From joylsoc@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:32:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: joylsoc@aol.com (JOYLSOC) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment for sale Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jul 1999 04:16:49 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990703001649.07918.00005170@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19071 What are you asking; shipping, etc. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:32:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-238.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie info Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 23:26:55 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.ee X-Server-Date: 3 Jul 1999 05:30:25 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:142 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19072 In article , "Jeff" wrote: > I am looking into getting into beekeeping. Pros/cons money involved > potential profit. Any info would be greatly appreciated. I started with two books: "First Lessons in Beekeeping" from Dadant and Sons, and "Beekeeping- A Pracitcal Guide" by Richard Bonney. Others here, with years more experience than me, strongly recommend "The Hive and the Honeybee." -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From stoneacres@netscape.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Honey Man" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Newbie info Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <%6pf3.5445$I72.594632@nnrp1.ptd.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 14:29:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.108 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 931012155 204.186.180.108 (Sat, 03 Jul 1999 10:29:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 10:29:15 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:143 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19073 Jeff If you are considering bees for profit, you should look into doing pollination for orchards. Pollination is guaranteed money. Honey prices have started to fall back into the .50 per lb. range, and it is hard to make money at that price, with all of the medications and work needed by the bees. For more info check out this website - www.draperbee.com Good luck! Royal Jeff wrote in message ... >I am looking into getting into beekeeping. Pros/cons money involved >potential profit. Any info would be greatly appreciated. > > From stoneacres@netscape.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!diablo.cs.uofs.edu!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Honey Man" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <930825938.846.19@news.remarQ.com> Subject: Re: Honey Bottle Source Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 14:39:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.108 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 931012749 204.186.180.108 (Sat, 03 Jul 1999 10:39:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 10:39:09 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19074 We sell plastic 8 oz., 1 lb. bottles and Bears for honey. Here is a link to our site www.draperbee.com Call me if have any questions. Royal Draper 800-233-4273 draperb@ptd.net David James wrote in message <930825938.846.19@news.remarQ.com>... >Does anyone know of a manufacturer/factory source for plastic bottles >suitable for bottling honey. Also which size of bottle of honey sells the >best for you? > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie info Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:12:07 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7lkuh9$29ps$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-15.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931003753 75580 209.130.165.15 (3 Jul 1999 12:09:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jul 1999 12:09:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19075 Find someone in the business and work with them for awhile. Attend as many beekeeping meetings as you can (you owe it to ourself and the industry) and there you will be able to make contacts with other beekeepers in your area...talk to them...they can provide the best information. You can read all the books you want but the best knowledge will come from hands-on experience. --Busybee Jeff wrote in message ... >I am looking into getting into beekeeping. Pros/cons money involved >potential profit. Any info would be greatly appreciated. > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: we've been adopted Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:21:57 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7lkv3n$2828$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990702203123.20596.00003742@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-15.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931004343 73800 209.130.165.15 (3 Jul 1999 12:19:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jul 1999 12:19:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19076 That's great that they chose you! Unless you want the committment to manage this swarm, I would call a beekeeper in your area to come and get them. If you have your heart set in keeping them in your yard, maybe you can make a deal with the beekeep to hive the swarm for you and he/she can work with you to get to know the bees and the involvement of managing a hive. There is more here than meets the eye. --Busybee SunnyDiane wrote in message <19990702203123.20596.00003742@ng-cl1.aol.com>... >A swarm of honey bees have set up housekeeping in the eave of our house. We >like having them around, just not necessarily in that location. My husband >built a bee box, but think he was too late in getting it out. We live in >northwest Washington state-- will the bees stay here all winter or do they >migrate somewhere warmer? How do we encourage them to move into the bee box >and if we do succeed in getting them to move, can we then move the bee box to a >protected location that isn't right by the front door? Any advise will "bee" >appreciated. SunnyDiane From eford@ipa.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.218.170.35!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "j.b.ford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2 queens? Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 14:15:43 -0500 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7lln7p$6kt$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-2-39.bat.ipa.net X-Trace: news.ipa.net 931029049 6813 207.13.33.39 (3 Jul 1999 19:10:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ipa.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jul 1999 19:10:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19077 i just found a hive with one queen above the excluder and one below with one super of honey between the brood. how common is this? -- j.b.ford From h.tait@home.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7lgr8i$foh$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990701231715.14796.00000711@ng-xa1.aol.com> <377C4478.5D4D@midwest.net> Subject: Re: queen replacement Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:14:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 931032856 24.65.132.209 (Sat, 03 Jul 1999 13:14:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 13:14:16 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19078 I hear the devil comes in all shapes , sizes and genders. He is the master of lies and illusion. At this point I am bailing out. lolotf hugh Boschman hughes Apiaries AL wrote in message news:377C4478.5D4D@midwest.net... > LauraMLeek wrote: > > > > NO, I think Hugh was right.........The devil himself. > > > NO, I think George has a point, at least biologically. Then again, I > think he has a point.... > > > AL From gwoods@albany.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: gwoods@albany.net (Gary Woods) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queens? Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:39:28 GMT Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 16 Message-ID: <377e7472.84166854@news.monmouth.com> References: <7lln7p$6kt$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm7p9.albany.albany.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19079 "j.b.ford" wrote: > i just found a hive with one queen above the excluder and one below with >one super of honey between the brood. how common is this? More common than you think: I recall a thread here on that subject, and apparently a second queen is not at all uncommon, especially when the first one is getting a little "long in the tooth." We don't often tumble to it, because, "There she is; brood pattern looks good; on to the next hive." -- Gary Woods O- K2AHC Public keys at www.albany.net/~gwoods, or get 0x1D64A93D via keyserver gwoods@albany.net gwoods@wrgb.com fingerprint = E2 6F 50 93 7B C7 F3 CA 1F 8B 3C C0 B0 28 68 0B From Fivepoint@webtv.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Fivepoint@webtv.net (Daniel Restle) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAiv2qvjiZyBiBeEkMnp9N4GA6jwMCFCRwSix1lRcuD1nz+lxKfqT9CX/X Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19080 Who is Martha Stewart !!!!! Picture Julia Child in spandex on speed From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Jul 7 06:33:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jul 1999 21:01:03 GMT References: <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990703170103.19825.00001529@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19081 >Picture Julia Child in spandex on Yeah but Julia is talented. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From tenmoku@webtv.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: we've been adopted Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 9 Message-ID: <12606-377E8CE2-4@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <19990702203123.20596.00003742@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAp+A8vFuD+8h9PgHB/uT7jthkM08CFQCHm1XJQaNCJY3jAvTZcuYmTZcvKw== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19082 Are the bees nesting or are they still in a swarm? They may be a little challenge to move if they are inside and already building comb. They are more difficult because honey, wax and other products of a hive become a part of your home. This location will always be attractive to bees in the future. They will stay in their new home if they are protected from elements and as long as they can keep the mites off them. From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-tele!easynet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queen replacement Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 22:02:12 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7lm4od$2fq$1@gxsn.com> References: <7lgr8i$foh$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990701231715.14796.00000711@ng-xa1.aol.com> <377C4478.5D4D@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.133.246 X-Trace: 931042893 1NNUCNF1G85F6C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19083 Perhaps the devil itself !!? Chris AL wrote in message <377C4478.5D4D@midwest.net>... >LauraMLeek wrote: >> >> NO, I think Hugh was right.........The devil himself. > > >NO, I think George has a point, at least biologically. Then again, I >think he has a point.... > > >AL From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.85!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr2.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <377EAB68.751B6730@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Laahdeefreakindaaah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Seeking info about the "other" mite strips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:31:42 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.169.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.twcny.rr.com 931047739 24.95.169.104 (Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:22:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:22:19 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19084 1. Some years ago there appeared an alternative to Apistan on the U.S. market ("Miticur" I think; not sure of the name) and it was pulled fairly soon after. It hasn't been made available again since, AFAIK. a few questions: Weren't these strips supposed to treat both mites? Was the active varroacide fluvalinate, just as in Apistan? What was the anti-acarine ingredient? and Why was it so quickly taken off the market? 2. Recently one of the guys at Dadant told me of yet another mite-strip being used these days. At least by some large commercial outfits in parts of the South. Something more potent against varroa -- not sure what the active chemical is, but he candidly described it as "nasty." Is such a strip available, having been approved? Name? Or must the majority of us proceed right on to formic acid... (This has all probably been hashed over to death on the ng, but if someone could give me a brief rundown I'd appreciate it.) many thanks From beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking info about the "other" mite strips Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 21:21:22 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 10 Message-ID: <377EB712.2B9759EE@kingston.net> References: <377EAB68.751B6730@twcny.rr.com> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.112 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 01:19:20 GMT X-Trace: 931051160.584.8 QANSHOMNI3470CDD2C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19085 Hi Joel, The product that is out now in the United States is called Checkmite+. It is used against varroa and the small hive beetle and is manufactured by Bayer. They say the compound has been used by European beekeepers since the 1980's to fight varroa. For more information call 1-800-233-6663 or 1-800-880-7694. And NY is approved to use it. Good luck. Kent From jason71@usit.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: "Jason Wilson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: aggressive hive! Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 02:58:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.144.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 931057121 216.80.144.132 (Sat, 03 Jul 1999 22:58:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 22:58:41 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19086 I have just been in the hobby for a short time and I have a strange thing going on! I have a hive the grew quite rapidly from a package started in April. Right now the hive is 2 brood boxes (FULL) plus 1 shallow super (beginning to draw comb). Now for my question! These bees are very aggressive on some days, to the point you can't even get in the bee yard without getting stung. Other days you can work them bare handed. First, does this hive need to be split with 2 new queens? Or would requeening it as is work? Second, would the scent of other bee on the gloves and bee jacket cause this reaction? Someone please help, these bees are stinging the hell out of me! (7 Today) Didn't even open that hive! Jason Wilson To reply e-mail, remove Percent Sign Jason%@cococo.net From mdiver@voy.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!typ21b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lye or Bleach? From: mdiver@voy.net (vger) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.42.171.79 X-Trace: typ21b.nn.bcandid.com 931060403 209.42.171.79 (Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:53:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:53:23 EDT Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 03:53:23 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19087 I know that lye works for taking care of AFB by killing th spore. So wouldn't bleach work also in a 10 to 1 ratio? That ratio works for killing the HIV virus, it seems to me that it should work for AFB also. Does anyone have any Idea if it would work or not? From lithar@midwest.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 22:38:12 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 13 Message-ID: <377ED724.C2F@midwest.net> References: <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.16 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 03:53:22 GMT X-Trace: 931060402.068.35 JF3D7GB4M1C10D0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19088 Daniel Restle wrote: > > Who is Martha Stewart !!!!! > Picture Julia Child in spandex on speed Hey, thats not fair to Julia... bon appetite AL From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-160.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 21:54:16 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.a0 X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 1999 03:55:10 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19089 In article , "Jason Wilson" wrote: > Someone please help, these bees are stinging the hell out of me! > (7 Today) Didn't even open that hive! Damn. Are you wearing gloves and netting? Even a bee suit? Where are you located? I wonder if some Africanized drones may have mated with your queen, thus producing more aggressive workers. I'm a novice, so this is pure speculation. I'm still yet to be stung by my girls, though! ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From pollinator@aol.comnospam Wed Jul 7 06:33:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 04:03:50 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704000350.15120.00000611@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19090 >I have a hive the grew quite rapidly from a package started in >April. Right now the hive is 2 brood boxes (FULL) plus 1 shallow super >(beginning to draw comb). > Now for my question! These bees are very aggressive on some days, to >the point you can't even get in the bee yard without getting stung. Sounds like a hive that is doing very well, and filled up its boxes so full that it's getting crowded. Any hive that is crowded is apt to be snotty. Are you seeing lots of burr comb being built? Burr comb is a warning that the hive is too crowded, especially if it's on the bottom of the cover. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From timjk@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: timjk@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Exluder??? Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 04:05:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.90.101 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jul 04 04:05:53 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.90.101 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19091 It's only been a day since I've added my super and queen excluder but the bees have'nt passed through it yet. Should I bee getting excited about this or just give them some more time? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lye or Bleach? Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 04:42:24 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704004224.12476.00003731@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19092 >work for AFB also. Does anyone have >any Idea if it would work or not? > the afb spore has survived in the lab for 50+ years now, it is assumed by researchers that an atomic blast might kill it. no my friend, clorox will not work ethelenedibromide fumigation, scorching maybe, lye boiling more possibly but not bleach. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:15 EDT 1999 Article: 19093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 04:47:11 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704004711.12476.00003735@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19093 > Right now the hive is 2 brood boxes (FULL) plus 1 shallow super >(begin >Now for my question! These bees are very aggressive on some days, to >the put a little rock under the back of the top cover,gives em some more ventilation put up a scare crow about 6 - 8 feet in front of the hive, make sure there is plenty of movement like sleeves blowing in the wind and realize that like you bees have bad days wear light clothing, no fancy shampoos or cologne Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 05:43:37 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704014337.28957.00008770@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19094 I remember reading in a beginning beekeeping book that package bees are good to start new beekeepers with because a new small colony is gentle and easy to work with -- however, as a hive grows bigger, it becomes more aggressive. (I'm a first-year beekeeper too.) My thriving hive of package bees that I started in early April has become quite aggressive. Sometimes bees seem to just take after me for no reason. It could just be that your hive has reached that point in its development, and learning to live with such hives is a fact of beekeeper existence. From Amschelp@pe.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Bob was Rong Message-ID: Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.219 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 931067692 216.100.28.219 (Sun, 04 Jul 1999 01:54:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 01:54:52 EDT Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 22:59:35 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19095 Bee Bob said that the bees in the honey super would move down into the top bar hive if I just kept feeding them. I have been feeding them and they have been doing fine progressing nicely but they still haven't gone down to live in the top bar hive. They check it out, of course, and walk around in it, but they haven't started drawing comb down there, and not many are even going in there. In colonies I've had before they always progress from the bottom to the top, not from the top to the bottom, but who am I to doubt Bee Bob? Maybe I will remove the honey super and remove the top bars and then lay two wooden slats along the top bar hive so that the honey super frames will be able to be hung down into the top bar hive. Right now the top of the top bar hive is too wide to suspend the frames, so with the slats I can make it fit and then I'll just hang the honey super frames in the top bar hive. I will then fill in the open space with top bars and put the empty honey super back on top of the top bar hive. I wonder how the bees will like them apples? From honeybs@radix.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 10:58:13 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7lng5b$l29$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19096 "Jason Wilson" wrote: >I have just been in the hobby for a short time and I have a strange thing >going on! I have a hive the grew quite rapidly from a package started in >April. Right now the hive is 2 brood boxes (FULL) plus 1 shallow super >(beginning to draw comb). > Now for my question! These bees are very aggressive on some days, to >the point you can't even get in the bee yard without getting stung. Other >days you can work them bare handed. First, does this hive need to be split >with 2 new queens? Or would requeening it as is work? Second, would the >scent of other bee on the gloves and bee jacket cause this reaction? > Someone please help, these bees are stinging the hell out of me! >(7 Today) Didn't even open that hive! >Jason Wilson >To reply e-mail, remove Percent Sign Jason%@cococo.net You didn't give your location. If the honey flow has slowed down for the summer the bees tend to protect what they stored in the spring. In the summer a lot of flowers only produce nectar early in the morning. Work the bees then. Once the flowers shut down, the foragers all come home in a rather pissed off state of mind. Requeening with a very gentle stock like New World Carniolans will solve the problem reguardless. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 07:51:54 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Message-ID: <377F4ADA.DF0A946@kingston.net> References: Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.140 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 11:49:58 GMT X-Trace: 931088998.217.51 QANSHOMNI348CCDD2C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19097 Hi Jason, The group has covered the main reasons for a hive to be aggressive. Since you didn't give your location it makes it a little more difficult for the group to narrow it down. One thing that happened to me the last few years is skunks started to visit the hives at night. My ussually nice quite hives became quite aggitated when I opened them. Not to the piont of stinging me but I knew something was wrong. I'm located in Ontario and since there are plenty of grubs for the skunks to eat still, they haven't bothered the hives yet. I got rid of 5 two years ago and 2 last year. I'm not saying you have skunks, but just keep your eyes open for evidence of intruders. Kent Stienburg From honeybs@radix.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking info about the "other" mite strips Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 10:50:00 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 64 Message-ID: <7lnflv$l29$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <377EAB68.751B6730@twcny.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19098 JGinNY wrote: >1. Some years ago there appeared an alternative to Apistan on the U.S. >market ("Miticur" I think; not sure of the name) and it was pulled >fairly soon after. It hasn't been made available again since, AFAIK. >a few questions: >Weren't these strips supposed to treat both mites? Yes. >Was the active varroacide fluvalinate, just as in Apistan? No. >What was the anti-acarine ingredient? Amitraz. >Why was it so quickly taken off the market? Supposably it was pulled because some bees were killed by the strips. Beekeepers were also buying and cutting up cattle collars that were identical. The only people buying cattle collars were beekeepers and they pulled the collars as well. Personally I think they pulled it because the mites become resistant to Amitraz so quickly. Two years and they have adapted, at least that was my experience here. This is also the reason few beekeepers use Tactic anymore to treat for varroa. >2. Recently one of the guys at Dadant told me of yet another mite-strip >being used these days. At least by some large commercial outfits in >parts of the South. Something more potent against varroa -- not sure >what the active chemical is, but he candidly described it as "nasty." >Is such a strip available, having been approved? Name? Or must the >majority of us proceed right on to formic acid... This might be Bayer Bee Strips produced by the Bayer Company. We have a EPA section 18 for them here in Maryland. The active ingredient is Coumaphos and it works against the hive beetle as well. >(This has all probably been hashed over to death on the ng, but if >someone could give me a brief rundown I'd appreciate it.) >many thanks Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 06:21:48 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-103.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931087135 49462 209.130.165.103 (4 Jul 1999 11:18:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 1999 11:18:55 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19099 Usually, the bees are into a newly added super in a matter of minutes. Did you add a box of undrawn foundation? Sometimes you need to entice them with a few frames of drawn comb (better with a little honey and pollen in it). Sometimes it does take a little longer...do you have strong bees in the bottom super(s)? I can tell a nice strong hive when the top cover is popped there is a collective "surprised" hum that's hard to miss. Gosh, that is a nice sound... --Busybee timjk@my-deja.com wrote in message <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >It's only been a day since I've added my super and queen excluder >but the bees have'nt passed through it yet. Should I bee getting >excited about this or just give them some more time? > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.50.235.254!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 06:12:49 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7lnfe4$29l8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-103.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931086596 75432 209.130.165.103 (4 Jul 1999 11:09:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 1999 11:09:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19100 Mark that hive for a definate re-queening. IMO, come fall stings pack more punch, too! --Busybee Jason Wilson wrote in message ... >I have just been in the hobby for a short time and I have a strange thing >going on! I have a hive the grew quite rapidly from a package started in >April. Right now the hive is 2 brood boxes (FULL) plus 1 shallow super >(beginning to draw comb). > Now for my question! These bees are very aggressive on some days, to >the point you can't even get in the bee yard without getting stung. Other >days you can work them bare handed. First, does this hive need to be split >with 2 new queens? Or would requeening it as is work? Second, would the >scent of other bee on the gloves and bee jacket cause this reaction? > Someone please help, these bees are stinging the hell out of me! >(7 Today) Didn't even open that hive! > > >Jason Wilson >To reply e-mail, remove Percent Sign Jason%@cococo.net > > From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Jul 7 06:33:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 18:38:28 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704143828.19829.00002161@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19101 You owe it to yourself to requeen mean hives. The bees should not be seeking you out to sting even in a dearth of nectar. But they sure will beat you up when you work the hive during a dearth. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Jul 7 06:33:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking info about the "other" mite strips Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 18:34:06 GMT References: <7lnflv$l29$1@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704143406.19829.00002157@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19102 Anyone know if CT has been approved for the new mite poison ? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 17:35:06 GMT References: <377F4ADA.DF0A946@kingston.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704133506.11261.00010029@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19103 Hi Kent, How did you get rid of your skunks? All the books suggest a board full of nails under the landing board. All that hammering seems too time consuming, and the device itself could be hazardous to my own health. Someone here in eastern Massachusetts recommended putting the hives on a stand about 12-18 inches off the ground (cinder blocks standing on end), and then hanging chicken wire from the landing board to the ground. The skunks, according to this person, avoid the wire because it reminds them of traps. It seems to me though that skunks in increasingly urbanized America might learn to be kind of cavilier about wire, since it's everywhere. Nevertheless, I put the wire up on all my hives just because I'm a first-year beekeep and I wanted to try to eliminate as many variables as possible. JM From dscribner@NOSPAMbigfoot.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie info Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 15:44:27 -0500 Organization: Computer Consultant Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7loh1t$omt@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: Reply-To: "David Scribner" NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo14-35.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jul 04 3:43:41 PM CDT 1999 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:144 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19104 The two you started with are great books, Charles. The Hive and the Honey Bee, although a very extensive book on the subject of honey bees, and beekeeping, is found to be "too in-depth" for many bee-ginners. A much more simple book, or should I say, more comprehensible for those just starting out, is preferred by many. When I first started, it was with a fellow beekeeper's books he lent me... "First Lessons", along with A.I. Root's "Starting Right with Bees" and "The Hive and the Honey Bee". I relished the info in "First Lessons" and "Starting Right", but in all honesty, there was so much in THATHB that went right over my head, I didn't get much out of it until later on. It is now, though, one of my more valuable (and expensive) books on bees in my library. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message: > I started with two books: > > "First Lessons in Beekeeping" from Dadant and Sons, and "Beekeeping- A > Pracitcal Guide" by Richard Bonney. Others here, with years more > experience than me, strongly recommend "The Hive and the Honeybee." From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:47:04 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7lol04$qh0$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.tretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 931125060 27168 62.136.90.96 (4 Jul 1999 21:51:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 1999 21:51:00 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19105 Jason Wilson wrote in message ... > Now for my question! These bees are very aggressive on some days, to >the point you can't even get in the bee yard without getting stung. Two additional points to those already posted: On the days when you were attacked, were you using after shave or deodorant - or maybe a different one to when you were not attacked. I used to look after some hives for a friend (female) and every time she 'helped' with the hives we were attacked; when she was not there, the bees were very gentle; she wore expensive perfume - always! If this is not the reason, then requeen asap - that hive will be producing drones that will spread the bad temper to surrounding colonies. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:31:18 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.tretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 931125056 27168 62.136.90.96 (4 Jul 1999 21:50:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 1999 21:50:56 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19106 Did you really mean pollen? In a super? And where is the honey coming from? another colony? sounds like a recipe for spreading disease to me. But I will agree to the drawn comb! Give them time - they will move up when they are ready. busybee wrote in message <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >Usually, the bees are into a newly added super in a matter of minutes. Did >you add a box of undrawn foundation? Sometimes you need to entice them with >a few frames of drawn comb (better with a little honey and pollen in it). > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lye or Bleach? Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:39:47 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7lol02$qh0$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.tretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 931125058 27168 62.136.90.96 (4 Jul 1999 21:50:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 1999 21:50:58 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19107 >wouldn't bleach work also in a 10 to 1 ratio? That ratio works for killing the >HIV virus, it seems to me that it should work for AFB also. Does anyone have >any Idea if it would work or not? > What kills HIV virus is irrelevant. AFB is a spore forming bacterium - are the spores are incredibly resilient. As far as I know, only gamma radiation or ethylene oxide fumigation will give 100% kill; however, other treatments may well reduce the level sufficiently to prevent the disease recurring (see my recent posting - 29/06/99). I have to say, though, that not many people recommend trying bleach! From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-128.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:21:34 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <7lng5b$l29$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.80 X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 1999 18:25:13 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19108 In article <7lng5b$l29$2@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) wrote: > > Requeening with a very gentle stock like New World > Carniolans will solve the problem reguardless. > What are the upsides and downsides of the various races? What of introducing a queen of one sort within a hive of another. While I've read about these matters, I'd just be curious what folks in the real world have to say... -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-128.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lye or Bleach? Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:16:28 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <19990704004224.12476.00003731@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.80 X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 1999 18:20:07 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19109 In article <19990704004224.12476.00003731@ng-cr1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > clorox will not work > ethelenedibromide fumigation, scorching maybe, lye boiling more possibly but > not bleach. > FWIW, a venerable beekeeper here in COSprings, while visiting my hive as a courtesy to me, mentioned that he boils any used euqipment he purchases in lye. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-128.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:18:55 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <19990704014337.28957.00008770@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.80 X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 1999 18:22:34 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19110 In article <19990704014337.28957.00008770@ng-cb1.aol.com>, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > > My thriving hive of package bees that I started in early April has become quite > aggressive. We put ours in in late April. I've noticed my girls don't seem to tolerate me nearly as much as they did a few weeks ago. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-128.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:17:53 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Message-ID: References: <19990704004711.12476.00003735@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.80 X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 1999 18:21:31 GMT Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19111 In article <19990704004711.12476.00003735@ng-cr1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > put up a scare crow about 6 - 8 feet in front of the hive, make sure there is > plenty of movement like sleeves blowing in the wind Is this to acclimate the bees to human-like movement, or to scare away (other) animal intruders? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From nospam@home.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7le3ro$hfm$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <744f3.24868$6K2.3000@news.rdc1.tx.home.com> <7ljijj$fht$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Swarm problem Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 23:29:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.224.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.tx.home.com 931130985 24.6.224.103 (Sun, 04 Jul 1999 16:29:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 16:29:45 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19112 Peter: Thanks for all your info. Today I looked inside the hive containing that captured swarm. I noticed the following: 1. There were eggs in the cells, not hatched yet, but there were also the signs of laying workers (multiple eggs in one cell) 2. I saw a queen going about the cells apparently looking for cells to lay in, but she appeared small. Do they appear smaller when they are just starting to lay? 3. They were making queen cells in the middle of the combs. Why would they be doing this? Perhaps not happy with this new queen? Maybe I need to wait and see if she is laying or if ALL the eggs I saw were from workers. Any ideas, suggestions, anyone? Thanks again, George Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7ljijj$fht$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > When queens emerge from their cells they cut around the tip of the cell > until they can push it open - leaving it hanging by a 'hinge'. The workers > often push this closed and re-seal it, often with a worker inside (they seem > to go in to clean out the cell - and then die inside). > > The 'give-away' is that the tip of the cell has no wax - just the end of the > cocoon and the hinged cap will open when the tip of the hive tool is run > across it. > > When the virgin flies to mate, she sometimes takes a swarm with her - a > mating swarm. These sometimes return to the hive and sometimes simply fly > off and find a new home - I believe that queen producers expect to lose up > to 10% of their queens in this way [can anyone confirm this?]. > > From beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking info about the "other" mite strips Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 20:19:19 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 11 Message-ID: <377FFA07.8483E2A2@kingston.net> References: <7lnflv$l29$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990704143406.19829.00002157@ng-cq1.aol.com> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.44 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 00:17:14 GMT X-Trace: 931133834.761.36 QANSHOMNI342CCDD2C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19113 BeeCrofter wrote: > > Anyone know if CT has been approved for the new mite poison Tom Hi Tom, It doesn't appear that CT has been approved yet. You should call the numbers I sent to see if or when you will be on the list. Kent From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Jul 7 06:33:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 02:50:59 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704225059.20611.00004588@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19114 Any race of bees beats a mean hive. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 05:18:15 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705011815.22995.00009321@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19115 >> put up a scare crow about 6 - >s this to acclimate the bees to human-like movement, or to scare a exactly Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From gzooflup@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queen replacement Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 08:24:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7lpq2t$eqv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lajrd$gn1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3778E072.20CE25CD@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jul 05 08:24:02 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19116 In article , "Hugh Tait" wrote: > There are advantages to both views, and what you should do should be based > on your personal needs and experience. On the plus side to letting them > raise thier own is that you end up with bees climatized for your area over > time. When you make splits , which is artificially dequeening them do it > with you gentlest and best stock over time your stock will improve > dramatically. > I do not think that a beekeeper with little experience of selecting bees should expect to "improve dramatically" his stock in a short time. Raise from your best queens, pray that good drones are around and expect your bees to stay as good as they are would be a more reasonable description. Besides: raising queens from splits only is not reasonable. Have your best hive(s) raise a few queens: they will come handy if (when?) some of the splits fail. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 12:56:09 GMT References: <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990705085609.05877.00003158@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19117 I believe Martha S. is doing a service by her beekeeping show. I haven't seen it. I assume she has the best equipment and makes quite a good presentation. The problem is not with Martha S. but with the serious commercial type beekeeper versus the hobbyist. Hobbyists out number the commercial type beekeeper and anything that encourages the hobbyist into beekeeping is good. DIY is the best. To heck with leaving it to the professionals. Al From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:06:03 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-48.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931179792 70888 209.130.165.48 (5 Jul 1999 13:03:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 13:03:12 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19118 Peter Edwards wrote in message <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>... >Did you really mean pollen? In a super? > >And where is the honey coming from? another colony? sounds like a recipe for >spreading disease to me. > >But I will agree to the drawn comb! > >Give them time - they will move up when they are ready. > >busybee wrote in message <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >>Usually, the bees are into a newly added super in a matter of minutes. Did >>you add a box of undrawn foundation? Sometimes you need to entice them >with >>a few frames of drawn comb (better with a little honey and pollen in it). >> > > Yes, I meant frames with honey and pollen. Pull it up from the bottom brood super (same hive). Replace those combs taken with foundation (preferably drawn comb) along the sides of the bottom super and the drawn frames going up, place also along the sides. If you have any eggs going to the top super in a hive with a queen excluder--thats ok. --Busybee From sweiland@debitel.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.dnsg.net!not-for-mail From: "sweiland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:32:27 +0200 Organization: Debitel Network Services GmbH Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> References: <377AAD27.1F6C@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: moe.dnsg.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19119 Why don't you try formic acid? In Europe and Canada it has been used for years and it is very effective. Formic is completely biodegradable and watersoluble. It will go into the sealed cells to kill the small mites, too. If you evaporate it after the harvest, no residues will go into the honey, and even if so, the acid will evaporate out of the hive within the next three months after the treatment. Please look at http://home.t-online.de/home/weiland.wzb/start.htm for further information (commercial site). all the best- Stefan Weiland From tomasmozer@juno.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!128.32.206.55!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking info about the "other" mite strips Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 10:44:10 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 46 Message-ID: <377F9D6A.5DC1@juno.com> References: <377EAB68.751B6730@twcny.rr.com> <7lnflv$l29$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.213 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 931183298 OCZ7E7JIA48D5D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) CC: tomasmozer@juno.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19120 honeybs wrote: > JGinNY wrote: > >1. Some years ago there appeared an alternative to Apistan on the U.S. > >market ("Miticur" I think; not sure of the name) and it was pulled > >fairly soon after. It hasn't been made available again since, AFAIK. > >a few questions: > >Weren't these strips supposed to treat both mites? > Yes. > >Was the active varroacide fluvalinate, just as in Apistan? > No. > >What was the anti-acarine ingredient? > Amitraz. > >Why was it so quickly taken off the market? > Supposably it was pulled because some bees were killed by > the strips. Beekeepers were also buying and cutting up > cattle collars that were identical. The only people buying > cattle collars were beekeepers and they pulled the collars > as well. Personally I think they pulled it because the > mites become resistant to Amitraz so quickly. Two years and > they have adapted, at least that was my experience here. > This is also the reason few beekeepers use Tactic anymore to > treat for varroa. another complication may have been that according to reports from california amitraz was not effective in field conditions against tracheal mites, for which it had been originally labeled... > >2. Recently one of the guys at Dadant told me of yet another mite-strip > >being used these days. At least by some large commercial outfits in > >parts of the South. Something more potent against varroa -- not sure > >what the active chemical is, but he candidly described it as "nasty." > >Is such a strip available, having been approved? Name? Or must the > >majority of us proceed right on to formic acid... > This might be Bayer Bee Strips produced by the Bayer > Company. We have a EPA section 18 for them here in > Maryland. The active ingredient is Coumaphos and it works > against the hive beetle as well. the same caveats as above may apply to checkmite+: mite resistance may develop rapidly with the use of unlabeled products, the beetles may not be effectively controlled under varied field conditions, and the jury is still out on possible synergistic effects of all chemicals in use and accumulating in beehives over time... From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: abandoned wasp nests Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 14:07:00 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990705100700.06754.00003104@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19121 In my shed every summer I see wasp type nests about the size of a billard ball hanging from the roof. There is no bees in them. Why do they build them and then abandon them. Does it get too hot for them. I know they are not bumble bees or honey bees so for the sake of safety it should be okay to spray them first ask questions later. Al From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:37 EDT 1999 Article: 19122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990702203123.20596.00003742@ng-cl1.aol.com> <12606-377E8CE2-4@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: we've been adopted Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:43:23 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 931166494 209.69.69.104 (Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:21:34 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:21:34 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19122 > They will stay in their new home if they are protected from elements and > as long as they can keep the mites off them. > And If they die from mites or pesticides you will have a real mess- rotting brood, mice, and possibly honey dripping and soaking the plaster. Get these bees moved into a proper hive by an experienced beekeeper, and fill the space they were in with insulation. If you want to learn beekeeping, this is a great way to start! The beekeeper who removes the swarm may be able to help you get started. Good Luck! Ellen From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bee Bob was Rong Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:31:19 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 931166492 209.69.69.104 (Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:21:32 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:21:32 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19123 (Much Snippage)....so that the honey super frames will be able to be hung down into the top bar hive. Right now the top of the top bar hive is too wide to suspend the frames, so with the slats I can make it fit and then > I'll just hang the honey super frames in the top bar hive. I will > then fill in the open space with top bars and put the empty honey > super back on top of the top bar hive. > I wonder how the bees will like them apples? Ought to work- this is similar to how I started my TBH. I took a nuc and hung the frames in my TBH with TB's placed between a couple of the frames. Slowly I added more TB's and moved the frames towards the back of the TBH. Once I had a honey barrier between the brood nest and the frames, the bees filled the frames with honey, and I removed and extracted them. Now I have only TB's. Ellen From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Can it be done? Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:38:41 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 931166493 209.69.69.104 (Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:21:33 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:21:33 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19124 Daniel Restle wrote in message news:945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net... > Who is Martha Stewart !!!!! > Picture Julia Child in spandex on speed > Yes but a Julia Child who does more than cook- She wants to telly ou how to entertain, decorate, garden and anything else vaguely "Domestic" She is the only person I have heard of who makes her own christmas tree shaped marshmallows from scratch. (Probably actually done by one of her many "assistants". Ellen From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bibliographic reference for moving eggs? Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:57:50 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7lqgso$h0m@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh14-port182.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19125 I occasionally teach classes on bees to non-beekeepers, and would like to include information on workers moving eggs to queen cells (I mean other than employees of Adee farms :-) ) in my presentation. To do this, I need a bibliographic reference suitable for publication. In other words, for a magazine it needs article name, magazine name, volume and issue number, author, page, and publisher. For a book, it needs author, title, page, publisher, and publication date. The referenced article should describe a scientific observation of the behaviour occuring, and the conditions and limitations if possible. An author remarking that bees sometimes move eggs isn't sufficient unless the author has phenominal credentials. This is not a "rush request" - my material is already more than enough to fill the time I'm usually given and I'm not due to make any presentations in July - so please don't bother with "it's somewhere in 'The Hive and the Honeybee'" and don't spend hours searching. I just figured that since this has become a hot topic on the news group somebody might have recently read about it. Thanks In Advance Robert From shuston@riverace.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:40 EDT 1999 Article: 19126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 11:30:53 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3780CFAD.34E2A1C5@riverace.com> References: <377F4ADA.DF0A946@kingston.net> <19990704133506.11261.00010029@ng-cd1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: aAJR4SZBdqQtmol9/I3Qk9Q8j2A4s5v7r3nGPhekCdc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 15:30:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19126 JMitc1014 wrote: > How did you get rid of your skunks? A number of beekeepers around here (eastern MA) recommend rolling up a piece of chicken wire and putting the roll against the front of the hive. The skunks don't like to walk on the wire. Or, if you just get them up a foot or more, it's said that the skunks will have to get up on their hind feet to get to the hive entrance, making their undersides vulnerable to stings, and it's said that the skunks won't tolerate the stings in the underside the way they do in the feet or mouth. My hives are on cinderblocks, which sit on a base of crushed stone. All together the opening is about a foot off the ground. No skunks (yet...). -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From shuston@riverace.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 11:35:16 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3780D0B4.E9A6BF4A@riverace.com> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fIXgXrdcpp2u5Mo7+xzRGTrpbN28UiE4oCkicjdq904= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 15:35:16 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19127 I read this in a catalog (Betterbee, I think) Try rotating the excluder 90 degrees, so the ends stick out the sides. The workers will go around the side, but the queen really likes to go up the middle, which is still blocked. After the first super is full of honey, the queen won't go across it anyway. -Steve timjk@my-deja.com wrote: > > It's only been a day since I've added my super and queen excluder > but the bees have'nt passed through it yet. Should I bee getting > excited about this or just give them some more time? > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From ad387@hwcn.org Wed Jul 7 06:33:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!hone!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing And Insemination Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 05:49:24 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7lpv4t$5b4$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.194 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19128 Hi, Sue Cobey at Ohio State has an excellent video and courses on AI. Try http://iris.biosci.ohio-state.edu/honeybee/breeding/class.html . Also James Tew also has a video available from AI Root "AI of Honey Bees" Try www.airoot.com From glen@obp.agric.za Wed Jul 7 06:33:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!iafrica.com!feeder.is.co.za!hermes.is.co.za!not-for-mail From: Glen van Niekerk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: African hive beetle - On home soil Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 12:29:49 -0700 Organization: An Internet Solution Customer Lines: 30 Message-ID: <378107AB.AE73C6E5@obp.agric.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: firewall.nda.agric.za Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19129 The Small Hive Beetle, Aethina tumida is not so easy to get rid of. It is about 7 mm long and dark brown to black in colour. The adults can often be seen moving from one cell to the safety of another. They live off the products of the hive but adults do not damage the combs. The bees try to remove them or sting them but without success. Aethina breeds in the combs. The eggs are banana shaped but smaller than bee eggs. The larvae, however, are easily removed by the bees and it is only in weak colonies where there are too many combs for the bees to patrol effectively that the Aethina larvae can make any headway. They live on honey and pollen in the comb and initiate the fermentation of honey, which runs out of the comb in a frothy mass. Prevention is better than cure. Strong colonies can patrol all frames and throw out any Aethina larvae. Combs that are stored before extraction of the honey may become infested with Aethina to such an extent that the honey crop is ruined by fermentation, not to mention the possibility of getting bits and pieces of the larvae in the honey! Fumigation of combs at this stage cannot be recommended. Heat treatment of supers in a hot room would seem to be the answer. As a general guide it might be mentioned that temperatures of 39 - 430C (102 - 1090F) for two to four days are lethal to most insects. The melding point of beeswax is about 630C (145'DF) but the wax softens at 490C (1200F). If possible, however, supers to be extracted should not be stored at all. Glen van Niekerk South Africa From pollinator@aol.comnospam Wed Jul 7 06:33:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: abandoned wasp nests Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 17:14:20 GMT References: <19990705100700.06754.00003104@ngol06.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705131420.22730.00005728@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19130 >In my shed every summer I see wasp type nests about the size of a billard >ball >hanging from the roof. There is no bees in them. > >Why do they build them and then abandon them. Does it get too hot for them. > >I know they are not bumble bees or honey bees so for the sake of safety it >should be okay to spray them first ask questions later. If the nest is made of mud, they are mud dauber wasps, which are solitary and no threat at all. If they are made of paper, they are a semisocial paper wasp, and are of little threat, unless you are knocking apart their nest or providing a lot of motion right near their nest. In other words these are defensive, but nowhere near as defensive as hornets or the larger communal yellow jackets. They are part of your pest patrol, removing many pest insects from lawn and garden, so protect them as much as you can. I only remove them, if they are in my direct traffic pattern. Soapy water in a 409 spray bottle is adequate to kill them (the chemical companies don't want you to know that), but think first, if you can live with them. They only live one season at most, sometimes only a few weeks. The last generation is queens that find a hiding place until the next season and start brand new nests in new places. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-182.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 10:39:30 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3780D0B4.E9A6BF4A@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.b6 X-Server-Date: 5 Jul 1999 16:43:23 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19131 In article <3780D0B4.E9A6BF4A@riverace.com>, Steve Huston wrote: > I read this in a catalog (Betterbee, I think) Try rotating the excluder > 90 degrees, so the ends stick out the sides. The workers will go around > the side, but the queen really likes to go up the middle, which is still > blocked. I just put on a honey super... Can anyone confirm the effectiveness of the above method? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: abandoned wasp nests Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 18:11:09 GMT References: <19990705131420.22730.00005728@ng-ch1.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990705141109.05314.00004089@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19132 Dave Green writes: >They are part of your pest patrol, removing many pest insects from lawn and >garden, so protect them as much as you can. I only remove them, if they are >in >my direct traffic pattern. > > They only live one season at most, sometimes only a few weeks. The last >generation is queens that find a hiding place until the next season and start >brand new nests in new places. > > The nests are made of paper. Thank you for giving me a better understanding of this situation. I will try not to harm them unless they are a threat. I think you should think of bees as colonies or collectives. They are a life form as a colony. The prime directive should be followed. If you harm or destroy a colony for no good reason you are really doing a bad thing in a big way. Al Al From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 19:04:28 GMT References: <7l5ndc$l5n@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990705150428.04331.00004138@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19133 In article <7l5ndc$l5n@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>, "David Scribner" writes: > I could also tell in her article by >how heavily she was outfitted with a winter jacket over her bee suit and >VERY heavy-duty gloves, standing next to Ed Weiss (true beekeeper) who was >wearing short-sleeved shirt I think, that she hadn't been really "keeping" >bees for any length of time. She's a bee-HAVER, not a bee-KEEPER. > >No disrespect meant to those that wear gloves... even I do on occasion. It >was just that she appeared to be ready to go into a hive of Africanized bees >with her full heavy-duty armor that no bee (even with a two-inch stinger) >could have got past. > If you were a Klingon you probably wouldn't bother with gloves or suit. Judging from Worf they don't exactly excel in science either. Martha S. is very sucessful in a capitalist system. Need I say more. Al From fordcar@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: carmar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extracting Honey Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 19:22:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7lr0ld$q7q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.142.15.40 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jul 05 19:22:29 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.142.15.40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19134 I have Five deep frames of honey that I would like to extract..Can anyone advise a reasonable way to do this without an extractor. I would like to save the comb if at all possible. When I received this hive it had two brood chambers full of brood and honey. and a third deep super with 5 frames of mostly capped honey..I removed the deep super and replaced it with shallow one. Now I Have these deep frames to extract.. Thank you Carol Martin Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From lithar@midwest.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 14:31:58 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3781082E.3431@midwest.net> References: <7l5ndc$l5n@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> <19990705150428.04331.00004138@ngol04.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.26 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 19:47:16 GMT X-Trace: 931204036.499.14 JF3D7GB4M1C1AD0EBC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19135 Jajwuth wrote: > > In article <7l5ndc$l5n@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>, "David Scribner" > writes: > > > I could also tell in her article by > >how heavily she was outfitted with a winter jacket over her bee suit and > >VERY heavy-duty gloves, standing next to Ed Weiss (true beekeeper) who was > >wearing short-sleeved shirt I think, that she hadn't been really "keeping" > >bees for any length of time. She's a bee-HAVER, not a bee-KEEPER. > > > >No disrespect meant to those that wear gloves... even I do on occasion. It > >was just that she appeared to be ready to go into a hive of Africanized bees > >with her full heavy-duty armor that no bee (even with a two-inch stinger) > >could have got past. > > > > If you were a Klingon you probably wouldn't bother with gloves or suit. > Judging from Worf they don't exactly excel in science either. Martha S. is very > sucessful in a capitalist system. Need I say more. > > Al No - please... AL From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mixing Races of Bees Date: 5 Jul 1999 19:53:47 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7lr2gb$3636$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <24514-37757137-18@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 931204427 000 192.168.254.73 (5 Jul 1999 19:53:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 19:53:47 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19136 >Hello all. I am a first year beekeeper. I started in May with two >established hives which are doing fine. I have captured a couple of >swarms and one of them is doing fine but I believe the last one as no >queen. > +++++++++++ i got my first hive in may, although folks advised to do so, i am glad i didnt start with two, one is more than enough to get used to. i admire your willingness to start with two. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:47 EDT 1999 Article: 19137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees go buckwild! Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:38:21 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7lr53t$1d6a$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 931207101 000 192.168.254.73 (5 Jul 1999 20:38:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:38:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19137 one day last week, on a cloudy day at 5:30pm. hundreds, maybe thousands of bees from my hive started flying in chaotic circles up to six feet over the hive, that was the only time i saw that, what on earth was that about? it looked like tiny tornado. one robin took advantage of the situation by swooping thru the could to catch one on the wing. if possible cc email me at cmbh71c@prodigy.com thanks From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie trials and tribulations Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:13:45 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 31 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7lr3lp$6lgm$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <01bebf97$21a0b620$95d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 931205625 000 192.168.254.73 (5 Jul 1999 20:13:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:13:45 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19138 yeah, i remember having the same feeling when i first opened the brood chamber, thank goodness fellow beekeeper Ellen Anglin came down to my hive and helped me with looking in my hive. picking up each frame and looking at what they are doing was important to me if i ever was going to get used to keeping bees. you should ask the guy that sold you the hives to come over one day and help you look in your hives. at least one day should make a difference. by the way, get a frame lifter or frame gripper, i just ordered one, i spent a lot of time trying to pick up those frames with my gloved hands and most of my time was wasted that way. i thinks its as important as a hive tool or a smoker. some day i will try bare handed, but aint ready for that right now. At this point I'm staring down into a bottom box overflowing with bees, >and feeling totally out of my league. I couldn't see the Apistan strip >anywhere. Nor was I willing to start pulling frames to look - I had >already crushed several bees when prying the boxes apart, plus whatever >damage I had done when the bottom frame(s) were sliding up and down. And >the bees were agitated, which means I was agitated... Figuring that I had >already done enough damage for the day (and after staring into the box for >a while out of fascination), I put it all together again and left them >alone to settle down. > So here are my questions: > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lye or Bleach? Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:44:58 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7lr5j4$8t6$3@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990704004224.12476.00003731@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-73.methylphenidate.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 931207588 9126 62.136.79.73 (5 Jul 1999 20:46:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:46:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19139 >hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > >> clorox will not work >> ethelenedibromide fumigation, scorching maybe, lye boiling more possibly but >> not bleach. Just for the record, could we have precise definition of 'lye'? Quantities, strength etc. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:49 EDT 1999 Article: 19140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:20:40 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-73.methylphenidate.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 931207584 9126 62.136.79.73 (5 Jul 1999 20:46:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:46:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19140 busybee wrote in message <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... > >Yes, I meant frames with honey and pollen. Pull it up from the bottom brood >super (same hive). Ah! with you now. Of course, you are using supers of the same depth as brood. This is not usual in the UK where supers are shallower - and I would suggest that most of us here only use one brood box UK beekeepers note the word 'most' before you reach for your keyboards). I would still maintain that the bees will move up when they are ready and there is no need to try to encourage them. > > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm problem Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:39:36 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7lr5j3$8t6$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7le3ro$hfm$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <744f3.24868$6K2.3000@news.rdc1.tx.home.com> <7ljijj$fht$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-73.methylphenidate.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 931207587 9126 62.136.79.73 (5 Jul 1999 20:46:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:46:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19141 George C wrote in message ... > >1. There were eggs in the cells, not hatched yet, but there were also the >signs of laying workers (multiple eggs in one cell) > >2. I saw a queen going about the cells apparently looking for cells to lay >in, but she appeared small. Do they appear smaller when they are just >starting to lay? > >3. They were making queen cells in the middle of the combs. Why would they >be doing this? Perhaps not happy with this new queen? Maybe I need to wait >and see if she is laying or if ALL the eggs I saw were from workers. If you saw the queen then it is unlikely that the eggs are from laying workers - new queens do sometimes lay multiple eggs in cells especially if there are few vacant cells; some times the bees (with no brood to feed) fill the cells so quickly that the queen has nowhere to lay at all. If there is no space try putting an empty super (i.e. a super with empty drawn comb!) immediately over the brood box so that they can move some up. Yes - queens often look smaller until they are in full lay. Are these really queen cells or just cups? If cells then there may be a problem with the queen - simply wait until the first brood is sealed - not long now - and you will then know if it is good wrker brood from the queen. From tenmoku@webtv.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thawing Comb Honey Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 16 Message-ID: <18259-37811E3E-30@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAhEn8yggbxo3FTc+DeIAIhAZyjkECFCbP/wZB6CDFnw/o3ClhmrCcJvq0 Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19142 Hi All, I am going to harvest my first super of comb honey (for the very first time) and I have read and heard that these should be frozen overnight in a plastic bag to kill any moth larvae. What is the best way to thaw the comb (keeping moisture on the comb to a minimum? Also, what is the best way to cut and package the comb? I've seen pictures of it being cut on the screen with tray underneath or just on foil. It seems they screened tray would be the best for gathering the spills. Are the square cutters worth the money? I suspect the small plastic square boxes are the best way to store cut combs. Thanks for any advice. From nospam@home.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7le3ro$hfm$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <744f3.24868$6K2.3000@news.rdc1.tx.home.com> <7ljijj$fht$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lr5j3$8t6$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Swarm problem Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 22:42:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.224.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.tx.home.com 931214571 24.6.224.103 (Mon, 05 Jul 1999 15:42:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 15:42:51 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19143 Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7lr5j3$8t6$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk... > > If you saw the queen then it is unlikely that the eggs are from laying > workers - new queens do sometimes lay multiple eggs in cells especially if > there are few vacant cells; some times the bees (with no brood to feed) fill > the cells so quickly that the queen has nowhere to lay at all. If there is > no space try putting an empty super (i.e. a super with empty drawn comb!) > immediately over the brood box so that they can move some up. > > Yes - queens often look smaller until they are in full lay. > > Are these really queen cells or just cups? If cells then there may be a > problem with the queen - simply wait until the first brood is sealed - not > long now - and you will then know if it is good wrker brood from the queen. > They were cells. They were built up more and had royal jelly in them, too. Could not see larvae, but then this queen just started laying. Did not know new queen might lay multiple eggs in one cell. Thanks for your continuing replies and information. George From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 23:55:11 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705195511.12518.00005608@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19144 Hi Stretch and Steve H: One other development where I'm at in Eastern MA. We are in the middle of one heck of a drought/heat wave/nectar shortage. Is this a precipitating factor to the aggressiveness of my hive? Since this is my first year, I don't know on the basis of personal experience if there is a relationship between the drought and the nectar shortage -- but it sounds like a good theory to me. I read a Kim Flottum (editor, Bee Culture) column written a few years ago during an El Nino summer that described nectar shortages during a drought, and the need to feed in order for your bees to make it through. I'm now feeding my 3 smallest hives (2 afterswarms and a late-season nuc that will be combined with a failing package hive that swarmed) to ensure they will be ready for the winter when, or if, it comes. John From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 23:57:32 GMT References: <3780CFAD.34E2A1C5@riverace.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705195732.12518.00005609@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19145 Hi Steve, I, too, am in eastern MA. We're in the middle of a nectar shortage in my area right now. My question to you is -- Is this normal or is this being caused by the heat wave and the drought? What's your experience with the flows this time of year? Thanks in advance John From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thawing Comb Honey Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 00:37:33 GMT References: <18259-37811E3E-30@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705203733.22995.00009647@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19146 >I have read and heard that these should be frozen overnight in >a plastic bag to kill any moth larvae. > > nope 72 hours at least, or 24 at -0 most freezers will work at the 72 hr period very well just let em thaw out on ya counter, inside a sharp paring knife works well to cut, but nothing will if still frozen !!! tryung to cut frozen comb is disaster Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lye or Bleach? Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 00:41:58 GMT References: <7lr5j4$8t6$3@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705204158.22995.00009648@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19147 >Just for the record, could we have precise definition of 'lye'? Quantities, >strength etc. > hehe once more unto the breech my friends 55 gal drum set up on bricks fill with aprox 40 gal of water add 5 - 6 boxes of red devil lye to the cold water NEVER ADD LYE TO HOT WATER IT WILL BLOW UP IN YOUR FACE !!!!!! stir heat water to boiling, submerse frames, boxes etc for aprox 3 minutes a pitch fork works well for this rinse well Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!attmtf!ip.att.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:54:30 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7lrkq2$69l$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990704014337.28957.00008770@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.94 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931223170 6453 12.72.50.94 (6 Jul 1999 01:06:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 01:06:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19148 Ideally, the novices started with a marked queen. If not, you really don't know if you have had a supercedure. Temperment can be a problem in some of the hybrids if they have raised a daughter queen. If you start with a hybrid, you are pretty much committed to requeening with purchased queens. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message news:HiStretch-0407991218550001@pool-207-205-214-128.dnvr.grid.net... > In article <19990704014337.28957.00008770@ng-cb1.aol.com>, > jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > > > > > My thriving hive of package bees that I started in early April has > become quite > > aggressive. > > We put ours in in late April. I've noticed my girls don't seem to > tolerate me nearly as much as they did a few weeks ago. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com From calin@ozemail.com.au Wed Jul 7 06:33:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thawing Comb Honey Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:10:35 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3781578B.77B0AF64@ozemail.com.au> References: <18259-37811E3E-30@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 931223478 15880 203.63.79.234 (6 Jul 1999 01:11:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 01:11:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19149 Hank Mishima wrote: > I am going to harvest my first super of comb honey (for the very first > time) and I have read and heard that these should be frozen overnight in > a plastic bag to kill any moth larva Extract the honey first, then freeze the frame. I think you have not understood the problem. Bees will control the wax moths on frame in the hive. As you remove the combs from the hive, they have no any wax moth lava on them. If you store old frames some where else (not on the hive) the wax moth can build up. As long as you exract your honey as soon as it comes off the hive you won't have a problem with wax moth in your honey. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:10:44 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-42.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931224806 47454 209.130.165.42 (6 Jul 1999 01:33:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 01:33:26 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19150 This is another way to help bring the bees up to the top supers... take drawn comb and "zebra-stipe" it with foundation. If putting on a box of brand new foundation--use 10 frames to a box. If mixing new foundation and drawn in the "zebra-stripe" fashion, put 9 frames in a box. If its all drawn comb - use 8 frames and the bees will draw the comb out deeper. Works for us. I totally agree though that they will come up in their own sweet time. We do not use queen excluders--and I think it discourages them from going up when using an excluder. The frames are extracted when brood has hatched. We have a mixture of deeps and shallows that are used together in the colony make-up. --Busybee Peter Edwards wrote in message <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>... > >busybee wrote in message <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... > >> >>Yes, I meant frames with honey and pollen. Pull it up from the bottom >brood >>super (same hive). > >Ah! with you now. > >Of course, you are using supers of the same depth as brood. This is not >usual in the UK where supers are shallower - and I would suggest that most >of us here only use one brood box UK beekeepers note the word 'most' before >you reach for your keyboards). > >I would still maintain that the bees will move up when they are ready and >there is no need to try to encourage them. >> >> >> > > From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thawing Comb Honey Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 01:40:20 GMT References: <3781578B.77B0AF64@ozemail.com.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705214020.08946.00002516@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19151 >that these should be frozen overnight in >> a plastic bag to kill any moth larva > >Extract the honey first, then freeze the frame. > he's talkin cut comb chris . no extracting cut comb. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:57 EDT 1999 Article: 19152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 01:56:30 GMT References: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705215630.08946.00002528@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19152 >Why don't you try formic acid? In Europe and Canada it has been used for Not yet approved for use here, the gov't thinks we might burn our puty little fingers Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: African hive beetle - On home soil Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 01:52:09 GMT References: <378107AB.AE73C6E5@obp.agric.za> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705215209.08946.00002524@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19153 >The Small Hive Beetle, Aethina tumida is not so easy to get rid of. It > > >Glen van Niekerk > >South Africa > > Thanks for the info Glen !!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jjkquin@worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon