Article 30838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HELP - cannot get messages Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:44:27 +0000 Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-20.orange-tail-butterfly.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1009924853 13401 62.137.43.148 (1 Jan 2002 22:40:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jan 2002 22:40:53 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30838 If this appears on the group perhaps somebody could let me know? I am unable to download any new messages from sci-agriculture.beekeeping Last messages I downloaded were dated 25h November? Thanks Article 30839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need suggession Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:33:32 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3c3238a9.642680730@news1.radix.net> References: <5542a326.0112290228.15142ec@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30839 On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 21:00:34 -0800, "Bill Wallace" wrote: >Ok lets see >1. hive location dry or wet" wet bad" >2. top entrance to help vent moisture >3. food good honey,dry sugar Poor oor bad food will cause diarhhia have >you been feeding sugar syurp too much water will cause problems >4. Nosema. treat with Fumidil-B "but lab test are negative" If the samples were sent to the USDA bee lab then only foulbrood was looked for. When their report says "no disease found" it really means "no foulbrood found." beekeep Article 30840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Sniper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Farm Alerts! 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Article 30841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Wallace" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need suggession Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 21:00:34 -0800 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services, LLC Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <5542a326.0112290228.15142ec@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.202.214 X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 1009853853 329426 207.144.202.214 (1 Jan 2002 02:57:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:57:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!easynews!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30841 Ok lets see 1. hive location dry or wet" wet bad" 2. top entrance to help vent moisture 3. food good honey,dry sugar Poor oor bad food will cause diarhhia have you been feeding sugar syurp too much water will cause problems 4. Nosema. treat with Fumidil-B "but lab test are negative" 5. remove dead bees from bottom boards change out bottom boards or flip them so they can dry 6. have they been able fly cleansing flights are need let me know whats going on I help if I can farid wrote in message news:5542a326.0112290228.15142ec@posting.google.com... > I have 100 hives and my honeybees in this season(atumn) have diarhhia > i tested them by some laboratory tests but all of them are negative i > dont know what is my huves disease plz help me, color of diarrhia > liquids are yellow and many of honeybees die daily. thanks a lot. Article 30842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ac717@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Ivan Hrg (Jr.)) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Planting buckwheat for bees - advice please Date: 31 Dec 2001 06:27:00 GMT Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Lines: 12 Message-ID: Reply-To: ac717@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Ivan Hrg (Jr.)) NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet10 X-Trace: freenet9.carleton.ca 1009780020 29151 134.117.136.30 (31 Dec 2001 06:27:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: complaints@ncf.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Dec 2001 06:27:00 GMT X-Given-Sender: ac717@freenet10.carleton.ca (Ivan Hrg (Jr.)) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!cunews!freenet-news!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ac717 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30842 Hello, This spring i'd like to plant buckwheat for my bees, but i'm not sure what kind of ratio of hive to acre to go with. I would try to miss the major flows - maybe shoot for end of August for blooming. Anyone out there have some advice or experience with this? thanks, Ivan Hrg Lanark, Ont. Article 30843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Planting buckwheat for bees - advice please Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:32:36 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-RNETPLMv/lDECu4dX09A9nEw2N1n5xFsHwWhecZsywtEG8hCIYby7ENP22X1kEozrcyXJ6ZnKIBwsys!Y+kmEDfEjULJ8svELyeHi7TggxVJrNUovHRmpZOV7T+SWnpugzw+8UKWTFgxchO5E9hK34NbFmyF!Q80ZZZoVeuLfazVXYw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 19:32:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30843 "Ivan Hrg (Jr.)" wrote > This spring i'd like to plant buckwheat for my bees, but i'm not > sure what kind of ratio of hive to acre to go with. I would try to > miss the major flows - maybe shoot for end of August for blooming. > Anyone out there have some advice or experience with this? Yo Ivan: I can't help you with the amount of area to plant, I plant as much as I have land available and let it go at that. I only have a few hives and I usually don't get enough of a flow from the buckwheat for a very strong buckwheat honey, but it does add a very nice flavoring to the rest of the flow. A lot also depends of how dry it is during the bloom, I try to time my buckwheat planting to have bloom during a dearth in our normal flow. Problem is that there is a reason for the dearth in the regular flow, usually lack of moisture, which can also reduce the buckwheat flow. I'm not sure what your growing season is there but here I try to plant my buckwheat during the third week of June, since it takes about five weeks from planting to bloom in our area. Since I am not concerned about setting the seed that gets me blooms starting around the first week of August and lasting throughout the month, before our first killing frost hits during the first part of Sept. The months of July and Aug. is our normal drought period so I usually have to put at least some water to the grain to keep it going. We tread a fine line here, too little moisture and there won't be much of a flow, too much moisture and the stalks will collapse, although that won't necessarily affect the nectar flow. There is a good URL on buckwheat at http://www.agric.gov.ab.ca/agdex/100/118_20-2.html Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 30844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Compaq" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Observation Hive. Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:25:07 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <344b9345.0112190429.3a74d526@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mix-lemans-213-4-240.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 1010003054 10741 80.9.87.240 (2 Jan 2002 20:24:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 2002 20:24:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!opentransit.net!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30844 Andrey, This happen once with observation hive having been robbed. I discovered my hive empty from honey, and by the time I try to fill a jar of honey to feed them I saw all the bees leaving the hive as a swarm. It was in the mid afternoon in early october at a period where there is normally no swarm. I believe this is the same case the queen being not fed anymore left the hive looking for a better place. In this case no matter the starving brood the colony try to save their life. Georges "Andrey" a Иcrit dans le message news: 344b9345.0112190429.3a74d526@posting.google.com... > I got this article in the Tara Beekeepers Association newslatter. May > be anyone here has an idea? > > More newsletter you can find here: > http://www.gabeekeeping.com/tara/default.asp > > I've been checking on the condition of my observation hive frequently. > To any beekeeper that has ever owned an observation hive they will > know the many hours of enjoyment they bring. Kids love to stare at the > inner workings of the hive. Find the queen and wonder about what they > are doing. > Yesterday (Sept 20) the hive had a good strong population; there was > some covered brood but a very little supply of Honey (a small amount > of nectar laid in the bottom of the cells). > When I came home from work today I didn't disturbed them by removing > the covers, I went straight to filling the feed bottle with some left > over Honey from the uncapping operations that took place last month. > Pouring a small amount of cool Honey is like watching the grass grow > but finally the bottle filled. I placed the cap will holes on the > bottle, quickly removed the cover over the feeder hole and inserted > the neck of the bottle into the hole. I breathed a sigh of relief that > the job was over and there wasn't any accidents. > I wondered if the bees were enjoying their meal so I removed the cover > and was surprised to find out why they had been so quiet. There wasn't > a single bee in the hive! Not even a dead bee, completely empty! The > capped broad was still there but that was it. > Why they absounded is a mystery. Was the population too large for the > small confines of the observation hive? Was there too little food to > stay? Why would they leave near the end of September? Only the bees > know the answer. > > Andrey. Article 30845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HELP - Newsgroup Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:43:58 +0000 Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-12.orange-shoulder-tang.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1010014828 21571 62.137.42.140 (2 Jan 2002 23:40:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 2002 23:40:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30845 Many thanks to all that replied to my earlier message asking for confirmation of posting. That obviously worked. I have recently changed back to using Freeserve as the news server, and use Forte Agent to download the groups. It downloads two other groups no problem, but nothing on sci.agriculture.beekeeping As several have said it must be a problem with the ISP. I will chase them through. However, if I may share a little beekeeping upset. During the summer I installed a hive in the grounds of a local insurance company. They have a wildlife garden that is an ideal place for bees. The coloney built up to a good strength before going into winter and all looked well for next year. I have just been called up to look at them and found the hive attacked by vandals. They kicked it so hard they broke the side of the brood box. Very depressing. Too cold to open and try and repair, can only cover the best I can and try to sort out in warmer weather. Article 30846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Planting buckwheat for bees - advice please Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:33:37 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3c33a652.28529120@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p40.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30846 On 31 Dec 2001 06:27:00 GMT, ac717@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Ivan Hrg (Jr.)) wrote: > >Hello, > > This spring i'd like to plant buckwheat for my bees, but i'm not >sure what kind of ratio of hive to acre to go with. I would try to >miss the major flows - maybe shoot for end of August for blooming. >Anyone out there have some advice or experience with this? > >thanks, > >Ivan Hrg >Lanark, Ont. Buckwheat makes them mean! The flowers turn off early and the bees return home madder than hell. Beekeep Article 30847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <2002010222121175982@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:12:11 GMT Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Phil Gurr X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.30 10003987 Subject: Re: Fondant References: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> Lines: 20 X-Trace: news.zetnet.co.uk 1010019049 21144 194.247.47.23 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!master.news.zetnet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30847 The message <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> from Billy Smart contains these words: > Group, > Most references I see when looking through the archives with regard to > the use of fondant for winter feeding involves beekeepers from the UK. > Where can a beekeeper in the US get baker's fondant? Are there any US > beekeepers on the list that use fondant to feed bees in winter? As a UK beekeeper, I always make my fondant and have never seen it for sale here. Mail me if you want the recipe. Phil. Highlands of Scotland. Article 30848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need suggession Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 14:18:20 -0600 Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <5542a326.0112290228.15142ec@posting.google.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.75 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1009916297 22192026 216.167.138.75 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.75!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30848 >color of diarrhia >liquids are yellow and many of honeybees die daily. I've seen this when bees take in pollen that's been sprayed with some insecticide, usually in late summer. When the bees start using this pollen in the winter they show the signs you've mentioned. (read about Pencap N) On warmish days, bees can be seen on their backs on the ground in front of the hive, wiggling their legs. They cannot fly and eventually die. Sometimes you can save them by just feeding a solution of sugar syrup say: 3 pounds granulated white sugar + water to make a gallon of syrup, (USA) add 5ml. (teaspoon) of 2% thymol (crystals) solution. (in ethanol) This solution retards fermentation and makes it hard on any mites present, external or internal) The idea behind this method is so the bees can get to the syrup quickly and give themselves a cleansing 'feed' seems to be the thing. After that they don't use the poison pollen or bee bread, as it were, again. What you've described has happened to me twice in the past 10 years, but the bees have been saved both times. I don't have nosema by the way. C.K. "ubi mel ibi apes" Article 30849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP - Newsgroup Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:33:19 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.d9.31 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 3 Jan 2002 05:35:51 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30849 It would be nice to find out the vandals got their pants stung off for their efforts. I once had someone attempt to steal hives, and from the way they dropped them down the road they must have gotten a good stinging. Wish I had it on video. Article 30850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: allend@internode.net (allen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fondant Date: 3 Jan 2002 06:03:47 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1010066628 19187 127.0.0.1 (3 Jan 2002 14:03:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jan 2002 14:03:48 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30850 > Most references I see when looking through the archives with regard to > the use of fondant for winter feeding involves beekeepers from the UK. > Where can a beekeeper in the US get baker's fondant? Are there any US > beekeepers on the list that use fondant to feed bees in winter? 97 posts with the word 'fondant': http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S2=bee-l&q=fondant&s=&f=&a=&b= allen http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ Article 30851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: billshsfrm@aol.com (BillsHsFrm) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 Jan 2002 14:10:55 GMT References: <2002010222121175982@zetnet.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Fondant Message-ID: <20020103091055.00794.00002561@mb-cv.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30851 The Nov. issue of Bee Culture mag. has a recipe for making fondant candy. I just made about 10 lbs for my hive this spring. It will feed them without stimulating brood rearing. Thats the Nov 01 issue and its for feeding late winter Bill J Article 30852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Fondant X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3C3482F5.3B141E78@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:12:37 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 25 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newsrouter.icnc.com!uunet!sac.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30852 I apologize - I need to be more specific. Baker's fondant. I would like some ideas of places I can go to buy baker's fondant already made. Lots of posts in the archives about using fondant and recipies running out my ears about making fondant - but nothing about where you can BUY ready made baker's fondant in the states. Is there anyone in the US that buys baker's fondant? Please help this lazy beekeeper. Thanks to all who have replied. Billy Smart Rock, KS allen wrote: > > > Most references I see when looking through the archives with regard to > > the use of fondant for winter feeding involves beekeepers from the UK. > > Where can a beekeeper in the US get baker's fondant? Are there any US > > beekeepers on the list that use fondant to feed bees in winter? > > 97 posts with the word 'fondant': > > http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S2=bee-l&q=fondant&s=&f=&a=&b= > > allen > http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ Article 30853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fondant Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:06:35 -0000 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> <2002010222121175982@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-30.colorado.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1010092108 1654 62.137.57.30 (3 Jan 2002 21:08:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jan 2002 21:08:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30853 > As a UK beekeeper, I always make my fondant and have never seen it > for sale here. > Mail me if you want the recipe. > > Phil. > Highlands of Scotland. >----------------------------- Phil Did you mean fondant, or are you referring to candy - there is a considerable difference. Fondant can be obtained in the UK from a number of companies, but the cheapest that I have found is BFP (British Fermentation Products); they also provide an excellent weekly delivery service to bakers and caterers. I get free delivery if I order 1/2 tonne. For the US, I would suggest trying local bakers as they will use fondant on cakes. Peter Edwards Stratford-upon-Avon Article 30854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <2002010323573575982@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:57:35 GMT Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Phil Gurr X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.30 10003987 Subject: Re: Fondant References: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> <2002010222121175982@zetnet.co.uk> Lines: 23 X-Trace: news.zetnet.co.uk 1010102126 21145 194.247.47.23 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed3!btnet!peer.news.zetnet.net!master.news.zetnet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30854 The message from "Peter Edwards" contains these words: > Phil > Did you mean fondant, or are you referring to candy - there is a > considerable difference. I did mean true fondant. The recipe that I use is from `Some Important Operations in Bee Management' by T.S.K., and M.P.Johansson, published by the International Bee Research Association 1978, page 85. Phil. Article 30855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fondant Date: 4 Jan 2002 02:36:38 GMT Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-12.internode.net (198.161.229.188) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1010111798 25368655 198.161.229.188 (16 [58605]) User-Agent: Xnews/4.11.09 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-12.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30855 Billy Smart posted in news:3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com: > Where can a beekeeper in the US get baker's fondant? Are there any US > beekeepers on the list that use fondant to feed bees in winter? Will Canadian do? Try: CSP Foods 306-934-3212 Box 190, 75-33rd St East, Saskatoon,SK, CANADA, S7K 3K7 Product Number 09030802 CSP Brilliance White Fondant This product has been verified as safe for bees by Rob Currie. Moreover, we have used it successfully. allen Article 30856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Fondant X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:54:20 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 11 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!feed1.newsreader.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30856 Group, Most references I see when looking through the archives with regard to the use of fondant for winter feeding involves beekeepers from the UK. Where can a beekeeper in the US get baker's fondant? Are there any US beekeepers on the list that use fondant to feed bees in winter? Thanks, Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 30857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Clark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Join a discussion on the Legal and Enviromental Issues of the insect trade: Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <6saZ7.2164$zw3.349677@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 04:45:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.56.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1010119554 209.179.56.104 (Thu, 03 Jan 2002 20:45:54 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 20:45:54 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 20:45:56 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30857 http://www.insectnet.com/cgi/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=list&forum=DCForumID5&co nf=DCConfID1 Article 30858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fondant Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:53:25 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.32.36.80 X-Server-Date: 5 Jan 2002 16:57:30 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!feed.ac-versailles.fr!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30858 I really thought that buying fondant would be much easier than making it myself. I was wrong...I can't find a place that sells pre-made in any quantity in my area (NC). What I did find was a few pounds that was outrageous in price. I tried the recipe in the Bee Culture magazine and found it to be very easy and not at all messy. I have one of the recipes posted on my site: www.ingenbees.com/fondant.htm for anyone interested. Try making it yourself; you'll be in for a pleasant surprise plus you don't have to pay shipping and handling charges on orders from other states or countries. Pete Article 30859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nick Caldrone (Varroa) Bee answer lies in China ? Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:47:45 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vkh5f$etm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1e8080.521862424@news1.radix.net> <9vma43$t5j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1f266c.564334761@news1.radix.net> <9voe7a$ehn$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vsji4$fl3$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p100.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1010293973 27649 203.96.192.228 (6 Jan 2002 05:12:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jan 2002 05:12:53 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!203.96.216.22!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30859 Excellent ! Thanks for the refs Allen Carmen Allen Dick wrote in message news:Xns91875AB0428FEallendinternodenet@198.80.55.10... > >> Nonetheless, I consider the drone removal method to be a perversion of > >> our relationship with the bees. > > > True, but the choice is: take the brood away with the mites or let > > crippled drones emerge with the mites. Which one do you prefer? > > Gee. Are those my only choices? > > How about neither? > > allen > --- > http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ > Updated daily. Currentlhy discussing pollen supplements. Article 30860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nick Caldrone (Varroa) Bee answer lies in China ? Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:40:39 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1d2b62.434538552@news1.radix.net> <9vkh5f$etm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1e8080.521862424@news1.radix.net> <9vma43$t5j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1f266c.564334761@news1.radix.net> <9voe7a$ehn$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vsji4$fl3$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p100.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1010293818 27513 203.96.192.228 (6 Jan 2002 05:10:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jan 2002 05:10:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30860 Jerome Marot wrote in message news:cc38b740.0112300155.3005462a@posting.google.com... > "Carmen" wrote in message news:... > [...] > > With regard to formic, I recently attended a seminar, much was made of the > > need for ample cover up gear > > when using formic and the inherent dangers of fumes and acid burn etc. > > [...] > > You must be clear with yourself that organic acids can cause nasty > burns. Protective gear is a must. A bucket of water (to rinse things > off in case of accident) a very good idea. Good thinking ! :) Carmen Article 30861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fwd:- Catch the Buzz Article Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:45:08 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 78 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p100.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1010293819 27513 203.96.192.228 (6 Jan 2002 05:10:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jan 2002 05:10:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30861 Hi All The following looks like a really interesting service, I have a suggestion :- if people here use the service and email questions to the Research Service, If you feel the question and return answer would be of interest to this e-list then please post here so others can also read the outcomes. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: (Fwd) Catch The Buzz Article Interesting approach being taken by USDA beekeeping scientists to improve extension and public knowledge of beekeeping generally... ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: kim Subject: Catch The Buzz Article USDA Experts tackle the tough questions with this new service. 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It can be found at: http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Kim Flottum Editor, Bee Culture Magazine http://www.airoot.com/beeculture/index.htm (\ Nick Wallingford Article 30862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fondant Message-ID: <8eqg3u48fkenv17hho1qqvur6asc51of0l@4ax.com> References: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:40:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1010331642 4.33.104.69 (Sun, 06 Jan 2002 07:40:42 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 07:40:42 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 07:40:43 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30862 Thanks, Pete. Here' s a simple microwave recipe to make candy for feeding one or two colonies. It does not stimulating egg laying: 1. In a one quart or larger microwave dish, mix thoroughly one and a half cups granulated sugar and one-half cup light corn syrup ( 3:1 ratio). No water. 2. Microwave on a high setting, stirring every few minutes, until the mixture is clear and bubbles become larger (thumbnail size), about 10 minutes. Bubbles should be large, but is certainly stop if the mixture starts to brown. A wooden spoon for stirring is most effective, as it can be left in the dish during microwave cooking. 3. Pour into a mold made from cardboard, or a pan, lined with wax paper to cool. It will become brittle. This hard candy can be slipped into the hive, on top of frames or between, where the bees will consume it. I once made it with honey instead of corn syrup and ended up with a taffy consistency. The bees loved it, but it's harder to apply in the hives. Basically, any peanut brittle recipe can be adapted to make bee candy. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tighe Smalley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees for sale - central New York Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <8z%Z7.13394$qv.2661974@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 17:11:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.58.52.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 1010337092 24.58.52.49 (Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:11:32 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:11:32 EST Organization: Road Runner Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30863 13 colonies, doubles, well-provisioned; healthy, treated w/Apistan, NO history of FB. Weaver All-Americans & carnies equipment VG to EXC. condition Must sell, and soon, due to move. $45 apiece. Prefer to sell together; will accept b.o. for the lot. email n1aep@yahoo.com or call 607.347.4335 Article 30864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Viacheslav Sheveliov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:46:25 +0300 Organization: COMSTAR Telecommunications Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> <9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: d190.p8.col.ru X-Trace: storm.comstar.ru 1010369478 56742 212.248.4.190 (7 Jan 2002 02:11:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@comstar.ru NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jan 2002 02:11:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!mtu.ru!news2.aha.ru!Radio-MSU.net!comstar.ru!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30864 Charlie Kroeger ОХЬЕР Б ЯННАЫЕМХХ:tv5v2u4i2g3jhr0ljt3hb2q347d6s9tr66@4ax.com... > Viacheslav, greetings.. > Hi, Charlie! > What is the cell diameter used by these 'far eastern' bees that we > know live with varroa but are not killed out? Far Eastern bees are originated mostly from European bees. True Russian bees are relative to dark bees from North Europe (Apis mellifera mellifera). Ukrainian bees (Apis mellifera acervorum) most probably are transitional form from Russian bees to Carnica. So cell size of Far Eastern bees should be equal to European bees (~5.4 mm). But there are records about some hybridization of Far Eastern bees with Korean bees (A. indica) with smaller cell size. Which bees were introduced in US? Anyway, I don't sure that resistance of Far Eastern bees is so high because Far Eastern beekeepers in Russia always use Apistan. It seems that they have some tolerance, which is controlled with many genes. ------ Viacheslav Sheveliov slavash@aha.ru Article 30865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:16:07 -0600 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> <9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1010441768 26899162 216.167.143.162 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.162!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30865 Viacheslav Sheveliov ask: >Which (Far Eastern) bees were introduced in US? I don't know but someone will. Watch this space. C.K. Article 30866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 20 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Jan 2002 19:34:02 GMT References: <8eqg3u48fkenv17hho1qqvur6asc51of0l@4ax.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Fondant Message-ID: <20020106143402.05014.00000019@mb-ce.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30866 I made 50 lbs of fondant last month after reading all the different ways to make the stuff and finding nothing of great use. To a five pound bag of sugar add one pint of water Heat the mix in a pot to about 240 degrees. All the candy recipes talk about 234 degrees but wax on about the weather affecting everything. When it gets hot enough the bubbles take on an opalescent look to them. Pour it into whatever mold you are using. If it sets up looking like frost on a windowpane or sparkly snow with no liquid remaing you did good. If there is liquid remaining after about 15 minutes cooling you screwed up and either didn't heat hot enough or used too much water. You can reheat the stuff and add a little more sugar and pour it out again. If it looks tan you burned the sugar and it will make your bees sick don't use it. Article 30867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees Date: 7 Jan 2002 13:36:33 GMT Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> <9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-5.internode.net (198.161.229.181) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1010410593 26846290 198.161.229.181 (16 [58605]) User-Agent: Xnews/L5 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!195.158.233.21!news.ebone.net!news1.ebone.net!newsfeed.vmunix.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-5.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30867 Anyone know what the measurements are of the foundation(s) used in Asia? The former USSR in particular? Measuring is easy. See http://www.internode.net/honeybee/Misc/CellCount.htm for instructions. allen "Viacheslav Sheveliov" posted in news:a1b045$1nd6$1@storm.comstar.ru: > Charlie Kroeger ОХЬЕР Б > ЯННАЫЕМХХ:tv5v2u4i2g3jhr0ljt3hb2q347d6s9tr66@4ax.com... >> Viacheslav, greetings.. >> What is the cell diameter used by these 'far eastern' bees that we >> know live with varroa but are not killed out? > > Far Eastern bees are originated mostly from European bees. True > Russian bees are relative to dark bees from North Europe (Apis > mellifera mellifera). Ukrainian bees (Apis mellifera acervorum) most > probably are transitional form from Russian bees to Carnica. So cell > size of Far Eastern bees should be equal to European bees (~5.4 mm). Article 30868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Vitalij Grishenko" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:11:57 +0200 Organization: LinCore public news site Lines: 221 Message-ID: References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> <9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-253-i7d9.lin.com.ua X-Trace: babaj.lincore.net 1010495473 721 217.144.65.253 (8 Jan 2002 13:11:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@lincore.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:11:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news1.spb.su!news1.relcom.ru!ktts!babaj.lincore.net!lincom!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30868 Здравствуйте! Мы производим пчелоинвентарь в ассортименте, имеется в наличии воск пчелинный, цветочная пыльца, ващина. Если Вас заинтересовало наше сообщение, просим ответить. Украина, г.Харьков. С Уважением Виталий. -- Best regards! Vitalij Grishenko vitsim@lin.com.ua Viacheslav Sheveliov пишет в сообщении:9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru... > Hi! > Sorry for delayed response, I have many work. > > Adam Finkelstein пишет в > сообщении:9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com... > > In article <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru>, > > Viacheslav Sheveliov wrote: > > >Russian bee and lesser - Italian and Korean bees. Actually, this bee > strain > > >is very heterogeneous. > > > > Most bee strains are. Bees are selected by man. Most honey bees > > are synanthropic--meaning they have changed over time due to direct > > interaction or association with humans. > > May be, but Far Eastern bees was not included in state program of bee zoning > in Soviet times, so no breeding work have been done and was no breeding > apiaries offering genuine Far Eastern bees/queens. According to state zoning > program, central Russian strain was designed for Far East. Still there are > discussions about origin of Far Eastern bees. Most researchers agreed that > they are originated mostly from Ukrainian bees (Apis mellifera acervorum). > In Primorsky region in mid 19-th century was settled with many Ukrainians, > and still there are areas in Primorsky region populated mostly with > Ukrainians. So, among Far Eastern bees there are families most relative to > Ukrainian bees and ones relative to Russian bees (Apis mellifera mellifera). > Russian bees are very aggressive, Ukrainian are less, so bees described by > Steve seems are more relative to Russian bees or they are pure central > Russian bees. > > OK, I stop my amateur reasoning and give citation from serious book (sorry > for my terrible English) > > ============================== > Bilash G.D., Krivtsov N.I. Breeding of honey bees. - Moscow, Agropromizdat, > 1991 - 304 pp. ISBN 5-10-001701-5 > > Pages 83-85 > ----------------- > > Far Eastern Bees. Those bees can and should be classified as primitive > strain, however officially they are not accepted as a strain, despite there > are no any serious reason against such decision. They populate territory of > Chitinsky, Amursky, Khabarovsky and Primorsky regions, where Far Eastern bee > formed as primitive strain from the end of 19-th century till present times > as result of excursive crosses of bees introduced by frontiersmen mostly of > Ukrainian strain, less - central Russian strain, lesser - yellow and gray > Caucasian strain and much lesser - Italian strain, and also as result of > natural and artificial selection. As result of heterogeneous origin Far > Eastern bees differ from other strains by greater amplitude of variability, > however according main characteristics quite answer to conditions of > primitive strain (array of specific features, their stabile inheritance from > generation to generation, great number of families, which exclude > probability of relative crosses in big scale and so on). > > V.V. Stasevich (1913), known specialist of Far Eastern bee-keeping, > considered that Far Eastern bees are product of successful combination of > central Russian and Ukrainian bees in conditions of Primorsky region. > > V. Grudnov (1913) reported, that in Amursky region settlers introduced > central Russian bees from Altay, from Perm and Voronezh regions, Ukrainian > bees - from Poltava region, and Caucasian bees (most probably, yellow > ones) - from northern Caucasus. Caucasian bees badly hibernated here, they > was very swarmed (up to 4 swarms, and sometimes 7-8 swarms per family during > summer), but was outstanding by honey production. > > Prominent personality of Far Eastern bee-keeping, one of the founder of > Dalpcheltrest G.F. Muryi denoted, that in the Far East gray Caucasian bees > was also introduced as well as queens of Italian strain (included ones from > Australia). > > Body of Far Eastern bees is bit smaller than body of central Russian bees. > By coloring they divided to pure gray and with yellow stripes on first 2-3 > sternites. Size of proboscis is 6.1-6.8 mm. Weight of one day old bee is > near 105 mg, queen not laying eggs is 180, laying eggs queen is 230 mg. Bees > are moderately defensive (notably less defensive that central Russian bees), > more enterprising in finding of food sources and bit sooner switch from > worse to better nectar sources (less enterprising, than Caucasian bees). > Inclination to honey stealing is moderate. Propolising of hives is light. > Cell capping is different - from white through several transitional forms to > dark. Cases of "quiet" changing or coexistence of queens are very rarely > observed. Well resist to wax moth. > > Light honey production don't limit, but increase young production. At period > of main honey productions bees store honey uniformly - in brood part and in > supers. > > Far Eastern bees are good in hibernating, resistant to Nosema apis, > toxicosis from non-floral honey _(what is right English terminology?)_, > European foulbrood, but slightly cedes in those characteristics to central > Russian bees, and exceed bees of southern strains. Spring development of > families begins relatively early and proceeds intensively, however egg > production of queens is not high (in the range of 1100-1600 eggs per day, > rarely it is 1700-1800). > > A.P. Volosevich showed, that number of egg tubes and productivity of > Ukrainian queens was slightly higher (6.3 and 8.4% respectively), than ones > of Far Eastern queens. Supposedly, that decreasing of those characteristics > of Far Eastern bees is explained by influence of Caucasian strain (both gray > and yellow ones), which productivity remarkably low comparing to central > Russian and Ukrainian bees. Probably, thus in Far East splits are widely > used, without them over there almost impossible to get big bee families by > the time of main honey production. > > Far Eastern bees quite prune to swarming, but remarkably less than central > Russian bees. Before main honey production time up to 50% of families can be > in swarm conditions, best way to reduce it is forming of splits. Number of > queen cells is differ from 4 to 150, as a rule, gray bees builds less queen > cells and less prune to swarming than yellow ones. > > Far Eastern bees are outstanding in seldom capability to very effectively > use strong, exuberant nectar production from linden: accidents described, > when family brings during a daytime up to 30-32 kg of nectar, and collects > during season (together with отводок) up to 300 kg of honey. Wax > productivity of Far Eastern bees is slightly less, than wax productivity of > central Russian and remarkably higher than wax productivity of Caucasian > bees. > > Based on multiannual experiments (V.S. Koptev) was established, that Far > Eastern bees and their F1 crosses in West Siberian conditions and in > conditions of some European regions of Russia collected more honey, than > endogenous central Russian bees; in conditions of Adygea - more, than > endogenous Kuban bees (S.V. Aref'ev); in Ukraine - more, than families of > Ukrainian bees, however ceded them in quantity of young production (A.P. > Volosevich). > > Those bees are rich heterogeneous material for further effective breeding > for productivity and other qualities. Long ago have been raised a question > about granting them official status of primitive strain. Origin and complex > of characteristics, characterizing this group of bees, occupying territory > and number of families (several hundreds of thousands), more than earnestly > says for such decision. Motivating, according which it was not done earlier > and which consists in argument that Far Eastern bees are nothing more than > pure descendants of Ukrainian bees, cant stands against any critics. > > ============================== > > > >Honey production of Far Eastern bees have been formed in conditions of > rich > > >nectar sources, mostly from linden, and can do well in such conditions. > > >In Primorsky region there are 3 main species of linden with successive > > >flowering one month long and Far Eastern bees usually produce 50-100 kg > of > > >honey. > > > > That's fascinating. When does this Linden flow start? Is the honey of high > > quality? > > When me and my father visiting my father's school friend near Vladivostok, > he complained that ha had no time to take care of bees, to expand haves, he > lost several swarms and collected "only 30 kg" per have :-) > Honey I eaten was fresh and very aromatic. it seems, that honey lost aroma > during extraction. In general linden honey is my favorite. > Nowadays Far Eastern and Bashkirian beekeepers fill Russian market with > cheap linden honey, which make unprofitable beekeeping in many other > regions. > > Lindens, wich grow in Russian Far East are Tilia taquetii, T. amurensis and > T. mandshurica. They bloom from begining to end of July. Less valuable are > T. komarovii, T. koreana, T. tomentosa. Linden gives good nectar production > at the same place every second year. There is a method of prediction of > linden nectar production accordingly with oil content inbranches. > > > Adam > > -- > > Adam Finkelstein > > adamf@panix.com > > http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf > > > > > > > > Article 30869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beecandy Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:52:36 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.32.36.db X-Server-Date: 8 Jan 2002 20:56:41 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30869 Check out the recent post for fondant. Bee candy and fondant are essentially the same thing. Like I mentioned before, I have two recipes on my web site that tell how to make it: www.ingenbees.com/fondant.htm. I also give a brief synopsis on how to feed using an extra super. I hope this helps, Pete (Christopher Petree) Article 30870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beecandy Message-ID: <0lpm3uoebtuf7spa9n1r6s7fj57s8rl8h3@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:38:50 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:38:36 -0600 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet!newsfeeds-atl2!newsfeeds-atl1.usenetserver.com!atlpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!48d5b156!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30870 1-2-3-4-5 one lb water 5 lb suger 234 degrees until it turns while and poor it fast into you telescoping cover or special sugar board. Dave On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:52:36 -0500, "Christopher Petree" wrote: >Check out the recent post for fondant. Bee candy and fondant are essentially >the same thing. Like I mentioned before, I have two recipes on my web site >that tell how to make it: www.ingenbees.com/fondant.htm. I also give a brief >synopsis on how to feed using an extra super. > >I hope this helps, > >Pete (Christopher Petree) > Article 30871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Jan 2002 21:36:49 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: beecandy Message-ID: <20020108163649.23780.00001849@mb-fj.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uchicago.edu!newsfeed.cs.wisc.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30871 If you are just plugging queen boxes just use a marshmallow. Article 30872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Harper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fondant Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-178-216.btinternet.com X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1010526387 7604 213.1.178.216 (8 Jan 2002 21:46:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@helle.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:46:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30872 Bakers fondant is the icing that bakers use; for instance as the icing on iced buns( you may know icing as confectioners sugar) when I have bought it here in England it can be obtained from a Bakers that bakes on the premises or from a supplier of Bakers equipment and ingredients. In the event of purchasing from a supplier you may have to buy a box of say 12lbs. weight"Billy Smart" wrote in message news:3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com... > Group, > > Most references I see when looking through the archives with regard to > the use of fondant for winter feeding involves beekeepers from the UK. > Where can a beekeeper in the US get baker's fondant? Are there any US > beekeepers on the list that use fondant to feed bees in winter? > > Thanks, > > Billy Smart > Rock, KS Article 30873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: pppaulhill@aol.com (Paul hill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey coops Date: 8 Jan 2002 17:09:53 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 3 Message-ID: <748940da.0201081709.105a23ed@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.103.52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1010538594 30629 127.0.0.1 (9 Jan 2002 01:09:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jan 2002 01:09:54 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30873 I am a beekeeper in southern Indiana. Does anyone know of any honey cooperatives in Indiana or surrounding states that I could market my surplus through? Article 30874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Morton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: red mason bee mating Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:51:50 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30874 Just a quick question - can anyone tell me how long it takes for red mason bees to mate ? Thanks. Article 30875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WANTED: medium supers (U.S.A.) Date: 11 Jan 2002 06:26:54 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 9 Message-ID: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1010748414 20737 166.84.1.2 (11 Jan 2002 11:26:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jan 2002 11:26:54 GMT Summary: Relative to the U.S.A Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30875 Hello, surfacing from the working-world to post this. I'm looking for 100 or more medium supers, U.S.A. Used is fine. I'm in the Mid-Atlantic area. Would you pass this along? Thanks, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 30876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beecandy Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:01:00 -0500 Organization: OWDS Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 38-pool6.ras11.gaatl-i.tii-dial.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 1010610020 21999 206.148.173.38 (9 Jan 2002 21:00:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:00:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.online.be!zur.uu.net!bos.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!sea.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30876 Thanks guys! "Christopher Petree" wrote in message news:a1fme9$n0e$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net... > Check out the recent post for fondant. Bee candy and fondant are essentially > the same thing. Like I mentioned before, I have two recipes on my web site > that tell how to make it: www.ingenbees.com/fondant.htm. I also give a brief > synopsis on how to feed using an extra super. > > I hope this helps, > > Pete (Christopher Petree) > > Article 30877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: frathan@airdial.net (Fr. Athanasios) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Planting buckwheat for bees - advice please Date: 11 Jan 2002 21:22:07 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: <5564f45f.0201112122.669ff444@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.19.110.164 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1010812928 6283 127.0.0.1 (12 Jan 2002 05:22:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jan 2002 05:22:08 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!maxwell.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30877 > Yo Ivan: > > I can't help you with the amount of area to plant, I plant as much as I have > land available and let it go at that. I only have a few hives and I usually > don't get enough of a flow from the buckwheat for a very strong buckwheat > honey, but it does add a very nice flavoring to the rest of the flow. > > Skip Hello Skip, I appreciated your post and all of the information on buckwheat! Do you have any idea what should be the approximate price for it per lb. in a fifty lb. sack quantity? Thank you very much! Fr. Athanasios Article 30878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5564f45f.0201112122.669ff444@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Planting buckwheat for bees - advice please Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:09:25 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-t65DxrZsa7Gn+PwseRIqBuwvGpIpQU1kWPKXLsg3dJeTnm/LitvDNr9Fz9W92va4Dkn+2DE7MaX21sr!DNUuOVkv3cSZ60P10Jcs0Axt+NIZYaqtDlaKj8VShdS1MFON2o6xJ0kW8w8eY8Ir13NbxCCqgVhT!i+sY8khJb8mENfQg1j8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:09:25 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30878 "Fr. Athanasios" wrote > I appreciated your post and all of the information > on buckwheat! Do you have any idea what should be > the approximate price for it per lb. in a fifty lb. > sack quantity? Thank you very much! Buckwheat is not a high demand item so the seed cost is reasonable. Locally it is available @ .75 cents lb. retail, or @ approx. .50 cents lb. wholesale. Seeding rate is between 35 to 70 lb. per acre, depending on the condition of the seed bed and what you are trying to accomplish with the planting. One nice thing about buckwheat is in a thin planting it will branch and develop multiple seed heads. I think I posted these URLs before, but just in case... http://www.agric.gov.ab.ca/agdex/100/118_20-2.html#agronomy http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/Crops/Buckwheat.html Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 30879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Gazza" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cleaning Wax Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:31:53 +1100 Organization: ihug (Sydney) Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1010871063.122126@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: bugstomper.ihug.com.au X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 1010871064 29081 203.109.250.24 (12 Jan 2002 21:31:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:31:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cache-Post-Path: bugstomper.ihug.com.au!unknown@p179-tnt3.syd.ihug.com.au X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30879 Hi, I am just wondering if anyone can give me suggestions or help on the best way in which I can clean and refine the bees wax Thankyou Article 30880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Gazza" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Creamed Honey Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:45:00 +1100 Organization: ihug (Sydney) Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1010871849.348393@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: bugstomper.ihug.com.au X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 1010871850 29719 203.109.250.24 (12 Jan 2002 21:44:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:44:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cache-Post-Path: bugstomper.ihug.com.au!unknown@p179-tnt3.syd.ihug.com.au X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30880 Hi I am also after help in how to make creamed honey, so if anyone can tell me how to make creamed homney it would be very much appreciated Article 30881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Jan 2002 22:57:41 GMT References: <1010871063.122126@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Cleaning Wax Message-ID: <20020112175741.13319.00001174@mb-cp.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30881 Pour it through sweatshirt material fuzz side up Article 30882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beecandy Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:48:58 -0500 Organization: OWDS Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 34-pool5.ras11.gaatl-i.tii-dial.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 1010515702 2510 206.148.172.34 (8 Jan 2002 18:48:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:48:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!skynet.be!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!uunet!chi.uu.net!sea.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30882 I know that this has probably been posted a million times before.....but does anyone have a recipe for beecandy? thanks Article 30883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dave and Judy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning Wax Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:58:37 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3C40E9CD.DB634684@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1010871063.122126@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 55 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed.online.be!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30883 Gazza wrote: > Hi, > > I am just wondering if anyone can give me suggestions or help on the best > way in which I can clean and refine the bees wax Hi. I am not sure just what degree you want your beeswax refined. If you are a hobbyist and have a small amount of cappings or old comb that you want to reduce to blocks, etc., here's what we do. We use an old Coleman cooler to drain the cappings. We put a metal queen excluder in the cooler, it fits right onto the little ledge in the upper edge of the cooler. We dump the cappings from our cut cappings off with a heated knife pan right onto the queen excluder. We let the cappings drain for as long as is convenient. We keep the cooler If it is mid-summer it's usually about a week. We then take the cappings and dump them in a 5 gallon bucket. We add water and a tiny bit of dishsoap. We swish the cappings around, then we drain and dump them into another 5 gallon bucket with just water. You can gather the cappings with your hands and squeeze them out. Surprisingly, you lose very little this way. The last little bit that is floating that you can't catch, you can pour back through a queen excluder or strainer. When we have enough wax accumulated we melt it down. I buy disposable aluminum roaster pans. I put the cappings and other type of old comb into the roaster pan. (You must not use your wife's good roaster, no matter what) I set the oven on its lowest setting which is 175 degrees F. I takes at least 3 hours or so to melt the wax down. The wax will separate from the gunk (I use this term unscientifically to include various dead bee parts, some bee larvae, and that coating that is left in the cell from each successive generation of bee) in it. I pour the hot wax through a 'used only for wax' sieve (a strainer shaped like half of a round ball) into another disposable aluminum pan. This time the pan is a loaf shape. When the wax cools, the wax will be on the top of the loaf, the honey will be floating in the bottom of the pan. The gunk from the combs will be on the bottom of the loaf of wax. I scrape the 1/4" or so of gunk from the bottom of the loaf. Depending on the amount of gunk we started with, I may put these loaves into a larger disposable pan and remelt it. Any additional gunk will again gravitate to the bottom of the pan. When you cool the wax, you can scrape the stuff off. We do not own a solar wax melter. I am too impatient to use the solar melter. When I do wax, it takes over my kitchen for a day. But then it is done. We usually only melt the wax once per year. By culling old combs, using cappings, taking wax from bee removals, etc., we usually have a couple 5 gallon buckets of wax to clean. HTH, Judy Article 30884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: carsimex@mnogo.ru (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SUPER DUMPING BOARD Date: 10 Jan 2002 05:28:19 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: <49875365.0201100528.f58a81d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1010669299 15199 127.0.0.1 (10 Jan 2002 13:28:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jan 2002 13:28:19 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeeds.nerdc.ufl.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.kornet.net!news-xfer.nuri.net!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30884 I came accross the plan to build super dumping device. I can not make out how to use it. May be after I build it it will be more clear to me but now I am lost. Any one ever worked with it? Thank you, Andrey. Article 30885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sci.agriculture.beekeeping, FINAL NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal Date: 12 Jan 2002 19:30:40 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <2ik3uk$6ve$4@62.42.230.225> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.156.34.223 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1010892640 31476 127.0.0.1 (13 Jan 2002 03:30:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jan 2002 03:30:40 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30885 Howdy -- A large majority of who ? I was not asked to vote. With the heavy use of the site, what is the justification? Pete Article 30886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sci.agriculture.beekeeping, FINAL NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <2ik3uk$6ve$4@62.42.230.225> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:54:53 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1010894074 80.1.219.11 (Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:54:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:54:34 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30886 On 12 Jan 2002 19:30:40 -0800, hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) wrote: >Howdy -- > > A large majority of who ? I was not asked to vote. With the heavy use of >the site, what is the justification? > > Pete It's a troll. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 30887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Terry Dozler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees for sale! Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. 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John Hruby Article 30888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1010871063.122126@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> Subject: Re: Cleaning Wax Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:37:35 -0800 Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.10.159 Message-ID: <3c4226b8_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1010968248 209.23.10.159 (13 Jan 2002 18:30:48 -0600) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30888 Hi, Soak the wax in water to rinse any honey in five gallon pails. Use a strainer to transfer wax to a crock pot (used only for this purpose) in which the wax is melted. Strain through double layered cheesecloth into half gallon milk cartons(cleaned) that have had the top cut off. Using a crock pot there is very little chance of burning the house down as there is no flame. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: combining in January Date: 13 Jan 2002 18:46:52 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <993fd181.0201131846.69e6e323@posting.google.com> References: <747f6cf3.0201121802.4894690d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1010976413 26304 127.0.0.1 (14 Jan 2002 02:46:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jan 2002 02:46:53 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!opentransit.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30889 rubes@infostations.com (Janet) wrote in message news:<747f6cf3.0201121802.4894690d@posting.google.com>... > Hi, it has been very warm here in California, so I thought I should > check our hives. We have 3 medium supers that make each hive. Out of > our 7 hives, one is queenless with about 3 frames of bees and one has > a queen, but also has 3 frames of bees. Our other hives have bees on > all frames. Should I combine each of those weak hives with a strong > hive (and kill the week queen) or just leave it until spring. And > would I use a sheet of newspaper to combine? > Thanks, > Janet Hi Janet, 3 med. frames isnt much of a hive to really worry about.You could combine them if they are side by side,and together they might amount to something later.Everyone has a certain percentage of 'dinks' or 'culls'in late winter.Poor queens or queens with 'bad'genetics (succesptable to mites,virus,etc.)are a common reason.So you may just want to let them peg out and re-stock with a swarm or split or package later on.If you join them and they still dont pull ahead then you can try re-queening.As a general rule,beekeepers spend too much time worrying about their weak hives when they really should be concentrating on the strong ones. -Mike Article 30890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "De Witt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Why is my honey still granulated Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:13:32 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 6 Message-ID: <96F7C2D2570C948B.4CE7FF5A551D7ECE.1E52182019DD4729@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1-aux.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Jan 13 21:14:19 2002 NNTP-Posting-Host: !_&A"1k-VcL$F!7 (Encoded at Airnews!) 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Cliff Article 30891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:24:40 -0600 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <71h14u82472qavq9d1g7hifl6um20co3t3@4ax.com> References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> <9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.59 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1010877886 29707505 216.167.143.59 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.59!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30891 Vitalij Grishenko said 'something' but it was possibly in Russian which my newsreader doesn't seem to encode. sorry, C.K. Article 30892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 174 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: o927i841845i2417@aol.com (O927I841845I2417) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Jan 2002 01:03:33 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Physiotherapy and Dru Yoga Message-ID: <20020112200333.18577.00004851@mb-bk.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30892 YOU HAVE AN AMAZING BODY! www.druyoga.com YES - every one of you who is reading these words. And you can move so beautifully, too. There is so much we each can do to promote our own physical health and well being, and it doesn't need hours of working out in a gym. In fact, you can begin right now in three easy steps! 1) Begin by lengthening your spine upwards, drawing your chin in slightly. 2) Raise your collar bones and relax your shoulders down. 3) Observe your breath flowing easily in and out of your body for the next 5 breaths. That should feel better! Why I began What I have always loved about the practice of yoga, since my very first class when I was a 16 year old studying for my A levels, is that there is an instant 'feel-good factor' which no other form of exercise or body-work has given me to the same extent. And it was when I was introduced to Dru Yoga four years later during my physiotherapy training, that I knew I had found a form of yoga that would not only take my practice deeper, but that could be a powerful therapeutic approach to many of the conditions I was being exposed to, from back problems to M.S to asthma. Since that time I have personally witnessed hundreds of people who have successfully resolved their physical problems with a Dru Yoga programme. It has certainly occurred to me that if everyone practised Dru Yoga on a daily basis I could be out of a job as a physio! This is because I know it to be a perfect approach for maintaining our musculo-skeletal systems in excellent working order. How is this? We always begin a Dru Yoga session with a comprehensive warm-up to prepare the body. I also find this time is essential to reconnect people with their bodies, as so many people are more mentally active than physically active during their working day and often don't realise how stiff they have become. The Energy Block Release Sequences that follow can then systematically mobilise each of the joints and, most importantly, the spine - an area where we ask our students to focus much of their attention as they move. Alignment Developing correct alignment is central to the practice of yoga, and the following four areas are corner stones to this: 1) Good control of your postural muscles - especially the 'core stability' groups such as the deep abdominal muscles, which maintain the correct tilt of your pelvis. These muscles are recruited in virtually all of the asanas and sequences (except in the 'corpse' pose which is the supine pose for relaxation, when they are given permission to let go!) 2) Flexibility in key muscle groups - Yoga is well known for improving our flexibility, which is an important factor in being able to maintain a good posture. For example tight pectoral muscles are often associated with being 'round shouldered'. By stretching the shortened pectoral muscles, and strengthening the opposite postural muscle group (lower fibres of trapezius) which many yoga postures do very effectively, upper body alignment can improve dramatically. Aches and pains that many people experience in the neck and shoulder area are caused simply by incorrect posture and can be reduced dramatically by the practice of specific postures. For example, Ustrasana (the camel posture) followed by bhujangasana (the cobra posture) are two of the many postures that work beautifully on these muscle groups. 3) Mobility in the joints of the body - especially the spine. There is something so wonderful about having taken every main joint of the body through its full range of movement. So often our working and leisure activities simply don't utilise our full potential to move, and as a consequence we find our flexibility reducing with age. Dru Yoga mobilises the joints to their optimum range without creating unnatural stretches that could lead to strain or hyper-mobility. 4) Awareness - Through the use of concentration, direction of breath, and visualisation, which a Dru Yoga teacher will facilitate, our self-awareness quickly grows. It often begins with increased awareness of our posture, leading to our becoming more conscious of our unique habits and patterns of movement and being able to consciously improve these. (We can recall how we recognise friends from a distance, even before seeing their face, simply by their individual way of moving). As our awareness develops, we will start to reduce the stresses and strains which we normally inflict on our body without realising simply through correct alignment. Awareness of our breathing pattern will keep us in a much more relaxed frame of body and mind and is the essential pathway to correcting the very common condition known as hyperventilation (over-breathing). Awareness can then expand into the subtler aspects of ourselves, so that we can start to observe our thoughts, feelings and levels of energy and learn to control them. The Dru Yoga Approach to Postures (asanas) and Dru Yoga Sequences In the worldwide field of yoga there are many different approaches to yoga postures, some of them requiring high degrees of flexibility, which the media love to portray. What I have always appreciated about Dru Yoga is that the emphasis is on how we go into and out of a posture - making our movements slow, flowing and controlled. Stages and modifications are provided so that the asanas become available to everyone and a feeling of fulfilment or achievement can be experienced by all, regardless of their level of flexibility or physical limitations. I have found a great deal of overlap in the current approach to 'muscle balance' in the physiotherapy world and the style of Dru Yoga. The core stability muscles of the lower back, abdominal wall and pelvis that we frequently have to teach people to strengthen as physiotherapists are of great importance in all yoga postures. However in contrast to repetitive exercises that can become somewhat boring to do regularly, it is my experience that yoga becomes a journey of discovery - the postures 'open up'or expand with repetition, and can reveal something new each time you practise them. For example, standing postures such as 'the warrior' really do cultivate a feeling of inner strength, courage and motivation - as well as being excellent for improving knee problems by strengthening the quadriceps and gluteus medius muscles in a weight-bearing way. Transversus abdominus, a deep abdominal muscle which has recently gained much interest in the field of research because of its essential role in posture and prevention of back pain, is activated in all standing yoga asanas, which are always begun by drawing in the lower abdomen. Keeping the collarbones or sternum raised is a frequent alignment instruction, and this is an excellent approach for reducing neck and thoracic pain and shoulder impingement problems. Because in Dru Yoga our movements are so flowing, the body is strengthened almost effortlessly. This develops tremendous control around our joints, which is an important key to managing any musculo-skeletal problem. Rather than being tiring, the sequences also energise us, and because self-awareness develops so naturally in yoga, the benefits are incorporated into our daily lives very quickly. Research There is currently much interest in Yoga Therapy and research continues...studies have shown how the practice of yoga can help in carpal tunnel syndrome and osteo-arthritis of the hands. It has been shown useful in the management of many conditions, including hypertension, diabetes, asthma and epilepsy - and I haven't even mentioned the whole dimension of relaxation, with its far reaching benefits on so many stress related illnesses. For example, a recent thirteen-year study of patients with lymph cancers found that relaxation exercises could prolong the lives of sufferers by a significant length of time. But alongside all the physical benefit is, for me, an even greater treasure....the freedom inside that yoga will bring. The freedom from thoughts that sabotage us.....freedom from emotions that cause us pain and stop us being fulfilled human beings. For in my work I know that I can teach postural correction exercises over and over again, but if the client has poor self esteem and low confidence, that also needs to be addressed if he is really going to be able to hold his head up high. And I know that the multi-dimensional approach of Dru Yoga can do it. www.druyoga.com Ruth Boaler (MCSP;Grad Dip Phys) is an experienced Chartered Physiotherapist working in an NHS hospital in the West Midlands. She is also a Senior Tutor of the Dru Yoga Therapy Training Course in Europe, and co-ordinates the U.K course. 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Email: druyoga@lifefoundation.org.uk copyright Life Foundation School of Therapeutics Dru Yoga is a registered trademark Article 30893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: rubes@infostations.com (Janet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: combining in January Date: 12 Jan 2002 18:02:48 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <747f6cf3.0201121802.4894690d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.81.73.237 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1010887368 29792 127.0.0.1 (13 Jan 2002 02:02:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jan 2002 02:02:48 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30893 Hi, it has been very warm here in California, so I thought I should check our hives. We have 3 medium supers that make each hive. Out of our 7 hives, one is queenless with about 3 frames of bees and one has a queen, but also has 3 frames of bees. Our other hives have bees on all frames. Should I combine each of those weak hives with a strong hive (and kill the week queen) or just leave it until spring. And would I use a sheet of newspaper to combine? 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If you would like to have direct access to expert advice that you can turn into profit, the next move is your One Month No Obligation Free Trial Please visit our web site at - www.agrisupportonline.com Article 30895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: carsimex@mnogo.ru (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sci.agriculture.beekeeping, FINAL NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal Date: 15 Jan 2002 08:59:41 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: <49875365.0201150859.44110d15@posting.google.com> References: <2ik3uk$6ve$4@62.42.230.225> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1011113981 15270 127.0.0.1 (15 Jan 2002 16:59:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jan 2002 16:59:41 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30895 Yes, I am regular reader, and first time here about it. What are the other arrangements are?. Andrey. Article 30896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C447598.6815BBA4@nowhere.com> From: Jeff Organization: Nowhere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:21:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.174.18.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news2.news.adelphia.net 1011118887 216.174.18.77 (Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:21:27 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:21:27 EST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!router2.news.adelphia.net!news2.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30896 i am just beginning, i have not even ordered any equipment yet. i have a good handle on what equipment i need, some of the basic processes involved in keeping bees, etc, and i have access to someone who has kept bees in the past who promises to help me. but i have two questions that i need answers to, 1) what kind of bees to get ? i am in virginia mountains usda zone 6b if that makes a difference, i do not know what the "standard" kind of bee is here, what most people keep. i want three colonies. any thoughts on the type of bee to purchase ? also when is the best time to establish the colonies ? 2) the bees will be kept in the woods but there are nearby fields and meadows. the challenge is that these woods are just that, woods! and there are black bear possible! how do i protect the bees from being raided by honey loving pooh bears ? i can fence them in if that will help, or do more if it is not enough ? thank you for any information. Article 30897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Shanta McBain" Subject: Re: Why is my honey still granulated Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <96F7C2D2570C948B.4CE7FF5A551D7ECE.1E52182019DD4729@lp.airnews.net> <20020114074839.13103.00005835@mb-fe.aol.com> User-Agent: Pan/0.10.0 (Unix) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Comment-To: "BeeCrofter" Lines: 10 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:19:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.67.253.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1011136787 24.67.253.205 (Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:19:47 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:19:47 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30897 In article <20020114074839.13103.00005835@mb-fe.aol.com>, "BeeCrofter" wrote: > 112 was not warm enough you need to be 117 but not for long.a day max it will burn the it is crap. Shanta Article 30898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: leggassoc@aol.com (Lawrence Legg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning Wax Date: 15 Jan 2002 19:40:20 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <1010871063.122126@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> <3c4226b8_1@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1011152420 32710 127.0.0.1 (16 Jan 2002 03:40:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jan 2002 03:40:20 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30898 I put the wax in a coffee can and place the can in a pot with couple rocks or such underneath and water in the pot. Basically a double boiler and then heat until the wax melts. Then pour couple inches of the hot water in a second can and use a paint strainer (available at paint store) and pour wax through strainer into hot water. When it cools, you will have clean wax. The strainer got the thick stuff and any honey or such sinks to bottom of water. If pour wax into cold water, the wax sets up immediately and locks any honey back into it. Easy and works well. Article 30899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: leggassoc@aol.com (Lawrence Legg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Date: 15 Jan 2002 20:24:13 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <3C447598.6815BBA4@nowhere.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1011155053 1230 127.0.0.1 (16 Jan 2002 04:24:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jan 2002 04:24:13 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30899 Jeff wrote in message news:<3C447598.6815BBA4@nowhere.com>... > i am just beginning, i have not even ordered any equipment yet. i have > a good handle on what equipment i need, some of the basic processes > involved in keeping bees, etc, and i have access to someone who has kept > bees in the past who promises to help me. but i have two questions that > i need answers to, > > 1) what kind of bees to get ? i am in virginia mountains usda zone 6b > if that makes a difference, i do not know what the "standard" kind of > bee is here, what most people keep. i want three colonies. any > thoughts on the type of bee to purchase ? also when is the best time to > establish the colonies ? > > 2) the bees will be kept in the woods but there are nearby fields and > meadows. the challenge is that these woods are just that, woods! and > there are black bear possible! how do i protect the bees from being > raided by honey loving pooh bears ? i can fence them in if that will > help, or do more if it is not enough ? I have the same concern with black bears as they have been spotted just across the creek. Not worrying too much at moment due to time of year but I bought a hand held air horn and rigged it in a box on a pole with trip wires going around the hives. Figure fencing is expensive and they can break through but this ought to scare the shit out of em. Also have several strands of wire around as a somewhat physical deterrent. Otherwise woods in this area isn't bad as that is where they actually get lot of their honey nectar(tulip poplar, sourwood) from. > > thank you for any information. Article 30900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Tool Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:42:07 -0500 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 26 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1011206529 32143043 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30900 As an on-going father\daughter 4-H Project my daughter has asked me to release her hand held program "Hive tool" to others that might be able to use it. This small program is designed to work on handheld devices like the Palm Pilot or Handspring Visor. The program is a very simple tool that can be used to keep notes on your hives. As a father and daughter project we hope all will enjoy. Please remember to get kids involved in 4-H and especially beekeeping! The program Hive tool can be downloaded at: http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html or http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ Article 30901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Rick" From: "Rick" References: <2ik3uk$6ve$4@62.42.230.225> <49875365.0201150859.44110d15@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: sci.agriculture.beekeeping, FINAL NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:50:01 -0800 Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust39.tnt3.coos-bay.or.da.uu.net 63.16.201.39 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed.news.msn.com!cpimsnntpa02.news.msn.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30901 This is bummer I hope it is not true. Rick "Andrey" wrote in message news:49875365.0201150859.44110d15@posting.google.com... > Yes, I am regular reader, and first time here about it. What are the > other arrangements are?. > > Andrey. Article 30902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C460E12.2F680B69@sympatico.ca> From: Mike Romain X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sci.agriculture.beekeeping, FINAL NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal References: <2ik3uk$6ve$4@62.42.230.225> <49875365.0201150859.44110d15@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:34:42 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.229.218.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1011224337 64.229.218.49 (Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:38:57 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:38:57 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30902 No, it is just some fool trying to flood news.admin.net-abuse.email because he linked all the replies to it. He has posted that BS on most of the newsgroups I follow. Not the first time he has done it either. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Update: 5 Day Canadian Bush 2002 New Year's Jeep Run http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292141347 Rick wrote: > > This is bummer I hope it is not true. > > Rick > > "Andrey" wrote in message > news:49875365.0201150859.44110d15@posting.google.com... > > Yes, I am regular reader, and first time here about it. What are the > > other arrangements are?. > > > > Andrey. Article 30903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:26:31 -0600 Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.141 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1011234391 32077361 216.167.138.141 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.141!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30903 >The trick here is to continuosly monitor the >strength of the smoke by breathing deeply thereof and I am led to believe >that you will cease to be concerned about your impending doom. >Mike That's a good way to avoid varroa anxiety, and maybe others too. Most Americans however don't need to use this method as they already use SSRI's instead. C.K. Article 30904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Date: 16 Jan 2002 19:41:03 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <993fd181.0201161941.2f66b43e@posting.google.com> References: <3C447598.6815BBA4@nowhere.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.161 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1011238863 685 127.0.0.1 (17 Jan 2002 03:41:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jan 2002 03:41:03 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30904 > I have the same concern with black bears as they have been spotted > just across the creek. Not worrying too much at moment due to time > of year but I bought a hand held air horn and rigged it in a box on a > pole with trip wires going around the hives. Lots of experience with bears.Forget the air horn.Wire hand grenades to the trip wire.You will thank me. -mike Article 30905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa a state of mind Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:48:35 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p82.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1011172281 15555 203.96.192.210 (16 Jan 2002 09:11:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jan 2002 09:11:21 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30905 Hi All I received the following today, I thought it a rather interesting commentary so thought I'd share :-D ----- Original Message ----- From: To Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: [] Varroa a state of mind I have decided that Varroa is a state of the mind. Last week the Auckland branch had a meeting with a young lady doing research for a group of South Islanders into the situation as regards Varroa and what measures that could be taken to lessen or make more managable the ensuing affects. This got me thinking and I recon I have the answer. Before I go into the answer it would help to identify the question or problem. As I see it there are some widely differing mental attitudes and opinions and fears as to how the mite will affect the South. These range from an almost all consuming dread to a feeling that there could well be positives. These are evidenced by the reactions of different players in the industry and vary from a continual bleating about how we are all doomed to the attitude of "lets see what prior action we can take". As I said at the start its all a state of the mind. It is almost certain to happen so well done those being pro-active. Here's a hint for a way to get the fears out of your mind. I'm sure someone some where will have said that if you use Indian hemp in your smoker instead of hay the mite will become confused and fall off. The trick here is to continuosly monitor the strength of the smoke by breathing deeply thereof and I am led to believe that you will cease to be concerned about your impending doom. Mike Article 30906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa a state of mind Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:48:49 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p82.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1011172294 15556 203.96.192.210 (16 Jan 2002 09:11:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jan 2002 09:11:34 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30906 Hi All I received the following today, I thought it a rather interesting commentary so thought I'd share :-D ----- Original Message ----- From: To Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: [] Varroa a state of mind I have decided that Varroa is a state of the mind. Last week the Auckland branch had a meeting with a young lady doing research for a group of South Islanders into the situation as regards Varroa and what measures that could be taken to lessen or make more managable the ensuing affects. This got me thinking and I recon I have the answer. Before I go into the answer it would help to identify the question or problem. As I see it there are some widely differing mental attitudes and opinions and fears as to how the mite will affect the South. These range from an almost all consuming dread to a feeling that there could well be positives. These are evidenced by the reactions of different players in the industry and vary from a continual bleating about how we are all doomed to the attitude of "lets see what prior action we can take". As I said at the start its all a state of the mind. It is almost certain to happen so well done those being pro-active. Here's a hint for a way to get the fears out of your mind. I'm sure someone some where will have said that if you use Indian hemp in your smoker instead of hay the mite will become confused and fall off. The trick here is to continuosly monitor the strength of the smoke by breathing deeply thereof and I am led to believe that you will cease to be concerned about your impending doom. Mike Article 30907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:18:27 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1011256862 3599 203.96.192.24 (17 Jan 2002 08:41:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jan 2002 08:41:02 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30907 Hi Charlie We should be in the height of the honey flow season, however the weather hasn't been conducive to good flows, what with Varroa etc, beekeepers are a little glum, so good to have some light-hearted humour. What is 'SSRI's ' ? Regards Carmen Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:mcdc4u4o1l1hrtdtdufpeb7aftjul2fuq3@4ax.com... > >The trick here is to continuosly monitor the > >strength of the smoke by breathing deeply thereof and I am led to believe > >that you will cease to be concerned about your impending doom. > >Mike > > That's a good way to avoid varroa anxiety, and maybe others too. > Most Americans however don't need to use this method as they already > use SSRI's instead. > > C.K. Article 30908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:35:26 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p112.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1011297475 13406 203.96.192.112 (17 Jan 2002 19:57:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jan 2002 19:57:55 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express