID: <36B66FAC.6649@midwest.net> References: <36B5F5B7.EB4@povn.com> <19990201175934.01215.00002472@ng-ft1.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 917926013 .ZFUVYH4M1C14D0EBC usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15725 Seems Y2K isn't the first, or the worst of millennial upsets. AL FWIW, Y1K was the beginning of the dark ages ------------------------------------------------------------------ Translated from Latin scroll dated 2 BC Dear Cassius: Are you still working on the Y zero K problem? This change from BC to AD is giving us a lot of headaches and we haven't much time left. I don't know how people will cope with working the wrong way around. Having been working happily downwards forever, now we have to start thinking upwards. You would think that someone would have thought of it earlier and not left it to us to sort it all out at this last minute. I spoke to Caesar the other evening. He was livid that Julius hadn't done something about it when he was sorting out the calendar. He said he could see why Brutus turned nasty. We called in Consultus, but he simply said that continuing downwards using minus BC won't work and as usual charged a fortune for doing nothing useful. Surely, we will not have to throw out all our hardware and start again? Macrohard will make yet another fortune out of this I suppose. The money lenders are paranoid of course! They have been told that all usury rates will invert and they will have to pay their clients to take out loans. Its an ill wind.... As for myself, I just can't see the sand in an hourglass flowing upwards. We have heard that there are three wise men in the East who have been working on the problem, but unfortunately they won't arrive until it's all over. I have heard that there are plans to stable all horses at midnight at the turn of the year as there are fears that they will stop and try to run backwards, causing immense damage to chariots and possible loss of life. Some say the world will cease to exist at the moment of transition. Anyway, we are still continuing to work on this blasted Y zero K problem. I will send a parchment to you if anything further develops. If you have any ideas please let me know, Plutonius From cde049@airmail.net Wed Feb 3 10:34:13 EST 1999 Article: 15726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.207.0.26!nntp.giganews.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vac Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:32:04 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 40 Message-ID: <695BF69D12C9EB5E.3216B54045ED8005.EA30611696A08DCE@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <795rmh$9qu@library.airnews.net> References: <19990201062049.15531.00002631@ng30.aol.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon Feb 1 21:33:37 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: c\O00+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15726 Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990201062049.15531.00002631@ng30.aol.com>... >>Wa wud sumbdy bi soap frum a stor? We jus wup up a bnch wne we do chit'lins > >would them be hand slung and scraped wit a tin can lid or politely processed an >come in one a them plastic tubs ?? Tarnation yep we duz tem by hnd wit a can lid of some time weth a pece a hubcap from pap's Edsel. >Cooked down into slop or deep fried in rings like kalimarie. ? Deep frid krsp n krnchie. >Strong enough to kill trees within 100 yards or just slightly sinus relieving ? Hnt no trees in this section. >Cooked beside a house full a yankees so as to be declared a public service ? Na her we gots a problem. E'budy noth o da RED RIVER is a yankee as fer as I si it. Ya'll frem up nort frem weins. Pap sez we ned to go sout a da Brasos te be a rel "Son of the South" >Oh thars jus so many thangs ta consider when cookin up a mess a chitlins. We duz em wit rind to, thems goood etin. >From The Republic of Texas. YA HOOOO!!! From honey.road@sympatico.ca Wed Feb 3 10:34:14 EST 1999 Article: 15727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36B659BB.2998581F@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage - http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Start-up References: <79418b$ebo$1@quince.news.easynet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:49:49 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.143 X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 917920786 206.172.183.143 (Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:59:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:59:46 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15727 John, Check my web page for some info on beekeeping. I just started last year, so I know what your looking for. Allen B John Norman wrote: > Dear Newsgroup, > > I have always been interested in keeping bees, but up to now, I have not had > the time. > > Can any one recommend a good way to start, as I do not want to be > overwhelmed by getting too bogged down in equipment and protocol? > > Many thanks, > > John W Norman. > Somerset, UK. From abchome@webzone.net Wed Feb 3 10:34:15 EST 1999 Article: 15728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in4.uu.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.visi.net!WCG!WCG-Reader.POSTED!wznews.webzone.net!208.152.100.190 Message-ID: <36B68B55.4D7F77CB@webzone.net> From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Menthol References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BAF2DFB61E32A02F517F4A1B" Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 141 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:21:26 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.23.10 X-Trace: WCG-Reader 917932913 205.219.23.10 (Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:21:53 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:21:53 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15728 --------------BAF2DFB61E32A02F517F4A1B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK Dewit don't get hasty and start throwing away stuff yet. (except the Terramyacit -- throw that stuff away it is old and wouldn't work even if it was the right kind,) You have a good idea of using just new stuff to start out with. be sure to glue all parts togther and use nails in all the fingers of the joints. and paint all exterior parts with a couple of coats of paint (do not paint inside parts) There is always one exception and that is to paint both sides of the bottom board. The menthol is used only in late fall and early spring, In Oklahoma we put it on in the fall after the highs no longer reach 80 degreese and take it off about a week before we put on the spring supers, that is well before the highs reach 80. Apistan is used in the hive to treat the other mite, it is also used when there are no supers on the hives. Do not worry about terramyacin untill next fall you should never treat a new hive. The used equipment may be just fine even if it had mites or mothes, find your local club. believe me there are many local clubs in texas, they will know what to do with the old equipment if you do not want it. (some beekeepers will take anything they can get) Finally I would suggest that you start out with just 2 hives and have fun with them untill you get comfortable with them. unless you are retired and have lots of time on your hand. P.S. durring the summer you can use some Tobacco in your smoker and it will knock the mites off the bees a sticky board on the bottom will make sure they do not get back onto the bees. This is usually used to detect wether or not you have mites but anything helps mid season when you cannot medicate. Good luck and have fun. Donald dewitt wrote: > I have a Question and a Problem. > > First the problem, I worked with my next-door neighbor last bee season > unfortunately, and sadly he died over the winter so did his hives. I'm > beginning to think I might have learned quite a few bad habits as he never > medicated for mites, and as far as I can tell he used some terramycin that > he got at the horse auction. > > His widow told me he wanted me to have his equipment so I emptied his barn > from the looks of things the only things I am planing on using is the stuff > he never put together, opened the box on or used. There is still enough to > make about seven or eight hives. I'll burn the rest. > > I hope the other poor practices I learned will be as easy to spot. > > Now the question. Menthol is used for mite protection right? I read > somewhere that it evaporates at 90 something degrees. What happens here in > Texas when it is that hot at midnight? Is there something else you use? > > I am relay looking forward to this year on my own I just hope I'll not shoot > myself in the foot too often. Or worse hurt the girls. > > Cliff > > In the Old Republic of Texas (before the nuts claimed it) --------------BAF2DFB61E32A02F517F4A1B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK Dewit  don't get hasty and start throwing away stuff yet. (except the Terramyacit -- throw that stuff away it is old and wouldn't work even if it was the right kind,)

You have a good idea of using just new stuff to start out with. be sure to glue all parts togther and use nails in all the fingers of the joints.  and paint all exterior parts with a couple of coats of paint (do not paint inside parts)  There is always one exception and that is to paint both sides of the bottom board.

The menthol is used only in late fall and early spring,  In Oklahoma we put it on in the fall after the highs no longer reach 80 degreese and take it off about a week before we put on the spring supers,  that is well before the highs reach 80.   Apistan is used in the hive to treat the other mite, it is also used when there are no supers on the hives. Do not worry about terramyacin untill next fall you should never treat a new hive.

The used equipment may be just fine even if it had mites or mothes,  find your local club. believe me there are many local clubs in texas,  they will know what to do with the old equipment if you do not want it.   (some beekeepers will take anything they can get)

Finally I would suggest that you start out with just 2 hives and have fun with them untill you get comfortable with them.  unless you are retired and have lots of time on your hand.
 

P.S.  durring the summer you can use some Tobacco in your smoker and it will knock the mites off the bees a sticky board on the bottom will make sure they do not get back onto the bees.  This is usually used to detect wether or not you have mites but anything helps mid season when you cannot medicate.

Good luck and have fun.
Donald
 
 

dewitt wrote:

I have a Question and a Problem.

First the problem, I worked with my next-door neighbor last bee season
unfortunately, and sadly he died over the winter so did his hives. I'm
beginning to think I might have learned quite a few bad habits as he never
medicated for mites, and as far as I can tell he used some terramycin  that
he got at the horse auction.

His widow told me he wanted me to have his equipment so I emptied his barn
from the looks of things the only things I am planing on using is the stuff
he never put together, opened the box on or used. There is still enough to
make about seven or eight hives. I'll burn the rest.

I hope the other poor practices I learned will be as easy to spot.

Now the question. Menthol is used for mite protection right?  I read
somewhere that it evaporates at 90 something degrees. What happens here in
Texas when it is that hot at midnight?  Is there something else you use?

I am relay looking forward to this year on my own I just hope I'll not shoot
myself in the foot too often.  Or worse hurt the girls.

Cliff

In the Old Republic of Texas (before the nuts claimed it)

--------------BAF2DFB61E32A02F517F4A1B-- From wicks@joplin.mt.us Wed Feb 3 10:34:15 EST 1999 Article: 15729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news9.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: wicks@joplin.mt.us Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need a source for bees Message-ID: <36b67b3b.42355436@news.cybercen.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.107.238.130 X-Trace: news9.ispnews.com 917928031 206.107.238.130 (Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:00:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:00:31 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 04:13:52 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15729 I need a source to fill up my old hives. Any suggestions Mark WICKS LAND & LIVESTOCK Mark, Beth & Hunter Wicks RR1 Joplin. MT 59531 406-292-3519 wicks@joplin.mt.us From cde049@airmail.net Wed Feb 3 10:34:16 EST 1999 Article: 15730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.flash.net!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Menthol Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:10:39 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 28 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <795tus$82n@library.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon Feb 1 22:12:12 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: c\O00+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15730 I have a Question and a Problem. First the problem, I worked with my next-door neighbor last bee season unfortunately, and sadly he died over the winter so did his hives. I'm beginning to think I might have learned quite a few bad habits as he never medicated for mites, and as far as I can tell he used some terramycin that he got at the horse auction. His widow told me he wanted me to have his equipment so I emptied his barn >from the looks of things the only things I am planing on using is the stuff he never put together, opened the box on or used. There is still enough to make about seven or eight hives. I'll burn the rest. I hope the other poor practices I learned will be as easy to spot. Now the question. Menthol is used for mite protection right? I read somewhere that it evaporates at 90 something degrees. What happens here in Texas when it is that hot at midnight? Is there something else you use? I am relay looking forward to this year on my own I just hope I'll not shoot myself in the foot too often. Or worse hurt the girls. Cliff In the Old Republic of Texas (before the nuts claimed it) From Barry@Birkey.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:16 EST 1999 Article: 15731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Menthol Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 00:03:10 -0600 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 23 Message-ID: <36B693A8.60E725B2@Birkey.com> References: <36B68B55.4D7F77CB@webzone.net> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.142.148 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15731 Donald Franson wrote: > joints. and paint all exterior parts with a couple of coats of paint > (do not paint inside parts) There is always one exception and that is > to paint both sides of the bottom board. The fear here is that, if you paint the inside parts of the wood too, it will last longer and the hive manufacture won't be making sales nearly as often. > is well before the highs reach 80. Apistan is used in the hive to > treat the other mite, Gee, I've never used Apistan to treat that mite, I've always used it for Varroa. ;-) -Barry -- Barry Birkey Illinios, USA -------------------------------------------- barry@birkey.com > http://www.birkey.com From amschelp@pe.net Wed Feb 3 10:34:17 EST 1999 Article: 15732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.139.56.103!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Went Bye Bye Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:35:24 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <01be464b$2493a560$a505480c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: c2p019.hem.pe.net X-Trace: market.pe.net 917937171 7049 216.100.28.119 (2 Feb 1999 06:32:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Feb 1999 06:32:51 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15732 I know, I was thinking the same thing, but my Langstroth bees swarmed away one time too. No sign of predators or disease. The combs (although I have not removed them and melted them down yet), on first examination seem to be totally fine and clean. They absconded with all honey and nectar and everything leaving just a ghost town of empty cells. Do you think a heavy disruption like tree trimming with big branches falling down all around them would make them abscond George? In article <01be464b$2493a560$a505480c@default>, gstyLer@worldnet.att.net says... > Should have kept them in a Laangstroth coop! Just kidding Peter. Any signs > of predation or disease that might ause them to abscond? > From apimo@apimo.dk Wed Feb 3 10:34:18 EST 1999 Article: 15733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I ask for bee pictures Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:30:03 +0100 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <793op5$3mr6$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> References: <792c3r$j3n$1@ns1.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip97.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news-inn.inet.tele.dk 917857893 121702 (None) 195.249.242.97 (01-02-99 08:31:33 GMT) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15733 ÂÁÓÉËÅÉÏÓ skrev i meddelelsen <792c3r$j3n$1@ns1.otenet.gr>... >If you have any pictures of bees e-mail me. You can get one on my homepage it is the Scandinavian Black bee and her staff. best regards EDBI = multilingual Beekeeping software http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo http://wn.com.au/apimo http://www.apimo.dk apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From abchome@webzone.net Wed Feb 3 10:34:18 EST 1999 Article: 15734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <36B69552.E4DD0BED@webzone.net> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 00:04:03 -0600 From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again References: <19990201082927.15374.00002635@ng151.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.152.100.190 X-Trace: 2 Feb 1999 00:05:57 -0600, 208.152.100.190 Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 62 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!newsfeed.atl!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.1.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!wznews.webzone.net!208.152.100.190 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15734 Maybe the Y2K Bug won't all be bad. Witness the following inner office memo..... January 1, 2000 Re: Vacation Pay Dear Valued Employee: Our records indicate that you have not used any vacation time over the past 100 year(s). As I'm sure you are aware, employees are granted 3 weeks of paid leave per year or pay in lieu of time off. One additional week is granted for every 5 years of service. Please either take 9,400 days off work or notify our office and your next pay cheque will reflect payment of $8,277,432.22 which will include all pay and interest for the past 1,200 months. Sincerely, Automated Payroll Processing I enjoyed yours, hope you enjoy mine. Pollinator wrote: > We suppose we have a lot to think about with the coming of the year 2000. > How about going back 2 millinia to consider how people thought about the > approach of the year zero? > > I mean, let's face it; it must have been really scary. Will time reverse > and go forward? Will I still be right handed? Do I count from I to X, or from > X to I? Will bees fly backwards and go zzuB, zzuB, zzuB? Will the chariots > still run? What will their odometers read? Will their wheels still be round? > Will the Romans read from right to left and the Hebrews read from left to > right? > > Just consider the technological terrors of the average homeowner. Is my > sundial YZeroK compatible? Will my abacus become user surly? Will my compas > point south? Will my scribes unsubscribe? Is zero the start of the new > millenium, or is it I? What is zero, anyway? Is zero a leap year? Do you > divide it by IV or is IV divided by zero? Do marriage licenses expire? > > Math certainly got a lot more complicated. If I was born in XXIII BC, and > it's now XIV AD, hmmmmm, what age should I put on my job application? Do I add > those two numbers together, or subtract them? How about the year Zero? > > If I found a library book when I packed to move, dated II-VI-IV, but I > don't know whether it was BC or AD, how would the librarian compute my fine? > > Should we evacuate to a cave in the wilderness and plant big gardens and > store lots of food, and collect a pile of spears and swords to defend it? > > And where in the world did that bright star come from? > > Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > The Pollination Home Page: http://www.pollinator.com > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From valkyrie@valkyrie.co.nz Wed Feb 3 10:34:19 EST 1999 Article: 15735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!aruba.odu.edu!reznor.larc.nasa.gov!cnn.nas.nasa.gov!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!remarQ60!supernews.com!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: Adrian T Stacey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reply to question Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:10:15 +1300 Organization: Valkyrie Systems Ltd Lines: 7 Message-ID: <36AEF416.8F6A843F@valkyrie.co.nz> References: <19990122065319.05420.00000813@ng-fu1.aol.com> <19990122092441.03802.00001021@ng96.aol.com> <78l8ua$ba5$1@spock.tinet.ie> <36AE97BA.A864C9C1@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.chc.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; U) Cache-Post-Path: newsch.es.co.nz!unknown@p28-max4.chc.ihug.co.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15735 Bill Greenrose wrote: > not sure about a sense of irony. i used to wonder if my general ignorance and > apathy were problems and then i thought "Who knows? Who cares?" But can you iron? :) From adamf@vt.edu Wed Feb 3 10:34:19 EST 1999 Article: 15736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.ultranet.com!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Green bees?! Help! Date: 29 Jan 1999 04:41:58 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <78re6m$1fc$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19990127185302.24262.00000055@ng147.aol.com> <36B04AE3.4EF7@juno.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port13.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15736 In article <36B04AE3.4EF7@juno.com>, tomas mozer wrote: >check out the solitary bees website: > >http://www.uidaho.edu/pses/Strickler/SolitaryBees/solitary.htm > This bee sounds like an halictid. A solitary bee. There' s a picture of one on the left at: http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:20 EST 1999 Article: 15737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!aruba.odu.edu!reznor.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fried brood?! Do people really eat this? Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jan 1999 14:08:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36AF1481.DE0D12C8@nospam.boeing.com> Message-ID: <19990127090845.11167.00003973@ng95.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15737 >urprised me with a reference to eating >fried brood. I have never heard of anyone eating bee brood. Do p > I swear, Southerners will eat anything! ;-) > The practice of consuming bee brood as well as other high protein natural foods is common practice in many jungle areas. And is included in many wilderness survival training programs. The brood can be comsumed raw, as many of the native amazon tribes consume it ( whole in the comb ) or can be shaken out into deep fat for a crispy treat, lightly seasoned, salt to taste. crunchy like pork skins. thar i has made my edcuational pitch fer the day. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:21 EST 1999 Article: 15738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!aruba.odu.edu!reznor.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reply to question Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jan 1999 14:18:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36AE7AB4.5045@midwest.net> Message-ID: <19990127091800.11167.00003975@ng95.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15738 >yer eatin' fried brood when ya got crawdaddies??? > > >AL > Don't quite know if'n ya had any lately but 2 inchers ain't much of a meal. Now if'n any a ya'll down towrd Na Orlaens could sen me a mess I'd sho nuf put a hurtin on em. Our local creeks ain't got over that dang hurrican yet and as much as i love cotton mouths I just can't see fightin them in all them blowed over trees jus for a couple a short crawdads. Crawdad poor and having ta settle fer baked possum...........helpppppp Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of the " Big Johnson Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From swienty@swienty.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:21 EST 1999 Article: 15739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!193.162.146.37!news1.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Swienty A/S" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Instrumental Insemination Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:45:14 +0100 Organization: Customer at Tele Danmark Erhverv Lines: 35 Message-ID: <78sd3i$3u4$1@miri.tele.dk> References: <36ACCE49.1298C3C4@webzone.net> <78lefb$p66$1@golux.radix.net> <36B00118.8CA4F5E2@webzone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: buff-28.dia.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15739 Try www.swienty.com Donald Franson wrote in message <36B00118.8CA4F5E2@webzone.net>... >Yes I would like to see what you came up with, I have found a cheap unit >(cheap?) that Thorn sells for 375 but that is a rather crude device. I >guess it would be a good start though to get my queens bred the way I want >them. Genetics is a tricky art but with the close proximity of the >africanized honeybees I do not want my queen business to suffer. > >Found Schley's web page and Susan Cobys pages but that is about all I could >find on the net. did not hurt to ask. > >Donald > > > >Adam Finkelstein wrote: > >> In article <36ACCE49.1298C3C4@webzone.net>, >> Donald Franson wrote: >> >Does anyone know anyone with any used insemination equipment >> >for honeybees that they would be willing to sell for a >> >reasonable price?? >> > >> >> Hi. I queried the net for the same equipment a few months ago. No luck. >> If you want, I'll post what I turned up. Most definitely not used. There >> are a range prices however. >> Adam >> -- >> Adam Finkelstein >> adamf@vt.edu >> http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf > From tomasmozer@juno.com Wed Feb 3 10:34:22 EST 1999 Article: 15740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Coumaphas for GA, SC, and NC Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 03:07:46 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 4 Message-ID: <36B19682.5827@juno.com> References: <19990123195424.21440.00002179@ng-fw1.aol.com> <36ABC999.33AD@ibm.net> <01be4b0e$75c4a700$5ec92bcf@petty.negia.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 917620462 OCZ7E7JIA4803D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: petty Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15740 check often for updates: http://www.mannlakeltd.com/cuma.html From schwaller@schwaller.demon.co.uk Wed Feb 3 10:34:22 EST 1999 Article: 15741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!schwaller.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Schwaller" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Verroa Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:29:15 -0000 Message-ID: <917962157.27587.0.nnrp-02.9e983336@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: schwaller.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: schwaller.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.54 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 917962157 nnrp-02:27587 NO-IDENT schwaller.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 38 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15741 North Star Bond End Knaresboeough HG5 9AP Tel 01423 865387 February 1, 1999 Verroa can be overcome Verroa can be overcome, using a tincture made with green almond husks (not shells) and alcohol. So take a large screwtop jar and fill it with shredded almond husks to about half an inch from the top, then fill it with alcohol ( I use Vodka) to just cover the husks and then screw the top on. Leave for approximately one month by which time the tincture is ready to use. Strain the tincture into a clean bottle. Fix a piece of linen to the full length of the dummy board and paint the tincture onto it till the cloth is well saturated then place the dummy board behind the frames with the cloth facing the brood combs. After a month the dummy board is taken out of the brood box , retreated and then replaced back in the brood box. Having used this method for two years my hives appear to be virtually free of veroa. I leave treated dummy board in the hives throughout the year because the tincture is non toxic it therefore cannot affect the honey or the bees. P.S. The alcohol is required to extract the active principle from the husks. Vodka is used because it is odorless and economical. When I inspect the bees I always remove some of the capped drone brood, to test for veroa . I am pleased to report that the drone brood is without blemish. Take note The jar must be full of the shredded husks before you add the alcohol. Too much alcohol will make the tincture useless Shredded walnut husks can be used instead the result will be the same The article is submitted as an item of interest E. W. Schwaller From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Wed Feb 3 10:34:23 EST 1999 Article: 15742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Date: Tue, 02 Feb 99 08:07:43 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 61 Message-ID: <182D97251S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19990201082927.15374.00002635@ng151.aol.com> <36B5F5B7.EB4@povn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!-program!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15742 There was once a COBOL programmer in the mid to late 1990s. For the sake of this story, we'll call him Jack. After years of being taken for granted and treated as a technological dinosaur by all the UNIX programmers and Client/Server programmers and website developers, Jack was finally getting some respect. He'd become a private consultant specializing in Year 2000 conversions. He was working short-term assignments for prestige companies, traveling all over the world on different assignments. He was working 70 and 80 and even 90 hour weeks, but it was worth it. Several years of this relentless, mind-numbing work had taken its toll on Jack. He had problems sleeping and began having anxiety dreams about the Year 2000. It had reached a point where even the thought of the year 2000 made him nearly violent. He must have suffered some sort of breakdown, because all he could think about was how he could avoid the year 2000 and all that came with it. Jack decided to contact a company that specialized in cryogenics. He made a deal to have himself frozen until March 15th, 2000. This was a very expensive process and totally automated. He was thrilled. The next thing he would know is he'd wake up in the year 2000; after the New Year celebrations and computer debacles; after the leap day. Nothing else to worry about except getting on with his life. He was put into his cryogenic receptacle, the technicians set the revive date, he was given injections to slow his heartbeat to a bare minimum, and that was that. The next thing that Jack saw was an enormous and very modern room filled with excited people. They were all shouting "I can't believe it!" and "It's a miracle" and "He's alive!". There were cameras (unlike any he'd ever seen) and equipment that looked like it came out of a science fiction movie. Someone who was obviously a spokesperson for the group stepped forward. Jack couldn't contain his enthusiasm. "It is over?" he asked. "Is 2000 already here? Are all the millennial parties and promotions and crises all over and done with?" The spokesman explained that there had been a problem with the programming of the timer on Jack's cryogenic receptacle, it hadn't been year 2000 compliant. It was actually eight thousand years later, not the year 2000. But the spokesman told Jack that he shouldn't get excited; someone important wanted to speak to him. Suddenly a wall-sized projection screen displayed the image of a man that looked very much like Bill Gates. This man was Prime Minister of Earth. He told Jack not to be upset. That this was a wonderful time to be alive. That there was world peace and no more starvation. That the space program had been reinstated and there were colonies on the moon and on Mars. That technology had advanced to such a degree that everyone had virtual reality interfaces which allowed them to contact anyone else on the planet, or to watch any entertainment, or to hear any music recorded anywhere. "That sounds terrific," said Jack. "But I'm curious. Why is everybody so interested in me?" "Well," said the Prime Minister. "The year 10000 is just around the corner, and it says in your files that you know COBOL." From gl4559@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:20 EST 1999 Article: 15749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.ultranet.com!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gl4559@aol.com (GL4559) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where can I buy Borax?(for Beeswax hand cream) Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Feb 1999 04:58:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990202235801.17835.00003617@ng34.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15749 Could someone give Me the name of a supplier of Borax for making Beeswax hand cream? I checked all My local drug stores and they are unable to get it. Has it all of a sudden become another banned substance? Thank You. G.Libby LibBEE@msn.com From htho@se.bel.alcatel.be Mon Feb 8 06:08:21 EST 1999 Article: 15750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!-program!EU.net!news0.Belgium.EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!usenet From: Hugo Thone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: russian queen bees Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:49:52 +0100 Organization: Alcatel Telecom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <36AC92A0.25AEDB4A@se.bel.alcatel.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: btmw10.se.bel.alcatel.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15750 Hello all, A paper on varroa tolerant Russian Queen bees by J. Raloff was published in SCIENCE NEWS ONLINE on August 8, 1998. These bees are living in Primorski (Russian Pacific Coast) and are they should be able to resist the varroa mite. Thomas E. Rinderer of the U.S. Department of Agriculture honeybee laboratory in Baton Rouge,La. has set up a breeding program with these bees in the US. Is there anybody on the web who can give me an address where I can get more information on these bees or where I can order such queens (either in the US or in Russia) ? TIA Hugo (the half-a-bee) -- Hugo Thone (VE144) | email htho@se.bel.alcatel.be | do bee do bee do ALCATEL TELECOM | phone (32) 3 240 94 52 | (\ F.Wellesplein 1 | fax (32) 3 240 99 49 | {|||8- B-2018 Antwerp | | (/ From adamf@vt.edu Mon Feb 8 06:08:22 EST 1999 Article: 15751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!feed2.nntp.acc.ca!feed.nntp.acc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa and evolution Date: 3 Feb 1999 06:00:14 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <798ole$k8b$1@golux.radix.net> References: <36B77E92.2A821811@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port4.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15751 In article <36B77E92.2A821811@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca>, Ulli Hoger wrote: >Variation allows this population to react to changing enviromental >conditions, leading eventually to subspecies or even new species within >a number of generation. Perhaps. What is the definition of "species" or "sub-species". >Beekeepers tried, and are still doing this, to reduce the mites by >cutting out capped drone brood. This created a new selection force. >Against "normal" drone prefering individuals. The number of such >individuals decreased in the population (lower reproduction rate). >Questions: Do we have in our days already a different "subspecies" of >Varroa in A. mellifera hives? Again, you need to define what you mean by "species" and "subspecies". Sounds like the management selection is driving the population toward a change. Remember, selection on populations for phenotypic differences can be rapid, but (and you again need to define it) speciation is an event that is incredibly difficult to demark and describe in "evolutionary" time. >Is cutting out drone brood still a way to >reduce, to control, or to monitor the mite population in a hive? >Shouldn't bee researchers and institutes check, if the paradigma that >Varroa prefers drone brood cells in A. mellifera is still true? Sure-- They need to be paid to do this though. Convince someone to fund this research and bang someone has an interesting research program. >This ideas change nothing at all for Varroa treatment and related >problems. But it would be interesting to see if A. mellifera already >has her very own Varroa mites (these wouldn't be able to reproduce in >the asian host species). Yes, this would be interesting to test--you could use all the "in" molecular tools too. A real "find 'em and grind 'em" research project. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From uhogerli@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Mon Feb 8 06:08:22 EST 1999 Article: 15752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.dal.ca!nntp-user From: Ulli Hoger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa and evolution Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:39:14 -0400 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 55 Message-ID: <36B77E92.2A821811@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15752 Hi everybody, during my christmas break I had the opportunity to meet with beekeeper fellows. We discussed the current Varroa situation in Germany. Some of these guys monitor the Varroa population in their hives very seriously by counting every week the dead mites on the bottom board. They have the impression that they find less mites in capped drone brood cells than lets say 5 years ago. After treatment is was clearly that the mites are still in usual numbers in the hives. Theorie: Varroa prefers drone brood cells for reproduction. Conclusion from observation above: Not anymore? My idea: A basic mechanism of evolution is variation in a population. Variation allows this population to react to changing enviromental conditions, leading eventually to subspecies or even new species within a number of generation. What does this eventually mean to Varroa? Varroa was on the initial asian host species only able to reproduce successfully in drone cells. The capping time of worker brood was simply to short. In Apis mellifera this enviromental condition changed, the capping time of worker brood is sufficient for Varroa reproduction. "Unnormal" Varroa individuals (part of the variance) with preference for worker brood or without any preference were suddenly able to reproduce. Therefore the part of these "Unnormal" mites became bigger in the population. Beekeepers tried, and are still doing this, to reduce the mites by cutting out capped drone brood. This created a new selection force. Against "normal" drone prefering individuals. The number of such individuals decreased in the population (lower reproduction rate). Questions: Do we have in our days already a different "subspecies" of Varroa in A. mellifera hives? Is cutting out drone brood still a way to reduce, to control, or to monitor the mite population in a hive? Shouldn't bee researchers and institutes check, if the paradigma that Varroa prefers drone brood cells in A. mellifera is still true? This ideas change nothing at all for Varroa treatment and related problems. But it would be interesting to see if A. mellifera already has her very own Varroa mites (these wouldn't be able to reproduce in the asian host species). Suggestions or Comments? Looking forward to read your statements Cheers Ulli Ulli Hoger Dept Physiology & Biophysics Dalhousie University Halifax, NS Canada uhoger@tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca From snewport@pavilion.co.uk Mon Feb 8 06:08:23 EST 1999 Article: 15753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Recipe Ideas Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 22:14:58 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Lines: 4 Message-ID: <36b77899.9821417@news.pavilion.net> Reply-To: snewport@pavilion.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dyna1-47.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 917993748 29321 194.242.139.47 (2 Feb 1999 22:15:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Feb 1999 22:15:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15753 I am after some recipe ideas for creams (hand/face/foot), salves (propolis) and lip balms. Can anybody make any suggestions please ? Thanks. From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:24 EST 1999 Article: 15754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa and evolution Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Feb 1999 23:31:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36B77E92.2A821811@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Message-ID: <19990202183147.00917.00002610@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15754 > >This ideas change nothing at all for Varroa treatment and related >problems. But it would be interesting to see if A. mellifera already >has her very own Varroa mites (these wouldn't be able to reproduce in >the asian host species). > >Suggestions or Comments? > >Looking forward to read your statements > >Cheers > >Ulli > > >Ulli Hoger >Dept Physiology & Biophysics >Dalhousie University >Halifax, NS >Canada > >uhoger@tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca I must say that in hive removals and even in my hives here in the yard, I have not noticed a significant love for drone cells, the american transplanted varroa , at least in my neck of the woods will take her brood where she can find it ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From mister-t@zzclinic.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:24 EST 1999 Article: 15755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <36B84E82.7CBF8246@zzclinic.net> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:26:26 -0500 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Recipe Ideas References: <36b77899.9821417@news.pavilion.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p2-48.clinic.net X-Trace: 3 Feb 1999 08:27:46 -0500, d-p2-48.clinic.net Lines: 23 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.destek.net!d-p2-48.clinic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15755 Check the book "Super Formulas" by Elaine White, Valley Hills Press which has loads of bees wax, honey and other craft ideas- including making mead and vinegar from honey. As far as hand cream- 4-5 oz bees wax, 1 1/3 cup water, one pint mineral oil, two tsp borax. Melt wax in oil- carefully it burns. If you heat it in a double boiler it is safer. Heat water to about 175 with borax. Add melted wax mix to water mix, stir and put into jars. You can use it for hand cream, lip salve, whatever (I have even used it on boots!). The amount of wax determines the consistancy, less wax makes it more creamy. Great stuff Bill Truesdell Bath, ME Steve Newport wrote: > > I am after some recipe ideas for creams (hand/face/foot), salves > (propolis) and lip balms. > > Can anybody make any suggestions please ? Thanks. -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. From anthony@iet.hist.no Mon Feb 8 06:08:25 EST 1999 Article: 15756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!uninett.no!not-for-mail From: Anthony N Morgan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa and evolution Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:16:30 +0100 Organization: Sor-Trondelag College, Division of Electronic Engineering Lines: 19 Message-ID: <36B84C2E.76FB8A15@iet.hist.no> References: <36B77E92.2A821811@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> <798ole$k8b$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: snipp.uninett.no 918047853 20996 158.38.51.37 (3 Feb 1999 13:17:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@uninett.no X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15756 Adam, you wrote: .......... > Again, you need to define what you mean by "species" and "subspecies". ......... OK offer us some possible definitions. Would the term "race" or "ecotype" be applicable? Again how would you define these terms? 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From abchome@webzone.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:26 EST 1999 Article: 15758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <36ACCE49.1298C3C4@webzone.net> From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Instrumental Insemination Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 4 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:04:26 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.23.10 X-Trace: WCG-Reader 917294874 205.219.23.10 (Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:07:54 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:07:54 CDT Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!WCG!WCG-Reader.POSTED!wznews.webzone.net!208.137.185.214 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15758 Does anyone know anyone with any used insemination equipment for honeybees that they would be willing to sell for a reasonable price?? From cde049@airmail.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:27 EST 1999 Article: 15759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!nntp.flash.net!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Three Rools of Real Estate Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:45:34 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 34 Message-ID: <19AD4794D888B72B.5CC1939A1ED2555F.7D0499686BB6F14F@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <79b1nk$4vd@library2.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.iadfw.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Feb 3 20:47:17 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: c\OS++Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15759 they are Location ,location, and location. I am just setting up my apiary and I have the choice of two locations. They are both about 200 feet from the house, one is in an old horse stall, which will probable never be used for horses again, behind a chain link fence with 5 acres of untended weeds. It would provide guaranteed deep shade but no grass under foot. There is an old "tack" room for storage (never could bee clean enough for honey usage.) but could hold empty hives. There are fence line trees all around the building and there are no sight lines off our property, however you can not see the stalls from the house you have to go through the gate to get there. The second is along our property line in back about 150 feet from the other location (our property borders 10 plus acres of pasture cut once or twice a season . There is no human traffic on this parcel of land. It has about 50% shade from the tall trees around it grass under foot. It is in clear sight of the house, the opening of the hives would face south same as above. the hives would be right next (15 to 20 feet) to my pottery shed where I do 5 to 7 hours of work a week, but not too far from my wood burning Kiln (50 to 75 feet). the wind back there usually blows north to south and reciprocal the hives would be west of the kiln on the same line. The loft of the pottery barn could be used for storage also. there is a stock pond about 300 feet from the second location and about 450 to 500 feet from the first. We had one of the worst drought ever in north Texas last year and the pond still had water in it. Any ideas on what I haven't considered? I welcome any and all suggestions as I want to put in racks about 18 inches hi by 20 feet long to set the hives on and I don't want to dig all those holes more than once. From msimics@direct.ca Mon Feb 8 06:08:28 EST 1999 Article: 15760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsgate.direct.ca!not-for-mail From: "Michael Simics" Subject: Bee venom collection training course Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: Apitronic Services Message-ID: <01be4fc0$2352d9e0$328542d8@michael> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 5 Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 22:01:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.66.133.50 X-Trace: newsgate.direct.ca 918079266 216.66.133.50 (Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:01:06 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:01:06 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15760 Check out our web site on an upcoming bee venom collection training course at http://www.beevenom.com Michael Simics From pollinator@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:29 EST 1999 Article: 15761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for Pollinators -- Free listing -- Eastern USA Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Feb 1999 07:45:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990204024551.05211.00000371@ng117.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15761 Eastern US beekeepers who are available to contract pollinate crops may be listed free of charge, in a list to be made available to growers, and others involved in pollination. To be included, please e-mail me with your name, business name, address, phone, e-mail address (or web page, if you wish), number of hives available, crops that you will pollinate, and distance you are willing to go (or states in which you can work). You will be included in the state of your address, unless you give a second address or name other states in which you can work. The list will be made available at www.pollinator.com in a couple days. We hope to expand to new areas eventually, but this is a start..... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://www.pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From adameden@ipa.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:29 EST 1999 Article: 15762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.218.170.35!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "R & S Adams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Subsistute pollen patties Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 05:50:27 -0600 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 6 Message-ID: <79c1kb$1fr$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-4-178.jopl.ipa.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15762 I was wondering what the formula is to make pollen patties. I was told this was important for early brood production. I know the patties have soy flour, powdered skim milk, and something else?? Anyone know about this delicious recipe? Thanks R. Adams From beetools@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:30 EST 1999 Article: 15763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Three Rools of Real Estate Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Feb 1999 17:28:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19AD4794D888B72B.5CC1939A1ED2555F.7D0499686BB6F14F@library-proxy.airnews.net> Message-ID: <19990204122818.27794.00000706@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15763 Bees will do better if the hives get full sunlight. These are tropical animals and can handle heat. Part of the way they cool the hive in the warmest parts of the year is by drying down nectar to honey. The evaporation "runs their ari conditioing system". And, drying nectar is a activity you want to encourage anyway. Putting them in the shade will cause them to invest a lot of resources in heating the hive. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From gerhardt@mail.index.co.za Mon Feb 8 06:08:30 EST 1999 Article: 15764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!news.globix.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!iafrica.com!news.global.co.za.!not-for-mail From: "Gerhardt Fouche" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT : Agricultural products manufacturers directory Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:53:55 +0200 Organization: USKO Enterprise Networks Lines: 7 Message-ID: <79c1p1$u30$1@news.global.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.49.169.205 X-Trace: news.global.co.za 918129249 30816 206.49.169.205 (4 Feb 1999 11:54:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@global.co.za NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Feb 1999 11:54:09 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15764 A user-friendly directory of manufacturers of products and services related to the agricultural industry is available and useful to people within the industry. Link directly to the agricultural sector – www.expo.co.za/agriculture.html From beetools@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:31 EST 1999 Article: 15765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Subsistute pollen patties Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Feb 1999 17:38:53 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <79c1kb$1fr$1@news.ipa.net> Message-ID: <19990204123853.27794.00000711@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15765 There are as many recipes for pollen patties as their are beekeepers. Basically, you are trying to replace the lack of collected protein with a patty. The closer you get to real pollen the better the bee will accept it and benefit from the patties. The most basic formula (and best - but not cost-effective) is bee pollen and enough honey to make a patty. In decending order of protein quality/quanity, you can cut the pollen with brewer's yeast or soy flour. Dry milk solids do not have the right kinds of proteins for bees and contain sugars that can give the girls the runs. You can use reject honey or heated honey and a little water - or sugar syrup to make your patties. Some bee supply dealers sell bee pollen in bulk (1#, 5#, 50# bags at "affordable" prices - not health store prices). If you shop around, you can find pollen for about $5 a pound, $18 for 5#, etc., which when cut 50% with brewer's yeast make patties affordable. Good Luck Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From midnitebee@hotmail.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:32 EST 1999 Article: 15766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: update/page Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:25:13 -0500 Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.127 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.127 Message-ID: <36b9f46f.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 4 Feb 1999 14:26:39 -0500, 209.222.80.127 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!209.222.80.127 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15766 Greetings.. I have added new information:EAS 1999 and George/Tony's latest articles about the hive beetle. http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee "All my life, I always wanted to be somebody. Now I see that I should have been more specific." From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 8 06:08:33 EST 1999 Article: 15767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vac Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:06:26 +0000 Message-ID: References: <19990201062049.15531.00002631@ng30.aol.com> <695BF69D12C9EB5E.3216B54045ED8005.EA30611696A08DCE@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 918159350 nnrp-10:16773 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15767 In article <695BF69D12C9EB5E.3216B54045ED8005.EA30611696A08DCE@library- proxy.airnews.net>, dewitt writes >From The Republic of Texas. YA HOOOO!!! Being from the other side of the pond, and not sure of my Mason/dixon line, is Texas near Washington? and is YA HOOOO a zip code? -- Tom S From hutchiso@ccp.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:33 EST 1999 Article: 15768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!-program!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon02.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Lowell & Diane Hutchison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What is best clover to plant? Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: <36b9efb6.0@super> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:49:51 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.193.195.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon02.swbell.net 918154416 207.193.195.8 (Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:53:36 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:53:36 CDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15768 I am preparing to plant clover for my bee hives to work. I was just wondering if anyone hase any advice on which would be best, Red clover, sweet clover or something else? Would appreciate the help Lowell hutchiso@ccp.com From gl4559@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:34 EST 1999 Article: 15769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gl4559@aol.com (GL4559) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where can I buy Borax?(for Beeswax hand cream) Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Feb 1999 23:48:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36B921EF.9E002A99@webzone.net> Message-ID: <19990204184811.23800.00000006@ng144.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15769 Thanks for all the responses that You've sent Me, but I should have been more specific. What I need is sodium borate, twenty mule team borax is similar but not the same and they have additives in it also. The pharmacies used to carry it but for some strange reason they can't get it(that's why I asked if there was a lawsuit or something). Thanks again G. Libby LibBEE@msn.com From bill.greenrose@valley.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:34 EST 1999 Article: 15770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 22:10:41 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 80 Message-ID: <36B66CB0.164FE511@valley.net> References: <19990201082927.15374.00002635@ng151.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-225.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15770 Pollinator wrote: > We suppose we have a lot to think about with the coming of the year 2000. > How about going back 2 millinia to consider how people thought about the > approach of the year zero? > > I mean, let's face it; it must have been really scary. Will time reverse > and go forward? Will I still be right handed? Do I count from I to X, or from > X to I? Will bees fly backwards and go zzuB, zzuB, zzuB? Will the chariots > still run? What will their odometers read? Will their wheels still be round? > Will the Romans read from right to left and the Hebrews read from left to > right? > > Just consider the technological terrors of the average homeowner. Is my > sundial YZeroK compatible? Will my abacus become user surly? Will my compas > point south? Will my scribes unsubscribe? Is zero the start of the new > millenium, or is it I? What is zero, anyway? Is zero a leap year? Do you > divide it by IV or is IV divided by zero? Do marriage licenses expire? > > Math certainly got a lot more complicated. If I was born in XXIII BC, and > it's now XIV AD, hmmmmm, what age should I put on my job application? Do I add > those two numbers together, or subtract them? How about the year Zero? > > If I found a library book when I packed to move, dated II-VI-IV, but I > don't know whether it was BC or AD, how would the librarian compute my fine? > > Should we evacuate to a cave in the wilderness and plant big gardens and > store lots of food, and collect a pile of spears and swords to defend it? > > And where in the world did that bright star come from? > > Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > The Pollination Home Page: http://www.pollinator.com > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm greetings, it seems that everyone in the world is misinformed as to the real meaning of the Y2K problem. i will spell it out: take a look at the zipper on your pants [or skirt, as the case may me]. odds are it has the letters YKK on it. that's because the YKK company manufactures the vast majority of zippers used on clothes. now, does the true meaning of the problem become clear? the problem is the Y TWO K problem. the real concern is not about computer programs [which crash all the time, anyway, regardless of the date. just ask an air traffic controller]. it is about what is going to happen to our zippers on jan 1, 2000. will they start closing down and opening up? will the teeth and gaps reverse? will the toggles switch from the right side to the left, and will we all have to become left-handed to operate them? will they stop working all together? [which could pose some real problems for people in bars celebrating new years eve by consuming large quantities of beer.] i won't even go into zipper lock plastic food bags and the potential for worldwide famine from millennial leakage and resulting food spoilage. see, the amish had it right all along. forget new fangled contraptions like zippers, which are doomed to failure. if man were meant to use zippers, then he wouldn't have been created with something in the same location that can get caught in the darn things with excruciating results. long live my 501s! i hope i have clarified the meaning and true magnitude of the problem for all. bill p.s. i considered posting this explanation, which i have not seen anywhere else, on my website, but decided that the flood of ensuing idiot email would not be worth the bother. ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:35 EST 1999 Article: 15771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is best clover to plant? Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Feb 1999 03:33:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36b9efb6.0@super> Message-ID: <19990204223314.07591.00000895@ng29.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15771 >Subject: What is best clover to plant? Ladino...preferably White Dutch Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From rebecca.l.mitchell@worldnet.att.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:36 EST 1999 Article: 15772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "Rebecca Mitchell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new south african beetle Date: 5 Feb 1999 03:32:36 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <79dook$f15@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.118.120 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15772 This is first message composed and I am looking for info on any ways to combat beetle. I am in SE North Carolina and they have been found in 4 counties virtually surrounding me. None yet in my 55 hives. Please help From lithar@midwest.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:36 EST 1999 Article: 15773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is best clover to plant? Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:55:38 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 11 Message-ID: <36BA79CA.4E29@midwest.net> References: <36b9efb6.0@super> <19990204223314.07591.00000895@ng29.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 918190744 .ZFUVYH4M1C2DD0EBC usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15773 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >Subject: What is best clover to plant? > > Ladino...preferably White Dutch > Agreed, alsike and sweet clover are good choices too. AL From chucklaser@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:37 EST 1999 Article: 15774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where can I buy Borax?(for Beeswax hand cream) Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Feb 1999 02:46:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990204184811.23800.00000006@ng144.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990204214612.18953.00000919@ng-fa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15774 >Thanks for all the responses that You've sent Me, but I should have been more >specific. What I need is sodium borate, twenty mule team borax is similar but >not the same I'm not positive, but I think this is a pottery glaze chemical sold by ceramic supply dealers. Many forms of boric acid, borax, etc are used to mix in glazes. Check around in that area. I will check next time I get off line in my cataloges. Chuck From mtin970898@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:37 EST 1999 Article: 15775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mtin970898@aol.com (MTin970898) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted: Hive plans Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Feb 1999 07:53:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36AA661E.AA32FA1D@montana.com> Message-ID: <19990205025329.10371.00000784@ng103.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15775 Hi, in response to your question of hive plans. The latest issue of Mother Earth News (Feb / March 1999) has a section called Mother's Woodshop that has a full set of plans to build a hive & suppers. Also try your county extension agent. They should have a set of plans in the "Plan Book". Good Luck ! Tom From adamf@vt.edu Mon Feb 8 06:08:38 EST 1999 Article: 15776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed2.news.digex.net!digex!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Diatomaceous earth Date: 26 Jan 1999 22:00:01 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <78ldt1$p49$1@golux.radix.net> References: <36A896CB.9CA4A73D@nospam.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port29.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15776 In article <36A896CB.9CA4A73D@nospam.com>, Stephen & Tammy Alger <123@nospam.com> wrote: >We are considering getting bees and have been reading this newsgroup for >awhile to learn. I was wondering if anyone has ever tried using >diatomaceous earth to control mites and if it worked? > >Tammy Alger Hi. I've thought of that and with the material I work with to control insect pests on fruit (mites are a large culprit). You'd have to determine the best way to apply the dust and if it harmed any open brood. You'd also have foraging down time while everyone groomed everyone else. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:38 EST 1999 Article: 15777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news3.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <36A896CB.9CA4A73D@nospam.com> <78ldt1$p49$1@golux.radix.net> Subject: Re: Diatomaceous earth Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <38xr2.349$qV6.1505@news3.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.108 X-Trace: news3.ispnews.com 917413503 209.69.69.108 (Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:05:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:05:03 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:07:21 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15777 I know this is a mineral product, not dirt per-se, but I still wouln't want it mixed into my honey or beeswax. Diatomaceous earth will kill all sorts of insects- it cuts into their joints and they dessicate- not something I would want to happen to my bees. Adam Finkelstein wrote in message <78ldt1$p49$1@golux.radix.net>... >In article <36A896CB.9CA4A73D@nospam.com>, >Stephen & Tammy Alger <123@nospam.com> wrote: >>We are considering getting bees and have been reading this newsgroup for >>awhile to learn. I was wondering if anyone has ever tried using >>diatomaceous earth to control mites and if it worked? From bill.greenrose@valley.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:39 EST 1999 Article: 15778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reply to question Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:36:10 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 25 Message-ID: <36AE97BA.A864C9C1@valley.net> References: <19990122065319.05420.00000813@ng-fu1.aol.com> <19990122092441.03802.00001021@ng96.aol.com> <78l8ua$ba5$1@spock.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-102.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15778 Mark Lomas wrote: > > (I hope it's not true about you Americans not having a sense of irony). > not sure about a sense of irony. i used to wonder if my general ignorance and apathy were problems and then i thought "Who knows? Who cares?" bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From adamf@vt.edu Mon Feb 8 06:08:40 EST 1999 Article: 15779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.186.110.126!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa and evolution Date: 5 Feb 1999 07:02:00 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <79e518$rcb$1@golux.radix.net> References: <36B77E92.2A821811@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> <798ole$k8b$1@golux.radix.net> <36B84C2E.76FB8A15@iet.hist.no> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port16.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15779 In article <36B84C2E.76FB8A15@iet.hist.no>, Anthony N Morgan wrote: > >OK offer us some possible definitions. >Would the term "race" or "ecotype" be applicable? >Again how would you define these terms? Hi. Since most of this subject has been articulated extremely well already I'll refer you to: Dupre, John. 1992. Species: Theoretical Contexts. In _Keywords in Evolutionary Biology_. Ed., Keller, E.F. and Lloyd, E.A.. Harvard University Press, London, England. A "who's who" in evolutionary biological essays. Basically three species concepts. Biological, Evolutionary, and Pluralistic. Biological deals with reproductive isolation and habitat--the "Mayr" definition from his _Systematics and The Origin of Species_ (write me for the citation; evolutionary deals with cladistics and numerical taxonomy and the many interpretations and variations; lastly, the pluralistic species concept, marries the two previous. Race and ecotype are fairly archaic terms. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@vt.edu Mon Feb 8 06:08:40 EST 1999 Article: 15780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!seas.smu.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!newshost.cyberramp.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!nntp.abs.net!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa and evolution Date: 5 Feb 1999 07:32:38 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 52 Message-ID: <79e6qm$rfm$1@golux.radix.net> References: <36B77E92.2A821811@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> <798ole$k8b$1@golux.radix.net> <36B878A8.90F6E9A8@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port16.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15780 In article <36B878A8.90F6E9A8@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca>, Ulli Hoger wrote: >Under the point of view in my first posting it doesn't realy matter how >you define species. >Let's talk about clearly different populations. If they are already >subspecies or even species shouldn't be the point here. I don't quite follow you here (above text). You state that the definition of species doesn't really matter when describing the varroa data/descriptions the beekeepers are describing, yet you then describe them using a term (subspecies) that is denotativley derived from the one specific definition of species. This is confusing to me. Please explain. ( I replied to your post --my text) >> Again, you need to define what you mean by "species" and "subspecies". >> Sounds like the management selection is driving the population toward a >> change. Remember, selection on populations for phenotypic differences can >> be rapid, but (and you again need to define it) speciation is an event that >> is incredibly difficult to demark and describe in "evolutionary" time. (and you answered) >How long is evolutionary time? I think the at least 20 years with at >least 6-7 generations per year, combined with the unique reproduction >biology of Varroa is probably sufficient time for distinguishable >populations. You think? Demarking evolutionary time is extremely difficult. Perhaps the change you notice in the populations is only one of several thousand fluctuations these populations exhibit? If you ground up these mites and compared them to other mites, (mol. comparison) would you notice any differences? If you took these mites, and were somehow able to introduce them into a different geographical area, and record their life-history, comparing it to the Varroa that was there first, would you notice differences? Sure. So which population is the "sub" of the other? Population perception is extremely hard to conceptualize. To use species terminology ("sub-species" or "race") in describing variations in a population, limits the describer to a narrow frame of reference. If one is comfortable to say that there has been selected a new race, or breed, or ecotype or sub-species of Varroa mite via honey bee management, in a given geographical area, good: do it. However, when you then try to theoretically test if this set of individuals is indeed a subset of a larger set, the terminology impedes the testing. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Feb 8 06:08:41 EST 1999 Article: 15781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is best clover to plant? Date: Fri, 05 Feb 99 08:05:00 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <182DC71AFS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <36b9efb6.0@super> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.BSDI.COM!uunet!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.globix.net!news.idt.net!nntp.giganews.com!solomon.io.com!news-feeds.jump.net!den-news-01.qwest.net!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15781 In article <36b9efb6.0@super> "Lowell & Diane Hutchison" writes: > (Best type of clover to plant?) If you're going to the trouble I'd suggest a mixture. In these parts (upstate NY) yellow blooms a few weeks earlier than white. Add in dutch and you give the bees a nice smorgasbord. However you really should check your soil first to see if it's worth you trouble. I think clover only produces well on an alkali soil (although I may have this backwards). Dave Green could set this straight. Finally, unless you're planting a large quantity of clover you probably won't be giving your bees sufficient forage to much impact your harvest. You may be better off just leavin' things to mother nature. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:41 EST 1999 Article: 15782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new south african beetle Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Feb 1999 14:06:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <79dook$f15@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <19990205090614.02379.00001059@ng100.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15782 >I am in SE North Carolina and they have been found in 4 http://www.mannlakeltd.com/cuma.html NC still has not recieved sectionm 18 yet but hope to w/in 2 wks. the above is a good place to start Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From wcavender@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:42 EST 1999 Article: 15783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.BSDI.COM!uunet!lax.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wcavender@aol.com (WCavender) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New mite treatments Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Feb 1999 14:35:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990205093510.27724.00001165@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15783 See http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-02/04/102l-020499-idx.html for a new treatment From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:43 EST 1999 Article: 15784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990204184811.23800.00000006@ng144.aol.com> <19990204214612.18953.00000919@ng-fa1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Where can I buy Borax?(for Beeswax hand cream) Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <0wFu2.25$vK5.209@news13.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.142 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 918234236 209.69.69.142 (Fri, 05 Feb 1999 12:03:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 12:03:56 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:04:57 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15784 Try a Taxedermy supply catalog- I think it is also used as part of preserving hides. Ellen From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Feb 8 06:08:43 EST 1999 Article: 15785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New mite treatments Date: Fri, 05 Feb 99 10:01:26 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <182DC8CF9S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19990205093510.27724.00001165@ng-ft1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feeds.jump.net!den-news-01.qwest.net!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15785 In article <19990205093510.27724.00001165@ng-ft1.aol.com> wcavender@aol.com (WCavender) writes: > >See > >http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-02/04/102l-020499-idx.html >for a new treatment There's nothing new here. Gel formic from Betterbee in Greenwich, N.Y. Possibly available this year. Shim's been promising it's release for years. Believe it when you see it. Yesterday's news. Russian bees, possibly mite resistent, possibly available next year. Again, yesterday's news. Aaron Morris - thinking it's gotta be new to be news! From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 8 06:08:44 EST 1999 Article: 15786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Treatment with Oxalic Acid Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 21:47:19 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 50 Message-ID: <79fov0$8ai$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-23.titanium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 918251296 8530 62.136.10.151 (5 Feb 1999 21:48:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Feb 1999 21:48:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15786 Does anyone have experience of treatment with oxalic acid? I understand that beekeepers in Germany are having great success and have started tests myself. The usual method given is to spray combs with a 3% solution - but this is not very user friendly for beekeepers given the toxicity of oxalic acid (you need full respirator protection - NOT just a dust mask). A new method that I heard of last year (personal communication) is to use a solution made to the following formula: oxalic acid dihydrate 60 grams sugar 300 grams water 1 litre The dosage is 50 ml dribbled over the seams of bees (a kitchen baster is useful for this - I bought a cheap plastic one for £1-50 - but do not use it in the kitchen afterwards!). Treatment should be done in the autumn, preferably when there is little brood, and can be repeated after a couple of weeks. The theory is that the bees ingest the syrup and this kills the mites; the oxalic acid is then voided outside the hive leaving no contamination of honey or wax. Clearly, you would not want to treat in the spring as there would be a possibility of the syrup being stored. Using fondant as a winter feed, my wife and I were able to feed colonies and treat them with the oxalic acid syrup at the same time - we managed 90 colonies on about a dozen sites in around 8 hours. Results so far look good - for example, an initial mite fall of about 500 in the first 24 hours dropped to around 1 per week after 3 weeks. Cost is extremely low - just a few pence per colony (I bought 500g of oxalic acid for £4.95). It is important to appreciate the toxicity of oxalic acid especially in its crystalline form - rubber gloves are essential and it is critically important that you do not breathe in any particles of dust as irreversible kidney damage can occur. Does anyone have any further information or comments? Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk From lithar@midwest.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:45 EST 1999 Article: 15787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.corridex.com!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 17:25:10 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 30 Message-ID: <36BB7DD6.5EBF@midwest.net> References: <19990201082927.15374.00002635@ng151.aol.com> <36B5F5B7.EB4@povn.com> <79fhqq$bco$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.12.84 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 918257320 .ZFUVYH4MC 54D0EBC usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15787 > (Perhaps this "expert" knows full well the implications of y2k > and is making preparations of his own - as are hundreds of programmers and > others in the know - maybe he just didn't want to alert the public on > nationwide TV until his own contingency plans were in order.) > > En agape, > > Zach Anderson [ zma@rocketmail.com ] Well there ya go Zach. I suppose next you'll be spillin' the java beans on the secret mountain location where all of us programmers have agreed to meet and hole up until after 1/1/00 snuffs out civilization as we know it. Yeah, and if you keep on, you'll give away the supersecret plan we programmers have to come out of hiding to claim our rightful place as masters of humanity's remains. Oh, don't worry - I'm not giving away the exact date but if anyone happens to remember Seymore Cray's birth date... Bertrand Russell once commented on observing elephants stampede upon seeing an airplane for the first time. Owing to the fact there were no journalist present, the stampede subsided when the plane was gone. AL From ad387@hwcn.org Mon Feb 8 06:08:45 EST 1999 Article: 15788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!utnut!hone!informer1.cis.McMaster.CA!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees on Country Canada CBC TV Wednesday February 17,1999 7:30 pm Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:31:04 -0500 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <79csi5$l7j$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.203 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15788 Hi, For those who have access to Canada's national broadcaster the following may be of interest: Country Canada Wednesday Feb. 17 7:30 PM Country Canada "Canadian beekeepers and scientissts(sic) are frantically searching for an antidote to a virus that threatens to wipe out the domesticated bee population, ruin crops that require bees for fertilization and damage the food chain. " From hensler@povn.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:46 EST 1999 Article: 15789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is best clover to plant? Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 15:50:09 -0800 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 24 Message-ID: <36BB83B0.2868@povn.com> References: <36b9efb6.0@super> <79fmit$8vf$1@news.ipa.net> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp172.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15789 R & S Adams wrote: > > If your going to plant clover, where clover has never been grown before, > you have to put down lime first. Yo R & S: The above advice could be a colossal waste of both time and money if you don't do a soil test first. I'm sure what you meant to say was that the PH of your soil *may* need to be adjusted for clover to produce an optimum crop. To merely dump lime on your soil with the expection of creating the best seed bed possible for clover could very well do more harm than good. First rule of growing *any* plant; know it's soil requirements and then get a soil test. Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From adameden@ipa.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:47 EST 1999 Article: 15790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.218.170.35!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "R & S Adams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is best clover to plant? Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:07:17 -0600 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 19 Message-ID: <79fmit$8vf$1@news.ipa.net> References: <36b9efb6.0@super> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-4-127.jopl.ipa.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15790 If your going to plant clover, where clover has never been grown before, you have to put down lime first. Lowell & Diane Hutchison wrote in message <36b9efb6.0@super>... >I am preparing to plant clover for my bee hives to work. I was just >wondering if anyone hase any advice on which would be best, Red clover, >sweet clover or something else? > >Would appreciate the help > >Lowell >hutchiso@ccp.com > > From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:47 EST 1999 Article: 15791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Feb 1999 03:24:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36BB7DD6.5EBF@midwest.net> Message-ID: <19990205222448.17897.00000245@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15791 >the java beans >on the secret mountain location where all of us programmers have agreed >to meet and hole up u I ain't so sure that i'm gonna be too worried but i aint gonna stand @ wit my butt up my rear either while a bunch a starving idiots try an raid my garden.. Jus use some common sense, most folks is usually better safe that sorry. Then theres some that go way over board. anyways last time i looked, forest varmits thats good ta eat don't use computers. Please note the above statement is not a invite for hordes of starving yankees to descend on my doorstoop if'n the worst does happen...course i reckon the dogs and cats is gonna need food too. so on second thought ya'll come ya hear ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. " IF YOU'RE GONNA CATCH BEES, YOU NEED A BIG JOHNSON !!! " From lithar@midwest.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:48 EST 1999 Article: 15792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!torn!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is best clover to plant? Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 21:35:05 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 25 Message-ID: <36BBB869.3EF5@midwest.net> References: <36b9efb6.0@super> <79fmit$8vf$1@news.ipa.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.33 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 918272318 .ZFUVYH4M1C21D0EBC usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15792 rick wrote: > > A question. Is there a clover variety that thrives in acid clay soil? Alsike clover is believed native to northern Europe. It was introduced into the United States about 1839 and is now mainly grown in states bordering on the Great Lakes, in northerrn California and in Oregon. Its special merit is its adaptation to wet soils, even tolerating some flooding. It is more tolerant to both acid and alkaline soils than other clovers. The stems are quite slender, up to 3 feet long, and tend to be prostrate except in dense stands. The trifoliate leaves are long stemmed with obovate leaflets. Flower heads are not at the terminal of the main stem but are at the terminals of branch stems. They are white or pink in color. Both stems and leaves are smooth. Alsike clover is valuable both for pasture and hay on soils too wet or too acid for other clovers. Hope this helps... AL From wade@fisherhoney.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:49 EST 1999 Article: 15793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.new-york.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed3.news.digex.net!digex!news.innet.com!not-for-mail From: "Fl New Groups" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Reward - $5000. Theft of bees ! Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 22:23:24 -0200 Organization: Internet Network Corp Lines: 30 Message-ID: <79g8tl$c6m$1@news.innet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zhill-135.innet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15793 From: Fisher Bee Farm 800-736-6205 RE: Stolen Bees in FL - Reward $5000 300 Colonies of bees on 6-way pallets were stolen sometime around the 14th of January between Lakeland Fl and Dade city Fl. A Reward of $5000. is offered to information leading to the recovery of these colonies. All colonies were 9 5/8 depth mostly branded "DYSON" and "BROOKS" Painted variety of colors and some not painted at all. All covers are flat plywood with a feed hole in the middle. Any information or leads would be greatly appreciated. wade@fisherhoney.com From Malley@netdoor.com Mon Feb 8 06:08:49 EST 1999 Article: 15794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.137.128.19!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail From: "Robert Malley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <917962157.27587.0.nnrp-02.9e983336@news.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Verroa Lines: 52 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:31:13 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.137.149.107 X-Trace: axe.netdoor.com 918167722 208.137.149.107 (Thu, 04 Feb 1999 16:35:22 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 16:35:22 CDT Organization: Internet Doorway, Inc. -- http://www.netdoor.com/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15794 Very interesting and I do think you for the information. But do you have any Idea were I may get my hand on the green almond husks or Walnut husk. Here in Mississippi. I would love to try it. So would a friend of mine. Thanks Robert Schwaller wrote in message <917962157.27587.0.nnrp-02.9e983336@news.demon.co.uk>... >North Star >Bond End >Knaresboeough >HG5 9AP >Tel 01423 865387 >February 1, 1999 >Verroa can be overcome > >Verroa can be overcome, using a tincture made with green almond husks (not >shells) and alcohol. >So take a large screwtop jar and fill it with shredded almond husks to about >half an inch from the top, then fill it with alcohol ( I use Vodka) to just >cover the husks and then screw the top on. >Leave for approximately one month by which time the tincture is ready to >use. Strain the tincture into a clean bottle. >Fix a piece of linen to the full length of the dummy board and paint the >tincture onto it till the cloth is well saturated then place the dummy board >behind the frames with the cloth facing the brood combs. >After a month the dummy board is taken out of the brood box , retreated and >then replaced back in the brood box. >Having used this method for two years my hives appear to be virtually free >of veroa. >I leave treated dummy board in the hives throughout the year because the >tincture is non toxic it therefore cannot affect the honey or the bees. >P.S. The alcohol is required to extract the active principle from the husks. >Vodka is used because it is odorless and economical. >When I inspect the bees I always remove some of the capped drone brood, to >test for veroa . I am pleased to report that the drone brood is without >blemish. >Take note >The jar must be full of the shredded husks before you add the alcohol. Too >much alcohol will make the tincture useless >Shredded walnut husks can be used instead the result will be the same >The article is submitted as an item of interest >E. W. Schwaller > > > From cde049@airmail.net Mon Feb 8 06:08:50 EST 1999 Article: 15795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Y2K: Deja Vu, All Over Again Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 06:32:07 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 45 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <79hcrh$7ud@library3.airnews.net> References: <36BB7DD6.5EBF@midwest.net> <19990205222448.17897.00000245@ng-fx1.aol.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library3 NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Feb 6 06:33:54 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: c\O_:+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15795 > >I ain't so sure that i'm gonna be too worried but i aint gonna stand @ wit my >butt up my rear either while a bunch a starving idiots try an raid my garden.. Effen mos folk lik da wons I work wid. daa woodnt kno ta "raid ya garden" . Da neber seed food in da wild. Ef it don kom from da food star, it hant vitles. Daid go rit on by da karoots, turnups, hounions and 'taters 'cas da neber seed dem. Den day wudnt et the kabbag or brokly 'cas et don't look rite. >anyways last time i looked, forest varmits thats good ta eat don't use >computers. Da woodn nod da fist tin abt skinnin an cuttn no "farest varmits" and they think I'm strange. To paraphrase Aunty Mame '...Life is a food store and most poor S.O.B. are starving to death." Then they make fun of the ones who do know how to take care of themselves. "Why do you do that ? It's too much work". "You keep What? Don't you get stung? " " I had wild live in my back yard once but I had the dog catcher come and get it. " "How could you kill and eat