Article 13179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Switching hives. Don't do it! Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:59:23 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6nbi8o$ciq2$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 899276420 nnrp-08:27069 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 54 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13179 In article <6nbi8o$ciq2$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, Zadigvolta writes > I have also tried switching hives, a weak one for a strong one, in >order to equalize the field forces. When you consider the queen's scent >and the unknown strength of her pheremones, it makes quite evident the >foolhardiness of the method. After many attempts, during different years, >under many different conditions, with nearly every race available in the >U.S. (over 30 years), this method should never be attempted. One will >only wind up with dead queens, depopulated hives which were once strong, >angry bees, a loss of time and labor, etc. Sounds good at first, but it >really is much better just to take frames of brood with the attached nurse >bees out of an exceptionally strong hive and build up your weak ones by >inserting same. Joe > > I have to say that I agree more with Allen. We use hive switching as an infrequent yet successful method of both boosting a weaker ( but not VERY weak) colony whilst delaying the onset of swarming in a strong one. As Allen said, there is experience to be brought to bear in doing this. There are occasions, especially during nectar dearths, when it just won't work and the weak hive ends up queenless and dead bees at the front of both through fighting. Thus we are very careful about when we do it and the choice of colonies involved. More often we will rob brood from the strong and give to the weaker, but circumstances can sometimes allow us to do the colony swap instead. The VERY weak, but queenright, colony is best either done away with and a fresh split made into the equipment, or do a partial unite, taking a full box of brood and bees from a strong colony (making sure the queen is left back with the donor hive!) and uniting this over newspaper to the weaker hive. The parent colony then gets a fresh brood body added to bring her back up to two. If you have a single brood body operation you have to place at least a couple of bars of the brood in the new brood chamber back at the donor colony. This works really well and is not nearly so labour intensive as it sounds, plus it converts the weak into the productive very quickly, and is safer for those not at peace with the swapping method. As with many other things however, all bets are off if swarm cells have been started ( it can still work at the unsealed cells stage, but the more mature the cell the less the chances of success), and there is no point in doing it if the queen in the recipient colony is defective. I am sure that your location may also play a part in this. Both Allen and myself are in northern latitudes, albeit with radically different climates, and those in other areas may find it not so easy. Kind regards to all Murray -- Murray McGregor murray@denrosa.demon.co.uk Article 13180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:58:55 +1000 From: bibleBlack@bigpond.com (Andy White) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive thermo-dynamics Message-ID: X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.59.251 Lines: 18 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!139.130.250.2!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!139.134.5.33!bibleBlack Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13180 Does anyone know of any papers or texts treating hive thermo-dynamics ? I have started reading books like ABC&XYZ et al. but haven't come across anything yet that suggests timber hives would suffer greatly from a 2.5mm reduction in thickness. 'Back-of-the-envelope' calculations (treating the problem as a heat pump in an empty box) suggest that a reduction in timber thickness from 21.5mm to 19mm would have negligable effect on hive temperatures (and hence honey consumption). The real situation is likely to be even better as the bees do not heat the whole volume, are fury etc. My motivation is that in Australia, 19mm is a standard timber size, whereas the recommended thickness isn't and savings in production costs for the backyard manufacturer would obviously result. TIA, Andy White, andy.white@rmit.edu.au Article 13181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:47:39 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <359b4a15.821773@news.jps.net> References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.39 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.39 Lines: 28 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.39 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13181 On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:44:04 -0400, Marc Andelman wrote: >How far can bees go to find nectar? When it come to getting into trouble or bringing trouble home the distance seems to be unlimited, such as getting into fields sprayed with pesticides. Having said that I had a yard 112+- of bees that made it to a Orange Grove 7 miles away every few years but not every year and were able to produce orange honey in the brood chambers. The flew out of a dry or desert area without any flowers over rolling hills with NO flowers only brown pasture between them and the Orange Grove. I believe they could do this because of the air movement that would bring in the odor from the blooming oranges and allow them an easy flight to and from the groves. ttul, the OLd Drone Keep Up with the BEE News http://beenet.com/bnews.htm (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:28:35 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 24 Message-ID: <359A3983.583B@nt.com> References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> <3599ec46.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13182 JAF wrote: > > Marc Andelman wrote in message <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com>... > >How far can bees go to find nectar? > > > >Regards. > >Marc Andelman > > The "3feet or 3miles" rule, when moving a hive would seem to suggest > something slightly under, or in the region of, 3 miles, though in good The 3 feet or 3 mile rule is based on bees flying no more than 1.5 miles so that they don't inadvertantly fly over an area that corresponds to the old map they seem to keep in their head and hence go back to where the used to be. How this squares up to the fact that bees have been seen to go more than 3 miles for a good nectar source I don't know. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 13183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hird@fc.hp.com (Steve Hird) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keep losing queens Date: 1 Jul 1998 15:03:45 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site Lines: 44 Message-ID: <6ndj4h$d9s@fcnews.fc.hp.com> References: <6n8top$sqs@fcnews.fc.hp.com> <6n96i6$3j@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: hird-at-lvld.hp.com replace -at- with @ NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.fc.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.10] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!hird Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13183 George Styer (gstyLer@worldnet.att.net) wrote: : Steve Hird wrote in article : <6n8top$sqs@fcnews.fc.hp.com>... : > : > : > I am in my second year of bee keeping. Last year my bees died : > because the queen disappeared and a laying worker took her place. : > This year I have two hives one doing great and the other not great. : > One hive lost it's queen and replaced her, I know because : > the queen with the blue dot was gone and un-dotted queen was in the : hive, : > also saw the queen cells. : This is not uncommon. However i doubt if she was "lost". Most likely they : superceded her. As you have experienced, being able to tell when your queen : has changed is a huge benefit of marking her. : > This new queen never layed eggs and she is missing. : How long ago did she emerge? What has the weather been like? Could be that : she has not yet mated or has mated and not yet begun laying. Can your : provide any more info as to timing? This seems to have been the problem. She emerged two weeks ago. I found her and noticed she had not done any laying. I though I would give her a week to get into the maternal spirit. After that week, I could not find her and still no signs of laying. I jumped the gun and decided she was a dud and she is gone, this is on Saturday. So I had weavers send me a new queen (fed ex overnight) got the queen Tuesday, and per the advice of this group I ensured that my hive was queenless before putting the new queen in the hive. Well there she was in all her glory laying eggs like a champ so I left the hive alone. Now I have more queens than hives. My goal this year is to maximizes my odds of having a good hive or two so I am hesitant to split any hives to accommodate my excess queen. If any one is interested in a Buck-Fast Queen nearly direct form Weavers, free (I will even ship her) let me know today. Or if anyone has any good ideas of what else to do with the excess queen (of coarse I am aware of the smashing option) please let me know. Thanks to everyone for the advice ... this group is one highest-quality on-subject news groups on the net. ... Steve Hird hird-at-lvld (replace -at- with @) Article 13184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frames Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 07:41:17 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <17F856C22S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13184 In article iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) writes: > > As I am not overly >experienced in cutting the cappings off the honey, I pretty well butchered >the comb. > >Question is.... will the bees rebuild the comb.... Ira, Assuming the comb will go back on as honey supers then you have nothing to worry about. The bees will rebuild the comb so well you won't be able to tell they started with "butchered comb". If however you are going to reuse the frames in a brood chamber then your concern of excessive drone comb may be valid and you might want to go with your first plan (harvest the wax). The bees will always rebuilt the comb, but with irregular patterns (butchered combs) they may not be inclined to build all worker cells. Good luck with your varroa treatments, whatever you use. Proponents of FGMO will point out that treatment is possible even when you have honey supers on. I think the path you are following is the most prudent. Again, good luck! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 13185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!161.33.3.1!QMS!not-for-mail From: "todd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Epi-Pen or Ana-Kit price Date: 1 Jul 1998 15:39:42 GMT Organization: QMS, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <01bda506$5e78be00$878721a1@toddpc> References: <3598C108.BE73ECD1@leuko.biomed.cas.cz> <3598E62F.52443774@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.33.135.135 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13185 I got one for $15 US. sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca wrote in article <3598E62F.52443774@sympatico.ca>... > I recently purchased an epipen as a precaution, and they where 75$ > Canadian. I beleive the ana-kits are around 40-45$ Canadian > > Karel Drbal wrote: > > > I want to ask you about the price of Epi-Pen or Ana-Kit in the US, > > Canada or western Europe. > > In our country it seems to be quite high -around $60 for single adult > > dose. > > TYA > > > > -- > > Karel Drbal > > Laboratory of Leukocyte Antigens > > Institute of Molecular Genetics > > Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic > > Videnska 1083 > > 142 20 PRAHA 4 > > Czech Republic, Europe > > voice: +420-2-4752589 > > fax: +420-2-44472282 > > home: +420-2-67315204 > > e-mail: drbal@leuko.biomed.cas.cz > > WWW: http://leuko.biomed.cas.cz > > > > Article 13186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet From: "P.Williams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Zealand (Italian Queens) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:28:47 +0100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6ndrkt$62u$1@heliodor.xara.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.27.26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13186 I thought I'd enquire about other beekeepers views on New Zealand queens. I have kept them for 5 years and have been rewarded with very enjoyable beekeeping, bees that are more reluctant to swarm than the usual and good returns of honey. Sounds good doesn't it! Various other beekeepers almost condem me for keeping them mentioning that they are prone to Acarine, difficult to winter (in the UK) and a queen breeder even mentioned what a horrible colour they are. The last two comments I have just thrown out of the window as utter rubbish, but what concerns me is this view on their susceptibility to Acarine. How can one type of bee be more prone to this infestation than another? Fortunately, I haven't had this problem, but if anyone else out there has any views on this I would be interested to hear from you. Article 13187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:04:35 +0100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-149.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3599ec46.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-149.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13187 Marc Andelman wrote in message <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com>... >How far can bees go to find nectar? > >Regards. >Marc Andelman The "3feet or 3miles" rule, when moving a hive would seem to suggest something slightly under, or in the region of, 3 miles, though in good weather, and a well fed bee, it may well be more. According to the Beekeeper's Handbook (Owen Meyer, 1981), a bee normally has 'fuel' for "15 minutes flight, 4 to 5 miles, but can replenish by consuming nectar on the way. Some nectar collected from a source at a distance from the hive must be used for the return journey, so there is a point beyond which it is not economical to collect nectar. The excess would be consumed to get back to the hive. The Law of diminishing Returns applies to bees too!" hth -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk (edit spamtrap, to reply) www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale photos (c.30) "668, the Neighbour of the Beast" Article 13188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.221.240.3!beaker.tor.sfl.net!news.rdc1.on.wave.home.com!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <359AA7F1.1C7E5449@shaw.wave.ca> From: Joan Tuckey Reply-To: tuckey@shaw.wave.ca Organization: Notes & Numbers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apimondia '99 References: <6n2v2v$soh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <3598E3CF.ABCFA5DA@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 21:19:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: h24-64-14-253.ed.wave.shaw.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:19:46 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13188 The correct address is http://www.apimondia99.ca The original poster put a slash instead of a dot after www Allen Welk wrote: > Double check the Webb address: I think it should be > www.apimondia.ca. The link will not take you to the > proper web page. -- Joan Tuckey, Edmonton, AB mailto:tuckey@shaw.wave.ca http://www.edm.shaw.wave.ca/~jtuckey/joan.html Article 13189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:14:19 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 899332411 nnrp-08:10489 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13189 In article <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman writes >How far can bees go to find nectar? I know one beekeeper who harvested heather honey last year (not for the first time) and the nearest known heather of any quantity to him is 6-7 miles away (as the bee flies) -- Tom S Article 13190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!169.132.11.200!news.idt.net!WCG!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: numen@rotfl.com (Tom) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 23:03:14 GMT Organization: TN Lines: 18 Message-ID: <28BA991AA648BBBE.617B2C740A089214.8CB614422693EE0C@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <359ac007.43241213@news.fastlane.net> References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> Reply-To: numen@rotfl.com Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at fastlane.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: librarytest.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Jul 1 18:03:29 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: dD`rX+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13190 How does one know what kind of honey it is? Or where the nectar comes from? On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:14:19 +0100, Tom Speight wrote: >In article <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman > writes >>How far can bees go to find nectar? >I know one beekeeper who harvested heather honey last year (not for the >first time) and the nearest known heather of any quantity to him is 6-7 >miles away (as the bee flies) _____________________________ Tom numen@rotfl.com Article 13191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: jprice@infi.net (Jack Price) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wild Turkeys Eat Bees? Date: 2 Jul 1998 02:35:14 GMT Organization: Infinet L.C. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6nerl2$vn6$1@nw003t.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm6-138.roanoke.infi.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13191 Came upon a small flock of turkeys around an isolated hive I have this afternoon. Just wondered? Jack Article 13192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.184.182.21!tricia!default From: hotopic2@hotmail.com (William Wallace) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Flow in Michigan (Washtenaw County) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 04:09:29 GMT Organization: slow but sure Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6nf0qn$dl2@tricia.msn.fullfeed.com> References: <35957529.0@news.ic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8-2.lse.fullfeed.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13192 It's been cold, wet and windy here in Wisconsin, so things are lagging a bit. Perhaps you got off to a late start, and missed the apple/dandelion ect. flow, but clover's comin' on strong with all the rain... so relax... read a book. In article <35957529.0@news.ic.net>, "Owners" wrote: >Can someone tell me when the honey flow is supposed to begin? Article 13193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Establishing outyards Date: 2 Jul 1998 04:46:11 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6nf3aj$j9s@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13193 I would like to expand my hobby and local laws say 2 hives on my small ubran lot, so my questions are: How does one go about locating property owners that would be agreeable to having some hives on their property? What kind of agreements are typical for a hobbyist, yard rent, etc? What about liability? I am located in California where we litigate everything. Any caveats? -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Article 13194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> <28BA991AA648BBBE.617B2C740A089214.8CB614422693EE0C@library-proxy.airnews.net> <359b081c.5125221@news.jps.net> Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:34:29 +0100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-177.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <359b309f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-177.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 38 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13194 Andy Nachbaur wrote in message <359b081c.5125221@news.jps.net>... >On Wed, 01 Jul 1998 23:03:14 GMT, numen@rotfl.com (Tom) wrote: > >>How does one know what kind of honey it is? Or where the nectar comes >>from? > >In my case it was Orange honey which is water white in color, has the >aroma of Oranges and there were no other nectar sources. > >>>>How far can bees go to find nectar? >>>I know one beekeeper who harvested heather honey last year (not for the >>>first time) and the nearest known heather of any quantity to him is 6-7 >>>miles away (as the bee flies) > >I don't make Heather honey but I have heard from the few bee keepers >that I have met that have that it is very easy to tell as it is jelly >like and can not or is hard to extract when pure... I remember the >taste as different also but don't quote me as its been awhile. I also >remember the color as brown again I may be a shade or two off on that >also. But I will bet you the beekeepers who produce it can tell you. > >ttul, the OLd Drone > >http://beenet.com > Heather honey is THIXOTROPIC. (It exhibits 'thixotropy') That is, when left alone, it's consistency is jelly-like, but when agitated/stirred, turns liquid. When subsequently left alone (again), it returns to it's jelly state. Honeys from different sources have different flavours, colours and consistencies. After long observation (hundreds of years?) many (especially the 'best') varieties are well known. -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk (edit spamtrap, to reply) www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale photos (c.30) "668, the Neighbour of the Beast" Article 13195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <28069820.2931@none444.yet> Subject: Re: This Is YOUR Opportunity!!! Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:42:41 +0100 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-182.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <359b3bed.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-182.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13195 no.email.address.entered@none444.yet wrote in message <28069820.2931@none444.yet>... >From: Erik Meinhardt >Subject: ALMOST FREE$$!! >Date: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:32 PM > SPAM SCAM and not one single mention of bees. Aren't chain letters illegal in UK? KJ Article 13196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Wed, 01 Jul 98 08:48:57 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <17F867BFCS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> <3599ec46.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13196 In article <3599ec46.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> "JAF" writes: >The "3feet or 3miles" rule, when moving a hive would seem to suggest >something slightly under, or in the region of, 3 miles, though in good >weather, and a well fed bee, it may well be more.... As I understand it, the "3 feet or 3 miles" rule suggests that bees will fly up to a mile and a half from their hive. The area in which bees forage is viewed as a circle with a 1.5 mi radius, the center of which is the hive location. If the circle with a 1.5 mi radius from the new location overlaps the circle with a 1.5 mi radius from the old location the bees will return to the old location. 1.5 + 1.5 = 3, hence the 3 mile rule of thumb. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 13197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: TiPnRiNg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SWARM help needed Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:53:54 -0700 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 35 Message-ID: <359BBB22.C8533F63@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 899398293 38BMS018M6539CDA2C usenet85.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13197 *{repost}* Open invitation for a berating or two. Here's what I did,,,What I'd like to know is,,,how could I have done it better or easier? Got a call from a frantic landlord, (where the company I work for rents some rooftop for communication stuff), saying there are bees everywhere buzzing his tenants and they seem to be going in and out of a hole that we made in his building. (the hole was OK just not the bees) Upon arrival,,sure enough,,, he had a full fledged hive in the parapet up on the roof. So basically, this hive is in a wall. I was able to cut a section out of one side of the wall to get a little access to the hive. (there were blockages that couldn't be moved for full access). Anyway,,,as I said,,,with a panicky landlord breathing over my shoulder mumbling about bug spray,,,I had to make the executive decision to do it the sloppy way to just get all the hive out of the wall and put it and as many bees as possible into a box with a few frames of drawn comb. I really hated to do it that way but it was that or he'd kill them all. I'm not even sure if I got the queen or not,,,I'll go back tomorrow to see if they're setting up house in the new box or not. So there ya have it,,,,if and when there is a next time,,,what would have made this a cleaner "de-install"? ~*Note*~ the hive, I'm guessing,(as I couldn't see the whole thing), was approx. 2 ft X 3 ft X 6 in deep. and there was a whole boatload of drones in there which is why I had even more troubles trying to find a queen,,,a LOT of them looked bigger! Anyways,,,,sorry my sordid tale is sooo long ,,,anything constructive would be greatly appreciated Don't forget to remove the "notanks" in my address, when replying! Article 13198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Galanized Honey Extractor Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1998070218113100.OAA14394@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jul 1998 18:11:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <359790F0.2221@nt.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13198 As Adrian point out, it is food safety regulations that say that you cannot use galvainzed equipment for honey processing. Here is Oregon (as in many states) you cannot get a honey house approved with galvanized equipment UNLESS it is paint with a food-grade epoxey paint. The concern is storing honey in galvanizwd tanks (wiht lead soldered seams) could lead to zinc and/or lead leaching out. In reality, you would have to leave the honey in there a long time and have a good gas chromatigraph to measure any contamination. It's just the government-types portecting us from ourselves. Ther are thousand of the Kelly (and other mfgs) galvanized extractors in use by hobbyist beekeepers that are doing just fine. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:42:09 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 899412752 nnrp-01:15514 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 47 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13199 In article , Tom Speight writes >In article <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman > writes >>How far can bees go to find nectar? >I know one beekeeper who harvested heather honey last year (not for the >first time) and the nearest known heather of any quantity to him is 6-7 >miles away (as the bee flies) This is not unknown. Several years ago we made up some nucs and left them in a site in a local village to build up for winter. This was at least 5 miles from the nearest heather. I was surprised to find out in September when I went to finally check them over and feed them that none needed feeding, all were well supplied with Lime (Linden or Basswood) and Heather honey. A couple were severely congested they had brought in so much heather. A rarity, sure, but it illustrates how far they can go. In 1997 we co-operated with a local farmer in the purchase of seed of Phacelia to plant on some of his set-aside land. This was the only plot of this in our whole county, and it has a very distinctive dark purplish blue, almost black at first glance, pollen. It is also a great nectar yielder and highly attractive to bees. We had many apiaries in the vicinity, but we were surprised to find this distinctive pollen present in colonies at substantial distances from the field, the furthest was 5.5 miles away in a direct line. The quantities diminished with distance and at the most distant site only two hives out of 40 were working it. This was a real eye opener to me as prior to that I had happily believed the old three miles story. We subsequently had to move one of the apiaries about two miles, still well within the range described, but got no 'fly-back' occurring. I would reckon that having a marker pollen like that can show us just how much behaviour outside the accepted norms goes on, similar to the enlightening situation when you introduce a colony of a radically different colour to an apiary that you see just how much drifting goes on between hives. Murray -- Murray McGregor Article 13200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: mdiver@voy.net (vger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drag Queen???? Date: 2 Jul 1998 20:22:16 GMT Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6ngq5o$9nm$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.42.152.160 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: 899410936 XWIOA1DPV98A0D12AC usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13200 I've had a Queenless hive with laying workers. I have broken the hive down and put the frames into my other hives to take care of the laying worker/workers. But while looking thru the hive to see if a queen was in there, I noticed that the workers had made Queen cells. Not my question is: Since the laying workers only lay drone eggs, if they lay an egg in the queen cell, and the workers treat it as a Queen eggs with royal jelly and all. When the bee hatches out is it still a drone but thinking it's a Queen? Does it act like a Queen or a Drone? So would it be called a Drag Queen then? :) It's a wonder how strange things run thru some people's head out in the woods alone with thousands of bees to keep you company, and it gives you time to think about how things are and "What If" on other things. mdiver@voy.net Article 13201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> <3599ec46.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <17F867BFCS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:42:06 +0100 Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-162.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <359c0741.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-162.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13201 Aaron Morris wrote in message <17F867BFCS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>... >In article <3599ec46.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> >"JAF" writes: > >>The "3feet or 3miles" rule, when moving a hive would seem to suggest >>something slightly under, or in the region of, 3 miles, though in good >>weather, and a well fed bee, it may well be more.... > >As I understand it, the "3 feet or 3 miles" rule suggests that bees will fly >up to a mile and a half from their hive. The area in which bees forage is >viewed as a circle with a 1.5 mi radius, the center of which is the hive >location. If the circle with a 1.5 mi radius from the new location overlaps >the circle with a 1.5 mi radius from the old location the bees will return to >the old location. 1.5 + 1.5 = 3, hence the 3 mile rule of thumb. > >Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! It's logical, I know, but the rest of my post, quoted and referenced, said up to 5 miles. I wonder what Von Frisch said. He should have known. Can anyone out there help? -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk (edit spamtrap, to reply) www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale photos (c.30) "668, the Neighbour of the Beast" Article 13202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.250.21!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!news.nero.net!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Turkeys Eat Bees? Date: 2 Jul 1998 23:23:42 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6nh4pu$lh1@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <6nerl2$vn6$1@nw003t.infi.net> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13202 Watch and report. Both turkey's and bees are fascinating. The combination should be a treat. In a previous article, jprice@infi.net (Jack Price) says: >Came upon a small flock of turkeys around an isolated hive I have this >afternoon. Just wondered? > >Jack > > -- Article 13203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Annemarie Dugan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question on bees in the rain Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 21:45:50 -0700 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <359C61FE.50AC@usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup35.tnjoh.usit.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13203 I've noticed it's kind of amusing to watch the front of the hive sometimes when a little rain shower pops up from an otherwise clear sky. The normal rather chaotic jumble of bees hovering, orienting, and flying in and out quickly organizes into a dash into the hive. It looks sort of like a powerful vacuum were suddenly turned on inside the hive. My question arose from such an observation recently. I noticed that this "vacuum effect continued for several minutes into the rain shower, which means to me that foragers flew through the rain to the hive over reasonably long distances. I've read that foragers returning to the hive are likely to have an added 80% of body weight in nectar, and that this weight makes it difficult to make pinpoint approaches -- thus the benefit of a wide, angled landing board. Well, if a bee is having such trouble flying, and gets hit by a raindrop, which can easily be equal in diameter to the bee and several times the bee's weight, and which (the raindrop) is also falling at terminal velocity ... how can the bee survive the impact, much less keep flying? Or does the bee simply get knocked to the ground to resume flying after re-gathering its "wits?' Or can the bees actually "dodge" the raindrops (and if so, why not simply stay out during the storm)? Lots of other questions come to mind, but does anyone know anything about this? Article 13204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question on bees in the rain Date: 3 Jul 1998 03:25:26 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6nhiv6$hhc$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <359C61FE.50AC@usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13204 In article <359C61FE.50AC@usit.net>, Annemarie Dugan wrote: > Or does the bee simply get >knocked to the ground to resume flying after re-gathering its "wits?' I've observed foragers do this in the field. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 13205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PMS? Date: 3 Jul 1998 03:32:47 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6nhjcv$hlq$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13205 Hello. I've observed AFB-like symptoms, melted down larva with pupal tounges evident, but the remains doesn't really "rope" it's more like Sac Brood: it begins to rope, and then coalesces into a blob. Is this what others have seen with PMS? Of course I'm going to send some off to venerable Beltsville, but wondered if these symptoms sound familiar. thanks, Adam (P.S. I've only seen two varroa mites on workers this season so far, everything else being somewhat equal last year I saw ~100 by now.) -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 13206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!surfnet.nl!news.sara.nl!news From: "a" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: t Date: 3 Jul 1998 06:06:27 GMT Organization: Academic Computer Services Amsterdam (SARA) Lines: 1 Message-ID: <01bda648$b71c8e40$e528abc2@pcpeene.cemo.nioo.knaw.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc229.cemo.nioo.knaw.nl X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13206 t Article 13207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: "Julie R. Wise" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: 3 Jul 1998 11:43:24 GMT Organization: The Macaw's Roost Lines: 26 Message-ID: <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1> NNTP-Posting-Host: and-002-29.iquest.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8286 rec.gardens:269378 rec.gardens.edible:12490 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13207 sci.agriculture.fruit:1992 Paul Onstad wrote in article <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1>... > > >>Brad Faber wrote: > > > >>Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other > > >>pollinators to a home garden? > > Just make them comfortable in your area. In early season there won't be > much in the garden to attract them but if you have lawn clover, don't mow > selected areas while it's blooming. We actually discovered that the bees like it better when the clover is mowed. When mowing once last year I just didn't have the heart to cut it down because there were so many bees working - so I left a patch behind the barn. During the week we went to watch the bees work and each day we noticed fewer in the old patch, but where we had mowed there was fresh clover growing with bees greedily working. I think that each blossom only has so much nectar, once harvested it's worthless. Cutting the clover once a week encourages new blossoms to grow and keeps the girls happy. -- Julie east central Indiana USA Article 13208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!nntphost.dur.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Alan Craig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving bees short distances Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 12:27:21 +0100 Organization: University of Durham, Durham, UK. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <359CC019.4A54DF07@durham.ac.uk> References: <6n94f1$ksb$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: fourier.dur.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13208 Dr C.J. Browning wrote: > > There was some correspondence in this group a while ago about moving bees short distances. > Two > methods were suggested - putting a large board in front of the hive entrance so that the bees have to fly > out in a different direction and hence, hopefully, re-orientate, and going during the night to the old site, > collecting boxfuls of 'lost' bees and re-taking them to their new site again. > > Having recently had to move four hives a half-mile or so, I would like you all to know that BOTH > THESE METHODS FAIL. The board does not seem to make any significant difference, and one can > collect boxfuls of bees night after night after night and they STILL go back. > What's more, the lost > bees are terribly bad-tempered during the day and the old site becomes unuseable for any purpose at all. > > I now firmly believe the 'THREE FEET OR THREE MILES' rule. I recently had to move mine a short distance (about 10 yards), the easiest way to do this is to move them 3 miles away and then, about a week later, move them back. Article 13209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!newsmaster@tinet.ie From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Propolis Tincture? Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:33:24 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6nhu5k$3j215@scotty.tinet.ie> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p55.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13209 Christian von Wechmar wrote in message ... >I have recently become interested in Propolis as a medicine. I have >looked in my dad's beekeeping books but cannot find a recipe to make a >propolis tincture. I have also searched the "propolis sites" on the www >but it seems that they only want to sell the propolis, not show how it is >made. > >I have gathered some propolis from a vacated hive. What do I do now? I >would like to use the Propolis topically and internally. Place the propolis into a jar and cover it with ethanol ( I use Gin or Vodka), leave to dissolve for several day giving it a shake to assist the solution. Filter into a bottle. To use internally take the dose diluted with water. It forms a good mouthwash for mouth ulcers. Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie Article 13210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PMS? Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 03:27:28 -0700 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <359CB210.284D@juno.com> References: <6nhjcv$hlq$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.254 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 899472577 OCZ7E7JIA4FFECDD8C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Adam Finkelstein Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13210 sure sounds like what has been conveniently labeled as bpms (bee parasitic mite syndrome, to bee politically correct!)...most likely a melange of secondary infections activated/vectored by mites(either/ both may be involved, but not necessarily so) that is usually diagnosed by a process of elimination (ie,ruling out afb/efb by lab analysis)...although susceptibility may vary according to genetics and/or environmental stresses, the bacterial symptoms can be somewhat remedied by antibiotics, viral and fungal symptoms may respond to requeening, and the episode may be temporarily masked by a strong honey flow. good luck! Article 13211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive thermo-dynamics Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:24:22 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 26 Message-ID: <359A3886.744E@nt.com> References: Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13211 Andy White wrote: > > anything yet that suggests timber hives would suffer greatly from a 2.5mm > reduction in thickness. > My motivation is that in Australia, 19mm is a standard timber size, > whereas the recommended thickness isn't and savings in production costs > for the backyard manufacturer would obviously result. > Your standard size sounds very similar to the UK 1 inch thisck PAR timber (PAR = Planed All Round) where the wood is 1 inch thick before planing and ens up at about 19 to 20 mm. My bees have been living in hives made out of this wood for 5 years and don't seem to mind. You have to decide, well I did anyway, whether to conform to the internal or external dimensions for your hives, I chose external. This choice means that from the outside the hive looks standard and 'proper' dimention hive parts fit and gives slightly more room inside, sometimes reslts in brace comb being created. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 13212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keep losing queens Date: 1 Jul 1998 16:37:41 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6ndokl$3i8@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <6n8top$sqs@fcnews.fc.hp.com> <6n96i6$3j@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <6ndj4h$d9s@fcnews.fc.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.241 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13212 3 ideas for your surplus come to mind: 1. make up an observation hive 2. make up a small nuc 3. a 2 queen colony -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Steve Hird wrote in article <6ndj4h$d9s@fcnews.fc.hp.com>... > George Styer (gstyLer@worldnet.att.net) wrote: > : Steve Hird wrote in article > : <6n8top$sqs@fcnews.fc.hp.com>... > : > > : > > > (I will even ship her) let me know today. Or if anyone has any good ideas > of what else to do with the excess queen (of coarse I am aware of the smashing > option) please let me know. > > Thanks to everyone for the advice ... this group is one highest-quality > on-subject news groups on the net. > > ... Steve Hird > hird-at-lvld (replace -at- with @) > Article 13213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 13:35:40 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <359cd9c1.55228301@news.earthlink.net> References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust102.tnt1.dfw5.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13213 Marc Andelman wrote: >How far can bees go to find nectar? Marc, An experiment related to this question was reported by J.E. Eckert in the Journal of Economic Entomology in 1933 (47:257-85). They had bees in the Wyoming badlands where they could control the distance to the nearest nectar source. According to that report, bees 8.5 miles from the food were able to find it, but those 9 miles away were not. Later, more practical studies showed that colonies 3/4 of a mile (1.2 km) away from a nectar source gained far less weight than colonies located right at the crop food source (32% less one year, 83% less in another year). [Ribbands, C.R. (1951) in Journal of Animal Ecology, 20: 220-6, and in Bee World (1952), 33: 2-6]. Regarding the movement of bees, my personal experince is that, within a mile or two, the farther they are moved, the fewer field bees that return to the old location. That is, moving one mile will have far few bees returning to the old location than moving 1/4 mile. It is not an all-or-none thing, and may be related to individual bees' past flight experience. -John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 13214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <359CF4F0.A0D3B55B@gocougs.wsu.edu> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 08:12:48 -0700 From: Wendy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 911 hive removal-San Diego Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.137.153.76 X-Trace: 3 Jul 1998 08:02:28 +0700, 207.137.153.76 Lines: 13 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.67.253.7!atmnet.net!newsboy.4d.net!207.137.153.76 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13214 Help- Honeybees have invaded our garage while we were on vacation. Honey is literally dripping down the walls and covering the garage floor. Before we call an exterminator, is there anyone in the San Diego area that would be interested in removing the hive for us??? I hate to kill the little buggers.... Wendy 565-8141 -- Wendy Joplin mailto:wjoplin@gocougs.wsu.edu http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/5289/pix.htm Article 13215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: jprice@infi.net (Jack Price) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Turkeys Eat Bees? Date: 3 Jul 1998 15:24:05 GMT Organization: Infinet L.C. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6nit2l$6rf$1@nw001t.infi.net> References: <6nerl2$vn6$1@nw003t.infi.net> <6nh4pu$lh1@ednet2.orednet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm6-165.roanoke.infi.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13215 In article <6nh4pu$lh1@ednet2.orednet.org>, ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) says: > > > >Watch and report. Both turkey's and bees are fascinating. The >combination should be a treat. > > In a previous article, jprice@infi.net (Jack >Price) says: > >>Came upon a small flock of turkeys around an isolated hive I have this >>afternoon. Just wondered? >> >>Jack >> Can I use you as an authority for 'scientific capture' of the offending turkeys? :^) Only an analysis of the stomach contents would proof it. Would eating the turkey void the experiment? Jack Article 13216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!aruba.odu.edu!reznor.larc.nasa.gov!night.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-nyc.telia.net!ubnnews.unisource.ch!not-for-mail From: "Eric Engelhard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Todd Traps Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:51:06 -0700 Organization: Unisource Business Networks Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6ngob5$e11$1@ubnnews.unisource.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: du5.paus.ch X-Trace: ubnnews.unisource.ch 899409061 14369 (None) 194.209.60.101 X-Complaints-To: news@ubnnews.unisource.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13216 Hello all, I was wondering if anyone has experience with Todd traps. Todd traps are devices mounted to a hive entrance and consist of a series of screens and/or bevels designed to get "undertaker" bees to drop dead bees in a collecting tray or jar, rather than having the dead bees removed to a greater distance (where they would be difficult to count). I have used the basic tray design, a lighter funnel design, and a simple cylinder (my own design). The performance of all have been satisfactory, but I am always on the lookout for something more elegant (simple, cheap, effective, light, rugged). Anyone have a candidate? Much appreciated, Eric Engelhard Group Leader Terrestrial Ecotoxicology Springborn Laboratories (Europe) AG Switzerland Article 13217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PMS? Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 16:23:38 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35a000f7.8348332@news.jps.net> References: <6nhjcv$hlq$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.12 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.12 Lines: 43 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13217 On 3 Jul 1998 03:32:47 GMT, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >I've observed AFB-like symptoms, melted down larva with pupal tounges evident, >but the remains doesn't really "rope" it's more like Sac Brood: it begins to >rope, and then coalesces into a blob. >Is this what others have seen with PMS? Of course I'm going to send some off >to venerable Beltsville, but wondered if these symptoms sound familiar. Don't know about any PMS but when a hive population has been reduced over a period of time because of a failing queen it is quite common to find small patches of shoot gun brood being attacked by all kinds of pathogens including AFB after is has been neglected by the bees. AFB normally has a smell that you should be able to detect early on. But it does sound to me like you are looking at one of the other bacterial agents associated with EFB or you could have a mix. As a commercial beekeeper I follow the old rules, if in doubt about AFB burn em. But TM really makes a difference when used early in the spring before brood rearing gets going. >(P.S. I've only seen two varroa mites on workers this season so far, >everything else being somewhat equal last year I saw ~100 by now.) Interesting, very interesting, but what's the treatment history if known and what cycle of brood are they in. If the bees were treated last fall and the season is late the build up of mites could also be late. But I like the idea of less mites being found for what ever reason as it fits in to what others have told me from areas that have had a much longer history with them then we have. And that is that they the Vampire mites in time reach a tolerable level with or without man's intervention and do no measurable harm if they themselves are the only problem the individual hive has and this includes the so called feral populations. ttul, the OLd Drone at home in Los Banos, California http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: FMcCloskey@webtv.net (Frank McCloskey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbee! Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:08:55 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19379-359D1027-18@newsd-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR9rrTzZgd6SmOhadQtCgSk0fiJFQIUVghR5SrBYEWiiXVcvmOclcjDDps= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13218 Hi! I'm interested in learning about beekeeping, but I don't know where to begin. Please help. Thanks. Article 13219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keep losing queens Date: Thu, 02 Jul 98 08:22:16 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <17F8775BBS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <6n8top$sqs@fcnews.fc.hp.com> <6n96i6$3j@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <6ndj4h$d9s@fcnews.fc.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13219 In article <6ndj4h$d9s@fcnews.fc.hp.com> on 1 Jul 1998 15:03:45 GMT you write: > ... If any one is >interested in a Buck-Fast Queen nearly direct form Weavers, free >(I will even ship her) let me know today. Well Steve, this is a very generous offer. If noone has already spoken up I'd be happy to accept your offer. Send Express mail ans a SASE and I'll even pay, free is too good to be true! Sincerely, Aaron Morris PO Box 246 Round Lake, NY 12151-0246 Article 13220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Follow-up on "Swarms Everywhere" Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 02:54:27 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 58 Message-ID: <359d9577.447443922@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co55-04.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 03 8:01:10 PM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13220 This is a follow-up message from my last post two weeks ago regarding a recent swarm which took up residence in someone's house. Following some seven or eight swarms I've collected since then (and two hives out of the walls of houses) I've finally found the time to respond back from my bee-swarm experiences of late. The box did NOT work. They bees simply found a new exit/entrance. I'm convinced that bees need a great deal of further encouragement to take up a new home other than a box you provide them with.....i.e., the queen and any existing brood or honey-stores. I've learned this from picking up 8 swarms in the past two weeks. After the 3'rd or 4'th, I came back to one of my 'new' hives & carefully pried open the top to see how they had adjusted. ONE sole bee had adjusted very well, with the remainder GONE! I found these about 30-feet away and recaptured them. This time ( and everytime from now on) I'll use a queen excluder on the bottom board. The only problem with this is that you have to be 100% certain that you shake out the queen into your hive! In the past two weeks, I've accidently missed the queen & noticed a substantial bee-buildup on the outside entrance - as if a queen were in the midde. Both times I've removed the queen excluder and examined it to find the queen clinging to the outside! I simply encouraged the queen to drop back into the hive & replaced the excluder - now I have happy new hives again. GOOD LUCK TO THOSE OF YOU COLLECTING SWARMS! >Old post from 2 weeks ago: >----------------------------------------------- >After calling some of the pest-removal services in town, I happened by one which had two calls in a row from home-owners whom were complaining of swarms of bees (Castle Rock, CO). >Free bees? That's for me! >However, upon arrival of both locations, the home-owners BOTH said the bees had begun to swarm on their houses on Sunday and only just today (Tues) had called for help. Too late, unfortunately, as the bees on both locations had found their new home into the eaves of the houses. >I decided to try & see if I couldn't 'coax' one of the larger swarms(hive?) out of their new home, as there seemed to be an extremely large amount of bees coming in for a landing (counted approx. 20-30 every 10 seconds). >There were only two problems: >1) the entrance to the bees is some 40feet up from ground-level >2) I've never done this before (complete novice with only 2 hives!) >I'd read where another beekeeper coaxed a swarm out of a wall using a hive and a frame of brood out of another hive. He simply attached a wire-mesh cone (4" at the wall, down to 1/2" at the far opening) which effectively made a one-way bee-valve --- bees would fly out of the wall, but found it difficult to return. Feeling homeless & lost, the bees would begin work inside of the next best thing - the hive left at the end of the cone which contained the frames of brood & honey. His intention was that the bees would immediately begin raising a new queen. This scheme succeded in drawing all the worker bees out of the wall & robbing the old hive of it's honey over a 30-day period. There might have been more to this than what I remember, though this seemed to be the general idea. >SO, I constructed a cardboard box with 4-5 frames, one consising of comb-honey & a bit of brood from one of my hives. I attached the makeshift hive as close to the entrance of the swarm as possible (approx 5 "). At the opening of the eave, I closed off their entrance with a combination of packing foam (to seal) and a cardboard tube in the middle of the foam which connected the old entrance to the new hive. I figured the bees would have to go through my new hive to gain access to the outside world, or find a new way out of the eave. As well, to keep the bees in the new hive, I made a small version of the "one-way" valve, with a mesh screen cone which narrowed to 1/2" (or so) inside of my hive. >Will this work? >I've figured that the bees will likely suffocate if they don't get enough airflow following the restriction I placed at their entrance. AND, I'm not sure the brood I have in the frame are of the right age to make a new queen, and I'm doubtful the eggs will keep without immediate attention from the bees. There's also the possibility that the bees found a new way into the world via the inside of the house. Wouldn't that be nice? >Since I have VERY LITTLE IDEA of what I'm doing....and am applying a "best guess" at many factors, any help on this guess would be appreciated. >Stay tuned for the follow-up in the next few days. >PS - the 40-foot drop was definately NOT worth the risk, and I'll likely limit future risky adventures to 15 feet or less. >Oh...they were going to kill the bees unless I tried my best effort on getting some/all of the bees out right away - so both the bees & I had very little to lose. The homeowner described the swarm as "blackening" his deck on Sunday, covering a 4' x 6' area. Taking the house apart is NOT an option for this homeowner, and he'll kill the bees if I don't succeed. Article 13221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <359E30FD.D8C87EF4@mis.net> From: michael X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> <359b4a15.821773@news.jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 13:40:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.84 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 06:40:12 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13221 I have heard of a hive in a desert area that had to fly 8 miles to get to the nearest water source. T hat is the furthest I have heard tell of bees flying. Article 13222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!solomon.io.com!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!infoserv.utdallas.edu!biggary From: Gary Cooper Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:50:36 -0500 Organization: The University of Texas at Dallas Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1> <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> NNTP-Posting-Host: infoserv.utdallas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:269630 rec.gardens.edible:12578 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13222 On 3 Jul 1998, Julie R. Wise wrote: > > > >>Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other > > > >>pollinators to a home garden? > > > > Just make them comfortable in your area. In early season there won't be > > much in the garden to attract them but if you have lawn clover, don't mow > > selected areas while it's blooming. > > We actually discovered that the bees like it better when the clover is > mowed. When mowing once last year I just didn't have the heart to cut it > down because there were so many bees working - so I left a patch behind the > barn. During the week we went to watch the bees work and each day we > noticed fewer in the old patch, but where we had mowed there was fresh > clover growing with bees greedily working. I think that each blossom only > has so much nectar, once harvested it's worthless. Cutting the clover once > a week encourages new blossoms to grow and keeps the girls happy. > Maybe it would be optimal to mow half the clover this week, the other half next week, and so on, so the bees always have some fresh clover blossoms available. Gary Article 13223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Turkeys Eat Bees? Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 04:33:54 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6nlpfi$2iu$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <6nerl2$vn6$1@nw003t.infi.net> <6nh4pu$lh1@ednet2.orednet.org> <6nit2l$6rf$1@nw001t.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port30.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13223 jp >> In a previous article, jprice@infi.net (Jack >>Price) says: >> >>>Came upon a small flock of turkeys around an isolated hive I have this >>>afternoon. Just wondered? >>> >>>Jack >>> I raise both turkeys (bronze) and bees. They won't even eat drones when offered. I guess they know by the smell. Greg. Greg // I think, therefore, I bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 13224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:43:42 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> <28BA991AA648BBBE.617B2C740A089214.8CB614422693EE0C@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 899412754 nnrp-01:15514 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13224 In article <28BA991AA648BBBE.617B2C740A089214.8CB614422693EE0C@library- proxy.airnews.net>, Tom writes >How does one know what kind of honey it is? Or where the nectar comes >from? > >Tom >numen@rotfl.com Heather honey is very distictive, and not easily mistaken for anything else. -- Murray McGregor Article 13225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 04:51:58 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <359b081c.5125221@news.jps.net> References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> <28BA991AA648BBBE.617B2C740A089214.8CB614422693EE0C@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.43 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.43 Lines: 28 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.43 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13225 On Wed, 01 Jul 1998 23:03:14 GMT, numen@rotfl.com (Tom) wrote: >How does one know what kind of honey it is? Or where the nectar comes >from? In my case it was Orange honey which is water white in color, has the aroma of Oranges and there were no other nectar sources. >>>How far can bees go to find nectar? >>I know one beekeeper who harvested heather honey last year (not for the >>first time) and the nearest known heather of any quantity to him is 6-7 >>miles away (as the bee flies) I don't make Heather honey but I have heard from the few bee keepers that I have met that have that it is very easy to tell as it is jelly like and can not or is hard to extract when pure... I remember the taste as different also but don't quote me as its been awhile. I also remember the color as brown again I may be a shade or two off on that also. But I will bet you the beekeepers who produce it can tell you. ttul, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6nerl2$vn6$1@nw003t.infi.net> Subject: Re: Wild Turkeys Eat Bees? Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:37:51 +0100 Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-177.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <359b30a0.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!frankfurt.de.uu.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-177.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13226 Jack Price wrote in message <6nerl2$vn6$1@nw003t.infi.net>... >Came upon a small flock of turkeys around an isolated hive I have this >afternoon. Just wondered? > >Jack > We don't have wild turkeys here in Scunthorpe! But sparrows and Starlings have been seen 'bisecting' bees, apparently for the honey/nectar 'inside', and leaving the bee, dead and uneaten! Though I must admit I lhave never seen this, only read about it. However, if Wild Turkeys eat insects, there is probably a likelihood. -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk (edit spamtrap, to reply) www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale photos (c.30) "668, the Neighbour of the Beast" Article 13227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news2.saix.net!mnn.mweb.co.za!196.2.57.196 From: christian@owf.co.za (Christian von Wechmar) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to make Propolis Tincture? Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:25:48 +0200 Organization: One World Film Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: news1.mweb.co.za X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v2.00 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13227 Hi there, I have recently become interested in Propolis as a medicine. I have looked in my dad's beekeeping books but cannot find a recipe to make a propolis tincture. I have also searched the "propolis sites" on the www but it seems that they only want to sell the propolis, not show how it is made. I have gathered some propolis from a vacated hive. What do I do now? I would like to use the Propolis topically and internally. Can someone please point me in the right direction. Any info will be greatly appreciated. I could also use some info on the healing properties of propolis. Is there any www site with proper scientific study info on propolis? Thank you for reading this post. Sincerely, Christian von Wechmar Article 13228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.smart1.net!not-for-mail From: Jack Wesolowski Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 20:33:45 -0400 Organization: Smart Lines: 15 Message-ID: <359EC9E9.624F@freewwweb.com> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1> <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> Reply-To: wesolowski@freewwweb.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-34.max-1.bal.smartworld.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8296 rec.gardens:269698 rec.gardens.edible:12600 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13228 sci.agriculture.fruit:1997 Julie R. Wise wrote: > We actually discovered that the bees like it better when the clover is > mowed. When mowing once last year I just didn't have the heart to cut it > down because there were so many bees working - so I left a patch behind the > barn. During the week we went to watch the bees work and each day we > noticed fewer in the old patch, but where we had mowed there was fresh > clover growing with bees greedily working. I think that each blossom only > has so much nectar, once harvested it's worthless. Cutting the clover once > a week encourages new blossoms to grow and keeps the girls happy. You're lucky you still have bees. I haven't seen many bees since the DDT days. I haven't seen any of those nice orange Italian bees in more than 10 years. What I wouldn't give to hear a nice orange Italian bee humming "O Sole Mia" while doing her pollination. Article 13229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!209.66.157.252!connix.com!usenet From: "Jonathan B. Bishop" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:04:55 -0400 Organization: Connix - The Connecticut Internet Exchange Lines: 47 Message-ID: <6no15e$11h@beast.connix.com> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1> <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> <359EC9E9.624F@freewwweb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.ct8.dyn.connix.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8302 rec.gardens:269770 rec.gardens.edible:12638 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13229 sci.agriculture.fruit:1999 Jack Wesolowski wrote in message <359EC9E9.624F@freewwweb.com>... >Julie R. Wise wrote: > >> We actually discovered that the bees like it better when the clover is >> mowed. >You're lucky you still have bees. I haven't seen many bees since the >DDT days. I haven't seen any of those nice orange Italian bees in more >than 10 years. What I wouldn't give to hear a nice orange Italian bee >humming "O Sole Mia" while doing her pollination. You better take some history lessons, Jack . DDT hasn't been used for probably 30 years. There were plenty of bees then, and have been since, to accomplish pollination of crops. Use of ANY insecticide while there are flowering plants present in the field can severely impact foraging bees, but I suspect the recent shortage of wild bees you have noticed is due to Varroa and Tracheal Mites that attack colonies of Honey Bees. Professional beekeepers are able to treat their hives to control the mites, but wild colonies enjoy no such benefactors. As I understand the problem, there are some bees that are naturally resistant to the mites and over time these survivors will breed resistance into the larger population. We have 2 wild bee colonies living in the wall of one of our barns that seem quite healthy. Regards, Jonathan ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Jonathan Bishop Bishop's Orchards B.W. Bishop & Sons, Inc. Growers of Fine Fruit since 1871 1355 Boston Post Road Phone: (203)453-2338 Guilford, CT 06437 FAX: (203)458-7125 E-mail: jbbishop@connix.com Come visit us on the Web at www.bishopsorchards.com ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Article 13230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jeff1020@aol.com (Jeff 1020) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive thermo-dynamics Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1998070516103900.MAA03706@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jul 1998 16:10:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <359A3886.744E@nt.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13230 Guys when making your own hives the INSIDE demensions are the important ones to maintain. Look in your books for information on bee space. The reason you are getting brace comb is you have made the space too big. I add a 1/2" (12mm I Think) insulation durring winter to help in mantaining heat. Don't cover your hive too tightly bees need to get rid of built up moisture more than keep the whole hive warm (they only need to warm the winter cluster.) Jeff Never willingly make an enemy because you never know when you need a friend Article 13231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <357fd805.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <35887826.0@199.103.243.32> Subject: Re: Filling an empty hive (CONCLUSION) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 15:53:07 +0100 Lines: 46 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-84.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <359f8596.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-84.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13231 Richard D. Hackworth wrote in message <35887826.0@199.103.243.32>... Please post your findings and conclusion >to this experiment. I would like to know your results! > >Richard Hackworth B.S. M.A. Ed. >554 Station Branch >Prestonsburg, Ky 41653 > > >JAF wrote in message <357fd805.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>... Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Turkeys Eat Bees? Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 23:11:55 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6nerl2$vn6$1@nw003t.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 899644547 nnrp-03:762 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13232 In article <6nerl2$vn6$1@nw003t.infi.net>, Jack Price writes >Came upon a small flock of turkeys around an isolated hive I have this >afternoon. Just wondered? Get the barbie going. All the ingredients for honey roast turkey. -- Tom S Article 13233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: phoenix@aug.com (Stanton A Hershman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: waxmoth Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 23:34:51 GMT Organization: Phoenix Lines: 23 Message-ID: <35a20d18.1474489787@news.aug.com> Reply-To: phoenix@aug.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.71.206 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 899681802 OCZ7E7JIA47CED11BC usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13233 anyone got a sure fire way to get the wax moth larvae out of a hive only one hive is being bothered and it is driving me nuts like having a guest in your home with unsavory habits and refuses to go somewhere else best regards stanton If the government has no knowledge of aliens, then why does Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code of Federal Regulations, implemented on July 16, 1969, make it illegal for U.S. citizens to have any contact with extraterrestrials or their vehicles? If you can remain calm, you just don't have all the facts. WEBPAGE: http://userpages.aug.com/phoenix Article 13234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3598C108.BE73ECD1@leuko.biomed.cas.cz> <3598E62F.52443774@sympatico.ca> <01bda506$5e78be00$878721a1@toddpc> Subject: Re: Epi-Pen or Ana-Kit price Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:46:32 -0400 Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-user-24.mcn.hom.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-user-24.mcn.hom.net Message-ID: <35a04942.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.pagesat.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news1.mid-ga.com!pm3-1-user-24.mcn.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13234 WOW! Where? Chip todd wrote in message <01bda506$5e78be00$878721a1@toddpc>... >I got one for $15 US. Article 13235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: waxmoth Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 02:32:28 -0700 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <35A099AC.58A0@juno.com> References: <35a20d18.1474489787@news.aug.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.236 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 899728087 OCZ7E7JIA4FECCDD8C usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: phoenix@aug.com Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!newsfeed.yosemite.net!agate!logbridge.uoregon.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13235 can't say it's sure fire, but you can try the biocontrol "certan" (bacillus thurengensis),available from "beeworks" and maybe others...it's labor intensive but can be used directly on bees without harm, may just help turn the tide if you can reduce hive volume/increase population density by removing/freezing extra supers. good luck, and beeware the african small hive beetle mimicry of some wax moth damage symptoms! Article 13236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Missing bees Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998070615112100.LAA12299@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Jul 1998 15:11:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6nqna5$ohl$1@winter.news.erols.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13236 seal the bee feeders with bees wax beeswax won't hurt the bees Article 13237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: "John D'Amico" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Missing bees Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:33:51 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6nqna5$ohl$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-170-129.s2.as1.hmt.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 899735685 25141 207.172.170.129 (6 Jul 1998 14:34:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13237 I have two questions that perhaps someone can help me with. The first is-- a strong two brood chamber hive with no diseases suddenly left for no apparent reason. When I tor the hive down yesterday there were no stores, and no sign of disease. This hive had swarmed earlier in the year. Is it possible that they swarmed again and left nothing behind? The other four hives are all doing very well. Could it have been because there is too much competion from the other hives and they just decide to leave? My second question is-- I have some hive feeders that leak now after several seasons of use. Could I use a Dow silicone and let it cure well before using it? Or will this hurt the bees, it appears to be inert when cured. Thanks for any help, John Article 13238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Epi-Pen or Ana-Kit price Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998070617274600.NAA25961@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Jul 1998 17:27:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35a04942.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13238 I don't know where Chip got his, but I paid $15.95 for mine last one last year at a Bi Mart chain store (Northwest). Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:57:06 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 57 Message-ID: <35A16451.B07C037A@valley.net> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1> <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-121.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:270061 rec.gardens.edible:12766 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13239 Gary Cooper wrote: > On 3 Jul 1998, Julie R. Wise wrote: > > > > > >>Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other > > > > >>pollinators to a home garden? > > > > > > Just make them comfortable in your area. In early season there won't be > > > much in the garden to attract them but if you have lawn clover, don't mow > > > selected areas while it's blooming. > > > > We actually discovered that the bees like it better when the clover is > > mowed. When mowing once last year I just didn't have the heart to cut it > > down because there were so many bees working - so I left a patch behind the > > barn. During the week we went to watch the bees work and each day we > > noticed fewer in the old patch, but where we had mowed there was fresh > > clover growing with bees greedily working. I think that each blossom only > > has so much nectar, once harvested it's worthless. Cutting the clover once > > a week encourages new blossoms to grow and keeps the girls happy. > > > Maybe it would be optimal to mow half the clover this week, the other half > next week, and so on, so the bees always have some fresh clover blossoms > available. > > Gary what i found was that, in the three weeks of its existence, i got continuous blooming in the patch that i didn't mow, as well as new blooms in the rest of the lawn. maybe it was because of all the rain we've had in the past few weeks. maybe i just didn't leave it standing long enough to exhaust the bloom. whatever the reason, it was the best of both worlds. i finally had to mow the patch i had left standing this past weekend. unfortunately, the jungle started its inexorable encroachment into my entropically restricted domain. taller plants - daisies, raspberry bushes, even saplings - began sprouting with wild abandon. i actually felt sad mowing down my little ecological experiment. in the process i had to shoo a handful of beautiful wood frogs out of their bountiful hunting grounds. i think i shall repeat this experiment next year, clover willing. all in all, i felt a bit like one of the early ecologists, who studied their little corner of the universe in primitive isolation and then wrote a book about it for latter generations to take to heart. as i mowed the last of the clover asunder i thought, 'Should _I_ write a book about my environmentally enlightening experience, a book that will, perchance, instill a love of nature [especially bees] in others, leading them to a happier, healthier, simpler and more fulfilling existence?" then i shook my head, went inside, nuked some popcorn and watched a video. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 13240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: MNichols Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What to do? Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:17:28 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6nrm1g$6qb@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.96.83 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13240 Oh, gosh, have I got a problem! From time to time, I am an onlooker to this newsgroup. Never kept bees, don't know if I can, but here's my problem: My daughter and family just got back from a trip to Scotland. My son visited her on their return. Today my son, who lives with us, returned home while I was gone, and went on to work. When I came home, I found a box of Heather Honeys in the refrigerator -- "A selection of Fine Handmade Chocolates with Scottish Heather Honey in Rich Chocolate Centers." Now, I KNOW those chocolates are for ME, but I won't be able to talk to my son until after 11 p.m. Shall I open the package, or shall I have to wait several hours for the actual confirmation that they are MINE, MINE, MINE? M NIchols rmnichols@worldnet.att.net Article 13241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bmed137@aol.com (BMed137) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do? Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998070623343700.TAA11588@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Jul 1998 23:34:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6nrm1g$6qb@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13241 My advice is to savor the anticipation and wait until your son can be contacted! Just think how you'd feel if you ate them all, just to find out they were for your son's boss? Anticipation, in my opinion, is the best part of a present. Then, when ownership is confirmed, dive into them with gusto! And shame on your son for putting you in such a sweet predicament! A note attached to said box would have avoided the problem. Article 13242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do? Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 20:34:00 -0700 Organization: InterNet Kingston Lines: 19 Message-ID: <35A19728.54@kingston.net> References: <6nrm1g$6qb@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: gk3-206.47.80.29.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: gollum.kingston.net 899768669 13949 206.47.80.29 (6 Jul 1998 23:44:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1998 23:44:29 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13242 MNichols wrote: > > Oh, gosh, have I got a problem! > > From time to time, I am an onlooker to this newsgroup. Never kept bees, don't know if I > can, but here's my problem: My daughter and family just got back from a trip to > Scotland. My son visited her on their return. Today my son, who lives with us, returned > home while I was gone, and went on to work. When I came home, I found a box of Heather > Honeys in the refrigerator -- "A selection of Fine Handmade Chocolates with Scottish > Heather Honey in Rich Chocolate Centers." > > Now, I KNOW those chocolates are for ME, but I won't be able to talk to my son until > after 11 p.m. Shall I open the package, or shall I have to wait several hours for the > actual confirmation that they are MINE, MINE, MINE? > > M NIchols rmnichols@worldnet.att.net Eat them and deny everything!!!!!! Article 13243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.3.65.3!news.indy.net!not-for-mail From: Mary Ann Elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Failing Hive Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 20:52:16 +0000 Organization: IndyNet Lines: 23 Message-ID: <35A13900.5553@in.net> Reply-To: mae@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip91-91.ts.indy.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13243 We have a problem, we ordered a Buckfast package and it took off. We had to but a Honey supra on top because it was way overcrowded. That's the good news. Now for the problem. We also ordered a package of Itlaians. first we found no queen and No eegs after a week. We ordered a New queen. Once again we found no queen and a few larve that are hatching but no eggs. Any suggestions about what we should do at this point? We see no signs of deseases and what few bees there are are active little girls. They are bringing in Honey and pollen but there are no new ones. We feel we have several options but are asking for advice on what to do. Option one: Do nothing. (We don't like this option.) Option two: Buy a new queen and try to introduce another one. (This didn't work the last time) Option three: Put in a brood comb from the Buckfast hive and hope they make a new queen. My wife and I are having a disagreement on wether there is a laying worker. We are new at this so any help wopuld be appreciated! Tobi Article 13244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.221.240.3!beaker.tor.sfl.net!news.rdc1.on.wave.home.com!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <35A2143E.6FBDBB41@wave.home.com> From: "neil.carter" Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Coating Extractor Interior Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 12:29:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: cs568521-a.sshe1.sk.wave.home.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 05:29:35 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13244 There were some articles on coating the interior of an extractor, which I failed to save. Can anyone help ? I want to make sure I have no contaminants. Article 13245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6nrm1g$6qb@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: What to do? Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:00:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-33.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35a1c1d2.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-33.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13245 MNichols wrote in message <6nrm1g$6qb@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... >Oh, gosh, have I got a problem! dilemma cut...... >MINE, MINE, MINE? They're chocolate. They've got Heather Honey. They're in YOUR fridge. What was the question? Oh, yes....EAT them....I would.... hth-- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk (edit spamtrap, to reply) www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale photos (c.30) "668, the Neighbour of the Beast" Article 13246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beatle Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 2 Message-ID: <440-35A27153-11@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <438-35A26CE7-49@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQhg/sCHwT87JJzU5yoSLN3e3+0zwIVALq897xb/xPRdXqC4I151no7YtSb Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13246 This meeting was in Florida. Article 13247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small Hive Beatle Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <438-35A26CE7-49@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAmj9m4kYhCYoZUD69zvrxDlYq4ucCFQCEfZBCdNhzjQ2tgwdPCkWen80rnA== Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13247 Just returned from B-meeting about the Beatle. The quarnteen is still on for 30 more days . There seems to be no meens for control. The effects in some yards seem to be verry bad. As far as I could tell the beatle was idenified in June after 10's of 1000's of hives were shiped all over the U.S. The quarnteen can not last much longer we have to get to the next flow. If any ? I' try to answer . Article 13248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: seperating wax from honey? Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1998070723160500.TAA10960@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Jul 1998 23:16:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35A29B10.36DF@saltspring.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13248 The easiest way is to pour the honey through a sieve to get all the big chunks and bee parts out and then pour it through nylon pantie hose (a quilt ring and board with a slightly smaller hole that the ring will keep you from having to hold it for a long time) as a filter. This will give you clear clean sparkling honey that you will be real proud to share or sell. Oh, they pantie hose will S T R E A C H quite long when it's filled with honey, and if it is use hose, you shold wash it well first unles you really want a unique honey taste. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35A29B10.36DF@saltspring.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 15:02:57 -0700 From: stephen ball Reply-To: sball@saltspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: seperating wax from honey? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.71 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.71 X-Trace: 7 Jul 1998 15:05:53 -0800, 204.244.138.71 Lines: 2 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!nntp1.crl.com!news.compuvar.com!204.244.138.71 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13249 Have just extracted but have lotsa wax in honey.Any easy method to seperate the two?Heat maybe. thanx stephen ball Article 13250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: MNichols Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do? Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 19:28:57 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6nuei2$rgd@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <6nrm1g$6qb@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.96.115 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13250 Not to prolong the suspense. YES, the chocolates were for me, but I didn't find out until morning. Well, I never eat chocolate in the morning, somehow I have this belief chocolate consumed early in the day is a shock to the system. (Now, honey in the morning -- that's a different matter, and probably very good for the system.) So, I desisted, and it wasn't until this afternoon, after spending the day in a court mediation program, trying to convince unreasonable folks to behave in a reasonable manner, that I came home and indulged in the first piece -- the Orange Parfait (orange pieces, fruit juice and Heather Honey in a smooth white chocolate). Thank you, Scottish beekeepers, every morsel was out of this world! M Nichols rmnichols@worldnet.att.net Article 13251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Coating Extractor Interior Lines: 30 Message-ID: <1998070723103900.TAA10203@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Jul 1998 23:10:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35A2143E.6FBDBB41@wave.home.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13251 I'm assuming that you are talking about a galvanized extractor and not a stainless steel unit (which would not need any coating), and that your extractor in not rusted too bad. The only reason to coat a galvanized extractor in reasonible condition is to meet some state's honey house regulations. If honey is STORED in galvanized equipment, there is a small chance that over an extended period, it could leach a little zinc into the honey. There is also the potential concern that most galvanized equipment was soldered with lead-based solder and this could also leach into honey over an extended period (some SS equipemnt has solder seams as well). The real reason is that they want to "draw a hard line" between old sub-standard honey houses and nice new ones. If you are not selling your honey through a retail distribution system, not storing honey in galvanized tanks, and your state regs don't threaten you with death if you don't coat your extractor - just clean it up and use it and all of your honey will be just fine for your own and family consumption. But if you decided that you need to coat it, just use a food-grade expoy paint (the paint lable will say if it is food-grade). Here in Oregon, they only make you coat the tank and not the cage or dirve unit (see above for the logic). A rusted old galvanized extractor can be salavaged with naval jelly treatments - just be real sure that you scrub out the final time with a very weak lye solution (be sure to wear protection and I don't mean a condom), and rinse, rinse, rinse. It might be a good idea to epoxy coat a extractor so treated, or just take the whole thing to a electro-plater and have it regalvanized. Somewhere on my web site is the basic requirements for honey houses in Oregon. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 13252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nntp.upenn.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: "Julie R. Wise" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: 8 Jul 1998 01:18:36 GMT Organization: The Macaw's Roost Lines: 16 Message-ID: <01bdaa1f$df3a7420$a9f135ce@spooky> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1> <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> <359EC9E9.624F@freewwweb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: and-004-9.iquest.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8316 rec.gardens:270260 rec.gardens.edible:12858 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13252 sci.agriculture.fruit:2012 Jack Wesolowski wrote in article <359EC9E9.624F@freewwweb.com>... > You're lucky you still have bees. I haven't seen many bees since the > DDT days. I haven't seen any of those nice orange Italian bees in more > than 10 years. What I wouldn't give to hear a nice orange Italian bee > humming "O Sole Mia" while doing her pollination. > I thought I heard 'La Done e Mobile', but I could be mistaken! ;-) -- Julie east central Indiana USA Article 13253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nntp.upenn.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: "Julie R. Wise" Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: 8 Jul 1998 01:17:22 GMT Organization: The Macaw's Roost Lines: 31 Message-ID: <01bdaa1f$b329a180$a9f135ce@spooky> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1> <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> NNTP-Posting-Host: and-004-9.iquest.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:270262 rec.gardens.edible:12859 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13253 Gary Cooper wrote in article ... > > Maybe it would be optimal to mow half the clover this week, the other half > next week, and so on, so the bees always have some fresh clover blossoms > available. > > Gary Fortunately, what few neighbors we have also believe in feeding our bees (in the hopes of scoring a pint or two of honey). There is always clover available within flying range. We also discovered that they love our pickle & cucumber patch! I even saw one girl sniffing out the dill flowers, but she moved on. There's a wild mint that blooms in mid-summer that they appear to like even more than the clover, which is keeping them busy. As the summer wears on the couple of hundred acres of soy beans surrounding us will give them another crop to work! It's been a strange summer with heavy rains and then unusual heat, but there's enough variety to keep them going. We seem to have lost a queen in one hive (frame after frame covered with drone cells) but the other five are doing well. Which reminds me...is it too late to re-queen or should we wait until next spring? Thanks, -- Julie east central Indiana USA Article 13254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Lines: 38 Message-ID: <1998070802432300.WAA12989@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Jul 1998 02:43:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bdaa1f$b329a180$a9f135ce@spooky> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13254 From: "Julie R. Wise" >We also discovered that they love our pickle & cucumber patch! I'm probably belaboring a point, but cucurbits are highly attractive to honeybees, yet lots of folks seem to have the idea that, when they don't see honeybees, they need to find some magic flower to "attract" them. If they aren't on cucurbits, there simply aren't any honeybees around, and the only way to "attract" them is to attract a beekeeper, or keep bees. > We seem to have lost a queen in one hive (frame after >frame covered with drone cells) but the other five are doing well. >Which reminds me...is it too late to re-queen or should we wait until next >spring? If your queen is gone, or laying only drone eggs, you are about to lose the hive. Don't wait. Either combine them with one of the good hives, or give them a couple frames of brood, making sure they have some eggs from which to raise a queen, and some sealed brood (to have some young bees to care for the queen). It's not too late to requeen, but if you do that, you risk losing her, as most of the worker bees may now be old bees, too old to accept a queen. You can avoid the risk by letting them raise one from brood, or you can reduce the risk to a boughten queen by also giving the hive some brood, so you'll have more young bees for acceptance. For your good hives, late summer or early fall is an excellent time to requeen. Make sure they have a nectar flow going when you do it, and you'll have a high acceptance rate. Then you'll have her laying in time to give you lots of young bees for good wintering. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 13255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Failing Hive Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:54:08 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6nurun$6sq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <35A13900.5553@in.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.81.179 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13255 Mary Ann Elmore wrote in message <35A13900.5553@in.net>... >snip >Now for the problem. We also ordered a package of Itlaians. first we >found no queen and No eegs after a week. We ordered a New queen. Once >again we found no queen and a few larve that are hatching but no eggs. How long have you waited? I have a very hard time seeing eggs and very young larva. Are you sure there is no queen? >snip >We feel we have several options but are asking for advice on what to do. > >Option one: Do nothing. (We don't li