June 97 Article 8388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!gatech!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!snowcrest!usenet From: beesong@snowcrest.net (Kate Bauer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are the Bees in Your Clover? Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:55:26 -0700 Organization: Bee Song Honey Farms Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <19970503033400.XAA01329@ladder01.news.aol.com> <5ku7o9$iog$1@nntp.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp187.snowcrest.net X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v1.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8388 [snip] > I object to calling the european honey bee a white man's flie. The bee is > something introduced by settlers at a time when no alternatives were known. [snip] The poster was simply referring correctly to what the Native Americans called honeybees ("white man's flies") in the historical sense and is not being derogatory toward European honeybees. The native peoples in North America had not previously seen honeybees and called them "flies" because that was the closest thing they could relate to entomologically. Article 8389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.netside.com!usenet From: jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com (John K. Warsaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lifting frames Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 18:00:18 GMT Organization: The Netside Network Lines: 11 Message-ID: <338dc2d6.10534167@news.netside.com> References: <338CA94C.2CD6@polisci.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mx41-84.netside.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8389 I lift out frames with a frame lifter! It grabs the frames by the top bar and allows me to pull straight up. It also holds tightly enough to let me turn the frames around for inspection. These tools are widely available in stores or by mail. I also use a special hive tool that is flat, with a J shape and a notch at one end, which I bought from Brushy Mountain Bee Farm. This handy device allows me to pop free frames held in nine frame spacers, and is much easier than a regular hive tool if you are using spacers. -- PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 8390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey production Date: Fri, 30 May 97 10:07:56 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <17B7E8E7FS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <338CB5EE.FD32E4D0@dave-world.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8390 In article <338CB5EE.FD32E4D0@dave-world.net> Eric Marshall writes: > >How much excess honey does the average hive produce in Illinois per >year? > >Thanks. > An Illinois super usually holds about 35-40 pounds ;-) Article 8391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!157.161.139.30!imp.ch!tisdial2.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! Getting rid of Bees without killing them Date: 26 May 97 20:15:02 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 16 Message-ID: <01bc6a11$6b95d0e0$2a80a19d@default> References: <3387e4da.526856015@news.texas.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8391 asdfa schrieb im Beitrag <3387e4da.526856015@news.texas.net>... > I've got a large infestation of bees in a wall on the outside of my > garage. I'd like to get rid of the suckers without killing them. Unfortunately, there is no method that would compel a swarm with queen to leave its newly elected home! One may try with a hose attached to a vacuum cleaner to aspirate them out of walls or insulated roofs. This is best done within the first few days before the swarm has built combs and filled them with honey and brood. The opening should be sealed carefully or re-colonisation by another swarm is likely to occur. Good luck! francis Article 8392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Andy Nachbaur" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: See Brian Ferguson's Bee Pics Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:22:13 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <5mngft$47p$1@zinger.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n1-102-44.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8392 First , sorry for the "cock up" and trashing all your mail boxes with duplicate messages. Using beta software sometimes does that. Allen Dick has made space on his system for Brian's beekeeping pictures and you can find them at: http://www.internode.net/Honeybee/WildBees/ Because they turned out better then anything I expected I will try to get Brian to take more time away from his busy schedule keeping his bee business on the road and take some more.. I also will try to get more details on the camera he is using, and also what is in the pictures. Also would be happy to have other internet sites that would like to display a few beekeeping pictures. My collection is small but growing and I still have the Orange Bloom pics and others that could be used...including a couple of how Leaf Cutter bees are housed and used to pollinate alfalfa seed. ttul Andy- Article 8393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!europa.clark.net!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!TOM From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees to Sections, Help. Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 23:42:59 +0100 Organization: home Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bc63c5$8a04aa80$LocalHost@iol.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.02 Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8393 In article <01bc63c5$8a04aa80$LocalHost@iol.ie>, =?iso- 8859-1?q?Se=E1n_Corcoran?= writes >Hello there. >A friend of mine tells me that he has difficulty getting his bees to go up >to work on sections >He cannot find reason why. >Have you any ideas, suggestions, advice for him?. > >I am a newcomer to Beekeeping having bought my first Bees yesterday. > >Thanks, >Sean. > Hello Sean, Excuse me if I am repeating other replies you may have had, but my modem has been out of action for 3 weeks and I'm just catching up. Bees usually have to be crowded to work sections, and unless you have a young queen or it is late in the season, (e.g. heather time - October, in the UK.) they tend to swarm. Regards -- Tom S Article 8394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Looks For Books... Date: 31 May 1997 03:50:15 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 46 Message-ID: <01bc6d75$ca11d9e0$528cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh2-18.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri May 30 10:50:15 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8394 Stasia Vishnevsky-Wussow wrote in article ... > Hi! We have three acres of land and would like to keep bees for the > purpose of enjoying them as well as for making a little honey. Can someone > please recommend a couple of good starter books? "Guide to Bees and Honey" by Ted Hooper & Roger Morse "The Hive and the Honey Bee" 1992 revised edition, edited by Joe Graham >We live in Wisconsin...if > that matters for the type of bees, You want good Northern bees. Bees that overwinter well and are frugal with stores. Probably Buckfast, Carniolan, or Caucasian - your choice. > or hive, Go with standard type equipment - if you buy package bees then size of brood chambers is completely up to you. If you buy Nucs (short for nucleus colonies) then you must use at least one hive body with the same depth frame as your Nuc producer. >or whatever. Thanks very much > for your help. You are welcome and wished all the best - it is nice to be on this newsgroup where people are friendly and helpful - 'tis not like that everywhere on UseNet. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <338CD4C6.7C5A@prostar.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:58:45 -0800 From: Dan Kiehnle Reply-To: liggy@prostar.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Lacemaker Subject: Re: Columbus OH beekeeper-HELP References: <01bc68ab$16be5540$c04993cf@worldnet.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.212.7 Lines: 11 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!gmv.es!btnet-feed3!unlisys!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!208.8.204.10!news.prostar.com!208.8.212.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8395 Boy, I wish I could help, I love capturing swarms. Alas, I am on Vashon Island, three miles off of Seattle, Wa. Oh well. If you'd like to capture them for yourself, a good way is to get a salmon net, or something like it...a net with an opening of about 2 feet across. Line it with a plastic garbage bag and climb up on a ladder to reach the ball of bees. Grab the branch they're on and give it a good hard shake once or twice. The bees fall into the garbage bag, you come down to the ground, you dump the bees out onto a hive with the cover removed. The bees crawl into their new home, you place a screen into the entry so they can't escape, nail the cover on, secure the bottom board with hive cleats, and off you go! I hope this helps. Article 8396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <338CD5BC.2172@prostar.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:02:51 -0800 From: Dan Kiehnle Reply-To: liggy@prostar.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting costs????? References: <338b7033.3412857@snews2.zippo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.212.7 Lines: 7 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!208.8.204.10!news.prostar.com!208.8.212.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8396 I made my own extractor, so I don't get charged a thing. You can do wonders with an old electric motor, a couple of pulleys, a new, galvanized garbage can and a little strap steel and hardware cloth. I could detail the thing if anyone wants to know. Cost me about $30.00 to build, and it's been working fine for years. Beats spending nearly $500.00 for a hand-crank model. Mine holds 2 frames at a time...deeps, westerns or shallows. Article 8397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <338CD318.DED@prostar.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:51:37 -0800 From: Dan Kiehnle Reply-To: liggy@prostar.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: To see if I'm here... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.212.7 Lines: 2 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!208.8.204.10!news.prostar.com!208.8.212.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8397 Testing...testing...anybody seeing this? Article 8398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <338CD985.547B@prostar.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:19:00 -0800 From: Dan Kiehnle Reply-To: liggy@prostar.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: Memorial Day Observations References: <338A1157.3C1E@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.212.7 Lines: 3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!gmv.es!btnet-feed3!unlisys!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!208.8.204.10!news.prostar.com!208.8.212.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8398 Another beekeeper near me! Cool. All is well with the hives out here on Vashon. I have 5 and the blackberries near them are just beginning to blossom. Mmmmm, blackberry honey! Article 8399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <338CD75F.3BF0@prostar.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:09:50 -0800 From: Dan Kiehnle Reply-To: liggy@prostar.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! Getting rid of Bees without killing them References: <3387e4da.526856015@news.texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.212.7 Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!gmv.es!btnet-feed3!unlisys!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!208.8.204.10!news.prostar.com!208.8.212.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8399 So, did you want to do this yourself then? If so, check out,"The ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture" from the library. It has a section that details just what needs to be done. Basically, you nail up a hive, complete with top, bottom and deep super with a couple of frames of brood and nurse bees, right next to the hole where the bees are coming and going. Then you fashion a cone out of fine hardware cloth, and staple it over the opening. The bees are smart enough to exit the cone, but when they come back, find that it's easier to just go into the hive that's there. Takes about a month to get them all, and even then you'll be left with the queen and her faithful few followers, but at this point you could kill her off and plug the hole. Place a fresh queen into the hive, or add the bees to existing colonies using the newspaper method. Article 8400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting costs????? Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 06:13:22 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 5 Message-ID: <5mofcl$f39$2@nntp.pe.net> References: <338b7033.3412857@snews2.zippo.com> <338CD5BC.2172@prostar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: market.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8400 Thanks for those messages about the home made extractor and how to catch a swarm, Dan. Those show some real cool ingenuity. I would like to have some more detail on the extractor, if it wouldn't bee too much trouble for you to extract and post it. Thanks again. Article 8401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!newshub.csu.net!alpha.sky.net!news.vbc.net!vbcnet-west!news.mira.net.au!news.netspace.net.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!inferno.mpx.com.au!news.ci.com.au!not-for-mail From: callen@msp.masterpack.com.au (Chris Allen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Frames for WBC hive Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 07:45:11 GMT Organization: Corinthian Internet Services, Sydney, Australia. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <338fd523.5953503@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: shiva5.masterpack.com.au X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8401 How do you make frames for a WBC hive? My club (in Sydney) wants to build and and work a WBC hive for demonstrations. We have mostly langstoth hives and this will add a bit of variety. I have a set of drawings from the WWW which tell us how to build a hive. However there is no mention about the frames. We can make a good guess about their dimemsions but we would prefer to have the proper details. Can any one advise where we can find the full dimensions for them? Article 8402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 03:12:01 -0600 From: HeloSgt@aol.com Subject: trapping bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <864971074.25521@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service To: HeloSgt@aol.com X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 30 05:44:34 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 152.163.213.14 (ww-th10.proxy.aol.com) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0C-AOL (Win95; I; 16bit) X-Authenticated-Sender: HeloSgt@aol.com Lines: 6 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8402 I'm trapping a colony of bees out of a tree. Half entered the box and the other half (approx 40,000) have swarmed off somewhere. If you could help out, drop me a line at HeloSgt@aol.com -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 8403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kenm@wn.com.au (Ken Morris) Subject: Re: See Brian Ferguson's Bee Pics Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 07:38:07 GMT Organization: Hillgrove Farm Honey Reply-To: kenm@wn.com.au Message-ID: <338fd4c6.1819280@news.wn.com.au> References: <5mngft$47p$1@zinger.callamer.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 20 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!news.mira.net.au!vic.news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!bettong.wn.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8403 On Fri, 30 May 1997 14:22:13 -0700, "Andy Nachbaur" wrote: Also >would be happy to have other internet sites that would like to display a >few beekeeping pictures. My collection is small but growing and I still >have the Orange Bloom pics and others that could be used...including a >couple of how Leaf Cutter bees are housed and used to pollinate alfalfa >seed. > >ttul Andy- Hello Andy, I could squeeze a few more pics into my website (URL below) Please drop me an e-mail. Regards, Ken Morris Hillgrove Farm Honey, Batavia Coast, Western Australia Telephone (618 outside Aust) (08 in Aust) 9926 1087 http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Australia/New Zealand Dist.BiData Beekeeping Software Article 8404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!calzone.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@calzone.oit.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Venom for Sale Date: 31 May 1997 06:33:42 -0400 Organization: SunSITE UNC-CH Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5mouq6$gir@calzone.oit.unc.edu> Reply-To: jhajeks@nzamky.sk NNTP-Posting-Host: fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8404 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 05:17:32 -0700 From: jan hajek Subject: bee venom 15 grams of honey bee venom is available for sale immediately. Another 100 grams can be supplied upon contract agreement. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@sunsite.unc.edu http://www.sunsite.unc.edu/bees/home.html Article 8405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!fido.news.demon.net!demon!newsgate.unisource.nl!news.unisource.nl!news.worldonline.nl!not-for-mail From: "bouke scheffer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping in Ghana Date: 31 May 1997 17:03:51 GMT Organization: World Online Message-ID: <01bc6de3$c2182fa0$4191f1c3@bnscheff> NNTP-Posting-Host: grngn1-p65.worldonline.nl X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8405 There is a posibility for me to participate in a beekeeping project in Ghana (africa). I have 15years experiance in hobby beekeeping and i give every year instructions on people who are interrested in bekeeping and 80% starts afterwords whith a hive. I am a mentor for them for a whole year. That is all free of charge. Promoting beekeeping. About the beekeeping project in Ghana I am searching for any information about beekeeping in Africa and specialy in Ghana. Please inform me! bnscheff@worldonline.nl Article 8406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!europa.clark.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Robert A. Rioux Jr." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: --HELP -- Bee vs Yellow Jacket Question!!!! Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 19:16:41 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3390B159.7373@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.116.205.227 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8406 My grandfather has a bet with a friend that he asked me for some help on. My questions are: 1). What are the scientific (and/or Latin) names for bumble bees and yellow jackets? 2). Are they in the same family? 3). Are there any web pages that might help out? Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated. Please reply to e-mail, if possible....replies to the newsgroup would also be great!!!! Thank you in advance for your help, I really appreciate it! Rob Rioux Article 8407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! Getting rid of Bees without killing them Date: 1 Jun 1997 02:47:54 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 65 Message-ID: <01bc6e36$25406dc0$258cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <3387e4da.526856015@news.texas.net> <338CD75F.3BF0@prostar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-05.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat May 31 9:47:54 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8407 Dan Kiehnle wrote in article <338CD75F.3BF0@prostar.com>... > So, did you want to do this yourself then? If so, check out,"The ABC and > XYZ of Bee Culture" from the library. It has a section that details just > what needs to be done. Basically, you nail up a hive, complete with top, > bottom and deep super with a couple of frames of brood and nurse bees, > right next to the hole where the bees are coming and going. Then you > fashion a cone out of fine hardware cloth, and staple it over the > opening. The bees are smart enough to exit the cone, but when they come > back, find that it's easier to just go into the hive that's there. Takes > about a month to get them all, and even then you'll be left with the > queen and her faithful few followers, but at this point you could kill > her off and plug the hole. Place a fresh queen into the hive, or add the > bees to existing colonies using the newspaper method. Howdy All, Having removed bees using this method twice let me add in a couple hints and technical details. This method is useful if for some reason you cannot actually open the cavity up to extricate the bees. 1) be sure the hive is close as in less than 3 feet away from colony entrance 2) if the bees figure out how to go back in the cone - put a second and large cone over it - both screen cones having a exit hole only big enough for a single bee to get out (I used a pencil as a guage when making the cone) 3) put a frame of brood and a queen in your trap hive - this will prove more attractive (though it works without it) and will get things rolling faster - making better use of the bees 4) yep - it takes about a month (the brood in the old location has to hatch out) - yep in the mean time no resources are getting back into the old colony - yep they are getting stressed and either starving or MORE likely dehydrating - yep after the queen loses most of her work force she is in big trouble - yep she might come out but she didn't either time I did it from what I could tell (looking at the dead bees on ground to see if I could find a queen) 5) once you are not getting any more bees out of the old location - you then pull off the cone(s) and let the new colony rob out the old colony location - thus they leave behind mostly dry comb (they likely ate up most of the pollen they had during that month of no resources coming in) instead of a bunch of honey which would draw other insects and vermin and might ferment and then run all over. Once the old spot is FULLY robbed out then the spot should be filled up with at the least that expanding insulating foam. Old colony locations are HIGHLY attractive to swarms so this should be done ASAP as in RIGHT NOW after the place is robbed out. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3391CE4A.519C@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 15:32:26 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Great honey info Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------238B1FA75A75" NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.76.200 Lines: 145 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.76.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8408 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------238B1FA75A75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is the National Honey Boards home page web site. 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--------------238B1FA75A75-- Article 8409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3391CD67.5798@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 15:28:39 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey straws Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.76.200 Lines: 5 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!europa.clark.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.76.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8409 Does anyone have any information on the suppliers of equipment to make honey straws. (The plastic straw filled with honey and sealed at both ends.) I want to use the straw as samples for sales. There is one place in PA that will do 60 lbs at a time. Between the shipping back and forth and the quantity that 60lbs makes thats a lot for samples. Article 8410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Homemade Extractor - word of caution Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 20:09:20 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 2 Message-ID: <5msko1$fup$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <338b7033.3412857@snews2.zippo.com> <338CD5BC.2172@prostar.com> <01bc6ebd$919274a0$508cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lasierra.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8410 Ok, thanks, Jack, for that info. Article 8411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!news.dra.com!news.starnet.net!news.starnet.net!news.hn.netlink.co.nz!wolfman.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: yoon youchang Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I want to study beekeeping Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 10:28:04 +1200 Organization: Customer of Telecom Internet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3391F774.940@xtra.co.nz> Reply-To: yooncy@xtra.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Host: p20-m8-wn4.dialup.xtra.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8411 I am very interested in beekeeping,but I don't know how to study. Anyone who knows anything about it, Please let me know. Thanks a lot chang Article 8412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.163.58.3!news.olywa.net!not-for-mail From: "Permaculture West" Subject: Permaculture Design Course Message-ID: <01bc6ef4$450592c0$543aa3cd@permawest.olywa.net> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 02:49:15 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8412 Building the Natural Community A two-week intensive Permaculture Design Course Date: September 6-19 Location: Wild Thyme Farm Oakville, WA Description: Wild Thyme Farm, a 140 acre evolving permaculture site and resource center, is located in the Chehalis river valley just 35 minutes South of Olympia, WA. 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Information is presented through such mediums as slide shows, lecture, hands-on demonstrations, field trips, and observation walks. Participants completing the entire course will receive a Permaculture Design Course Graduate certificate. Instructors include: Larry Santoyo; a world renowned permaculture designer & educator who has worked directly with Bill Mollison. Larry is one of the foremost urban permaculture designers in the U.S. and has developed sustainable industry programs for several major U.S. corporations. Paul Stamets; owner of Fungi Perfecti, the largest mushroom research facility in the NW. Paul has been pioneering permaculture strategies for re-integrating edible & medicinal mushrooms into residential & commercial landscapes. Simon Henderson; co-founder of Bamboo People, the NW’s leading bamboo research & consultation firm. Simon has traveled the world documenting bamboo cultivation and uses. He is author of Raising the Dragon: Bamboo Agroforestry in Southeast Asia. Michael Pilarski; founder of Friends of the Trees, a NW non-profit dedicated to reforesting the world. Michael has been a permaculture designer for over 15 years and has more than two decades worth of experience in international networking and sustainable natural resource management. Joanne Lee; has founded the South Sound Exchange, a local economic and bartering system for the Olympia area. She is also involved with co-housing initiatives in Thurston County. Cost: $675 (includes tuition, camping, materials, and all meals. Accommodations: Camping is free. Limited bunkhouse accommodations: $150. Guesthouse rooms: $200. Please inquire as to availability. Course is limited to 25 participants. Contact: Permaculture West 72 Mattson Rd. Oakville, WA 98568 Ph: (360) 352-6509 Fx: (360) 273-7117 E-mail: permawest@olywa.net Article 8413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Michael A. Kerker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: --HELP -- Bee vs Yellow Jacket Question!!!! Date: 2 Jun 1997 03:02:26 GMT Organization: Pennsylvania Online [Usenet News Server for Hire] Lines: 33 Message-ID: <01baee63$c8306de0$bf5a45c6@makerker> References: <3390B159.7373@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: s191.paonline.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!news.paonline.com!usenet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8413 Bob: Hope this helps! I had to pull out the old entomology text for reference (Introduction to the Study of Insects; Borrer & Delong , 1971): Order Hymenoptera Suborder Apocrita Superfamily Vespoidea Family Vespidae Vespula maculifrons- yellow jacket Superfamily Apoidae Family Apidae Subfamily Apinae Tribe Apini Apis mellifera- honeybee Tribe Bombini Megabombus pennsylvanicus- bumblebee Robert A. Rioux Jr. wrote in article <3390B159.7373@worldnet.att.net>... > My grandfather has a bet with a friend that he asked me for some help > on. My questions are: > > 1). What are the scientific (and/or Latin) names for bumble bees and > yellow jackets? > 2). Are they in the same family? > 3). Are there any web pages that might help out? > > Article 8414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Charles R. Cummings" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What are these bees? Date: 1 Jun 1997 18:22:17 GMT Organization: CRC.Consulting Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bc6eb9$bb6513e0$2c7993cf@cummings> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.121.44 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8414 Hi. I'm a resident of Portland, OR. This year, my yard's been "annexed" by a strain of bee I've never seen before: They're the same size as a typical honey bee, but are all black save for a yellow spot on their top, near the head. They're "fuzzier" than a typical bee, and nest in the ground. They seem to have placed their hive by my kids' climbing structure. At least, there's a ton of holes in the ground with bees flying in and out :) My questions are: 1. What is this bee? 2. Is it aggressive? Should I move the play area well away from the bees? 3. Will this hive keep growing? Is it eventually going to spread across the yard? My thanks in advance for your help! Charles R. Cummings. CRC.Consulting@worldnet.att.net Article 8415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!194.168.4.227!newsfeed.cableol.net!cableol.net!newsfeed2.cableol.net!cableol.net!usenet From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees to Sections, Help. Date: 1 Jun 1997 18:44:10 GMT Organization: Luichart Woollens Lines: 37 Message-ID: <01bc6d97$d1b4af20$LocalHost@default> References: <01bc63c5$8a04aa80$LocalHost@iol.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: p55-guan-gui.tch.virgin.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8415 Hi All, If you use a Snelgrove board and his swarm control methods you should get your bees to work sections a bit easier. It sometimes helps to to put a four "Bait" sections at the corners of the box. -- Harry Scotland Knitwear Web site; http://freespace.virgin.net/luichart.woollens/ Tom Speight wrote in article ... > In article <01bc63c5$8a04aa80$LocalHost@iol.ie>, =?iso- > 8859-1?q?Se=E1n_Corcoran?= writes > >Hello there. > >A friend of mine tells me that he has difficulty getting his bees to go up > >to work on sections > >He cannot find reason why. > >Have you any ideas, suggestions, advice for him?. > > > >I am a newcomer to Beekeeping having bought my first Bees yesterday. > > > >Thanks, > >Sean. > > > Hello Sean, > Excuse me if I am repeating other replies you may have had, but my modem > has been out of action for 3 weeks and I'm just catching up. > Bees usually have to be crowded to work sections, and unless you have a > young queen or it is late in the season, (e.g. heather time - October, > in the UK.) they tend to swarm. > Regards > -- > Tom S > Article 8416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Homemade Extractor - word of caution Date: 1 Jun 1997 18:56:42 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 32 Message-ID: <01bc6ebd$919274a0$508cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <338b7033.3412857@snews2.zippo.com> <338CD5BC.2172@prostar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh2-16.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jun 01 11:56:42 AM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8416 Dan Kiehnle wrote in article <338CD5BC.2172@prostar.com>... > I made my own extractor, so I don't get charged a thing. You can do > wonders with an old electric motor, a couple of pulleys, a new, > galvanized garbage can and a little strap steel and hardware cloth. I > could detail the thing if anyone wants to know. Cost me about $30.00 to > build, and it's been working fine for years. Beats spending nearly > $500.00 for a hand-crank model. Mine holds 2 frames at a time...deeps, > westerns or shallows. > Galvanized material needs to be coated with a food-grade coating (Cam-Cote for one) so that the honey does not get contaminated by stripping off metal from the galvanization. Also if the garbage can is soldered together the possibility of lead is also there. If one wishes to make a homemade extractor it would be wise to use food grade materials to make it from. Stainless steel is optimal - food grade plastic (not just any plastic) would be another option. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.0.0.7!mhv.net!not-for-mail From: jschock@mhv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: supplemental feeding Date: 1 Jun 1997 23:32:48 GMT Organization: MHVNet Lines: 3 Message-ID: <5mt0r0$614$1@news.mhv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ulster-port59.mhv.net X-Server-Date: 1 Jun 1997 23:32:48 GMT X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8417 Does anyone have any thoughts about how long to continue supplying sugar syrup to newly established hives? I've started them almost two months ago and they still are using it up. thanks, John Article 8418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!data.ramona.vix.com!sonysjc!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dncmccloud@aol.com (DncMcCloud) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Coop Flying Queens Date: 2 Jun 1997 10:41:41 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19970602104101.GAA14334@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8418 I have two hives which have been queenless for over one month. I have introduced new eggs and uncapped brood on two occasions with no success. The brood chamber is completely filled with honey and pollen. - Should I continue introducing eggs? - Should I purchase new queens? - Should I combine the hives with a queened colony? Article 8419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kenm@wn.com.au (Ken Morris) Subject: Re: I want to study beekeeping Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 14:25:57 GMT Organization: Hillgrove Farm Honey Reply-To: kenm@wn.com.au Message-ID: <3392d635.2602730@news.wn.com.au> References: <3391F774.940@xtra.co.nz> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 25 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!bettong.wn.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8419 On Mon, 02 Jun 1997 10:28:04 +1200, yoon youchang wrote: >I am very interested in beekeeping,but I don't know how to study. >Anyone who knows anything about it, >Please let me know. > >Thanks a lot > >chang Hello Chang, You have an excellent starting point right there in New Zealand, namely Nick Wallingford's Beekeeping in New Zealand website. http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/nickw/nzbkg.htm. It is much better than any Australian sites that I have found, and Nick is a very helpful guy. If you don't find what you want to know on the website, or its numerous links, I am sure that if you e-mail him he will be willing and able to point you in the right direction. Good Luck! Regards, Ken Morris Hillgrove Farm Honey, Batavia Coast, Western Australia Telephone (618 outside Aust) (08 in Aust) 9926 1087 http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Australia/New Zealand Dist.BiData Beekeeping Software Article 8420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.radio.cz!btnet-feed3!btnet!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 10:51:36 -0600 From: fran.gravelle@worldnet.att.net Subject: Beekeeping Updates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <865208789.26004@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service To: bud.fran@juno.com X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jun 01 23:46:29 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 207.146.239.27 (27.st-louis-024.mo.dial-access.att.net) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) X-Authenticated-Sender: fran.gravelle@worldnet.att.net Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8420 Is there a information listing sent automatically to e-mail users? My father-in-law is actively involved in recreational beekeeping in Brookville, Ohio area. What I am looking for is similar to news programs that automatically are sent to e-mail subscribers -- a similar type information type program for beekeepers. Please advise if such a service is available. Thanks, Fran Gravelle -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 8421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!worldnet.att.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 13:41:13 -0600 From: k-jones@ee.utah.edu Subject: Extractors/Food grade materials Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <865276491.3812@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jun 02 18:34:52 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 134.134.248.16 () X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (X11; I; AIX 2) X-Authenticated-Sender: k-jones@ee.utah.edu Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8421 I'd like to put together my own extractor, and I'm wondering about materials to use. Obviously stainless steel and food grade pastic are best, but what about other grades of steel? Can steel be safely used in contact with honey, if it is kept clean and rust-free? On a related note, what is the pH of honey? Thanks for any info, Kelly Hillsboro, OR -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 8422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!tpark From: tpark@world.std.com (Ted Park) Subject: Bees and my hot tub Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:13:01 GMT Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8422 Greetings bee experts; I live in a suburban area in Calgary, Alberta, and just moved into a home with a hot tub. There seem to be a some bees that are attracted to the hot tub - during the day there seem to be 10 or so bees that land on the hot tub cover and appear to be drinking the condensation which occurs there. What causes this? Is there something in the hot tub chemicals that bees require? There doesn't seem to be a nest close by, so they must have to travel some distance to get to the tub. Just curious, --Ted. -- --------------------------------------------- Ted Park tpark@world.std.com also tpark@canuck.com On the web as Ted's Home Page Article 8423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Coop Flying Queens Date: 2 Jun 1997 19:32:35 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 28 Message-ID: <01bc6f8b$bf62ed00$338cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <19970602104101.GAA14334@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-19.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jun 02 12:32:35 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8423 DncMcCloud wrote in article <19970602104101.GAA14334@ladder02.news.aol.com>... > I have two hives which have been queenless for over one month. Not good. What happened? A few more details might help in determining the best answer. >I have > introduced new eggs and uncapped brood on two occasions with no success. No queen cells were drawn off the frames????? How long ago were the frames of eggs and young brood introduced? > The brood chamber is completely filled with honey and pollen. Are they just plugged out and possibly queenright now with the queen having no place to lay? > - Should I continue introducing eggs? > - Should I purchase new queens? > - Should I combine the hives with a queened colony? IF (a big IF) the colonies in question have not dwindled done too far you could try various things to test for queen right status and get them requeened if needed BUT if you are getting near your main honeyflow it may be wiser to combine them with a known to be queenright colony. Article 8424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33934767.52F8@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 18:21:27 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee hive sound midi file wanted References: <864158452@amigabee.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.77.229 Lines: 16 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.77.229 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8424 Steven Turner wrote: > > I was looking for bee sounds (midi files) can anybody help? > > email: st@amigabee.org.uk > > Regards Steve > > Steven Turner G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of Amigabee > > ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! I don't believe that you mean MIDI. Midi file are usually music files. The MIDI stands for Misical Instrument Digital Interface. As mentioned in some of the replys a WAV file would be prefered. I'll keep looking...... Article 8425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: --HELP -- Bee vs Yellow Jacket Question!!!! Date: 2 Jun 1997 20:33:28 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 16 Message-ID: <5mvamo$fde$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3390B159.7373@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8425 In article <3390B159.7373@worldnet.att.net>, Robert A. Rioux Jr. wrote: > 1). What are the scientific (and/or Latin) names for bumble bees and >yellow jackets? > 2). Are they in the same family? > 3). Are there any web pages that might help out? Sure: http://viner.ento.vt.edu/~ravlin/insect_orders Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf/home.html Article 8426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <339348B4.781F@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 18:27:00 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and my hot tub References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.77.229 Lines: 29 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.77.229 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8426 Ted Park wrote: > > Greetings bee experts; > > I live in a suburban area in Calgary, Alberta, and just moved into a > home with a hot tub. There seem to be a some bees that are attracted > to the hot tub - during the day there seem to be 10 or so bees that > land on the hot tub cover and appear to be drinking the condensation which > occurs there. What causes this? Is there something in the hot tub > chemicals that bees require? There doesn't seem to be a nest close > by, so they must have to travel some distance to get to the tub. > > Just curious, > > --Ted. > -- > --------------------------------------------- > Ted Park tpark@world.std.com > also tpark@canuck.com > On the web as Ted's Home Page Obviously the bees are in need of a good water sourse. You can try puting some water out in your yard that is easy for the bees to get at. Bees prefer moisture almost more that water itself. After a rain I find bees all over the wet carpet door mat, rather than the water I have dripping on rocks near their hives. this might sound gross, but I also find bees drinking a lot in an area in the bee yard that is frequently used as a urinal. i don't know if it is salts, or something else that they are after because they have clean water just 30 feet away. Article 8428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: civert@compuserve.com Subject: I want to buy caucasiennes queens Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 17:43:57 GMT Reply-To: civert@compuserve.com Message-ID: <339303d4.19812223@news.compuserve.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!feeder.chicago.cic.net!compuserve.com!nih2naab.prod2.compuserve.com!ntdwwaaw.compuserve.com Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8428 Apiculteur in France I want to buy caucasiennes queens of a producer in russie or georgie ....which price ?, and delai ? """"""""""""""""""""""""""""" Claude IVERT Page Apicole http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/civert Article 8429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!europa.clark.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Looks For Books... Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 21:25:23 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 31 Message-ID: <33937282.D2C19E4A@valley.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-114.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) To: Stasia Vishnevsky-Wussow X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8429 Stasia Vishnevsky-Wussow wrote: > Hi! We have three acres of land and would like to keep bees for the > purpose of enjoying them as well as for making a little honey. Can > someone > please recommend a couple of good starter books? We live in > Wisconsin...if > that matters for the type of bees, or hive, or whatever. Thanks very > much > for your help. as a fellow newbie [also on 3 acres, but in new hampshire], i'll recommend 'Beekeeping A Practical Guide' by Richard Bonney, Garden Way Publishing, 1993. ISBN0-88266-861-7 it's geared strickly for the beginning beekeeper and is very easy reading [you can do it in a day], as well as very informative. also, it's only 17 bucks in paperback, which doesn't hurt. btw, i'm keeping buckfast hybrids, supposedly good producers, mellow, and hardy [most important up here]. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player xgreenros@medicalmedia.com [work] [drop the 'x'] xbill.greenrose@valley.net [home] [drop the 'x'] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: newbie question and advice Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 22:23:06 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 100 Message-ID: <33938009.B91B6B1D@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-114.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8430 greetings, background: i've just started my first hive and am already hooked big time. after my first two years up here in new hampshire [transplanted from new jersey], and two disappointing blackberry/black raspberry harvests from the zillion bushes on my property, i finally realized the source of the problem: no bees [correction, no honey bees]. i remembered reading about the mite problem a few years ago, but it really hit home, once i had some property and experienced the impact first hand [and realized it wasn't limited to just my little plot of land]. having wanted to try my hand at beekeeping for years [even as a kid, i remember reading the copy in the back of the burpee catalog on bees and equipment and dreaming.], i decided to try and make a difference, albeit a small one. watching the bees do their thing [a fascinating pastime in itself], i know i've done the right thing. advice for other newbies: find a beekeeper! talk with him/her; if you can, work with him/her! i started late this year [work getting in the way of life.], and i was fortunate to find beekeepers only 2 hours away [bev and ted stanier of mountain harvest in madison, nh], who were willing to sell me a nuc. i went over this past sunday to pick it up. well, we had to make it, first. i'm telling you, i learned more in those couple of hours that i spent with bev and ted than i could have learned in a year of reading. not that reading isn't important. but, working side by side with an expert is the BEST way to do it, if you can. ted patiently explained everything to me, pointed out all the characteristics of bee development from egg to adult, had me handle the frames as we scoured the hive for the best ones, explained the queen's egg laying pattern, in short, he really showed me the ropes. and by actually working in the hive like that, i was able to experience first had how non-aggressive domestic honey bees really are. [and sunday was rainy and dreary, not good weather for disturbing a colony.] if you move carefully and purposefully, and don't hassle them any more than necessary, then they pretty much leave you alone. now, while i'm exhilarated at the thought of working my own hive, i'm not afraid of my bees [but i do respect them]. if you read this ted, thank you very, very much. thanks to ya'll: i'd like to thank everyone who posts to this newsgroup. i learned an awful lot from just reading the answers posted here by the experts, both pros and hobbyists. and thanks to everyone who's put so much information on the web. i was amazed at the number of hits i got, when i did my first search for 'beekeeping.' it's really what the net's all about. my question: ok. i have a 5 frame nuc in a cardboard carrier. ted put screened vents top and front for airflow, and it's sitting out in my yard under a lean-to, to protect it from the elements. judging by the amazing number of bees working the dandelion field that used to be my lawn, the colony seems to be doing very well. i just received my hive in the mail today. it's a D.E. hive from BeeWorks. if you're not familiar with it, it's a little different design than your standard hive with slightly different dimensions [i know the books say to stick with the basics the first time out, but i couldn't resist this hive, as i really liked the concepts behind it's design.] anyway, i'll be ready to transfer the colony to the new hive later this week. the hive comes with a transfer plate for a langstroth hive, but i only have a cardboard carrier. [i know i should have waited for the hive to be ready, but it was a timing thing.] i was thinking that i would place the carrier in the super [just the carrier, no additional frames] and then place the deep box over it. then, after the queen moves up into the deep box, i can put the queen excluder between it and the super, effectively blocking her from returning to the nuc. then, after a few weeks, once all the brood in the super/nuc have matured, i can remove the super and, voile, a normal hive. i figure i can then place the nuc frames outside the hive, so the bees can clean out any residual honey and pollen. my question(s) is(are): does this sound like a good idea? does anybody have any better ideas, or advice in general? for the record, i'm not planning to take any honey from the hive this year, as i know it's off to a late start [although the season is starting really late up here. trees are not even fully in leaf, yet, and the blackberry bushes are not in bloom, either. had frost early last week, and it going to get down to around 40 tonight.] i'll be feeding them as much as they'll take all season. on the plus side, this is a really strong nuc [not that i'm any kind of expert, but as ted showed me, it has plenty of brood, and he gave me a LOT of bees. these are buckfast hybrids.] sorry for the wordy post, but thought i'd say everything once. thanks in advance for any and all help. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player xgreenros@medicalmedia.com [work] [remove the 'x'] xbill.greenrose@valley.net [home] [remove the 'x'] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.demon.co.uk!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Coop Flying Queens Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:47:03 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <19970602104101.GAA14334@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk [194.222.48.209] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.00 Lines: 21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8431 In article <19970602104101.GAA14334@ladder02.news.aol.com>, DncMcCloud writes >I have two hives which have been queenless for over one month. I have >introduced new eggs and uncapped brood on two occasions with no success. I guess this means no queen cells were raised and suggests you may not be queenless. Here in Southern Britain we get dry weather (yup!) and no nectar flow which stops the queens laying. The absence of eggs and brood tricks you into thinking the colony is queenless and giving young brood will have no effect. Unless you have evidence to the contrary I suggest you feed the colonies well with syrup and see if it brings the queens into lay, as so far you have not proved the queens have 'flown the coop'. Stored honey is not the same as a nectar flow and its presence will not keep the colony building in the absence of some income, a bit like you and I, relucant to draw money out of the bank when there's no salary coming to replace it. -- Dave Black , Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. Article 8432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.demon.co.uk!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping in Ghana Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:13:43 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Distribution: world Message-ID: <3Aj$PJAX5+kzEwTP@tfbplc.co.uk> References: <01bc6de3$c2182fa0$4191f1c3@bnscheff> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk [194.222.48.209] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.00 Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8432 In article <01bc6de3$c2182fa0$4191f1c3@bnscheff>, bouke scheffer writes >There is a posibility for me to participate in a beekeeping project in >Ghana I am searching for any information >about beekeeping in Africa and specialy in Ghana. >Please inform me! Please contact Bees for Development by email <100410.2631@compuserve.com> or from my (and their) web page (beekeeping information section). They are experts in the field. -- Dave Black , Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. Article 8433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Earl Woods Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Raising Queen Bees Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 20:39:40 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 4 Message-ID: <339367CB.3DE1@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sav-ga2-11.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jun 02 7:53:24 PM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8433 I am looking for a book entitled, Raising Queen Bees. I understand it is no longer in print. Does anyone know where I might find a copy of this book? Article 8434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.clark.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractors/Food grade materials Date: 3 Jun 1997 03:02:00 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 32 Message-ID: <01bc6fca$88260040$4c6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <865276491.3812@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-12.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jun 02 8:02:00 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8434 k-jones@ee.utah.edu wrote in article <865276491.3812@dejanews.com>... > I'd like to put together my own extractor, and I'm wondering about > materials to use. Obviously stainless steel and food grade pastic are > best, but what about other grades of steel? Can steel be safely used in > contact with honey, if it is kept clean and rust-free? Galvanized steel was widely used making extractors. Many of these extractors are still in use today. They simply need to be coated with a food grade "epoxy" - one being called "CamCote" - likely there are others. I would presume steel would need to be coated as well even if for no other reason than to prevent rust (since you gotta clean the extractor ya know). > On a related note, what is the pH of honey? ". . . honey generally has a pH ranging from about 3.2 to 4.5, averaging about 3.9, which is in the range of weak vinegar." pg. 878, "The Hive and the Honey Bee" 1992 revised edition (this particular chapter entitled "Honey" was written by Jonathan W. White, Jr., Ph.D. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!newsfeeds.sol.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie question and advice Date: 3 Jun 1997 04:10:10 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 50 Message-ID: <01bc6fd4$0d806740$4c6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <33938009.B91B6B1D@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-12.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jun 02 9:10:10 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8435 bill greenrose wrote in article <33938009.B91B6B1D@valley.net>... > my question: > > ok. i have a 5 frame nuc in a cardboard carrier. ted put screened > vents top and front for airflow, and it's sitting out in my yard under a > lean-to, to protect it from the elements. judging by the amazing number > of bees working the dandelion field that used to be my lawn, the colony > seems to be doing very well. i just received my hive in the mail > today. it's a D.E. hive from BeeWorks. if you're not familiar with it, > it's a little different design than your standard hive with slightly > different dimensions [i know the books say to stick with the basics the > first time out, but i couldn't resist this hive, as i really liked the > concepts behind it's design.] anyway, i'll be ready to transfer the > colony to the new hive later this week. the hive comes with a transfer > plate for a langstroth hive, but i only have a cardboard carrier. [i > know i should have waited for the hive to be ready, but it was a timing > thing.] i was thinking that i would place the carrier in the super > [just the carrier, no additional frames] and then place the deep box > over it. then, after the queen moves up into the deep box, i can put > the queen excluder between it and the super, effectively blocking her > from returning to the nuc. then, after a few weeks, once all the brood > in the super/nuc have matured, i can remove the super and, voile, a > normal hive. i figure i can then place the nuc frames outside the hive, > so the bees can clean out any residual honey and pollen. > > my question(s) is(are): does this sound like a good idea? does > anybody have any better ideas, or advice in general? Sounds workable Bill so long as you also preclude the queen from being able to move down into the available open space around the cardboard nuc box. Bees will tend to make their own free hanging comb lotsa times when given the choice - so don't give 'em the choice. And who knows you might get some honey for yourself too. A nuc is equivalent to a package started a month earlier. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell "shipment simulation" experiment Date: 3 Jun 1997 13:03:32 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 36 Message-ID: <5n14n4$arc$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <338A67A4.284C@starpoint.net> <01bc6a9b$1fe35ac0$308cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <01bc6ba0$70a78f20$7c6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <01bc6cfd$839d96c0$218cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8436 In article <01bc6cfd$839d96c0$218cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com>, Jack Griffes wrote: > >From this initial phase of the experiment it appears that >sending either 10 or 11 day cells (counted from graft date) >"Overnight Mail" for installation within 24 hours from the >time we pull them out of incubator (hive or electric) - thus >here that means about 2:30pm since our Post Office truck >comes at roughly 4pm and missing the pick-up would leave >the cells setting there for another 24 hours. (ed) >Thus the timing would have to be such that the beekeeper >had the ability on arrival date to plant the cells immediately >on arrival (or at least put them in a incubator on his/her end >to hold them for planting later that day). Good work! Nice information to have. >Next phase (when we have another 50-60 extra cells) will >consist of actually shipping without any temperature >regulation both 10 & 11 day cells. They will be shipped >from a nearby Post Office that is not our own (to insure >they actually get put through the system). Thanks for the effort-- Once you ger the results from this, someone else, maybe, would replicate the experiment and see how the results came out. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf/home.html Article 8437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!157.161.139.30!imp.ch!tisdial1.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and my hot tub Date: 3 Jun 97 16:51:19 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bc703e$419e2de0$2980a19d@default> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8437 Ted Park schrieb im Beitrag ... > What causes this? Is there something in the hot tub > chemicals that bees require? There doesn't seem to be a nest close > by, so they must have to travel some distance to get to the tub. > There is one group of chemicals that bees are known to actively search for and find at up to a mile ore farther: sugar in any form, especially in the form of honey! Now you please tell this NG how it was exactly when you've last sprinkled sweet substances into your hot tub or onto any bather and to what avail. francis PS: Bees also require a constant supply of plain water which they carry to the nest for diluting honey and for air-conditioning. Article 8438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!europa.clark.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!157.161.139.30!imp.ch!tisdial2.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractors/Food grade materials Date: 3 Jun 97 17:24:51 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bc7042$f124bb40$2a80a19d@default> References: <865276491.3812@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8438 k-jones@ee.utah.edu schrieb im Beitrag <865276491.3812@dejanews.com>... > On a related note, what is the pH of honey? Just have this to add: The acidity of honey, on average is between 0.1 to 0.4 % (calculated as the amount of malic acid). Honey has pH 3.3 to 4.6 (nectar from flowers) and up to pH 5.5 (nectar from honey-dew). Article 8439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!157.161.139.30!imp.ch!tisdial1.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractors/Food grade materials Date: 3 Jun 97 17:10:54 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01bc7040$fe146aa0$2980a19d@default> References: <865276491.3812@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8439 k-jones@ee.utah.edu schrieb im Beitrag <865276491.3812@dejanews.com>... > Can steel be safely used in contact with honey, if it is kept clean and rust-free? > > On a related note, what is the pH of honey? The acidity of honey is determined by titration: it is typically 0.1 to 0.4 %. Acidity higher than 0.4 % may be indicative of unwanted fermentation! Materials which are safe for keeping honey are, e.g., glass, stoneware, aluminum, food-grade plastic, and stainless steel. Galvanized steel or steel are corroded by honey and impart an elevated content of these metals which may be detected chemically. In Germany, galvanized steel is not legal for use in honey-containers. francis Article 8440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Sky is Falling? Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 22:09:00 GMT Message-ID: <9706031705251902@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 73 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8440 The Sky is Falling, all the honeybees are DDD, dead, diseased, or dying, so says the press releases with quotes from the best academic minds, all doctorates in entomology or beekeeping and all feeding on the problems of the beekeepers at the public trough. For sure we beekeepers are not strangers to problems and like all in agriculture our numbers have declined since the 1940's, 50's, 60's or what ever base year you want to examine. But we are not gone yet and in fact all this hype is nothing more then that. Crops are not suffering from the lack of honeybees to pollinate them, though some would lie, steal and cheat to create that opinion in the public mind to further their own interests...and sadly many beekeepers are followers and do much among themselves to perpetuate the untruths and half truths of the condition of the honeybee industry. Our industry has always been plagued by cyclic problems in the health of our bees and these are well documented for any to review so I won't bother listing them as is the beekeeper movement west and north to better pastures. Half truths and untruths are hard to take to the bank, and today beekeepers and farmers who depend on their bees to produce bountiful crops are making more trips to the bank, and not always to take away money.. The almond industry in California last year had a BILLION $$$ crop, and this years crop is estimated to bee 39% larger, and many of us in the field believe that it is much grater then the estimates, but 710,000,000 pounds of almonds is a pile of almonds and of course this means they will be less costly to the consumer and more of us will be able to enjoy them in more ways for breakfast, lunch and dinner. The total acreage of almonds in California continues to grow along with some other insect pollinated crops. According to the latest results just released of the 1996 Acreage Survey there were 466,777 acres of almonds growing and in 1997 420,000 of these acres were bearing. No problems have been reported to this reporter of ANY shortage of bees to pollinate these acres, and considering the size of the crop beekeepers should be congratulated for doing a excellent job of distributing their bees to the almond growers for pollination. Growers continue to believe in the future of the beekeeping industries ability to deliver honeybees for pollination and new planting continue at levels that tax the ability of the nurserymen to produce new trees..NO almond growers are rushing out to buy their own bees as bees and beekeepers are in good supply and are providing good bees for pollination at a reasonable cost. Prune's continue to increase in acreage having 100% been replaced by industry and homes in the Santa Clara valley they now are found in the northern interior central valley and the acreage has expanded to 102,726 in 1996 with 22,504 acres of young non bearing orchards, much grater then the old days when San Jose was the prune capital.. In 1996 California also had 34,000 acres of bearing apples, 12,900 bearing cherries, 19,100 bearing Bartlett pears, 25,000 acres of strawberries, and all of these insect and honeybee pollinated crops are reported as NOT suffering from any lack of pollination, mostly honeybee pollination. The facts are keeping bees is a lot of work, problems can be found by any who wants to concentrate their efforts on looking, but the beekeepers don't have time for that and its so pathetic these annual re-runs of the beekeeping industries obituary each year from the academic and regulatory community it's laughable, and they wonder why the industry gives them, the academics and others, less then token support...., no one likes to read half truths and lies about themselves, and these professionals are the experts.. ttul, the OLd Drone 6397 (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Barbs has it, like a bee. Article 8441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie question and advice Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 20:32:52 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 76 Message-ID: <3394B7B4.D64F9D5C@valley.net> References: <33938009.B91B6B1D@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v3-p-143.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A82E477EFE5B7D192917C617" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8441 --------------A82E477EFE5B7D192917C617 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > well, i got my answer. i called david e. [the d.e. of d.e. hive] at > bee works and he advised against my plan, as i would end up with burr > comb all over the open box that contained the nuc carrier. he > suggested that i build a frame to supprt the hive and snug the carrier > up underneath it, aligning a hole in the top of the carrier with the > hole in the transfer plate that comes with the d.e. hive. with a snug > fit, the bees will only move up into the new hive. of course, they'll > still have their regular opening in the carrier, which i'll keep in > place under the hive, until all the brood in it has hatched. if anyone is interested, i'll post the results of this 'exercise.' > bill > > ######################################## > > don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player > > greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 -- ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 --------------A82E477EFE5B7D192917C617 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
well, i got my answer.  i called david e. [the d.e. of d.e. hive] at bee works and he advised against my plan, as i would end up with burr comb all over the open box that contained the nuc carrier.  he suggested that i build a frame to supprt the hive and snug the carrier up underneath it, aligning a hole in the top of the carrier with the hole in the transfer plate that comes with the d.e. hive.  with a snug fit, the bees will only move up into the new hive.  of course, they'll still have their regular opening in the carrier, which i'll keep in place under the hive, until all the brood in it has hatched.
if anyone is interested, i'll post the results of this 'exercise.'
bill

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http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 --------------A82E477EFE5B7D192917C617-- Article 8442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.midusa.net!postmaster From: whummer@ciai.net (William S. Hummer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Information dealing with donations. Date: 4 Jun 1997 02:42:32 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 8 Message-ID: <5n2kmo$ec61@news.midusa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.155.72.69 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8442 Hello to all the beekeepers trapped at their computers. I was wondering if any one had any information on donations. I am president of a local beekeepers club, Ark-La-Tex Beekeepers Club, located in Shreveport, La. We had such a abundant honey crop this year that our club is looking into the possibility of contributing an amount of the honey sales to some research group. You can either e-mail me with the information or just post it straight to this group for others to read. Article 8443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for beewax, pure beewax, to manufacture some Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:51:00 GMT Message-ID: <9706031705251901@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3372469C.11F5@homer.louisville.edu> Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8443 ---------------------------------------- From: barro%mail.intermex.com.mx@dns1.intermex.com.mx (Familia Barragan Robles) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:36:02 -0500 Subject: beewax I am looking for beewax, pure beewax, to manufacture some products. If you know where is, please tell me. Tanks. Dr. Guillermo Barrag=E0n. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/beecam/beecam.html Article 8444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Rick_Dan" Subject: Queen bee Breeding Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bc70d2$2cf49200$223f868b@pgyfobac> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.63.34 Date: 4 Jun 97 11:37:09 GMT Lines: 11 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.telstra.net!139.134.5.33! Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8444 My family is involved in Honey production in Australia (Tasmania) and we are hoping to find a way to control the breeding of queens. Does anyone know if it is possible to perform artificial insemination of queen bees or control the mating process at all. We are hoping to modify the queens through selective breeding to generate better quality queens and thus improve the honey production of hives. Any info or reference to any published matter on this topic would be appreciated. Thanks .. You can email me at : Rick_Dan@bigpond.com Article 8450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!tpark From: tpark@world.std.com (Ted Park) Subject: Re: Bees and my hot tub Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <01bc703e$419e2de0$2980a19d@default> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 21:40:25 GMT Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8450 Thanks for the information about bees and why they may be interested in the hot tub. We had tried putting some sweet stuff out for them, and it appears as though they were uninterested in sugar. The hot tub cover had been sprayed off with water in an attempt to get rid of whatever the bees were interested in. I'll try and put some trays of diluted salts out for them as well. --Ted. -- --------------------------------------------- Ted Park tpark@world.std.com also tpark@canuck.com On the web as Ted's Home Page Article 8451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie question and advice Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 22:07:02 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 200 Message-ID: <33961F46.535C552F@valley.net> References: <33938009.B91B6B1D@valley.net> <01bc6fd4$0d806740$4c6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-138.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F86AE1081DF134B2DDDF12EB" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8451 --------------F86AE1081DF134B2DDDF12EB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack Griffes wrote: > bill greenrose wrote in article > <33938009.B91B6B1D@valley.net>... > > my question: > > > > ok. i have a 5 frame nuc in a cardboard carrier. ted put screened > > vents top and front for airflow, and it's sitting out in my yard > under a > > lean-to, to protect it from the elements. judging by the amazing > number > > of bees working the dandelion field that used to be my lawn, the > colony > > seems to be doing very well. i just received my hive in the mail > > today. it's a D.E. hive from BeeWorks. if you're not familiar with > it, > > it's a little different design than your standard hive with slightly > > > different dimensions [i know the books say to stick with the basics > the > > first time out, but i couldn't resist this hive, as i really liked > the > > concepts behind it's design.] anyway, i'll be ready to transfer the > > > colony to the new hive later this week. the hive comes with a > transfer > > plate for a langstroth hive, but i only have a cardboard carrier. [i > > > know i should have waited for the hive to be ready, but it was a > timing > > thing.] i was thinking that i would place the carrier in the super > > [just the carrier, no additional frames] and then place the deep box > > > over it. then, after the queen moves up into the deep box, i can > put > > the queen excluder between it and the super, effectively blocking > her > > from returning to the nuc. then, after a few weeks, once all the > brood > > in the super/nuc have matured, i can remove the super and, voile, a > > normal hive. i figure i can then place the nuc frames outside the > hive, > > so the bees can clean out any residual honey and pollen. > > > > my question(s) is(are): does this sound like a good idea? does > > anybody have any better ideas, or advice in general? > > Sounds workable Bill so long as you also preclude the queen from being > able > to move down into the available open space around the cardboard nuc > box. > Bees will tend to make their own free hanging comb lotsa times when > given > the choice - so don't give 'em the choice. > > And who knows you might get some honey for yourself too. A nuc is > equivalent to a package started a month earlier. > > -- > Jack Griffes > Country Jack's Honeybee Farm > Honeybee Improvement Program > Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes > Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 > USA > Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ > Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested > the > following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. > e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com thanks for the advice, jack. that's what david eyre [as in d.e. hive] told me, too. i'm modifying my plan accordingly. it's also encouraging to read your comment about the potential for some honey. if it happens, it'll be a 'sweet' bonus. i'm just so happy to see honey bees flying around, again, that it's all the payback i need. does anybody else find themselves just standing there, watching their bees coming and going from the hive? to quote a pointy eared hero from my younger days, 'Fascinating.' btw, great website. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 --------------F86AE1081DF134B2DDDF12EB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack Griffes wrote:

bill greenrose <bill.greenrose@valley.net> wrote in article
<33938009.B91B6B1D@valley.net>...
> my question:
>
> ok.  i have a 5 frame nuc in a cardboard carrier.  ted put screened
> vents top and front for airflow, and it's sitting out in my yard under a
> lean-to, to protect it from the elements.  judging by the amazing number
> of bees working the dandelion field that used to be my lawn, the colony
> seems to be doing very well.  i just received my hive in the mail
> today.  it's a D.E. hive from BeeWorks.  if you're not familiar with it,
> it's a little different design than your standard hive with slightly
> different dimensions [i know the books say to stick with the basics the
> first time out, but i couldn't resist this hive, as i really liked the
> concepts behind it's design.]  anyway, i'll be ready to transfer the
> colony to the new hive later this week.  the hive comes with a transfer
> plate for a langstroth hive, but i only have a cardboard carrier. [i
> know i should have waited for the hive to be ready, but it was a timing
> thing.]  i was thinking that i would place the carrier in the super
> [just the carrier, no additional frames] and then place the deep box
> over it.  then, after the queen moves up into the deep box, i can put
> the queen excluder between it and the super, effectively blocking her
> from returning to the nuc.  then, after a few weeks, once all the brood
> in the super/nuc have matured, i can remove the super and, voile, a
> normal hive.  i figure i can then place the nuc frames outside the hive,
> so the bees can clean out any residual honey and pollen.
>
> my question(s)  is(are):  does this sound like a good idea?  does
> anybody have any better ideas, or advice in general?

Sounds workable Bill so long as you also preclude the queen from being able
to move down into the available open space around the cardboard nuc box.
Bees will tend to make their own free hanging comb lotsa times when given
the  choice - so don't give 'em the choice.

And who knows you might get some honey for yourself too.  A nuc is
equivalent to a package started a month earlier.

--
Jack  Griffes
Country Jack's Honeybee Farm
Honeybee Improvement Program
Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes
Ottawa Lake, MI 49267
USA
Web site  http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/
Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the
following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address.
e-mail:   Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com

 thanks for the advice, jack.  that's what david eyre [as in d.e. hive] told me, too.  i'm modifying my plan accordingly.  it's also encouraging to read your comment about the potential for some honey.  if it happens, it'll be a 'sweet' bonus.  i'm just so happy to see honey bees flying around, again, that it's all the payback i need.  does anybody else find themselves just standing there, watching their bees coming and going from the hive?  to quote a pointy eared hero from my younger days, 'Fascinating.'

btw, great website.

bill
 
########################################

don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player

greenros@medicalmedia.com [work]
bill.greenrose@valley.net [home]
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 --------------F86AE1081DF134B2DDDF12EB-- Article 8452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie question and advice Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 22:16:20 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 92 Message-ID: <33962174.463EBD5@valley.net> References: <33938009.B91B6B1D@valley.net> <19970604153600.LAA29558@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-138.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C6F55904A9CBB1A50445E387" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8452 --------------C6F55904A9CBB1A50445E387 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit QueenB Jan wrote: > There are a couple of web sites that might be helpful to the newbie. > They > are: > > Practical Pollination Home Page: > http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > ...Of Bees, Beekeepers and Food > http://users.aol.com/queenbjan/primbees.htm > > Janice Green > > The best thing about the internet is that you don't have to be either > filthy rich or politically correct to express your opinion. > Intelligence > speaks for itself. thank you for the web references. i actually checked them out, when i did my initial research. in fact, the pic of the properly pollinated vs. underpollinated raspberry confirmed my hypothesis that my disappointing raspberry crops were due to poor pollination. most of mine looked EXACTLY like the underpollinated example. the season's are running very late up here this year, and my bushes are at least a week away from blooming. i can't wait to see what the berries look like this summer. better yet, i can't wait to taste them! thanks for the info! bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 --------------C6F55904A9CBB1A50445E387 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit QueenB Jan wrote:

There are a couple of web sites that might be helpful to the newbie.  They
are:

Practical Pollination Home Page:
http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html

...Of Bees, Beekeepers and Food
http://users.aol.com/queenbjan/primbees.htm

Janice Green

The best thing about the internet is that you don't have to be either
filthy rich or politically correct to express your opinion.  Intelligence
speaks for itself.

thank you for the web references.  i actually checked them out, when i did my initial research.  in fact, the pic of the properly pollinated vs. underpollinated raspberry confirmed my hypothesis that my disappointing raspberry crops were due to poor pollination.  most of mine looked EXACTLY like the underpollinated example.

the season's are running very late up here this year, and my bushes are at least a week away from blooming.  i can't wait to see what the berries look like this summer.  better yet, i can't wait to taste them!

thanks for the info!

bill

########################################

don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player

greenros@medicalmedia.com [work]
bill.greenrose@valley.net [home]
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 --------------C6F55904A9CBB1A50445E387-- Article 8453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and my hot tub Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 21:55:58 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 138 Message-ID: <33961CAE.A6967737@valley.net> References: <339348B4.781F@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-138.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------20B647D6C93985DF39E65151" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8453 --------------20B647D6C93985DF39E65151 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Al Welk wrote: > Ted Park wrote: > > > > Greetings bee experts; > > > > I live in a suburban area in Calgary, Alberta, and just moved into a > > > home with a hot tub. There seem to be a some bees that are > attracted > > to the hot tub - during the day there seem to be 10 or so bees that > > > land on the hot tub cover and appear to be drinking the condensation > which > > occurs there. What causes this? Is there something in the hot tub > > chemicals that bees require? There doesn't seem to be a nest close > > > by, so they must have to travel some distance to get to the tub. > > > > Just curious, > > > > --Ted. > > -- > > --------------------------------------------- > > Ted Park tpark@world.std.com > > also tpark@canuck.com > > On the web as Ted's Home Page > > Obviously the bees are in need of a good water sourse. You can try > puting some water out in your yard that is easy for the bees to get > at. > Bees prefer moisture almost more that water itself. After a rain I > find > bees all over the wet carpet door mat, rather than the water I have > dripping on rocks near their hives. > this might sound gross, but I also find bees drinking a lot in an area > > in the bee yard that is frequently used as a urinal. i don't know if > it > is salts, or something else that they are after because they have > clean > water just 30 feet away. several years ago i saw a special on tv that showed butterflies 'drinking' water from along the edges of evaporating pools, where the salt content was much higher. can't remember what salt or other compound they were attracted to, but if butterflies seek it out, then i can see where other insects, like bees, might do something similar. salt is a lot rarer to come by for the rest of the animal kingdom than it is for most modern human animals [remember your ancient history class where they talked about salt as a currency?]. since urine contains a lot of salts, that might substitute in a pinch. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 --------------20B647D6C93985DF39E65151 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Al Welk wrote:

Ted Park wrote:
>
> Greetings bee experts;
>
> I live in a suburban area in Calgary, Alberta, and just moved into a
> home with a hot tub.   There seem to be a some bees that are attracted
> to the hot tub  - during the day there seem to be 10 or so bees that
> land on the hot tub cover and appear to be drinking the condensation which
> occurs there.  What causes this? Is there something in the hot tub
> chemicals that bees require?   There doesn't seem to be a nest close
> by, so they must have to travel some distance to get to the tub.
>
> Just curious,
>
> --Ted.
> --
> ---------------------------------------------
> Ted Park                     tpark@world.std.com
> also <A HREF="mailto:tpark@canuck.com"> tpark@canuck.com </A>
> On the web as <A HREF="http://www.beer.org/~tpark/"> Ted's Home Page </A>
Obviously the bees are in need of a good water sourse.  You can try
puting some water out in your yard that is easy for the bees to get at.
Bees prefer moisture almost more that water itself.  After a rain I find
bees all over the wet carpet door mat, rather than the water I have
dripping on rocks near their hives.
this might sound gross, but I also find bees drinking a lot in an area
in the bee yard that is frequently used as a urinal.  i don't know if it
is salts, or something else that they are after because they have clean
water just 30 feet away.
several years ago i saw a special on tv that showed butterflies 'drinking' water from along the edges of evaporating pools, where the salt content was much higher.  can't remember what salt or other compound they were attracted to, but if butterflies seek it out, then i can see where other insects, like bees, might do something similar.  salt is a lot rarer to come by for the rest of the animal kingdom than it is for most modern human animals [remember your ancient history class where they talked about salt as a currency?].  since urine contains a lot of salts, that might substitute in a pinch.

bill

########################################

don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player

greenros@medicalmedia.com [work]
bill.greenrose@valley.net [home]
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 --------------20B647D6C93985DF39E65151-- Article 8454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Good news about failing hive Date: 5 Jun 1997 00:15:41 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bc7145$a90fd340$666ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <33957FBA.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-38.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jun 04 5:15:41 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8454 Glad to hear this Randy - some bees just don't care for syrup so I wouldn't worry on that point. Look at actual performance and don't sweat the other stuff. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 8455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.megsinet.net!not-for-mail From: rohara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive bodies glued together Date: 5 Jun 1997 02:05:20 GMT Organization: MegsInet, Inc. - Midwestern Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5n56t0$rij$1@news.megsinet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm2-2-23.stratos.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8455 Hello all and thanks for reading this, I recently purchased a two story hive that had been abandoned for a couple of years. The colony had just swarmed and it was a big one , four maybe five pounds of bees. They were hived by an experienced beekeeper and he in turn sold the two story hive to me. I put a medium super with drawn comb on top of the hive on the advice that they might swarm again. One problem is that I cannot get the lower hive bodies apart to do an inspection. Should I even bother disturbing them until they make a new queen? How long does this usually take? The two hives were very heavy. When I pry the upper story the lower frames come with it. Any tips or hints? Thanks again Rob O'Hara Article 8456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive bodies glued together Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:10:53 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <5n56t0$rij$1@news.megsinet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8456 In article <5n56t0$rij$1@news.megsinet.net>, rohara writes >Hello all and thanks for reading this, > I recently purchased a two story hive that had been abandoned for a >couple of years.One problem is that I cannot get the lower hive bodies apart to do an >inspection. Should I even bother disturbing them until they make a new >queen? How long does this usually take? I'd leave them alone until the start of next season, when they will almost certainly only be in one of the boxes - probably the top one - then you will have a much easier job, many fewer bees flying round annoyed, and the Q probably well out of harm's way. I would anyway strongly recommend not disturbing a swarm for at least three weeks, except perhaps to feed if necessary - perhaps not needed in this case. Good luck -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys Article 8457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!newsin.iconnet.net!news.inc.net!ringer.cs.utsa.edu!lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu!dlipscom From: "--={(-).(-)}=--" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee impact Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:40:27 -0500 Organization: The University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 2 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8457 Of all the the pollinators, what percent of pollination is done by bees? Article 8458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!feeder.chicago.cic.net!chi-news.cic.net!robin.theramp.net!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive bodies glued together Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 23:11:17 +0000 Organization: Birkey.Com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3395F615.4292@birkey.com> References: <5n56t0$rij$1@news.megsinet.net> Reply-To: barry@birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: nap-ip-38.theramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8458 rohara wrote: > When I pry the upper story the lower frames come with it. Any tips or > hints? > Thanks again Rob O'Hara Rob - Instead of trying to lift the 2nd hive body straight up off the bottom, crack to two apart and then rotate the top one off as this will break the burr comb between the two chambers without pulling your frames up. Or you can lift one end of the second chamber just enough to get your hive tool in and pry the frames back down. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com Article 8459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!europa.clark.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!uninett.no!nntp.uib.no!pc17.im.uib.no!nimkp From: nimkp@imp.imp.uib.no (Knut Pedersen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen bee Breeding Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 06:12:04 GMT Organization: IM Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <01bc70d2$2cf49200$223f868b@pgyfobac> <01bc712d$21087280$238cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dronning.im.uib.no X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8459 In article <01bc712d$21087280$238cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> "Jack Griffes" writes: >From: "Jack Griffes" >Subject: Re: Queen bee Breeding >Date: 4 Jun 1997 21:20:09 GMT >Rick_Dan wrote in article ><01bc70d2$2cf49200$223f868b@pgyfobac>... >> My family is involved in Honey production in Australia >(Tasmania) and we >> are hoping to find a way to control the breeding of queens. >> >> Does anyone know if it is possible to perform artificial >insemination of >> queen bees or control the mating process at all. We are hoping >to modify >> the queens through selective breeding to generate better >quality queens and >> thus improve the honey production of hives. >> >> Any info or reference to any published matter on this topic >would be >> appreciated. Get a catalogue from Werner Seip Hauptstrasse 32 - 36, D 6308 Butzbach/ Ebersgöns Germany They have exelent equipment. See also Prof. Dr. Friedrich Ruttner: Die Instrumentelle Besamung der Bienenkönigin Apimondia Dr. P. Schley: Praktische Anleitung zur instrumentellen Besamung von Bienenköniginnen ISBN 3- 9800763-0-X Dr. P. Schley: Einführung in die Technik der instrumentellen Besamung von Bienenköniginnen You may have the last two books from Seip Knut Pedersen Bergen Norway Article 8460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!EU.net!main.Germany.EU.net!news-reader.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net!not-for-mail From: "Markus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Suche Mellifica Königin ! Date: 29 May 1997 17:19:38 GMT Organization: Customer of EUnet Germany; Info: info@Germany.EU.net Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bc6c50$240dd100$1dab9bc1@default> Reply-To: mmarb@s-direktnet.de NNTP-Posting-Host: host244.seitz.net Keywords: Germany Only ! X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8460 Hallo Imker & Bienenzüchter ! Ich suche nach der Bienenrasse Mellifica,wo bekomme ich die Königin dieser Rasse? Article 8461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.gte.net!news-in.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and my hot tub Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 18:26:13 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7D2F36281901B7B8.0192CF1B2BC3A288.0C4C2484075A918B@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <5n6cbk$jq3@library.airnews.net> References: Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal03-05.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8461 tpark@world.std.com (Ted Park) wrote: >Greetings bee experts; >I live in a suburban area in Calgary, Alberta, and just moved into a >home with a hot tub. There seem to be a some bees that are attracted >to the hot tub I think the answer is obvious....they're looking for the PARTY! Where there's a hot tub - there's bound to bee a party near by..... Article 8462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how fast should bees draw out comb? Date: 5 Jun 1997 16:45:45 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <19970605164500.MAA21526@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <3396D24A.6096@polisci.tamu.edu> Org