Article 23366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screen bottoms and Fire Ants Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:06:10 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <89j13h$g0c$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38bc818e_2@news3.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Mar 01 12:06:10 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.10 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23366 In article <38bc818e_2@news3.paonline.com>, "William Cantrell" wrote: > Is there anyone on the NG who uses screen hive bottoms in an area with where > Fire Ants are located? > If so, do the ants bother your bees? > > William > North GA Mtns. > > We're in NW Florida and have plenty of fire ants. Last year we started with two hives and I placed them on supports made out of steel pipes. I coated the pipes with vaseline and/or automobile grease and never had a problem with fire ants. The ants do come and carry away dead bees from the ground in front of the hives but have never tried to go into the hives. Most of the winter we feed syrup in entrance feeders and try to keep the holes small enough so that none spills on the ground. We modified the screen bottoms so we can slide a piece of plywood out from the back of the hive and see what is on it. No fire ants. So far we've only found one dead Varroa mite, one dead wax moth, and two live wax moths. Early this year I changed the support to a 6 x 6 treated post sitting on concrete blocks because the pipes were not steady enough. If we begin to see fire ants getting in the hives, we'll go back to smearing grease on the supports. Sincerely, Herb (Vasak@aol.com) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:44:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 99 Message-ID: <89j3bf$hen$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38b93758.251409136@news1.radix.net> <20000227200643.14207.00002146@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.83.76 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Mar 01 12:44:31 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.222.83.76 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23367 In article <20000227200643.14207.00002146@ng-ce1.news.cs.com>, texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) wrote: > >Humm, I wonder if Vidor TX doesn't have a libray or is he just too > >lazy to use it? > > > >Greg the beekeep > > > > It sure does greg. And I have read every book on bees in it along with all of > the other local cities. It was the very first thing I did when I got involved > in beekeeping. Lazy... > Ha...that does give me a good laugh. How many other two man teams do you know > that maintain 3700 hives and produce between 500 ,000 and 600,000 pounds of > honey a year with the help of a few high school kids in the summer. Thats my > day job. After I'm through there I run an additional 150 hives on my own. On > the weekends I have taken to galavanting around the state at trade days to seek > a decent price for my bee products and in doing so also spread the wonder of > bees to many people. I have even visited several major French beekeepers in > search of knowledge. I got more information from them than anyone else and I > don't even speak the language. > > Lazy is not the word I would choose to describe my self. > > I have recently started pollen and propolis collections. I have built up a > large consumer base for my pollen. My questions are simple and can't readily be > answered by a book. > > 1. Does anyone else collect pollen. If so what are your daily averages per > hive. > > 2. Does anyone else collect propolis? If so how much do you average per hive. > > 3. Does anyone have any recipes for beeswax polishes or creams. > > In all my quests for knowledge I have accepted the fact that not everything is > found in a book...greg. The best knowledge is found in the heads of > experimentors and old timers and that is what I'm looking for. > > I seem to remember you making a comment the other day that now that it is warm > we can get back to keeping bees. Well good beekeeping is year round. We see our > bees at least once a month sometimes twice. Forgive me if that comment was not > yours, but I seem to associate it with your name. > > Before you judge a man you need to spend a day in his boots. > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" > Hi, I did find an internet site which listed one handcream recipe. It is the one from the book by Elaine White. Here it is: Skin Cream 2 1/2 ounces (weight) beeswax 4 ounces (weight) lanolin 2/3 cup baby or mineral oil 3/4 cup water 1 teaspoon borax (sodium borate, CP) Fragrant oil (optional) Melt the oil, lanolin and beeswax to 160 degrees F. Heat the borax and water in a separate container to 160 degrees F. Be sure the beeswax is melted and the borax is dissolved. Add the water mixture to the oil mixture while stirring. When a white cream forms, stir slowly until the mixture cools to 100 degrees F. Pour the cream into small, wide-mouth jars. This is a nice cream, but, the lanolin really makes it smell like a barnyard. I definitely use the fragrant oil (I use almond) to cut the smell of the lanolin. Give it a try !! Good Luck, Paul Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.249.97.47!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Books for sale Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:00:05 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23368 Hello Everyone Is it kosher to post books for sale in this N.G. as an attachment? I live in the U.K. but could post if covered in the price. Thanks Mike Smith Article 23369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Only you can prevent... Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Mar 2000 22:33:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000302173359.01270.00002133@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23369 From the Ottawa Citizen. This year I bought a metal pail that I can put my smoker in to cool off, though i do like the new Merrill toolbox device that is listed in the new Brushy Mountain Bee Farm catalog. March 2, 2000, Thursday, FINAL HEADLINE: Farmers blamed for massive forest fires DATELINE: ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia -- Police have detained nearly 150 farmers for allegedly starting fires that have destroyed more than 34,600 hectares of forest in southern Ethiopia, a newspaper said yesterday. The farmers failed to put out the fires they had lit to smoke out bees from their hives and collect honey, the Ethiopian Herald quoted police as saying. No charges against the farmers have been filed, the newspaper said. About 9,000 people have been mobilized to fight the fires, which broke out 18 days ago and were still raging out of control, the paper quoted Kasso Morka, an Agriculture Ministry official, as saying. ''It will take at least 10 years to replace the forest destroyed by the fire,'' Mr. Morka said. Article 23370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Books for Sale for Real . Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:07:55 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 92 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23370 Here it is contact me for prices.I shall be away from tommorrow untill next Tuesday or just have a good read of the titles.How many have you read? All The Best Mike Smith Beekeeping Book List. 1. Br.Adam.Beekeeping at Buckfast Abbey.1974? 2. Br.Adam.In Search of the Best Strains of Bees.1982? 3. D.V.Alfold.Bumblebees.d.w.1975. 4. D.V.Alford.d.w.The Life of the Bumblebee.1978. 5. E.R.Bent.Swarm Control Survey. d.w.1946. 6. A.Betts. The Diseases of Bees.Paperback .No date 7. L.Bill. For The Love of Bees.*** Signed by Br.Adam.1989 8. R.Brown.d.w.Beeswax.1981 9. C.G.Butler. d.w.The World of the Honeybee.1954. 10. G.E.Carter. Bees and Honey.1948. 11. D'Arcy Chapman.The Honeybee and Her Master. 1936. 12. K.K. Clark. Beekeeping. Paperback.1951. 13..E Crane.d.w. A Book of Honey.1980. 14. H.A.Dade. Anatomy and Dissection of the Honey Bee.d.w.1977. 15. A.S.C. Deans.d.w. Beekeeping Techniques. 1963. 16. T.Edwardes. Beekeeping for All. 1941. 17. J. Francon. The Mind of The Bees. Ex Lib. 1939. 18. J.B.Free. Honeybee Biology.Paperback.1982? 19. J.B. Free. Honeybees. 1978. 20. J.B.Free.The Social Organization of Honeybees.Paperback. 1977. 21. G.R.Gayre. Wassail! in Mazers of Mead.1948. Rebound upside down must have been potent! 22. W Herrod-Hempsall.The Beekeepers Guide.Paperback.1944. 23. W.Herrod-Hempsall.Bee Produce.1948. 24. T Hooper.Guide to Bees and Honey.d.w.1983. 25. F.N.Howes.d.w.Plants and Beekeeping.1979. 26. F.N.Howes.d.w.Plants and Beekeeping.1949? 27. O.H.Latter.Bees and Wasps. 1913. 28. W.Longgood.The Queen Must Die.Paperback.1985. 29. M.Maeterlink.The Life of the Bee. 1948. 30. H.Mace. Bees Flowers and Fruit. d.w.1949. 31. H.Mace. Some Other Bees. No date. 32. H Mace.The Complete Handbook of Beekeeping.d.w.1976. 33. H.Mace. Modern Beekeeping. 1933. 34. R.O.B.Manley.Honey Farming.d.w.1949? 35. R.O.B.Manley.Honey Farming.1946. 36. R.O.B.Manley.Beekeeping in Britain.d.w.1949. 37. R.O.B, Manley.Honey Production in the British Isles.d.w.1949? 38. O.Meyer. Microscopy on a Shoestring. 1984. 39. R.Morse and T.Hooper.The Illustrated Encylopedia of Beekeeping. d.w.1985. 40. A.I.Root.ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture.1980. 41. A.I.Root.ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture.1972. 42. J.R. Ratcliff. Bee-keepers Folly. 1949. Page 2. 43. R.Sawyer. Honey Identification. 1988. 44. A.N.Schofield.d.w.Teach Yourself Beekeeping.1943. 45. A. Scott. A Murmur of Bees. 1980. 46. F.W.L.Sladen. Queen Rearing in England.Paperback. 1982. 47. L.E. Snelgrove. Swarming:It's Control and Prevention.1939. 48. L.E. Snelgrove. The Introduction of Queen Bees.2 copies.1948. 49. L.E. Snelgrove.Queen Rearing.1966. 50. R Taylor.The Joys of Beekeeping.d.w.1974. 51. J.Tinsley.Beekeeping Up To Date. 1945. 52. K.Von Frisch.The Dancing Bees. Paperback. 1953. 53. K.Von Frisch.The Dancing Bees.d.w. 1954. 54. K.Von Frisch.Bees:Their Vision,Chemical Senses,and Language.d.w. 1983. 55. Virgil. The Eclogues:The Georgics.Paperback. 1983. 56. H.J.Wadey. The Bee Craftsman.2 copies. Paperback 1978. 56. H.J.Wadey. The Bee Craftsman. d.w. 1945. 57. H.J.Wadey. The Behavior of Bees. d.w. 1948. 58. E.B. Wedmore. A Manual of Beekeeping.1945. *** Signed by the Author to H. J. Wadey. 59. E.B. Wedmore.d.w. A Manual of Beekeeping. 1979. 60. K.Williams.The Bee Box Book.1984. Article 23371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "No Bees, No Peace" Lines: 66 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Mar 2000 22:49:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000302174900.01269.00002129@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23371 Perhaps there's some tactics here that might be useful for beekeepers here in America on Capitol Hill. I especially like the tactic of blocking roads with empty beehives. Who wants to walk up to a beehive and try to figure out if there are bees in it or not? (Except of course a beekeeper). SUNDAY TELEGRAPH(LONDON) HEADLINE: Beekeepers threaten holy war over thefts BYLINE: By Tim Gross THE humble bee has become the latest irritant in the Middle East peace negotiations as Holy Land beekeepers protest about a big increase in thefts of hives. In what is being called the Beekeepers' Revolt, Israeli apiarists have mounted noisy demonstrations at West Bank checkpoints to demand that the authorities on both sides clamp down on thefts by Palestinians. Wearing their white protective overalls, netting masks and gloves, protesters have held up placards reading, "No bees - no peace", and "Israel, land of milk and honey", with the word "honey" crossed out. They are now threatening to put a sting into their protests by releasing swarms of bees at the crossing points if their calls go unheeded. "We're talking about millions of bees worth hundreds of thousands of shekels," said one beekeeper, Levi Schneerson, who has lost half his hives in recent months. "Our livelihoods are at stake. If this goes on, I won't be able to feed my family." Beehives are not difficult to steal: they can fit easily into a car and be hidden from sight. About 2,600 of Israel's 80,000 hives were stolen last year, and 80 per cent of those ended up in the West Bank, according to Israeli officials. "There is a new mafia trade in bees," said Shachar Teneh, the head of the Israel Beekeepers' Association. The issue is particularly sensitive given the important role that bees and honey have played in Jewish history. According to the Bible, God told the Israelites that he would bring them to a land "flowing with milk and honey". Jewish tradition has it that Samson, the tribal leader responsible for defeating the Philistines, killed a lion and returned a few days later to find that a swarm of bees had settled in its mouth. His remark, "Out of the strength came forth sweetness", is still used as an idiom by many Israelis. The importance of the bee is no less symbolic for the Palestinians: a whole chapter of the Koran is devoted to the insect. "Honey is a holy product of the Holy Land," said Osman Arafat, a leading West Bank apiarist. "There is no such thing as a Palestinian or Israeli bee. They fly freely over checkpoints - linking us through nature." Israelis say that bees are not the only possessions to be purloined in the past few years since the Jewish state began handing back occupied territory. Other property - particularly cars - has been stolen, and the owners complain that Palestinian police have done little to stop the rising tide, and that, sometimes, the officers have themselves been involved. Past Palestinian-Israeli agreements are supposed to contain measures for combating crime. But Palestinian officials have said that they want fresh concessions on other fronts in return for more co-operation in this area. When beekeepers complained this month to Hekmet Zaid, the Palestinian agriculture minister, he told them that he would deal with the problem only if their authorities agreed to allow Palestinian strawberries to be sold in Israel. The Israelis say this is not possible because the Palestinians use pesticides banned in the Jewish state. Shaul Yarkoni, a 54-year-old beekeeper from a collective farm near Rehovot, south of Tel Aviv, said he hoped that others working in agriculture would join the Beekeepers' Revolt. "We're calling on the cattlemen, the chicken raisers and the orchard owners to come out with us," he said. So far, the beekeepers have blocked roads near checkpoints with burning tyres and empty beehives. But if the authorities do not act, they are threatening to bring full hives to their demonstrations, and release thousands of bees. Border guards and the many people who regularly use the crossing points shudder at the prospect. "Everyone will scatter, except us," said Mr Yarkoni. Article 23372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: jones@massed.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rendering propolis? Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:29:37 +1200 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38BE1861.204A3960@massed.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: Ie8r/MVb13gxI0OWSXX5fho33KDgv5YKFSF1ff4n3Fo= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Mar 2000 00:30:54 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23372 Is there a way for a hobbyist beekeeper to render his own collected propolis? Steve J. Article 23373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Amy Moye" Subject: WBC, National Hives Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:30:56 -0500 Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust67.tnt1.goldsboro.nc.da.uu.net 63.25.239.67 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa04 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23373 I have read about "WBC" and "National" hives on UK websites. Does anyone know where I can find a blowup or dimensions of those hives. I might want to purchase or build a few, but do not know much about them. Anyone have any experience? Pros / Cons? Article 23374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01a.news.aol.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rendering propolis? Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 03 Mar 2000 03:28:57 GMT References: <38BE1861.204A3960@massed.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000302222857.15368.00000697@ng-df1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23374 >is there a way for a hobbyist beekeeper to render his own collected >propolis? > >Steve J. Hi Steve The only way I have found is to collect clean propolis...not the stuff you scrape off your frames and boxes (these contain wood, grass etc.) You should use a propolis trap or you can make your own by using window screen. Once its full take the trap and freeze it. This will make the propolis brittle and it will fall off when you bang it. While its brittle you can use a grinder or mortar and pestle method to powder it. Then you can mix in Corn starch or carob powder to keep it that way. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Books for sale Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 03 Mar 2000 03:39:24 GMT References: <38bed6e2.27760632@news1.radix.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000302223924.15368.00000701@ng-df1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23375 >I don't see why not, just list them here. Bob Williamson might buy >them all for his town library. > >Greg the beekeep > Or since Greg is the Big Commercial Beekeep... He might want them to donate to our backward, long suffering town library. Thank you so much for your altruistic thought. lots of love;) (country bumpkin style) Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 03 Mar 2000 03:57:44 GMT References: <38bdd8ff.2130953@news.tco.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000302225744.15368.00000705@ng-df1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23376 >Robert; > >Have you looked at Andy's Book > > ( Andy Passed Away about a year ago) at > Thanks Dan My search engines never came up with that one. I started reading it and it is filled with wonderful information. Some of it leaves me with questions I wish I could ask him. I started subscribing to this newgroup about the time he passed away. Wish I could have known him. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: ddempsey@tco.net (Dan Dempsey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:39:09 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38bf3ed1.905926@news.tco.net> References: <38bdd8ff.2130953@news.tco.net> <20000302225744.15368.00000705@ng-df1.news.cs.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23377 On 03 Mar 2000 03:57:44 GMT, texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) wrote: > >My search engines never came up with that one. I started reading it and it is >filled with wonderful information. Some of it leaves me with questions I wish I >could ask him. I started subscribing to this newgroup about the time he passed >away. Wish I could have known him. Robert; Do a search on Bee-line using his name and you will have days of reading and glean a lot about bees and other things. Dan Article 23378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ab.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "stacker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie Question Regarding Package Bees Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:43:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.67.54.247 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ab.home.com 952058631 24.67.54.247 (Thu, 02 Mar 2000 20:43:51 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 20:43:51 PST Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23378 I this is my first year beekeeping on my own and I'm ordering package bees. My supplier has indicated that they can sell me 4kg packages with two queens which can be split into 2 hives. This is the first Ive heard of a 4 kg package. I have reseached the net and cant seem to find any information about splitting and hiving a single pkg into two separate hives. I am leaning toward ordering the 4kg pkgs as the cost per hive is less than the 1kg pkgs and one ends up with twice as many bees. Are there any negatives to using the larger pkgs? Does one use any special techniques to split the pkg into two hives? I would appreciate any information or insight this newsgroup can offer...Thx Article 23379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01a.news.aol.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 03 Mar 2000 04:02:05 GMT References: <20000302140835.01313.00000134@ng-fe1.aol.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000302230205.15368.00000709@ng-df1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23379 >I think if you use 5 mesh screen in the pollen trap you starve the bees >But 7 mesh lets about 1/2 get through. >Can't find where I saw it referenced but it stuck in my memory > > I've been experimenting and I've found that my reconditioned pollen traps do let about 50% through. I bought some plastic pollen trap sheets overseas and the perforations are so small the bee can barely make it through. I've decided not to use those...unless I just really have to fill a rush order. Thanks for the feedback Tom. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.110 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead hives Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:59:51 -0500 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38B41207.3678BA19@digizen.net> References: <38B34F46.8F00A631@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 951324440 66494 209.194.78.12 (23 Feb 2000 16:47:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Feb 2000 16:47:20 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23380 I also had my first starvation death this year (in a hive I thought had sufficient stores). Is it necessary to remove each dead bee from each cell... or can you put them on another colony and let them "bring out your dead" ? Chad Howell wrote: > Today I checked on my hives and found three dead ones. What is puzzling > to me is that it looks like starvation. The middle frames of two bodies > were eaten up the middle about 20 cells wide and the rest of the frame > wasn't touched along with the other 5 frames. I found bees head first in > cells. I guess my question is, can I install packages into those hives > and let them feed off the honey left in them. The honey isn't fit for > consumption due to medications given in the fall. Thanks for any > insight. Today was a very sad day for me. I mourn the loss of three fine > colonies. > Chad Howell Article 23381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38B98C6A.5379C3BB@cybertours.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:43:22 -0500 From: Midnite Bee Reply-To: midnitebee@cybertours.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EAS Message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.123 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.123 X-Trace: 27 Feb 2000 15:34:06 -0500, 209.222.109.123 Lines: 19 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.109.123 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23381 Greetings! The Presidents EAS 2000 newsletter is located here: http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/pres.eas2000.htm Other events are located here: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/events.html -- Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/ "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" Article 23382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.new-york.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: liquid smoker Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:34:51 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38B33938.C5625469@usol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23382 has anybody tried that stuff. i definitely want to try it. my family complain the shed smells like smoke, with the reg. smoker, and i have had a time finding decent fuel. i only have one hive right now, so it should last a decent time. how much does it cost, anyway? Article 23383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!news-MUC.ecrc.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paramoth and honey Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:12:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38B2F38C.3DE11750@ims.com> <20000223081037.00513.00001192@ng-cu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 951343298 nnrp-06:18071 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23383 In article <20000223081037.00513.00001192@ng-cu1.aol.com>, JMitc1014 writes > I've only just purchased it and don't know what the drawbacks, if any, are. >Any European or Canadian beekeeps out there have any comment on the use of this >product? Yes. Very happy with it. As you say, if you are an organic grower, you'll be used to it as a means of dealing with cabbage white butterfly larvae and the like. I believe the organism is from the soil. It is very easy to use. It stores well. It can be bought over here (UK) in large containers as well as small. I have had colleagues deride the use of pdcb on the grounds that even food manufacturers have stopped using it! However, if it must be used, it is volatile. I believe it is supposed to deter not kill. -- James Kilty Article 23384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B45FBC.FF1440E3@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paramoth and honey References: <38B2F38C.3DE11750@ims.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:24:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.168 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 951344675 24.92.236.168 (Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:24:35 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:24:35 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23384 I'd never use PDB with any combs of honey, even if (or especially if) they are going back to the bees later. P-U! You don't mention where you are, but if you are in a place where it is winter now, and cold outside, just stack the supers outside with a lid on top, and any holes screened against mice. That is the easiest and best protection if any honey/pollen are present. An alternative would be to store the supers, same way, in an UNheated building, such as a garage or shed, until you are ready to re-stock them in spring. Either of these situations will do away with _any_ need for moth repellents, as long as the nights remain cold, and as long as you get some bees back into the equipment before mid-Spring, when outside temperatures become balmy enough for wax moths activity. Here in NY I frequently stored brood combs outside like that, and from what I recall, wax moth damage doesn't become noticeable til mid to late May. So -- if you're in the midst of winter cold, you'll be able to have new bees installed well before wax moths get a chance to cause damage. Skip the moth crystals. Paul Petty wrote: > I've got some boxes/ frames containing some honey that I need to store > for awhile. (A couple of winter deadouts I just discovered.) I know > that parachlorodibenzyne (Paramoth) isn't supposed to get into the wax, > but what about the honey? > > Paul Article 23385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "dm" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38B33938.C5625469@usol.com> <891m5h$h61$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: liquid smoker Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:57:22 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-cb06eM6yGzC+wsGMdiZnwuQP6T+giuUIuetl9vGsVUj6w/N0kDPxDvK4G0dFgaiBGLjWjrVhZYKtjT3!LWJJKYrNs8PcZyKoYFvxOgVYnr8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:58:46 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23385 Hi Pete...Standard stuff for smokers here in Western Washington is "gunny-sacks" from the feed store....Spud sacks work alright, too, but are looser weave and burn up pretty fast. "DM" Port Angeles, WA. Article 23386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newscore.gigabell.net!news-fra.pop.de!uunet!ams.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollen question Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:06:19 -0600 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 7 Message-ID: <891p7c$9j3$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h6-46.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 951347244 9827 63.75.191.46 (23 Feb 2000 23:07:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Feb 2000 23:07:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23386 I live in central missouri, Just went out and checked on the hives , and found bees coming in loaded with pollen. What a surprise! I havent seen anything blooming yet. Maples are close. Could this be leftovers from the fall flowers? preacher Article 23387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.tli.de!newscore.gigabell.net!news-fra.pop.de!uunet!ams.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: lost queen Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:02:16 -0600 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 5 Message-ID: <891ovq$ap9$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h6-46.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 951347002 11049 63.75.191.46 (23 Feb 2000 23:03:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Feb 2000 23:03:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23387 Hey folks, I have a hive without a queen. And I want to add it to another hive with a queen. Which way do I put it on. On top or bottom . thanks. Article 23388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B44113.95C71AB5@crosslink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:20:35 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: It's started!!! References: <38b1e451.2635740@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn51.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 951354751 180 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23388 Mine too, I have two large Maples in front yard, I walked past and had to stop and look, the bee's were working them so much it sounded like a swarm. These Buckfast bee's have already exploded!! L.E.G. honeybs@radix.net wrote: > The bees were bringing in pollen today. Maple and something else, > maybe skunk cabbage. All hell is getting ready to break loose. We > can get out of the house and back to beekeeping again! > > Greg the beekeep Article 23389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38B33305.AB7F041F@usol.com> <38B43FD6.D94E6B22@crosslink.net> Subject: Re: hive is alive, hurray! what to feed? Lines: 24 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 02:37:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.53.75 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 951359845 12.72.53.75 (Thu, 24 Feb 2000 02:37:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 02:37:25 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23389 Absolutely! They will want to swarm just before the flow. If they are successful, you will have wasted some good sugar. Stimulative feeding will force you to become a better beekeeper or an annoyance to your neighbors. You call it early, I call it late. I start Feb 1, otherwise I get next to nothing from the citrus. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "L.E.G." wrote in message news:38B43FD6.D94E6B22@crosslink.net... > George, Question#1 Feeding syrup this early in the year, will it stimulate the > swarming urge? > L.E.G. > Article 23390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Question Regarding Package Bees Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:03:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <89o9mr$9ts$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.23 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 03 12:03:40 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.23 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23390 That's a lot of bees! I've never heard of that procedure but don't see any problem with just dividing the bees and introducing each queen in the usual way. But that's more bees than necessary I think. At the end of March 1999 we received a 4 pound package from Wilbanks and a 3 pound package from Andy Webb. During the first month the Wilbanks bees got right to work while the Alabama bees just sat around on the porch drinking syrup ( and telling jokes I suppose). But in September we got more honey from Webb's bees and this spring there are a lot more bees in the Alabama hive. Andy Webb 334-829-6183 Calvert Apiaries #14 Widow's Lane PO Box 36 Hwy 43 Calvert, AL 36513 Wilbanks Apiaries, Inc. PO Box 12 Claxton, GA 30417 812-739-4820 In article , "stacker" wrote: > I this is my first year beekeeping on my own and I'm ordering package bees. > My supplier has indicated that they can sell me 4kg packages with two queens > which can be split into 2 hives. This is the first Ive heard of a 4 kg > package. I have reseached the net and cant seem to find any information > about splitting and hiving a single pkg into two separate hives. I am > leaning toward ordering the 4kg pkgs as the cost per hive is less than the > 1kg pkgs and one ends up with twice as many bees. > > Are there any negatives to using the larger pkgs? Does one use any special > techniques to split the pkg into two hives? > > I would appreciate any information or insight this newsgroup can offer...Thx > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!remarQ73!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: phennessey@ncweb.com (Patrick M. Hennessey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cleaning glassware Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 02:52:40 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <38b49c84.23659005@news.ncweb.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23391 What is the best/easiest way to remove beeswax from glassware and stainless steel when they have cooled? I have a glass Dutch oven that I use to melt wax cappings with and I am looking for an easy way to clean it. I also use a few wax molds that I need to clean. Thank you for the help. Pat Article 23392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Question Regarding Package Bees Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:37:33 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <38BFC01D.DE7B3256@fuse.net> References: Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23392 Here in the U.S., the package bees are shook from a hive into the package the morning they are to be shipped. The queen is placed in a queen cage and then the cage is placed into the package. The queen cage has candy in the ends and also includes a few worker bees as attendants to the queen. The bees and the queens come from different 'hives' and are not natural. So any further splitting you would do would be just measuring and splitting the workers, then placing a queen cage into each of your new hives. Judy in Kentucky, USA stacker wrote: > I this is my first year beekeeping on my own and I'm ordering package bees. > My supplier has indicated that they can sell me 4kg packages with two queens > which can be split into 2 hives. This is the first Ive heard of a 4 kg > package. I have reseached the net and cant seem to find any information > about splitting and hiving a single pkg into two separate hives. I am > leaning toward ordering the 4kg pkgs as the cost per hive is less than the > 1kg pkgs and one ends up with twice as many bees. > > Are there any negatives to using the larger pkgs? Does one use any special > techniques to split the pkg into two hives? > > I would appreciate any information or insight this newsgroup can offer...Thx Article 23393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lost queen Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 29 Feb 2000 05:05:29 GMT References: <20000227233230.03653.00001984@ng-cs1.aol.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000229000529.12648.00000683@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23393 > If it's 2 hives you're uniting and they both have queens, put the one on >top >that you want to survive. We do this all the time during april and may with splits that just don't build up enough. Newspaper is the best idea. it keeps the bees apart long enough that they all start smelling the same and both hives usaully accept each other. During this time of year I would suggest using a mixture of syrup and vanilla extract. Pour it all over both sets of bees and let them lick each other clean. By the time the finish licking and the vanilla smell dissipates you have a single hive. Wether they accept both queens is up to the bees. If they want both they will keep them apart. (usually is the case) if not they might swarm or of course kill each other. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: liquid smoker Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 06:38:06 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 2 Message-ID: <38BA5E1C.B315A4E6@usol.com> References: <38B33938.C5625469@usol.com> <891m5h$h61$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23394 thanks for the advice! Article 23395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive is alive, hurray! what to feed? Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 06:46:36 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38BA601A.AC2C2E2E@usol.com> References: <38B33305.AB7F041F@usol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23395 sorry, i live in detroit michigan, and they had one deep body full of honey, i was able to feed all the way into november, and i did put one batch of sugar candy in the hive back in jan. they have done one hell of a spring cleaning, there is big pile of dead bees in front of the hive, havent looked in it yet. will do it tomorrow. thanks for all the groovy responses. Article 23396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Keeping in your garden Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 06:53:13 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38BA61A8.8C53CFB6@usol.com> References: <87sfl2$gd0$1@news.beeb.net> <0146ce5a.21b28076@usw-ex0110-076.remarq.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23396 i live in big city, my yard is four lots. my hive is in a cage fence, but everyone can see the hive, folks dont seem to give a rats ass, and they all love the honey i gave them. i am going to try to cover it better this year, however. Article 23397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!gw12.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jerry Ameel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Winter Hive Kill Lines: 61 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.57.61.61 X-Trace: tw12.nn.bcandid.com 951819250 209.57.61.61 (Tue, 29 Feb 2000 03:14:10 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 03:14:10 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:14:10 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23397 Good News! 27 colonies, 0 dead. With a nice break in winter and temperatures in the 50's - 70's we decided we better check our girls and throw on some feed. The day before we went out a friend of ours who manages 500+ colonies told us he experienced a 70 - 80% winter kill. Much to our surprise, all our colonies are very strong and 5 -6 that are overflowing ( good candidates for spring split) Any others in Michigan experiencing winter kills like our friend?? Jake Good-Rich Apiaries Oxford, MI www.Good-Rich.com -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ "Steve Chapin" wrote in message news:schapin-0902001443060001@h000502d05653.ne.mediaone.net... > I opened up my hive today and found that it was dead. Here is the history > of the hive: > > Hive was created from a package of Buckfast bees last April. It is > located in Northeastern MA. Initially the hive was fed with syrup and > fumadil. All summer and early fall, the hive was extremely strong. It > produced 4 supers of honey (about 125 lbs.) After I removed the supers, > the remaining two hive bodies weighed about 140 lbs. > > In the fall, after the honey was off, I used Apistan for about 45 days. > At the same time, I added a Terramycin patty. The last time I saw bee > activity was in beginning of Nov, when I removed the Apistan strips. > > I opened the hive today as it is warm (40 degrees) and found a clump of > dead bees on the top of the second hive body. I expected to find the bees > in a clump, but they seemed to be scattered over the hive. One frame had > many bees with their heads down in the comb, looking like they were eating > honey. There was still a lot of honey in that hive body, as it weighed > about 40-50 lbs. I pulled 5 frames and found much the same; lots of honey > and some bees head down in the comb. > > The lower hive body had less honey as it was mostly empty brood cells. > When I removed the top hive body, I found more dead bees on the top of the > frames. There was also a fine light colored powder. I looked much like > fine sawdust. It was the heaviest on the center frames. > > The winter here was cold, with many days below zero, with a wind. The > hive consisted of two hive bodies, an inner cover (inverted so the side > cutout acted as a vent), then a empty super with fiberglass insulation and > finally the top cover. There is an entrance reducer, 3/4 inch opening > exposed and facing upward. I never used a queen excluder on the hive. > > The bees and comb appeared to be intact, no evidence of predation. > > So, my question is, What happened?? > > Cheers > Steve Chapin Article 23398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rhfjr81@aol.com (Richard Flanagan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead Bees in Comb Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Mar 2000 23:48:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000303184821.02482.00000222@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23398 My friend recently gave me a old hive that had died out during the winter. He asked me to clean it and help catch a swarm to replish the died bees. My questio is How do I get the dead bees that are stuck in the comb?? There are over 300-400 bees in 5-6 frames with their heads stuck in the comb. All died out beacuse of lack of honey, they starved to death. I am worried about the smell of dead bees may make to hard for a swarm to enter the old hive. Any answers will be deeply appreciated. Richard Flanagan I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 23399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B68B69.6E56229@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Larvin 3.2 & bees References: <20000211194500.27087.00002910@ng-fm1.aol.com> <20000225080634.08881.00001506@ng-cg1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 67 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:02:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp08.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:02:25 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23399 I had an experience this winter with exactly that. The improper widespread aerial spraying in eastern NC this Oct to wipeout the nonexistent encephalitis epidemic 2 weeks before freezing temperatures killed the mosquitos naturally, apparently weakened very strong and well fed colonies. They had been treated (Apistan) despite minimal mite drops. I treated them because I had an impending major operation and would not be able to tend them for 4 months or so. They had Crisco patties placed as well as menthol last September. Plenty of food, pollen and honey. Honey left in accessible places in the colony. No sign of dysentery, no foulbrood, no sign of robbing, no poor condition equipment or comb, no sign of external animals, small clusters on combs that appear as if they froze to death due to too small clusters. Requeened last year from several different major breeders of different races (testing purposes). Queens in the cluster. No sign of mites on the bees. 6 colonies survived out of 20 in yards separated by 40 miles. It appeared just as a dwindling from mites but with proper treatments in colonies that have no history of resistance and near 0 mite drops when tested last week. The only thing I can conclude is that is how the pesticide spraying played itself out. The spraying was done in mid October warm sunny afternoons. Probably not a single mosquito out flying. But my bees certainly were. Thom JMitc1014 wrote: > > < sprayed, but I'm not sure if it might not be a better idea to have my bee's in > the farmer's fields.>> > > I talked to a hobbyist with one hive about a mile south of the farmer's > field where the Larvin is being sprayed. She says she used to pull as much as > 300 pounds off this one hive, but starting about three years ago, the hive > started dying off in the summertime and early fall. "The bees would just > disappear," she said. The remaining ones would crawl around and look weak. > Coincidentally, the leases on farmed fields owned by the nearby town comes > up every 5 years, and 3 years ago was about the last time all the fields had > their leases renewed, or new farmers took over. I am located in Eastern Mass. > She said the bee inspector had come out and blamed mites, saying that there > were some hives from Mexico brought into the area with some really bad mites. > Does what she describe sound like a pesticide kill? Is it possible that when > people talk about "disappearing bees" and mites, they are really encountering a > pesticide hit? > John Article 23400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C028A9.DCFB3B61@crosslink.net> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 21:03:38 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollen Substitute Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn52.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 952134912 13670 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23400 Does anyone have any info on using pollen subs... Pros and cons, favorites, ect... 4of the6 oldtimers in the area use it (and I ) and all seem to do ok..The 2 that do not use it don't talk too much, so it is hard to drag out info from them. They may use something and just don't say. Thanks, L.E.G. Article 23401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!news.trentu.ca!news From: APATRY Subject: The big move Sender: news@news.trentu.ca (News System) Message-ID: <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:57:27 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: net129-121-dyn.flemingc.on.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win95; U) Organization: Sir Sandford Fleming College Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23401 Hello again,

Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to do:

1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over them
2. close off the hive entrance

the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius.

Any other tips out there for a first time hive mover?

Thanks,

Andre
  Article 23402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Gabe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: oh well.. dead bees Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 02:57:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.17.126.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 952138674 63.17.126.77 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 02:57:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 02:57:54 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23402 Hello all. My dad tells me my bees are dead. I keep a hive at his house and could not get out there this winter. I was planning on going out this weekend but just got a call that the hive is dead. I haven't seen them yet but I am still going out to look this Sunday. My father said there are dead bees in the bottom of the hive and no life what so ever inside. I may have cuased this by accident. When medicating last fall I forgot to take out the bag of menthol (he found it inside where I placed it). Could this have caused the demise of the hive? I haven't taken it apart yet so do not know if there are dead brood in the frames or if there is any honey left in there. I will post when I find out. Also, the hive is in eastern PA and we had a pretty mild winter. Still scratching my head as to what went wrong. Not happy. Gabe Article 23403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!pao.uu.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38BAA104.D9ED0C4C@sonic.net> From: "Michael R. Cirivello" Organization: SiteRise.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FA: 1871 Beehive Patent -- not a reproduction! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 16:23:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.165.201 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 951754994 209.204.165.201 (Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:23:14 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:23:14 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23403 For Auction through Ebay: An 1871 certified copy of a beehive patent awarded to Silas Strens of Weston, OH. This is not a reproduction -- not a photocopy, but one of several certified copies made by the Patent Office at the time of issue. This piece is over 125 years old and comes mounted on archival backing, and professionally matted and ready for a 16x20 inch frame. This makes a great addition for the collector or hobbyist. For more detail, see: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270367761 -- Michael R. Cirivello cirelli@sonic.net Santa Rosa Junior College Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Librarian -- Internet Consultant-- Regular Guy Facts are simple and facts are straight. Facts are lazy and facts are late. Facts all come with points of view. Facts don't do what I want them to. --Talking Heads Crosseyed and Painless Article 23404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.sgi.net!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.124 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 16:15:27 -0500 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38BAE56E.4DEB8B78@digizen.net> References: <20000226193619.02785.00001690@ng-ft1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 951771857 19100 209.194.78.12 (28 Feb 2000 21:04:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Feb 2000 21:04:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23404 Maybe your request was too broad. I have a couple of books on making things with beeswax.... but I can't quote the entire book to you. What sort of recipe would you like? Robert Williamson wrote: > So far in the past six months I have posted numerous requests for any > information on pollen, propolis, and any recipes involving beeswax. To date I > have gotten 0 replies. You would think that with all the subscribers to this > newsgroup there would be at least one person with some useful information. > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B6A816.17B0ABEA@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The big move References: <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:57:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.131 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 951494263 24.92.236.131 (Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:57:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:57:43 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23405 APATRY wrote: > > Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to do: > 1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over them > 2. close off the hive entrance > the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius. > > Any other tips out there for a first time hive mover? Sure. Order some packages or nucs to replace the dead colonies. Well...seriously, good luck. If they end up OK it will be fortunate. Let us all know how it goes -- if it works out OK after all, it will show that bees actually can be moved that far, and that way, during the winter. On bumpy or uneven terrain, take it s l o w; also when making any sharp turns. If the hives are right up against the cab, it should protect them some, from the wind-chill. Once they are at the new location, I would let them settle down overnight, before opening the entrances. Otherwise they are likely to rush out en masse, and many of them are apt to be promptly lost and unable to make it back to the hive. Hopefully you will get good weather on moving-day, that isn't too cold. good luck with the move J. Article 23406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Sauer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The big move Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:26:20 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <38B6AD2C.9205C01E@mwci.net> References: <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23406 When you say "close off the entrances" I hope you mean with screen. Remember the bees will run out of oxygen very quickly if the entrances are closed. Chris Sauer Colesburg Apiaries www.greathoney.com APATRY wrote: > Hello again, > > Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to do: > > 1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over them > 2. close off the hive entrance > > the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius. > > Any other tips out there for a first time hive mover? > > Thanks, > > Andre > Article 23407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic frames cleaning Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Feb 2000 19:20:09 GMT References: <20000225122245.01261.00001073@ng-xe1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000225142009.01614.00000029@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23407 Did you do the matchstick test for a ropey sticky mess? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New television show/bees Lines: 63 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Mar 2000 04:49:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000303234923.03271.00000085@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23408 On Turner Broadcasting Wildlife Adventures this March.... "Pollinators in Peril" Host: Peter Fonda Birds, bees, bats and insects pollinate the food crops that keep our world thriving. Actor Peter Fonda will explore the fascinating world of these often forgotten but crucial and overlooked animals, to discover the critical role they play in keeping ourselves and our world flourishing. Should include footage and interviews with UT cherry and apple growers, WA alfalfa seed growers, NJ cranberry growers and more, with a considerable focus on native bees. — From a post on another NG. It will be interesting to see if Fonda, who did great PR for US beekeepers in "Ulee's Gold", and the producers of this program will repeat the exaggerations and mischaracterizations of that seminal document of the imperiled pollinator movement "The Forgotten Pollinators" by Gary Nabhan and Stephen Buchmann. Some points to consider (pardon my long-winded rant): > *Speculates* that honey bees may have driven some native pollinators to extinction in North America and elsewhere. Proof please? > Implies that honey bees are more inefficient than native pollinators because they groom pollen from their bodies and mix it with saliva and nectar (native pollinators like the bumblebees do this too). > Propagates the unexamined fallacy of thought that "native pollinators" in North America are native *everywhere* in North America — there are more than 55 species of bumblebees here. A “native pollinator” in the Northwest is an invasive species in the East. A farmer or gardener who buys bumblebees from a bio-supply company in Michigan may be introducing a whole new invasive species in Massachusetts. > Says beekeeping, both as a hobby and an industry, is doomed by the arrival of the Africanized honey bee. A closer examination of where the Africanized honey bee comes from (Africa and South America) shows the bees have been successfully kept and managed for generations. The beekeeping industry in those areas of the world rival US output for some products. > Recounts the plight of Australian native pollinators and blames the honey bee for outcompeting them—without mentioning that bumble bees were also imported to Australia several centuries ago. > Implies that "native pollinators" are more benign than honey bees. Bumblebees will chew out the base of a flower evolved to be pollinated by hummingbirds and other large pollinators to get at the nectar there without pollinating the flower. Honey bees won't do that. > Fearmongers about honey bees by calling the size of the foraging force "fearsome" and "overwhelming." > Says honey bees outcompete native pollinators for their own native forage. A study of beekeepers in "The Hive and the Honey Bee" (Chapter 11) shows the majority of their harvest comes from introduced plant species. > Says beekeeping, both as a hobby and an industry, is doomed by the arrival of exotic mites. Beekeepers will do what they have always successfully done: Develop new management practices with the help of USDA scientists and carry on. > Talk about the diseases and parasites of honey bees and not talk about the diseases and parasites of native pollinating insects, at least in so far as managed or kept colonies are concerned. > Concludes that because honey bees in this country may be doomed for one trumped-up reason or another, money should be redirected away from honey bee research to alternative pollinator research. Unfortunately, recent trends in the U.S. have included an embrace of an immigrant-bashing mentality (blame it on the foreigners). Sadly, this "fashion" seems to have jumped over to the world of insects with the honey bee as the latest victim. The show airs (Eastern times): Wednesday, March 21, 2000 10:05pm-11:05pm Monday, March 27, 2000 1:15am- 2:15am Thursday, March 30, 2000 2:25am- 3:25am. Article 23409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning glassware Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Feb 2000 20:58:57 GMT References: <38B672D4.D45B0A4E@visi.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000225155857.01220.00000540@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23409 I have had great luck boiling waxed up stuff in a pot of water with some washing soda added. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Books for sale Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 21:04:00 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38bed6e2.27760632@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23410 On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:00:05 -0000, "Mike Smith" wrote: >Hello Everyone > Is it kosher to post books for sale in this N.G. as an >attachment? I live in the U.K. but could post if covered in the price. > Thanks Mike Smith > > I don't see why not, just list them here. Bob Williamson might buy them all for his town library. Greg the beekeep Article 23411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B6FD81.2B773FC9@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning glassware References: <38B672D4.D45B0A4E@visi.net> <20000225155857.01220.00000540@ng-fs1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:09:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: maryview-002.option.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:09:31 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23411 Yeah but, I still never use something for wax unless it stays with a bee project. The thrift stores are too loaded with cheap stainless to bother with using a good pot, glass, bucket, what have you. Thom BeeCrofter wrote: > > I have had great luck boiling waxed up stuff in a pot of water with some > washing soda added. > > Tom > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paramoth and honey Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:26:35 -0800 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38BEDC8B.20A8DF6D@uidaho.edu> References: <38B2F38C.3DE11750@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ren49-02.labs.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 952032394 11977 129.101.6.228 (2 Mar 2000 21:26:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Mar 2000 21:26:34 GMT To: Paul Petty X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23412 I have stored boxes/frames loaded with honey in a chest freezer for up to three years. So ill effects that I can find. Just need a big empty freezer :-) Good lick matthew Paul Petty wrote: > I've got some boxes/ frames containing some honey that I need to store > for awhile. (A couple of winter deadouts I just discovered.) I know > that parachlorodibenzyne (Paramoth) isn't supposed to get into the wax, > but what about the honey? > > Paul Article 23413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I Live in Greenville, South Carolina Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Feb 2000 00:50:01 GMT References: <896viv$jto$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000225195001.01612.00000090@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23413 > >I am in Easley which is outside Greenville, South Carolina. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I Live in Greenville, South Carolina Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Feb 2000 00:53:00 GMT References: <896viv$jto$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000225195300.01612.00000093@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23414 >I am in Easley which is outside Greenville, South Carolina > > There's Rossman Apiaries they have rabetted cypress hives There's Brushy Mountan And Walter Kelley I have stuff from all three and no problems with service or anything. I think you are surrounded Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "DP" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Expanding Hives Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:18:20 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <896ikj$ef9$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> <896s7n$9qs$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23415 I totally agree, shop till ya drop. So to speak, I have found spending just a little extra can get you some higher quality wood! Article 23416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!titan.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@metalab.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Books for sale Date: 4 Mar 2000 08:17:44 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <89r2dp$sh4@titan.oit.unc.edu> References: Reply-To: adamf@metalab.unc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.oit.unc.edu X-Trace: news2.isis.unc.edu 952175866 15671 152.2.22.14 (4 Mar 2000 13:17:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news2.isis.unc.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Mar 2000 13:17:46 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23416 >On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:00:05 -0000, "Mike Smith" > wrote: > >>Hello Everyone >> Is it kosher to post books for sale in this N.G. as an >>attachment? I live in the U.K. but could post if covered in the price. >> Thanks Mike Smith Oy! Yes this newsgroup is for beekeeping, bee-culture and hive products. Books about bees certainly may be sold here. In Usenet, posting attachments is usually not well received--you could post a description of the books and then have people email you for the list, or if you have web space, throw the attached list there with a URL to it. Thanks for asking. Adam -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@metalab.unc.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees Article 23417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38B7CF37.2972A7B1@together.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:03:51 -0500 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The big move References: <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-117-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 26 Feb 2000 08:14:51 -0500, dial-117-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 20 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!news-out.digex.net.MISMATCH!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-117-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23417 I've moved many colonies into apples when it was in the 40's farenheight. Never had a problem. Never screened the entrance, and didn't loose any colonies. I always found that the bees travelled calmer if the entrances weren't screened. I would load the bees at dusk, and drive them at night. Can't really see any problems, even traveling 500 km. APATRY wrote: > Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to do: > > 1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over them > 2. close off the hive entrance > > the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius. > Andre > Article 23418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38B7D0FF.987B1604@together.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:11:27 -0500 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Expanding Hives References: <896ikj$ef9$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-117-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 26 Feb 2000 08:22:27 -0500, dial-117-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 16 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-117-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23418 Do you have a table saw? Bottoms, boxes, and covers can be made quite cheaply if you do. I just built 108 medium supers for $100. Used pine ends from a mill in the area. Bought the frames for $.52 @, plus the foundation. Outer covers cost about $3.00 because of the metal. I used aluminum flashing. A full sized hive(with 4 supers) would cost $300 if you were to buy it at catalog prices. Hard to pay for at today's honey prices. Kevin wrote: > I am entering my 2nd year with my apiary. First year went great with only > one hive. I would like to up it to two or three this year. Where is a good > source for equipment? > Kevin Article 23419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B7D28A.7C0B8530@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thombrad(spam_tastes_good)"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: mpalmer@together.net Subject: Re: The big move References: <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca> <38B7CF37.2972A7B1@together.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:18:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp24.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:18:32 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23419 I've moved bees without screening the entrance at 50 deg. F during daylight and everything went just fine. If it is cool there will be no real reason, except perhaps being very cautious, in screening the entrance as the bees won't be flying anyway. I moved them in very rural places. Michael Palmer wrote: > > I've moved many colonies into apples when it was in the 40's > farenheight. Never had a problem. Never screened the entrance, and > didn't loose any colonies. I always found that the bees travelled calmer > if the entrances weren't screened. I would load the bees at dusk, and > drive them at night. Can't really see any problems, even traveling 500 > km. > > APATRY wrote: > > > Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to do: > > > > 1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over them > > 2. close off the hive entrance > > > > the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius. > > Andre > > Article 23420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news.new-york.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The big move Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 07:27:57 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 69 Message-ID: <898kaq$7ss2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-75.nas2.lec.gblx.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF802B.0110F1E0" X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 951571610 258946 209.130.165.75 (26 Feb 2000 13:26:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2000 13:26:50 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23420 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF802B.0110F1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Load at dusk. Net the load. Travel at night.=20 --Busybee APATRY wrote in message <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca>... Hello again,=20 Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to do:=20 1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over them=20 2. close off the hive entrance=20 the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius.=20 Any other tips out there for a first time hive mover?=20 Thanks,=20 Andre=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF802B.0110F1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Hello=20 again,=20

Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to = do:=20

1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over = them
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the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius.=20

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------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF802B.0110F1E0-- Article 23421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.com!news-k12.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark G Spagnolo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carnolian Queens? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:05:53 -0600 Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Lines: 38 Message-ID: <898mk2$2j6e$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <88sdt3$orh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dulhb107-15.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 951573954 4991848 209.254.168.15 (26 Feb 2000 14:05:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2000 14:05:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23421 Carniolans were developed in cold weather areas. They are well known for their wintering ability. This is not to say they won't do well in a warm weather area, but Italians will do better in most cases! Also, I believe Carni's are more likely to swarm if not managed correctly. They need a lot of room in the Spring as their population will explode quickly. There is some evidence that Carniolans have a better resistence to mites and other diseases, but with the overwhelming number of predators, (SHB, TM resistent foulbrood, both mites, etc.), this resistence is probably too little, even if it does exist! "terry" wrote in message news:88sdt3$orh$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I am hobbiest beekeep in north GA and am interested in trying a new > breed of bee. There is an old timer in the area that says that he likes > Carnolian bees but I wonder if what he really has are Carnolians. His > bees are a very yellow and I understand that Carnolians are a darker > race. My Question: are Carnolians suited to the hot summers of GA? And > Do they have peak numbers in July when the area sourwood is in bloom? > Where is there a good source of Crnln queens in the south east? > > Any experience in these areas is GREATLY appreciated. > > > terry > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 23422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!newscon01.news.prodigy.com!news-k12.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark G Spagnolo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesquite Honey. Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:10:56 -0600 Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <898mtg$2t1a$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dulhb107-15.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 951574256 4991848 209.254.168.15 (26 Feb 2000 14:10:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2000 14:10:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23422 Mesquite and acacia trees both live in dry desert areas, but are very easy to tell apart. The Mesquite, which we called Kiawe in Hawaii, is a thorny, scraggly looking tree of medium size. The acacia, which we called a monkeypod, can be a huge towering tree. The mesquite grows in areas too dry for acacia. Mequite honey is very white. Not clear, but white. It granulates very quickly and is often seen with the consistency of butter. It has a mild flavor and sells for a good price. "Old Drone" wrote in message news:v1s2bsgq8at2jokk4viur6jkndprncr2pr@4ax.com... > Dear All, > Can anyone give me an acurate description of the colour, flavour and > properties of this honey. I need to surprise someone with "knowledge." > My books mention it but it is literally just a mention. > ASAP Please. > Thanks in advance, > Pete. Article 23423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: vasak@aol.com (Vasak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives in Shed ? Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Feb 2000 14:13:03 GMT References: <20000226005654.24201.00001993@ng-ck1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000226091303.14724.00000700@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23423 >... Can I >successfully keep a hive in a shed, so to conceal the fact that I have bees ? > >(I live in an urban area that prohibits beekeeping). Keeping bees in a shed is no problem. We started last spring with two hives in a lean-to shed with corrugated fiberglass roof that I built for that purpose. We recently split them to four hives. In front of the hives is a screen and glass fence about 40 inches high to force the foragers to fly upward more quickly than they would normally do. This is to protect children and others who might walk by. HOWEVER, in your case I agree with Barry. If your city has a law against keeping bees, then you must not do it. Far better in my opinion to learn all you can about the benefits of bees and then educate the city council. With some help from other beekeepers maybe you can get the law changed. Sincerely, Herb Campbell Article 23424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!europa.netcrusader.net!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter Feeding Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:14:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <898n4l$gqm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.28 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Feb 24 14:51:36 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.28 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23424 In article , "George Styer" wrote: > A picture is worth 1,000 words. Notice the feeder ring, a super will work > too. > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/fe eding.htm > > My wife just bought me some 2 gallon bags that are about 13 x 15 that work > great. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net A word of caution. In 1998 we tried the ziploc bag method, with one gallon bags as I recall. We had found John's beekeeping site and did it just like his pictures show. But notice all of the bees on top of the bag in one of his photos. In our case so many bees accumulated on top of the bag that their weight pushed it down and several hundred drowned. The Ziploc bag procedure seems to work for many bees, but it sure didn't work for ours. We've gone to the entrance feeders with great success, and we put in a little wintergreen oil to control the mites. Of course here in NW Florida we don't have very many days when the entrance feeders would freeze - none so far this winter! Sincerely, Herb Campbell Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carnolian Queens? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:56:22 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 46 Message-ID: <38b7e92b.165860482@news1.radix.net> References: <88sdt3$orh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <898mk2$2j6e$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p43.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23425 On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:05:53 -0600, "Mark G Spagnolo" wrote: > >Carniolans were developed in cold weather areas. They are well known for >their wintering ability. > >This is not to say they won't do well in a warm weather area, but Italians >will do better in most cases! If you have only a spring flow then the carnies are the way to go. > >Also, I believe Carni's are more likely to swarm if not managed correctly. >They need a lot of room in the Spring as their population will explode >quickly. > >There is some evidence that Carniolans have a better resistence to mites and >other diseases, but with the overwhelming number of predators, (SHB, TM >resistent foulbrood, both mites, etc.), this resistence is probably too >little, even if it does exist! > > > > >"terry" wrote in message >news:88sdt3$orh$1@nnrp1.deja.com... >> I am hobbiest beekeep in north GA and am interested in trying a new >> breed of bee. There is an old timer in the area that says that he likes >> Carnolian bees but I wonder if what he really has are Carnolians. His >> bees are a very yellow and I understand that Carnolians are a darker >> race. My Question: are Carnolians suited to the hot summers of GA? And >> Do they have peak numbers in July when the area sourwood is in bloom? >> Where is there a good source of Crnln queens in the south east? >> >> Any experience in these areas is GREATLY appreciated. >> >> >> terry >> >> >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> Before you buy. > > Article 23426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives in Shed ? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:59:34 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38b7e9c6.166015096@news1.radix.net> References: <20000226005654.24201.00001993@ng-ck1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p43.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23426 On 26 Feb 2000 05:56:54 GMT, gwongdung@aol.com (Gwongdung) wrote: >Hello. I will be new to beekeeping this spring and have a question. Can I >successfully keep a hive in a shed, so to conceal the fact that I have bees ? >(I live in an urban area that prohibits beekeeping). Perhaps I could install >a tube of PVC pipe or another material from the hive entrance to a discrete >hole outside of the shed. > >Thanks for your input. Bees under roof is not a problem. I keep several hives in a shed so that I have access to bees when it is raining etc. You can just leave the door open. They will come and go. Greg the beekeep Article 23427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jenn C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New television show/bees Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 08:38:22 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 97 Message-ID: References: <20000303234923.03271.00000085@ng-fl1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23427 The show airs (Eastern times): Wednesday, March 21, 2000 10:05pm-11:05pm Monday, March 27, 2000 1:15am- 2:15am Thursday, March 30, 2000 2:25am- 3:25am. not what you would call prime time is it??? JMitc1014 wrote in message +ADw-20000303234923.03271.00000085+AEA-ng-fl1.aol.com+AD4-... +AD4-On Turner Broadcasting Wildlife Adventures this March.... +AD4- +AD4AIg-Pollinators in Peril+ACI- +AD4- Host: Peter Fonda +AD4- Birds, bees, bats and insects pollinate the food crops that keep our world +AD4-thriving. Actor Peter Fonda will explore the fascinating world of these often +AD4-forgotten but crucial and overlooked animals, to discover the critical role +AD4-they play in keeping ourselves and our world flourishing. Should include +AD4-footage and interviews with UT cherry and apple growers, WA alfalfa seed +AD4-growers, NJ cranberry growers and more, with a considerable focus on native +AD4-bees. +AD4- From a post on another NG. +AD4- It will be interesting to see if Fonda, who did great PR for US beekeepers +AD4-in +ACI-Ulee's Gold+ACI-, and the producers of this program will repeat the +AD4-exaggerations and mischaracterizations of that seminal document of the +AD4-imperiled pollinator movement +ACI-The Forgotten Pollinators+ACI- by Gary Nabhan and +AD4-Stephen Buchmann. Some points to consider (pardon my long-winded rant): +AD4- +AD4- +ACo-Speculates+ACo- that honey bees may have driven some native pollinators to +AD4-extinction in North America and elsewhere. Proof please? +AD4- +AD4- Implies that honey bees are more inefficient than native pollinators +AD4-because they groom pollen from their bodies and mix it with saliva and nectar +AD4-(native pollinators like the bumblebees do this too). +AD4- +AD4- Propagates the unexamined fallacy of thought that +ACI-native pollinators+ACI- in +AD4-North America are native +ACo-everywhere+ACo- in North America there are more than 55 +AD4-species of bumblebees here. A native pollinator in the Northwest is an +AD4-invasive species in the East. A farmer or gardener who buys bumblebees from a +AD4-bio-supply company in Michigan may be introducing a whole new invasive species +AD4-in Massachusetts. +AD4- +AD4- Says beekeeping, both as a hobby and an industry, is doomed by the arrival +AD4-of the Africanized honey bee. A closer examination of where the Africanized +AD4-honey bee comes from (Africa and South America) shows the bees have been +AD4-successfully kept and managed for generations. The beekeeping industry in those +AD4-areas of the world rival US output for some products. +AD4- +AD4- Recounts the plight of Australian native pollinators and blames the honey +AD4-bee for outcompeting themwithout mentioning that bumble bees were also +AD4-imported to Australia several centuries ago. +AD4- +AD4- Implies that +ACI-native pollinators+ACI- are more benign than honey bees. +AD4-Bumblebees will chew out the base of a flower evolved to be pollinated by +AD4-hummingbirds and other large pollinators to get at the nectar there without +AD4-pollinating the flower. Honey bees won't do that. +AD4- +AD4- Fearmongers about honey bees by calling the size of the foraging force +AD4AIg-fearsome+ACI- and +ACI-overwhelming.+ACI- +AD4- +AD4- Says honey bees outcompete native pollinators for their own native forage. +AD4-A study of beekeepers in +ACI-The Hive and the Honey Bee+ACI- (Chapter 11) shows the +AD4-majority of their harvest comes from introduced plant species. +AD4- +AD4- Says beekeeping, both as a hobby and an industry, is doomed by the arrival +AD4-of exotic mites. Beekeepers will do what they have always successfully done: +AD4-Develop new management practices with the help of USDA scientists and carry on. +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- Talk about the diseases and parasites of honey bees and not talk about the +AD4-diseases and parasites of native pollinating insects, at least in so far as +AD4-managed or kept colonies are concerned. +AD4- +AD4- Concludes that because honey bees in this country may be doomed for one +AD4-trumped-up reason or another, money should be redirected away from honey bee +AD4-research to alternative pollinator research. +AD4- Unfortunately, recent trends in the U.S. have included an embrace of an +AD4-immigrant-bashing mentality (blame it on the foreigners). Sadly, this +ACI-fashion+ACI- +AD4-seems to have jumped over to the world of insects with the honey bee as the +AD4-latest victim. +AD4- The show airs (Eastern times): +AD4-Wednesday, March 21, 2000 10:05pm-11:05pm +AD4- Monday, March 27, 2000 1:15am- 2:15am +AD4- Thursday, March 30, 2000 2:25am- 3:25am. Article 23428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aangeboden Message-ID: References: <898tpf$4dvdd$1@reader2.wxs.nl> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 951583895 216.100.16.37 (Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:51:35 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:51:35 MST Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:51:35 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23428 zoot soot dood In article <898tpf$4dvdd$1@reader2.wxs.nl>, bramborg@planet.nl says... > Ter overname aangeboden bijenstal met vijf gezonde volken in de omgeving van > Groot-Ammers. Met mogelijkheid opslag materialen en reserve delen. Verder > een grote hoeveelheid reservedelen voor kasten, honingslinger, > zonnewassmelter etc, etc. Bram Borg e-mail: bramborg@planet.nl > > > Article 23429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C11926.22A10F70@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Question Regarding Package Bees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 13:58:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.144.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 952178281 24.112.144.102 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 05:58:01 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 05:58:01 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23429 Stacker, I am a total newbie here as well, but I can relate what I have been told. A supplier near me in Ontario - F.W.Jones in Toronto, sells 4lb.(pound) packages with two queens. Most of the other retailers sell 3lb. packages with one queen. When I asked some experienced beekeepers if splitting them into smaller hives would cause much of a problem, the consensus was that there would be no problem whatsoever. Just split them into two hives and introduce the queens accordingly. I was going to go this route myself, but managed to find a guy that sells entire hives - woodenware and everything - for almost the same money as the above mentioned 4lb. packages. Good luck with whatever you chose. Yours, Glen Archer - Ontario, Canada. stacker wrote: > > I this is my first year beekeeping on my own and I'm ordering package bees. > My supplier has indicated that they can sell me 4kg packages with two queens > which can be split into 2 hives. This is the first Ive heard of a 4 kg > package. I have reseached the net and cant seem to find any information > about splitting and hiving a single pkg into two separate hives. I am > leaning toward ordering the 4kg pkgs as the cost per hive is less than the > 1kg pkgs and one ends up with twice as many bees. > > Are there any negatives to using the larger pkgs? Does one use any special > techniques to split the pkg into two hives? > > I would appreciate any information or insight this newsgroup can offer...Thx Article 23430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Terry Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carnolian Queens? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 17:21:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <89922h$nqe$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <88sdt3$orh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <898mk2$2j6e$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <38b7e92b.165860482@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.199.169 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Feb 26 17:21:24 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; CS 2000; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.199.169 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtlawrenceault Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23430 In article <38b7e92b.165860482@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net wrote: > On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:05:53 -0600, "Mark G Spagnolo" > wrote: > > > > >Carniolans were developed in cold weather areas. They are well known for > >their wintering ability. > > > >This is not to say they won't do well in a warm weather area, but Italians > >will do better in most cases! > > If you have only a spring flow then the carnies are the way to go. > For my purposes, only the sourwood flow which is in July/August is desirable. Terry Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Freddie Cooke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is there a UK newsgroup. Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 14:16:42 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 5 Message-ID: <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-62.titanium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 952179792 3131 62.136.21.62 (4 Mar 2000 14:23:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Mar 2000 14:23:12 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23431 I keep bees in Shropshire in the UK and as much as I like to read about the activities of beekeepers world-wide I would like to have access to a UK based group. Does anyone know of one please? Article 23432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Nelsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Friday Forecast Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 10:42:29 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8996so$1lh$1@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net> References: <88jooi$6ha$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.d1.3b X-Server-Date: 26 Feb 2000 18:43:36 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23432 Sorry about that post, it proves that a meteorologist can't handle reading a newsgroup and sending a forecast at the same time! Mark N. Mark Nelsen wrote in message news:88jooi$6ha$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net... > Today: > Sunny...Still Smoggy > High: 54 Light Wind > > Tonight: > Clear & Cool > Low: 32 in City, 25-30 outlying areas > > Tomorrow: > Sunny...No Haze...Warmer/Windy > High: 60 Wind: E 15-30 & Gusty > > > Friday: --/54 Sunny > Saturday: 32/60 Sunny > Sunday: 34/56 Partly Cloudy > Monday: 42/52 Showers (use sun w/shower) > Tuesday: 39/51 Rainy > > Article 23433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Question Regarding Package Bees Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Mar 2000 14:45:20 GMT References: <38C11926.22A10F70@home.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000304094520.03548.00000255@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23433 It is reccomended that new beekeepers start with packages because they generally lack the experiance to inspect comb for disease signs. If you have a trusted mentor who will inspect an existing hive for you then by all means go for the bargain. Otherwise start on new equipment from a package. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!tribune.oar.net!not-for-mail From: "nwolfe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:11:30 -0500 Organization: OARnet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: www.agmc.org X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23434 My first year as a beekeeper was rough. Only 2 of the seven hives I had going into the winter (NE, Ohio) survived. I put Apistan on all my hives on a warm day in the late fall (Nov 1). The one at a second apiary clearly starved, as I found no honey and lots of dead bees in the cells. the other 2 at this location survived The other 4 dead hives, at my home apiary, had plenty of honey in them when I checked them this past weekend. There were only a few dead bees were inside and plenty dead ones on the ground. It was as if they died one by one and the workers threw them out. What happened. Did the queens die? Pesticides? Disease? Any Ideas. Would somebody tell me where I can get a half dozen packages of bees at a fair price, before the worms set in? What is the best way to split out the 2 hives I have remaining? Article 23435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: "Jim Small" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screen bottoms and Fire Ants Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:35:03 -0800 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <89jdg4$7uf$1@ins21.netins.net> References: <38bc818e_2@news3.paonline.com> <20000229214549.08208.00000439@nso-ca.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ur146.mebbs.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23435 > I am learning what kind of fire ant poision I can put out and kill the ants > with little harm to the bees, but I haven't found the right product yet. Many years ago there was a product called Cyn-o-gas that worked wonders. It was pelletized and released a heavy gas so putting it on the ground eliminated burrowing life. I have not seen it for a very long time and guess that it was removed from the market. Article 23436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The big move Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:33:49 -0800 (PST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <9983-38B838AD-9@storefull-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <898kaq$7ss2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQWYPi55r+BYF1a+DTHEvRSJ+GZdgIUAiPVFsLPOYTWez3J3Zuir+2Ihbg= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23436 Should be no problem as long as bees can breathe. Migratory almond pollinators move hives from Northern Oregon to Northern California in January without much trouble. It is about 400-500 miles. To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 23437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mark Jensen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic frames cleaning Organization: No Junk Mail Reply-To: mejensen@att.net Message-ID: References: <38b6971a.134113999@news.direct.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:25:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.193.72 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 951607543 12.72.193.72 (Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:25:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:25:43 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23437 My bees tell me ^ngravel@direct.ca^ (Normand) wrote: >Should I try to clean them better (Please tell me how)? I have cleaned such frames by warming them and scraping them down to the mid-rib. Then spraying them with a steam cleaner to get most of the debris out. Followed by a bleach soak to add a little insurance against the possibility of AFB. They are advertised as reusable, so why should we throw them away when they get ugly? Article 23438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B865A7.393B6687@telusplanet.net> From: Tim Townsend Organization: TPLR Honey Farms X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic frames cleaning References: <38b6971a.134113999@news.direct.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:27:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.209.185 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 951607654 161.184.209.185 (Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:27:34 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:27:34 MST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23438 Normand wrote: > Hi you all. I inherited old plastic frames ravaged by waxmoths (all > dead frozen here in Canada) lots of the cells are deformed or > covered with mold because there was honey that got uncapped by wasps > and there was pollen which is wasted. > Normand: If you have already scrapped them down to the midrib, and are concerned about the wax and propolis in the bottom of the cell. Just check with a nail to see if it's loose of hard, if loose don't worry about it, the bee's will clean it up better than you could do. If it's hard you can try washing them down with some warm water, not boiling, too hot a water will make pretzels out of your frames. Just use a stiff bristle brush. If they are inherited, you probably aren't sure if they are disease free. If that is the case make sure you treat with TM when you put the frames on the hives, just pay attention to the frames and the bees. Article 23439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jhdavila Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: find where to buy queens in Mexico Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:43:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <899oek$6lh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <88pe41$nsh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <88u1is$b7q$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.235.8.201 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Feb 26 23:43:17 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 148.235.8.201 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjhdavila Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23439 Thanks for your info Adam I find one place on that pages to buy frames. Javier Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C144C4.5D4805F0@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WBC, National Hives References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 17:08:40