Article 25286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joeblow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid Question from Beginner > Are My Bees Dead Message-ID: References: <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: joeblow X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 37 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 06:07:15 EDT Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 06:11:09 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25286 In article <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rec01rec@my-deja.com says... > Hi there, > > I am a beginner in NH and recently installed some > package bees in this rotten weather (didn't get > above 40 and was rainy for the past 14 days here > in New England) I ahve a probabaly pretty basic > question but I couldn't find any answers in the > books I have or on the web... > > Stupid question - here it is > > I installed the bees about a week ago, noticed > they weren't taking the sugar at all (it was > cold). In any case I am not sure they are > alive... checked them today (nice and warm > finally - got up to 68 today...first day above 45 > in 2 weeks) and they all basically look kind of > frozen, or to me, dead? The ABC of Bee Culture > says they sometimes look this way in the cold, > but it was pretty warm today. Are they dead? > Starved? What do you think? > > Thanks > > Ron E. > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Hi, I don't want to alarm you but I had this experience too. If it reaches 65 to 70 degrees bees should look like live bees. If they look slow and listless kind of shivering, I would suspect some kind of poisening. The chemical Sevin that some folks use will make your bees look frozen. Buzz Article 25287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Black Perco Frame Experience X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39365CB8.33038625@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <3933E67B.FAF1BD42@nospam.boeing.com> <8h5g55$6ha$1@news.smartworld.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:53:13 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25287 Allen Dick wrote: > Is it waxed or unwaxed? The waxed is accepted well in my experience, the > unwaxed is not. > > They are waxed. Hopefully I will get another swarm in the 2nd trap that has the other 5 frames. I will see then if it happens a 2nd time. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 25288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Changing sizes of frames on the bees during a move Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:20:58 -0400 Organization: The Bee Works Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <20000601043807.29381.00001093@ng-fd1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25288 The best way would be to place the old nuc brood box below, make sure the queen is in the new top box, then add a queen excluder between the two. When all the brood has emerged from below, remove the box. LKLarson1 wrote in message news:20000601043807.29381.00001093@ng-fd1.aol.com... > I have a new nuc of bees and don't have a large standard size brood chamber, > and frankly, don't want another. Is there any method of getting the bees to > move into a Western super (much smaller than the large size) and still not > sacrificing the large numbers of brood on those frames in the nuc? > > Right now, I've had the nuc sitting on top of a Western, and then put a cut > (partial) cover over the rest of the Western thinking that the bees would then > move down for more activity (including the queen coming down and over to > lay)--after three weeks, not much success. > > Now I'm thinking of simply moving the frames to another hive, and dusting off > the bees onto an old, drawn Western and then feeding them for a few weeks. > > What do you think? > > Thanks. > > Article 25289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Honeybees & Cotton X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39367667.931511AF@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <3933FEEB.8A6AC10C@nospam.boeing.com> <393557F3.79D5C253@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 14:42:47 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 29 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25289 John Edwards wrote: > This has been the subject of research for the last half-century or more. I > refer you to the following clips from S.E. McGregor's book "Insect > Pollination of Cultivated Crop Plants", which we maintain and update on our > website at http://198.22.133.109/book/index.html > Cotton can be found (and read) in Chapter 10. > - Hope this helps ...... and which is stranger - cotton in Kansas, or corn > in Phoenix ? > > I found this document over in Dave Green's pollination web site too (thanks, btw). It appears to have been written back in the 1960's. I was hoping for more recent information. If you consider the demise of feral colonies as of late, it makes me wonder if the addition of bees to a cotton field would make a more significant difference now than it did back then. Especially if you consider that Kansas, not being a traditional cotton state, could possibly lack the natural pollinators it takes to adequately handle the larger fields of cotton we have this year. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 25290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.via.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees turn up the heat on invaders Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:45:03 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25290 From New Scientist magazine, 03 June 20 online at: http://www.newscientist.com:80/news/news_224134.html A beehive runs a fever when it gets sick, just like people, says Philip Starks and his colleagues at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York. Like other social insects, bees keep their nests warm to speed up the growth of their larvae. But Starks found that if the fungus Ascosphaera apis is added, bees increase the temperature of their nests by a further 0·56 ºC. At the higher temperature the fungus cannot infect and kill larvae (Naturwissenschaften, vol 87, p 229). The fever-like behaviour of the colony is strikingly similar to that of an individual animal and may be widespread among social insects, says Thomas Seeley, who supervised the study. Article 25291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.125!cyclone-transit.snfc21.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: more gm/bees news Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:20:30 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25291 still more for info/discussion purposes from: http://www.smh.com.au:80/news/0005/29/text/world13.html Great jumping genes: study jolts assurances on GM crops Date: 29/05/2000 London: Research by a leading German zoologist has shown that genes used to genetically modify crops can jump the species barrier, newspapers reported yesterday. A three-year study by Professor Hans-Heinrich Kaatz at the University of Jena found that the gene used to modify oil-seed rape had transferred to bacteria living inside honey bees. The findings will undermine claims by the biotech industry and supporters of genetically modified foods that genes cannot spread. They will also increase pressure on farmers across Europe to destroy fields of oil-seed rape contaminated with GM seeds. In an interview for Britain's The Observer, Professor Kaatz said: "I have found the herbicide-resistant genes in the rape seed transferred across to the bacteria and yeast inside the intestines of young bees. This happened rarely, but it did happen." Asked if his findings had implications for the bacteria inside the human gut, he replied: "Maybe, but I am not an expert on this." The Observer said Professor Kaatz was reluctant to talk about his work until it was officially published and reviewed by fellow scientists. The reports come a day after Britain's Agriculture Minister, Mr Nick Brown, urged farmers to destroy crops contaminated with GM seeds. Up to 600 farmers in Britain are believed to have inadvertently planted more than 12,000 hectares of oil-seed rape believed to be contaminated with GM rape seeds, supplied by the Anglo-Dutch seed company Advanta. Similar crops have been planted elsewhere in Europe. The French and Swedish governments have already announced they are ordering the uprooting of the crops. Agence France-Presse Article 25292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!hardy.tc.umn.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: time of day to x-fer nuc to hive? Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:02:55 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3936B35F.4C793158@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: faraday.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 959886600 32632 129.101.81.112 (1 Jun 2000 19:10:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2000 19:10:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25292 Subject says it all- do i do this in the evening before sunset or in the mornign or does it not matter? Anything i gotta know besides open up the new hive, remove a few frames and dump the bees (no smoke). Thanks Matthew Article 25293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsxfer.visi.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-tele!easynet.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!liv!not-for-mail From: Duncan Robertson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Merseyside? Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 15:16:42 +0100 Organization: University of Liverpool Lines: 49 Message-ID: <3936704A.2BEB1FCC@liv.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc033084.vets.liv.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------B1DA604BBBF24F4BA340D6DF" X-Trace: news.liv.ac.uk 959868938 1648 138.253.33.84 (1 Jun 2000 14:15:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@liverpool.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2000 14:15:38 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25293 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B1DA604BBBF24F4BA340D6DF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Everyone, In conjunction with someone else, I am thinking of starting a hive in Liverpool. Niether of us has ever done this before and we badly need advice. Can any of you put us in touch with/provide contact details for any Merseyside beekeeping associations. Whilst we are in the process of an intense reading program, we both need to talk to experienced bee keepers and if possible see a hive. Do you think we are too late in the year to start doing this? All information gratefully received (direct e-mail preferred) -- Duncan H.L. Robertson Senior Experimental Officer, Dept. Veterinary Preclinical Sciences, University of Liverpool, Liverpool, England. Phone: (UK) 0151 794 4231/5344 Fax: (UK) 0151 794 4243 e-mail: dhlr@liverpool.ac.uk --------------B1DA604BBBF24F4BA340D6DF Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="dhlr.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Duncan Robertson Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="dhlr.vcf" begin:vcard n:Robertson;Duncan x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 note:Senior Experimental Officer end:vcard --------------B1DA604BBBF24F4BA340D6DF-- Article 25294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeybees & Cotton Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 2000 19:51:43 GMT References: <20000530145102.19250.00000995@nso-fm.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000601155143.11546.00002530@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25294 Bob wrote: PESTICIDES will likely destroy your hives. I found that by contacting a local corn farmer in my area who was using larvin 3.2 about putting bees on his land, I made him aware of the presence of the hives nearby that weren't on his land. He subsequently changed his spraying time to dusk to avoid hurting any of my bees. When you're keeping bees in close proximity to people who use potentially harmful pesticides, its better to let them know you're there. However, I don't know if the pesticides used on corn lend themselves to any change in how they are used that would minimize their effects on honeybees. As Bob's post indicates, I've heard that bees and cotton just don't mix. Article 25295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: time of day to x-fer nuc to hive? Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 2000 21:56:10 GMT References: <3936B35F.4C793158@uidaho.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000601175610.11045.00000180@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25295 If you are transferring combs from a nuc to a hive body that is to remain in the original spot then anytime convenient will do. If you are placing the nuc frames in a hive body and relocating everything then do it in the evening when the foragers have returned . >Anything i gotta know besides open up the >new hive, remove a few frames and dump the bees The part above confuses me and sounds more like installing package bees. Do that towards evening. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!12.127.17.134!attbtf!att542!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Perco Frame Experience Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 14:58:31 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 21 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust58.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8h6i94$lfu$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <3933E67B.FAF1BD42@nospam.boeing.com> <8h5g55$6ha$1@news.smartworld.net> <39365CB8.33038625@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust58.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25296 > > Is it waxed or unwaxed? The waxed is accepted well in my experience, the > > unwaxed is not. > > They are waxed. Hopefully I will get another swarm in the 2nd trap that has > the other 5 frames. I will see then if it happens a 2nd time. Some hives will just not do a good job on some foundation. That's just the way it is. I have drawn lots of Pierco, and find it is about the same as other foundation in terms of success. There are even pictures of it in my diary somewhere in April. -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Over 1700 served... Article 25297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeybees & Cotton Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 14:56:28 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3936DC0B.755A4F34@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <3933FEEB.8A6AC10C@nospam.boeing.com> <393557F3.79D5C253@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <39367667.931511AF@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25297 "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote: > > makes me wonder if the addition of bees to a cotton field would make a more > significant difference now than it did back then. Especially if you consider > that Kansas, not being a traditional cotton state, could possibly lack the > natural pollinators it takes to adequately handle the larger fields of cotton > we have this year. Well, cotton, being naturally self-pollinating, could usually care less about the presence of bees, so it is hard to sell this idea to the growers. That's the subject of much of the old and newer research - whether there is any advantage at all to the cotton grower to have bees in his area, balanced against the usual need to spray cotton for various insects, sometimes frequently. I grew up on a cotton farm (in Buckeye) west of Phoenix, Arizona in the 1940s-1961, and well remember the tension and care my father and the beekeeper across the street had to put into their relationship to remain on speaking terms. By the way - giving credit where it is due - Mr. McGregor's book on "Insect Pollination of Cultivated Crop Plants" is actually USDA Agricultural Handbook No. 496 (1976), and was mostly put together by him in the Tucson Bee Lab after he retired as Chief of the Apicultural Research Branch of the USDA's Agricultural Research Service. He spent many years in Arkansas and Arizona working with cotton and bee problems, which is the probable reason the cotton chapter in his book is 14 large pages with 6 pages of references. It is not a simple problem, but cotton can be the source of a long-lasting honeyflow in areas where it is not sprayed so frequently. --see the entire book at http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/book/index.html ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 25298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!xmission!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: why the inner cover? Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:13:50 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3935646E.3D08CA1E@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 959800875 1299 129.101.81.41 (31 May 2000 19:21:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 2000 19:21:15 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25298 I have always used an inner cover. Why would you not use them. Should i use them or not with my new hives? Thanks once again. Matthew Article 25299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cara & Tom Patterson < tomandcara@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Supercedure/ Swarming Message-ID: <6iqajsggav72dk0rl54mlafpn37ht23huk@4ax.com> References: <8h2ufj$iv4$1@einstein.greenhills.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:41:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.8.20.181 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.tx.home.com 959802076 24.8.20.181 (Wed, 31 May 2000 12:41:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:41:16 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25299 No significant mite problem, no crowding after the swarms left. I am going to requeen and try new world carniolan. On Wed, 31 May 2000 06:50:43 -0500, "d" wrote: >Hello, >I believe you have a unusual queen, I use buckfast queens, and have some >supercede the second year. Wish I had some of those 10 year old gene pool. >I have never had a problem with swarming in the first two years, although >they get very crowed. I would try another queen , whether buckfast or not. >Do you have a heavy mite problem. I just wondering if they are under stress >, from something. >preacher > Article 25300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsxfer.visi.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: time of day to x-fer nuc to hive? Message-ID: References: <3936B35F.4C793158@uidaho.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 01:01:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.60 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 959907669 4.33.104.60 (Thu, 01 Jun 2000 18:01:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 18:01:09 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25300 Matthew Pollard wrote: >Subject says it all- do i do this in the evening before sunset or in the >mornign or does it not matter? I agree with Tom's (BeeCrofter's) advice about evening being a preference, especially if other colonies are nearby. Opening up weaker colonies later in the day can reduce the likelihood of robbing problems too. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 25301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3935646E.3D08CA1E@uidaho.edu> Subject: Re: why the inner cover? Lines: 23 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 01:43:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 959823834 12.72.41.13 (Thu, 01 Jun 2000 01:43:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 01:43:54 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25301 Inner covers are only needed if you use a telescopic cover so the answer to your question depends on what type of cover your new hives have. Personally, I think they make a good argument for using a migratory cover. They are quite expensive and the masonite ones are worthless once the moisture in a normal hive causes them to sag. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Matthew Pollard" wrote in message news:3935646E.3D08CA1E@uidaho.edu... > I have always used an inner cover. Why would you not use them. Should i > use them or not with my new hives? > Thanks once again. > Matthew > Article 25302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attbtf!att542!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Perco Frame Experience Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:30:55 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 21 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust247.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8h5g55$6ha$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <3933E67B.FAF1BD42@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust247.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25302 > I purchased 10 black Perco frames from Brushy Mountain to try out... the black > Percos aren't being drawn well. Most of the new comb is hanging down from the > top bar instead of being drawn out normal to the foundation.. Is it waxed or unwaxed? The waxed is accepted well in my experience, the unwaxed is not. FWIW, pictures of hives started on Pierco compared to Permadent are in my Diary. allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Over 1990 served... Article 25303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How threatened is our environment? Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 2000 08:33:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25303 As a hobbyist who gives presentations to school children, I am often asked how real is the danger to the environment (not enough honeybees left to pollinize flowers/crops, etc.)? How serious is this decline of honeybees? From reading the various magazines and books, I get a large range of views from "threatening", to extremely serious ("crisis"), to "endangered" (meaning things are ok but we could use help). I am further asked if there are any wild (feral) bees left? What I have read and been told is that all such honeybees have been wiped out, except for the few that are "out there" having swarmed from beekeepers and they won't last but a year or two without treatment. Is this correct from your observation/experience? One last question--it is my understanding that varola mites only infect honeybees--not wasps, hornets, mason bees, bumblebees, or yellowjackets. What about so-termed "killer bees"? I appreciate all the nice replies I've had to previous questions--you are sure a nice bunch of people out there..... Thanks for or swlerola miteslesshjnecametbim ilenate ize seflowers, etc. not pollenizahd Article 25304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Changing sizes of frames on the bees during a move Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 2000 08:38:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000601043807.29381.00001093@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25304 I have a new nuc of bees and don't have a large standard size brood chamber, and frankly, don't want another. Is there any method of getting the bees to move into a Western super (much smaller than the large size) and still not sacrificing the large numbers of brood on those frames in the nuc? Right now, I've had the nuc sitting on top of a Western, and then put a cut (partial) cover over the rest of the Western thinking that the bees would then move down for more activity (including the queen coming down and over to lay)--after three weeks, not much success. Now I'm thinking of simply moving the frames to another hive, and dusting off the bees onto an old, drawn Western and then feeding them for a few weeks. What do you think? Thanks. Article 25305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Uniting Colonies ?? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 2000 08:42:29 GMT References: <392C9E7F.7F23FABC@cornell.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000601044229.29381.00001094@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25305 I've always been told that, when reuniting colonies, the queen on the top will come out the winner..... Article 25306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joeblow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Much How Fast (Hive Development) Message-ID: References: <8h177e$qmo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: joeblow X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 46 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 05:48:24 EDT Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 05:52:17 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25306 In article <8h177e$qmo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rec01rec@my-deja.com says... > Doing my first hive and curious how much they should have done > > I am in New England and it is 25 days since the install... > > In the hive about half the frames have some type of comb, 3 have pretty > substantial comb built and about three sides of those have brood and > pollen in them. Bees are flying most days and appear pretty active. > > Questions: > 1.Anyway here is my question...does that sound about right for 25 days > into this? > 2. Related to the above, I have been unable to see the queen although I > see brood. The hive looked about the same today as it did a week and 2 > days ago. > > > Thanks, > > Ron Ellis > > FYI :amount of brood in there looks about the same as when I looked a > week and 2 days ago, and I was unable to see any eggs on any of the > frames (although they were pretty crowded with bees and I did not > disturb them). I did see a bee born/crawl out of the brood though which > was neat... > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Ron, You will notice that as the weather warms up the bees will build better comb and will build it faster. In cool weather they don't produce as much wax and this will slow down thier comb building. It has been 60 to 65 degrees up there by you lately maybe some days getting to 70 that is warm enough for them to get the hive started but wait till you hit 80 or so, the comb building will take off. Keep a log of what you do every time you go to the hive. I keep mine in a word document with the icon on my desk top. I'll bet you are having a ball... Buzz Article 25307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Grooming assay? Anyone have a methodology? Date: 2 Jun 2000 11:20:53 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8h8jcl$osa$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25307 Hello Folks. Does anyone have or know of (i.e. have a citation for) a field assay to determine if hives groom for varroa mites? In testing hives for mite grooming in 1995, I found all hives groom for mites somewhat. What is the difference between normal grooming and grooming that depletes the mite population, thus making grooming a phenotypic characteristic that could possibly be selected for? Anyone have any thoughts? Adam (note: this was also mailed to bee-l). -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 25308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeybees & Cotton Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 15:21:56 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <8h8je1$pf4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3933FEEB.8A6AC10C@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 02 15:21:56 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x62.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25308 "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote: >Is there a benefit to the farmer to >have honeybees foraging on his cotton? Would this increase cotton >yields? > > Billy Y. Smart II ******************************************************** Howdy Billy -- I'm glad John referred you to the McGregor pollination book. I hope you can get access to it, even though it is out of print. Briefly, he concludes that cotton is mostly self pollinating, bees do increase the yield. Farmers are generally cooperative in handling whatever spraying is necessary if you inform them. In 1940 I placed 8 colonies in the Red River vallely near Texarkana. They were split into 15 colonies the next spring and I extracted 1,500 pounds of honey from them in the fall. No trouble, but this was before the advent of DDT. The cotton honey was very light in color and very mild in taste, but sold well. Good luck. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3937E173.BB8A739C@riverace.com> From: Steve Huston Organization: Riverace Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Interpreting a sticky board test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 16:31:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.48.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 959963507 24.91.48.64 (Fri, 02 Jun 2000 12:31:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 12:31:47 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25309 Hi, I did a 48-hour test with Phero-Tech sticky board varroa trap in one of my hives (2 deeps, relatively full of bees). I counted about 130 mites. I did the same test in March and counted 3, so did not put in Apistan. This is in Massachusetts, US. Questions: 1. Am I in real trouble here? 2. I have 3 other hives in this yard (one is a recent split and has Apistan in it) - are they likely to be in trouble too? I ordered more sticky boards to test with, but they're not here yet. 3. Has anyone tried formic acid gel - what results did you have? Thanks, -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 25310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8KRZ4.1878$ip.95254@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> Subject: Re: How long before new queen does her thing Lines: 41 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 18:33:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.203.20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 959970787 12.72.203.20 (Fri, 02 Jun 2000 18:33:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 18:33:07 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25310 Yes, it is too early. Based on the dates you provide, figure she was about 2 days old when you saw her on the 25th so she should be going on her mating flights about now. Was this a package or nuc started late this year? I wonder why you are feeding this late. This could have contributed to their swarming as it will stimulate the queen to lay prodigiously. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Chris Bjelica" wrote in message news:8KRZ4.1878$ip.95254@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net... > My one and only hive swarmed on me on May 15th and the swarm escaped never > to be seen again. 2 days later, I opened up the hive and found some queen > cells. About one week after that (May 25th), I checked on them again and > found a new queen. Today, another week after spotting the new queen, I see > she is still there but see no signs of egg laying. One thing I have noticed > is that the colony is going through much more sugar water than they had > before (a quart per day as opposed to a quart every 3 or 4 days). > > I live in N.E. Ohio and it's been hot and humid lately. In the 80's. > > Is it too early for me to expect her to have mated and started laying eggs? > > Thanks, > Chris B. > cbjelica@gte.net > > > Article 25311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris Bjelica" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How long before new queen does her thing Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <8KRZ4.1878$ip.95254@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> X-Trace: /wLwTfqlE49Ve7smRwU7X0i+HYfqIYYxHsS5cfydfNEsbcvziQw4qXniZJMpAvRnt/W9ZtbUB2Gd!DsCCoqHaZMvGsFB2i+ngBEqzycVqBuUzdyvy1ccxtngqzwY8iaflzpe8r/OIHnf0jqYQmXnB1f8C!8MBUCQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 16:59:48 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 16:59:48 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25311 My one and only hive swarmed on me on May 15th and the swarm escaped never to be seen again. 2 days later, I opened up the hive and found some queen cells. About one week after that (May 25th), I checked on them again and found a new queen. Today, another week after spotting the new queen, I see she is still there but see no signs of egg laying. One thing I have noticed is that the colony is going through much more sugar water than they had before (a quart per day as opposed to a quart every 3 or 4 days). I live in N.E. Ohio and it's been hot and humid lately. In the 80's. Is it too early for me to expect her to have mated and started laying eggs? Thanks, Chris B. cbjelica@gte.net Article 25312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!12.127.17.134!attbtf!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees and Fungicides Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:22:58 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 31 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust148.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8h94gd$d9u$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust148.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25312 We're told that growers will be wanting to spray one or several of the following on canola crops that are in almost full bloom where we will have bees. I have the blue book pages but see *nothing* mentioned about bees. I have heard bad things about fungicides and bees. Has anyone here any experience with the following chemicals? Benlate Bravo 500 Ronilan EG Rovral Tatoo C I am told that the first four are pretty well harmless to bees. If so, which fungicides have I heard all the bad things about? Thanks in advance. allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Over 2100 served Article 25313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Uniting Colonies ?? Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 23:52:36 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8h9fcq$rk5$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <392C9E7F.7F23FABC@cornell.edu> <20000601044229.29381.00001094@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-227.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 959987930 28293 62.136.18.227 (2 Jun 2000 23:18:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2000 23:18:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25313 ...and you believed it? "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20000601044229.29381.00001094@ng-fd1.aol.com... > I've always been told that, when reuniting colonies, the queen on the top will > come out the winner..... > > Article 25314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid Question from Beginner > Are My Bees Dead Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 23:52:04 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 49 Message-ID: <8h9fcp$rk5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-227.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 959987929 28293 62.136.18.227 (2 Jun 2000 23:18:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2000 23:18:49 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25314 They are dead I am afraid. You do not say how you were feeding them, but if it was very cold then you would need to get the feed right to the cluster using something like a contact feeder. "joeblow" wrote in message news:MPG.13a000c670f6bd3f989682@news1.usenetserver.com... > In article <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rec01rec@my-deja.com says... > > Hi there, > > > > I am a beginner in NH and recently installed some > > package bees in this rotten weather (didn't get > > above 40 and was rainy for the past 14 days here > > in New England) I ahve a probabaly pretty basic > > question but I couldn't find any answers in the > > books I have or on the web... > > > > Stupid question - here it is > > > > I installed the bees about a week ago, noticed > > they weren't taking the sugar at all (it was > > cold). In any case I am not sure they are > > alive... checked them today (nice and warm > > finally - got up to 68 today...first day above 45 > > in 2 weeks) and they all basically look kind of > > frozen, or to me, dead? The ABC of Bee Culture > > says they sometimes look this way in the cold, > > but it was pretty warm today. Are they dead? > > Starved? What do you think? > > > > Thanks > > > > Ron E. > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > > Hi, > I don't want to alarm you but I had this experience too. If it reaches 65 > to 70 degrees bees should look like live bees. If they look slow and > listless kind of shivering, I would suspect some kind of poisening. The > chemical Sevin that some folks use will make your bees look frozen. Buzz > > Article 25315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news.csl-gmbh.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:13:30 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 59 Message-ID: <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-227.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 959987931 28293 62.136.18.227 (2 Jun 2000 23:18:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2000 23:18:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25315 Local view from UK Midlands: Plenty of bees, but only because there are beekeepers treating them; without treatment there would probably be none. Define feral! If we take it as 'wild' colonies that have not originated as a swarm from a beekeepers hive (not sure how you would prove that!) then I think it unlikely that any have survived - all those that I knew have died. However, the sites will be re-inhabited with swarms from treated hives, so it is likely that we will have a constant turnover of 'feral' colonies as they die out and the sites are re-inhabited. The important point is that without beekeepers there would certainly be very few bees and it is worrying that the numbers of beekeepers has declined dramatically since the onset of varroa; we are down to a core of experienced beekeepers who, by working hard, are coping with varroa. My understanding is that 'killer bees' have a shorter brood cycle and are therefore coping with varroa better - although, fortunately, I have no experience of them! "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com... > As a hobbyist who gives presentations to school children, I am often asked how > real is the danger to the environment (not enough honeybees left to pollinize > flowers/crops, etc.)? How serious is this decline of honeybees? From reading > the various magazines and books, I get a large range of views from > "threatening", to extremely serious ("crisis"), to "endangered" (meaning things > are ok but we could use help). > > I am further asked if there are any wild (feral) bees left? What I have read > and been told is that all such honeybees have been wiped out, except for the > few that are "out there" having swarmed from beekeepers and they won't last but > a year or two without treatment. Is this correct from your > observation/experience? > > One last question--it is my understanding that varola mites only infect > honeybees--not wasps, hornets, mason bees, bumblebees, or yellowjackets. What > about so-termed "killer bees"? > > I appreciate all the nice replies I've had to previous questions--you are sure > a nice bunch of people out there..... > > > Thanks for or swlerola miteslesshjnecametbim ilenate ize seflowers, etc. not > pollenizahd Article 25316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: General New Queen Questions Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 2000 23:42:26 GMT References: <39382213.EE00A587@uidaho.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000602194226.08096.00001193@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25316 Everything goes better with feed try 1-1 sugar syrup. Provide more details for better answers Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Javier Soto" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb - Actualización Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 01:30:45 +0200 Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.76.176 Message-ID: <39384449_4@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 3 Jun 2000 01:33:29 +0100, 195.5.76.176 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.nyc.globix.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.eurocyber.net!naxos.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!caladan.arrakis.es!195.5.76.176 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25317 Estimado/a @migo/a: @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería, ha sido actualizada el 3 de Junio del 2000. Hemos superado nuevamente las 4.000 visitas (4.097) situándonos en 35.510 desde el comienzo del espacio. http://www.agroweb-hispana.com Como gran novedad de esta actualización presentamos la posibilidad de estar inscrito en @groForo, el foro hispano de Agricultura y Ganadería, donde podrás estar en contacto, vía correo electrónico, con numerosas personas dedicadas a la agronomía y, por supuesto, en castellano. Esperamos, de nuevo, tu colaboración en esta nueva sección. Hemos actualizado nuestras secciones ya clásicas de: @groEscuela, con nuevos documentos sobre maquinaria de aplicación y plagas del algodón. Empezando una nueva serie sobre el congreso Hispano-Luso de Agricultura de conservación celebrado a finales de 1999. Además poseemos dos nuevas colaboraciones enviadas por vosotros. Elevándose la cifra actual a 76 documentos técnicos @groPreguntas - Ha vuelto a ser el sitio de encuentro para personas que buscan información agrícola. Este mes hemos recibido 97 cuestiones. @groNoticias - 47 noticias del sector para estar bien informados. @groEnlaces - Hemos añadido 96 nuevos enlaces, elevándose el número de enlaces a 2.300 de los cuales 1.300 son en nuestro idioma @groCursos - Con interesantes y numerosas novedades, alcanza la cifra de 121 cursos, jornadas, congresos y otros eventos clasificados. Article 25318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!hardy.tc.umn.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: General New Queen Questions Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 14:07:31 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 8 Message-ID: <39382213.EE00A587@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 959980538 1594 129.101.81.41 (2 Jun 2000 21:15:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2000 21:15:38 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25318 Have a few queen questions: There is a new queen in the hive but there are no eggs or capped brood whatsoever. What do i do? I suspect she is about 2 to 3 weeks old. Do i feed? How do i know if she is a virgin? I assume that i just should check back in a week and see if she is laying. Should i be worried? thanks matthew Article 25319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.crhc.uiuc.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!hardy.tc.umn.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: making sticky board and screen?? Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 14:39:15 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 5 Message-ID: <39382983.F5F6DB7D@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 959982442 2430 129.101.81.41 (2 Jun 2000 21:47:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2000 21:47:22 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25319 has anyone done this? what size screen do i want? What did you use for sticky stuff? Thanks Matthew Article 25320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: bosaiya@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Which type of pollen trap do you prefer? Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 01:22:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8h9mk7$k44$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.39.146.25 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 03 01:22:24 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.39.146.25 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbosaiya Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25320 Stupid machine crashed right as I was posting this last time so apologies if it duplicates. I'm wondering what type of pollen traps people prefer and why. Something that I could remove as needed seems nice, but I don't know if that's really important or not (again, any advice would be great). It seems like something that could be moved from hive to hive as needed would also be nice. Any ideas would be swell. Regards, Bosaiya .....designs to knock you out..... http://www.knockoutproductions.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Would like info please Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 2000 06:02:35 GMT References: <392343a8.11171209@news.nuthinbutnews.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000602020235.15503.00000234@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25321 I've found the magazines "Bee Culture" and "American Bee Journal" invaluable. And, for me, the best book(besides the classic "Hive and the Honeybee") as John Vivian's KEEPING BEES. Best to you. Lee Article 25322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3937F7BE.D28B675B@flash.net> From: Joe Esposito X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 11:07:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.179.164.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 960030437 199.179.164.235 (Sat, 03 Jun 2000 06:07:17 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 06:07:17 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25322 Sorry for bending your ears, but I had to tell someone who can relate to this. Well, my first year at beekeeping has not yet been a disaster. I joined the Cook-Dupage Beekeepers Club in northern Illinois, took a one-day course at McHenry College, bought two complete hives, each with two brood supers and two 6" supers. I installed my two 2-lb packages late April with just a brood box, minus one frame. On top of that I placed the inner cover, then a 6" super with a 3-gallon rubbermaid tub inside of it filled with sugar syrup. I put spacers between the cover and the tub so the bees could get thru the hole in the cover. I lined the tub with aluminum gutter gaurd so the bees could climb out. The packages arrived in a very healthy state and the bees didn't seem to mind me at all. But I kept them well smoked and well sprayed with sugar syrup while I was working. What a sticky mess! But no stings. I suppose I'm guilty of neglect, because I couldn't get back out there till 5 weeks later. The bees were still there and in a very good mood. I took that to mean I have a well-bred, laying queen in each hive, but I didn't go looking for her. The bees in each hive had filled the missing frame space with comb so I left it that way. I guess I should have installed the last frame much sooner. The sugar syrup was about half consumed. There were maybe 20 dead bees in each tub. The syrup had started to mold, so I removed it and left the half-filled tubs just outside the hives. The bees seemed to be ignoring the wax foundation frames I had given them, but I didn't remove any to check further. I did install a second brood box on each hive anyway. I removed a frame from each one because I didn't want to scrape off the comb they had attatched to the underside of the inner cover. The bees seemed too much to be loving it. The cells seemed to be filled with nectar. Also, they had built comb around the apistan strips, so I couldn't even find them. I don't expect any surplus this year anyway. I removed the formic acid packs. They didn't seem to have touched the brown patties I left for them. (I forgot already what they're called) So I left, once again with no stings. Now, tell me everything I did wrong. I can take it. Article 25323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!feeder.qis.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 07:16:22 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 82 Message-ID: <8hasps$ed6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com> <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-35.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 960034428 14758 209.130.165.35 (3 Jun 2000 12:13:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2000 12:13:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25323 ...and with ridiculously low honey prices, how can keepers stay in business? No beekeepers=no bees=less food pollination=higher food prices at the grocery store. This is not an easy business--if your not fighting tooth and nail against varroa, hive beetles, lobbying for anti-dumping, insectide spray offs, bears, africanized bees, sore backs, stings and the list goes on and on, just to make a decent buck while jumping through hoops with ever higher fuel, trucking, insurance, Honey Board Assessments, the list goes on and on, ever dependent on weather conditions, equipment dependabilty/breakdowns, maintainence of equipment, the list goes on and on and then "someone" pulls the rug from beneath you with .52 honey! And then there are taxes! Gee, I guess you can squeeze blood from a turnip! Otherwise I don't believe their is a treat to our environment, as long as there are beekeepers...my rant...I feel better now. --Busybee (who is seriously thinking of getting a "city" job) Peter Edwards wrote in message <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... >Local view from UK Midlands: > >Plenty of bees, but only because there are beekeepers treating them; >without treatment there would probably be none. > >Define feral! If we take it as 'wild' colonies that have not originated as >a swarm from a beekeepers hive (not sure how you would prove that!) then I >think it unlikely that any have survived - all those that I knew have died. >However, the sites will be re-inhabited with swarms from treated hives, so >it is likely that we will have a constant turnover of 'feral' colonies as >they die out and the sites are re-inhabited. > >The important point is that without beekeepers there would certainly be >very few bees and it is worrying that the numbers of beekeepers has declined >dramatically since the onset of varroa; we are down to a core of experienced >beekeepers who, by working hard, are coping with varroa. > >My understanding is that 'killer bees' have a shorter brood cycle and are >therefore coping with varroa better - although, fortunately, I have no >experience of them! > > >"LKLarson1" wrote in message >news:20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com... >> As a hobbyist who gives presentations to school children, I am often asked >how >> real is the danger to the environment (not enough honeybees left to >pollinize >> flowers/crops, etc.)? How serious is this decline of honeybees? From >reading >> the various magazines and books, I get a large range of views from >> "threatening", to extremely serious ("crisis"), to "endangered" (meaning >things >> are ok but we could use help). >> >> I am further asked if there are any wild (feral) bees left? What I have >read >> and been told is that all such honeybees have been wiped out, except for >the >> few that are "out there" having swarmed from beekeepers and they won't >last but >> a year or two without treatment. Is this correct from your >> observation/experience? >> >> One last question--it is my understanding that varola mites only infect >> honeybees--not wasps, hornets, mason bees, bumblebees, or yellowjackets. >What >> about so-termed "killer bees"? >> >> I appreciate all the nice replies I've had to previous questions--you are >sure >> a nice bunch of people out there..... >> >> >> Thanks for or swlerola miteslesshjnecametbim ilenate ize seflowers, etc. >not >> pollenizahd > > Article 25324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!btnet-peer0!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Hirons Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:13:11 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <39391277.93DBC623@btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-7-113-125.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25324 Theres a Club on Excite.Com called Beekeeping UK thats open really to anyone interested in Beekeeping. It could do with a few hobbyists putting up a few notes, pictures and a bit of input. To find it just look up www.excite.com and click on clubs. You can put anything up there and Beekeeping stories are especially welcome. Article 25325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris Bjelica" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8KRZ4.1878$ip.95254@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> Subject: Re: How long before new queen does her thing Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <9n9_4.1930$062.59863@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> X-Trace: /KiKeToHBlFROR2KNt3/ZnsruFKSUJr9LGhfCNtjQ1DohEWxkMwwxUFP05OHyrl1Xj3JusY7jcz1!SEA46pZMqB4wzp8eUv+4HCQGiQ/CQ2VyHYBoN2WDO2r1iW65JyT87nUm/Z9t2i5wu9qqlWc5G6a6!ZC64Aw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:20:37 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:20:37 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25325 George Styer wrote in message ... >Yes, it is too early. Based on the dates you provide, figure she was about 2 >days old when you saw her on the 25th so she should be going on her mating >flights about now. > >Was this a package or nuc started late this year? I wonder why you are >feeding this late. This could have contributed to their swarming as it will >stimulate the queen to lay prodigiously. It was a nuc started in mid-April. I thought that I was supposed to keep a feeder on unless I put honey supers on (not sure where I heard or read that). And I thought that I wanted the queen to lay as much as possible. Article 25326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jun 2000 18:17:44 GMT References: <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000603141744.12023.00001127@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25326 Peter wrote: I disagree. It seems that there is a new generation taking up beekeeping here in America, mostly hobbyists, who take varroa as a given, shrug it off and accept it as part of the background noise of beekeeping. For these people, varroa is "part of the way beekeeping has always been." Article 25327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Javier Soto" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groForo, el Foro Hispano de Agricultura y Ganaderia Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:08:05 +0200 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.79.57 Message-ID: <39396575$1_2@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 3 Jun 2000 22:07:17 +0100, 195.5.79.57 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!naxos.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!caladan.arrakis.es!195.5.79.57 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25327 Estimado/a Amigo/a: @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería. http://www.agroweb-hispana.com con el fin de facilitar y agilizar los vinculos entre las personas de habla hispana y que nos relacionamos con la Agricultura y Ganadería, acaba de crear @groForo Una lista de correo abierta a todas las personas que tengan inquietudes en el mundo Agrícola y Ganadero y deseen utilizar Internet para poder comunicarse con personas con similares inquietudes. Article 25328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Much How Fast (Hive Development) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 22:42:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8hc1jv$4rd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8h177e$qmo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 03 22:42:09 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25328 Thanks for the info...much appreciated. Are you up North as well? I was a little worried based on what the books said should be happening, but the queen has been laying and they have been flying in and out so I figured they must know what they are doing and I should just go with it. I have been having fun sitting next to the hive and watching them fly in and out on sunny days...also have a guy in western nh making me a nuc so I can get a second def healthy hive going as well... Ron In article , joeblow wrote: > Ron, > You will notice that as the weather warms up the bees will build better > comb and will build it faster. In cool weather they don't produce as much > wax and this will slow down thier comb building. It has been 60 to 65 > degrees up there by you lately maybe some days getting to 70 that is warm > enough for them to get the hive started but wait till you hit 80 or so, > the comb building will take off. Keep a log of what you do every time you > go to the hive. I keep mine in a word document with the icon on my desk > top. I'll bet you are having a ball... Buzz > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid Question from Beginner > Are My Bees Dead Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 22:59:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 72 Message-ID: <8hc2kh$5i9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8h9fcp$rk5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 03 22:59:34 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25329 Hi Peter, Curious..how do you feed right to the hive and what is a contact feeder? (It gets cold enough around here that this is prob something I should know)...also when would I use a division feeder vs. the entrance feeder... Thanks, Ron In article <8h9fcp$rk5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > They are dead I am afraid. > > You do not say how you were feeding them, but if it was very cold then you > would need to get the feed right to the cluster using something like a > contact feeder. > > "joeblow" wrote in message > news:MPG.13a000c670f6bd3f989682@news1.usenetserver.com... > > In article <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rec01rec@my-deja.com says... > > > Hi there, > > > > > > I am a beginner in NH and recently installed some > > > package bees in this rotten weather (didn't get > > > above 40 and was rainy for the past 14 days here > > > in New England) I ahve a probabaly pretty basic > > > question but I couldn't find any answers in the > > > books I have or on the web... > > > > > > Stupid question - here it is > > > > > > I installed the bees about a week ago, noticed > > > they weren't taking the sugar at all (it was > > > cold). In any case I am not sure they are > > > alive... checked them today (nice and warm > > > finally - got up to 68 today...first day above 45 > > > in 2 weeks) and they all basically look kind of > > > frozen, or to me, dead? The ABC of Bee Culture > > > says they sometimes look this way in the cold, > > > but it was pretty warm today. Are they dead? > > > Starved? What do you think? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Ron E. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > Hi, > > I don't want to alarm you but I had this experience too. If it reaches 65 > > to 70 degrees bees should look like live bees. If they look slow and > > listless kind of shivering, I would suspect some kind of poisening. The > > chemical Sevin that some folks use will make your bees look frozen. Buzz > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Light, Heat and Location Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 22:56:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8hc2e9$5ae$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 03 22:56:14 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25330 Have my hive in New England, and have some questions about location type stuff. My hive location has plenty of sun, but not all day long, and not as much all morning (it did until the leaves grew in)...is sun most important for: 1. heating up the hive (sun hits the hive and heats it up, gets the bees going) 2. light so bees get going (light goes in entrance and tells them it is a good day and gets them going). Just curious...(if it is heat my hive is prob ok, it it is light then I can angle it a little better to let the first mornign light in the entrance...confused) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!dc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Light, Heat and Location Message-ID: <3939a371.16746931@news.usit.net> References: <8hc2e9$5ae$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 32 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 00:37:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 960079089 216.80.168.203 (Sat, 03 Jun 2000 20:38:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 20:38:09 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25331 I think your fine. I have mine in the woods and they have done fine and this is a natural setting if you think about it. If they were to swarm or were wild bee's they would be located in the woods most likely. They say to face them east toward the rising sun so as to get them up and going in the mornings. I have eleven hives and they face north and south switching every other hive. GD Sat, 03 Jun 2000 22:56:14 GMT, rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: >Have my hive in New England, and have some questions about location >type stuff. > >My hive location has plenty of sun, but not all day long, and not as >much all morning (it did until the leaves grew in)...is sun most >important for: > >1. heating up the hive (sun hits the hive and heats it up, gets the >bees going) >2. light so bees get going (light goes in entrance and tells them it is >a good day and gets them going). > >Just curious...(if it is heat my hive is prob ok, it it is light then I >can angle it a little better to let the first mornign light in the >entrance...confused) > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 25332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com> <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <8hasps$ed6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Lines: 127 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 02:33:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.107.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 960086006 12.73.107.103 (Sun, 04 Jun 2000 02:33:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 02:33:26 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25332 As a hobbyist (7 hives) and a CPA here in Washington state. I given the plight of a commercial beekeeper some thought. Beekeeping is like any other farm business. It is labor (especially yours) and capital intensive, has low margins and very dependent upon the weather. Honey has become even more of a commodity and without an effective lobby (like wheat or apples) the price it brings will fall to that of the lowest, most likely foreign, producer, too low to sustain a business here in the U.S. How to survive in business when you produce a fungible product whose demand is static? Good question! Among my thoughts, which others have suggested, is that for the commercial bk, the production of honey has become a serious drag on the real business of crop pollination. What to do? Try to find the least expensive method to dispose of it or create a niche market, along with its costs, for the particular type of honey you produce. Whatever you do, turn the honey, as efficiently as possible, into cash as soon as possible. Organize locally - perhaps form a local cooperative. Share equipment, share other resources. BKs are notoriously independent which can and often does create friction among the very people who need to work together to survive. From the finding and keeping of pollination clientele to the treatment for disease bks often work at odds with one another - its simply counter-productive. Practices that may have worked well in the past, i.e., undercutting bids, unprofessional comments about competitors, etc. only work to the groups detriment and should be abandoned. A tall order I know. The group could commission a formal study of the local and surrounding markets for crop pollination. Develop realistic cost and revenue assumptions, i.e., take a true business approach to the business. Too much already, enough said. Howard Bowles, CPA (WA) For replies, remove 'nospam' from address. busybee wrote in message <8hasps$ed6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >...and with ridiculously low honey prices, how can keepers stay in business? >No beekeepers=no bees=less food pollination=higher food prices at the >grocery store. This is not an easy business--if your not fighting tooth and >nail against varroa, hive beetles, lobbying for anti-dumping, insectide >spray offs, bears, africanized bees, sore backs, stings and the list goes >on and on, just to make a decent buck while jumping through hoops with ever >higher fuel, trucking, insurance, Honey Board Assessments, the list goes on >and on, ever dependent on weather conditions, equipment >dependabilty/breakdowns, maintainence of equipment, the list goes on and on >and then "someone" pulls the rug from beneath you with .52 honey! And then >there are taxes! Gee, I guess you can squeeze blood from a turnip! > >Otherwise I don't believe their is a treat to our environment, as long as >there are beekeepers...my rant...I feel better now. > >--Busybee (who is seriously thinking of getting a "city" job) > >Peter Edwards wrote in message <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... >>Local view from UK Midlands: >> >>Plenty of bees, but only because there are beekeepers treating them; >>without treatment there would probably be none. >> >>Define feral! If we take it as 'wild' colonies that have not originated as >>a swarm from a beekeepers hive (not sure how you would prove that!) then I >>think it unlikely that any have survived - all those that I knew have died. >>However, the sites will be re-inhabited with swarms from treated hives, so >>it is likely that we will have a constant turnover of 'feral' colonies as >>they die out and the sites are re-inhabited. >> >>The important point is that without beekeepers there would certainly be >>very few bees and it is worrying that the numbers of beekeepers has >declined >>dramatically since the onset of varroa; we are down to a core of >experienced >>beekeepers who, by working hard, are coping with varroa. >> >>My understanding is that 'killer bees' have a shorter brood cycle and are >>therefore coping with varroa better - although, fortunately, I have no >>experience of them! >> >> >>"LKLarson1" wrote in message >>news:20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com... >>> As a hobbyist who gives presentations to school children, I am often >asked >>how >>> real is the danger to the environment (not enough honeybees left to >>pollinize >>> flowers/crops, etc.)? How serious is this decline of honeybees? From >>reading >>> the various magazines and books, I get a large range of views from >>> "threatening", to extremely serious ("crisis"), to "endangered" (meaning >>things >>> are ok but we could use help). >>> >>> I am further asked if there are any wild (feral) bees left? What I have >>read >>> and been told is that all such honeybees have been wiped out, except for >>the >>> few that are "out there" having swarmed from beekeepers and they won't >>last but >>> a year or two without treatment. Is this correct from your >>> observation/experience? >>> >>> One last question--it is my understanding that varola mites only infect >>> honeybees--not wasps, hornets, mason bees, bumblebees, or yellowjackets. >>What >>> about so-termed "killer bees"? >>> >>> I appreciate all the nice replies I've had to previous questions--you are >>sure >>> a nice bunch of people out there..... >>> >>> >>> Thanks for or swlerola miteslesshjnecametbim ilenate ize seflowers, etc. >>not >>> pollenizahd >> >> > > Article 25333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 23:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200006040303.XAA25270@cotse.com> From: "Anon" Subject: cancel this Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: Cotse X-Anon-1: This is a pseudo-anonymous message, the sender cannot be verified. X-Anon-2: It did not originate from any address listed in the message. X-Abuse-to: abuse@cotse.com X-Comments: Anonymous mail2news gate web interface - http://packetderm.cotse.com/anonnews.htm. X-Comments-2: Our policies about abuse - http://packetderm.cotse.com/cgi-bin/blockit.cgi Mail-To-News-Contact: abuse@zedz.net Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.siscom.net!news.itconsult.net!news.zedz.net!sewer-output!mail2news Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25333 just a test. C.K. Article 25334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8KRZ4.1878$ip.95254@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> <9n9_4.1930$062.59863@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> Subject: Re: How long before new queen does her thing Lines: 47 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <0Kj_4.2314$2b4.147702@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 03:07:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.98 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 960088060 12.72.205.98 (Sun, 04 Jun 2000 03:07:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 03:07:40 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25334 A nuc "shouldn't" swarm in 2 months. A likely combination of things contributed to it. My thoughts would be: 1. old queen 2. stimulated by feed 3. congested with nowhere to store syrup and the queen to lay Not sure where you are located, but perhaps you should have added a 2nd brood chamber sooner. Be patient and wait for the new queen to lay and add another brood chamber when she does. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Chris Bjelica" wrote in message news:9n9_4.1930$062.59863@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net... > > George Styer wrote in message ... > >Yes, it is too early. Based on the dates you provide, figure she was about > 2 > >days old when you saw her on the 25th so she should be going on her mating > >flights about now. > > > >Was this a package or nuc started late this year? I wonder why you are > >feeding this late. This could have contributed to their swarming as it will > >stimulate the queen to lay prodigiously. > > > It was a nuc started in mid-April. > > I thought that I was supposed to keep a feeder on unless I put honey > supers on (not sure where I heard or read that). And I thought that I > wanted the queen to lay as much as possible. > > > > Article 25335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ed" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa and Tracheal Mites--Inherited Resistance Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 03:38:13 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.129.239 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 960107511 216.80.129.239 (Sun, 04 Jun 2000 04:31:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 04:31:51 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25335 FYI, I recently received this e-mail from a USDA entomologist regarding inheritance of Varroa and Tracheal Mite resistance traits: >How resistant to varroa are Russian outcrosses? "I think it depends on the outcross. Some are and some are not at all resistant." >Is resistance dominant in half-breeds? "No, in the best case the out crosses would be somewhat resistant. But, I know of at least one cross where the domestic susceptability is dominant." >I ordered open-mated, full blooded Russian queens this spring. So far, I am very pleased with the results. Bees that get mites on them vibrate and jump around until they get attention from the others. "That is good. It suggests that they may be at least somewhat resistant." >In your opinion, what races of bees are the most resistant to tracheal mites? "The darker bees from northern Europe generally are more resistant to tracheal mites. However, many US bee breeders are trying to improve thier stocks for tracheal mite resistance. The genetics are rather simple for tm resistance, so those that try to improve their stock can do so rather easily. " -- Ed http://www.geocites.com/RainForest/Canopy/1436/ Article 25336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <393A3622.96B3483E@zzclinic.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 06:57:38 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: JMitc1014 Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? References: <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <20000603141744.12023.00001127@ng-fy1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p2-38.clinic.net X-Trace: 4 Jun 2000 05:57:07 -0400, d-p2-38.clinic.net Lines: 23 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!d-p2-38.clinic.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25336 JMitc1014 wrote: > > Peter wrote: > beekeepers who, by working hard, are coping with varroa.> > > I disagree. > It seems that there is a new generation taking up beekeeping here in America, > mostly hobbyists, who take varroa as a given, shrug it off and accept it as > part of the background noise of beekeeping. For these people, varroa is "part > of the way beekeeping has always been." I agree for most who had few hives- and few could be as many as 50. At our State beekeepers meetings I have noticed a gradual transition from the old timers to new beekeepers. The old timers- not old beekeepers- stayed with the tried and true and lost everything. The new ones took mites as a given and treated from day one. Plus, our beekeeping schools are thriving. Lots of gardeners and fruit growers want to have pollinators- the reason I started keeping bees. Bill T Bath, ME -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. Article 25337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 10:42:47 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <393a3243.62355968@news1.radix.net> References: <20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25337 On 01 Jun 2000 08:33:15 GMT, lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) wrote: >As a hobbyist who gives presentations to school children, I am often asked how >real is the danger to the environment (not enough honeybees left to pollinize >flowers/crops, etc.)? How serious is this decline of honeybees? From reading >the various magazines and books, I get a large range of views from >"threatening", to extremely serious ("crisis"), to "endangered" (meaning things >are ok but we could use help). > I think the biggest threat is someone teaching our children made up words like pollinize! beekeep Article 25338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 10:49:59 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <393a32ed.62526345@news1.radix.net> References: <20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com> <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <8hasps$ed6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25338 On Sun, 04 Jun 2000 02:33:26 GMT, "Howard Bowles" wrote: >As a hobbyist (7 hives) and a CPA here in Washington state. I given the >plight of a commercial beekeeper some thought. >Beekeeping is like any other farm business. It is labor (especially yours) >and capital intensive, has low margins and very dependent upon the weather. >Honey has become even more of a commodity and without an effective lobby >(like wheat or apples) the price it brings will fall to that of the lowest, >most likely foreign, producer, too low to sustain a business here in the >U.S. When the Washington state apple crop is harvested they are advertized nationwide and the housewife LOOKS for the Washington label. When's the last time you heard a buy U.S. honey ad on the radio? Our own National Honey Board doesn't even advocate U.S. honey! Until the housewife is convinced to look for the "produced" in the U.S. label sales will be stale. Greg the beekeep Article 25339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive in a tree Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jun 2000 12:17:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000604081756.06462.00000536@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25339 I'm a new beekeeper been doing it a little over a year, I have 5 hives in CT last friday we had a bad storm and a big oak tree fell not far from me there is a huge honey bee hive in the trunk, the trunk split wide open you can see all the comb all the bees there is loads of old comb and new comb, The people want to save the bees and so do I they said that as long as they lived there ther was a hive in that tree (30 years) How can I get this into a hive body? .... I don't know if the queen made it through the fall, I'll probly get the heck stung out of me but I think it is worth, they must be a good wintering bee stock and I would love to get the bees out of there plus the experance of doing something like this I would love to hear any coments of what you would do. Thanks Jim Article 25340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa and Tracheal Mites--Inherited Resistance Date: 4 Jun 2000 08:39:47 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8hdimj$du3$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25340 Remember: the basis of any desirable trait in a line, strain, breed. landrace, c.v., variety, ecotype, whatever, is the availability of a tangible factor to select for. Ask any apicultural researcher what causes suceptability to varroa mites or tracheal mites and they'll look sheepish. They do not know. Bee breeders who have had success, use selection to work for them. For example, in the H.I.P. project (see metalab.unc.edu/bees --> click on pointers) breeders and beekeepers have selected lines of bees that have survived without any treatment in heavily infested areas of varroa mite. They do not know exactly why the bees survive, but they do. Same with tracheal mites. There are a few good papers on why certain strains of honey bees might be more resistant to varroa: one paper looks at the way the bee's mandible is shaped, and how it is more efficient in cutting mite's body parts. This is research that can be very useful to a bee breeder: now how can a test be devised to determine if one's bees have sharp or dull mandibles without spending days actually looking at bees with visual enhancing apparatus? Another series of papers illustrates how bees can be selected for an "anti-varroa" factor and how this is heritable (able to be passed on to offspring). The research doesn't explicate how the bees deal with the mites, just that they do and how to select for the bees that do. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 25341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: H.I.P. project's URL Date: 4 Jun 2000 08:49:09 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8hdj85$ee9$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25341 Here's the url to the H.I.P. project: http://Griffes.tripod.com/HIP1.html -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 25342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive in a tree Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 15:30:14 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <393a7329.78970725@news1.radix.net> References: <20000604081756.06462.00000536@ng-cq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25342 On 04 Jun 2000 12:17:56 GMT, jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) wrote: >I'm a new beekeeper been doing it a little over a year, I have 5 hives in CT >last friday we had a bad storm and a big oak tree fell not far from me there is >a huge honey bee hive in the trunk, the trunk split wide open you can see all >the comb all the bees there is loads of old comb and new comb, The people want >to save the bees and so do I they said that as long as they lived there ther >was a hive in that tree (30 years) How can I get this into a hive body? .... >I don't know if the queen made it through the fall, I'll probly get the heck >stung out of me but I think it is worth, they must be a good wintering bee >stock and I would love to get the bees out of there plus the experance of doing >something like this I would love to hear any coments of what you would do. >Thanks Jim Actually, it has been my experience that the bees tollerate being handled after such an event fairly calmly. I was asked to pick up a hive that had been tossed by a tornado and didn't really need a veil. Somehow they know when they are being helped! Take regular hive bodies with frames but no foundation, a bottom board, inner cover, and a top. A box or rubber bands or string is also needed. Carefully cut the combs so that the fit into the frames and hold them in place with the rubberbands. Put each frame in the hive as you go. Before you know it the bees will take over the hive. Concentrate on getting the brood combs with brood not the honey. The bees can transfer the honey. They can't move the brood. Keep shaking the bees into the hive as you work. Many will stay with the brood. After you have done what you can, button up the hive and leave it for a couple of days so that they have time to move the honey and sercure the combs into the frames. I still have brood frames that were obtained this way in use after many years. After a couple of weeks the rubber bands can be cut to be removed. The bees will remove string by themselves. Greg the beekeep Article 25343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: 2rubes@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Two many supers combining. Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 16:29:01 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8he040$cns$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.146.179 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jun 04 16:29:01 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x56.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.224.146.179 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUID2rubes Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25343 Hi, we are three year bee keepers. We came into spring with 4 strong hives of 4 medium supers each. One swarmed which we captured. We took frames with queen cells from that mother hive and made nukes. A few weeks later, when we saw we had 3 laying queens, we divided the other 3 hives and used the queens on half. Some of the hives got very strong where we added a third medium super. With the onset of our blackberry honey flow, we are combining these hives, using the strongest and/or youngest queens, our hives are now 5 supers high, and we are putting on honey supers. My questions 1. How do we get back to 3 supers, which was what I started with? 2.And, do I still have to check for swarm cells? We still found a few (made more nukes) when we were doing the divides. Thank you so much. Janet Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news1-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Geoff Aucklland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long before new queen does her thing Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 18:29:55 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.44.205.249 X-Trace: news1-hme0 960139980 195.44.205.249 (Sun, 04 Jun 2000 18:33:00 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 18:33:00 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25344 So how long does it take for the new queen to start to lay? My hives swarmed nearly 4 weeks ago and there is still no sign of brood or eggs despite lots of bees and active foraging. I never can find the queen so the fact that I haven't found her is of no help. -- Geoff Article 25345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: 2rubes@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: making sticky board and screen?? Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 18:34:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 141 Message-ID: <8he7eo$hvi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39382983.F5F6DB7D@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.146.179 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jun 04 18:34:00 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.224.146.179 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUID2rubes Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25345 In article <39382983.F5F6DB7D@uidaho.edu>, Matthew Pollard wrote: > has anyone done this? what size screen do i want? What did you use for > sticky stuff? > Thanks > Matthew > > Hi, my husband made 6 screens to use in our hives. They are great. He used standard window screen. We got aluminum sheets from our local newspaper, cut them to fit with tabs to pull out of the hive (very important). We coat the aluminum with vegetable oil that we keep in a large green lemon juice squeeze bottle. If we are not counting mites, we clean them once a week with an old sock and apply new vegetable oil. Here is some correspondence with Dadent and our state bee guy that is real interesting. Dadent letters: Hi, I just wanted to make sure. We have the varroa mite screens on our > hives with sticky boards underneath. Of course I lost the instructions > and now I can not even find your catalogue. And now I am counting > mites. I am monitoring 6 hives and the most I have found is 50 mites in > 4 days. > Questions: > 1. I am pretty sure your instructions said something like, you would > have an infestation you would have to treat if you counted 100 mites in > 48 hours (without strips hanging). Is this correct? > 2. I can only see the large brownish red oval mites. What about > immature and so on that I can not really see? Is there something I could > do to calculate them in? Is that important? > 3. I tried doing a grid and count the mites in the grid, but some of > the time I only have one, and a lot of the time I have none. Can I use > this method (so much faster) or would I be risking miscounting? > > Thank you for your time. I am very happy about the screens, I feel it > is wiping out varroa mites, these guys are dead and out of there. Answers 1. yes 2. The immature mites and very small males are inside cells feeding on developing brrod. The lage reddish oval mites are female that are newly emerged. Hard to calculate and quantify the mites not seen. That is why the rule of thumb of x amount in 48 hours has been chosen. 3. If you are only trying to identify the threshold of 100 mites in 48 hours then the grid system with only 6 hives may be misleading. At this time of the year the bees are out reproducing mites. When fall comes and the bee population decreases and the mites doesn't thats when your ratio of mites to bees gets overwhelming. A varroa screen is great but you may want to use drone comb and Formic Acid in late ssummer to stay ahead. Take Care, Jerry Hayes And to Eric Mussen, California > Being our state apiarist, do you agree with this (Dandant's ) guideline? This guideline, as you call it, or an "economic threshold" as pest management specialist would call it, probably is as good as any. The problem is that a colony can handle up to 10,000 mites with little damage or loss of productivity, if the mites are not vectoring RNA virus diseases. If the viruses are around, only a few hundred mites will be devastating. Do your bees or the mites in them have "deformed wing virus?" Your only clue is seeing dead pupae or very young emerged workers that have runty or terribly malformed wings. Their abdomens are likely to be shrunken, too. > I have counted 30-60 mites in 48 hours. I have counted 50-80 mites >after one week. I put Apistan strips in the fall and in early spring >we did not have any mites so I did not use them in the spring. I have >not seen any chewed wings recently and only 2 mites on bees out six >hives Drs. Keith Delaplane and Michael Hood suggest that the economic threshold in the southeastern U.S. is between 59-187 naturally fallen mites, per night, in August, and 0.6-10.2 mites in February. > Yesterday I tried putting Tobacco in my smoker (about 10 >cigarettes). According to what I read, you are supposed to close the >hive for one minute which I didn't do. The bees fled from the smoke. I >will examine the boards for mite drop after 48 hours. There was a special, high-nicotine tobacco product on the market for this purpose, available for Joel Willard Productions, 61 S. Herbert Road, Riverside, IL 60546 [(708) 447-2291] or FAX (708) 447-1158. > My questions are: > Could I make a grid and count the mites in the grid and still be >somewhat accurate? Yes, grids will work fine, but they have to be "fair." One researcher made a grid with one inch squares on it. Using a random numbers generator, she blacked out three-quarters of the squares. She multiplies what she finds in the remaining squares by 4. > I think there are more mites in the center strip >under the brood nest where I can pick up maybe 2 in a 3" grid, but then >a lot of the grids are empty.. I am not sure how to work it. If you know that only certain places are likely to have mites, use that as your "world." Divide it into squares, "randomly" eliminate a significant portion of the squares (don't just pick a bunch, your brain isn't random enough), count the remaining squares and multiply by the appropriate factor. > Also, I have been finding a beige translucent mite. Is that an >immature or do they shed their skins like a molt, do I count those as >well? Only count the dark ones. Immature female mites are lighter in color, but they are doomed, reproductively, so they don't count. The mites do molt as they grow, but the shed skins only show up after the bee emerges from the cell and the workers clean up the cell for the next larva. Eric. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com> <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <8hasps$ed6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <393a32ed.62526345@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 19:34:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.106.79 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 960147240 12.73.106.79 (Sun, 04 Jun 2000 19:34:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 19:34:00 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25346 Yes, I agree. While I have read articles in the bk magazines I am still uncertain just what the Honey board does. Article 25347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: medical propolis Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:26:07 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8hef1a$6jd$2@lure.pipex.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: userdw07.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 960151402 6765 62.188.8.1 (4 Jun 2000 20:43:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2000 20:43:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25347 Teri Bachus wrote ... for information purposes only..... > Beehive Material Fights Ulcer Bacteria > > SAN DIEGO (Reuters Health) - Propolis, a material used by bees in the > construction and maintenance of their hives, has been a folk remedy used for centuries in > many cultures to fight infections............etc. In recent hospital skin tests I was found to react to propolis which causes me to have cracked and hard skin on the palms of my hands. I have met one or two other beekeepers who have similar problems, which is what made me suggest that propolis and dirty beeswax be included in the substances tested on me. Are there others out there who agree with me that it is a little risky to look on propolis as a wonder folklore cure-all, rather than the varnish component it really is? Hands up all you beekeepers with a skin problem on your hands. Martin. Article 25348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Extractor Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:06:07 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 38 Message-ID: <8hef15$6jd$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <392E79D5.CA6A0E07@mail.which.net> <8grsm4$87b$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdw07.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 960151397 6765 62.188.8.1 (4 Jun 2000 20:43:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2000 20:43:17 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25348 Maybe it's hotter here in Milton Keynes, but I had trouble with double glazing units cracking up when the sun was at its best. I found the solution was to use several strips of glass about 20cm wide across the home made wooden frame of the lid of the extractor (use a real window frame with thin rails tacked in to hold the glass loosely) . That way they can all expand and contract at their own rate and you get less breakages, and also it's not a disaster if one cracks - you only have to replace one strip of glass. Another reason in my case is that I am a recycling freak and you can cut strips from any old discarded glass. Cutting glass is a lot easier than most people think, but remember to run another bit of (scrap) glass firmly along the new cut edges to blunt them. Highest temp. recorded in my solar extractor: 119C. As this is a lot too hot for the good of the wax I adapted the foot end of the box to have an outlet. Wax runs out into external temperature collector when it melts and does not sit in the hot box going brown. To tell the truth I mostly just melt old wax on a cooker with rainwater these days as I can do that independent of the weather or season. Martin. Peter Edwards wrote in message news:8grsm4$87b$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk... > Sun??? You are an optimist given the weather that we have had just lately. > > Plenty of beekeeping books have drawings of solar extractors, but I would > suggest that you start with the glass. An old sealed double glazing unit is > ideal (often available from double glazing companies) and this will then > determine the final size - get one as large as possible. > > "Mark Johnson" wrote in message > news:392E79D5.CA6A0E07@mail.which.net... > > Hi, does anyone have a plan/instructions for making a solar was > > extractor? .......> > > > Mark Article 25349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid Question from Beginner > Are My Bees Dead Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:22:53 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 103 Message-ID: <8hensf$ikl$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8h9fcp$rk5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <8hc2kh$5i9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-213.fluorine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 960160463 19093 62.136.8.213 (4 Jun 2000 23:14:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2000 23:14:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25349 In the UK beekeepers mainly use two types of feeder. The first choice for most is the Miller or Ashforth type which looks rather like a shallow super but with a solid bottom. This goes on the top of the hive and holds 2-3 gallons of syrup; there is a slot or hole, either in the centre or at the side, where the bees can come up to feed and there is a 'fence' which stops them drowning in the syrup. This type is good for feeding bees in the autumn ready for winter. However, if the weather is cold, then the bees will not break the cluster to go to the syrup. One way of overcoming this is to use a contact feeder, which is basically a plastic bucket with a tight fitting lid with some fine mesh wire cloth set in the middle of the lid. The bucket is filled with syrup and then inverted over the colony. By placing it on the top bars the bees can feed without having to leave the cluster. Disadvantages are that variations in temperature can cause the feeder to dispense syrup rather faster than the bees can cope with it and you do need an empty super around the bucket to put the roof on. My own preference is for baker's fondant, a mixture of powdered sugar (not icing sugar which has additives) and glucose; it is used by bakers to cover cakes, comes in 12.5kg blocks, and can be used for feeding at any time of the year simply by cutting off a lump and placing it over the colony. Entrance feeders are very rare in the UK; division board feeders are sometimes used in nucleus hives, but would not really be large enough for anything other than a very small colony. wrote in message news:8hc2kh$5i9$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Hi Peter, > > Curious..how do you feed right to the hive and what is a contact > feeder? (It gets cold enough around here that this is prob something I > should know)...also when would I use a division feeder vs. the entrance > feeder... > > Thanks, > > Ron > > In article <8h9fcp$rk5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, > "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > > They are dead I am afraid. > > > > You do not say how you were feeding them, but if it was very cold > then you > > would need to get the feed right to the cluster using something like a > > contact feeder. > > > > "joeblow" wrote in message > > news:MPG.13a000c670f6bd3f989682@news1.usenetserver.com... > > > In article <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rec01rec@my-deja.com > says... > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in NH and recently installed some > > > > package bees in this rotten weather (didn't get > > > > above 40 and was rainy for the past 14 days here > > > > in New England) I ahve a probabaly pretty basic > > > > question but I couldn't find any answers in the > > > > books I have or on the web... > > > > > > > > Stupid question - here it is > > > > > > > > I installed the bees about a week ago, noticed > > > > they weren't taking the sugar at all (it was > > > > cold). In any case I am not sure they are > > > > alive... checked them today (nice and warm > > > > finally - got up to 68 today...first day above 45 > > > > in 2 weeks) and they all basically look kind of > > > > frozen, or to me, dead? The ABC of Bee Culture > > > > says they sometimes look this way in the cold, > > > > but it was pretty warm today. Are they dead? > > > > Starved? What do you think? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Ron E. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > Hi, > > > I don't want to alarm you but I had this experience too. If it > reaches 65 > > > to 70 degrees bees should look like live bees. If they look slow and > > > listless kind of shivering, I would suspect some kind of poisening. > The > > > chemical Sevin that some folks use will make your bees look > frozen. Buzz > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 25350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:46:06 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8hensi$ikl$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <20000603141744.12023.00001127@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-213.fluorine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 960160466 19093 62.136.8.213 (4 Jun 2000 23:14:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2000 23:14:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25350 Glad to hear it. This is not the general experience in the UK. "JMitc1014" wrote in message news:20000603141744.12023.00001127@ng-fy1.aol.com... > Peter wrote: > beekeepers who, by working hard, are coping with varroa.> > > I disagree. > It seems that there is a new generation taking up beekeeping here in America, > mostly hobbyists, who take varroa as a given, shrug it off and accept it as > part of the background noise of beekeeping. For these people, varroa is "part > of the way beekeeping has always been." Article 25351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Light, Heat and Location Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:44:24 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 51 Message-ID: <8hensh$ikl$2@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8hc2e9$5ae$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-213.fluorine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 960160465 19093 62.136.8.213 (4 Jun 2000 23:14:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2000 23:14:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25351 This could start a debate about the ideal hive and apiary location! Here are 10 ideas for starters: 1. Facing SE is said to be ideal, but I know that Brother Adam had hives in his home apiary in blocks of four - each pointing in a different direction; he could detect no difference in performance. 2. Good air drainage in winter - avoid frost pockets. 3. Woodland can be good in summer as it provides shade, but can be very damp and dark in winter. Shade can also be provided by growing plants such as runner beans on the south side of the hives - as the summer gets hotter, the beans will provide more shade. 4. Good windbreaks are essential - the ideal is a hedge as this will slow the wind without the turbulence that a wall will cause. 5. Good access - at all times of the year! 6. Away from paths used