Article 28681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Lawrence Freeman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Few bees question. Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 07:43:10 +0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A9DFD8E.DA0128AC@2530.net> Reply-To: lawrence.freeman@2530.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20010219230927.02938.00001829@ng-fy1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28681 Blue Taz37 wrote: > > Why are the bees are Black in Winter than in the Summer? Does this mean Black > tail bees live longer during the Winter than light Three band? Was some of it > are the same one which staying in the hive long in the dark place with out Sun > which might cause the tail black? > Last Fall there were alot of nice looking one and this coming Feb. there was > alots of ugly Black Tails Bees. ( Are mean too ) > > One fellow said he check his hive this week and one of it empty. The bees are > gone and there were alot of it worker die inside the comb about 5" circle head > first. But, still have plenty of honey and pollen. ( cold spell ? ) > Tim Head in the comb normally indicates starvation! -- Kind regards Lawrence Freeman ----------------------------------------------------------------- Lawrence Freeman - Senior Manager, Hosting & Application Services e-Net Software - http://www.enetgroup.co.uk Tel:- +44-1225-484449 Fax:- +44-1225-484944 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Article 28682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!uni-erlangen.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Beatles Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:06:28 -0500 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <97lohm$pnahc$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983459191 26978860 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28682 I have a delicate question that I would like to query all. I have recently placed an order for bees in the mid part of Alabama. Before I ordered them I asked if there were any problems with Hive Beatles and was told not yet. Well, I spoke with some folks who told me that if I ordered them that I might as well have the Bee inspector standing by as they didn't think I should do so. I guess at this point I was being made feel like if I bought them in I was going to be the ass end of a jackass. Well, to make a story longer, the person I purchased them from has already charged them to my VISA and I won't see the bees until April sometime. I particularly don't want to hear I told you so and be blamed for infesting the area with beetles. So the question is... what chances are there that I will get a package for of beetles?? If the they were shipped with Checkmite+ I would expect less chance of getting them however, what real effect will a strip have on a package during the short period they are packaged? -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html Article 28683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!not-for-mail From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building Boxes Date: 1 Mar 2001 21:59:10 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 32 Sender: verified_for_usenet@cornell.edu (jwg6 on syr-24-95-169-25.twcny.rr.com) Message-ID: <97mgne$3d3$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: syr-24-95-169-25.twcny.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 983483950 3491 24.95.169.25 (1 Mar 2001 21:59:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Mar 2001 21:59:10 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28683 You're correct, in that there is too much depth to the boxes, as compared to the frames. The actual dimensions do vary, however, from lot to lot, and from mfr. to mfr. You could rip just over an eighth of an inch off the _bottom_ of the boxes on a table saw, if you want. I've often done this, when there was considerably more than 1/8" space below the frames. (Technically, the bee space should be mainly above the frames when they are in place.) Not sure why this discrepancy is perpetuated, but perhaps it has something to do with the wood in the frames expanding. In article <3A9EC5E8.1D66DA53@coldspring.com>, you say... > >I am building some deep (9 5/8") supers. However, I note >that the frames, including the bar, are 9 1/8", thus leaving >1/2" (4/8") for vertical beespace. Now, my researches indicate >that if beespace is less than 1/4", the bees will propolize it, >and if more than 1/4", they will fill it with comb. Hanging the >frame at a midpoint in the box, so as to leave 1/4" beespace on >top of the frame and 1/4" below the frame seems to be a solution >which provides the required beespace at both top and bottom -- >and it is -- but only if the supers are not stacked. When they >are stacked the 1/4" space at the top of the bottom super combines >with the 1/4" space at the bottom of the top super to give an >unacceptable 1/2". > >So my stupid questions are: Why isn't 9 3/8" the proper height >for a super? Or, if we leave the super the same size, why not >enlarge the frame to 9 3/8"? Boxes could then be stacked without >violating beespace. Article 28684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new listing Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:57:06 -0500 Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.34 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.34 Message-ID: <3a9eb79f_1@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 1 Mar 2001 15:57:03 -0500, 64.208.65.34 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.65.34 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28684 Greetings! Market Intelligence for the World's Agriculture Industry http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/marketreport.htm Regards, Herb/Norma Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Betty's Driftwood Santa Site http://pages.ivillage.com/santasite/index.html Article 28685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Beatles Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 19:01:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3a9e9ba8.439295885@news1.radix.net> References: <97lohm$pnahc$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28685 On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:06:28 -0500, "BeeFarmer" wrote: >I have a delicate question that I would like to query all. I have recently >placed an order for bees in the mid part of Alabama. Before I ordered them >I asked if there were any problems with Hive Beatles and was told not yet. >Well, I spoke with some folks who told me that if I ordered them that I >might as well have the Bee inspector standing by as they didn't think I >should do so. I guess at this point I was being made feel like if I bought >them in I was going to be the ass end of a jackass. Well, to make a story >longer, the person I purchased them from has already charged them to my VISA >and I won't see the bees until April sometime. > >I particularly don't want to hear I told you so and be blamed for infesting >the area with beetles. So the question is... what chances are there that I >will get a package for of beetles?? If the they were shipped with >Checkmite+ I would expect less chance of getting them however, what real >effect will a strip have on a package during the short period they are >packaged? > >-- >BeeFarmer >BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com >http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html This is just a followup question. If hive beetles are shipped in a package will they be in the cluster of bees or will they be scurrying around in the package among the dead bees? beekeep Article 28686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: Beeginner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Building Boxes Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 13:58:00 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3A9EC5E8.1D66DA53@coldspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.35.ec.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 1 Mar 2001 21:46:23 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28686 I am building some deep (9 5/8") supers. However, I note that the frames, including the bar, are 9 1/8", thus leaving 1/2" (4/8") for vertical beespace. Now, my researches indicate that if beespace is less than 1/4", the bees will propolize it, and if more than 1/4", they will fill it with comb. Hanging the frame at a midpoint in the box, so as to leave 1/4" beespace on top of the frame and 1/4" below the frame seems to be a solution which provides the required beespace at both top and bottom -- and it is -- but only if the supers are not stacked. When they are stacked the 1/4" space at the top of the bottom super combines with the 1/4" space at the bottom of the top super to give an unacceptable 1/2". So my stupid questions are: Why isn't 9 3/8" the proper height for a super? Or, if we leave the super the same size, why not enlarge the frame to 9 3/8"? Boxes could then be stacked without violating beespace. Article 28687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building Boxes Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 23:35:29 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3a9edc56.455853635@news1.radix.net> References: <3A9EC5E8.1D66DA53@coldspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28687 On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 13:58:00 -0800, Beeginner wrote: >I am building some deep (9 5/8") supers. However, I note >that the frames, including the bar, are 9 1/8", thus leaving >1/2" (4/8") for vertical beespace. Now, my researches indicate >that if beespace is less than 1/4", the bees will propolize it, >and if more than 1/4", they will fill it with comb. Hanging the >frame at a midpoint in the box, so as to leave 1/4" beespace on >top of the frame and 1/4" below the frame seems to be a solution >which provides the required beespace at both top and bottom -- >and it is -- but only if the supers are not stacked. When they >are stacked the 1/4" space at the top of the bottom super combines >with the 1/4" space at the bottom of the top super to give an >unacceptable 1/2". > >So my stupid questions are: Why isn't 9 3/8" the proper height >for a super? Or, if we leave the super the same size, why not >enlarge the frame to 9 3/8"? Boxes could then be stacked without >violating beespace. Because it is a lot easier to break burr comb than propolis. Shave an 1/8 inch off a super and leave it on a hive for awhile. beekeep Article 28688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 23 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: morristh@aol.com (MORRISTH) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Mar 2001 03:02:55 GMT References: <95ekgq$gqaub$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Message-ID: <20010301220255.04229.00000119@ng-mg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28688 >Of course I believe the least expensive insurance against >> anaphylactic shock is to get plenty of bee stings I can not speak for Bee Stings--at least not yet--Ive had two so far both of what I would term "normal" in that I was sore for about 4 hrs, then really sore for another 4, then ichy for the next day. The swelling was moderate on the arm--the finger sting was a tad worse in that the swelling which lasted a day made it so that my hand was difficult to close fully. However let us digress for a min into the area of seafood. I am deathly allergic to shrimp--so much so that the smell of it cooking will send me into shock. Now as a child I ate shrimp several times with no reaction, then with a mild reaction and finally with a serious reaction that actually resulted in hospitalization. Now I am NOT saying beestings work the same way or dont work that way. But I am saying that it may be that for some people, the "many sting" theory may cause the problem. I for one prefer NOT to get stung and will wear the appropriate clothing etc to minimize this. I realize that gloves for some are clumsy-but then again I live in gloves, so Im used to working with them on. TIM MORRIS Article 28689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 21 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: morristh@aol.com (MORRISTH) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Mar 2001 01:54:11 GMT References: <3A945D85.3F16944C@bellsouth.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: What is the best Breed? Message-ID: <20010301205411.04332.00000086@ng-mg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28689 >I would like to know what is the best breed of HoneyBee, for living in >central Florida. Dave, I too am new to beekeeping having gotten my first hive the day after Thanksgiving of 2000 and my second hive about 3 weeks later. What I can tell you so far about Breeds is this--ask 3 different beekeepers ANY question and you will get 5 different answers :O) Seriously though-get a good book and read about the differences in the various strains of bees, then choose the one that seems to best suit your own tastes. I have had the Italians suggested to me by many because they are "more gentle" and "less likely to swarm". We shall see. In any case--WELCOME to beekeeping. TIM MORRIS Article 28690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Mar 2001 13:12:03 GMT References: <20010301220255.04229.00000119@ng-mg1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Message-ID: <20010302081203.13562.00000045@nso-fm.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28690 In article <20010301220255.04229.00000119@ng-mg1.aol.com>, morristh@aol.com (MORRISTH) writes: > >>Of course I believe the least expensive insurance against >>> anaphylactic shock is to get plenty of bee stings > > This certainly is not backed by any medical research findings, and it most certainly didnt work for Karl von Frisch, one of the great bee scientists of this century. Bob Pursley Article 28691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building Boxes Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 12:34:11 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3A9FF5B2.5A3979B4@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <3A9EC5E8.1D66DA53@coldspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28691 My view - from over 30 years of handling bee equipment around the bee lab - is that maintaining the bee space has almost become a lost art. Wet (green) lumber has something to do with it, but many hives are manufactured with strange dimensions inside. Differing rabbets, frames, etc. also may change the situation. Beeginner wrote: > I am building some deep (9 5/8") supers. However, I note > that the frames, including the bar, are 9 1/8", thus leaving > 1/2" (4/8") for vertical beespace. Now, my researches indicate > that if beespace is less than 1/4", the bees will propolize it, > and if more than 1/4", they will fill it with comb. Hanging the > frame at a midpoint in the box, so as to leave 1/4" beespace on > top of the frame and 1/4" below the frame seems to be a solution > which provides the required beespace at both top and bottom -- > and it is -- but only if the supers are not stacked. When they > are stacked the 1/4" space at the top of the bottom super combines > with the 1/4" space at the bottom of the top super to give an > unacceptable 1/2". > > So my stupid questions are: Why isn't 9 3/8" the proper height > for a super? Or, if we leave the super the same size, why not > enlarge the frame to 9 3/8"? Boxes could then be stacked without > violating beespace. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 28692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsone.net!newsone.net!not-for-mail From: paulp@nospam_ims.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nutrition Label Stickers Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 2 Mar 2001 21:14:06 GMT Organization: NewsOne.Net - Free Usenet News via the Web - http://newsone.net/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: <97p2eu$as4$1@news.netmar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.netmar.com X-Trace: news.netmar.com 983567646 11140 205.139.138.14 (2 Mar 2001 21:14:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsone.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Mar 2001 21:14:06 GMT X-PNG: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-NewsOnePostHost: proxy.ims.com X-NewsOnePostAddr: 139.47.48.69 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28692 I'd like to avoid re-inventing the wheel. Can someone direct me to a supplier of stickers with the nutrition information for honey, made up according to the U.S. standards? I'd like it if I can purchase in quantities less than 1000. (100's would be great.) Thanks, Paul ----- Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web ----- http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net Article 28693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: andrew.mcmanus@zbee.com (Andrew Mcmanus) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thymol and Mites Message-ID: <983572624@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:46:14 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/197 b5b0f200 REPLY: 240:44/0 5cb4d165 PID: FDAPX/w 1.15 UnReg X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 57 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: 983575120 peer2.news.dircon.net 18119 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28693 I first heard of thymol in an article on preserving sugar syrup from fermenting in the days when UK commercial beekeepers could buy bulk sugar on the world market. A small amount was added per 100 gallon bulk tank to prevent fermentation in the months before the syrup was used. Last year there was a new product on the market in the U.K. - a "non theraputic curative substance" whose name escapes me . It is a sort of wallpaper paste type jelly with thymol used as an 'alternative (soft chemical) therapy' for varroa and acarine. Does it work - I dont know ? They got round the medicines registration regulations through the "non-therapeutic curative substance" loop-hole. Some beekeepers are using a vegetable oil (margarine) thymol and icing sugar patty reicpe, also against varroa. I would love to see proper trial reports on both. Andrew T> Lines: 10 T> X-Admin: news@cs.com T> XRef: zbee.com sci.agriculture.beekeeping:5001 T> From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) T> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping T> Date: 23 Feb 2001 03:21:51 GMT T> References: T> <20010222195722.00597.00000125@nso-fy.aol.com> T> Organization: CompuServe T> (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Thymol T> and Mites T> Message-ID: T> <20010222222151.10184.00000256@ng-fg1.news.cs.com> T> Path: T> newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news T> .dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!diablo.netcom.net T> .uk!netcom.net.uk!news.tele.dk!144.212.100.101!news T> feed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.ne T> ws.cs.com!not-for-mail T> Wow... And they flavor foods with this stuff. So is T> a danger of honey contamintaion with thymol?. The T> packaging says that it can be used a a syrup feed T> for curing chalkbrood. T> Robert Williamson T> Southeast Texas Honey Co. T> P.O. Box 176 T> Vidor, Tx. 77670 T> " A simple and independent mind does not toil at T> the bidding of any prince" --- Platinum T> Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5 --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/197) Article 28694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.48.40.11!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AA02A52.C03B23C0@mail.tqci.net> From: Christopher Drazba X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nutrition Label Stickers References: <97p2eu$as4$1@news.netmar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:18:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.244.8.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net 983575112 64.244.8.120 (Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:18:32 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:18:32 EST Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28694 Both Kelley and Dadant carry them in lots of 100 (others may carry them too, I just had their catalogs on hand). Walter T. Kelley Co., Inc. 1-800-233-2899 Dadant & Sons, Inc. 1-800-637-7468 Chris Drazba paulp@nospam_ims.com wrote: > I'd like to avoid re-inventing the wheel. Can someone > direct me to a supplier of stickers with the nutrition > information for honey, made up according to the U.S. > standards? I'd like it if I can purchase in quantities > less than 1000. (100's would be great.) > > Thanks, > Paul > > ----- Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web ----- > http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups > NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts > made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net Article 28695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: andrew.mcmanus@zbee.com (Andrew Mcmanus) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Changing Brood Combs Message-ID: <983572621@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:02:18 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/197 b5aef9b5 REPLY: 240:44/0 6095c876 PID: FDAPX/w 1.15 UnReg A> From: "David Eyre" A> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping A> Subject: Re: Changing Brood Combs A> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:09:50 -0500 A> Organization: Posted via Supernews, A> http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: A> A> References: A> A> X-Priority: 3 A> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal A> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express A> 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft A> MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: A> newsabuse@supernews.com A> XRef: zbee.com sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4988 A> Lines: 43 A> Path: A> newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news A> .dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!diablo.netcom.net A> .uk!netcom.net.uk!newsfeed.icl.net!news.maxwell.syr A> .edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit A> -04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not A> -for-mail X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 62 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: 983575099 peer2.news.dircon.net 18119 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28695 A> It's always a problem to change over to new frames, A> which one first? To place a new box of foundation A> on top without a care means it will become another A> honey super, not what you need! You'll need to put A> the new box on top, but get the bees up there A> really quickly and working the foundation. A> I would recommend you bring up old frames preferably sealed brood and A> interleave them with the new foundation, avoid two A> foundations together. Does this no split the brood nest and also risk chilled brood ? A> As the frames become drawn A> out and filled, then you can start shuffling them A> back into the formation you need. Always feed when A> adding foundation. A> A couple of points. You are likely to find an increase in your hive A> size, then you'll ultimately compress them as you A> pull the old box out, beware of swarming! You'll A> also have to keep the queen out of the old box, A> otherwise you'll never get all the brood emerged, A> as it is you'll find lots of stores down there. A> A better idea. Why not add a second deep box this year, when full A> extract, then you'll have a complete box of drawn A> frames for next year, and life will be a great deal A> easier. This bit is a great idea - the bees move up into a box of clean drawn comb much easier than into a box of foundation. A> Regards Dave....-- A> ******************************************** A> The Bee Works, A> 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, A> Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 A> 705 326 7171 A> http://www.beeworks.com A> *************************************** >> With three of my hives this year I want to replace >> all the brood combs and boxes. I believe I know how >> to do this but could do with any comments/guidance >> people could offer. >> >> I understand that I should put the new box with >> frames and new foundation, on top of the old box, >> without foundation and then feed rapidly to provide >> enough food for wax building. From what I have been >> told the bees should build up the foundation and the >> queen will then migrate into the top box. Once this >> happens I can remove the lower box, shake out all >> the bees into the new box and discrad the old >> frames. >> >> Does this sound correct? >> Is there any guidance as to WHEN to remove the old >> box? My concern is that I would expect them to start >> storing honey in the new brood box, not start laying >> in it. --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/197) Article 28696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: andrew.mcmanus@zbee.com (Andrew Mcmanus) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Changing Brood Combs Message-ID: <983572620@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:48:10 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/197 b5aec4b4 REPLY: 240:44/0 d05d77b6 PID: FDAPX/w 1.15 UnReg X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 127 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: 983575092 peer2.news.dircon.net 18119 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28696 Regular transfer to clean comb (TTCC) is a great idea for hobbiest beekeepers. John Powell of Twickenham and Thames Valley Beekeepers and of Reigate Division - Surrey Beekeepers Association , , and now on the Education Board of the BBKA is a great advocate of this tecnique. At Kingston Division we used to have lots of Chalk brood and sac brood diseases until I started regular transfer to clean comb every spring. Now chalk brood is unheard of and sac brood is very rare. Nosema can be kept in check with Fumadil B antibiotic, but will re-infect as the brood nest expands into contamitated combs, so soiled combs are replaced or disinfected by fumigating with 80% acetic acid. I like to over-winter my colonies on a single deep box with 40lb of stores. this makes TTCC much easier in the following spring. - Adding a third box (of foundation) to a double brood colony in the spring is a lost cause as the bees stay where they are or use the new box for honey storage. A single brood box colony is desperate to expand (into the foundation box) in the spring and a good feed of sugar syrup gives them the 'honey flow' they need to draw out the foundation. When a colony has overwintered on two boxes I will reduce them to one box on a warm day in late Feb or early March before the brood has begun to expand again. Usually the cluster is all in the top box and I can simply remove the bottom box and move any stores combs upstairs beside the cluster without disturbing them. Timing is crucial. Then the rest is simple: Add a whole box of foundation on top as soon as the weather warms up in spring - usually March/early April; and feed with a contact (bucket) feeder. As soon as eggs and the queen is seen upstairs a queen excluder is used to keep her out of the old comb for three weeks when the whole bottom box of old comb is removed. Three weeks allows all the worker brood to emerge. The danger here is the colony could starve if there is not enough stores in the upper chamber - feed or add combs of stores if needed. Remember the QX will trap drones so don't leave it on longer then you have to. As I run my bees on two deep brood boxes for the early summer, I usually add a second box of foundation soon after there is brood in 7-8 frames of the first new box. Also, I try to have the first first or second super as a deep box of foundation. This gives me a whole box of clean drawn comb which I use instead of foundation the following spring. The only problem is the massive weight when full of honey. All the old comb is cut out and melted down in a solar was extractor. I intended to build my own but gave up and bought one from Stamfordham after eight years of unrealised good intentions. I hate cleaning old frames by hand so now boil them up with autometic washing powder or washing soda in an old "Burko boiler" - about 10 minutes per 11 frames! The clean wax from the solar extractor is traded in for new wired foundation and the surplus used for polish and candle making. This keeps the time involved and cost of all that new foundation to a minamum. Any yellow combs removed can be fumigated with 80% acetic acid, aired well and replaced as clean comb. I use Transfer to clean comb as a treatment for Nosema together with Fumidil-B in the feed. Fumidil on its own only gives temporary relief - a cure requires TTCC as well. All the best, Andrew McManus S> From: Steven Newport S> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping S> Subject: Changing Brood Combs S> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:44:57 +0000 S> Organization: Posted via Supernews, S> http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: S> S> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 S> MIME-Version: 1.0 S> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii S> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit S> X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk S> XRef: zbee.com sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4986 S> Lines: 22 S> Path: S> newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news S> .dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!diablo.netcom.net S> .uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-u S> k-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for- S> mail S> With three of my hives this year I want to replace S> all the brood combs and boxes. I believe I know how S> to do this but could do with any comments/guidance S> people could offer. S> I understand that I should put the new box with S> frames and new foundation, on top of the old box, S> without foundation and then feed rapidly to provide S> enough food for wax building. From what I have been S> told the bees should build up the foundation and S> the queen will then migrate into the top box. Once S> this happens I can remove the lower box, shake out S> all the bees into the new box and discrad the old S> frames. S> Does this sound correct? S> Is there any guidance as to WHEN to remove the old S> box? My concern is that I would expect them to S> start storing honey in the new brood box, not start S> laying in it. S> Thanks for any help you can give. S> Steve Newport S> Sussex, England --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/197) Article 28697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: andrew.mcmanus@zbee.com (Andrew Mcmanus) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Terramycin Questions? Message-ID: <983572623@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:06:32 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/197 b5b0cb85 REPLY: 240:44/0 584e4628 PID: FDAPX/w 1.15 UnReg X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 67 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: 983575112 peer2.news.dircon.net 18119 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28697 Does anyone remember how bad AFB was in the U.K. before statutory destruction and restricted use of antibiotics was introduced ? AFB is now quite rare, though recent destruction of our 'County Beekeeping Instructor' program and restricted numbers of government 'Bees Officers' is not helping. All the best Andrew McManus C> From: Charlie Kroeger C> Newsgroups: C> sci.agriculture.beekeeping C> Subject: Re: Terramycin Questions? C> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:26:24 -0600 C> Lines: 22 C> Message-ID: C> <2s799t0rsbfmutajtidfo36e1e5074ofrc@4ax.com> C> References: <982618178@zbee.com> C> Reply-To: C> ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com C> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.170 C> Mime-Version: 1.0 C> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii C> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit C> X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 982819584 24689084 C> 216.167.138.170 (16 [35320]) XRef: zbee.com C> sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4994 C> Path: C> newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news C> .dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!newsfeed.icl.net! C> colt.net!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni- C> berlin.de!216.167.138.170!not-for-mail C> Peter Edwards said: >>... and EFB is out of control! Proves the point. C> So..let's see you're saying that 'because' of C> restricted use of Terramycin that EFB is out of C> control? . Based on what you said, does 'it' mean C> you think that by NOT using Terramycin 'freely' as C> Americans are want to do, (even as a 'growth' C> promoter) EFB would not then be a problem? C> I'm under the impression that EFB although messy, C> is about the same as AFB without the spores. AFB C> has shown 'resistance' to Terramycin in America C> because of it's casual and unprofessional use. C> I would then suppose if that's what you meant, C> you're one of those dumbbells that think that C> 'government' should 'stay out of our lives' so that C> corporations can have a less 'regulated' approach C> to inviting everyone to use as much Terramycin as C> they want? I'm sure you didn't mean that; but, if C> you did, you've been misled. If I'm wrong about C> your cryptic post, then accept my regrets in C> advance. C> C.K. --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/197) Article 28698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: andrew.mcmanus@zbee.com (Andrew Mcmanus) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any comments on Apistan? Message-ID: <983572625@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:21:32 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/197 b5b103c0 REPLY: 240:44/0 0cdb06ab PID: FDAPX/w 1.15 UnReg X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: 983575128 peer2.news.dircon.net 18119 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28698 I use the mesh bottom boards with a white drawer beneath purely to monitor the natural mortality of varroa mites to give an indication of the numbers infesting the colony and so when to treat - with apistan or bayvarrol etc. I don't think the mesh actually controls varroa itself - but I would love to hear otherwise. Andrew D> From: "David" D> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping D> Subject: Re: Any comments on Apistan? D> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:56:49 -0500 D> Organization: MindSpring Enterprises D> Lines: 18 D> Message-ID: <974pi2$p15$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> D> References: <3a9331f8.19205642@news.infoave.net> D> <970h8h$n0ckg$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> D> <3A94FFD3.AE71F895@together.net> Reply-To: "David" D> D> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.1a.16 D> X-Server-Date: 23 Feb 2001 04:39:30 GMT D> X-Priority: 3 D> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal D> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express D> 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft D> MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 XRef: zbee.com D> sci.agriculture.beekeeping:5002 D> Path: D> newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news D> .dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!news-out.nuthinbu D> tnews.com!news-in-austin.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.tex D> tport.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!loo D> k.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.ne D> t!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-fo D> r-mail D> Do the mesh bottom boards really help to control D> Varroa mites? David A. D> michael palmer wrote in D> message news:3A94FFD3.AE71F895@together.net... >> And I bet in South Carolina they are! >> >> BeeFarmer wrote: >> >> > Apistan does work... for Varroa! Unless of course >> > your mites are D> resistant >> > to it! >> > >> >> >> --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/197) Article 28699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: andrew.mcmanus@zbee.com (Andrew Mcmanus) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Terramycin Questions? Message-ID: <983572622@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:56:58 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/197 b5b0a7a1 REPLY: 240:44/0 584e4628 PID: FDAPX/w 1.15 UnReg X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 118 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: 983575106 peer2.news.dircon.net 18119 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28699 There was a great article about the control of E.F.B. written by P.A.M. a few years ago in Beecraft magazine - does anyone have a copy of it on line, or know which month it was published so I can dig it out again ? As I understand it EFB is difficult to diagnose with certainty in the field and all visable signs can dissapear within an infected colony as the bees clear away the dead larvae quickly for most of the year. Sometimes it is only visable in late April when the brood-nest is large and the nurse bees numbers are small and they are overstretched. - Less food per larva mean more die and are not cleared away so quickly. This is a hide-and-seek disease. EFB bacteria (Melissococcus pluton) live in the larval gut, eating the food meant for the larva. So the larva is malnourished or starves to death. When larvae are well fed they rarely die, but pass on the infection by defacating in the cell just before pupating. Malnourished larvae make poor nurse bees and short lived foragers, so EFB has a slow cumulative effect upon the whole colony. Symptoms are: larvae: contorted (gut ache) unusual positions and off colour - not pearly white is it true the gut may become visable as a white thread (if B.alvei is present)? dead brood in the larval stage no 'roping' with the matchstick test (AFB) colony: poor spring build up - failure to thrive but this could be nosema or many other reasons If anyone can add to this list please do. EFB has no resting spore like AFB so must survive only as active infection in the guts of living larvae (who defacate in the cell) and nurse bees (who transmit bacteria to more larvae). If EFB kills a larva before it defacates the infective cycle is broken when the larva is cleaned out of the colony. Thus if most infected larvae die (in April) then most of the infection may be removed from the hive and the disease may appear to dissapear from the colony until the infection level builds up again. EFB is a stress related disease - more prevalent and more visable when the colony is under stress. EFB is further complicated because of secondary infection by Bacillus alvei (which is sometimes considered to be part of the disease) and now with the stress of varroa on the colony EFB like symptoms and EFB has become more visable. Diagnosis is not easy Sucessful treatment is difficult re-infection is a major problem. The changing dynamics of the disease within the colony population is fascinating. I think that sucessful treatment must include all colonies in the apiary (and nighbours). The MAFF statutory treatment regime has weaknesses. The P.A.M article in Beecraft was a good starting point. I might detail our experiences and treatment of the disease in our club apiary in another posting but this one is getting a bit long already. I would love to hear other peoples thoughts and experiences with this major problem disease Please do fill in the gaps and correct me where you think I am wrong. All the best Andrew McManus C> From: Charlie Kroeger C> Newsgroups: C> sci.agriculture.beekeeping C> Subject: Re: Terramycin Questions? C> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:26:24 -0600 C> Lines: 22 C> Message-ID: C> <2s799t0rsbfmutajtidfo36e1e5074ofrc@4ax.com> C> References: <982618178@zbee.com> C> Reply-To: C> ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com C> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.170 C> Mime-Version: 1.0 C> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii C> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit C> X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 982819584 24689084 C> 216.167.138.170 (16 [35320]) XRef: zbee.com C> sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4994 C> Path: C> newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news C> .dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!newsfeed.icl.net! C> colt.net!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni- C> berlin.de!216.167.138.170!not-for-mail C> Peter Edwards said: >>... and EFB is out of control! Proves the point. C> So..let's see you're saying that 'because' of C> restricted use of Terramycin that EFB is out of C> control? . Based on what you said, does 'it' mean C> you think that by NOT using Terramycin 'freely' as C> Americans are want to do, (even as a 'growth' C> promoter) EFB would not then be a problem? C> I'm under the impression that EFB although messy, C> is about the same as AFB without the spores. AFB C> has shown 'resistance' to Terramycin in America C> because of it's casual and unprofessional use. C> I would then suppose if that's what you meant, C> you're one of those dumbbells that think that C> 'government' should 'stay out of our lives' so that C> corporations can have a less 'regulated' approach C> to inviting everyone to use as much Terramycin as C> they want? I'm sure you didn't mean that; but, if C> you did, you've been misled. If I'm wrong about C> your cryptic post, then accept my regrets in C> advance. C> C.K. --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/197) Article 28700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building Boxes Date: 2 Mar 2001 14:53:50 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 48 Message-ID: <97p89u02qpu@drn.newsguy.com> References: <3A9EC5E8.1D66DA53@coldspring.com> <3A9FF5B2.5A3979B4@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-696.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28700 In article <3A9FF5B2.5A3979B4@tucson.ars.ag.gov>, John says... > >My view - from over 30 years of handling bee equipment around the bee >lab - is that maintaining the bee space has almost become a lost art. >Wet (green) lumber has something to do with it, but many hives are >manufactured with strange dimensions inside. Differing rabbets, frames, >etc. also may change the situation. No kidding... check out the March 2001 issue of Bee Culture for their massive chart of what results from mixing different vendors' frames with different vendors' supers, and then stacking the various permutations on top of each other. They even address inner covers and queen excluders. The bad news is that I see much, much more "Red" (meaning that the space will be too large, and will result in burr comb) and "Brown" (meaning not enough space) than I do "Green" (good), "Gold" (smallish, but ok), "Yellow" (largish but ok) The really sad part is that some woodenware is not even "compatible" when stacked upon more of the same brand, same size woodenware! Sounds like there is a need for an actual written standard for "bee space", but perhaps I am expecting too much from the woodenware vendors, who may have significant investments in fixed tooling. We have a few table saws, and crank out our own supers, so it would certainly not be my place to complain about products I have never bought. jim Article 28701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 Mar 2001 00:11:59 GMT References: <97p2eu$as4$1@news.netmar.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Nutrition Label Stickers Message-ID: <20010302191159.10842.00000225@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28701 >Can someone >direct me to a supplier of stickers with the nutrition >information for honey, made up according to the U.S. >standards brushy mtn used to carry them, 1-800- beeswax Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 28702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <97p2eu$as4$1@news.netmar.com> Subject: Re: Nutrition Label Stickers Lines: 38 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 00:41:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.145 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 983580063 12.73.40.145 (Sat, 03 Mar 2001 00:41:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 00:41:03 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28702 Unfortunately, you'll end up buying a different label for each different size container. Seems the Fed thinks we need to know how many servings are in a container so that kind of buggers up the idea of a "one-size-fits-all" label. Just another example of the dumbing down of America if you ask me. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:97p2eu$as4$1@news.netmar.com... > > I'd like to avoid re-inventing the wheel. Can someone > direct me to a supplier of stickers with the nutrition > information for honey, made up according to the U.S. > standards? I'd like it if I can purchase in quantities > less than 1000. (100's would be great.) > > Thanks, > Paul > > > > > ----- Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the eb ----- > http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups > NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts > made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net Article 28703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.stealth.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: n4zo@amsat.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controlling tracheal mites Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 01:21:05 GMT Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3aa0462f.11292287@news.infoave.net> References: <3A9B280D.231DCE1E@mail.tqci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-39.r8.scccrk.infoave.net X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 983582448 29873 204.116.58.169 (3 Mar 2001 01:20:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 01:20:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28703 Is a suitable receipe for a grese patty something like half Criso and half sugar? Where is the best place to place it for feeding? After reading about drugs like Apistan, this seems the most prudent approach for tracheal mites. DMMcNeal n4zo@amsat.org Article 28704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <95ekgq$gqaub$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <20010301220255.04229.00000119@ng-mg1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:55:34 -0800 Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-116.reachone.com Message-ID: <3aa04e40@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 2 Mar 2001 17:52:00 -0800, tc1-116.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news-out.uswest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-116.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28704 For what it's worth, here's my experience. I'm a 3rd year novice with 2 hives. 1st year, I was stung once on my hand. The stung area swelled to the size of a quarter and was gone in about 2-3 days. Next year, stung twice on the same hand. It swelled to about twice the size of the other hand & stayed that way for a week. I wear gloves now. Article 28705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Standards for Organic Honey Date: 3 Mar 2001 06:24:29 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <97qk9d$j5i$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28705 Thanks for this update. A producer going for certification would most certainly have to use foundation that was "certified" as chemical free. I'd really be curious to see residue test results from random foundation samples taken throughout the USA. Organic certification is not only a marketing tool, but a plunge into a commitment with the ecology framing one's production system. Beekeeping and aspects of honey bee husbandry, without a partnership with one's ecological system, is a difficult agricultural enterprise. Where are the beekeepers lobbying for Organic standards located in the USA? Their location would be interesting to know. Thanks again, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 28706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nutrition Label Stickers Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 16:36:21 -0600 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3AA02065.E55AC49C@okstate.edu> References: <97p2eu$as4$1@news.netmar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: x8b4e76ed.dhcp.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28706 paulp@nospam_ims.com wrote: > I'd like to avoid re-inventing the wheel. Can someone > direct me to a supplier of stickers with the nutrition > information for honey, made up according to the U.S. > standards? I'd like it if I can purchase in quantities > less than 1000. (100's would be great.) > > Thanks, > Paul Try BetterBee. Their just one of many that offer this. 800-632-3379. Cost is $3.00 for a roll of 100. > > > ----- Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web ----- > http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups > NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts > made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net Article 28707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-10.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Changing Brood Combs Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 06:07:20 -0700 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <97qqac$qje5s$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <983572620@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-10.internode.net (198.161.229.186) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983624845 27900092 198.161.229.186 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28707 > At Kingston Division we used to have lots of Chalk brood and sac brood diseases > until I started regular transfer to clean comb every spring. Now chalk brood is > unheard of and sac brood is very rare. Nosema can be kept in check with > Fumadil B antibiotic, but will re-infect as the brood nest expands into > contaminated combs, so soiled combs are replaced or disinfected by fumigating > with 80% acetic acid. Many of these diseases are a sign of poor stock and can be bred out quite quickly or eliminated by changing queen suppliers. Comb replacement studies we did here last spring and summer (unpublished as of yet) using forty hives and several methods showed that the improvement made by total comb replacement was lost as the season went on. Also, significantly, the honey yield in foundation colonies was 1/3 of the crop in those on old comb, even though the comb replacement was limited to the brood chamber and drawn supers were given. -- allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 28708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-10.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building Boxes Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 06:24:19 -0700 Lines: 72 Message-ID: <97qra6$qa51g$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <3A9EC5E8.1D66DA53@coldspring.com> <3A9FF5B2.5A3979B4@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <97p89u02qpu@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-10.internode.net (198.161.229.186) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983625863 27595824 198.161.229.186 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28708 I'm thinking that we need a standard endorsed by a national, continental, or world body. This applies not only to woodenware, but also things like 'hygienic' queens. Seems to me that a large organisation already in place like Sue Bee, ABF or AHPA could pick up the ball on this and establish a standard, then licence the use of marks for the nominal cost of administering and policing the standards. If there were a standard, I am assuming that consumer pressure would encourage producer conformance. -- allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ --- Yesterday I parked my car in a tow-away zone...when I came back the entire area was missing. -- Steven Wright "James Fischer" wrote in message news:97p89u02qpu@drn.newsguy.com... > In article <3A9FF5B2.5A3979B4@tucson.ars.ag.gov>, John says... > > > >My view - from over 30 years of handling bee equipment around the bee > >lab - is that maintaining the bee space has almost become a lost art. > >Wet (green) lumber has something to do with it, but many hives are > >manufactured with strange dimensions inside. Differing rabbets, frames, > >etc. also may change the situation. > > No kidding... check out the March 2001 issue > of Bee Culture for their massive chart of what > results from mixing different vendors' frames > with different vendors' supers, and then > stacking the various permutations on top of > each other. > > They even address inner covers and queen > excluders. > > The bad news is that I see much, much more > > "Red" (meaning that the space > will be too large, and > will result in burr comb) > and > > "Brown" (meaning not enough space) > > than I do > > "Green" (good), > "Gold" (smallish, but ok), > "Yellow" (largish but ok) > > The really sad part is that some woodenware is > not even "compatible" when stacked upon more > of the same brand, same size woodenware! > > Sounds like there is a need for an actual written > standard for "bee space", but perhaps I am expecting > too much from the woodenware vendors, who may have > significant investments in fixed tooling. > > We have a few table saws, and crank out our own > supers, so it would certainly not be my place > to complain about products I have never bought. > > jim > Article 28709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Jennifer Pierce" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A question on building my own bodies... Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 13:30:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.232.94.52 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 983626238 205.232.94.52 (Sat, 03 Mar 2001 08:30:38 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 08:30:38 EST Organization: Northnet Internet Services (northnet.org) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28709 Greetings all - We've got a mill back in the woods, and my husband will be milling wood again this spring for his garage. If I can get him to agree, what kind of wood would be best suited for building my own hive bodies and supers? We've got hemlock, beech, maple (although that's used for the sugaring), pine, and probably a lot more. The wood he'll mill the most is probably the hemlock, and he says that's a very hard wood. How suitable would that bee for building hives? The pine would probably be best, from what he says. Any thoughts on the woods I mentioned, and any others that might work? Jennifer Article 28710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Date: 3 Mar 2001 11:18:45 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 32 Message-ID: <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-318.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28710 Jennifer said: >...what kind of wood would be best suited for building >my own hive bodies and supers? We've got hemlock, beech, >maple (although that's used for the sugaring), pine, and >probably a lot more. The wood he'll mill the most is >probably the hemlock, and he says that's a very hard wood. > >How suitable would that bee for building hives? The pine would >probably be best, from what he says. Any thoughts on the woods >I mentioned, and any others that might work? The bees won't mind, no matter which wood you use. Your table saw (unless equipped with carbide blades) certainly WILL mind harder woods. (I love the carbide- tipped adjustable dado blade sold by Sears that "wobbles", as it cuts through oak like it was butter.) Most of the woodenware one can buy is pine, and I have yet to hear anyone criticize pine as a "poor choice". A good paint job seems to be more important than the type of wood used. Rossman makes their woodenware from Cypress see http://www.gabees.com/cypress.htm Here's one option that starts to seem silly - MAHOGANY!!! see http://www.bee-commerce.com/gifts/estatehive.htm of course, at $1,500 each, one should expect a solid gold entrance reducer! Article 28711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!209.155.233.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building Boxes Date: 3 Mar 2001 10:53:01 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 54 Message-ID: <97reid01ndg@drn.newsguy.com> References: <3A9EC5E8.1D66DA53@coldspring.com> <3A9FF5B2.5A3979B4@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <97p89u02qpu@drn.newsguy.com> <97qra6$qa51g$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-809.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28711 Allen Dick said: >I'm thinking that we need a standard endorsed by a national, >continental, or world body. This applies not only to woodenware, >but also things like 'hygienic' queens. Yeah, I know a "hygenic queen"... he will come and clean your house every week at reasonable prices! :) The concept of a "standard" implies that some number of people come to agreement on a consensus view, and that compromises are made to achive the consensus. I have yet to see a consensus develop among any number of beekeepers on any issue. In fact, discussion most often results in additional divergent views being added to the mix! :) >Seems to me that a large organisation already in place like >Sue Bee, ABF or AHPA could pick up the ball on this and establish >a standard, then licence the use of marks for the nominal cost of >>administering and policing the standards. The same issue has existed for years in technology markets. In this case, the key word is "interoperability". Of course, there is some debate over the optimal minimum and maximum gap that can be called "bee space", so there must first be a consensus on the core issue of "standard bee space". >If there were a standard, I am assuming that consumer pressure >would encourage producer conformance. At least the first step has been taken - names have been named, and brands of woodenware that are not even "interoperable" with more of the same brand have been exposed to light and air. This was a brave thing for Bee Culture to do, given that some number of advertisers have been found to be lacking. I wish I could agree on that "consumer pressure" is a powerful force, but "consumer pressure" has not forced Microsoft to comply with well-known standards, and computer products are both sold to more people, and are much more expensive than woodenware. It is easy to write up a document that says "respect bee space", but it is hard (and expensive) to re-tool one's entire set of jigs and implement strict quality-control over tolerances when working with wood. I'd hope that the woodenware vendors would negotiate among themselves and come to their own consensus, but I'm not going to hold my breath. What beekeepers owe the vendors is a clear consensus on what "bee space" should be, with minmum and maximum tolerances. Article 28712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Preserving Hive Bodies Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 19:13:00 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-c1fpsEclokwK7qd9NVpSSILH5vNuAVXd6uIw0I60l2siPfSy//Qax0wlX9TPj1CFbJygeeJaEVBEd3x!Imj6hiJAg1ZvEQLJmHDzKoe/dw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:12:55 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28712 Hello, I've heard there are a couple of good wood preservatives to use on hive bodies and possibly other parts; Copper Napthenate and Copper Quinolate. I have some 9% Copper Napthenate. My questions are: 1. Can I use Copper Napthenate on the inside as well as outside? 2. What percent Copper Napthenate should I use? 3. What is the best way(s) to apply it? 4. Can I paint over it? Thanks Mark -- Diplomacy is the art of letting someone else have your way. Article 28713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-2.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Bee Standards Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 06:35:21 -0700 Lines: 80 Message-ID: <97tg9v$mgboo$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <3A9EC5E8.1D66DA53@coldspring.com> <3A9FF5B2.5A3979B4@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <97p89u02qpu@drn.newsguy.com> <97qra6$qa51g$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <97reid01ndg@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-2.internode.net (198.161.229.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983712897 23605016 198.161.229.178 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28713 > >Seems to me that a large organisation already in place like > >Sue Bee, ABF or AHPA could pick up the ball on this and establish > >a standard, then licence the use of marks for the nominal cost of > >>administering and policing the standards. > > >I'm thinking that we need a standard endorsed by a national, > >continental, or world body. This applies not only to woodenware, > >but also things like 'hygienic' queens. > > Yeah, I know a "hygenic queen"... he will come and clean > your house every week at reasonable prices! :) Hygienic behaviour will become much more important in the next few years as fewer and fewer chemicals and drugs will be available and effective against our multitude of bee health problems. Bee breeding has the potential to reduce these major threats to minor status. If bee breeding is to replace drugs, then it must be quality controlled and certified, just as drugs and chemicals are now. The problem is that bee breeeding costs money and effort and the product of that that money and effort must be able to be verified and rewarded. It happens that 'hygienic' is much cheaper and easier to achieve in advertising than in the beehive. Although many, if not most bee breeders, are honest, educated, and try to give good value, queen raisers have no strong incentive to conform hygienic or SMR standards in bees they label 'hygienic' or 'SMR' unless they are tested peridically by an independant organisation -- and potentially subject to sanctions or public embarrassment. As I have pointed out publicly, we spend well over $10 per year per hive treating and inspecting to suppress AFB, EFB, mites, etc. Some things like chalkbrood and sacbrood and viruses, we cannot treat, yet they have a hand in our pocket. That means that I could very happily spend =at least= $10 more per queen for bees that are immune to these scourges. BUT I wouldn't do that, and neither would any astute commercial beekeeper -- pay double the price -- unless I had strong evidence that the queens were produced under strict quality control and testing. We need assurance of consistency if we are to depend entirely on these characteristics. Any variation and subsequent failure could be very costly. Without a high level of conformance to standards failure rates could be high resulting in loss of bees, loss of crop, extra work, remedial chemical or radiation treatment, and even destruction of hive parts. Without independant testing, I could not reasonably count on these traits being there consisently enough to rely on them and would not pay the premium. We see regulation and certification in many analagous areas. Only certain varieties of wheat may be grown in Western Canada. Commercial seed growers must meet standards and submit to testing and certification. We are no different. If we want to ensure that all areas are filled with bees that are relatively unaffected by the mentioned diseases and pests, we must have a way of proving conformance on the queen market. For those beekeepers who oppose any form of regulation, need I mention that the drugs we use are produced to strict standards under inspection and quality control testing? Why not their potential replacements? Independent testing and certification marks keep everyone honest. Independent testing ensures that those who do a good job of breeding consistent queens with the advertised traits get rewarded. Independent testing discourages phonies. In short, without independant testing and an official 'seal of approval' to certify and reward high performance queens, we will never get off the chemical treadmill. That is because without convincing independant testing 1.) no one will have faith in the product and 3.) no one will make the strong effort necessary to meet the high level of consistency and performance necessary to wean the industry from cheap, effective, and, yes, standardised chemicals. -- allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ --- I went to the hardware store and bought some used paint. It was in the shape of a house. I also bought some batteries, but they weren't included. So I had to buy them again. -- Steven Wright Article 28714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Standards for Organic Honey Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 14:10:54 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <97qk9d$j5i$1@saltmine.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 24 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28714 Adam Finkelstein <> wrote in message news:97qk9d$j5i$1@saltmine.radix.net... > A producer going for certification would most certainly have to use > foundation that was "certified" as chemical free. I'd really be curious to > see residue test results from random foundation samples taken throughout > the USA. a swiss study of acaricide residues in honey, wax and propolis can be found at http://www.apis.admin.ch/english/pdf/BeeProducts/Acaricides_e.pdf and is quite revealing, although not exactly what you might predict in usa probably due to "api/cultural" differences... > Organic certification is not only a marketing tool, but a plunge into a > commitment with the ecology framing one's production system. Beekeeping > and aspects of honey bee husbandry, without a partnership with one's ecological > system, is a difficult agricultural enterprise. m.winston's recent (late2000?) column in "bee culture" on organic production (online but not archived at) http://www.airoot.com/beeculture basically agrees with your viewpoint and discusses it in a global/local context... btw, how did your queen trials go last year and do you plan to repeat them this year? Article 28715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.tele.dk!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.twtelecom.net!news.twtelecom.net!news.twtelecom.net!not-for-mail From: lrpotts@stic.net (Metalaya) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 05:44:05 GMT Message-ID: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.198.60.163 X-Trace: 983770517 news1.twtelecom.net 65279 216.198.60.163 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28715 Hello Honey Bee Mavens! My friends father kept bees and related the story that when the arthritis in his hand would act up he would stick his hand into a hive and agitate it around to get a few stings. He claimed that the stings would ease the pain of his arthritis. I guess this is much the same technique as the counter stimulation method of moxibustion, or the burning of moxa. Ancient Buddhist medicine utilizes an herb, moxa, which is burned then placed against the skin while hot to counter certain pain conditions. Question...Has anyone heard of any bee sting remedies similar to this? Metalaya Article 28716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:34:33 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28716 On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 05:44:05 GMT, lrpotts@stic.net (Metalaya) wrote: >Hello Honey Bee Mavens! > >My friends father kept bees and related the story that when the >arthritis in his hand would act up he would stick his hand into a hive >and agitate it around to get a few stings. He claimed that the stings >would ease the pain of his arthritis. I guess this is much the same >technique as the counter stimulation method of moxibustion, or the >burning of moxa. Ancient Buddhist medicine utilizes an herb, moxa, >which is burned then placed against the skin while hot to counter >certain pain conditions. > >Question...Has anyone heard of any bee sting remedies similar to this? > >Metalaya Bee stings cause you body to produce cortizones. Yes they work great for arthritus, and many other autoamune diseases. beekeep Article 28717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.48.40.11!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AA2889D.116C69@mail.tqci.net> From: Christopher Drazba X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: frames Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 18:25:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.244.8.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net 983730318 64.244.8.120 (Sun, 04 Mar 2001 13:25:18 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 13:25:18 EST Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28717 Do brood frames need horizontal wires? I am using wired brood foundation. If so, should I use 2 or 4 wires? Chris D. Article 28718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news-sjo.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Changing Brood Combs Message-ID: <3aa3ad26.279824359@west.usenetserver.com> References: <983572620@zbee.com> <97qqac$qje5s$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 40 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:14:16 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:15:35 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28718 I think this may be "too much of a good thing". My method of disease control is replacing 2 frames per box each year and this is sufficient. Totally replacing the entire comb with foundation is expensive especially when you remember how much honey is lost pulling out wax IMHO Dave On Sat, 3 Mar 2001 06:07:20 -0700, "Allen Dick" wrote: >> At Kingston Division we used to have lots of Chalk brood and sac brood >diseases >> until I started regular transfer to clean comb every spring. Now chalk >brood is >> unheard of and sac brood is very rare. Nosema can be kept in check with >> Fumadil B antibiotic, but will re-infect as the brood nest expands into >> contaminated combs, so soiled combs are replaced or disinfected by >fumigating >> with 80% acetic acid. > >Many of these diseases are a sign of poor stock and can be bred out quite >quickly or eliminated by changing queen suppliers. > >Comb replacement studies we did here last spring and summer (unpublished as >of yet) using forty hives and several methods showed that the improvement >made by total comb replacement was lost as the season went on. > >Also, significantly, the honey yield in foundation colonies was 1/3 of the >crop in those on old comb, even though the comb replacement was limited to >the brood chamber and drawn supers were given. >-- >allen > >http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > > Article 28719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: National Organic Standards finally announced by USDA Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:19:30 -0500 Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.64.126 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.64.126 Message-ID: <3aa402d3_1@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 5 Mar 2001 16:19:15 -0500, 64.208.64.126 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.64.126 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28719 National Organic Standards finally announced by USDA http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/organstan.htm -- Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Betty's Driftwood Santa Site http://pages.ivillage.com/santasite/index.html Article 28720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:14:11 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.192.147 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 983834155 212.137.192.147 (Mon, 05 Mar 2001 23:15:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 23:15:55 GMT Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28720 My understanding is that the latest research suggests that it is a little more complex! It suggests that stings may alleviate arthritis away from the site of the sting, but cause it where the person is stung. I regret that my attempt, a little while ago, to poll contributors to this newsgroup on their experience of arthritis met with little success. "beekeep" wrote in message news:3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net... > On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 05:44:05 GMT, lrpotts@stic.net (Metalaya) wrote: > > >Hello Honey Bee Mavens! > > > >My friends father kept bees and related the story that when the > >arthritis in his hand would act up he would stick his hand into a hive > >and agitate it around to get a few stings. He claimed that the stings > >would ease the pain of his arthritis. I guess this is much the same > >technique as the counter stimulation method of moxibustion, or the > >burning of moxa. Ancient Buddhist medicine utilizes an herb, moxa, > >which is burned then placed against the skin while hot to counter > >certain pain conditions. > > > >Question...Has anyone heard of any bee sting remedies similar to this? > > > >Metalaya > > Bee stings cause you body to produce cortizones. Yes they work great > for arthritus, and many other autoamune diseases. > > beekeep > Article 28721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: National Organic Standards finally announced by USDA Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:16:29 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3aa402d3_1@news.cybertours.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28721 could you please cite the source for your article, unless it's your own release? Midnitebee <> wrote in message news:3aa402d3_1@news.cybertours.com... > National Organic Standards finally announced by USDA > > http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/organstan.htm > Article 28722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 23:32:27 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 48 Message-ID: <3aa42120.801103311@news1.radix.net> References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28722 Most of my customers sting for MS. But we do get a lot of other feedback as well. Many have reported back that the arthritus was completely gone. The MS takes a lot longer. Another side effect is that women quite often become pregnant! They have reported that they had always been unable to conceive, so they didn't bother using any preventitives, started the bvt and then became pregnant. beekeep On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:14:11 -0000, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >My understanding is that the latest research suggests that it is a little >more complex! > >It suggests that stings may alleviate arthritis away from the site of the >sting, but cause it where the person is stung. > >I regret that my attempt, a little while ago, to poll contributors to this >newsgroup on their experience of arthritis met with little success. > >"beekeep" wrote in message >news:3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net... >> On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 05:44:05 GMT, lrpotts@stic.net (Metalaya) wrote: >> >> >Hello Honey Bee Mavens! >> > >> >My friends father kept bees and related the story that when the >> >arthritis in his hand would act up he would stick his hand into a hive >> >and agitate it around to get a few stings. He claimed that the stings >> >would ease the pain of his arthritis. I guess this is much the same >> >technique as the counter stimulation method of moxibustion, or the >> >burning of moxa. Ancient Buddhist medicine utilizes an herb, moxa, >> >which is burned then placed against the skin while hot to counter >> >certain pain conditions. >> > >> >Question...Has anyone heard of any bee sting remedies similar to this? >> > >> >Metalaya >> >> Bee stings cause you body to produce cortizones. Yes they work great >> for arthritus, and many other autoamune diseases. >> >> beekeep >> > > Article 28723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: National Organic Standards finally announced by USDA Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 19:13:31 -0600 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <3aa402d3_1@news.cybertours.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaOVkzVLW8Iukna+7iVl9kADewPJnEzgGg7CduoFceIUSRDztxk8VvW X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Mar 2001 01:14:41 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28723 > From: "Teri Bachus" > Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:16:29 -0500 > Subject: Re: National Organic Standards finally announced by USDA > > could you please cite the source for your article, unless it's your own > release? > > Midnitebee <> wrote in message news:3aa402d3_1@news.cybertours.com... >> National Organic Standards finally announced by USDA >> >> http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/organstan.htm Teri - Note from the above web page: "It details the methods, practices and substances that can be used in producing and handling organic crops and livestock, as well as processed products." I don't know his source but this ruling does not pertain to beekeeping or honey. This will be a separate ruling later this year at the earliest. Not sure why it was announced here in a beekeeping forum. Regards, Barry Article 28724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: dhaist77@cs.com (Dhaist77) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 05 Mar 2001 23:53:54 GMT References: <07d19tc8eh5c8m3m8iei9hdmf7u4qrb2qb@4ax.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: bee extraction fees and other questions Message-ID: <20010305185354.22312.00000582@ng-bk1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28724 I have a unique problem. The bees are a the top of my 60 foot chimmney, between the inner chimmeny and outer "false" chimmney. It is not accessible without 1) building 60 feet of scofloding(sp) and 2)spending several hundred dollars to remove the chimmney crown and cap. About a dozen a day make their way down the chimmney into the living room where they sting my children and eventually die(the bees). Any suggestions? Dennis Haisten Article 28725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee extraction fees and other questions Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 00:50:49 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3aa4340d.805948391@news1.radix.net> References: <07d19tc8eh5c8m3m8iei9hdmf7u4qrb2qb@4ax.com> <20010305185354.22312.00000582@ng-bk1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28725 On 05 Mar 2001 23:53:54 GMT, dhaist77@cs.com (Dhaist77) wrote: >I have a unique problem. The bees are a the top of my 60 foot chimmney, between >the inner chimmeny and outer "false" chimmney. It is not accessible without 1) >building 60 feet of scofloding(sp) and 2)spending several hundred dollars to >remove the chimmney crown and cap. About a dozen a day make their way down the >chimmney into the living room where they sting my children and eventually >die(the bees). Any suggestions? >Dennis Haisten A good fire in the fire place might just do the trick. Of coarse if they have been there awhile and filled the chimney with wax and honey you are going to have a real problem on your hands. beekeep Article 28726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.twtelecom.net!newsfeed.twtelecom.net!news.twtelecom.net!news.twtelecom.net!not-for-mail From: lrpotts@stic.net (Metalaya) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 03:29:21 GMT Message-ID: <3aa458fa.77940036@news.stic.net> References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> <3aa42120.801103311@news1.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.198.62.209 X-Trace: 983849019 news1.twtelecom.net 65278 216.198.62.209 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28726 Dear Beekeep, It appears that you encounter people using bee sting "therapy" sort of often...Can you list a few more ailments or disfunctions for which people get stung? Metalaya On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 23:32:27 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >Most of my customers sting for MS. But we do get a lot of other >feedback as well. Many have reported back that the arthritus was >completely gone. The MS takes a lot longer. Another side effect is >that women quite often become pregnant! They have reported that they >had always been unable to conceive, so they didn't bother using any >preventitives, started the bvt and then became pregnant. > >beekeep > >On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:14:11 -0000, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > >>My understanding is that the latest research suggests that it is a little >>more complex! >> >>It suggests that stings may alleviate arthritis away from the site of the >>sting, but cause it where the person is stung. >> >>I regret that my attempt, a little while ago, to poll contributors to this >>newsgroup on their experience of arthritis met with little success. >> >>"beekeep" wrote in message >>news:3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net... >>> On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 05:44:05 GMT, lrpotts@stic.net (Metalaya) wrote: >>> >>> >Hello Honey Bee Mavens! >>> > >>> >My friends father kept bees and related the story that when the >>> >arthritis in his hand would act up he would stick his hand into a hive >>> >and agitate it around to get a few stings. He claimed that the stings >>> >would ease the pain of his arthritis. I guess this is much the same >>> >technique as the counter stimulation method of moxibustion, or the >>> >burning of moxa. Ancient Buddhist medicine utilizes an herb, moxa, >>> >which is burned then placed against the skin while hot to counter >>> >certain pain conditions. >>> > >>> >Question...Has anyone heard of any bee sting remedies similar to this? >>> > >>> >Metalaya >>> >>> Bee stings cause you body to produce cortizones. Yes they work great >>> for arthritus, and many other autoamune diseases. >>> >>> beekeep >>> >> >> > Article 28727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!news.compaq.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee extraction fees and other questions Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:56:45 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3aa4d049.845928440@news1.radix.net> References: <07d19tc8eh5c8m3m8iei9hdmf7u4qrb2qb@4ax.com> <20010305185354.22312.00000582@ng-bk1.news.cs.com> <3aa4340d.805948391@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p19.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28727 On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:37:32 +0000, Kidney John wrote: >On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 00:50:49 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: > >>On 05 Mar 2001 23:53:54 GMT, dhaist77@cs.com (Dhaist77) wrote: >> >>>I have a unique problem. The bees are a the top of my 60 foot chimmney, between >>>the inner chimmeny and outer "false" chimmney. It is not accessible without 1) >>>building 60 feet of scofloding(sp) and 2)spending several hundred dollars to >>>remove the chimmney crown and cap. About a dozen a day make their way down the >>>chimmney into the living room where they sting my children and eventually >>>die(the bees). Any suggestions? >>>Dennis Haisten >> >>A good fire in the fire place might just do the trick. Of coarse if >>they have been there awhile and filled the chimney with wax and honey >>you are going to have a real problem on your hands. >> >>beekeep > >If you can see where the bees are entering and exiting, you could fit a >bee escape (one-way) so that, over a relatively short period, all the >foragers will be excluded, and the colony (what's left of it) will >perish. >-- >kj @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk >TERMINUS - www.jaf.co.uk/terminus.htm If the chimney is that bad chances are they will find a way around the the cone. beekeep Article 28728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!sn-uk-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Kidney John Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee extraction fees and other questions Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:24:17 +0000 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <65o9ats0h97sdk4gvr95bbfv9p3gq6bu3b@4ax.com> References: <07d19tc8eh5c8m3m8iei9hdmf7u4qrb2qb@4ax.com> <20010305185354.22312.00000582@ng-bk1.news.cs.com> <3aa4340d.805948391@news1.radix.net> <3aa4d049.845928440@news1.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 44 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28728 On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:56:45 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:37:32 +0000, Kidney John > wrote: > >>On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 00:50:49 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >> >>>On 05 Mar 2001 23:53:54 GMT, dhaist77@cs.com (Dhaist77) wrote: >>> >>>>I have a unique problem. The bees are a the top of my 60 foot chimmney, between >>>>the inner chimmeny and outer "false" chimmney. It is not accessible without 1) >>>>building 60 feet of scofloding(sp) and 2)spending several hundred dollars to >>>>remove the chimmney crown and cap. About a dozen a day make their way down the >>>>chimmney into the living room where they sting my children and eventually >>>>die(the bees). Any suggestions? >>>>Dennis Haisten >>> >>>A good fire in the fire place might just do the trick. Of coarse if >>>they have been there awhile and filled the chimney with wax and honey >>>you are going to have a real problem on your hands. >>> >>>beekeep >> >>If you can see where the bees are entering and exiting, you could fit a >>bee escape (one-way) so that, over a relatively short period, all the >>foragers will be excluded, and the colony (what's left of it) will >>perish. >>-- >>kj @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk >>TERMINUS - www.jaf.co.uk/terminus.htm > >If the chimney is that bad chances are they will find a way around the >the cone. > >beekeep True. Extra entrances can be closed, though (assuming you can find them all, or reach them). I'm probably clutching at straws here, but that's because I hate the idea of killing the bees, but sometimes it's the only answer. -- kj @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk TERMINUS - www.jaf.co.uk/terminus.htm Article 28729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!195.224.25.10!sn-uk-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Kidney John Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee extraction fees and other questions Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:37:32 +0000 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <07d19tc8eh5c8m3m8iei9hdmf7u4qrb2qb@4ax.com> <20010305185354.22312.00000582@ng-bk1.news.cs.com> <3aa4340d.805948391@news1.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28729 On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 00:50:49 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >On 05 Mar 2001 23:53:54 GMT, dhaist77@cs.com (Dhaist77) wrote: > >>I have a unique problem. The bees are a the top of my 60 foot chimmney, between >>the inner chimmeny and outer "false" chimmney. It is not accessible without 1) >>building 60 feet of scofloding(sp) and 2)spending several hundred dollars to >>remove the chimmney crown and cap. About a dozen a day make their way down the >>chimmney into the living room where they sting my children and eventually >>die(the bees). Any suggestions? >>Dennis Haisten > >A good fire in the fire place might just do the trick. Of coarse if >they have been there awhile and filled the chimney with wax and honey >you are going to have a real problem on your hands. > >beekeep If you can see where the bees are entering and exiting, you could fit a bee escape (one-way) so that, over a relatively short period, all the foragers will be excluded, and the colony (what's left of it) will perish. -- kj @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk TERMINUS - www.jaf.co.uk/terminus.htm Article 28730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!sac.uu.net!newshub1.wanet.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 16 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: outman2@aol.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Mar 2001 14:29:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Frame spacers Message-ID: <20010306092901.15387.00000007@ng-fg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28730 I am VERY new to beekeeping, and have done some reading about bees, hives ect. In all the books they talk about "bee space" and I understand all that. Hive bodies, & supers are built to hold 10 frames for....."bee space"!! Now in some catalogs I see FRAME SPACERS for 9 or 8 frames. I don't understand ??? Why would you want less frames ??? Thank You for Your Time, -= Mike =- Article 28731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frame spacers Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:46:01 -0500 Lines: 35 Message-ID: <982t7h$255q$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <20010306092901.15387.00000007@ng-fg1.aol.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983889970 70842 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28731 Spacers can be used to provide more space for bees to draw out comb. Some keepers use spacers in broad chambers and other use it for honey supers. Some probably do both. For my operation I use 9 frames spacers for honey supers so bees draw out the comb further which, allows easier uncapping of the frame. I won't go into detail as there are as many ideas as there are keepers. Good Luck. -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Mike" wrote in message news:20010306092901.15387.00000007@ng-fg1.aol.com... > I am VERY new to beekeeping, and have done some reading about bees, > hives ect. > > In all the books they talk about "bee space" and I understand all that. > > Hive bodies, & supers are built to hold 10 frames for....."bee space"!! > > Now in some catalogs I see FRAME SPACERS for 9 or 8 frames. > > I don't understand ??? > > Why would you want less frames ??? > > > Thank You for Your Time, > -= Mike =- Article 28732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!news.compaq.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "BeArLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: When should i apply strips?????? Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:19:17 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28732 Supposed to hit 61 F today....Should i put the strips in? Live in Washington state. ===================================== http://www.jaxworld.com/lowcarb/stories.html To bad honey isn't Low Carb. ===================================== Article 28733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.83!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:32:10 -0600 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.83 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983907131 141764 216.167.138.83 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28733 Peter Edwards sniffed: >I regret that my attempt, a little while ago, to poll contributors to this >newsgroup on their experience of arthritis met with little success. That's because you didn't poll the archives first, where there are many such threads, including some of my own views. C.K. Article 28734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: J Subject: Re: Frame spacers X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.113.127.111 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3AA57126.4BB7ED89@NOTaol.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Yes, I work. X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010306092901.15387.00000007@ng-fg1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:22:14 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Win98; I) Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28734 I don't use spacers. In my opinion if you use spacers the bees will draw the comb out further. This means when you uncap it's either harder to take just the cap, or you cut off more of the comb when cutting back to level with the frame. Mike wrote: > > I am VERY new to beekeeping, and have done some reading about bees, > hives ect. > > In all the books they talk about "bee space" and I understand all that. > > Hive bodies, & supers are built to hold 10 frames for....."bee space"!! > > Now in some catalogs I see FRAME SPACERS for 9 or 8 frames. > > I don't understand ??? > > Why would you want less frames ??? > > Thank You for Your Time, > -= Mike =- Article 28735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!skycache.prestige.net!not-for-mail From: "mikebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010306092901.15387.00000007@ng-fg1.aol.com> <3AA57126.4BB7ED89@NOTaol.com> Subject: Re: Frame spacers Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 22:54:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.94.220.131 X-Complaints-To: administrator@prestige.net X-Trace: skycache.prestige.net 983919244 63.94.220.131 (Tue, 06 Mar 2001 17:54:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 17:54:04 EST Organization: Prestige Communications/ Prestige.Net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28735 I have been using spacers for a number of years in the extracting supers. It makes it easier to uncap as the cells are pulled out farther. You can use spacers in the brood chamber, it makes it easier to get the frames out. When you remove frames, start with an outside frame and work inwards to help prevent rolling the bees and possibly killing the queen. Once you move the outside frame you then have room to move the next frame over. For a new beekeeper I suggest joining a beekeeping club, you can get a lot of information and there will be experienced beekeepers to help you. Good luck. J wrote in message news:3AA57126.4BB7ED89@NOTaol.com... > I don't use spacers. In my opinion if you use spacers the bees will > draw the comb out further. This means when you uncap it's either harder > to take just the cap, or you cut off more of the comb when cutting back > to level with the frame. > > Mike wrote: > > > > I am VERY new to beekeeping, and have done some reading about bees, > > hives ect. > > > > In all the books they talk about "bee space" and I understand all that. > > > > Hive bodies, & supers are built to hold 10 frames for....."bee space"!! > > > > Now in some catalogs I see FRAME SPACERS for 9 or 8 frames. > > > > I don't understand ??? > > > > Why would you want less frames ??? > > > > Thank You for Your Time, > > -= Mike =- Article 28736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.alsv1.occa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AA57A9E.79166691@home.com> From: maverick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wintering = dead bees? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:02:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.10.145.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.alsv1.occa.home.com 983923375 24.10.145.159 (Tue, 06 Mar 2001 16:02:55 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 16:02:55 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28736 hello all I live in southern california. I have four hives. two all american, and buckfast. three weeks ago while dusting with Terramycin , I noticed that one of the all american hives has been extremely active and reproducing. fearing a swarm I placed a shallow super and closed the entrance and covered the super with a tarp. yesterday I opened the hive, and what a disaster. there is approximately six inch high worth of dead bees on the bottom super. its an apparent stampede to the entrance. I still have not found the queen. I'm hoping she is still alive. ok after you call me names, I hope you would answer this question? how the hay do pro beekeepers transport the hives without having such a disaster? or how beekeepers who live in cold climates wrap the hive in a tarp and leave it outside in the snow without having such a disaster thanks Mike Article 28737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AA58146.1DD01562@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When should i apply strips?????? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 X-Trace: /whjskj4E/4/gXJ640PKwdBeMJ5PVVsFNL7iXbZ+x9tGgkenxNLGGrvMuxlkElqjLJfaQBSL77Cr!/edLYcqGcC2j5Q4jvDO0bQhZbvGnRad9aJb4eSQlGpn7uBkDBuXT/TBBBRdT X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:31:11 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:31:11 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28737 Did you put Apistan in last fall? BeArLc wrote: > Supposed to hit 61 F today....Should i put the strips in? Live in > Washington state. > > ===================================== > http://www.jaxworld.com/lowcarb/stories.html > To bad honey isn't Low Carb. > ===================================== Article 28738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.isc.org!news.gnac.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: J Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.113.127.111 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3AA57590.90FF9007@NOTaol.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Yes, I work. X-Accept-Language: en References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:41:04 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Win98; I) Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28738 Ya know, it's really hard to happen upon a news group and know how or where to go "poll the archives". I've been watching this NG for over 6 months now - and commenting every now and then, and I still don't have a clue as to what "archives" you are referring to. Most of us probably purge our posts over 14 days old, as well, we have lives outside of computing, newsgroups and beekeeping. So, cut us some slack and don't be so snippy. Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > Peter Edwards sniffed: > > >I regret that my attempt, a little while ago, to poll contributors to this > >newsgroup on their experience of arthritis met with little success. > > That's because you didn't poll the archives first, where there are > many such threads, including some of my own views. > > C.K. Article 28739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news.tele.dk!134.222.94.5!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!not-for-mail From: Xavier Dequaire Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 08:15:35 +0100 Organization: XDi Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3AA5E017.609C97A3@futurich.com> References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> <3AA57590.90FF9007@NOTaol.com> Reply-To: xavier@futurich.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.91.191.10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: oslo-nntp.eunet.no 983949045 15224 193.91.191.10 (7 Mar 2001 07:10:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eunet.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Mar 2001 07:10:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28739 About archive on this NG, you can check http://groups.google.com/ or more specifically for this NG http://groups.google.com/groups?num=25&hl=en&lr=&group=sci.agriculture.beekeeping&safe=off&start=50&group=sci.agriculture.beekeeping Bee in peace Xavier J wrote: > Ya know, it's really hard to happen upon a news group and know how or > where to go "poll the archives". I've been watching this NG for over 6 > months now - and commenting every now and then, and I still don't have a > clue as to what "archives" you are referring to. Most of us probably > purge our posts over 14 days old, as well, we have lives outside of > computing, newsgroups and beekeeping. So, cut us some slack and don't > be so snippy. > > Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > > > Peter Edwards sniffed: > > > > >I regret that my attempt, a little while ago, to poll contributors to this > > >newsgroup on their experience of arthritis met with little success. > > > > That's because you didn't poll the archives first, where there are > > many such threads, including some of my own views. > > > > C.K. -- ----------------------------------- | XDi, Xavier Dequaire interaktiv | e-learning og multimedia konsulent |-@------------------------------@- | Dataforhandler: | maskinvare og programvare | Forhandler av en glimrende urtedrikk | http://www.futurich.com ----------------------------------- Article 28740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-10.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:17:40 -0700 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <985cd6$btqm$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> <3AA57590.90FF9007@NOTaol.com> <3AA5E017.609C97A3@futurich.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-10.internode.net (198.161.229.186) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983971047 390998 198.161.229.186 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28740 > About archive on this NG, you can check http://groups.google.com/ > or more specifically for this NG > http://groups.google.com/groups?num=25&hl=en&lr=&group=sci.agriculture.beeke eping&safe=off&start=50&group=sci.agriculture.beekeeping Thanks for this. I was aware that Deja's searches had degenerated in depth, but not that this new service had replaced it. Hope it lasts. Anyone else have any neat tricks for accessing sci.agriculture.beekeeping or the archives? Anyone know if the archives at Google go all the way back? I keep a page about sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee/sci.htm , and I see I'm going to have to overhaul it now. For those wanting to look into archives, BEE-L has searchable archives over a decade deep accessible from http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ -- allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ --- When I was little, my grandfather used to make me stand in a closet for five minutes without moving. He said it was elevator practice. -- Steven Wright Article 28741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Selection for Varroa tolerance (was Re: Standards for Organic Honey) Date: 7 Mar 2001 08:25:02 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <985cre$rs6$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <97qk9d$j5i$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28741 In article , Teri Bachus wrote: >btw, how did your queen trials go last year and do you plan to repeat them >this year? > > We're still awaiting Spring buildup to assess completely how our tests went. We've been in contact with others and as soon as everyone pools their data and arranges for crosses (i.e. exchanging germplasm via virgins/semen) I'll post a summary. I'm still looking for queen testers for this season. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 28742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Patrick M. Hennessey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frames Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 08:57:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3AA2889D.116C69@mail.tqci.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28742 I do wire my brood frames, this is how I was first taught to make brood frames. I use two wires. This helps to keep the foundation straight in the frame to prevent bowing. You also might run into sagging of the comb as you get into the summer. With all of the bees and the stores that they have put into the comb, plus the heat, the comb can easily be deformed and sag. You can get support pins, I have two jars I got from a beekeeper, but I have never used them. I extract most of my honey, so I also wire the super frames. My advice is to wire. Pat On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 18:25:18 GMT, Christopher Drazba wrote: >Do brood frames need horizontal wires? I am using wired >brood foundation. If so, should I use 2 or 4 wires? > >Chris D. Article 28743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 37 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 07 Mar 2001 15:40:31 GMT References: <3AA57A9E.79166691@home.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: wintering = dead bees? Message-ID: <20010307104031.01735.00000182@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28743 From: maverick maldimassi@home.com >one of the all american hives has been extremely active and reproducing. >fearing a swarm I placed a shallow super and closed the entrance and >covered the super with a tarp. yesterday I opened the hive, and what a >disaster. there is approximately six inch high worth of dead bees on the >bottom super. its an apparent stampede to the entrance. I still have not >found the queen. I'm hoping she is still alive. More likely they suffocated. You can't close up a strong hive. They HAVE to fly. >how the hay do pro beekeepers transport the hives without having such a >disaster? I just give them a puff of smoke (at any time when bees are not flying) and set them on the truck. I NEVER close the entrances. I've often seen hobbyists close up hives with duct tape for moving, and suffocate them the same way. As long as the truck keeps moving, the bees will not fly. And they will get air, which they desperately need. Another possibility strikes my mind. Did you actually look at the brood when you say this was a strong hive? Or did you just see a lot of frenzied flight at the entrance. Whenever you see a lot of flight at the entrance in late winter, look to see if they are bringing in pollen. If so, it is a strong hive. If no pollen on the bees, they may well be robbing out a dead or weak hive. You can reduce the entrance to a very small one that is more easily defended, but it may be too late by the time you see robbing. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green He