start Article 8774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee skyscraper Date: 30 Jun 1997 23:21:43 -0400 Organization: SunSITE UNC-CH Lines: 16 Message-ID: <5p9t47$fdl@fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu> References: <33B7B93A.5414@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8774 In article <33B7B93A.5414@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman wrote: >How many deep supers can you put on, and how many >should you out on? > >Thank you >Marc The more room a *strong* colony has the more it produces if there is a good flow on. I've got some with six deeps above the brood chamber. Adam -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@sunsite.unc.edu http://www.sunsite.unc.edu/bees Article 8775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!zetnet.co.uk!btnet-feed1!BTInternet!usenet From: "Peter Barrett" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping by Ron Brown - book sought Date: 29 Jun 1997 20:22:23 GMT Organization: BT Internet Message-ID: <01bc84ca$2449ae40$a83563c3@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: host5-99-53-168.btinternet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8775 I am trying to obtain a copy of "Beekeeping - a seasonal guide" by Ron Brown publisher Batsford I think this is now out of print. Any assistance appreciated. Regards, Pete pete.barrett@btinternet.com Article 8776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!europa.clark.net!ais.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!147.81.244.14!newsreader.read.tasc.com!usenet From: Rick Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:33:35 -0500 Organization: TASC, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <33B7FBFE.1DDE@tasc.com> References: <33a8364c.27959467@news.iserv.net> <19970629224500.SAA02690@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: rshough@tasc.com NNTP-Posting-Host: rhough.read.tasc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8776 EShel95313 wrote: [clip] > While I am here, is there an online chat facility for beekeepers around > here anywhere? If you have a Java-enabled web browser, you can use the new chat room set up at http://www.widtech.com/beechat/ It is a new room, so I have not met many folks there - maybe I'm just visiting when everyone else is out foraging...... According to the introductory webpage, there will be a special guest chatting on July 1st - check the URL above for details. Rick Hough, rshough@tasc.com keeping bees just NE of Boston.... Article 8777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!192.108.254.3!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wtb: Extractor - Eugene, OR Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 21:42:55 -0700 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 9 Message-ID: <33B88ACF.2419@teleport.com> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-24.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8777 Hello, I'm intersted in finding an inexpensive used 2 or 4 frame extractor. Thanks, Paul Cauthorn Eugene, OR USA Article 8778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!192.108.254.3!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wtb: bottom boards - Eugene, OR Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 21:44:50 -0700 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 7 Message-ID: <33B88B42.48FA@teleport.com> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-24.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8778 Hello, Does anybody in the Eugene area have any extra bottom boards? Paul Cauthorn Eugene, OR 541-342-7206 Article 8779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Tree Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 20:36:00 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (evaluation) Version 3.02 Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8779 On Friday 27th June, Joe Kent and I were called by the Parks Department, to a colony in a tree that was about to be felled on Abbey Road, (the main road into Barrow). I was late and arrived just as Joe was going up in a crane hoist. The parks gardener had already cut the top off the tree and had missed to comb at the top of the colony by about 3 inches (75mm). There were bees everywhere. The crane lorry was bright yellow, and covered with bees. Joe and the attendant gardener were peering into the hole without benefit of veils or any protective wear. After much discussion on where to place the bottom cut, and whether to split the trunk open, the bole was cut through about three feet lower down, Again not missing the bees by much. Looking up into the bottom of the hole, the bees were in a cluster about the size of a football. Naturally, we couldn't see how far up the hole the cluster went although there were bees on the top comb. After lowering the section of trunk onto their wagon, the Parks Dept, delivered it to Joe's home - fortunately not far away. This was preferred to splitting it on the site and having the public worried by all the bees that would suddenly become homeless. The log has now become a ‘hive’ and has a super placed above it for the large docile colony to fill. It is not known how long they had been in the tree, but the nest was certainly a lage one. From the whiteness of the comb, it could be a swarm from earlier in the year. -- Tom Speight Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/ Article 8780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.icanect.net!pandora.digitaladvantage.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-in.iadfw.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeChat Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 09:58:19 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5B97840CA96EC7E4.4A948A2AD297C3D0.EF5B84646C0B8FAF@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <5parsk$7mn@library.airnews.net> References: <33B8CCD0.579F@his.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal13-30.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8780 John Alexander wrote: > you will >need to have a 32 bit operating system (Win 95, OS/2, UNIX, etc) and a >java enabled browser That should help to keep all us "riff-raft" with only 16 bit machines outta yore hair... 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Article 8782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-in.iadfw.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 08:46:12 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 8 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <5p9kqh$ufu@library.airnews.net> References: <19970630135701.JAA14932@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Host: gw2-ppp71.its.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8782 dianajudd@aol.com (DianaJudd) wrote: >Please could you advise me on the healing properties of honey as. What >specific illness or allergies is it good for? Honey is a food (only). Article 8783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!204.71.16.13!newsfeed.sover.net!not-for-mail From: "Samuel Allen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Some thoughts on pathogens Date: 1 Jul 1997 13:56:47 GMT Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <01bc8626$3cb67140$724219ce@Whatever.sover.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm0a14.mid.sover.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1160 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8783 Some Thoughts About Pathogens: Both American and European Foulbrood are bacteria. Nosema apis is a protozoan. Sacbrood is a virus, and Chalkbrood is a fungus. What about Grapefruit seed extract? It is a proven anti- protozoan, anti-viral, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, and it is non-toxic, quickly biodegradable, and is effective in extremely low concentrations. I feel extremely confident that GSE will help, and MAYBE it's the answer to the question of survival for honey bees. What I don't know is the best method for delivery. Spray the hive all over with a dilute liquid? Make powder form available to bees? Make a sweetened patty as is currently done with teramycin? The liquid concentrate retains a somewhat bitter, citrus flavor, even when diluted. It probably should not be applied during honey flow for that reason. I would like to have some help from a few experienced beekeepers. What do you think? Thanks. Article 8784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.232.174.12!node2.frontiernet.net!news.his.com!news3.his.com!usenet From: John Alexander Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BeeChat Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 05:24:32 -0400 Organization: Heller Information Services, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <33B8CCD0.579F@his.com> Reply-To: jdalexa@his.com NNTP-Posting-Host: jdalexa.his.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8784 A reminder to all that tonight, 1 July 97 at 8:00 PM EST, BeeChat will host Dr. Pedro Rodriguez. Dr. Rodrigues recently published his findings on research into the use of mineral oil for the control of Varroa mites. BeeChat is a real-time java-based chat program and as such, you will need to have a 32 bit operating system (Win 95, OS/2, UNIX, etc) and a java enabled browser (Netscape, Internet Explorer). Join BeeChat and Dr. Rodrigues tonight at 8:00 PM EST. http://www.widtech.com/beechat/ Article 8785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Some thoughts on pathogens Date: 1 Jul 1997 18:09:40 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 22 Message-ID: <5pbh54$an4$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <01bc8626$3cb67140$724219ce@Whatever.sover.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8785 In article <01bc8626$3cb67140$724219ce@Whatever.sover.net>, Samuel Allen wrote: >I feel extremely confident that GSE will help, and MAYBE it's the answer to >the >question of survival for honey bees. Perhaps, but what if it's toxic to insects? Test it on a small colony and see what it does to the bees. Observe their behavior, and if they seem non the worse, maybe test more colonies. How will you figure out active ingredient/hive concentration? What is the active ingredient in GSE that is so effective? Maybe that should be tested too? Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 8786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!in3.uu.net!194.162.162.196!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!bellman.NSD.3Com.COM!news.erg.sri.com!news.sri.com!hplabs!hplntx!cello.hpl.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!hird From: hird@fc.hp.com (Steve Hird) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Problem Date: 1 Jul 1997 14:03:42 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site Lines: 33 Message-ID: <5pb2nu$fbn@fcnews.fc.hp.com> Reply-To: hird@fc.hp.REMOVE.com NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.fc.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.10] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8786 I need some help with a bee problem. I live along the Colorado front range, and am new to bee keeping. I got some bees nine weeks ago. Mail order package bees. At five weeks things looked good. Queen laying in a good pattern, about one 10" frame worth of sealed worker brood. At six weeks most of the the brood had been born. Now at nine weeks very little sealed brood just a few drone cells here and there and about 1/3 of my bee population is drones. The overall worker bee population is down significantly. I searched the hive (mid day when the workers were out) and could not find the queen. Does this mean the queen is a drone layer or did the hive maybe swarm, and leave about half the bees behind? The only reason I can think of for them having swarmed is starvation, as overcrowding was not even close. I can't guess if there is good forage material because we live on the edge of the foothills and there is a great degree of biodiversity (always something in bloom but never lots of it). I fed them syrup all the time except for about a one week period around the six week after I got them when they went for a week with out much syrup. The queen seemed to start OK. I ordered a new queen. This is my only hive so I can't supplement the new queen with new brood. Will the new queen be accepted? How should I ensure that the old queen is gone? Thanks in Advance. Steve Hird Article 8787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: smokey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Royal Jelly Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 14:10:29 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 3 Message-ID: <33B97245.595E@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: goomba@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.116.35.60 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8787 What is Royal Jelly? How do you go about getting it out of the Hive? Just wondering!! Article 8788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!purdue!news.bu.edu!ppp-95-21.bu.edu!user From: iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) X-Sender: anncat@bu.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm & Queen Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 22:04:14 -0500 Organization: ira_seskin@bmugbos.org Lines: 50 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-95-21.bu.edu Reply-To: anncat@bu.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8788 Strange season, not that I have had any other to compare it to. My bees swarmed. I guess they didnt like their new home, all the good treats I provided, fresh water etc. Anyway , I didnt think I could do it, but I captured the swarm. Queen with it. Problem is, she got..er.. underfoot while I was transporting the branch. Real underfoot. Squashed by my Rebock's underfoot. I dumped them back into my hive ( I only have one, and didnt expect then to swarm in their first few months when starting with package bees) quickly added two supers to give the bees more room, and they have decided to stay for now, no doubt because they were queenless. Do I buy a new queen, or let them do the work, or does anyone think they wouldn't have left unless there were some queen cells already started? Local beekeepers told me to leave the hive ..er... be ( bee?) for a few weeks. Local Bee Inspector ( real friendly and helpful said the same thing on the phone and said in a couple of weeks he willl come over my house and open the hive and check it for a new queen. Should I wait? Thoughts? -I- -- /| __ / | ,-~ / Y :| // / | jj /( .^ >-"~"-v" /^ ^ Y /o o | ( ~T~ j >._-' _./ I'm / "~" | Having A Bad Y _, | HARE /| ;-"~ _ l Day / l/ ,-"~ \ \//\/ .- \ Y / Y > ) l I ! > ]\ _\ /"\ (" ~----( ~ Y. ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ->Bugs the Wonder Bunny<- ira_seskin@bmugbos.org (e- mail only... no attachments) iraseski@xensei.com (e-mail when sending attachements) http://www.xensei.com/users/iraseski "Live Free or Die" Article 8789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!chi-news.cic.net!207.33.1.6!news.he.net!news.rain.net!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Royal Jelly Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 21:46:47 -0700 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 24 Message-ID: <33B9DD37.4F21@teleport.com> References: <33B97245.595E@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-14.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) To: goomba@worldnet.att.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8789 smokey wrote: > > What is Royal Jelly? How do you go about getting it out of the Hive? > > Just wondering!! From what I've gathered from talking to Dr. Burgett and reading a couple references, royal jelly is collected from the hives through a process similar to queen rearing. I'm sure I probably missing a few details, so I'd appreciate any corrections. Royal jelly, a substance excreted from worker bees heads, is a substance fed to the queen larvae. Queenless colonies are given frames of grafted queen cells. After 4 days these frames of cells are removed and the royal jelly is sucked out of the cells. The frames are then regrafted and then replaced in the hives. Burgett says that it requires 3 to 5 colonies to maintain one royal jelly colony in constant production. The process is very labor intensive. I would really like to hear from someone who is actually involved in the production of royal jelly. Paul Cauthorn Eugene, OR Article 8790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: "OLd Drone" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hornets Attack Boy Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 21:32:17 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 35 Message-ID: <5pclnb$pga$1@zinger.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n3-102-166.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8790 Killer Bee News, this time it's hornets and not our honeybees. http://www,msnbc.com/localWTVJ/6.htm Out here on the left coast the FOX network is running a killer honeybee flick. Tried to watch it but after about ten I had my limit and opt out for PBS special on how we stole all the water from the Colorado River by building Hover Dam and sending the water to LA. Maybe its time we follow the leadership of the Brits and gave California back to Spain, at least half of todays population would share a almost common language and they could turn the clock back and dry up the land by releasing all the water in our dams into the rivers for the benifit of all nature, less man... My own bet is that it would matter not who we gave California to they would soon build more dams to grow bigger cities and more crops. Its only in California USA that the main irrigation pumps are shut down because last year about 70 two inch Smelt, (a small fish that is food for bigger fish), were sucked into the pump screens and resulted in killing 20 or so over the limit allowed by the EPA. Since the pumps were not shut down last year they were this year, the result 10% less water for irrigation of crops already planted. This year less then the 50 allowable Smelt were killed by the three humungus pumps that stand idle during the peak of the irrigation season. The government cares so much for doing whats right about Smelt its just too bad they would not do the same for our honeybees that contine to be slatered by the millions each day by the regulated, legal, misuse of pesticides blessed by the EPA and protected by everyone in goverment from the top to the lowest paid grunt.. ttul, the OLd Drone beta test of Compose by NetScape IMHO, Opinions are just that... Article 8791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: n4ssd@aol.com (N4ssd) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm & Queen Date: 2 Jul 1997 05:11:56 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: <19970702051101.BAA21078@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8791 In article , iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) writes: >Do I buy a new queen, or let them do the work, or does anyone think they >wouldn't have left unless there were some queen cells already started? >Local beekeepers told me to leave the hive ..er... be ( bee?) for a few >weeks. If it were me, and I had access to a fresh new queen...I think I would requeen as soon as I could. If the hive does indeed have queen cells, the queenless bees may raise their own queen, and so your friends advice to wait could work. There will probably be several different opinions on this as well as approaches. But if it were my hive, I would purchase a new queen and install asap. Good luck with your bees! Fred B. Hembree, Jr. n4ssd@aol.com Article 8792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hornets Attack Boy Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 22:30:46 -0700 Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <5pclnb$pga$1@zinger.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n1-103-51.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v1.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8792 In article <5pclnb$pga$1@zinger.callamer.com>, andy.nachbaur@calwest.net says... > Killer Bee News, this time it's hornets and not our honeybees. > correction: http://www.msnbc.com/local/WTVJ/6.htm > http://www,msnbc.com/localWTVJ/6.htm > > > Article 8793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hornets Attack Boy Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 23:18:14 -0700 Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <5pclnb$pga$1@zinger.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n1-103-51.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v1.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8793 In article , andy.nachbaur@calwest.net says... > In article <5pclnb$pga$1@zinger.callamer.com>, andy.nachbaur@calwest.net > says... > > Killer Bee News, this time it's hornets and not our honeybees. > > > correction: > > http://www.msnbc.com/local/WTVJ/6.htm > > > http://www,msnbc.com/localWTVJ/6.htm Better yet, correction on correction: http://www.msnbc.com/local/WTVJ/11.HTM Sorry about that, but perfection is not in my natural order of things. Article 8794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp.sprintmail.com!nntp.sprintmail.com!news@sprintmail.com From: Jon Iverson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Problem Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 04:16:16 -0700 Organization: Poulsbo, Washington - "Little Norway" Lines: 85 Message-ID: <33BA3880.288F@sprintmail.com> References: <5pb2nu$fbn@fcnews.fc.hp.com> Reply-To: joniverson@sprintmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ts-006wapoulp15.dialsprint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) To: hird@fc.hp.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8794 Steve Hird wrote: > > I need some help with a bee problem. > > I live along the Colorado front range, and am new to bee keeping. I > got some bees nine weeks ago. Mail order package bees. > > At five weeks things looked good. Queen laying in a good pattern, > about one 10" frame worth of sealed worker brood. > > At six weeks most of the the brood had been born. > > Now at nine weeks very little sealed brood just a few drone cells here and > there and about 1/3 of my bee population is drones. The overall > worker bee population is down significantly. > I searched the hive (mid day when the workers were out) and could not find > the queen. > Does this mean the queen is a drone layer or did the hive maybe swarm, and > leave about half the bees behind? The only reason I can think of for them > having swarmed is starvation, as overcrowding was not even close. I can't > guess if there is good forage material because we live on the edge of the > foothills and there is a great degree of biodiversity (always something in > bloom but never lots of it). I fed them syrup all the time except > for about a one week period around the six week after I got them when > they went for a week with out much syrup. > The queen seemed to start OK. I ordered a new queen. > This is my only hive so I can't supplement the new queen with new brood. > Will the new queen be accepted? How should I ensure that the old queen > is gone? > > Thanks in Advance. > > Steve Hird Swarming will reduce the population and if I suspected I had a drone layer, I would re-queen. You should get a new hatch every 21 days. Some queens can be hard to find but you must find her if you are going to re-queen. Just look for the area the she has been laying. She won't be on the capped brood and there is a saying around here that "a queen won't walk across honey". She will be close to where the fresh eggs have been layed. Be sure to check the first couple frames and set them on the ground leaning against something and don't let the one you check get close to the ones you haven't checked yet or she may run to a checked frame. If you have two brood boxes, check the top one first and then check the bottom one. I just went thru a re-queening on two hives. No assurance that it will work 100% of the time by anyone. I was successful this time on the two hives I did. I used liberal (not excessive) smoke. Assasinated the old queens and removed them from the area. Placed the queen cages between the brood frames in the lower hive body. You may have to remove one frame to get it in. I had an outer frame in each hive that wasn't drawn out and I just set in on the ground leaning against its respective hive until I could put it back in. Be sure the candy plug can be accessed by the workers in the hive. Be patient ! The worker bees will eat the candy out and release the queen. I may take them 24 - 36 hrs to do it but let them do it even if it takes 48 hrs. One other school of thought is to squash the old queen and smear her on the new queen cage. This will mask the new queen's scent and make her more acceptable. I did it without doing the later. It is said that the older the bees, the larger the population, the less likely the hive will accept the new queen. Both my hives were new packages this year (April) but they got nasty attitudes for some reason. In just one week, the new queens have already calmed both hives down. Be sure to vent your hives if it gets too warm. Here ib the Puget Sound area, we can vent all year. You can make a shallow box to fit on top of your hive bodies or supers (1x3 or 1x4) and drill a hole to put a 1" house vent (siding vent) in the back side (opposite the entrance) and then if it gets real cold in the winter, remove it for the winter. The vent will reduce one of the reasons for swarming. Good Luck Hope this gets to you. I assume I need to take out the REMOVE in your email address. Article 8795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!fluidcontrol.demon.co.uk!fluidcontrol.demon.co.uk!Clayton From: Clayton Smith Newsgroups: alt.non.sequitur,alt.tv.simpsons,alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy,soc.culture.mexican,soc.culture.mexican.american,soc.culture.spain,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.music.korn,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,alt.fan.ok-soda,alt.genius.bill-palmer Subject: What bumblebee are we talking about? Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 18:37:07 +0100 Organization: Civacon-OPW Distribution: world Message-ID: <1KuXRKBDHpuzIwre@fluidcontrol.demon.co.uk> References: <5ocjt2$24e@news.enter.net> <33c2d5aa.11853803@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: fluidcontrol.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: fluidcontrol.demon.co.uk [194.222.221.91] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <5KoCwp8X5vsH4kTvzYrR2js3bn> Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.non.sequitur:16676 alt.tv.simpsons:175154 alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy:3831 soc.culture.mexican:82537 soc.culture.mexican.american:26132 soc.culture.spain:150978 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8795 alt.music.korn:1477 alt.fan.karl-malden.nose:67371 alt.fan.ok-soda:3727 In article , Martin Bulmer writes >In article <33c2d5aa.11853803@news.enter.net>, Phil Oliver AMBLOCKbiosys.net> writes >>On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:09:21 -0400, Clint Walsh >> wrote: >> >>>He already has his own show on Channel Ocho. >> >>I don't get Channel Ocho. >> >>-Phil Oliver >>----- >>"I'm mean if you going to be hypocrite like the rest of us >>just admit you posturing potser." - Ruwan Jayatilleke, in >> > >I don't get Channel Ocho. I don't get any channels. I'm in England! HAHAHAHAHAHAH...a -- Clayton Smith (Encore on IRC) Clayton@fluidcontrol.demon.co.uk Whoever gave us opinions caused a lot of aggravation... Article 8796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news From: toltec@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Royal Jelly Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 14:16:09 +0100 Organization: Netcom Lines: 62 Message-ID: <33BA5499.3E8F@ix.netcom.com> References: <33B97245.595E@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <33B9DD37.4F21@teleport.com> Reply-To: toltec@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lax-ca24-06.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jul 02 2:21:17 PM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) To: pbc@teleport.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8796 > > What is Royal Jelly? How do you go about getting it out of the Hive? > > Just wondering!! > From http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/3872/ Royal Jelly Royal jelly is a glandular secretion of young workers that is placed in queen cells as a food for larval queens. It is called royal jelly because it is the sole food of queen larvae. It appears that the composition of royal jelly remains relatively constant over different colonies, bee strains and time. Some variations can occur as a result of nutritional and age conditions of the secreting worker bees, and care of collection/care of storage of the royal jelly. The components with greatest variations in gross composition are probably the sugars, mainly because workers add different amounts of sugar to royal jelly depending upon the age of the queen larva. Vitamins are present in royal jelly in varying amounts. Levels of the B vitamins in royal jelly are generally high. Otherwise vitamins are in low to very low levels. A wide variety of health and cosmetic properties have been attributed to royal jelly over the years. Nevertheless, no well designed controlled medical studies have demonstrated therapeutic effects for royal jelly. The most promising antibacterial and textural potential for royal jelly are as a topical cream with both cosmetic and antimicrobial action. Royal jelly also has potential as a dietary ingredient in both human foods and for animals. Royal jelly is usually produced in colonies maintained for that purpose. The queen is removed and a frame containing artificial queen cells, each with a 12-36 hour old worker larva is inserted. Three days later the frame is removed, the larvae discarded and the royal jelly collected either with a wooden spoon or a soft suction tube. A good queen cup will yield about 200-300 mg of royal jelly. Once collected the royal jelly can be stored in a tight container in the refrigerator for several months, frozen or freeze dried until used. The main markets in the U.S. and Europe for royal jelly are the cosmetic industry which uses royal jelly in moisturizing and skin cream as well as a variety of other products, and the health food market. The antibacterial, cleansing and textural properties of royal jelly likely account for its popularity in cosmetics. In the health food market royal jelly is often added as a supplement to other ingredients and vitamins which can be taken either as capsules, as parts of beverages, in confectionaries or mixed with honey as a spread. Royal jelly has a much larger market in Asia than in the U.S. or Europe. In Asia it is commonly found in products including cosmetics, food supplements and beverages and is used in the medical profession. In the U.S., royal jelly can be purchased for about US$6 per ounce (28 g) in 2 ounce containers. This adds up to about US$214 per kg. The largest producers of royal jelly are China, Japan and Korea. Annual production levels in China have been 220-360 metric tonnes. However, it can expected that the production levels in China have increased as a result of a huge increase in the production of honey and other products of the hive. Japan is both a large producer and importer of royal jelly. Article 8797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!in3.uu.net!128.230.129.112!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kiva.net!not-for-mail From: mbenton@ansel.intersource.com (Mark Benton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help me identify odd bee Date: 3 Jul 1997 01:50:06 GMT Organization: Kiva Networking Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5pf0ge$o3o$1@gretle.intersource.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: xyplex1-2-11.kiva.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8797 Are there any good resources on the net to help one indentify and learn about bees? I have some burrowing bees in my back yard, they are small, about honey-bee sized, mostly black and yellow, abdomen kind of flat. They happened to nest right under my 10 month olds swing, and I need to know if they could be dangerous to him. thanks, Mark Benton mbenton@kiva.net mbenton@harman.com Article 8798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic foundation Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:57:00 GMT Message-ID: <9707021950292124@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <5hc6br$a72@nntp.pe.net> Lines: 71 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8798 FYI* Another view on plastic foundation. ---------------------------------------- From: Tim Townsend Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 14:50:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Plastic foundation Organization: TPLR Honey Farms Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > MG>From: Mark Goodwin > >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:10:07 +1200 > >Subject: Plastic foundation > >Organization: HortResearch,Ruakura,NZ > > MG>Does anyone have a reference for a scientific paper comparing the > >performance of plastic foundation and wax foundation. > > Hello Mark, > > I am sure that there are some and hope someone will forward them to you. > > But from experience in beekeeping testing, and most beekeepers this area > use rigid plastic foundations not because it is more better for the bees > but because it is stronger and holds up well with mechanical uncapping > machines and very fast radial extractors, and is not labor intensive to > install in the wooden frames. Anyway in beekeeper field testing the bees > always preferred wax foundation over wax covered plastic film > foundations, or rigid plastic foundations with or without bees wax > coatings. All one has to do is put on foundation during a honey flow > with the wax foundations, and the plastic together to see the > difference. > Andy; I had to respond to this post as I don't agree with it :), not because I am the Canadian dealer for Pierco, but because I am a beekeeper and have been using plastic for about five years now, in large amounts, we also talk to alot of beekeepers here in Canada and abroad that use plastic foundation or one piece units, and the general concenses is that as long as the bees are in good shape and on a flow they draw out the plastic very well, even in side by side tests ( done by two agriculture field men in Alberta and British Columbia) the results do NOT show a preference for wax over plastic. Some of the advantages of plastic over wax are: 1. Removal of undesired comb, ie. drone or intermediary, is possible without damaging the frame. 2. The queens lay in the plastic sooner than the wax (I don't know why)but we have seen it as have others, the first frames of brood in the spring are nine times out of ten on the plastic frames. 3. Can remove the old wax and end up with a totally new reusable frame, (would be quite benificial in Europe now with the wax being tainted). 4. More cell space per frame ( pierco one piece units) nine frames can equal ten. 5. Stand up much better to the extracing, moving, wax moth, mice, beekeepers, and even bears. 6. Also with the one piece units the frames are the exact size, so all the equipment is the same, unlike wood frames which you know come in a wide variety of sizes. 7. Ease of assemblage and storability, not damaged if you are unable to use them this season. They don't do everything, but they are an improvement over wood, especially for the commercial operator. I also believe that even the hobbiest's would be surprised and happy with them in there hives. But like excluders, they aren't for everybody. Tim Townsend Stony Plain AB Canada --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://194.112.46.22/public/default.htm (Amigabee BBS) Article 8800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!131.103.1.114!chi-news.cic.net!robin.theramp.net!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help me identify odd bee Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 21:28:57 +0000 Organization: Birkey.Com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <33BAC819.7D1A@birkey.com> References: <5pf0ge$o3o$1@gretle.intersource.com> Reply-To: barry@birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: nap-ip-124.theramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) To: Mark Benton Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8800 Mark Benton wrote: > > Are there any good resources on the net to help one indentify and learn > about bees? I have some burrowing bees in my back yard, they are small, > about honey-bee sized, mostly black and yellow, abdomen kind of flat. > They happened to nest right under my 10 month olds swing, and I need to > know if they could be dangerous to him. > > thanks, > > Mark Benton > > mbenton@kiva.net > mbenton@harman.com > > Look at: http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/general/ under yellow jackets. -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com Article 8801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BeeChat Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 02:46:00 GMT Message-ID: <9707021950292125@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <33B8CCD0.579F@his.com> Lines: 68 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8801 JA>From: John Alexander >Subject: BeeChat GOOD TIME had by all in spite of a few technical problems. Hope to see more of these scheduled CHATS. Dr. Rodriguez did a good job answering questions on his work with MO and Varroa. One BEE BYTE of NEWS passed on by a LA beekeeper, (not LA Calif.) was that the Russian bees (queens) have invaded the United States and are being kept at a secret base on a island off the coast of LA. Well maybe it is a just a quarantine station or something... It is hoped this new genetic material from Eastern Europe will add varroa resistance to our bees as they are reported to kill all but 10% more or less of their varroa. Lots of ruck, but one has to really be a believer that the varroa mites themselves are or can kill off hives full of healthy bees and that has never been demonstrated by beekeepers or science and if it is a combination of conditions linked with one or more virus and other environmental concerns then bees that can tolerate 10% varroa will be no less subject to traumatic collapse sooner or later. But we all should welcome new stock in any case as even a small addition to the honeybee gene base in America is better then nothing but I fear that a few or a few hundred hand picked by any beekeeper or a closed group of beekeepers will prove to be no more that what the USDA Bee Research has given us in the past. All should remember the experience of the Brazilian beekeepers with African Bees imported by one of the top graduates of the University of California Beekeeping school under the best scientific controls. I don't believe this would have happened if many real experienced beekeepers were allowed to pick their own stock. Not to say the judgement of many can not be faulty but I can assure you that a real queen breeders looks at stock selection a lot different then the scientist and does it every day of the bee season and not just on expense paid vacation trips to Timbuktu. It is about time that like Canada we in the USA open our boarders to greater bee importations and try to get a step ahead of nature who everyday is providing us with new genetic material from south of our own boarders. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. JA>A reminder to all that tonight, 1 July 97 at 8:00 PM EST, BeeChat will >host Dr. Pedro Rodriguez. Dr. Rodrigues recently published his findings >on research into the use of mineral oil for the control of Varroa mites. JA>BeeChat is a real-time java-based chat program and as such, you will >need to have a 32 bit operating system (Win 95, OS/2, UNIX, etc) and a >java enabled browser (Netscape, Internet Explorer). JA>Join BeeChat and Dr. Rodrigues tonight at 8:00 PM EST. JA>http://www.widtech.com/beechat/ --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Let the honey flow!!!!! Article 8802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!max1-np-ca-07.earthlink.net!user From: paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: shipping a hive and bees from CA to MN Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 22:57:25 -0700 Organization: Electronic Imaging Systems, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: max1-np-ca-07.earthlink.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8802 Hi, My neighbor, who is also a beekeper, is moving from California to Minnesota. The movers estimator told him he could ship the beehive with the furniture, but the driver says the closed trailer will get too hot going across the desert, and my freind's wife put the whammy on his idea to screen up the hive and carry it in the back of the family van. The hive is now in my yard and I'm going to try to box the bees and ship them by the US postal service, and send the empty hive (two 10 inch brood chambers) via UPS. What are the packaging requirements for shipping live bees? Also, how can I get all the adult bees out of the hive into a package? Paul Article 8803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!192.108.254.3!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: shipping a hive and bees from CA to MN Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 06:08:49 -0700 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 36 Message-ID: <33BBA461.1C9C@teleport.com> References: Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-09.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) To: Paul Nicholson Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8803 Hi, I'm sure your friend is pretty attached to his colony, but you might consider the option of selling the colony. Once he's in MN, he could purchase one locally. Otherwise, he's going to end up with a very stressed out colony. One way of caging the bees would be the use of a bee vacuum. I think it's the May issue of Bee Culture that has plans for this. I think the biggest problem will be the unattended brood left in the brood chamber. There's also going to brood emerging along the way. Your local postmaster can give you all the requirements for mailing. Please keep us updated. Good Luck, Paul Cauthorn Paul Nicholson wrote: > > Hi, > > My neighbor, who is also a beekeper, is moving from California to > Minnesota. The movers estimator told him he could ship the beehive with > the furniture, but the driver says the closed trailer will get too hot > going across the desert, and my freind's wife put the whammy on his idea > to screen up the hive and carry it in the back of the family van. The hive > is now in my yard and I'm going to try to box the bees and ship them by > the US postal service, and send the empty hive (two 10 inch brood > chambers) via UPS. > > What are the packaging requirements for shipping live bees? Also, how can > I get all the adult bees out of the hive into a package? > > Paul Article 8804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Problem Date: 3 Jul 1997 10:50:23 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 32 Message-ID: <5pg05f$pns$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <5pb2nu$fbn@fcnews.fc.hp.com> <33BA3880.288F@sprintmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8804 In article <33BA3880.288F@sprintmail.com>, Jon Iverson wrote: > >One other school of thought is to squash the old queen and smear her on >the new queen cage. This will mask the new queen's scent and make her >more acceptable. I did it without doing the later. A bee's capacity to perceive pheromones is amazing! They are sensitive to some pheromones at the nanogram level, maybe even picogram level--that's very very small! Squashing a laying queen on a new queen's cage, although seemingly logical, is probably not a good thing to do. You would be applying all the pheromonal materials to the queen cage all at once. By overloading the bee's receptor sites you might be cue-ing alarm behavior, rather than acceptance. Who knows? I'd remove the old queen (in a requeen ) and then install the new queen, in her cage. In a hive ready for a new queen, I remove all the candy and place a single sheet of newspaper over the cage hole, held on by an elastic band. In a colony that has been queenless for awhile, or is on the verge of something nasty (laying worker) I give the colony brood, then then introduce a caged queen on the brood using a push-in cage. A regular USA wood mailing cage will work okay too; the advantage to the push-in cage is that the brood emerging from the comb will immediately accept the queen. With allies in the new colony she'll be accepted much more readily. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 8805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!csir.uni.net.za!wits.uni.net.za!news.puk.ac.za!usenet From: aa Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Prepromelittin cDNA Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 15:43:00 -0700 Organization: University of Potchefstroom Lines: 5 Message-ID: <33BC2AF4.A13@cool.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bchfjm.puk.ac.za Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8805 Does anybody know where I could get hold of cDNA of the prepromelittin gene of Apis mellifera ? Please email me at bchncgvp@puknet.puk.ac.za. Any help would be greatly appreciated . Nico Gey van Pittius Article 8806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!news.inc.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!EU.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp.sprintmail.com!nntp.sprintmail.com!news@sprintmail.com From: Jon Iverson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen excluders, can they be too small? Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 08:45:49 -0700 Organization: Poulsbo, Washington - "Little Norway" Lines: 16 Message-ID: <33BBC92D.1B10@sprintmail.com> References: <33BBAE0C.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> Reply-To: joniverson@sprintmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ts-005wapoulp02.dialsprint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) To: Randy Nessler Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8806 Randy Nessler wrote: > > I installed supers on three hives on June 12, with a queen excluder > between the super and the brood chamber. Last night I opened the hives > for a look, and there was no activity in the supers (no comb being > drawn, and very few bees present in the super). These are first year > hives, so I guess they might not be ready, though one hive has both deep > brood chambers in production. The bees are three banded Italians, and > I've never seen different sized openings offered for the queen excluder, > so I guess I just need to be patient? > -- > Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu > Views expressed are my own. Let them draw out the comb and then put in the excluder. The eggs the queen lays in the super will hatch and be replaced with honey. Article 8807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!128.255.40.11!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From: Randy Nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen excluders, can they be too small? Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 08:50:04 -0500 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 11 Message-ID: <33BBAE0C.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8807 I installed supers on three hives on June 12, with a queen excluder between the super and the brood chamber. Last night I opened the hives for a look, and there was no activity in the supers (no comb being drawn, and very few bees present in the super). These are first year hives, so I guess they might not be ready, though one hive has both deep brood chambers in production. The bees are three banded Italians, and I've never seen different sized openings offered for the queen excluder, so I guess I just need to be patient? -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Views expressed are my own. Article 8808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!gatech!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd.cv.hp.com!hplabs!hplntx!cello.hpl.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!hird From: hird@fc.hp.com (Steve Hird) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Problem Date: 3 Jul 1997 13:46:50 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site Lines: 28 Message-ID: <5pgaga$s9f@fcnews.fc.hp.com> References: <5pb2nu$fbn@fcnews.fc.hp.com> <33BA3880.288F@sprintmail.com> Reply-To: hird-at-fc.hp.com NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.fc.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.10] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8808 Jon Iverson (joniverson@sprintmail.com) wrote: : Swarming will reduce the population and if I suspected I had a drone : layer, I would re-queen. You should get a new hatch every 21 days. I gave up looking for her and assume she must be dead/gone. There is no sign of the bees trying to re-queen and there is maybe ten or so capped drone brood cells and a couple of larva, both signs that the queen was present not too long ago. : Some queens can be hard to find but you must find her if you are going : to re-queen. Just look for the area the she has been laying. She won't : be on the capped brood and there is a saying around here that "a queen : won't walk across honey". She will be close to where the fresh eggs have I am not sure if there are any eggs. Are they an orange colored paste in the bottom of a cell or is that just pollen? : Hope this gets to you. I assume I need to take out the REMOVE in your : email address. Sorry for the confusion I forgot that my email was broken were I posted from. Thanks for your help Steve Hird hird@lvld.hp.com Article 8809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!paladin.american.edu!news.jhu.edu!boingo.amil.jhu.edu!news.his.com!news3.his.com!usenet From: John Alexander Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BeeChat Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 21:46:22 -0400 Organization: Heller Information Services, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <33B9B2EE.50DE@widtech.com> Reply-To: jdalexa@widtech.com NNTP-Posting-Host: jdalexa.his.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8809 All, The first forum of BeeChat, featuring Dr. Pedro Rodriguez went tolerably well considering the problems with the chat server. I appologize for these difficulties and hope to have them resolved for the next BeeChat session. A transcript of the session (edited for readibility and pertinance) will be availablein a day or so from the BeeChat homepage at: http://www.widtech.com/beechat/ Thank you, Dr. Rodriguez for your time and everyone for bearing with the difficulties. John Alexander WIDTECH Article 8810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in1.uu.net!128.255.40.11!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From: Randy Nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen excluders, can they be too small? Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:47:31 -0500 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 24 Message-ID: <33BBC993.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> References: <33BBAE0C.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> <33BBC92D.1B10@sprintmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8810 Jon Iverson wrote: > > Randy Nessler wrote: > > > > I installed supers on three hives on June 12, with a queen excluder > > between the super and the brood chamber. Last night I opened the hives > > for a look, and there was no activity in the supers (no comb being > > drawn, and very few bees present in the super). These are first year > > hives, so I guess they might not be ready, though one hive has both deep > > brood chambers in production. The bees are three banded Italians, and > > I've never seen different sized openings offered for the queen excluder, > > so I guess I just need to be patient? > > -- > > Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu > > Views expressed are my own. > > Let them draw out the comb and then put in the excluder. The eggs the > queen lays in the super will hatch and be replaced with honey. Such an easy answer! A big DUHH for me. Thanks for the excellent advice. -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Views expressed are my own. Article 8811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Kathy E. Gill" Subject: Re: Ag News & Information X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e837151.rtn.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: <33BC08C4.1CCF@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Reply-To: kathy.gill@boeing.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: keg Organization: DCAC/MRM References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 20:17:08 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Lines: 93 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:20571 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8811 sci.agriculture.fruit:926 sci.agriculture.poultry:2977 sci.agriculture.ratites:863 Robert Georgantas wrote: > > Announcing the SCIENCE GUIDE. > http://www.scienceguide.com > > A New Internet Directory and Information Service run by Scientists and for > Scientists and Physicians. 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Gill DCAC/MRM Business Process Information Team PHONE 234.2004 FAX 234.2820, MS 6X-JT http://www.dotparagon.com/ Article 8812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: VARROA, (started as cell size) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 22:03:00 GMT Message-ID: <9707031839432127@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 85 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8812 FYI* RIPed off the BeeList. ---------------------------------------- RD>From: Richard Drutchas >Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 07:21:56 +0000 >Subject: cell size >Organization: Bee Haven Honey RD>Early on I was hearing that AHB was more tolerant to varroa now Im >hearing that its varroa that is holding AHB back in southern Texas. How >about it is varroa killing feral AHB in Brazil? Hello Richard, Varroa has not disappeared from any area of the world they have been reported in, as far as I have read, or heard. Some areas such as Brazil and other SA location have varroa but they are not reported to be a problem to hivebees or their feral offspring. They appear to reach a certain level in the honeybee populations, (maybe 10%), and co exists with their honeybee hosts. Some say this is because they are different, but the damage and vector they provide for other pathogens is the same if they were made in Japan or Eastern Europe. I have long suspected that the right kind of sales promotion of chemical treatments could fast change the perceived threat from Vampire mites even in Brazil and all beekeepers would be treating there today to prevent loss. Maybe an aggressive government give away program such as reported done in other areas and with queen bees in the past would change the bee tolerance to mites or is it beekeeper tolerance? Brazil has been blessed with some real bee scientists that have resisted the pesticide merry-go-around. Or it could be that producing pesticide advertizements in the language of Brazil is not cost effective as it is in the English or Spanish language. Many explanations have and will be given why one area suffers from horrendous loss of honeybees and the other none or less, the best answer is better pasture and less stress in one area over another. It is interesting to note that in the USA we have since the first importation of bees had climatic health problems with them. These problems seem to run in cycles with large die offs each time placed on some biological disaster. Then followed by periods of relative calm until the next event. I personally believe we are again entering one of those extended periods of relative calm. Sadly beekeepers in the US will be treating for one problem or another forever. Some will change from costly chemical treatments to less costly and non toxic things like mineral oil for Vampire mites. As for the feral populations.. One thing I have noticed in almost 50 years of stoop labor in my own bee hives is there is less swarming. This is because I am a better beekeeper, use better stock, and my bees have poorer pasture then they once had, all more or less true. I mention this because the continued hype to the public media of the big loss reported by some in the wild or feral honeybee populations. This is being unwarranted made into some kind of natural disaster when it is nothing more the the reflection of our own efforts and may have passed in the wind. Feral hives are different in only one respect from hive bees and that is they are the survivors of swarms issued by our hives. If we have no or much less swarms in our hivebees then in time there will be no or few feral hives in many areas of the US that are hostile to bees because of the same factors that reduce our own hive numbers each year under the best of care and environmental conditions. It is also well to remember that all the research done on feral honeybee populations in the USA does not amount to much more then a few local grad student projects. There does not exist a data base of feral hive statistics over any extended period of time for more then a limited local area and most of these are very limited spastic observations. It is sad to see so many research and proposed research papers with figures of gloom and doom on feral and hive bee populations but then thats pure USA BS (bee science) for you and they wonder why they are on the short list. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any personal use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/beecam/beecam.html --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Honey is sweeter than wine. Spreads on bread better too! Article 8814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeChat Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 01:03:13 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 97 Message-ID: <33BC8411.C9A46F8D@valley.net> References: <33B9B2EE.50DE@widtech.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-102.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------ECA83FD5C3C07EB64273D806" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8814 --------------ECA83FD5C3C07EB64273D806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Alexander wrote: > All, > > The first forum of BeeChat, featuring Dr. Pedro Rodriguez went > tolerably well considering the problems with the chat server. I > appologize for these difficulties and hope to have them resolved for > the next BeeChat session. > > A transcript of the session (edited for readibility and pertinance) > will be availablein a day or so from the BeeChat homepage at: > > http://www.widtech.com/beechat/ > > Thank you, Dr. Rodriguez for your time and everyone for bearing with > the difficulties. > > John Alexander > WIDTECH hi john, don't sweat it, the problems were certainly out of your control. during the 'growing pains' period of IRC, i used to spend more time trying to reconnect than i spent actually in a room. i expect java-chat will undergo the same sort of evolution, as demand outstrips capacity. the session was great, with lots of useful info. besides being able to ask questions of dr. rodriguez, it was also very helpful to chat with other beekeepers in real-time. thanks for your efforts, and i look forward to reading the transcript. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 --------------ECA83FD5C3C07EB64273D806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Alexander wrote:
All,

The first forum of BeeChat, featuring Dr. Pedro Rodriguez went
tolerably well considering the problems with the chat server.  I
appologize for these difficulties and hope to have them resolved for
the next BeeChat session.

A transcript of the session (edited for readibility and pertinance)
will be availablein a day or so from the BeeChat homepage at:

http://www.widtech.com/beechat/

Thank you, Dr. Rodriguez for your time and everyone for bearing with
the difficulties.

John Alexander
WIDTECH

 hi john,

don't sweat it, the problems were certainly out of your control.  during the 'growing pains' period of IRC, i used to spend more time trying to reconnect than i spent actually in a room.  i expect java-chat will undergo the same sort of evolution, as demand outstrips capacity.

the session was great, with lots of useful info.  besides being able to ask questions of dr. rodriguez, it was also very helpful to chat with other beekeepers in real-time.

thanks for your efforts, and i look forward to reading the transcript.

bill
 
########################################

don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player

greenros@medicalmedia.com [work]
bill.greenrose@valley.net [home]
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 --------------ECA83FD5C3C07EB64273D806-- Article 8815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!max1-np-ca-06.earthlink.net!user From: paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: shipping a hive and bees from CA to MN Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 22:30:36 -0700 Organization: Electronic Imaging Systems, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: max1-np-ca-06.earthlink.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8815 Hi, >I'm sure your friend is pretty attached to his colony, but you might >consider the option of selling the colony. Once he's in MN, he could >purchase one locally. Otherwise, he's going to end up with a very >stressed out colony. Actually, I think he's attached to his woodenware. The truck driver said he'd take it, and I'm betting those bees don't make it past Arizona because of the heat. He put boardman feeders with water in them inside the hive, but the vibration of the truck will soon empty them. Out of concern for the bee's I offered to find a local buyer for the hive. >One way of caging the bees would be the use of a bee vacuum. I think >it's the May issue of Bee Culture that has plans for this. It's too much work. >I think the biggest problem will be the unattended brood left in the >brood chamber. There's also going to brood emerging along the way. Your >local postmaster can give you all the requirements for mailing. I'll hear next week if they made it. Paul Article 8816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Problem Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 09:20:13 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 58 Message-ID: <33BCF88D.F2BEC902@valley.net> References: <5pb2nu$fbn@fcnews.fc.hp.com> <33BA3880.288F@sprintmail.com> <5pgaga$s9f@fcnews.fc.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-113.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8816 Steve Hird wrote: > : Some queens can be hard to find but you must find her if you are > going > : to re-queen. Just look for the area the she has been laying. She > won't > : be on the capped brood and there is a saying around here that "a > queen > : won't walk across honey". She will be close to where the fresh eggs > have > > I am not sure if there are any eggs. Are they an orange colored paste > > in the bottom of a cell or is that just pollen? > what you're describing sounds more like pollen. eggs look like tiny grains of rice in the bottom of the cells. should be one to a cell, sort of on end and pointing up. they can be hard to see, at first, because they're very small. try angling the frame around a bit, until you can get the light just right to illuminate down into the cells. if your queen has/had a good laying pattern, then there should be a progression of brood development in the comb, with capped brood in the middle, uncapped brood outside of that, getting progressively smaller, until there are eggs on the perimeter of the cells containing the smallest larvae. obviously, this depends not only on the queen, but on the overall crowding in the hive and how much space she has with which to work. plus, once the capped brood 'hatch' in the middle, she generally starts the process all over again, so you will see a sort of 'bulls eye' effect, as she lays in the newly vacated cells in the middle. once you can pick out all the phases of the development cycle, you can see just how cool the whole process is. you really want to get the hang of spotting eggs, because IMHO [but i'm a newbie, so what do i know?] they are one of the best ways of determining the health of your hive and your queen. if you see eggs, then she was around at least a few days ago. for example, i didn't see my queen for over a week, because i was probably rolling her off onto the other frames, as i took each frame out to examine. [i finally figured out that you should take out one frame and LEAVE it out, in order to create a gap that you can slide the other frames into to make removal easier and less traumatic for the bees. duh.] but, i didn't panic, because every time i removed a frame, i saw that new eggs had been laid in the pattern i described above. so, i knew she was in there, somewhere. once i changed my frame removal style, i saw her that same day. hope this helps. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-in.iadfw.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Problem Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 15:36:29 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 35 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <5pj2se$s61@library.airnews.net> References: <5pb2nu$fbn@fcnews.fc.hp.com> <33BA3880.288F@sprintmail.com> <5pg05f$pns$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal09-25.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8817 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >I'd remove the old queen (in a requeen ) and then install the new queen, >in her cage. In a hive ready for a new queen, I remove all the candy >and place a single sheet of newspaper over the cage hole, held on by an >elastic band. Adam had a very good post with the excption of the above comment (IMHO). I would disagree with this technique. While some beekeepers will dispense with the queen cage altogether and just directly release the new queen into the hive, I have never been one to watch ten dollars disappear so quickly. And the technique described above is pretty close to that. With just a single layer of newspaper to chew through, the bees will be at the new queen in no time (perhaps a matter of minutes!). Even "in a hive ready for a new queen", I would always leave the candy plug in place and force the colony to take a two or three days to chew thru it so they have the time to (hopefully) adjust to the new queen's pheromones. I have on occassion even left the cork plug in place for a day or two before I allowed the bees access to the candy plug; to lengthen the time the new queen is exposed to the colony. (This is no worse than it taking an extra day or two for the queen to arrive in the mail - plus it has the added benefit of putting the new queen in contact with the colony). I usually use this technique on a 'hot' colony. The main thing that Adam said and I agree with, is to place a frame or two of brood in with the new queen. This seems to help the acceptance of the new queen (especially in a hot colony). Also, if you don't have a strong honey flow going at the time of requeening, by all means, feed some sugar syrup while you're trying to get the colony to accept a new queen. BusyKnight Dallas Article 8818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: S.A.B.A. Summer Workshop Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 02:42:00 GMT Message-ID: <9707041749452139@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8818 FYI* bEE meeting...August From: Aaron Morris Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:53:13 EDT Subject: S.A.B.A. Summer Workshop at Betterbee and Meadery >--- Summer Workshop ---< The Southern Adirondack Beekeepers Association will sponsor a full day workshop on Beekeeping in northern climates on Saturday, August 2 at Betterbee in Greenwich, NY. Speakers include Dr. Shimanuki, USDA, ARS, Bee Research Laboratory in Beltsville, MD who will focus on mites, past, present and future, Peter Keating of Lac St. Jean, Quebec, a former bee inspector and currently a private consultant to the 25 biggest beekeepers in Quebec who will speak on wintering and mite control strategy in Quebec, and Charles Parker, a com- mercial beekeeper from Ontario who will speak on managing bees in the north country. This will be an excellent oppor- tunity to hear the latest information on beekeeping first hand and exchange information on the latest management tech- niques. The morning session will run from 10 am to noon and the aft- ernoon session from 1 pm to 3 pm. Bring your own lunch or visit nearby fast food restaurants. Advance registration would be appreciated as last year's workshop drew 200+ beekeepers and friends. Send $10 per family ($5 for SABA members) to Fred Ludewig at 289 Middle Line Road, Ballston Spa, NY 12020. For further information call 518-885-9032. Article 8819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jjcardinal@aol.com (JJCardinal) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mason Bees Date: 5 Jul 1997 02:47:32 GMT Lines: 4 Message-ID: <19970705024700.WAA05290@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8819 Can anyone tell me if theyMason Bees are considered "common" in Michigan and if they are, do you think they could be attracted with the new "Mason Bee Homes"? Louise Dawson Article 8820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bill, Varroa and mineral oil Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:42:30 -0700 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 36 Message-ID: <33B5F57C.6AC1@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aratus-15.starpoint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8820 Hi Bill, For some reason I got this urge to shoot a guitar player and don't know why, just kidding, thought is was funny to say. I have been treating my hives with mineral oil by applying a thin strip of mineral oil to all top bars of the brood chamber box that has the most bees in, that is the lower chamber two weeks ago. Yesterday I put the mineral oil on the upper chamber then switched the two brood chamber boxes and put on my first set of supers on half of my hives. The amount of oil I been putting on each hive is about a tablespoon full, any puddles with kill bees right away. If you do put on too much you will see the bees turn almost translusent right before your eyes, seems to drive them crazy trying to get it off. The right about they will step in it then do a kind of jitter bug dance then run back down on the combs, if too much they seem to stay on top. The whole idea is to spread the mineral oil very thinly all over the combs which will kill the mites. I done this twice so with out losing too many bees, the next day you can't tell you did this. It does seem to stop them from building burr comb on the top bars. The next time I am going to apply mineral by using a white rag dipped in the oil, no excess oil then wipe down the top bars. If your going to use the mineral oil scrape all the burr comb off first, works much better. If you keep a dry rag with you just wipe off the excess, don't let it drip in between the combs. This seems like a lot of bother but I would rather have bees with very few mites going into fall. If you figure out a better system I would like to hear it. If your system worked getting those bees out ot the temporary box they were in, then maybe you may find a better way to apply the oil. I don't know about anyone else but I love to hear what others are doing and learn from their errors, I hope others can find some wisdom or humor in what I put on the news service. Like the old drone always says I just been rambling on to much. Hope this helps Elroy Article 8821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic foundation Date: 5 Jul 1997 03:25:00 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 124 Message-ID: <01bc88f3$05b96d80$4b6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <5hc6br$a72@nntp.pe.net> <9707021950292124@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-11.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 04 10:25:00 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8821 A BIG and hearty AMEN to Tim Townsend's assessment of Pierco one piece frame/foundation. We use 'em and love 'em too. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Andy Nachbaur wrote in article <9707021950292124@beenet.com>... > > FYI* Another view on plastic foundation. > ---------------------------------------- > From: Tim Townsend > Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 14:50:01 -0700 > Subject: Re: Plastic foundation > Organization: TPLR Honey Farms > > Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > > > MG>From: Mark Goodwin > > >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:10:07 +1200 > > >Subject: Plastic foundation > > >Organization: HortResearch,Ruakura,NZ > > > > MG>Does anyone have a reference for a scientific paper comparing the > > >performance of plastic foundation and wax foundation. > > > > Hello Mark, > > > > I am sure that there are some and hope someone will forward them to you. > > > > But from experience in beekeeping testing, and most beekeepers this area > > use rigid plastic foundations not because it is more better for the bees > > but because it is stronger and holds up well with mechanical uncapping > > machines and very fast radial extractors, and is not labor intensive to > > install in the wooden frames. Anyway in beekeeper field testing the bees > > always preferred wax foundation over wax covered plastic film > > foundations, or rigid plastic foundations with or without bees wax > > coatings. All one has to do is put on foundation during a honey flow > > with the wax foundations, and the plastic together to see the > > difference. > > > > Andy; > I had to respond to this post as I don't agree with it :), not because > I am the Canadian dealer for Pierco, but because I am a beekeeper and > have been using plastic for about five years now, in large amounts, we > also talk to alot of beekeepers here in Canada and abroad that use > plastic foundation or one piece units, and the general concenses is that > as long as the bees are in good shape and on a flow they draw out the > plastic very well, even in side by side tests ( done by two agriculture > field men in Alberta and British Columbia) the results do NOT show a > preference for wax over plastic. Some of the advantages of plastic over > wax are: > 1. Removal of undesired comb, ie. drone or intermediary, is possible > without damaging the frame. > 2. The queens lay in the plastic sooner than the wax (I don't know > why)but we have seen it as have others, the first frames of brood in the > spring are nine times out of ten on the plastic frames. > 3. Can remove the old wax and end up with a totally new reusable > frame, (would be quite benificial in Europe now with the wax being > tainted). > 4. More cell space per frame ( pierco one piece units) nine frames > can equal ten. > 5. Stand up much better to the extracing, moving, wax moth, mice, > beekeepers, and even bears. > 6. Also with the one piece units the frames are the exact size, so > all the equipment is the same, unlike wood frames which you know come in > a wide variety of sizes. > 7. Ease of assemblage and storability, not damaged if you are unable > to use them this season. > They don't do everything, but they are an improvement over wood, > especially for the commercial operator. I also believe that even the > hobbiest's would be surprised and happy with them in there hives. But > like excluders, they aren't for everybody. > > Tim Townsend > Stony Plain AB Canada > --- > þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://194.112.46.22/public/default.htm (Amigabee BBS) > Article 8822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VARROA, (started as cell size) Date: 5 Jul 1997 03:42:29 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 80 Message-ID: <01bc88f5$77d760a0$4b6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <9707031839432127@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-11.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 04 10:42:29 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8822 Andy Nachbaur wrote in article <9707031839432127@beenet.com>... > As for the feral populations.. One thing I have noticed in almost 50 > years of stoop labor in my own bee hives is there is less swarming. This > is because I am a better beekeeper, use better stock, and my bees have > poorer pasture then they once had, all more or less true. I mention this > because the continued hype to the public media of the big loss reported > by some in the wild or feral honeybee populations. This is being > unwarranted made into some kind of natural disaster when it is nothing > more the the reflection of our own efforts and may have passed in the > wind. Feral hives are different in only one respect from hive bees and > that is they are the survivors of swarms issued by our hives. If we have > no or much less swarms in our hivebees then in time there will be no or > few feral hives in many areas of the US that are hostile to bees because > of the same factors that reduce our own hive numbers each year under the > best of care and environmental conditions. Andy, what you say may (or may not) be true where you live. It is certainly not true here. Except for the most Northern reaches a great deal of Michigan is IDEAL for honeybees and feral colonies used to be abundant here. In pre-mite days Michigan State University did a study of Pickle Pollination and found that even with rented hives the feral bees where doing 50% of the pollination. Now we have folks that used to get that free pollination from the bees in the woods wondering why there apple trees have nearly zero apples on them, etc. And there was the Zucchini grower with 100 acres of squash in bloom that can't find one single honeybee in the field. So it ain't all a bunch of jive Andy - it happens to be the truth here in our area that feral colonies are pretty near extinct. The only ones are the recent swarms (this was a swarmy year in MI) and they will likely be pretty near all dead by Spring if they live that long. While in pre-mite days a new swarm had only a one in three chance of making it until next Spring it is equally true that if they accomplished that feat they had a very decent chance of surviving near forever after that. And it just ain't thata way no more. And it is very very true that the loss of feral colonies is hurting pollination of home orchards and gardens. The flip side of that coin though is that the loss of free pollination from the feral bees is generating a whole new wave of beekeepers. The loss of feral colonies has also increased the average honey yield in MI - less competition for floral resources - many beekeepers setting out twice the colonies in their yards now that more can make good in an area as well. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 8823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!206.96.250.4!news1.icx.net!not-for-mail From: fakeaddress@avoidspammers.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help me identify odd bee Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 06:06:24 GMT Organization: Internet Design Group, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <33bde3c7.929933@news.icx.net> References: <5pf0ge$o3o$1@gretle.intersource.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4s.icx.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8823 On 3 Jul 1997 01:50:06 GMT, mbenton@ansel.intersource.com (Mark Benton) wrote: >Are there any good resources on the net to help one indentify and learn >about bees? I have some burrowing bees in my back yard, they are small, >about honey-bee sized, mostly black and yellow, abdomen kind of flat. >They happened to nest right under my 10 month olds swing, and I need to >know if they could be dangerous to him. > >thanks, > >Mark Benton > >mbenton@kiva.net >mbenton@harman.com > > > I believe you have a nest of yellow jackets under your 10 mionths old's swing. Kill them. They sting, and sting a lot. It may not hurt an adult, but it couldn't be good for babies. At the very least, they hurt! Article 8824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!fido.news.demon.net!demon!sun4nl!sun4nl!Utrecht.NL.net!Kijfhoek.NL.net!not-for-mail From: HOSTY Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nederlandstalige nieuwsgroep Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 08:11:12 +0200 Organization: DERAAT Message-ID: <33BDE580.2D60@PUBLISHNET.NL> Reply-To: deraat@publishnet.nl NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.pm1.publishnet.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8824 Aan Allen De nederlandstalige nieuwsgroep laat niet meer lang op zich wachten en op het moment is een rondzendlijst onder de nederlandstalige imkers dus als er mensen zijn in het buitenland die hier aan deel willen nemen,mail dan naar listserv@lifenet.nl met in de header subscribe ik hoop op reactie. Groeten Ed Article 8825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Problem Date: 5 Jul 1997 11:54:18 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 36 Message-ID: <5plcla$2oo$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <5pb2nu$fbn@fcnews.fc.hp.com> <33BA3880.288F@sprintmail.com> <5pg05f$pns$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8825 In article , BusyKnight wrote: > I have never been one to watch ten >dollars disappear so quickly. And the technique described above is >pretty close to that. With just a single layer of newspaper to chew >through, the bees will be at the new queen in no time (perhaps a >matter of minutes!). Even "in a hive ready for a new queen", I would >always leave the candy plug in place and force the colony to take a >two or three days to chew thru it so they have the time to (hopefully) >adjust to the new queen's pheromones. Sure. The condition of the hive to be requeened is as important to assess as the quality of the new queen. Some hives just need a new queen; others need a new queen caged for a few days. Others will certainly need brood and a queen. Using the newspaper method has worked well (for me) on the average. Like queen candy, you can "tune" the time taken for the bees to remove the queen by adding more layers of newspaper, or other paper-- I try to follow the old beekeeping adage with requeening: "Give the bees what they expect." Therefore, a colony hostile towards a new queen will receive a caged queen. A colony that is fanning and I know has been queenless, I'll give a newspapered-in-a-cage- queen. Sometimes, if a change in queens is necessary, both queens are laying, and on frames, you can just switch the queens. Defiantly though, if in doubt, time the release of the new queen so that her pheromonal and physiological odor may become the dominant one in the new hive, after assessing the hive's condition. I appreciate BusyKnight's point with the $10.00 queen becoming a $10.00 chewed clump of bee-parts. Another advantage to raising your own queens! Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 8826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Problem Date: 5 Jul 1997 13:14:35 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 102 Message-ID: <01bc8945$59f4dea0$2a8cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <5pb2nu$fbn@fcnews.fc.hp.com> <33BA3880.288F@sprintmail.com> <5pg05f$pns$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <5plcla$2oo$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-10.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Jul 05 8:14:35 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8826 Adam Finkelstein wrote in article <5plcla$2oo$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... Sometimes, if a > change in queens is necessary, both queens are laying, and on frames, you can > just switch the queens. Yep you can - pick one up - drop the other in her spot. BUT they have to be a match as to "state of lay". And having a honeyflow on helps as well. >Defiantly though, if in doubt, time the release of > the new queen so that her pheromonal and physiological odor may become > the dominant one in the new hive, after assessing the hive's condition. > For certain make an assessment as to receptivity of the colony to that queen in a cage before hastening her release. Look and see if bees are biting the screen - if they are the queen would/will get handled VERY rough if she got out then. > I appreciate BusyKnight's point with the $10.00 queen becoming a $10.00 > chewed clump of bee-parts. Another advantage to raising your own > queens! > Ain't that the truth. The advantages of raising your own queens are NUMEROUS. One advantage being relatedness. Bees are more receptive to queens they are related to it seems. And if you can't/won't/just don't wanna learn how to graft (or use a non-grafting method) you can still pick up many of the advantages of raising your own queens by buying queen cells instead of mated queens. Obviously the cells must be grafted off stock that is well suited to your region. Using cells you can use "forced supersedure" to comparatively cheaply requeen "everything" during a flow. As with anything with bees you won't get 100% requeened this way. But is fast and simple and in many cases the best practical way to go. Assuming you are not using excluders you just drop a very near emergence (10 or 11 day after grafting) PROTECTED queen cell into the uppermost super the bees are vigourously working in (gotta be lotsa bees where you put the cell - don't go putting it where there ain't no bees). Results vary but generally DURING A FLOW when done to supersede older queens you get around 60-80% "forced supersedure" this way. And if it is warm enough so you can use Top Bar Cell Protectors (hang cell between top bars of frames instead of down in comb as you would under cool conditions) then you can plant a LOT of cells in a hurry too saving MUCH time. Joseph Cantu and I planted 154 cells in 35 minutes - counting time from time we stopped truck to time we were getting back in truck to leave. In this case they were splits made according to the "Yard Trashing" method down in FL and yes they were all in one yard on 6-way pallets. Since they were splits the cells were planted in the brood box (had no supers nor enough bees to be working in supers if'n they did have 'em). If you really have no reason to know if you have the same queen in your hive or not - you can just drop a PROTECTED cell in each colony Spring, Summer, or early Fall during a flow. If you want to know if it got requeened (sometimes they end up with two queens just as sometimes happens with normal supersedure) you look at them in two weeks after planting the cell in them. If they have all phases of brood in a balanced brood nest you know the old queen is still there (but you don't know if the virgin got mated and is there too). If they have only patches of old sealed brood a bunch of empty polished cells and a frame or two or three of eggs and very young larvae then the old queen is gone and you now have a new queen. When we make up nucs here (unless for AI) we don't spend much if any time trying to find the queen in the colony we are splitting. If the pace is leisurely we will take a quick glance at each side of every brood frame on the chance we may spot her and kill her (unless she is needed somewhere). But we don't (unless she is a potential breeder queen or the nucs are being made up to house AI queens) spend anymore time than a quick glance per side of frame to look - one scan and the frame is gone. Then we just come back next day and make any adjustments to try and equalize the nucs and drop a cell in EVERY nuc. Cells are alot cheaper and more expendable than time is when things need doing and this way if that laying queen is young and vigorous she may not get the ax just now but will instead have a stronger colony you can use as a support colony if need be. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 8827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!News1.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!azure.xara.net!xara.net!zynet.net!bashabee From: Stewart Beattie Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 20:36:18 +0000 (GMT) Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <19970630135701.JAA14932@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vpop001-p1.zynet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8827 In article , BusyKnight wrote: > > dianajudd@aol.com (DianaJudd) wrote: > > >Please could you advise me on the healing properties of honey as. What > >specific illness or allergies is it good for? > > Honey is a food (only). > > Honey has been used, possibly still is to cure bed sores in hospital anybody confirm this?? Stewart Cumbria, UK. (an old Gable-Endie) Article 8828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33BEDFF0.5CA2@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 19:59:44 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey References: <19970630135701.JAA14932@ladder01.news.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.78.81 Lines: 21 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.78.81 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8828 I have tried to find articles and books on the healing properties of honey. It is assumed that local honey will help with pollen related alergies. I can not confirm this in any medical or homopathic books. It does however help my 5 year old son and many of my customers swear by it. It must be local and unfiltered honey. Honey is anti microbial(SP), and hydroscopic. It does not support the growth of bacteria or microbes. It also absorbs moisture. I can only find in old time homecure type books that honey placed on open cuts and burns helps the healing process. It prevents bacteria from growing and absorbs the excess moisture and infection that is present in the wound. I can find many old reciepies that use honey for various cures there is no formal documentation that I can find. If anyone can please email me because I would love to reference that material with my honey sales literature. As was mentioned by BusyKnight in his responce to this news..... Honey is food! DianaJudd wrote: > > Please could you advise me on the healing properties of honey as. What > specific illness or allergies is it good for? Article 8829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Queens (Was: Use of correcting fliud) Date: 6 Jul 1997 00:01:55 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01bc899f$ce11a700$2f8cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bc726f$9adad420$358cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <19970607141600.KAA11193@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-15.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Jul 05 7:01:55 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8829 We mark queens using oil based paint pens - they come in a variety of colors (use a light & bright color). We catch 'em in hand (hang onto thorarx) - draw a nice dot on 'em then pronto release them. The paint pens cost about $4 each (got some on sale for $2 recently though) at our local office supply place. Have bought them down in FL at a Art supply store. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 8830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!ais.net!nntp.sprintmail.com!nntp.sprintmail.com!news@sprintmail.com From: Howard Bowles Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving a hive Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 07:29:53 -0700 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <33BE5A61.5B62@sprintmail.com> Reply-To: hbowles@sprintmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ts-006watacop09.dialsprint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SI304B01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8830 I have recently been able to hive a swarm...I estimate about 5lbs of bees. The swarm has built up one and is currently finishing the 7th frame in a second deep super. They appear to be very productive but at the same time they are considerably more agressive than my other hives at this site. Because of their industrious nature I do not want to re-queen yet am concerned about their penchant to chase anyone who comes close to the hive. I live in a residential area where beekeeping is permitted but do not wish to push my luck. I live in the Tacoma, WA area and the weather this year has been at best, unpredictable and I am not sure when and how would be the best to move them. I have identified a location for them and the owner is anxious to have a hive on her property. I estimate about 1 hour to secure the hive, load it, then move it to its new location. Does anyone have suggestions on how to move this cantankerous hive? Thanks, HBowles Article 8831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: JE Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need help with bees!!!! Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 23:28:38 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <33BF1EF6.68CC@cybersim.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.24.83.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8831 Please let me preface this by saying that I have absolutely NO knowledge of bees & found this group through a website while searching for help with a severe bee problem. I would be MOST grateful if anyone could point me in the right direction to find out how to deal with this problem. Unforunately, we can't afford to have a beekeeper come and take the bees...we realy don't want to kill them, but we also can't live with the infestation either. These bees are bumblebees, not honey bees, and they have infested our horse stall undre some sheets of plywood. So in a word......HELP!!!! Aby ideas as to what we can do to deal with this problem? We would rather drive them away, but if this is not possible...what do we do. Any suggestions would be MOST welcome! Please respond via email at your convenience & thanks in advance for the help! Jon Eubanks cgar@pdq.net Article 8832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: JE Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wrong email address Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 23:32:18 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <33BF1FD2.6864@pdq.net> References: <33BF1EF6.68CC@cybersim.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.24.83.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8832 JE wrote: > > Please let me preface this by saying that I have absolutely NO knowledge > of bees & found this group through a website while searching for help > with a severe bee problem. > I would be MOST grateful if anyone could point me in the right direction > to find out how to deal with this problem. Unforunately, we can't afford > to have a beekeeper come and take the bees...we realy don't want to kill > them, but we also can't live with the infestation either. > These bees are bumblebees, not honey bees, and they have infested our > horse stall undre some sheets of plywood. > So in a word......HELP!!!! > > Aby ideas as to what we can do to deal with this problem? We would > rather drive them away, but if this is not possible...what do we do. > Any suggestions would be MOST welcome! Please respond via email at your > convenience & thanks in advance for the help! > > Jon Eubanks > cgar@pdq.net Please note the correct email address as I had not changed the address in my browser before posting...correct address is cgar@pdq.net Thanks Jon Eubanks Article 8833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!knife.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news.enterprise.net!not-for-mail From: "Rai Minter" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: International queen colours Date: 6 Jul 1997 08:56:03 GMT Organization: Private User Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bc89e2$de310520$a3c348c2@RMINTER> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp163.enterprise.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8833 Can any one help? I have just started beekeeping and I need to find out (for a quiz) the international colour marking codes for queen bees. best regards Rai Article 8835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!ais.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-in.iadfw.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: International queen colours Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 04:00:02 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 28 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <5pnuvc$o5h@library.airnews.net> References: <01bc89e2$de310520$a3c348c2@RMINTER> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal03-14.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8835 "Rai Minter" wrote: >Can any one help? I have just started beekeeping and I need to find out >(for a quiz) the international colour marking codes for queen bees. Here's a way to remember: Why You Raise Green Bees? Year Phrase Colour Year 1 Why White 6 2 You Yellow 7 3 Raise Red 8 4 Green Green 9 5 Bees? Blue 0 The International Colour System for marking newly mated queens shows the age of the queen. The colour correspondes to the year ending last digit. Example: 1997 Queens are marked yellow (as were 1992 queens and as will queens in 2002 - five years from now). Good luck on your bee quizz! BusyKnight Dallas, TX Article 8837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-in.iadfw.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Queens (Was: Use of correcting fliud) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 23:07:14 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 8 Message-ID: <09D759F602599A59.0E57EFB42C84843D.CC5412E9D95E7D0B@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <5plrdf$vuh@library.airnews.net> References: <01bc726f$9adad420$358cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <19970607141600.KAA11193@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal06-24.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8837 busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) wrote: >I've always used just Testor's model paint... Opps, please disregard - this was an old message I accidently resent. Sorry 'bout that... Article 8838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!xyzzy!bcstec!nntp From: "Stephen D. Mills" Subject: New Hives S. Central Ks. X-Nntp-Posting-Host: pc172041.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <33BF8BDF.4BAE@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (NNTP News Access) Reply-To: Stephen.D.Mills@boeing.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Boeing - Wichita Division Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 12:13:19 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Lines: 21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8838 I am a new beekeeper this is my first year, on Apr 10 I started 3 new hives with buckfast from weaver via mid con supply in overland park ks. On Apr 10 when I picked up the bees it started out as a nice spring day but by the time I got home with the packages to Mulvane Ks the temp was dropping. But being inexperianced I installed them anyway. Looking back, I should hav waited, as the weather went from bad to worse as temps dropped into the 30's I fead them with the baggie method and really messed up as I filled them too full and had leaking sugar water everywhere which got part of a cluster wet, the cold took care of about a third of that package. So two mistakes right off! But those little girls sure are forgiving, as I put on 2nd brood chambers in may 1st super on june 9th, and checked on july 4 and had all frames in supers of all hives fully capped so added 2nd supers to all hives. It sure was great to see all that capped honey, this looks like a good start for a beginner. Stephen Mills Mulvane Ks. Article 8839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed5.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!papergirl.highway1.com!chnws02.highway1.com!wbnws01.ne.highway1.com!root From: "James P. Marsh" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I need advise for getting rid of a bee hive Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 11:40:11 -0400 Organization: Marsh Consulting Lines: 9 Message-ID: <33BFBC5B.2FE5@mediaone.net> Reply-To: jmarsh@mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: jmarsh.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8839 A beehive has appeared in one of my windows (I can see the crack where they got in) and I would like to move it because it is in a high traffic location. I don't want to kill them (the minority opinion it seems) and was wondering if anyone knows if it possible to move the hive. It is very small right now. Thank you in advance. Article 8840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nilamda@aol.com (NILAMDA) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: International queen colours Date: 6 Jul 1997 15:54:25 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19970706155401.LAA02632@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <01bc89e2$de310520$a3c348c2@RMINTER> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8840 W hen White 1996 Y ou Yellow 1997 R e-queen always Red 1998 G ive the Green 1999 B est Blue 2000 White 2001 etc etc NB This system avoids any millenium problem !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Article 8841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nilamda@aol.com (NILAMDA) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm & Queen Date: 6 Jul 1997 17:57:47 GMT Lines: 31 Message-ID: <19970706175701.NAA09133@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8841 I am amazed at the advice you received !!!!!!!!!!!!! There would have been around a dozen Q cells at the time they swarmed. Accepting you had to DUMP the swarm, once they settled down you should have examined every frame and cut out all Q cells bar ONE. This is best done by shaking all bees off each frame, to make it easier to see all the cells, except of course the one with the cell you want to keep, which should have the bees brushed off gently. The colony now queenless, has no brood to feed and should therefore store plenty of honey. The new queen will be very difficult to find in the colony. So you may not know if the colony is Q-right again until you see brood. This can take three weeks or more from time it swarmed. HOWEVER it sounds like you didn't cut the Q cells, so you can expect to have a cast about nine days after the swarm. Then a few days later another and another and another. I would look in right away and look for empty open Q cells. If there are any still capped, use one (with its frame) to make a nucleus. Recommend you get help ASAP. BTW if you had decided to buy a new Q you would have had to cut out ALL the cells before you introduced her. Tony Malin, RUGBY UK Article 8842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!shaw1.demon.co.uk!shaw1.demon.co.uk!Clair From: Clair Newsgroups: alt.non.sequitur,alt.tv.simpsons,alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy,soc.culture.mexican,soc.culture.mexican.american,soc.culture.spain,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.music.korn,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,alt.fan.ok-soda,alt.genius.bill-palmer Subject: Re: What bumblebee are we talking about? Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 19:26:40 +0100 Organization: ESSC Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <5ocjt2$24e@news.enter.net> <33c2d5aa.11853803@news.enter.net> <1KuXRKBDHpuzIwre@fluidcontrol.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: shaw1.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: shaw1.demon.co.uk [194.222.11.177] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.non.sequitur:16891 alt.tv.simpsons: