From npatt@snet.net Tue Jun 1 22:02:27 EDT 1999 Article: 17956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: where to get very small extractor Date: 1 Jun 1999 12:08:18 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7j0ifi$s8d@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh2-port218.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17956 Do you know where I can purchase a 2-3 frame hand crank extractor cheap. I have one hive and don't want or need anything bigger. Norm npatt@snet.net From jmitc1014@aol.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news1!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Harvest Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jun 1999 04:24:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7iv3dj$4rp$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990601002459.12514.00009267@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17957 I'm too new to have ever faced this problem, but seems like most of the the book authors agree taht the bee blower is easiest. From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Tue Jun 1 22:02:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.ultranet.com!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:25:20 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7j0qj3$oov$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <7ik4kb$jjq$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <3752D9D4.E0B092CD@worldnet.att.net> <7iv3dk$4rp$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 928247203 25375 129.173.88.206 (1 Jun 1999 14:26:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 1999 14:26:43 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17958 Peter Edwards wrote: > > I believe that the 2-heptanone lasts about 20 minutes on average - it is > also used to mark brood cells when the larvae are fed and the nurse bees > that the larva needs feeding again when it has dispersed. Not sure about > the isopentyl acetate, but probably similar; snip IPA (isopentyl acetate) is a important part of the honey bee alarm pheromone. It has a fruity smell and is very volatile. On the abdomen tip is a gland which produces this pheromone, and after you got stung the gland remains with the stinger in your skin to label the target. If the stuff is released by bees to alarm the colonie the effect is not very long lasting, only minutes or even seconds (but the colonie responds to subsequent signals much faster). A stinger in your skin, or glan tissue on your fingers after removing the stinger ist very active for at least 30 minutes. Wash your hands after removing a stinger, or use vinegar solution to mask the pheromone scent. Otherwise it's just a matter of time to catch another one. Cheers Ulli From hutchiso@ccp.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Lowell & Diane Hutchison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm in tree Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: CCP Online Message-ID: <928253688.517046@super.ccp.com> Cache-Post-Path: super.ccp.com!unknown@dialup136-1.ccp.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:15:59 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.193.195.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 928253787 207.193.195.8 (Tue, 01 Jun 1999 09:16:27 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 09:16:27 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17959 Just got a call from a lady that has a swarm of bees that showed up and made their home in an old oak tree in her yard. She wants them taken away. How do I get them out of the tree?? Appreciate any help. From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 1 22:02:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:07:30 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3753F732.1D4F10E@worldnet.att.net> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.0.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 928249611 11192 12.72.0.11 (1 Jun 1999 15:06:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 1999 15:06:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17960 A few years ago Dear Abbey ran a long discussion of this topic of toilet paper flap up or down, with many writers sending in passionate opinions of why one way or another is superior. One young woman pretty much ended the matter by writing in to say that she was looking for a young man with rather more on his mind than such topics. Aaron Morris wrote: > > In article <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> > "Barry Birkey" writes: > > > > > ... which is the more natural and pure way to put a roll of > >toilet paper on the holder. > > > No wait! The TP should roll off so that it's between the wall and the roll. > It tears better that way. Now the REAL controversy is, "crumple or fold?" > > Aaron Morris - thinking TP is far more interesting than BK! From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Tue Jun 1 22:02:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.primenet.com!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Flow Eastern PA? Date: 1 Jun 1999 15:09:29 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7j0t39$hn6$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <7isufn$fuv$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17961 To pollinator's response I'll also add for SE Penn, depending where you are, wild roses and various brambles (some ending, some just getting started) and honeysuckles. There is also a little wild mustard still blooming, though that tends to be an earlier source. Dave T. Gabe (Redshrike@worldnet.att.net) wrote: : Hi all, : I have a 2 year old hive in eastern Pennsylvania near Downningtown. : I was wondering if anyone could tell me how long the honeyflow is in this : area. I am relativly new to beekeeping and have never kept them in this : area. What types of plants are they collecting from and how long is the : heaviest part? Also, is there a later flow in June and July? : Thanks, : Gabe -- From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 1 22:02:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rush hour? Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:19:52 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <37542448.692C9538@worldnet.att.net> References: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> <19990601115057.21411.00006519@ng63.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.3.32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 928261143 23073 12.72.3.32 (1 Jun 1999 18:19:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 1999 18:19:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17962 Something puzzles me about some blooming clover growing near my hives. These blossoms are covered for most of the day with a large number of bumble bees and many other types of bees and flies, yet nary a one of my honey bees deigns to sniff here. Although I examine this patch several times each day, I've only seen one or two honey bees feeding at most a few times. The season is still early here at 3,000 feet, but the days are hot. The blackberry and star thistle are still weeks from bloom, so why would bees ignore one of the few feed sources around, especially when it's only about 20 feet from home? Beetools wrote: > > Another possible explaination to your observation is that there is a plant/tree > with a narrow nectar window. Flowers do not have nectar in them all day long - > only at certian hours of the day. Bees will not waste their time visitng > flowers without nectar and will wait until the necatr is up in the flower > before visiting and stop when it drops. > > This is a constant "education" process with growers who call beekeepers > providing pollianino services and complain that they just went into their > orchard at 9AM and their isn't a single bee on their cherry trees (or whatever > crop). We tell them to check again at 3PM and the grower finds the trees all a > buzz. > > Ron Bennett > Luckiamute Bee From Steve_Hird@hp.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!news From: Steve Hird Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No brood question Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 12:18:31 -0500 Organization: Hewlett Packard Lines: 13 Message-ID: <375415E7.B908E609@hp.com> Reply-To: Steve_Hird@hp.com NNTP-Posting-Host: mtdsteve.lvld.hp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17963 I have three hives now, one from a swarm I captured two weeks ago. One of the other hives has no developing brood, but does have at least one queen cell that is occupied. Early in the spring the queen was laying fine. This hive may have created the captured swarm. There is still plenty of worker bees in the hive. Should I be worried about this lack of brood? Is it maybe a lull caused by the swarm leaving and the new queen taking over or maybe a mid honey flow lull in bee production? any ideas would be helpful. Maybe the queen cells are the bees attempt to remedy this problem? None of my bee keeping books has any mention of this sort of situation. From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rush hour? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:01:21 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7j1a76$bd5@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> <19990601115057.21411.00006519@ng63.aol.com> <37542448.692C9538@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo14-11.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 01 1:53:26 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17964 Hasta B. Shasta wrote: >Something puzzles me about some blooming clover growing near my hives. >These blossoms are covered for most of the day with a large number of >bumble bees and many other types of bees and flies, yet nary a one of my >honey bees deigns to sniff here. Although I examine this patch several >times each day, I've only seen one or two honey bees feeding at most a >few times What kind of clover is it? Red clover has slightly longer flower-tubes than white, sweet, and alsike clovers, which is many times just a tad too long for a honey bee's tongue to reach, but not a bumble bee (which has a longer tongue). If nectar secretion is heavy in the flower tube, the amount of nectar may build up to a level and enable the honey bee to reach it (and enable her to get all the nectar in the tube via capillary action). --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Tue Jun 1 22:02:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 99 09:14:03 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1835081DES86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17965 In article <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> "Barry Birkey" writes: > > ... which is the more natural and pure way to put a roll of >toilet paper on the holder. > Definitely so the TP rolls off towards you. Aaron Morris - thinking bandwidth is a wonderful thing to waste! From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Tue Jun 1 22:02:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 99 09:16:07 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17966 In article <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> "Barry Birkey" writes: > > ... which is the more natural and pure way to put a roll of >toilet paper on the holder. > No wait! The TP should roll off so that it's between the wall and the roll. It tears better that way. Now the REAL controversy is, "crumple or fold?" Aaron Morris - thinking TP is far more interesting than BK! From beetools@aol.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rush hour? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jun 1999 15:50:57 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> Message-ID: <19990601115057.21411.00006519@ng63.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17967 Another possible explaination to your observation is that there is a plant/tree with a narrow nectar window. Flowers do not have nectar in them all day long - only at certian hours of the day. Bees will not waste their time visitng flowers without nectar and will wait until the necatr is up in the flower before visiting and stop when it drops. This is a constant "education" process with growers who call beekeepers providing pollianino services and complain that they just went into their orchard at 9AM and their isn't a single bee on their cherry trees (or whatever crop). We tell them to check again at 3PM and the grower finds the trees all a buzz. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee From barry@birkey.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:44:00 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7j1kc8$me3$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.149.139 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17968 In article <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> , SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: > In article <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> > "Barry Birkey" writes: > >> >> ... which is the more natural and pure way to put a roll of >>toilet paper on the holder. >> > No wait! The TP should roll off so that it's between the wall and the roll. > It tears better that way. Now the REAL controversy is, "crumple or fold?" Definitely fold. I think wasn't it someone by the name of Langstroth (name rings a bell for some reason) that discovered proper TP spacing? I think it's 4-1/2" to every perforation. He found that given this spacing of perforations, humans would tend to waste less (pardon the pun) TP than TP that was not perforated. In the days of the out house, this nonperforated type wasn't as much of a problem as the roll usually was not in a holder of any kind and the pit could handle large amounts of TP. With the invention of indoor plumbing, pipes would get clogged quite often so Langstroth's discovery forever changed this aspect of our lives. I think he also was instrumental in the development of the TP dispensers that one sees at public restrooms as I quote from my copy of THE HOUSE AND THE HUMAN. "Also, unlike some other dispensers, Langstroth's could be tiered - built up from a number of holders one placed above another - and this is of great practical utility when working a heavy ***** flow." Forgive me, I wasted far more bandwidth then you did. Barry From bek@e-postboks.dk Tue Jun 1 22:02:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news100.image.dk!news020.image.dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bernd Kuemmel" Subject: Willow-Pollen and Honeybee Build-up during spring ? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.bio.botany,sci.bio.entomology.misc Organization: privat Message-ID: <01beac73$4a0969e0$354636d4@bek> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 29 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:09:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.54.70.53 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@image.dk X-Trace: news020.image.dk 928271357 212.54.70.53 (Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:09:17 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:09:17 MET DST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:34662 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17969 sci.agriculture.fruit:2778 sci.bio.botany:9889 sci.bio.entomology.misc:8903 Dear Reader I am currently investigating the following, unfortunately very difficult, questions: 1. If I have short-rotation coppicing (SRC) willow that is harvested every 2 to 4 years, what is the amount of pollen that male willow plants would produce during early spring (like grams per flower per day and how many flowering days can I count on)? 2. How much of this pollen could be harvested by bee families? 3. If I increase the share of SRC willow from 0 to 5% (or 10%) of a 1 square kilometre (c. .35 sq miles) area, how much would this extra pollen during spring mean for the build-up of the bee family (like in how much would its size [=number bees in %] be enlarged)? 4. What would this better start during spring mean for the summer honey production? I especially need information on question 1. I would especially appreciate guidance to literature, or also IN, references. Thank you in advance. Bernd Kuemmel From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 1 22:02:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:15:37 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7j1plc$7vf$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <375323B2.5481@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-108.hyalgan.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 928279020 8175 62.136.71.108 (1 Jun 1999 23:17:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 1999 23:17:00 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17970 Used fondant for three years now and it is excellent. Some of the advantages: Easy to store Does not deteriorate like unused syrup No mixing Can feed many colonies very quickly - particularly useful in a bad Spring No need for expensive feeders No leaking syrup No robbing Can be fed at any time of the year I have made up some simple ekes - 2.5 inches high - and place one of these on the colony above the brood box. I then cut the 12.5 kg block of fondant in half lengthways and place it cut side down directly on the queen excluder, crown board on top, then roof. I treat for varroa using thymol, 1 tsp. in an old honey jar lid and this goes on the Q/E as well. Last Autumn I fed and treated 90 colonies in 8 hours; I am sure that it would have taken longer just to mix up syrup. David Smith wrote in message <375323B2.5481@mindspring.com>... >Any one using Liquid Smoke from a mister or baker's >fondant for feeders (glucose syrup and white sugar ) care to >comment on them? From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 1 22:02:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rush hour? Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:49:29 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <37547189.D3FB999@worldnet.att.net> References: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> <19990601115057.21411.00006519@ng63.aol.com> <37542448.692C9538@worldnet.att.net> <7j1a76$bd5@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.192.148 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 928280897 12297 12.72.192.148 (1 Jun 1999 23:48:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 1999 23:48:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17971 Well, hot damn! The flowers on the clover are red; if that makes it red clover, I guess you've got it. The few honey bees I've seen there rush >from bloom to bloom, never spending anywhere near the amount of time the bumble bees spend at each blossom. David Scribner wrote: > > Hasta B. Shasta wrote: > >Something puzzles me about some blooming clover growing near my hives. > >These blossoms are covered for most of the day with a large number of > >bumble bees and many other types of bees and flies, yet nary a one of my > >honey bees deigns to sniff here. Although I examine this patch several > >times each day, I've only seen one or two honey bees feeding at most a > >few times > > What kind of clover is it? Red clover has slightly longer flower-tubes than > white, sweet, and alsike clovers, which is many times just a tad too long > for a honey bee's tongue to reach, but not a bumble bee (which has a longer > tongue). If nectar secretion is heavy in the flower tube, the amount of > nectar may build up to a level and enable the honey bee to reach it (and > enable her to get all the nectar in the tube via capillary action). > > --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - From calin@ozemail.com.au Fri Jun 4 06:48:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise for Feral Swarm Capture Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 11:25:03 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <375487EF.246EAA36@ozemail.com.au> References: <37564a15.548385526@news.emji.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 928283052 9616 203.63.79.234 (2 Jun 1999 00:24:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 1999 00:24:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17972 You situation is very much like the one in "swarm in a tree" (just 2 posts before yours) My reply that post also applies to you except except that instead of cutting down the tree you COULD open up about 1 or 2 square metres of the wall. The website mentioned in that reply answers a lot of the questions you friend is asking you todd@interadnet.com wrote: > First of all, Thanks to all of you who helped with my Odd Bee-haviour > post several weeks ago. Midnites are definately going gangbusters. > > Situation: > A friend has some Honeybees that have taken up residence inside the > walls of her house. A friend and I want to capture the swarm if > possible. (We have an empty hive and some drawn frames to get them > started.) > > Problem > 1. We've never done this before. > 2. We dont have a "Big Johnson Bee Vac" > 3. We cant tear the walls apart or up to get to the hive. > 4. We only have a few days before she and her husband result to a > Pesticide solution. > > Options > How do we get the queen/swarm out? > We've heard of drumming? > Could we bait with a caged queen? > Could we smoke till they swarm and recapture somewhere? > Could we place the new hive at the entrance and just hope? > > Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. > > BTW were in Apex NC. > > Thanks > Todd Wittlief From honeybs@radix.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:14:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7j1u8n$24b$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <375323B2.5481@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p35.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17973 David Smith wrote: >Any one using Liquid Smoke from a mister or baker's >fondant for feeders (glucose syrup and white sugar ) care to >comment on them? The liquid smoke is similar to a cigarette butt in a urinal - it's very hard to light! On the serious side I like it for one or two colonies but for real serious bee work I prefer old smokey. It seems to give better control. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From helmick@webtv.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <24024-37548A7B-85@newsd-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7j1kc8$me3$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUApNW0/b0hIstGJxixFiL3DdDhpLcCFCWWPxatGl2oWAfoeAohTU9IBR05 Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17974 I remember when the toliet paper came by the page and we "crumbled" (especially the shiney pages. From lithar@midwest.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:08:24 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 47 Message-ID: <37549218.4C09@midwest.net> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <7j1kc8$me3$1@eve.enteract.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.16 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 02:19:41 GMT X-Trace: 928289981.009.42 JF3D7GB4M1C10D0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17975 Aw, you all, and that Lang guy, are a bunch of a.. retentives - *everyone* knows the only natural position for the TP is atop the bar, top bar TP - only 'natural' way - allows for true freedom & self expression. For further enlightenment I offer the following: http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~mineart/tpaper2.html AL Barry Birkey wrote: > > In article <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> , SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu > (Aaron Morris) wrote: > > > In article <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> > > "Barry Birkey" writes: > > > >> > >> ... which is the more natural and pure way to put a roll of > >>toilet paper on the holder. > >> > > No wait! The TP should roll off so that it's between the wall and the roll. > > It tears better that way. Now the REAL controversy is, "crumple or fold?" > > Definitely fold. I think wasn't it someone by the name of Langstroth (name > rings a bell for some reason) that discovered proper TP spacing? I think > it's 4-1/2" to every perforation. He found that given this spacing of > perforations, humans would tend to waste less (pardon the pun) TP than TP > that was not perforated. In the days of the out house, this nonperforated > type wasn't as much of a problem as the roll usually was not in a holder of > any kind and the pit could handle large amounts of TP. With the invention > of indoor plumbing, pipes would get clogged quite often so Langstroth's > discovery forever changed this aspect of our lives. > > I think he also was instrumental in the development of the TP dispensers > that one sees at public restrooms as I quote from my copy of THE HOUSE AND > THE HUMAN. "Also, unlike some other dispensers, Langstroth's could be > tiered - built up from a number of holders one placed above another - and > this is of great practical utility when working a heavy ***** flow." > > Forgive me, I wasted far more bandwidth then you did. > > Barry From bill.greenrose@valley.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Harvest Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:18:27 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3754A283.B96EF040@valley.net> References: <3752F0C3.B1384D5F@aug.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-110.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17976 Timothy Dobbs wrote: > What is the easiest and quickest way to remove bees from supers to > harvest honey? > Tim Dobbs > tdobbs@aug.edu greetings, guess it depends on your definition of 'easiest.' others have already mentioned blowers, which certainly are quick. but, for my couple of hives i use inner covers, fitted with a couple of one-way porter escapes and inserted between the super and the rest of the hive. leave on overnight. the bees migrate down to the colony at night and can't get back into the super(s). works really well, and i usually only have a handful of bees to brush off the frames the next day. being an overnight process it is not the quickest, but it is very easy, having no power requirements or equipment to transport [except for the modified inner covers]. as an aside, i left two empty supers out on the lawn for 'just a couple of minutes' a couple of weeks ago. big mistake. in minutes they had bees all in and around 'em. i stacked them and put an escape board on top upside down. i watched as the bees exited via the porter escapes, but could not get back inside. they were VERY persistent, but failed to a one. in a half hour the supers were empty of bees. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Jun 4 06:48:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise for Feral Swarm Capture Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jun 1999 02:40:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <375487EF.246EAA36@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <19990601224001.14546.00008327@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17977 They have to open the wall and clean out the dead bees and honey and brood. Otherwise the smell of several pounds of dead bees is going to make them open the wall anyway. Also you need to remove the comb and pack the cavity with insulation otherwise bees will find it again next year or next month because it is the right size and now smells like bees. You may be able to trap the field bees as they emerge over a few weeks and lessen the amount of dead bees in the wall . I would walk away from this swarm now but when I was a new beekeeper I would have tried it. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From millerb@acm.org Fri Jun 4 06:48:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Bryan Miller Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Parasites on wasps? Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 19:46:50 -0700 Organization: Manky Pro Inc Lines: 6 Message-ID: <37549B1A.E675CAC5@acm.org> Reply-To: millerb@acm.org NNTP-Posting-Host: sji-ca13-215.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 01 7:46:10 PM PDT 1999 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17978 Has anyone ever seen what appears to be small red mites on the abdomen of paper wasps? I have heard several anecdotal reports but have never seen this first hand. cheers, Bryan From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise for Feral Swarm Capture Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jun 1999 05:00:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <37564a15.548385526@news.emji.net> Message-ID: <19990602010047.15023.00002694@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17979 >3. We cant tear the walls apart or up to get to the hive. >4 >We only have a few days before she and her husband result to a >Pesticide solution. > >BTW were in Apex NC. > >Thanks >Todd Wittlief Todd, There is no other way to remove these bees except by removing part of the wall. Unless you have a month or two to use a funnel escape and a second hive , even then there is NO guarantee. Please explain to your friends that if the colony is sprayed then that is only the beginning. The wax will melt this summer allowing the pesticide enriched honey to run down the walls and soak into anything it touches, leaving permanent stains. Give me some exact info on the colony and i'll try to help further. what type of house is it? where are the bees going in ? how long has it been there ? is there a reason that removing part of the wall is impossible ? Get back to me asap on this, I might even be able to come up and help you guys do the job. You get the bees and the honey I get the money. Mail or phone 910-814-0540 Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hensler@povn.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:06:01 -0700 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3754ADA9.58D5@povn.com> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <7j1kc8$me3$1@eve.enteract.com> <37549218.4C09@midwest.net> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp225.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17980 AL wrote: > > Aw, you all, and that Lang guy, are a bunch of a.. retentives - > *everyone* knows the only natural position for the TP is atop the bar, > top bar TP - only 'natural' way - allows for true freedom & self > expression. > > For further enlightenment I offer the following: > http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~mineart/tpaper2.html Yo Al (probably an alias) & all: I hereby rescind any statement I may have made earlier in regards to beekeepers being particularly busy this time of the year, however I do still stand by my assertion that they *can* be a bit testy at times... :-) Skip Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From todd@interadnet.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!dca1-nnrp1.news.digex.net.POSTED!iceman.emji.net!doorman.interadnet.com From: todd@interadnet.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Advise for Feral Swarm Capture Reply-To: todd@interadnet.com Message-ID: <37564a15.548385526@news.emji.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.450 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:02:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.22.135.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: dca1-nnrp1.news.digex.net 928270935 207.22.135.3 (Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:02:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:02:15 EDT Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17981 First of all, Thanks to all of you who helped with my Odd Bee-haviour post several weeks ago. Midnites are definately going gangbusters. Situation: A friend has some Honeybees that have taken up residence inside the walls of her house. A friend and I want to capture the swarm if possible. (We have an empty hive and some drawn frames to get them started.) Problem 1. We've never done this before. 2. We dont have a "Big Johnson Bee Vac" 3. We cant tear the walls apart or up to get to the hive. 4. We only have a few days before she and her husband result to a Pesticide solution. Options How do we get the queen/swarm out? We've heard of drumming? Could we bait with a caged queen? Could we smoke till they swarm and recapture somewhere? Could we place the new hive at the entrance and just hope? Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. BTW were in Apex NC. Thanks Todd Wittlief From jmitc1014@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OT-long-was top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jun 1999 21:51:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990601004431.12514.00009272@ng-cd1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990601175118.28279.00002087@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17982 Folded not crumpled. Less waste, more efficient. From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OT-long-was top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 1999 13:04:01 GMT References: <19990601004431.12514.00009272@ng-cd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990602090401.21307.00000009@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17983 jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) writes: >The comment, as quoted by Hubbell, came from none other than C.P Dadant, and >implied that talented beekeepers care so deeply about attention to detail, >that >in their fussiness they can get a little cranky. Also Skip writes "And, as pointed out here recently, beekeepers have a tendency to be somewhat testy even on a good day." Other professions such as accountants and computer programmers tend to have to pay great attention to detail. I don't hear of them being testy, cranky or bitchy. These are traits I sure don't want to pick up as a new beekeeper. Maybe bee person should operate their apiary in such a way to avoid this scenario. From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: shopping for NZ honey Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 1999 13:04:00 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990602090400.21307.00000008@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17984 A man was selling honey at market that was from New Zealand. He said that it was a beekeeper's paradise. Man was also made some claims about the honey which I won't say here because I haven't researched the validity.He let me try about 10 different types. After trying so many it was hard to differentiate between them. He also had some comb honey. I want to buy some comb honey but I am not sure of criteria to use when buying. I have a video on comb honey but it doesn't really tell you what to look for when buying. Is freshness important and is quality of comb important ? Its a great product. From jesse.hunter@bms.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!blanket.mitre.org!raptor.com!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Landscaping for Bees and Honey Production Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:13:55 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 10 Message-ID: <37553C23.6FC2264A@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.244 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17985 I am in the process of planting trees, shrubs, flowers, etc. for a large yard (4 acres) which is also adjacent to some other acreage that I own. What are the preferable varieties of these trees, etc that I should plant to accommodate (in the future) the couple of colonies of bees that I have recently started. Thank you in advance for your insight. Jesse From spmr@msn.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Stuart Roberts" References: <01beac73$4a0969e0$354636d4@bek> Subject: Re: Willow-Pollen and Honeybee Build-up during spring ? Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:41:28 +0100 Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.bio.botany,sci.bio.entomology.misc Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.46.180.32!cpmsnbbsa04!cpmsnbbsa02 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:34670 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17986 sci.agriculture.fruit:2779 sci.bio.botany:9891 sci.bio.entomology.misc:8908 Bernd Kuemmel wrote in message <01beac73$4a0969e0$354636d4@bek>... >Dear Reader >1. If I have short-rotation coppicing (SRC) willow that is harvested every >2 to 4 years, what is the amount of pollen that male willow plants would >produce during early spring (like grams per flower per day and how many >flowering days can I count on)? > >2. How much of this pollen could be harvested by bee families? Don't forget that certain Andrena species (Apidae; Andreninae) (A.clarkella, A.praecox, A.apicata, A.ruficrus and probably others in continental Europe) depend on Salix pollen as do (indirectly) their various Nomada cleptoparasites. Bombus spp. (especially B.terrestris) is also a common visitor to male Salix. Good luck with the project Stuart Roberts From rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Fri Jun 4 06:48:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7i7b9f$kk$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990522221647.29567.00003817@ng-fg1.aol.com> <7i8i32$l3j$2@news1.Radix.Net> Subject: Re: Apistan Advise? Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:58:00 -0400 Lines: 8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.3 Message-ID: <3748430e.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 23 May 1999 13:03:58 -0600, 209.192.109.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17987 >Pardon my ignorance but what's a stone fruit? Anything with a stone, peaches, cherries...... -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" ICQ# 19545315 From rjk@REMOVEsofthome.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rj bees at Kiff.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990522152520.17932.00003195@ngol07.aol.com> <7i76sv$nq2$1@gxsn.com> <7i7ak8$iko$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7i93lh$mht$1@gxsn.com> Subject: Re: top bar hive comb attachment Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 00:42:13 +0100 Lines: 60 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.200.89 Message-ID: <37488f07.0@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 24 May 1999 00:28:07 GMT, 195.34.200.89 Organization: FreedotNet Subscriber Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.200.89 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17988 Just some passing thoughts on this thread It depends what you mean by porous Polythene is waterproof but it is still "Porous" Thats why crisps go stale in 6 weeks unless they are in aluminised bags where they can last for 6 months. Aluminium foil has a much better performance than polythene (or whatever you want to call it locally) and is often used as a vapour barrier in buildings you need the structure to be moisture permeable to help stop condensation on the inside surfaces of the hive. But to keep the timber dry it is essential not to have an impermeable coating on the outside. Although a water repellent coating on both sides is very useful. It is not the porosity of wood that gives good heat insulation but the cell structure which provides for a multitude of air spaces. As you are all probably aware water has a high conductivity rate and in damp timber fills most of the air spaces but the density of the timber also has some effect as well -- Rj, England UK bees@kiff.net if replying direct use address above or remove REMOVE from posted address Christopher Dainton wrote in message news:7i93lh$mht$1@gxsn.com... > You could be right Peter > But 'non porous' suggests low insulation factor which could cause > condensation > The propolis provides a membrane against a porous wall. Just like in a > building > So with timber you have a porous, well insulated (against heat and cold > extremes), 'waterproofed' and workable material. > BUT is brace comb such a problem if the bee space is maintained? > I don't reckon so. > Regards > Chris D > > Peter Edwards wrote in message <7i7ak8$iko$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... > >Does anyone believe that any hive is porous? All of the inner surface has > a > >thin coating of propolis - and propolis is waterproof! > > > >Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7i76sv$nq2$1@gxsn.com>... > >>Using non-porous material would perhaps create condensation within the > >hive. > >>Have you seen what those bees do to metal spacers with propolis. > >>Is this likely to happen to other non-porous materials? > >> > > > > > > From dalbin@sprint.ca Fri Jun 4 06:48:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!east1.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!HME1-2.newsfeed.sprint.ca!newscontent-02.sprint.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Doug Albin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumblebees, capture & store? Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:40:00 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.99.77.138 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprint.ca X-Trace: newscontent-02.sprint.ca 928345054 149.99.77.138 (Wed, 02 Jun 1999 13:37:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 13:37:34 EDT Organization: Sprint Canada Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17989 Can bumblebees be captured and stored from one season to the next? We farm in Southern Ontario, Canada. Thanks Doug From jesse.hunter@bms.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!europa.netcrusader.net!209.150.97.11!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Landscaping for Bees and Honey Production Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 14:07:02 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Message-ID: <375572C6.CB8D6D1D@bms.com> References: <37553C23.6FC2264A@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.244 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17990 I forgot to mention, I live in Upstate New York. Jesse Hunter wrote: > I am in the process of planting trees, shrubs, flowers, etc. for > a large yard (4 acres) which is also adjacent to some other > acreage that I own. What are the preferable varieties of these > trees, etc that I should plant to accommodate (in the future) the > couple of colonies of bees that I have recently started. Thank > you in advance for your insight. > > Jesse From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise for Feral Swarm Capture Date: Wed, 02 Jun 99 16:50:39 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 77 Message-ID: References: <37564a15.548385526@news.emji.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.87 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 17:49:18 GMT X-Trace: 928345758.417.55 KRFRRPH9I1C57CF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17991 Hi, Yer doomed . Once they move in, and the pheromones, and the combs, and the honey, and the smells of a hive are there, it will attract endless repetitions of your problem . And the sugar will attract ants, and other insects . And the sugar will, with moisture, rot the wood, of the structure . And the brood will rot . And, all that wood, with honey running down through it is going to attract rats, and mice, insect pests, who knows what ? Better to bite the bullet, and do it right . Or, live with the bees . According to the books, I'm still reading, there are houses in the old world, that have lived with bees for decades . It could be worse . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/1/99 2:02PM, in message <37564a15.548385526@news.emji.net>, todd@interadnet.com wrote: First of all, Thanks to all of you who helped with my Odd Bee-haviour post several weeks ago. Midnites are definately going gangbusters. Situation: A friend has some Honeybees that have taken up residence inside the walls of her house. A friend and I want to capture the swarm if possible. (We have an empty hive and some drawn frames to get them started.) Problem 1. We've never done this before. 2. We dont have a "Big Johnson Bee Vac" 3. We cant tear the walls apart or up to get to the hive. 4. We only have a few days before she and her husband result to a Pesticide solution. Options How do we get the queen/swarm out? We've heard of drumming? Could we bait with a caged queen? Could we smoke till they swarm and recapture somewhere? Could we place the new hive at the entrance and just hope? Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. BTW were in Apex NC. Thanks Todd Wittlief From ej487@cleveland.freenet.edu Fri Jun 4 06:48:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.lafn.org!lafn.org!lafn.org!am197 From: ej487@cleveland.freenet.edu Subject: Help with Hive. X-Nntp-Posting-Host: lafn.org Message-ID: <1999May24.130812.22862@lafn.org> Sender: news@lafn.org Organization: Los Angeles Free-Net Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:08:12 GMT Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17992 I noticed a swarm in my backyard yesterday in northern Ohio. Found a football size hive about 6' off the ground in a pine tree. Should I do anything? Is it safe to mow here.? To me they looked like honeybees but I cant be sure. The "hive" just looked like a beard made of bees. e-mail please. THANKS -- am197@lafn.org OR ej487@cleveland.freenet.edu From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar hive-langstroth-bee space Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 1999 19:57:26 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17993 In making top bar hive from what I read the top bar width should vary by type of bee. I'm not sure, but in manufactured langstroth hive bee space is common for bees. What is formula for bee space? Thanks From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer.epix.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:13:12 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7j3psm$s28@news1.snet.net> References: <7in6rv$p5h$7@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990529044539.19943.00006232@ng-ft1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh9-port44.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17994 I have also had good luck with Benadryl, I take the maximum dose 1 hour before I start any operation where I won't be able to stop and remove stingers - like before I climb a ladder to hive a swarm (they may be cranky) or if a storm overturned many hives. Antihistamines work much better if they in your bloodstream before the venom is because they block the release of histamine, they don't destroy what is already released or undo the effects of the histamine that has already acted on your cells. After a sting (within an hour or 2 at most) a paste of Adolph's meat tenderizer will dissolve some of the venom. This is particularly useful in areas with poor circulation. Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990529044539.19943.00006232@ng-ft1.aol.com>... >True to a point, the Benadryl liquid filled caplets can be pierced and squeezed >out under the tongue. >I wouldn't rely on it entirely rather using it in conjuction with an epi pen. From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Landscaping for Bees and Honey Production Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 1999 19:57:26 GMT References: <375572C6.CB8D6D1D@bms.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990602155727.24379.00000119@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17995 I was wondering in having bees in hives would that noticeably help to propogate the plants in a bare field. Like for instance if you plant wild flowers or other plants in clumps would presence of bees in hives help to spread wildflowers over entire field. From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollination of tomato plants in hobby greenhouse Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 1999 19:57:27 GMT References: <19990601095208.13702.00004470@ngol06.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990602155727.24379.00000120@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17996 I've opted for shaking vines once a day. When you shake the vines you get the tomato plant fragrance, as well, which is nice. Thanks to all From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Fri Jun 4 06:48:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise for Feral Swarm Capture Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:05:19 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7j42t1$sf$1@gxsn.com> References: <37564a15.548385526@news.emji.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.133.56 X-Trace: 928354017 1NNUCNF1G8538C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17997 Ken I really love this reply I'm still chuckling Chris Real Name: wrote in message ... >Hi, > > Yer doomed etc etc . > > It could be worse . > >Ken . From apimo@apimo.dk Fri Jun 4 06:48:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsmangler.inet.tele.dQ!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New manual to Bidata! Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 01:32:18 +0200 Organization: EDBi Message-ID: <7j4f25$c9a$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip82.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 928366469 12586 195.249.242.82 (2 Jun 1999 23:34:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 1999 23:34:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17998 New updated software But here to read first If you want information about my software: I have put up a new manual to my software. It is not a technical manual, but also gives some advice about slecting queens based on some criteria, that all are genetic bound and therefore possible to change over a few years. Have a lokk at this manual http://apimo.dk/programs/engmanus.zip is around 400KB best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) http://wn.com.au/apimo (Australia) http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Landscaping for Bees and Honey Production Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 23:40:22 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37553C23.6FC2264A@bms.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 Jun 1999 23:36:38 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Jun 2 16:45:03 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 18 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-004txdallp040.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <3755c073.39389378@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17999 Jesse Hunter wrote: >I am in the process of planting trees, shrubs, flowers, etc. for >a large yard (4 acres) which is also adjacent to some other >acreage that I own. What are the preferable varieties of these >trees, etc that I should plant to accommodate (in the future) the >couple of colonies of bees that I have recently started. Thank >you in advance for your insight. > >Jesse Jesse, in what part of the world is your yard located? Climate plays an important role in the selection of bee forage. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.good.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: GRIDLOCK !!! Date: Wed, 02 Jun 99 23:08:47 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 23 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.113 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 00:07:25 GMT X-Trace: 928368445.557.87 KRFRRPH9I1C71CF95C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18000 Hi, OR : What a difference a couple of days make ! I thought they were busy before . NOT !!! The foragers can't easily make it back into the hive, for all the bees heading out to the flowers . About time . ALL THAT GOOD ADVICE AT WORK !!! Thanks-guys ! Ken . From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice on wiring new foundation? Date: Wed, 02 Jun 99 23:21:20 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <374D8D25.3F4765A2@riverace.com> <7ikr3o$i6t@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <51D24D466C0A7ED1.26450D35A7B93259.9501B7B2465C10EC@library-pro NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.113 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 00:19:58 GMT X-Trace: 928369198.010.86 KRFRRPH9I1C71CF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18001 Hi, I saw that insertion tool, at the feed store, but I think that an ice pick, or mechanic's scribe is better, because it cleans out the hole, as it inserts the grommet . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/29/99 5:55AM, in message <51D24D466C0A7ED1.26450D35A7B93259.9501B7B2465C10EC@l ibrary-pro, "dewitt" wrote: On the same subject; is it absolutely necessary to embed the wires into the foundation? cliff > Did you insert metal eyelets in the endbar holes? If not, you'll find the > wire cuts into the wood, which makes it difficult to get a tight draw (or > one that stays tight if you do). If you didn't use them, order them. They > are cheap (about $2.00 per 1000). While you're at it, don't forget the > little punch used to drive them into the endbar holes (.85 cents). > Together, they'll help you get strong cross-wires in the frame. > > --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - > > > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rush hour? Date: Thu, 03 Jun 99 00:03:14 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 56 Message-ID: References: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> <19990601115057.21411.00006519@ng63.aol.com> <37542448.692C9538@worldnet.att.net> <7j1a76$bd5@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <37547189.D3FB999@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.113 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 01:01:51 GMT X-Trace: 928371711.676.101 KRFRRPH9I1C71CF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18002 Hi, Does this mean we gotta take our hives to the bee dentist, for dental appliances ? forty thousand of them ? Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/1/99 4:49PM, in message <37547189.D3FB999@worldnet.att.net>, "Hasta B. Shasta" wrote: Well, hot damn! The flowers on the clover are red; if that makes it red clover, I guess you've got it. The few honey bees I've seen there rush >from bloom to bloom, never spending anywhere near the amount of time the bumble bees spend at each blossom. David Scribner wrote: > > Hasta B. Shasta wrote: > >Something puzzles me about some blooming clover growing near my hives. > >These blossoms are covered for most of the day with a large number of > >bumble bees and many other types of bees and flies, yet nary a one of my > >honey bees deigns to sniff here. Although I examine this patch several > >times each day, I've only seen one or two honey bees feeding at most a > >few times > > What kind of clover is it? Red clover has slightly longer flower-tubes than > white, sweet, and alsike clovers, which is many times just a tad too long > for a honey bee's tongue to reach, but not a bumble bee (which has a longer > tongue). If nectar secretion is heavy in the flower tube, the amount of > nectar may build up to a level and enable the honey bee to reach it (and > enable her to get all the nectar in the tube via capillary action). > > --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - From Keith.Hooker@tesco.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:51 EDT 1999 Article: 18003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!neptunium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Italian beekeeping Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:39:05 +0100 Organization: Tesco ISP Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7ir06k$8o0$1@epos.tesco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.140.68.131 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18003 Can anyone give me contact addresses of beekeepers in Italy? Keith From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:52 EDT 1999 Article: 18004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive- crescent shape comb Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 May 1999 10:50:50 GMT References: <928040059.662063@ridge.spiritone.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990530065050.08632.00004236@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18004 I didn't mean to insult any woodworker maybe I should have said a person who diddles around with wood (like myself). I have the greatest respect for anybody who could make their own hive My choice is the top bar hive. Even at my skill level I am going to make a nice one with scrap half log cedar siding . From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:52 EDT 1999 Article: 18005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 May 1999 10:50:51 GMT References: <7iqflv$er4$2@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990530065051.08632.00004237@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18005 I have a real nice site that you envision. Can I now label my honey "organic". Who is Peter A. Archives are tedious to search From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:53 EDT 1999 Article: 18006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!WCG!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Box Honey Frames Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:09:59 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7irug4$9kh@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com> References: <7irn85$udn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.222.133.28 X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 30 11:02:44 AM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18006 carmar007@yahoo.com wrote: >Years ago, 40' & 50's, we kept bees (Maine) and we used box frames. >These were about 4inches square & 2 inches thick and set into a rack in >the super. Are these still available? If so, where? > >Also, can anyone please tell me the names of some good catalogs? > >Thank you, > >Carol & Evelyn >Ozark Mtns. - MO Yes, they are still available. They're usually called basswood sections or split sections. They fit into special sized frames and supers, so keep that in mind if you decide to use them. You may also want to check out using what are called Ross Rounds; plastic rings (that also use different sized frames and supers) that work better for many. When using basswood sections, the bees may not draw and fill comb fully into the corners. Ross Rounds have no corners, so are filled more completely with comb. Once frames of rings are filled and capped, and are removed from the supers, plastic covers snap on to both sides of the ring taken out of the frame, making for a handy package. Some catalogs you might try for basswood sections, Ross Rounds and loads of other stuff are (in alpha order - they're all very good companies): Brushy Mountain Bee Farm - 1.800.BEESWAX Dadant & Sons - 217.847.3324 The Walter T. Kelley Co. - 502.242.2012 Western Bee Supplies - 406.883.2918 --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From pollinator@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:54 EDT 1999 Article: 18007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 7 questions for the beeblical elite. Lines: 87 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 May 1999 18:21:57 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7irdd1$3jv@news1.snet.net> Message-ID: <19990530142157.15944.00003562@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18007 From: npatt@snet.net >I have 2 deep and 1 shallow for the bees. Above that I have 2 shallows, one >brand new with foundation and one that I put on a while ago. > >The hive is absolutely packed with bees, brood and honey. > >The queen is laying very well. > >I'm concerned about it swarming. > > >Questions: > >1. I've read about clipping the queen's wings. Is this wise at this time? >or ever? Nope. The hive will swarm with a virgin queen, if the old queen cannot go. And you'll have a deformed queen, which could stimulate supersedure, when she obviously is a very good queen. Why mess with a good thing? >2. The top shallow super I put on is full of honey. Can I extract this now? Sure, and get it back on quickly. They'll love the wet comb, and may fill it again very quickly. >3. I just put one shallow on the hive. Should I put more on? Probably. Especially if the top one is now full. I always add supers, if I can see whitened comb (new wax) when I look down into the top super. The same is true if it is simply full of bees. Check with local beekeepers as to your flows in the area. >4. When examining the hive for queen cells, do I go through every super and >every frame in search of queen cells? NO! Let them BEE. You could demoralize them and stop their productivity. If you are seriously concerned about swarming, break the two deeps apart with your hive tool, tilt one up a bit, and see if there are cells between the boxes. > Will there be some this early? I am of the impression that this is a hive you just started, ie., this year's queen. It's not likely that they'll swarm unless you crowd them badly. If it is last year's queen, she is programmed to go, and probably will, as soon as the flow is interrupted by a spell of bad weather. If you see cells, split the two brood boxes apart, set one on a new bottom board. Put the weakest one on the old stand, make sure both halves have a cell or two. Presto, you now have two hives -- after - you've made a honey crop. Chances are, at least one half will make a crop again, tho that depends on your local flows. >5. Is there any place to find a little extractor that handles say, 2 or 3 >frames at a time? Check with your local bee club. They may have one for loan. >6. When do I put on a queen excluder? At this point they have probably pushed down the queen, due to the honeyflow. But I have seen times when the bottom box is empty. Check. If the flow tends to stop later, and you do not take all the honey, then get the queen below an excluder, or they will fill the supers with brood, and eat up the honey. This happens here in South Carolina, if I have a good queen, and leave supers on without excluders. Since my super comb is pretty poor brood comb, this can make a pretty poor hive. Also, they will come up to winter with no honey, as they've consumed it. Your best bet tho, is to consult with area beekeepers who know your conditions. >7. How do I not ruin a good situation? The old beekeeper saying: "If there's no flow, you can hardly do anything right; if there is a flow, you can hardly do anything wrong." One exception to the above -- not having supers on when there is a flow. If you find burr comb under the cover, when you lift it, you have lost a lot of honey, and you will be crowding your queen and shutting her off. You should always have excess supers, so that when the flow ends, there will be one empty super on top. That was the one they temporarily stored nectar in, and moved it down when it was concentrated. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From h.tait@home.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:55 EDT 1999 Article: 18008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <374E108C.98A3BE7E@midtown.net> Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:40:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 928089650 24.65.109.178 (Sun, 30 May 1999 11:40:50 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:40:50 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18008 JKimbro wrote in message news:374E108C.98A3BE7E@midtown.net... > I've had a similar reaction. In fact it's on the verge of worrying me. I > picked up an Epipen just to be safe. I got zapped in the thigh with just the > normal, 'oh damn,,,I just got stung',,, but then I got stung in the ankle and > it swelled up for four days! I've been keeping bees for about four years now > with no other serious reactions,,,I just can't help but to think it would be > just MY luck that now I'm allergic! > During a season I pick up hundreds of stings, 24 the other day in a 4 inch square. But little or no reaction. What I have noticed is that when stung on the ankle, I swell up as well cant put dress shoes on for a couple days ). The only time I seem to swell >from stings is when it is in an area where blood flow and circulation is poor. So I think your luck is still good for the most part. hugh From beeman@kingston.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: rush hour? Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 20:21:03 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.189.48.174 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 00:22:54 GMT X-Trace: 928110174.335.41 QANSHOMNI30AECDBDC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18009 Hi Everybody, I have been noticing that my hives all get VERY busy around the entrance starting at 3:30 and lasting until 4:00. Afterwards they settle back down. It appears that the bee traffic is going in both direction, with maybe the greater percent returning to the hive. They are all pretty much normal activity through out the rest of the day. The hives are located in different yards. I'm located in south eastern Ontario. Has anybody else noticed this? It's been a dry hot spring here. With limited rain. The spring flow was ok. We need more rain for the clover. -- Kent Stienburg Remove NOSPAM to reply. From islapro@islapro.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed.bcn.ttd.net!news.mad.ttd.net!not-for-mail From: islapro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Italian beekeeping Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 09:41:06 +0200 Organization: ISLA producciones digitales, S.L. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <37523D12.1E9AB7AA@islapro.com> References: <7ir06k$8o0$1@epos.tesco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip243.bdf.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3EA1B6509DACA35A7658E8E3" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [es] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18010 Este es un mensaje multipartes en formato MIME. --------------3EA1B6509DACA35A7658E8E3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Once in a while a fellow from Italy get involved in this forum, his address is : afichera@iol.it His first name is Alexander, and writes in english. Best wishes from Mallorca, Spain. Keith Hooker escribió: > > Can anyone give me contact addresses of beekeepers in Italy? > > Keith --------------3EA1B6509DACA35A7658E8E3 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Tarjeta de Jose Matas Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Jose Matas n: Matas;Jose org: ISLA producciones digitales, S.L. adr: Bdo. de Santa Eugenia, 14;;;Santa Maria;Mallorca;07320;SPAIN email;internet: islapro@islapro.com title: marketing tel;work: 971-620-115 tel;fax: 971-140-870 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------3EA1B6509DACA35A7658E8E3-- From pollinator@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Flow Eastern PA? Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 May 1999 11:25:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7isufn$fuv$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <19990531072545.11739.00002643@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18011 From: "Gabe" >I have a 2 year old hive in eastern Pennsylvania near Downningtown. >I was wondering if anyone could tell me how long the honeyflow is in this >area. I am relativly new to beekeeping and have never kept them in this >area. What types of plants are they collecting from and how long is the >heaviest part? Also, is there a later flow in June and July? Are your soils acid, or high lime? That is a critical difference, as there will be entirely different sets of nectar producers depending on your answer. In eastern Pennsylvania you can often go from one set to another in a short walk. High lime soils are based on limestone or marble. Acidic soils are based on shales, slates, granite, gneiss and such underlay. Sometimes the soils that are naturally acidic have been modified for agriculture with massive additions of lime. On the high lime soils you have an earlier season. Look for locust (which I imagine would be blooming about now in your area), tulip poplar, sweet clover (should be blooming about the end of June), alfalfa (first cutting is usually mowed before it blooms, but second cutting in July or early August may bloom extensively and give a fine honey. Other kinds of clovers also yield in early to mid summer, but sweet clover is the best. I'm not sure if you have star thistle (knapwee) that far south, but if you do, it's a fine honey. Basswood (wild or sometimes planted along streets as "linden,") is a very minty light honey. On acidic soils, your main crop probably will be goldenrod, which will grow on sweet soils, but won't yield worth a darn there. That is a late summer flow. Often you can move bees a short distance in mid summer and make both the early and late flows. Along the rivers, look for Japanese bamboo, which is considered a noxious weed, but makes a fine honey (it really is a wild buckwheat). If you can find a buckwheat field near you, boy are you ever in for a treat! Also near swamps another weed, purple loosestrife, which blooms for six weeks and makes a low grade honey (looks like Pennzoil and doesn't taste much better), but, hey, it's honey.... There are lots of other plants that fill in the flow. If you live in or near town, a lot of ornamental shrubs may yield a bit here and there, and in the aggregate, make a good yield for a few hives. One of the neat things about keeping bees is that you will also become a botany student. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-corner Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 May 1999 11:34:53 GMT References: <37520FEB.1BB2@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990531073453.25969.00001326@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18012 Would like to hear about positive experiences in the use of Top Bar Hives. From cde049@airmail.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!WCG!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Round metal hive bottom Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 20:55:26 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 41 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <7its58$8f5@library.airnews.net> References: <7irmb5$4ci@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com> <19990530125401.10853.00005391@ngol04.aol.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon May 31 06:35:04 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: ![6YN1k-W^iKAh" (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18013 That is what got me interested in this in the first place. I have had a feral hive out side my office window, here in Dallas, for the last four years. It is hung from the bottom of a tree branch, it is not in a hollow space and it is growing in leaps and bounds. That started me thinking that perhaps is surviving because mites that fall off the bees fall to the ground and can not get back up to the host. If I can find some one with a scanner locally I will post some pictures. I have watched this hive since it swarmed from a column on a house that was restored. I knew about the hive in the column for about 7 months before the restoration started. I saw the "football" and the first bits of comb that was drawn this hive is what got me interested in Beekeeping. Every winter it shrinks back up into the center combs and every spring is grows more and more. I keep binoculars in my office just to watch the hive in the winter so I know this is a continuos colony not one that has died out and been replaced. I have never tried to inspect it for varroa but the fact that it is over two years old and growing every year indicated to me that it is healthy. Cliff > I looked at the website, and quoting..."The principle of the anti-varroa > bottom board has come from the fact that: wild colonies of honey bees can be > found, free of varroa, in highly infested areas..." This is not a true fact > that I am aware of. In fact, my observation is that varroa has greatly reduced > the feral populatio, at least here in Texas. It may be difficult to find wild > colonies with great contamination of Varroa, generally because they are already > dead. If there are a few wild feral colonies really thriving, no doubt they are > still free of Varroa. > Am I incorrect here? From collinsb@portobello.ie Fri Jun 4 06:49:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Bill Collins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding hived swarm Organization: Portobello College X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:45:16 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.125.212.62 X-Complaints-To: news@indigo.ie X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 928150676 194.125.212.62 (Mon, 31 May 1999 12:37:56 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:37:56 BST Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18014 Hi I'm a Dublin based newcomer to bees I was lucky enough to come across a swarm last week which with the help of an experienced beekeeper I managed to hive. I've tried feeding the swarm, but they have only taken about half the syrup feed (2 bags sugar 1/2 gal water mixed. ) The bees appear to be bringing in lots of pollen to the hive. The feeder I made from an empty catering tin of instant coffee which I made perforations in the lid . This I placed over the opening in the crown board . Any advice,comments appreciated. Thanks Bill Collins From fordcar@my-deja.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: carmar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Box Honey Frames Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:47:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 59 Message-ID: <7iu0dq$ddn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7irn85$udn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7irug4$9kh@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.142.15.13 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 31 12:47:53 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.142.15.13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18015 David - Thanks for the information...much appreciated! Carol & Evelyn Ozark Mtns. - MO In article <7irug4$9kh@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com>, "David Scribner" wrote: > carmar007@yahoo.com wrote: > >Years ago, 40' & 50's, we kept bees (Maine) and we used box frames. > >These were about 4inches square & 2 inches thick and set into a rack in > >the super. Are these still available? If so, where? > > > >Also, can anyone please tell me the names of some good catalogs? > > > >Thank you, > > > >Carol & Evelyn > >Ozark Mtns. - MO > > Yes, they are still available. They're usually called basswood sections or > split sections. They fit into special sized frames and supers, so keep that > in mind if you decide to use them. You may also want to check out using > what are called Ross Rounds; plastic rings (that also use different sized > frames and supers) that work better for many. When using basswood sections, > the bees may not draw and fill comb fully into the corners. Ross Rounds > have no corners, so are filled more completely with comb. Once frames of > rings are filled and capped, and are removed from the supers, plastic covers > snap on to both sides of the ring taken out of the frame, making for a handy > package. > > Some catalogs you might try for basswood sections, Ross Rounds and loads of > other stuff are (in alpha order - they're all very good companies): > > Brushy Mountain Bee Farm - 1.800.BEESWAX > Dadant & Sons - 217.847.3324 > The Walter T. Kelley Co. - 502.242.2012 > Western Bee Supplies - 406.883.2918 > > --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From Amschelp@pe.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ52b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Message-ID: References: <7ikv5c$n6b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990528105437.17932.00004292@ngol07.aol.com> <7isur1$25k$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.121 X-Trace: typ52b.nn.bcandid.com 928159859 216.100.28.121 (Mon, 31 May 1999 10:10:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:10:59 EDT Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 07:15:18 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18016 Supersedure they call it, George, :0), as I became superannuated. In article <7isur1$25k$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net says... > > Peter, are you aware that someone has switched bodies with you? > From lauramleek@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:02 EDT 1999 Article: 18017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Jun 1999 04:10:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7j3psm$s28@news1.snet.net> Message-ID: <19990603001013.21823.00000228@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18017 Liquid benedryl is available and very fast acting. A bottle cost me $1.50 american. Laura From hensler@povn.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Landscaping for Bees and Honey Production Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 22:30:50 -0700 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 96 Message-ID: <37561309.5E10@povn.com> References: <37553C23.6FC2264A@bms.com> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp171.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18018 Jesse Hunter wrote: > > I am in the process of planting trees, shrubs, flowers, etc. for > a large yard (4 acres) which is also adjacent to some other > acreage that I own. What are the preferable varieties of these > trees, etc that I should plant to accommodate (in the future) the > couple of colonies of bees that I have recently started. Yo Jesse: I would have thought you would be snowed under by replies on this subject by now. Since that doesn't seem to be the case I will offer what advice I can. I'm not exactly sure what garden zone you are in but I would venture a guess that you would be roughly the same as us, Z 4 ½ to 5? Not knowing your soil type, preferences, local zoning ordinances (if any) time period you are willing to work with until said trees, etc. are mature enough to produce pollen and/or nectar. etc., I will try to relate what *I* would consider doing under the same circumstances. Please keep in mind this is one person's opinion only, it is *not* meant to in any way be a complete list of what you might find advantageous to plant in your area, nor do I make any claim of being particularly an expert on this subject. In addition I would first check with any local beekeeping clubs, individual beekeepers and nurseries, although I would try to confirm any nursery information unless you are *sure* the source actually knew anything about bee plants. :-) I'm going to assume you will be keeping your bees in one location and will not be capable of moving them to the various nectar sources as the availability changes. Under these conditions I would be primarily interested in providing a spread of plants that would be producing a nectar flow at different times of the year. This would be with the goal of having, to the extend possible, each flow starting as the previous one matured. I will relate what species that have worked well for us, you will need to check locally to see if the flowering dates would work for you, as well as to the suitability of each species for your local growing conditions. First of all I would concentrate on the early spring need for pollen. I would plant pussy willows and other willows if space and soil type allow. I would also put in various maples, mt. ash, service berry, poplar, aspen, tulip poplar, catalpa, honeysuckle, nanking cherries, sand cherries and all possible fruit trees, with the exception of pears. If you have the soil, location, water, time and interest I certainly would put in as much of an herb garden as possible. Once established, herbs require minimum care for the most part. The various herbs blended with clover, or whatever else is available, makes the most interesting honey, and marketed as "Herb & (whatever)" it sells like a charm. :-) There may be an herb or two that doesn't produce good honey but if so, we haven't run across them yet. :-) We utilize chives, borage, mint, lavender, sage, catnip, basil and thyme. I'm not sure if tansy is classified as an herb or just a plain ole weed, but *don't* plant it under any circumstances. a. t. A. You don't mention a vegetable or perennial garden in your plans. If so, I would consider as many raspberries and blackberries as you can possibly work in, seed onions, leaving at least some broccoli to flower, blueberries, scabiosa, hollyhocks, sunflowers, crocus, strawberries, cukes, squash, pumpkins, zucchini and early blooming tulips. If you are considering putting some of the acreage into pasture then check out vetch, alfalfa and all of the clovers except red clover. I would definitely consider planting as much buckwheat as possible. I don't know if you are a beer drinker or not, but buckwheat honey is the honey equivalent of stout in the beer world. :-) The really neat thing about buckwheat, in addition to being a good first crop plant when cultivating new acreage, is that (weather permitting) you can plan your seeding so that the bloom coincides with a dry period of other available bee plants. Check with your local seed supplier but I *think* seeding to bloom time is 60 days with buckwheat. One additional caveat: all of the above information can be pretty much useless without a soil test before you attempt to raise anything on your plot. Yes, it is possible you could get lucky and do quite well without one, but knowing what your soil condition is before you invest your time and $ will go a long way towards making sure the crop is a success instead of "Damn, I wonder what went wrong?" Contact your local extension office, garden center or national catalog garden supply outfit. Any one of them should be able to instruct you as to how to collect soil samples, where to have the test done and then instruct you as to what amendment(s), if any, you will need to add to maximize your growth potential. I hope this is of some help. If I have confused you, or can be of any additional assistance, please feel free to drop us an e-mail. Skip Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From liabilite@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: liabilite@aol.com (Liabilite) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: treatmeat for brood Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Jun 1999 06:07:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990603020727.10969.00000299@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18019 Can anyone tell me the parts or measurments for Terramycin and powder sugar ? From beeman221@my-deja.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:04 EDT 1999 Article: 18020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman221@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-langstroth-bee space Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 22:47:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7j4ca6$vkp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.105.166.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 02 22:47:37 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt; AltaVista 1.01.01) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.105.166.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18020 In article <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > In making top bar hive from what I read the top bar width should vary by type > of bee. I'm not sure, but in manufactured langstroth hive bee space is common > for bees. > What is formula for bee space? > Thanks There is no "formula" as such however the bees tell me they will keep a space of 7mm free of brace comb. "Listen to the bees, they know best" > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From joii4ozr@my-deja.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: PC Boy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 01:34:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7j21n0$6ke$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <375323B2.5481@mindspring.com> <7j1plc$7vf$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.22.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 02 01:34:24 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en] X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 lpwa.com:8000 (Apache/1.3.1), 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.178.22.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18021 In article <7j1plc$7vf$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > I treat for varroa using thymol, 1 > tsp. in an old honey jar lid and this goes on the Q/E as well. Interesting. Isn't thymol just a fancy way of saying oil of thyme, the herb? Are you saying that you don't use Apistan or formic acid? How long have you been using this? Do you find it effective? And can you elaborate on the method, where you obtain the thymol, etc.? Do you extract it yourself from thyme? TIA. -- "My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others' agony." Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Jun 4 06:49:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: treatmeat for brood Date: Thu, 03 Jun 99 08:59:09 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <183527E63S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19990603020727.10969.00000299@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18022 In article <19990603020727.10969.00000299@ng-fd1.aol.com> liabilite@aol.com (Liabilite) writes: > >Can anyone tell me the parts or measurments for Terramycin and powder sugar ? One 6.4 oz packet of water soluable TM-25, three 1 lb boxes of Domino Confectioners Sugar, mix thoroughly, treat hives with 1 rounded tablespoon sprinkled over ends of the frames 3 times at three to five day intervals. NO HONEY SUPERS for 6 WEEKS after treatments. Surf to: http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/97oct3.htm or better yet, READ THE LABEL! Aaron Morris - thinking RTFM! From shuston@riverace.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding second brood chamber? Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 10:52:36 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Message-ID: <375696B4.F50F154F@riverace.com> References: <7j40jo$ri0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: U+UxD0Hv9mYAQooxIeGKPvaVtY7g/9wciol4L2fzOqc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 1999 14:52:37 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Lines: 34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18023 Warning - this is my first beekeeping season, so don't bet the farm on this reply ;-) I had read/learned to add a second box when about 8 frames were drawn (not full of brood). Keep careful watch, though, to be sure the queen has space to lay. For example, if they start filling frames with honey in the middle, do something - I was advised to add the second box, move a couple of drawn frames (without honey in them) to the top box. Within a week, those frames were completely drawn and full of eggs, and I was a happy camper once again :-) If you're a beginner, it is wise to read and, if possible, get a local, experienced beekeeper's advice - ideally get him/her to come over and take a look at your hive. -Steve tim_jk@my-deja.com wrote: > > Looking for suggestions on adding my second brood box. > I have 5 full frames of brood now. Thought I remember > reading about adding after 8 to 9 frames of brood, but > not sure. Any help appreciated. > > Tim > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From jesse.hunter@bms.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.197.251.110!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-langstroth-bee space Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 11:28:27 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 30 Message-ID: <37569F1B.D6F48ABF@bms.com> References: <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com> <7j4ca6$vkp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.244 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18024 Here is a similar question as well: When using a langstroth hive, should the 10 frames be spaces evenly throughout the hive-body or super , or should they be pushed together toward the center with the excess space left on the ends of the frames. Thanks for the insight, Jesse beeman221@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com>, > jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > > In making top bar hive from what I read the top bar width should vary > by type > > of bee. I'm not sure, but in manufactured langstroth hive bee space > is common > > for bees. > > What is formula for bee space? > > Thanks > > There is no "formula" as such however the bees tell me they will keep a > space of 7mm free of brace comb. > > "Listen to the bees, they know best" > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From mveltman@lambton.on.ca Fri Jun 4 06:49:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives insulated for comfort Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 11:38:05 -0400 Organization: Lambton College, Sarnia, CANADA Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3756A15D.48486C57@lambton.on.ca> References: <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18025 Several years ago, when my family was in the beekeeping business, we use to use cardboard boxes which would fit tightly over the hive. I don't know if such an animal is available today. Mark Veltman Jajwuth wrote: > If you live in an area of a colder climate would it make sense to have an > insulated hive. I don't know for sure but I would imagine there would be less > temperature fluctuation within hive. > > In Sweden they have styrofoam hives per the following interesting quote in a > web site > > "My boxes are made from both styrofoam and wood. The styrofoam boxes are good > to winter in. The wooden boxes are used for supers during summer". > > Could there be any ill effects to bees from insulating a hive or making a hive > with a material with higher R rating than wood.. From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives insulated for comfort Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:55:07 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 45 Message-ID: <7j69bi$imv$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.55 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928426162 19167 12.72.49.55 (3 Jun 1999 16:09:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 1999 16:09:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18026 Yes there could be ill effects. Odd as it may sound, if they are too well insulated they may use up their stores too soon and starve. Rather than rewrite what has already been said, the following is from an article written by George Imirie: "Bees don't eat very much when they are INactive in the months of November and December when the Queen is not laying! The easiest winter, when very little food is used, is when it gets real cold at Halloween and STAYS, cold. so the bees practically don't move around. , at all and just huddle up sharing warmth in a nice cluster." The entire article is at http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/georges.spring.html George I. is in Maryland. I am in California where wintering consists of going from a 7/8" entrance to 3/8". Maybe someone from the northeast or Canada can provide some more info on wintering. Do you even wrap them up there anymore? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jajwuth Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 7:52 PM Subject: hives insulated for comfort > If you live in an area of a colder climate would it make sense to have an > insulated hive. I don't know for sure but I would imagine there would be less > temperature fluctuation within hive. > > In Sweden they have styrofoam hives per the following interesting quote in a > web site > > "My boxes are made from both styrofoam and wood. The styrofoam boxes are good > to winter in. The wooden boxes are used for supers during summer". > > Could there be any ill effects to bees from insulating a hive or making a hive > with a material with higher R rating than wood.. From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!attmtf!ip.att.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-langstroth-bee space Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:04:42 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7j69bi$imv$2@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com> <7j4ca6$vkp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37569F1B.D6F48ABF@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.55 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928426162 19167 12.72.49.55 (3 Jun 1999 16:09:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 1999 16:09:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18027 Depends on if they are drawn or not. Foundation should be 10 frames pushed tight together. It doesn't much matter if they are right, left or center as long as it is not too tight on the sides. After they are drawn they can be spread out. I usually remove 1 after they are drawn and run with 9. Easier to manipulate in the brood chamers and easier to uncap from the honey supers. Drawn frames can be spread out from the git-go. Jesse Hunter wrote in message news:37569F1B.D6F48ABF@bms.com... > Here is a similar question as well: When using a langstroth hive, should > the 10 frames be spaces evenly throughout the hive-body or super , or > should they be pushed together toward the center with the excess space left > on the ends of the frames. > > Thanks for the insight, > Jesse From totoruner1@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: totoruner1@aol.com (Totoruner1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EMAIL PROCESSORS NEEDED Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Jun 1999 16:06:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990603120624.21532.00000057@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18028 How would you like to make $1,000.00 - $5,000.00 a month? No startup money required. We will train. Its fun, easy, and only take a few hours a day. You set your own schedule. Fully legal and you'll help people enrich their lives. If you have a computer and Internet access then you're ready to start. Contact: Totoruner1@aol.com Subject: EMAIL PROCESSORS From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Jun 4 06:49:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a swarm, hot bees or both? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Jun 1999 16:26:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7j5nlu$q6@news1.snet.net> Message-ID: <19990603122644.03073.00000047@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18029 It's hot provide good ventilation by propping up the cover offsetting a super or puting match sticks between the boxes. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a swarm, hot bees or both? Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:47:21 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 103 Message-ID: <7j6703$84l@news1.snet.net> References: <7j5nlu$q6@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh9-port44.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18030 npatt@snet.net wrote in message <7j5nlu$q6@news1.snet.net>... >Here's the deal > >It's been hot and humid here in Connecticut. > >There are gobs of bees at the opening. Many are clustered in big handfulls. I've kept bees in CT for 10 years now, and in the weather we have had the behaviour you described does occur in the abcense of swarm preparations. We need some more information to decide what is going on. How long has the clustering been intense - a 2 days or a week? If they exhibit the same behavior tomorrow (low humidity and 70s forcast) then a swarm is likely. Is the clustering only intense during the heat of the day? My bees often cluster on hot humid days - you can reduce it by improving ventilation. I offset 2 hive bodies by 1/4 inch or prop the outer cover with a small stone. A strong colony can easily defend this opening and the airflow helps evaporate the water from all the nectar a strong colony brings in. If conditions force them to cluster for more than about 4 days out of 7 they will often start swarm prep. Also, direct sunlight at the hottest part of the day exagerates this behavior - are your bees in a well ventilated and shady spot? How old is the queen? less than a year old things must be very cramped for a long time (weeks) to swarm, 1-2 and she'll swarm under moderate pressure and 2+ years old means she is probably already well into the swarm preperations and even if you stop this one, the next stretch of hot humid weather will send her flying. Is she honey bound (ie, have they filled in with honey more than just the edges of the middl