Article 10609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pierco plastic frames? Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 17:39:15 +0000 Organization: Denrosa Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <34a6b3d2.6778568@news.ioa.com> <34a6cae3.28466950@news.earthlink.net> <34a7b272.9336476@news.netside.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk [194.222.100.90] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 50 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10609 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:8 We at Denrosa tried a few Pierco's about three seasons back. We found that initially the bees were very reluctant to draw them and made a real mess with drone brace(burr) comb all over the place including attachments to the faces of the frames. The hives involved got overcrowded below and drew swarm cells rather than make full use of these bars. However, it is fair to point out that we had probably mistimed (too early) the addition of them to the hives, because when the first really strong flow came along they were then properly drawn with relative ease. By this time we had scraped a great deal of burr comb off with the hive tool and regarded that task as a real pain. Properly timed adding of these would probably get round this trouble. We do not find that our bees draw excessive burr comb between the boxes and, once drawn, the combs are as well accepted by the bees as wax combs. We have no problem with their strength in brood chambers and have never used them for extracting purposes but cannot forsee any difficulty with it. We had no trouble with using the hive tools on them. We had one problem which I raised with Nick Lissaman, and is the main reason I did not go out and buy a truckload. The foundation does not stay flat, tending to bow slightly in one direction or the other. It is not by much, but unless you are very careful and get the combs lined up so they all bow in one direction ( we just don't have time for that), it is enough to compromise the bee space. Then, in the brood nest, you get a bald patch if two bows face each other and burr comb if two hollows are together. I admit I am being a little fussy highlighting this because, believe you me, I have some pretty poor conventional combs as well. In fairness to Pierco, these are combs from a mould which I believe has now been done away with and I understand a new stronger mould came into service a year or two back which may have taken care of the bowing problem. As one respondent said however, with whom I agree, I think that as things stand I would probably find a strong wooden frame with really sturdy foundation like plasticell most to my liking. Murray -- Murray McGregor Denrosa Ltd Coupar Angus Perthshire Scotland Article 10610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!dsinc!news.voicenet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!btnet-peer!btnet!knews.uk0.vbc.net!vbcnet-gb!news.enta.net!not-for-mail From: "Richard Hill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Busy buzzin' the web honey! Date: 29 Dec 1997 18:07:39 GMT Organization: NEWSplus... Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bd1484$e57aa2a0$22614ac3@newsplus> NNTP-Posting-Host: warp6-33.entanet.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10610 This article looks at apiculture on the internet. Reprints of the above article in the current edition of BEE WORLD are available if required. Please send a stamped self-addressed envelope (or equivalent in international reply coupons). Richard Hill 8 Folkestone Court Langley Berkshire SL3 8LX United Kingdom -- Richard Hill - Writer and Journalist NEWSplus... A member of the national Union of Journalists e-mail: richard@newsplus.enta.net URL: http://www.newsplus.enta.net Article 10611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.2.250.4!news.netside.com!usenet From: jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com (John K. Warsaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pierco plastic frames? Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 14:31:19 GMT Organization: LogicSouth, Inc. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <34a7b272.9336476@news.netside.com> References: <34a6b3d2.6778568@news.ioa.com> <34a6cae3.28466950@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mx42p1-74.logicsouth.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10611 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:9 There has been a fair amount of discussion on this subject here. You might want to run a search and see what you can find. I tried to use the Pierco frames on and off for several years, and had terrible luck with them. My bees didn't seem to like them, and were reluctant to draw comb on them. Whenever they had a choice between wood or plastic, they chose wood. Otherwise, my experience was similar to John Caldeira's. I'd never use them again. jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) wrote: >malbisse@post1.com (malbisse) wrote: >>Does anyone here have any experience with the plastic frames made by >>Pierco? > > Pierco plastic frames did NOT work well for me. I bought some hives >several years ago that had some of these plastic frames. The bees >drew the foundation out nicely, and the queens layed good patterns, >BUT: > > 1. The frames broke with normal hive manipulations with a hive tool, >especially in cool weather. > 2. Plenty of burr comb between supers/hive bodies. > 3. The frames sagged. > >Best way to go, IMHO, is grooved top & bottom bar wood frames, with >either Dadant's Plasticell foundation or Mann Lake's Plastic >foundation. Just pop the foundation in. That give me the the good >properties of plastic foundation without the problems that I had with >Pierco's plastic frames. > >Cheers, >John > >================================================ >John Caldeira >Dallas, Texas >http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ >================================================ -- PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 10612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!198.168.100.2!altitude!dynppp-204.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 16:47:21 -0500 Organization: Necessary Illusions Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dynppp-204.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10612 I have my honey stored in plastic buckets and it has all crystallized. Scooping it out by hand and melting it is pretty labourious. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to bulk remove and process the honey out of plastic pails. Thanks Article 10613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: candle molds Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 14:54:19 -0500 Lines: 20 Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.117.50 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.117.50 Message-ID: <34a800cc.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.he.net!news.pagesat.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news1.mid-ga.com!204.216.117.50 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10613 You need to contact Mrs. Lynne Ivie of Diamond I Farms in Unadilla GA. She can probably tell you anything you want to know about making beeswax candles. Here's their E-mail... DiamondI@Corinthian.net C. -- Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries Perry, GA USA [Beeman@hom.net] SEE OUR EXHIBIT AT THE GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR IN PERRY, GEORGIA USA OCTOBER 9th thru 18th 1998 Visit us at...[http://www.hom.net/~beeman] Article 10614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping References: <34a6b3d2.6778568@news.ioa.com> Subject: Re: Pierco plastic frames? Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 14:40:55 -0500 Lines: 34 Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.117.50 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.117.50 Message-ID: <34a7fda9.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!dsinc!news.voicenet.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.oru.edu!nntp.mid-ga.com!news1.mid-ga.com!204.216.117.50 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10614 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:10 I've tried the one-piece frames but I don't like them. I prefer the plastic foundation only that snaps into the wood frame. Try the ones that are black in color. They're much easier to spot eggs in. I've found it's best not to mix them with the regular wax foundation in any one hive. Either use one or the other. Chip -- Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries Perry, GA USA [Beeman@hom.net] [http://www.hom.net/~beeman] malbisse wrote in message <34a6b3d2.6778568@news.ioa.com>... >Hello -- > >Does anyone here have any experience with the plastic frames made by >Pierco? I'm not talking about the plastic foundation that they make >for regular, wooden frames -- I mean the one-piece plastic >frame-and-foundation. > >I'd like to know if they really are accepted by the bees, and if >Pierco's claims that they result in more brood, varroa resistance >because of the smaller cell, and increased production because of 15% >more surface area are true or just marketing hype. > >Thanks > >geoff malbisse Article 10615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!netnews.com!news2.euro.net!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: varroa treatment UK Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 00:46:26 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqhQl7U5JyTsf+y> Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10615 For UK beekeepers Check out the MAFF (EU) directive on medicants at Honey is only mentioned once (I think) along with animal carcasses et. al. I wonder if some of those clever Members of Parliament still believe that bees are created in the body of an ox? The part about "The owner of an establishment of initial processing of animal products shall keep such records.....to enable the animals from which those animal products were derived,..... to be identified." Well, One worker bee looks pretty much like another to me. Or am I getting to be too cynical in my old age? -- Tom Article 10616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.clark.net!209.130.129.134!node2.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: 30 Dec 1997 03:13:58 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 28 Message-ID: <01bd14d0$eec0ae80$1a9182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-12.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10616 Francis Miquet wrote in article ... > I have my honey stored in plastic buckets and it has all crystallized. > Scooping it out by hand and melting it is pretty labourious. Does anyone > have any suggestions on how to bulk remove and process the honey out of > plastic pails. Pop the lid up so it ain't sealed tight. Put down in a Canner (big metal kettle) something to keep the plastic up off the bottom of the kettle a titch. Put your crystalized honey bucket on top of your "raiser(s)". Add water in the Canner (making a "double boiler" of sorts). Put it on low heat on the stove. It will take a while but you can (I have) reliquefy FULLY crystalized (no liquid) buckets thataway. Of course be sure to use low heat and don't let the water level get too low. -- Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ Article 10617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.200.9!news.fidnet.com!not-for-mail From: John Brackman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: apitherapist St. Louis Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:10:13 -0800 Organization: Fidelity Communications, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <34A89045.534E@fidnet.com> Reply-To: judge20@fidnet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sullivan-mo-103.fidnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10617 Does anybody know of an apitherapist in greater St. Louis? The apiatherapy society gave my name to the lady but I am a bottled venom guy as was the other close by name. She would like to do live bees - something I will learn next spring when I have hives. Article 10618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.md.home.com!cc404921-a.twsn1.md.home.com!user From: Webmaster@scienceguide.com (Robert W. 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According to a new analysis from University of California, Berkeley, when the boomers become the elderly of the future, they will have impressive numbers of stepchildren and stepgrandchildren, expanding the numbers of family members on whom they may rely, if necessary. -- Robert Georgantas BS, MS, PhD (candidate) Researcher in Experimental Immunotheraputics Department of Pharmacology and Molecular Sciences The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine Also publisher of: The Science Guide The World Wide Web News and Information Service for Scientists http://www.scienceguide.com Article 10619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sdd.hp.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:06:03 -0800 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 21 Message-ID: <34A88F4B.FA2@teleport.com> References: Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-03.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) To: Francis Miquet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10619 Hello, I have an insulated box that will hold a couple of buckets. I use a hot plate to keep the box warm. It takes a couple of days at around 115 degrees to thoroughly liquify the honey. You could also buy a bucket hearter that wraps around the bucket and warms it. Good Luck, Paul Francis Miquet wrote: > > I have my honey stored in plastic buckets and it has all crystallized. > Scooping it out by hand and melting it is pretty laborious. Does anyone > have any suggestions on how to bulk remove and process the honey out of > plastic pails. > > Thanks Article 10620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,rec.crafts.brewing Subject: FS: Meadowfoam Honey / great brewing honey. Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:21:41 -0800 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 25 Message-ID: <34A892F5.6665@teleport.com> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-03.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10620 rec.crafts.brewing:151618 Hello, For Sale: 60# buckets of Oregon Meadowfoam Honey - $84/bucket. If you haven't tried Meadowfoam honey, you're missing a really tasty honey. It has a unique vanilla flavor. A local food vendor uses it for all his homemade softdrinks. It's also a great brewing honey. Meadowfoam is a oil seed crop that is being developed in Oregon. The oil is an environmentally friendly alternative to Sperm Whale oil. For more information on the plant check out: http://loco.ucdavis.edu/~plotkin/limnanthes.html I'd be glad to ship anywhere in the US. Contact me for shipping rates. They're really not that bad. I can accept Visa, MC, Amex. Paul Cauthorn Cascadia Hop Company www.teleport.com/~pbc/hops/ Article 10621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!nildram!pm1-246.dial.nildram.co.uk From: "John Flemming" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 09:42:49 -0000 Organization: Nildram Ltd Lines: 16 Message-ID: <34a8c30a.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: scooby.nildram.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10621 Francis Miquet wrote in message ... >I have my honey stored in plastic buckets and it has all crystallized. >Scooping it out by hand and melting it is pretty labourious. Does anyone >have any suggestions on how to bulk remove and process the honey out of >plastic pails. > >Thanks Stand the bucket in a tub of hot water, or store in a warm place until it softens. An electric warming jacket may be of use. Be careful only to warm the honey, as too much heat will affect its properties. (Flavour, colour etc.) John Article 10622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dncmccloud@aol.com (DncMcCloud) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Winter Supers? Date: 30 Dec 1997 11:44:18 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19971230114401.GAA25651@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10622 I have three hives in eastern Tennessee. Each of the hives has one honey-filled deep box and two empty (drawn, but empty foundation) supers. Is it alright to leave the empty supers on top or will it create too much "cold space"? I am storing the supers on the hives to keep them "clean" and free from "critters". Article 10623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news-nb.rutgers.edu!brinkley.rutgers.edu!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.69.104.3!ddi2.digital.net!not-for-mail From: byrdnospam@gnc.net (Byrd Harrison) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: 30 Dec 1997 12:50:47 GMT Organization: Byrd's Boats Lines: 9 Message-ID: <68aqn7$7o0$1@ddi2.digital.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-16.globe-net.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10623 In article , fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) says: > >I have my honey stored in plastic buckets and it has all crystallized. >Scooping it out by hand and melting it is pretty labourious. Does anyone >have any suggestions on how to bulk remove and process the honey out of >plastic pails. > >Thanks Have you tried placing buckets in hot water? Article 10624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: 30 Dec 1997 06:53:20 GMT Lines: 34 Message-ID: <19971230065301.BAA15325@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10624 From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) >I have my honey stored in plastic buckets and it has all crystallized. >Scooping it out by hand and melting it is pretty labourious. Does anyone >have any suggestions on how to bulk remove and process the honey out of >plastic pails. Two ways: #1 is the least labor but requires more equipment 1. Put the honey in a cabinet, and hold it for 24 hours at 105 degrees F, or adjust to fit your honey's characteristics. We use a commercial dough warming cabinet, which has a thermostat and timer. They can also be made from an old refrigerator (the insulated box), a light fixture, incandescant bulb (adjust wattage to work), a thermostatic control. The timer is an optional convenience, but don't forget the honey is there. A candy thermometer is also a good check. You can search the archives for plans. 2. Use a large pressure canner with its wire basket or a bunch of jar lids to keep the pail from making contact with the bottom of the canner. Set the pail in a water bath on low heat. You can try various time/temp combinations to get liquification, but use a candy thermometer to be sure you never get above 125F, or you'll start getting off flavors. Too hot, and you can also melt the plastic enough to give an off flavor. Don't leave it on the heat longer than needed to liquify either. You can buy electric strap heaters that surround the pails from some bee supply places. I have never tried one, as I have been told by more than one, that it is too much heat concentrated on one point, and carmelizes the honey. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:45:26 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 43 Message-ID: <34A91716.E0682782@ne.mediaone.net> References: Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: Francis Miquet X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10625 Francis, All the suggestions you've gotten are good ones. We've used them all. About the strap-on pail heaters: We discovered that wrapping a sheet of aluminum (light guage - ~1/32 inch thick & sized to cover the entire pail) around the pail, wrapping the heater around the aluminum sheet, popping the cover off the pail, and regularly stirring the honey in the pail (every 20-30 minutes or so, we use a three foot long wooden spoon) heats the honey evenly and is faster than the water bath method. I suspect that those who've had bad luck with them either haven't done something to distribute the heat more evenly or didn't attend to the honey closely enough. If crystallized honey is likely to be an isolated event for you, use the water method as it is likely that you already have everyrthing you need to do it. Be sure to follow Dave Green's advice and get the pail up off the bottom of the pot... melted plastic & honey in a pot of hot water? hope i never have the pleasure of seeing that! If you're likely to see large pails of crystallized honey regularly (a few a year) but are not handy or don't have the time or money to build a heating cabinet, the pail heater with the sheet of aluminum would handle your needs well. For any quantity of honey (or for someone who likes to build neat stuff) a heating cabinet of some type is WONDERFUL. Kathy Francis Miquet wrote: > I have my honey stored in plastic buckets and it has all crystallized. > > Scooping it out by hand and melting it is pretty labourious. Does > anyone > have any suggestions on how to bulk remove and process the honey out > of > plastic pails. > > Thanks Article 10626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS: Meadowfoam Honey / great brewing honey Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:32:40 -0800 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 25 Message-ID: <34A92228.52F3@teleport.com> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-07.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10626 Hello, For Sale: 60# buckets of Oregon Meadowfoam Honey - $84/bucket. If you haven't tried Meadowfoam honey, you're missing a really tasty honey. It has a unique vanilla flavor. A local food vendor uses it for all his homemade softdrinks. It's also a great brewing honey. Meadowfoam is a oil seed crop that is being developed in Oregon. The oil is an environmentally friendly alternative to Sperm Whale oil. For more information on the plant check out: http://loco.ucdavis.edu/~plotkin/limnanthes.html I'd be glad to ship anywhere in the US. Contact me for shipping rates. They're really not that bad. I can accept Visa, MC, Amex. Paul Cauthorn Cascadia Hop Company www.teleport.com/~pbc/hops/ Article 10627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!nildram!pm1-206.dial.nildram.co.uk From: "John Flemming" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 20:11:52 -0000 Organization: Nildram Ltd Lines: 8 Message-ID: <34a955af.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> References: <19971230065301.BAA15325@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: scooby.nildram.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10627 A 'CREAMER', like a long handled potato masher, agitated up and down, FIERCELY, as the honey melts/softens will help to prevent re-crystallization. I don't know why, but it does! John Article 10628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk (Steven Turner) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!steven.turner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beenet Uk Message-ID: <883504699@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:58:14 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/118 258fcb6a PID: FDAPX/w+ 1.12a EH00015 Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10628 Hello Beekeepers You might have heard of Beenet (The Beekeeping network for beekeepers). We run dialup mail systems across Europe and UK. Beenet Host for UK run by Steven Turner in London is looking for new members to join Each new beenet member is sent a software package which is pre-configured so install is simple. Using Fidonet technology and a modem your computer dials a London number and mail transfers take place. Why bother with Beenet ? 1. All beekeeping conferences/newsgroups/mailing list/beenet conferences all in ONE PLACE.. 2. Access to a massive file database of beekeeping files. 3. Local beekeeping chat areas like the Kent Beekeeping Association conference . Others can be setup on request. 4. Its FREE to use and take part. See my website for instructions on joining beenet http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~beeman/ Regards Steve --- * Origin: Bromley Beekeeping in the 21st Century (240:244/118) Article 10629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "Dr. Lalo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees working Palm trees Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:40:06 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <34A98656.315C@earthlink.net> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.249.194 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10629 I just came back from Miami and, while I was there, I went to the Miami Zoo. The entrance of the zoo is landscaped with various species of palms including coconut and palmetto. One of the palms had small coconut shaped fruit about the size of ping-pong balls. When you squeezed these they had an outer soft yellow cover and an inner harder portion. When you squeezed you also got a sticky clear fluid that oozed out. I noticed that many honey bees were harvesting this "nectar". I tasted it and it had a mild sweet taste. Does anyone know about this palm and about any honey produced from it? Thanking all in advance. Lalo Article 10630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: organic honey Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 03:15:00 GMT Message-ID: <9712282016252857@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <17B6F96B9S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <01bc60d7$c62ffc80$6f7a1fce@default> Lines: 87 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10630 PURE, NATURAL, ORGANIC It could be argued that Honey, all Honey is described by the above, but in a regulated market if you are selling a generic product like honey there are rules, regulations, and soon new taxes for those who for the most part been using negative advertising on their honey labels. Maybe they are getting what they deserve but what worries me more is the public is going to get a new government program that will do nothing to improve the honey they may want to consume and be no more then another official government licensed rip off. Negative advertising is when you put something on your label that would say to the public that it is different for others who do not have the same on their label. Honey is honey, "pure" honey, or "natural", or "organic" are used to show a difference between one honey over another, when their may be no difference that can be detected by the consumer as all honey it is hoped is pure, natural, and organic. Yes those who want to join the green market with their honey and label it as being different then other honey with the words "ORGANIC" will have a chance to prove their faith in big brother and add an additional tax expense to their business of $50. per bee "organic" bee yard and $500. per "organic" Honey House. It is interesting in many retail market's all this will extra expense not allow the seller to receive any extra charges as those who police the pricing do not recognize label changes as good reason to charge more. Some of the rules for "organic" honey seemed to have come from the bureaucratic asylum, especially those that require inspections of the so called "organic" pasture the organic beekeeper's bee's are working to make that organic honey and the idea that this could be done by our government at any cost is more orgasmic then organic. Like all good government regulation there are easy outs for those who have the gold, and if you have about $30,000.00 you can be made your own "organic" honey inspector and not have big brother blowing smoke up your noise, or for some like off shore organic providers they can get the job done for $40.00 per hour. Even the sugar fed by the organic beekeeper will have to be grown and processed the organic way. What a crock of bad smelling organic stuff this new regulation is and it will be law soon enough if a lot of someone's don't take the time and effort to read the fine print and soon as the comment period will be closed before you can read the entire rule. You can check it out in detail and download the whole mess searching the government sites using "nop" or start by going to this government urinal and work back from there. http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/rule/20513.htm>http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/rul e/20513.htm Just a little of what you will find: =A7205.13 Livestock feed. (iv) Bees from which organic honey and other products are harvested shall have access to forage organically produced in accordance with the requirements specified in 205.3 through 205.11 so as to comprise the predominant portion of their forage needs. (2) Non-agricultural products provided as vitamin or mineral supplements may be used to satisfy the health requirements of livestock under organic management, Provided, That a synthetic supplement is included on the list of synthetic substances permitted for use in livestock production provided for in =A7205.24. Of course antibiotics are not permitted, you will find mega bytes of reading, but if you look you will find a order blank for a hard copy if you are into it or you can download the whole thing. I hope those who are interested will get in this tread as I would like to hear from some defenders of this regulation who think that paying more taxes to the government will make their honey any better then anyone else, or think they will get more money for it at the super market. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- ž QMPro 1.53 ž ***NOTE*** You can print this picture..... Article 10631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!1-55.skylands.net!user From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mead recipes Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 20:36:04 -0400 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 5045@206.103.0.69 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10631 Hello! I've posted 2 historic mead recipes to: http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/sample.html plus links to many mead-related sites at: http://members.aol.com/renfrowcm/links.html Enjoy! Cindy Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net Author & Publisher of "A Sip Through Time, A Collection of Old Brewing Recipes" http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/ Article 10632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Gary L. Bradshaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter Supers? Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 20:57:23 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <68c8qo$nh5@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net> References: <19971230114401.GAA25651@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.155.234 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10632 gbees@worldnet.att.net It may be OK but I would at least put the inner cover below the supers to reduce that space. Personally, I prefer to take them off. DncMcCloud wrote in message <19971230114401.GAA25651@ladder02.news.aol.com>... >I have three hives in eastern Tennessee. Each of the hives has one >honey-filled deep box and two empty (drawn, but empty foundation) supers. Is >it alright to leave the empty supers on top or will it create too much "cold >space"? I am storing the supers on the hives to keep them "clean" and free >from "critters". Article 10633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter Supers? Date: 31 Dec 1997 11:14:33 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bd15dd$2793df40$0168afce@default> References: <19971230114401.GAA25651@ladder02.news.aol.com> <68c8qo$nh5@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn100-001.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.deshaw.com!news.web.compuserve.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10633 I winter my bees in single deeps with spare supers underneath.I feel the bees may cross from frame to frame without having to contact the sides or the bottom board.Early spring exam,frame swapping,and splitting,is much easier.Also the bees are away from the entrance. -- E.L.Scofield Sideline Beekeeper Virginia Beach,VA.USA > DncMcCloud wrote in message > <19971230114401.GAA25651@ladder02.news.aol.com>... > >I have three hives in eastern Tennessee. Each of the hives has one > >honey-filled deep box and two empty (drawn, but empty foundation) supers. > Is > >it alright to leave the empty supers on top or will it create too much > "cold > >space"? I am storing the supers on the hives to keep them "clean" and free > >from "critters". Article 10634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.170.121.3!viper.america.net!not-for-mail From: William Bradshaw Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: snow Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:55:14 -0500 Organization: Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <34AAA321.F8AFC355@stc.net> Reply-To: wmb@stc.net NNTP-Posting-Host: max5-4.stc.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10634 We've had some snow here in north Georgia ,my question, is it important to keep the snow wiped away from the bee entrance. I'am thinking the bees could smother or something. Article 10635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.213.232.11!news.pcnet.com!not-for-mail From: "Joseph J. Bray" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: old beekeeping books Date: 31 Dec 1997 23:28:08 GMT Organization: PCNet -- Connecticut's Internet Service Provider. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bd1634$b1eaafa0$71e8d5cc@dynamic.pcnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-pt13.pcnet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10635 Experienced beekeepers as well as novices know the value of bee books. Old classic beekeeping books are increasingly hard to find though. I have for sale a number of classic used and antiquarian bee books by such authors as Langstroth, Bevan, Root, Pellett, Quinby, B.F. Beck, Huber, and many others. For a free list send me an email at jbray@pcnet.com or write to me: Joseph J. Bray, PO Box 203305, New Haven, CT 06520. Thanks for your time. Article 10636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34AA762C.96F79742@foxinternet.net> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:43:28 +0000 From: "Dennis W. Pierce" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dead bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.212.107 Lines: 4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news.prostar.com!208.8.212.107 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10636 Our bees have all died, they have honey on them still, and Apistan too. They are dead in the upper super. Anybody know what's up? I live in Seattle. Article 10637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees and Alaska Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 06:58:38 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <68f0ul$1ua$1@usenet89.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1994@24.234.6.36 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10637 Is it possible to have hives in Alaska, is it too cold? I'm thinking about moving there. mark Article 10638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees Date: 1 Jan 1998 04:41:01 GMT Lines: 14 Message-ID: <19980101044101.XAA03561@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34AA762C.96F79742@foxinternet.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10638 From: "Dennis W. Pierce" >Our bees have all died, they have honey on them still, and Apistan too. >They are dead in the upper super. Anybody know what's up? I live in >Seattle. Um....... you didn't leave an excluder on them did you? Bees move up and leave the queen behind to freeze. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: snow Date: 1 Jan 1998 04:46:01 GMT Lines: 26 Message-ID: <19980101044601.XAA04039@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34AAA321.F8AFC355@stc.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10639 From: William Bradshaw >We've had some snow here in north Georgia ,my question, is it important >to keep >the snow wiped away from the bee entrance. I'am thinking the bees could >smother >or something. > It is a good idea to have an upper entrance, for ventilation, and excess moisture removal. If you do, don't worry about snow. If you don't, I still wouldn't worry about ordinary snow, because it will breathe. But heavy wet snow, or rain and snow mix, especially, if it freezes into a hard, dense crust, can kill bees in tight equipment. I've had it happen here in coastal in a late spring storm. Of course a rapidly building hive in the spring is more vulnerable because their metabolic rate is faster. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.bellglobal.com!nntp.texas.net!node2.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Alaska Date: 1 Jan 1998 05:08:19 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bd1673$3e713aa0$1e9182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <68f0ul$1ua$1@usenet89.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-16.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10640 Mark wrote in article <68f0ul$1ua$1@usenet89.supernews.com>... > Is it possible to have hives in Alaska, is it too cold? I'm thinking about > moving there. There are Alaskan beekeepers. We had one that spoke at the Michigan Beekeepers Association Fall Meeting in 1997. From what he said the big trick is learning to really be good at overwintering. -- Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ Article 10641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: peter.hutton@amigabee.org.uk (Peter Hutton) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!peter.hutton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: varroa treatment UK Message-ID: <883617910@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 20:42:26 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/116 2552334c REPLY: 240:44/0 726e587e PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(163) Hallo Tom Lines: 55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10641 Thanks for the HMSO address, I sent you an Email but the system was down until ten minutes ago. I was only able to get the Statutory Instrument an hour ago. You are right about honey. I believe there is a gaping hole in this legislation, bees are insects not animals although it was reported earlier in 1997 that they would be called food producing animals. Excellent for legal debate!! Bees are not mentioned!! In order to know how this might be interpreted one needs to know how the European Court in Luxemburg ruled. I wrote to both the Court and the Belgian Government but neither replied, may be that is because I am English even though I wrote Flemish. T> For UK beekeepers T> Check out the MAFF (EU) directive on medicants at T> T> Honey is only mentioned once (I think) along with animal T> carcasses et. al. I wonder if some of those clever Members of T> Parliament still believe that bees are created in the body of T> an ox? We must all write to our members of Parliament and our MEP's as well to impress on them that we require the ability to fight Varroa, We learn the Fluvalinate resistant mites are now in Northern France and Belgie. If we are not successful in getting the changes we require then we MUST petition Strasburg as is our RIGHT!!! We must also encourage all the European beekeepers to join us whether we or they keep bees for a hobby or a business. We must have the right to use medicaments that have been properly researched and are regarded as safe as may be and are registered for use in an EU state other than our own. In the same vein I believe other researched but unregistered chemicals should be given EU funding to have them registered for use throughout the EU. I think of formic acid and other products. T> The part about "The owner of an establishment of initial T> processing of animal products shall keep such records.....to T> enable the animals from which those animal products were T> derived,..... to be identified." Well, One worker bee looks T> pretty much like another to me. Or am I getting to be too T> cynical in my old age? You are not so cynical that you wouldn't enjoy seeing a goverment bureacrat trying to ear tag some of your bees though!!" ( o l o ) === Best wishes for the new year Peter Hutton from the Garden of England peter.hutton@btinternet.com T> -- T> Tom --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/116) Article 10642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Alaska Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 07:37:18 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 12 Message-ID: <68fh1o$ng2$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <68f0ul$1ua$1@usenet89.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp11.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10642 In article <68f0ul$1ua$1@usenet89.supernews.com>, "Mark" wrote: >Is it possible to have hives in Alaska, is it too cold? I'm thinking about >moving there. > >mark > > > Yes, of course! I have heard that the bees in those northern climes, like Montana and Wyoming, for example, are so busy during those relatively short flowering seasons that they can actually produce as much as bees in the more temperate climes like here in So. Cal. Article 10643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34AC0B74.11A3@accessatlanta.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 13:32:36 -0800 From: don@accessatlanta.com Reply-To: don@accessatlanta.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: NOSPAM Subject: Re: Yugo ARS-Y-C-1 vs the Grey Caucasians References: <349ef5dd.3504815@news> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.6.25 Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 15 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.248!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!32.100.6.25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10643 NOSPAM Ron Neves wrote: > > What are the pros & cons for a beginning Bee keeper using the > Yugo ARS-Y-C-1 vs the Grey Caucasians? > > Thanks > > Ron Neves Ron I have tried the yugo bees with no success. We live in the metro Atlanta area this should be about the same climate as you. I realy wished the yugo bees would have worked being of Yugo decent myself. Don Article 10644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ooffy@aol.com (Ooffy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: 1 Jan 1998 21:14:10 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <19980101211401.QAA20342@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34A91716.E0682782@ne.mediaone.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10644 We have a large warming cabinet, but another technique we use is to wrap a "yard sale" waterbed heater around the bucket (with the thermocouple in the honey about one inche from the side) and set the temp to 95 degrees. We pick these up at yard sales for about a buck or two and were amazed at how well they worked. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee beetools@aol.com http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 10645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ooffy@aol.com (Ooffy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: FS: Meadowfoam Honey / great brewing honey. Date: 1 Jan 1998 21:18:56 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19980101211800.QAA18439@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34A892F5.6665@teleport.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10645 Meadowfoam honey is all Paul says it is and more. It is now our best selling honey. You can also fond out more about the unique crops at http://members.aol.com/beetools/meadow97.htm Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee beetools@aol.com http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 10646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ooffy@aol.com (Ooffy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees Date: 1 Jan 1998 21:42:38 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <19980101214200.QAA23969@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19980101044101.XAA03561@ladder02.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10646 You didn't give enough info or history on you hive to make an indepth "guess", but since you are here in the Northwest and the way you describe the deadout, I'd suspect that tracheal mites were you problem. The best way to deal with t. mites in the Northwest is with grease patties (canolia oil mixed with granulated sugar to a patty consistancy) without any terramycin (Dr. Deleplane's recent research indicates that TM in patties is at to low a concentration to achieve the treatment goals and can lead to AFB TM resistance). Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee beetools@aol.com http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 10647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ooffy@aol.com (Ooffy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Beekeeping Site Date: 1 Jan 1998 21:54:02 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19980101215400.QAA22838@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10647 Luckiamute Bee and beetools is up and running. Ron Bennett, former ditor of the Orgeon State Beekeepers and OSBA webmaster has built a new site with far more information on beekeeping, bee issues, grower concerns ond information, and the "find a beekeeper" for pollination page. Lots of new pages and an online beekeeping catalog and order form. Visit it at - http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 10648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.224.117.13!news3.epix.net!news1.epix.net!not-for-mail From: BeeLover@SPAM_OFF.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 05:22:03 GMT Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <34b27964.48028772@news.epix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: grmn-105ppp71.epix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/32.339 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10648 On Mon, 29 Dec 1997 16:47:21 -0500, fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) wrote: >I have my honey stored in plastic buckets and it has all crystallized. >Scooping it out by hand and melting it is pretty labourious. Does anyone >have any suggestions on how to bulk remove and process the honey out of >plastic pails. > Besides the good suggestions on how to heat it- Maybe you just want to make some mead, (see if you can find a whiskey barrel at a container store, or a brew store) or if you can get a very fine crystalization going, then you've got a premium product, and de-crystalizing will just reduce it's value (depends on your local market of course) Article 10649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Victor S. Patterson" <"vsp@flash.net"@flash.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Hives Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 07:32:31 -0600 Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 39 Message-ID: <68iqp6$1lt$1@excalibur.flash.net> References: <683p8t$g7q$1@news.u-net.net> <19971228152301.KAA19757@ladder01.news.aol.com> <01bd13f5$62f3c4e0$2d9182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: "vsp@flash.net"@flash.net NNTP-Posting-Host: h56asc1-190.flash.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-FlashNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10649 Jack Griffes (spamblocked) wrote: > > Pollinator wrote in article > <19971228152301.KAA19757@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > > In article <683p8t$g7q$1@news.u-net.net>, "Chris Evans" > > writes: > > > > >If I were to make a hive from that twin walled insulated > plastic they use > > for > > >roofing > > would the bees use it and if not why not > > regards > > > > I'm not acquainted with the material, but wonder how bees will > ventilate excess > > moisture. Wood breathes, even painted wood, but I doubt that a > plastic material > > would. > > At one point here in the USA you could buy plastic hives. One > hobbyist I know still has some and the bees do well in them here > in MI. He has not always lived here in MI and at present I > cannot recall whether he moved here from the West or the East > with his plastic hives. > > -- > Jack Griffes > Onsted, MI > USA > e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com > Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ I am another hobbyist using the plastic hives and love them. They have been in continuous service for over ten years, never painted and in as good condition today as when I bought them, I do wish I could get some more. You can get the tops and bottoms from Kelly but not the bodies. You mentioned in an previous post that you had iron in your water and used a water softener. I learned the hard way that you will also need an iron filter, if interested email me at vsp@flash.net Article 10650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees Date: 2 Jan 1998 11:12:48 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bd176f$3c01c6c0$076eafce@default> References: <34AA762C.96F79742@foxinternet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn112-007.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.deshaw.com!news.web.compuserve.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10650 Are you ABSOLUTELY sure they're dead? Take a handfull indoors and see. Dennis W. Pierce wrote in article <34AA762C.96F79742@foxinternet.net>... > Our bees have all died, they have honey on them still, and Apistan too. > They are dead in the upper super. Anybody know what's up? I live in > Seattle. > > Article 10651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 19:04:09 -0800 Organization: Netcom Lines: 23 Message-ID: <34ADAAA9.2ADD@ix.netcom.com> References: <34b27964.48028772@news.epix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca33-19.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jan 02 9:15:35 PM CST 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) To: BeeLover@SPAM_OFF.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10651 BeeLover@SPAM_OFF.org wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Dec 1997 16:47:21 -0500, fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca > (Francis Miquet) wrote: > > >I have my honey stored in plastic buckets and it has all crystallized. > >Scooping it out by hand and melting it is pretty labourious. Does anyone > >have any suggestions on how to bulk remove and process the honey out of > >plastic pails. > > > > Besides the good suggestions on how to heat it- Maybe you just want to > make some mead, (see if you can find a whiskey barrel at a container > store, or a brew store) or if you can get a very fine crystalization > going, then you've got a premium product, and de-crystalizing will > just reduce it's value (depends on your local market of course) Would you mind explaining a bit more about why crystallized honey is useful for making mead? Thanks Vivian Article 10652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!ppp-84-17.bu.edu!user From: iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Winter Vacation... Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 11:28:20 -0500 Organization: ira_seskin@bmugbos.org Lines: 50 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-84-17.bu.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10652 We have had an unusual thaw up here in the NorthEast for the past few days, and my very dormant hive has become very active with outside activity. I put out some soyprotein mixed with sugar as a "snack" to hopefully keep them near the hive when it turns real cold again. The bees love it which leads me to wonder... would this indicate that they are short of food in the hive., or are they just stocking up what ever they find before the big freeze comes back, and just having fun from being cooped up in the hive? -I- -- _ /_/_ .'''. =O(_)))) ...' `. \_\ `. .'''B'zzzzzzzzzzz `..' /| __ / | ,-~ / Y :| // / | jj /( .^ >-"~"-v" / Y jo o | ( ~T~ j >._-' _./ / "~" | I AM HAVING A Y _, | BAD /| ;-"~ _ l HARE DAY / l/ ,-"~ \ \//\/ .- \ Y / Y* l I ! ]\ _\ /"\ (" ~----( ~ Y. ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ->Bugs the Wonder Bunny<- April 1993- November 15, 1997 Ira_seskin@bmugbos.org for e-mail, but NO attachments iraseski@xensei.com for e-mail WITH attachments "Live Free or Die" Article 10655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.246.1.19!news.tds.net!news From: "Roger Post" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: Science News Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:32:38 -0500 Organization: TDSNET Internet Services(http://www.tds.net) Lines: 13 Message-ID: <68m74c$55o@news2.tds.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blmiusr0-a21.btc-bci.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:22475 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10655 sci.agriculture.fruit:1372 sci.agriculture.poultry:4092 sci.agriculture.ratites:1063 Robert W. Georgantas III wrote in message ... >Sign up for the SCIENCE GUIDE DAILY NEWS UPDATE. > Robert: Thanks for the information. I signed up. It seems to have lots of information I might be interested in. Thanks Roger Article 10656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.199.144.108!alpine.psnw.com!news.nas.com!not-for-mail From: hox@nas.com (John or Sonja Hoxeng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: 3 Jan 1998 21:26:08 GMT Organization: The Furs Lines: 16 Message-ID: <68madg$5qq$1@barad-dur.nas.com> References: <34A91716.E0682782@ne.mediaone.net> <19980101211401.QAA20342@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-d24.nas.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10656 In article <19980101211401.QAA20342@ladder01.news.aol.com>, ooffy@aol.com (Ooffy) says: > >We have a large warming cabinet, but another technique we use is to wrap a >"yard sale" waterbed heater around the bucket (with the thermocouple in the >honey about one inche from the side) and set the temp to 95 degrees. We pick >these up at yard sales for about a buck or two and were amazed at how well they >worked. > >Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee >beetools@aol.com >http://members.aol.com/beetools Great idea! I even had a waterbed heater in the closet. BTW I found out why you have to keep the thermocouple near the edge of the bucket. -John Article 10657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.246.1.19!news.tds.net!news From: "THE WHITNEY'S" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Starting a new hive Date: 3 Jan 1998 22:33:50 GMT Organization: MO MONEY Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bd18b3$a8e2f260$c34c89d0@twhitney> NNTP-Posting-Host: mimi2-a02.mill.tds.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10657 I was wondering if someone could tell me how much it would cost and where I could find a queen bee and the rest of the material I would need to start a new hive in mid Michigan Article 10658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.103.30.111!news.idsc.gov.eg!not-for-mail From: Amr Farouk Subject: I am importer & I want Honey prices & specifics offers Message-ID: <147ce$3cc.3a4@news.idsc.gov.eg> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 01:12:12 GMT Lines: 25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10658 I am importer & I want prices & specifics offers Please send me information about the bee Honey 1 - Places of product (Geographical) 2 - Prices in trade's quantity (Filtered or unfiltered) 3 - The prices for every kind (Clover , Wild , Orange ..... etc) 4 - The prices in Kg 4 - Analysis dgrees ( if available ) 5 - Sample of your honey for every kind (Clover , Wild , Orange ..... etc) note : I would pay any excpenses nedd for the sample note 2 : all the documents must be validated I hope to recive the offers soon ( better on my private mail ) to make deal with Financial & Commercial Manager Amr Farouk Abd El Shafy Imtenan Trade & Export Co. Tel:(202) 2414460 --- (202) 2491225 --- (202) 2493831 Fax :(202) 2412945 E-mail: imtenan@stealthmail.com Adress : 6 Emarat El Qewat el Mosalaha , Gesr El Swais st . Cairo , Egypt Article 10659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sunflowers as a nectar source Date: 4 Jan 1998 05:29:05 GMT Lines: 31 Message-ID: <19980104052900.AAA12479@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <34AE7C16.23C7@mail.sunlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10659 In article <34AE7C16.23C7@mail.sunlink.net>, george davis writes: >I am new to beekeeping, and have read about differesnt flowers and the effect >they have on the flavor of the honey associated with them. Does anybody have >experience with sunflowers as a nectar source? I have read of other members >of the Asteraceae being used, but haven't seen anything about sunflowers. >Thanks. Sunflowers are a major honey source in the midwest, where there are large acreages. It is sometimes also a danger, when insecticides are illegally used while bees are foraging. It is only a spotty nectar source in most other areas of the country. Around here they are mostly used for dove feed/bait for hunting parties, and the acreages aren't usually very large. The honey is medium color and richer flavored than clover. I've seen honeybees work Jerusalem artichokes (wild sunflowers) in Texas and Oklahoma and expect that is a part of the honeyflow. We have the flower around here as well, but just not in such numbers. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting a new hive Date: 4 Jan 1998 05:29:04 GMT Lines: 32 Message-ID: <19980104052900.AAA09843@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <01bd18b3$a8e2f260$c34c89d0@twhitney> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10660 In article <01bd18b3$a8e2f260$c34c89d0@twhitney>, "THE WHITNEY'S" writes: >I was wondering if someone could tell me how much it would cost and where >I could find a queen bee and the rest of the material I would need to start >a new hive in mid Michigan 1. Here's a good starting point with lots of info for a beginner: Dr. Keith Delaplane's beginner guide http://www.ces.uga.edu/pubcd/b1045-w.html 2. Also you might subscribe to Bee Culture: bculture@aol.com They not only have a lot of good info, but also ads for package bees, nucs, bee equipment, etc. 3. It is wise to connect with a local bee club. Check with your county extension agent to find one. 4. This group has a lot of resources, but it's a good idea to do your groundwork, then come back when you have specific questions. Good luck. We need more beekeepers..... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wuff.mayn.de!cosy.sbg.ac.at!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!ubnnews.unisource.ch!not-for-mail From: "raphael" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Contact wiht beekeepers in Europe / Switzerland Date: 4 Jan 1998 11:16:57 GMT Organization: Unisource Business Networks Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bd1901$b879e5a0$bea005c1@mcnet.mcnet.ch> Reply-To: "raphael" NNTP-Posting-Host: roberson.isdn.mcnet.ch X-Trace: ubnnews.unisource.ch 883912617 22172 (None) 193.5.160.190 X-Complaints-To: news@ubnnews.unisource.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10661 I would appreciate to get in touch with beekeepers in Switzerland or in Europe. Please let me know who could be interested in such contacts. I leave in Switzerland, and I'm fluent in french and german as well. Thank you. -- Raphael.Oberson@com.mcnet.ch Article 10662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.60.0.212!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "John J. Kriz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supplies Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 16:41:54 -0500 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 2 Message-ID: <34B00221.784C@snet.net> Reply-To: john.kriz@snet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: smfr01-sh1-port16.snet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-SNET (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10662 Try Dadant & Sons for supplies, starter kits, bees. www.dadant.com Alos try a web search under "beekeeping" Article 10663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed5.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 17:34:12 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 25 Message-ID: <34B00E64.BC79590A@ne.mediaone.net> References: <34AA762C.96F79742@foxinternet.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: "Dennis W. Pierce" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10663 Dennis, Another possibility (besides the excellent suggestions so far) is that something (possibly varroa) decreased their numbers/shortened their life span so that during a cold spell when the cluster couldn't move on the frames to more honey, they all died... rather than the partial cluster dead out that happens in a hive with a large enough population. Were alot of the dead bees head into the cells??? Could they have died earlier in the season and you're just now noticing? Were they beginning to dwindle this fall? More details would help those of us who love a good mystery to solve... Kathy Kathy Dennis W. Pierce wrote: > Our bees have all died, they have honey on them still, and Apistan > too. > They are dead in the upper super. Anybody know what's up? I live in > Seattle. Article 10664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34B02782.23D6@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 17:21:22 -0700 From: Phil Reply-To: goldpnr@ibm.net Organization: Disorganised X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees References: <34AA762C.96F79742@foxinternet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.243.68 Lines: 10 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!129.37.243.68 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10664 Dennis W. Pierce wrote: > > Our bees have all died, they have honey on them still, and Apistan too. > They are dead in the upper super. Anybody know what's up? I live in > Seattle. How have you made sure they are "dead"....? -- Phil (NM) Article 10665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34B02B13.1142CC81@foxinternet.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 16:36:36 -0800 From: Dan Kiehnle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees References: <34AA762C.96F79742@foxinternet.net> <34B00E64.BC79590A@ne.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.211.35 Lines: 18 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news.prostar.com!208.8.211.35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10665 I am Dennis's friend, and the bees are kept at my house on Vashon Island Washington. It hasn't been very cold this year, so I was thinking that they might run out of honey, this isn't the case. I'll check and see if they're heads in or out of the hive, but still, they have winter stores thay could have accessed. Going into the fall I noticed a few mites on the bees. I counted about thirteen mites on the 5 hives we had. So on went the Apistan strips which I left on all winter so far. But the bees are dead still, and I'm not certain why. Help if you can. At least we have comb built up, so fresh bees installed this spring won't have to build new comb. Just hard to take the flack from Dennis and my other beekeeping friend Henry who also keeps his bees here....crying about the cost of replacement and such. I told them it's like gardening. If something dies, you replace it, you don't just quit and call it good. Oh well, time to get out the catalogs and see who's bees I'm gonna buy this year. I like Buckfast, so I think I'll go with Weaver. Article 10666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsreader.jvnc.net!not-for-mail From: Daniel C. Haines Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Temp 68 + degrees Date: 5 Jan 1998 01:02:08 GMT Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Lines: 1 Message-ID: <68pbeg$eu2$1@newsreader.jvnc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.146.3.102 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10666 Temp in hi 60's bees doing great here at Harrisburg Pa. Article 10667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34B0355B.12AC@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 18:20:27 -0700 From: Phil Reply-To: goldpnr@ibm.net Organization: Disorganised X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Dan Kiehnle Subject: Re: dead bees References: <34AA762C.96F79742@foxinternet.net> <34B00E64.BC79590A@ne.mediaone.net> <34B02B13.1142CC81@foxinternet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.243.68 Lines: 31 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!129.37.243.68 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10667 Dan Kiehnle wrote: > > I am Dennis's friend, and the bees are kept at my house on Vashon Island > Washington. > It hasn't been very cold this year, so I was thinking that they might run > out of honey, this isn't the case. I'll check and see if they're heads in or > out of the hive, but still, they have winter stores thay could have > accessed. Going into the fall I noticed a few mites on the bees. I counted > about thirteen mites on the 5 hives we had. So on went the Apistan strips > which I left on all winter so far. But the bees are dead still, and I'm not > certain why. > > Help if you can. At least we have comb built up, so fresh bees installed > this spring won't have to build new comb. Just hard to take the flack from > Dennis and my other beekeeping friend Henry who also keeps his bees > here....crying about the cost of replacement and such. I told them it's like > gardening. If something dies, you replace it, you don't just quit and call > it good. Oh well, time to get out the catalogs and see who's bees I'm gonna > buy this year. I like Buckfast, so I think I'll go with Weaver. Could your neighbors or someone else there have accidently sprayed some insecticide? Have any of the neighbors ever complained, and maybe visited when you weren't home, or put out posioned food or water? (Have the county agent check the existing combs for poison residue.......) If you have an angry neighbor, you will comtinue to lose your bees.... even if they never said a word to you.... they just have to set out poisoned honey water..... Sure hope this is not the case... Could a nursery or other flower source nearby have sprayed and you not know? If all 5 hives are dead... something is going on... they didn't die naturally... -- Phil (NM) Article 10668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Temp 68 + degrees Date: 5 Jan 1998 02:42:40 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19980105024200.VAA21230@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <68pbeg$eu2$1@newsreader.jvnc.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10668 Warm spell here in southeast CT Bees making good cleansing flights and looking everything over. I kind of like the return of yellow polka dots on the pickup. Article 10669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: adamshonco@aol.com (AdamsHonCo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees working Palm trees Date: 5 Jan 1998 04:00:52 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19980105040001.XAA02538@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34A98656.315C@earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10669 It's hard to say just which palm it is as Florida has many species with one that is a very good floral source and is the state tree (sabal palm, aka cabbage palm). It could possibly be Queen Ann palm but in any case most all yield nectar and bees love to work them. David Adams Central Florida Article 10670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!btnet-peer!btnet!knews.uk0.vbc.net!vbcnet-gb!news.enta.net!not-for-mail From: "Richard Hill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee World Date: 5 Jan 1998 03:47:20 GMT Organization: NEWSplus... Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bd198c$dcd67540$1d614ac3@newsplus> NNTP-Posting-Host: warp6-28.entanet.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10670 Free reprints of Busy buzzin' the web honey! (article on apiculture on the internet) available. Stamped (or International Reply Coupons) S.A.E. to: Richard Hill (Bee World) 8 Folkestone Court Langley Berkshire SL3 8LX United Kingdom -- Richard Hill - Writer and Journalist NEWSplus... A member of the national Union of Journalists e-mail: richard@newsplus.enta.net URL: http://www.newsplus.enta.net Article 10671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.224.117.13!news3.epix.net!news1.epix.net!not-for-mail From: BeeLover@SPAM_OFF.org (Jon Dough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 04:55:09 GMT Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <34b065ee.131101595@news.epix.net> References: <34b27964.48028772@news.epix.net> <34ADAAA9.2ADD@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: grmn-105ppp99.epix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/32.339 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10671 On Fri, 02 Jan 1998 19:04:09 -0800, miel@ix.netcom.com wrote: > >Would you mind explaining a bit more about why crystallized honey is >useful for making mead? > >Thanks Vivian > Just that you can turn it into something valuable without having to mess around with un-crystalizing. I also make a batch of mead every time I extract - it makes cleanup a breeze - rinse everything off with hot water, saveing the rinse, add yeast etc..., and I don't get bummed out for wasting any. Same with crystalized honey that I don't want to make creamed honey out of , or bother to liquify --- make a batch of mead and BLAM ... move on to the next project. Course, I like mead a lot :-> Article 10672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.214.99.1!ix.netcom.com!news From: Simoun Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Temp 68 + degrees Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 21:54:10 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34B06771.A1050411@ix.netcom.com> References: <68pbeg$eu2$1@newsreader.jvnc.net> Reply-To: swheaton@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: phn-az13-32.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jan 04 8:55:09 PM PST 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10672 Daniel C. Haines wrote: > Temp in hi 60's bees doing great here at Harrisburg Pa. I must throw my 10 cents in. Phoenix, AZ, 70 degrees, and all December they were pulling in pollen. In fact, last week I had to remove honey. Article 10673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!news.dal.ca!news.mtt.net!news-admin From: Greenwood Nursery Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: temperature to kill varroa mite Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:35:59 -0500 Organization: Greenwood Nursery Lines: 10 Message-ID: <34AC1A4E.F7B0F822@glinx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ke-ts3-3.glinx.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10673 A Michael Seifert has a web page in Germany. He says on it that he sells a machine that uses temperature to kill the varroa mite. Apparantly, 40 degrees celsius kills the varroa mite while it does not in fact harm the brood. Does any one know anything about this? It seems to good to be true. Here is his web page http://www.tu-clausthal.de/idw/archiv/all/mail.876314828.28579.html He sells this machine for 1900.00 marks Article 10674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!alnews.ncsc.mil!uunet!in2.uu.net!news-out.communique.net!communique!recycled.news.erols.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: amaznbeast@aol.com (AmaznBeast) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Magazines Date: 5 Jan 1998 05:22:21 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19980105052200.AAA13210@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10674 Are there any good beekeeping mags out there? I am new to this newsgroup, and to beekeeping (really new, don't even have my hives yet). I would really love to subscribe to any magazines that are out there on the subject. If anyone has subscription info and suggestions, please let me know by posting here or Email... Thanks! Article 10675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!not-for-mail From: Werner Leuenberger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Contact wiht beekeepers in Europe / Switzerland Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 10:47:39 +0100 Organization: ComAssisT Lines: 19 Message-ID: <34B0AC3A.CC7DAADD@swissonline.ch> References: <01bd1901$b879e5a0$bea005c1@mcnet.mcnet.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-winterthur1-3.spectraweb.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) To: raphael Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10675 Raphael I'm intrested. Discusion in English or German. I live in Dättnau near to Winterthur. I'm looking forward to hear from you and other swiss beekeepers. Werenr Leueneberger raphael schrieb: > I would appreciate to get in touch with beekeepers in Switzerland or in > Europe. Please let me know who could be interested in such contacts. I > leave in Switzerland, and I'm fluent in french and german as well. > Thank you. > -- > Raphael.Oberson@com.mcnet.ch Article 10676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!209.130.129.134!node2.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Magazines Date: 5 Jan 1998 13:17:05 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 47 Message-ID: <01bd19dc$2a573620$3d9182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <19980105052200.AAA13210@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-47.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10676 AmaznBeast wrote in article <19980105052200.AAA13210@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > Are there any good beekeeping mags out there? I am new to this newsgroup, and > to beekeeping (really new, don't even have my hives yet). I would really love > to subscribe to any magazines that are out there on the subject. If anyone has > subscription info and suggestions, please let me know by posting here or > Email... Thanks! > My personal preference is for "American Bee Journal" put out by Dadant & Sons. American Bee Journal 51 S. 2nd St. Hamilton, IL 62341 In the USA the subscription rates are $17.95 - one year $33.40 - two years $52.95 - three years UNLESS you are a bee club member - they offer a discount to such - check with your bee club for more details and prices. -- Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ "Did you know-- * Every 13 seconds one of America's 70 million gun owners uses a firearm in defense against a criminal? J. Neil Schulman, "Stopping Power: Why 70 Million Americans Own Guns" http://www.pulpless.com/stopower.html Article 10677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.62.16!news-incoming.cyberhighway.net!news.cyberhighway.net!not-for-mail From: "Jeff" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.dean-stark,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.ratite,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: PROPOSAL: alt.agriculture.commities Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 14:28:52 -0700 Organization: CyberHighway Internet Services Lines: 74 Message-ID: <68h1t9$t1n$1@host-3.cyberhighway.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.130.230.9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0103_01BD16C1.958284E0" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:956 alt.agriculture.beef:645 alt.agriculture.fruit:7238 alt.agriculture.misc:9599 alt.agriculture.ratite:321 sci.agriculture:22516 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10677 sci.agriculture.fruit:1373 sci.agriculture.poultry:4110 sci.agriculture.ratites:1067 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0103_01BD16C1.958284E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This has been posted to alt.config, but I'm not getting any response. = Please post your comments. 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------=_NextPart_000_0103_01BD16C1.958284E0-- Article 10678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.62.16!news-incoming.cyberhighway.net!news.cyberhighway.net!not-for-mail From: "Jeff" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.dean-stark,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.ratite,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: PROPOSAL: alt.agriculture.commodities(sorry, typo) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:21:28 -0700 Organization: CyberHighway Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <68h4t7$kf$1@host-3.cyberhighway.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.130.230.10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01BD16C8.EE27D4E0" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:957 alt.agriculture.beef:646 alt.agriculture.fruit:7239 alt.agriculture.misc:9600 alt.agriculture.ratite:322 sci.agriculture:22517 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10678 sci.agriculture.fruit:1374 sci.agriculture.poultry:4111 sci.agriculture.ratites:1068 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01BD16C8.EE27D4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01BD16C8.EE27D4E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01BD16C8.EE27D4E0-- Article 10679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!not-for-mail From: Werner Leuenberger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Contact wiht beekeepers in Europe / Switzerland Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 16:08:13 +0100 Organization: ComAssisT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <34B0F75D.8CBD0BCD@swissonline.ch> References: <01bd1901$b879e5a0$bea005c1@mcnet.mcnet.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-winterthur1-9.spectraweb.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) To: raphael Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10679 Raphael I'm interested. Discusion in English or German. I live in Dättnau near to Winterthur. I'm looking forward to hear from you and other swiss beekeepers. Werner Leueneberger raphael schrieb: > I would appreciate to get in touch with beekeepers in Switzerland or in > Europe. Please let me know who could be interested in such contacts. I > leave in Switzerland, and I'm fluent in french and german as well. > Thank you. > -- > Raphael.Oberson@com.mcnet.ch Article 10680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Wayne Curtis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Following the Bloom Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 06:49:11 +0000 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34B08265.4092@maine.com> Reply-To: curtis@maine.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.254.152.205 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10680 I received an e-mail from jd's honey headquarters re: a book called "Following the Bloom" I'm trying to track down. I wasn't able to reply via e-mail - it kept getting bounced back. I _would_ like to know what store you believed still had a copy on the shelf. Please send info. Thanks, Wayne Article 10681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Gary L. Bradshaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Supplies Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:59:14 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 56 Message-ID: <68r3kv$isq@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.157.29 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01BD19D1.57A78EA0" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10681 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BD19D1.57A78EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GBee's Honey Farm is a mfg. rep. for Dadant, Maxant, Pierce and Everhot = serving the northeast with the best prices in the area. We also truck = bees from York Bee Company for delivery into the area (with pickup at = our farm). Other services include a complete line of supplies for = brewing MEAD, beer and wine and regular classes on beekeeping and = brewing throught the year. =20 We are taking orders now for deliveries of bees on or about April 19th. = We will consider setting up drop points along Interstate 95 for = beekeepers in Virginia, Maryland, Delaware and Pennsylvania. Contact us at gbees@worldnet.att.net ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BD19D1.57A78EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BD19D1.57A78EA0-- Article 10682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsgate.tandem.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:45:55 -0500 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <68r9p3$8k$1@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <34AA762C.96F79742@foxinternet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10682 i winter 500-1000 hives for beekeeps from the north in fla. about 1/3 of these hives were dead when they got here in dec. the mite strips do not work any more. all of these hives had fresh strips in them. the live ones had 15-30 mites on a e-roll. the dead ones looked like yours. Article 10683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.94.128.13!news.javanet.com!not-for-mail From: Richard Bonney Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Following the Bloom Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 13:41:57 +0000 Organization: JavaNet Cafe Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34B0E323.77A1@javanet.com> References: <34B08265.4092@maine.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: armory-us429.javanet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) To: curtis@maine.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10683 The author of "Following the Bloom" is Doug Whynott. Try him for a copy. You may be able to reach him at Bridgeman Lane South Hadley, Mass 01075 I also have a phone number though it may not be current. 413 538-2650 Article 10684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <34AE7C16.23C7@mail.sunlink.net> Subject: Re: Sunflowers as a nectar source Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:22:08 -0500 Lines: 29 Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.117.45 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.117.45 Message-ID: <34b141f8.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!204.216.117.45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10684 In GA, farmers use sunflowers only to attract doves during hunting season so they aren't spraying them. It's an excellent source of pollen and nectar. In the late summer we use these fields for honey production and build up for overwintering. The honey is delicious and you will have plenty of it. It's one of my best sellers. -- Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries Perry, GA USA [Beeman@hom.net] SEE OUR EXHIBIT AT THE GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR IN PERRY, GEORGIA USA OCTOBER 9th thru 18th 1998 Visit us at...[http://www.hom.net/~beeman] george davis wrote in message <34AE7C16.23C7@mail.sunlink.net>... >I am new to beekeeping, and have read about differesnt flowers and the >effect they have on the flavor of the honey associated with them. Does >anybody have experience with sunflowers as a nectar source? I have read >of other members of the Asteraceae being used, but haven't seen anything >about sunflowers. Thanks. Article 10685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com!not-for-mail From: PETER BUSSELL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: follower boards Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:21:27 -0500 Organization: Bell Solutions Lines: 3 Message-ID: <34B15CE7.928@sympatico.ca> Reply-To: peter.bussell@sympatico.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.185.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 884038877 21356 (None) 206.172.185.28 X-Complaints-To: usenet@news20.bellglobal.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01GoldC-SYMPA (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10685 Hi Bkeepers:Can someone tell me (1)what a follower board is and what it is used for and (2) what top board hives are and where I can get information on them. Article 10686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Temp 68 + degrees Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 18:11:11 -0800 Organization: Netcom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <34B192BF.E37@ix.netcom.com> References: <68pbeg$eu2$1@newsreader.jvnc.net> <34B06771.A1050411@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca11-18.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jan 05 6:19:41 PM PST 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10686 Simoun wrote: > > Daniel C. Haines wrote: > > > Temp in hi 60's bees doing great here at Harrisburg Pa. > > I must throw my 10 cents in. Phoenix, AZ, 70 degrees, and all December > they were pulling in pollen. In fact, last week I had to remove honey. Vivian wrote: I'll throw in my 10 cents as well. Here in Walnut Creek, in No. Calif, temps have been mild (50 - 60's) and I too had to remove honey last week. Article 10687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Magazines Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 02:45:53 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <34b19701.111050291@news.earthlink.net> References: <19980105052200.AAA13210@ladder01.news.aol.com> <01bd19dc$2a573620$3d9182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.183.155 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10687 AmaznBeast wrote: > Are there any good beekeeping mags out there? > I am new to this newsgroup, and to beekeeping .... First, I want to say that I think you are beginning beekeeping the RIGHT way: read, then invite yourself out to work bees with a local beekeeper, and after that you will probably be very successful with bees! I "ditto" Jack's recommendation of American Bee Journal. It has a good mix of articles of interest to beginners as well as experienced bekeepers. Their web site is at: http://www.dadant.com/abj.htm Bee Culture is another good magazine. It is somewhat more oriented to hobbiests. In the past it has failed to include reports on some of the subjects discussed in other magazines and on this newsgroup (e.g.; innovative mite treatments), but it is still a good source of info. Their web site is at: http://www.airoot.com/beeculture/index.htm Cheers, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 10688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Temp 68 + degrees Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 20:15:48 -0500 Organization: NorthWest Nexus Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <34B185C4.1535@povn.com> References: <68pbeg$eu2$1@newsreader.jvnc.net> <34B06771.A1050411@ix.netcom.com> <34B192BF.E37@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp222.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10688 Just a quick note to keep ya'all in touch with the real world.:-) Here in NE Wash. state we have been in the 30's during the day and 20's at night. Bees safely tucked away in the root cellar for the winter. Chinook wind sarting up tonight so maybe it will get all the way up to 40 tomorrow? Yeah, right! Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 10689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Temp 68 + degrees Date: 6 Jan 1998 06:57:55 GMT Lines: 26 Message-ID: <19980106065700.BAA03122@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <34B192BF.E37@ix.netcom.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10689 In article <34B192BF.E37@ix.netcom.com>, miel@ix.netcom.com writes: >I'll throw in my 10 cents as well. Here in Walnut Creek, in No. Calif, > temps have been mild (50 - 60's) and I too had to remove honey last week. From South Carolina: Two gorgeous days in lower 70's, then today pushing awful close to 80. Bees are furiously working wild mustard, and look in very nice shape. Had a little robbing during the rainy weather earlier, and the weak ones have been culled. Started spring feeding today. One gallon each, whether they needed it or not. Boy it's good to be out amongst the bees! Been tied up inside with gift sales, holidays, and illness. Illness may have been due to bee venom withdrawal, now that I've got my minimum daily requirement, I'm good to go. BeeVenomJunkie@aol.com (Pollinator@aol.com) Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.sovam.com!sovam!Gamma.RU!srcc!news1.relcom.ru!news.nsk.su!mpeks.tomsk.su!newsserv From: "Vladimir P. Rydzinski" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cedar hives? Date: Tue, 06 Jan 98 15:51:39 +0700 Distribution: world Organization: NO Message-ID: Sender: news-service@mpeks.tomsk.su Reply-To: bees@rvp.tomsk.su Keywords: cedar X-Return-Path: rvp.tomsk.su!bees@rvp.tomsk.su Lines: 9 Mime-Version: 1.