From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue Mar 2 21:22:22 EST 1999 Article: 15996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ammonia for propolis Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Mar 1999 02:13:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36D9D6D8.2A392A93@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <19990228211300.15428.00001811@ng98.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15996 Amonnia reacts chemically with wax and propolis. As far as I know alcohol only disolves propolis. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From Griffes@my-dejanews.com Tue Mar 2 21:22:23 EST 1999 Article: 15997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: one or two Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 03:21:04 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7b7oaq$g9r$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7b4srt$2os$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.28 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Feb 27 03:21:04 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15997 In article <7b4srt$2os$1@news.ipa.net>, "R & S Adams" wrote: > I was wondering how other beekeepers feel about one brood box or two? Some > pros and cons would bee nice R.P. Adams Three Deeps beat Two and Two beats One for overwintering. IMO multiple Mediums beat multiple Deeps for overwintering - Three or (better yet) Four Mediums is my recommendation. And a fringe benefit is - they aren't as heavy so your back will thank you - plus you can have "just one size" of equipment. Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From bill_daniels@bellsouth.net Tue Mar 2 21:22:24 EST 1999 Article: 15998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news3.mco.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36D81D39.7FB4FCF3@bellsouth.net> From: "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buckfast for beginner? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:28:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-209-214-198-8.mem.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:28:44 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15998 Do the characteristics of buckfast bees make them appropriate for a beginning beekeeper? Are any of the hybrids better for beginners than regular Italians? I don't think I will want to use any bees that tend to gum things up with propolis since I will probably be tentative opening the hive and moving things around anyway. Any suggestions? Bill Daniels From furges@rica.net Tue Mar 2 21:22:24 EST 1999 Article: 15999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36DA161F.8397AECD@rica.net> From: Thomas Furgeson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring Feeding Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------85C91E81ADADB96F9FADD3B3" Lines: 33 Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:22:56 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.1.108.122 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 920262271 208.1.108.122 (Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:24:31 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:24:31 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15999 --------------85C91E81ADADB96F9FADD3B3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm coming out of my first winter with 3 hives started in 98, thought I left my hives with plenty of store, but I'm concerned they might be running low. I'd really appreciate any response to the following: What is a good, nutritious pre-flow food that I can mix up and give them until flow begins? Is suagr syrup adequate? Also, regarding a pollen substitute: there is mention of such a sub in Dadant's primer, but one of the ingredients is 'animal-type brewer's yeast' (is this just feed-grade stuff?), and the other is 'expeller-processed' soybean flour. Any takers? Thanks for any respnse. Tom --------------85C91E81ADADB96F9FADD3B3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm coming out of my first winter with 3 hives started in 98, thought I left my hives with plenty of store, but I'm concerned they might be running low. I'd really appreciate
any response to the following: What is a good, nutritious pre-flow food that I can mix up and give them until flow begins? Is suagr syrup adequate? Also, regarding a pollen substitute: there is mention of such a sub in Dadant's primer, but one of the ingredients is 'animal-type brewer's yeast' (is this just feed-grade stuff?), and the other is 'expeller-processed' soybean flour. Any takers? Thanks for any respnse. Tom --------------85C91E81ADADB96F9FADD3B3-- From lauramleek@aol.com Tue Mar 2 21:22:25 EST 1999 Article: 16000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Proposal - What I have Learned Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Mar 1999 05:16:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7bbvje$s6a$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19990301001642.02058.00001832@ng29.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16000 Well, gee beeguy, I was gonna post a message letting Laser guy know he forgot to remove the spam trap in your address. That your address is working just great but since you have now insulted me because I have an AOL address. To hell with ya! Been on the web over 5 years, have aol because I am trying to teach a Woman 72 yrs. young how to go online and I thought AOL would be the easist to start with. OH Well! Laura From honey.road@sympatico.ca Tue Mar 2 21:22:26 EST 1999 Article: 16001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36D97B5B.856583AF@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage - http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding References: <36DA161F.8397AECD@rica.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------239DDBCB04C77A425F10A72F" Lines: 56 Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:22:37 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.136 X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 920265873 206.172.183.136 (Mon, 01 Mar 1999 00:24:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 00:24:33 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16001 --------------239DDBCB04C77A425F10A72F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Thomas, I'm in the same boat your in, 3 hives started last year. Locals recomed using a 2:1 syrup to start, and then continue with 1:1 >from their on in. But watch, and make sure you don't over feed, as if the bees fill to much of the available cells, they might swarm. As far as the pollen sub goes, if the bees are flying, watch them and see if they are bringing any pollen in. I was helping a local last year in late march, and they were already finding pollen, by the load full. Allen B. Thomas Furgeson wrote: > I'm coming out of my first winter with 3 hives started in 98, thought > I left my hives with plenty of store, but I'm concerned they might be > running low. I'd really appreciate > any response to the following: What is a good, nutritious pre-flow > food that I can mix up and give them until flow begins? Is suagr syrup > adequate? Also, regarding a pollen substitute: there is mention of > such a sub in Dadant's primer, but one of the ingredients is > 'animal-type brewer's yeast' (is this just feed-grade stuff?), and the > other is 'expeller-processed' soybean flour. Any takers? Thanks for > any respnse. Tom --------------239DDBCB04C77A425F10A72F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Thomas, I'm in the same boat your in, 3 hives started last year.  Locals recomed using a 2:1 syrup to start, and then continue with 1:1 from their on in.  But watch, and make sure you don't over feed, as if the bees fill to much of the available cells, they might swarm.  As far as the pollen sub goes,  if the bees are flying, watch them and see if they are bringing any pollen in.  I was helping a local last year in late march, and they were already finding pollen, by the load full.

Allen B.

Thomas Furgeson wrote:

 I'm coming out of my first winter with 3 hives started in 98, thought I left my hives with plenty of store, but I'm concerned they might be running low. I'd really appreciate
any response to the following: What is a good, nutritious pre-flow food that I can mix up and give them until flow begins? Is suagr syrup adequate? Also, regarding a pollen substitute: there is mention of such a sub in Dadant's primer, but one of the ingredients is 'animal-type brewer's yeast' (is this just feed-grade stuff?), and the other is 'expeller-processed' soybean flour. Any takers? Thanks for any respnse. Tom
--------------239DDBCB04C77A425F10A72F-- From cde049@airmail.net Tue Mar 2 21:22:26 EST 1999 Article: 16002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!worldfeed.news.gte.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Now What? Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:25:12 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 23 Message-ID: <26358145164134D7.DD2D84920587F1A5.8657E064A9F6692D@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7bef37$bh9@library.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon Mar 1 10:26:15 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !\PoI1k-XEmT)Mq (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16002 I have assembled and painted (only the out side of my hive boxes, light tanish color made up of my neighbors professional exterior left overs) my new hives, using glue and screws one in each box joint. I have assembled all 100 frames, installed the wire eyelets, and installed Dadant wired foundation in 40 of them , Saving the rest till needed. I have wire to hold the foundation in place. Now how do I install it? I have painted the bottom boards and have them on cinderblocks to keep them off the ground. Should I use one course or two of blocks, or should I build a wooden frame to hold two or three hives higher off the ground? No large mammals (except neighbor hood kids) but lots of skunks (not to be confused with neighborhood kids), and Armadillos (they don't all sleep on the sides of the roads.) The old hive boxes have been in sight for two years now and everyone on the block thinks I have had bees all that time, Even got some complaints about bees took that neighbor and showed her the boxes didn't even have frames in them. (she has been real nice since.) Saw some three banded bees working dandelions yesterday, Still a month before my single level full sized nuc boxes arrive. Can hardly wait. Is there anything else besides reading that I should do till then? Cliff From apipop@club-internet.fr Tue Mar 2 21:22:27 EST 1999 Article: 16003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!WCG!198.6.0.215!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "Jean-Claude Treyvaud" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:33:53 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7b9odm$mvr$1@front1.grolier.fr> References: <01be5872$6bc2d800$de5654ce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: montpellier-1-223.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 920151286 23547 195.36.180.223 (27 Feb 1999 21:34:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 1999 21:34:46 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16003 According to informations given by Jos Guth at the Beekeeping French National Congress held in Dijon France (oct. 98), a minimum of 20 ml must be evaporated per day. Over 40 ml during sunny hot days was not damaging to the Queen. I red these info from the French Bee Magazine (l'Abeille de France) dated Jan. 1999. I presume 60 percent solution was used (sold in beekeeping stores). Regards. marcelo schueck a écrit dans le message <01be5872$6bc2d800$de5654ce@default>... >I would like to know how much formic acid must evaporate per day to be >effective against Varroa. > Marcelo Schuck >apis@entelchile.net From bill.greenrose@valley.net Tue Mar 2 21:22:28 EST 1999 Article: 16004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in2.uu.net!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast for beginner? Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 19:28:55 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 39 Message-ID: <36D88DC7.937AF469@valley.net> References: <36D81D39.7FB4FCF3@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-106.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16004 bill_daniels@bellsouth.net wrote: > Do the characteristics of buckfast bees make them appropriate for a > beginning beekeeper? Are any of the hybrids better for beginners than > regular Italians? I don't think I will want to use any bees that tend > to gum things up with propolis since I will probably be tentative > opening the hive and moving things around anyway. > > Any suggestions? > > Bill Daniels greetings, i started with buckfasts two years ago, and i really like them: very hard working, even in relatively cool weather and very gentle. in two years i've been stung once, and that was when i was mowing the lawn, not paying attention, and walked into their flight path. poor girl flew right into my face by accident. i worked that same hive a couple of hours later, and they were as gentle as usual. in that same time frame, i've been stung by yellow jackets 3 times, while working my garden or mowing the lawn. maybe that's why i take a small measure of satisfaction, when i see the girls clobber a yj that's dumb enough to try and gain entry into one of their hives. just a small measure though; yj's have their place in the scheme of things, too. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bs137588@skynet.be Tue Mar 2 21:22:28 EST 1999 Article: 16005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!aruba.odu.edu!reznor.larc.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.ecrc.net!skynet.be!poster!not-for-mail From: "FM" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking 4 Links Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:17:57 +0100 Organization: Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Message-ID: <7b99d9$51j$1@news1.skynet.be> References: <7b7oaf$8ij$1@duke.telepac.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup142.namur.skynet.be X-Trace: news1.skynet.be 920135913 5171 195.238.8.142 (27 Feb 1999 17:18:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 1999 17:18:33 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16005 See a site about Beekeeping in Belgium: http://users.skynet.be/urrw best regards. From redjasper9@aol.com Tue Mar 2 21:22:29 EST 1999 Article: 16006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: redjasper9@aol.com (Redjasper9) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: used hives Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Feb 1999 12:11:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990228071159.17380.00001311@ng09.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16006 Thanks for the info on used hives. They are questionable so I ordered new frames. Steve From beespamguy@NOTearthlink.net Tue Mar 2 21:22:30 EST 1999 Article: 16007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!aruba.odu.edu!reznor.larc.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!basement From: beespamguy@NOTearthlink.net (Mushroom) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protecting hive Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 08:01:02 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Feb 28 00:05:22 1999 References: <4VnB2.8984$po.3923@c01read02.service.talkway.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Posted-Path-Was: basement Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002inindip179.dialsprint.net X-ELN-Date: 28 Feb 1999 08:01:06 GMT Message-ID: <7bat42$mto$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16007 In article <4VnB2.8984$po.3923@c01read02.service.talkway.com>, "jmichaelr" wrote: > >My daughter is moving onto a mountain tract in western NC. She wants >to move her hive onto the property, but has found some bear tracks on >the property. Is there a way to electrically fence in the hive to keep >bears from raiding it? Is there some other way to protect the hive? Yes, and I believe if you talk to ( or look at ) Brushy Mountian they will be able to point you towards a fence elctifier OR a alam system for scareing off animals. From ian@hodkinson.force9.co.uk Tue Mar 2 21:22:31 EST 1999 Article: 16008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet-feed1!btnet!landlord!wards.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "ogg" Subject: Re: Drone Foundation Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <36D96139.354AB050@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <01be6341$0fd390a0$5282a6c3@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 17:42:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.166.130.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: wards 920223734 195.166.130.82 (Sun, 28 Feb 1999 17:42:14 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 17:42:14 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16008 John Brackman wrote in article <36D96139.354AB050@fidnet.com>... > Does anybody know of a source of foundation pre-printed for drone brood? > Although requests have suddenly increased, (I assume due to that drone > brood-varroa study) the fellows at Dadant were not making it. I'm sure they do > http://www.thorne.co.uk ogg From agriscan@hotmail.com Tue Mar 2 21:22:31 EST 1999 Article: 16009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!duke.telepac.pt!news.telepac.pt!not-for-mail From: "João Rocha" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking 4 Links Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:20:33 -0000 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7bfm09$hdv$1@duke.telepac.pt> References: <7b7oaf$8ij$1@duke.telepac.pt> <7b99d9$51j$1@news1.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.65.206.138 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16009 thank you for your contribution. João Rocha From jim@newsguy.com Tue Mar 2 21:22:32 EST 1999 Article: 16010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!nntp.ntr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!edrn From: jim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Minimalist Honey Processing? Date: 1 Mar 1999 19:35:54 -0800 Organization: Extra Newsguy News Service [http://extra.newsguy.com] Lines: 136 Message-ID: <7bfmaq$jev@edrn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-810.newsdawg.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16010 I have yet to extract honey. I am planning to do start this season. I am trying to do this "on a budget", and need some opinions and sage-like advice. There are a number of steps that appear to be "essential" to the large-scale honeyhouse, but are skipped by many of the (smaller) old-timers. In contrast, some old timers have sumps the size of hot-tubs, and motorized extractors that remind me of the early Mercury one-man spacecraft. I am torn by the multiple approaches. I can implement a simple gravity-feed system, since I have the luxury of space (a old small-scale farm creamery from the 1920s) that can be dedicated to the operation. I need neither pumps nor sumps. I even have hot/cold water, large sinks, lots of counter space, and nice white tile everywhere! What would be the simplest and lowest-capital approach to the following, or which, in your personal experience, are non-essential for processing of extracted honey and packaging for a small-scale (under a dozen hives) beekeeper who might go to 20 hives at most? 1) Heating The Extractor. There seems to be a fixation on "120 degrees F" on "heat" issues, and I can see the advantages of helping the honey to flow faster. Given that I have a brand-new stainless steel 9-frame radial extractor, I wonder what solutions others have found to avoid paying the high price of a "pro-grade" heater. 2) Moisture-Content Reduction. Yes, I can run a dehumidifier 24 x 7 in season, but what ambient room relative humidity would be best for the processing of extracted honey? An A/C unit would also remove much moisture from the air, but the trade-off would be a lower room temperature, which would make more work for any honey heater of any type. Since honey, when opened by the eater, will likely attain the ambient humidity within hours or days once the bottle is opened, to what purpose do I attempt to control either the humidity of the processing area OR the moisture content of the honey? 3) Moisture-Content Measurement. Ouch. Roughly $120 to $350 for a honey refractometer. How to do this without laying out so much money? Does any small-timer EVER pay off their capital investment? Old-timers certainly never had these gizmos, was their honey sometimes substandard as a result? 4) Heating For Clairifying. Once again, I can see the advantages of heating at the filtration stage (I will use the "stacked plastic buckets" approach, since this allows the use of low cost 5-gal plastic buckets for the interim storage and bottling steps, and even allows low cost "parallel processing" with multiple bottomless filter buckets. Brushy Mountain sells a heater for this purpose - what do others use? 5) Heating In General. There seem to be multiple schools of thought. Some suggest NO heating, or the minimum needed to get honey to move on a cool night or day, some want to get the honey to 120 degrees as a way to increase shelf life and reduce crystalization. My goal is to "turn around" filled supers same-day and thus minimize super/frame counts, so I cannot simply stack filled supers up and "wait for a warm day". 6) Honey Gates/Honey Valves. The plastic honey gates suggested for plastic buckets are nearly identical to the plastic gate on my extractor. These look fine for open/close/on/off control, but I fear a mess when bottling caused by a less than perfect user (that would be me) trying to close the gate without overfilling the bottle, and overflowing. Is there an inexpensive version of the metal valves sold by the usual suspects (Dadant, Brushy Mtn, Mann Lake) for bottling? 7) Uncapping Mess Reduction. I am an engineer by trade, so I sat down and designed what I thought would be a good approach to "uncapping". I was both surprised and delighted to see the "Hackler Punch" in Brushy Mtn's catalog, since this was an even simpler version of what I had sketched in my notepad during a boring meeting. Has anyone used this device? Opinions? It seems "clear" to me that this would be much less "destructive" of comb, and result in a faster turn-around from filled frames, to extraction, and back to the bee yard, hence to be filled again. If this device works as claimed, why has it not obsoleted the uncapping knife? 8) Winter Storage Of Supers. I was thinking of inspecting the heck out of each and every frame, adding the anti-moth compound dujour, and wrapping a shoulder-high stack of supers/frames in the clear plastic "saran wrap" used on loading docks to wrap around boxes on a pallet. The mammals would be held at bay by bottoms/tops of stacks, the plastic is to keep our bees' insect friends away. Comments? Sorry if these questions are too basic, too long, or too silly. Cutting up comb was so simple and equipment-free, all I needed was a few cookie sheets! ------- Also, what is the impact velocity of a typical bee against the interior of a "Big Johnson Bee Vac" when one uses such a device? I have several vacumn cleaners with different motor sizes, ranging from a Dirt-Devil to a serious shop-vac, and wonder if anyone has used this device, and has a suggestion as to min/max vacumn-cleaner horsepower or amperage. There is a swarm in the walls of a friend's house, and we can borrow a long "in the wall" vacumn hose from yet another neighbor, but I would rather not kill the bees when removing them. 
 


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If you saw the drawings of shaft mechanism for reception waxed or to
make shaft?

Please e-mail me.




From adamf@vt.edu Tue Mar  2 21:22:33 EST 1999
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In article <7b6kmi$g0j$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,   wrote:
>
>C'mon Adam... Share.

Okay. Pardon my delay.

If you read the following first:

Harbo and Harris. 1988. Selecting honey bees (Hymenoptera: Apidae) in the
United States that express resistance to _Varroa jacobsoni_ (Mesostigmata:
Varroidae). Journal of Economic Entomology. 90: 893-898.

Harbo, J.R. et al. 1997. Evaluating honey bees for resistance to varroa
mites: procedures and results. American Bee Journal. 137: 223-224.

Harbo and Harris. 1998. Selecting honey bees for suppression of the
reproduction of _Varroa jacobsoni_. American Bee Journal. 138: 295-296.


You'll get the background for the newer articles in press that Dr.
Harbo is publishing. He and his colleagues have shown that selecting for
certain phenotypes that show tolerance to varroa's parasitism, is feasible
(via acceptable heritability indexes) and that via selective breeding,
the traits that make these desirable phenotypes, can be enhanced.

Since Harbo hasn't officially published this work yet, I'll defer to him
and not cite the work, but look for a citation from me here as soon as the
articles are actually published.

How do I get to know this you might ask? Well I work for the USDA and so
does Dr. Harbo. :)

Adam
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In article <7bbvje$s6a$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
Mushroom  wrote:
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> And aol accounts are an indication of the the clueless.
> I wasn't asking for your critique of my privacy concerns, simply if the 
>information may be welcome. So now drag your mouse over to 'delete' and go 
>away, welcome to my killfile. 
>

Wow. You've won the first public killfile award in this newsgroup.
Adam
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As a queen breeder I use drone foundation because I need a large number of
drones
It is available for a short time only through betterbee (518)692-9669 but is
is rather expensive ($20.00 for 10 sheets)  they tell me that when they sell
out that they will not carry it anymore.

Good luck
Donald

________________

John Brackman wrote:

> Does anybody know of a source of foundation pre-printed for drone brood?
> Although requests have suddenly increased, (I assume due to that drone
> brood-varroa study) the fellows at Dadant were not making it.



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countrymeadow@ibm.net wrote:
> 
> I was inspecting my hives this weekend and found one hive queenless. I
> do not have a queen to place in the hive. What is there to do? I did
> move a frame with eggs for one of the other hives. My fear is that if
> they raise a queen will she be able to mate? 
> The second issue is when to super. 

Hi Garland,

As far as being queenless this early in the season.  Short of trying to
order a queen from a southern breeder.  I think you did all you could.
If you get think things are getting worse you could also try uniting the
colonies. If the warm weather keeps up and the food is coming in.   I
place a super on the hive immediatly after I remove the Apistan and I
try to get it in the hives as early as I can.  I think Aaron is right
"super now".
-- 
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A month or so ago I asked the group for some recommendations to a hobbyist
wanting to try rearing some queens. The goal of the exercise is primarily
for the educational value but also to produce some queens for some splits.
Thanks to all that provided lots of useful information.

Here is a brief update:

I began stimulative feeding with 1:1 sugar syrup Feb 1st. In the almost 4
weeks since then, brood rearing has taken off and lots of bright yellow
pollen has been coming in. Inspection last weekend revealed lots of sealed
frames in the "breeder" hive, but few drone emerged or sealed. This hive
has also been extremely productive and gentle. The other hive contained
less sealed brood but lots of emerged drones and sealed drone brood. This
hive contains my oldest frames (7th year) which I suppose accounts in some
measure for the drones. There was also allot if ladder comb between the 2
deeps stuffed with drones.

OK, so lots protein, good stores, adequate weather (mid 60's), and lots of
drones that will be sexually mature by the time any new queens are ready to
mate.

Today I put a Miller frame in the top deep of into the breeder hive above a
queen excluder. Still feeding 1:1 syrup. The drone source colony got a 3rd
deep with foundation because I thought they were looking a little crowded
and maybe gearing up to produce some queen cells for swarming.

I'll check the Miller frame next weekend to see if it has been laid up.

BTW Jack, my idea to put the queen cells sandwiched between frames of
pollen and honey didn't come from Taber. It was Laidlaw, but I think now he
was speaking of swarm boxes. At any rate your comment made me chuckle and
I'll go with a brood sandwich!
 -- 
Geo
Honey is sweet, but the bee stings.
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From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Mar  3 13:05:22 EST 1999
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#7  The Hackler Honey Punch
What a piece of garbage clogs with wax requires a pot of hot water is slow etc.
An uncapping fork is worlds better.


Tom



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   There must be some practicle use for a Hackler Punch - I just have yet to
find it in the beekeeping field..
IMO the least comb damage is a cappings fork. 


Tom



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Some smart ideas, Pascal, thanks for sharing. "Dry honey"? I never 
thought of that before. Is "dry honey" where your process reaches the 
point where the container doesn't lose any more weight, at step #6 in 
your process?
Since you work closely with the comb, Pascal, you probably carefully 
select only the pieces of comb with capped honey, right? If you select 
only capped comb for processing don't you automatically get dry honey? I 
thought the wet honey resulted when the beekeepers would spin a frame 
when the frame had capped honey but also where there were many areas of 
the frame where the cells were filled with nectar so that the resulting 
product was mixed with significant amounts of nectar?



In article <36DC1581.78F01D1A@globetrotter.net>, 
pascal66@globetrotter.net says...
> jim wrote:
> 
> > 3) Moisture-Content Measurement. Ouch. Roughly $120 to $350 for a honey refractometer. How to do this without laying out so much money? Does any small-timer EVER pay off their capital investment? Old-timers certainly never had these gizmos, was their honey sometimes substandard as a result?
> >
> I use an old dual plate balance and little weights (payed CAN$30,00 in a
> fleemarket but allow precision around 1 gr.).
> 
>    (1). weight a standard mason jar precisely.
>     (2).put 1 Kilogramme (or any standard weight that fill the jar, the
> most you brings in, the most precise your measurement will be)
>     (3). bring tht mason jar in your oven and then start the oven at LOW
> level and maintain it epon (I place a forke in the door)
>     (4).3 hours later, weight the mason jar and bring in back in the
> oven.
>     (5).1 hours later, weight it again. If the weight has changed more
> than 1 gr, run operation (5) again.
>     (6). the last weight you obtain is the one you use for the
> calculation:
> 
>                 weight dry (6) - mason jar (1)
>                 ____________________________ X 100 = % humidity
>                 weight wet (2) - mason jar (1)
> 
>     as your weight are in grammes and as you weight at less 1 Kilogramme
> of honey, your precision is 1 for 1000, that means 0.1% of humidity
>     for sure, you need to use the same unity for every weight.
>     and also a metallic jar is better than a mason jar (I use an old
> coffee pot)
> 
> I use the balance to weight the honey I sold so it's not dedicated.
> I use the dry honey mixed with some water, butter eggs and flour to do a
> good cake.
> I must confess that as I'm a very small beekeeper, I mix all my
> production in one container for clarification (never heat my honey), and
> I just have to do one measurement. I think this method will not be
> useful for medium or large scale beekeepers.
> 
> I never encountered any problem with this method, but if something wrong
> reply me.
> 
> 
> thanks . PASCAL
> 


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When sowing clover, do not fail to use
innoculate.  It comes in small bags,
and is mixed with the clover seed before
it is mixed with sand (the common approach
to hand-sowing).

All legumes need an innoculate, but only
for the first seeding if you want to get
technical.  Subsequent seedings do not 
really require it, but the cost is so 
small that it is cheap insurance to use
it every time.

A seed-and-feed store or farm co-op would be 
much cheaper than the various mail-order houses, 
even if you had to drive a long distance to get
there.  (20 pounds of seed weighs uhhh, 20 pounds,
and shipping is not cheap!)  I would also hesitate 
to trust seed that was sold by anyone other than a 
true feed-and-seed.

I would suggest 3-4 pounds of seed per acre, but
I am often described as only a "sow-sow" farmer.

In the Northeast, Agway is great.  In the
Southeast, Southern States is the place to go.
In a pinch, look for someone selling farm equipment
or even a "garden center", and ask for the name
of the "seed and feed sales agent" for the area.

Any random feed store is sure to have both Ladino
and White Dutch seed in stock.  Monoculture is
a dumb idea, so toss at least two different kinds.

Soil treatment may not be required at all, and a 
good (free) test is to look for existing clover.  
If you have/had some clover now/last year, then
your soil is, by definition  OK, since it grew 
and thrived without any help from you or the 
"multinational agribusiness-industrial complex".

Another hint.  Seed may be cheaper by the
(for clover, 50 pound) bag, but if you will
not sow all it THIS year, pay the few extra
pennies per pound to buy only what you need.  
Germination rates drop like a rock when seed 
is more than a year old, and proper storage of 
seed is a science in itself.  Mention that you 
are sowing for bees, and you just might get the 
"bag" price on a smaller quantity.  Farmers know 
the score on bees.  You are their only hope.

I also like to ask about ear tags if a new 
man is working the order desk.  He will show 
you (of course) ear tags for cattle, goats, 
sheep, etc.  Tell him you need much smaller 
ear tags.  He will ask why.  Tell him that
they are for your bees.  It can take a full 30
seconds for this to sink in, but the result is
gratifying.


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AOL user here and also a beekeeper.

Have to agree on the Walter Kelly book
"How to keep bees and sell honey"
Much good information for five bucks.
Excepting the latest disease and mite info most beginner questions are covered
quite well.



Tom



There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com


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FWIW, I missed one of the spam traps of the two I guess. I do about 20 emails
every day, and that leaves little time to play games with addresses. Spam is
insignificant compared to my regular volume, so I don't even consider it worth
worrying about.   
 AOL is basicly free for me. Only an idiot would expect me to turn that down.
Chuck


>Well, gee beeguy, I was gonna post a message  letting Laser guy know he
>forgot
>to remove the spam trap in your address. That your address is working just
>great but since you have now insulted me because I have an AOL address. To
>hell
>with ya! Been on the web over 5 years, have aol because I am trying to teach
>a
>Woman 72 yrs. young how to go online and I thought AOL would be the easist to
>start with.  OH Well!
>
>Laura
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From htho@se.bel.alcatel.be Thu Mar  4 11:21:02 EST 1999
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Hello,

A friend of mine is looking for the following papers :

1. "Strictly for the hobbyist : American foulbrood and its control"
    Author : Delaplane.-K.S.
    Am-bee-j. Hamilton,IL.:American Bee Journal. June 1998.
    v.138(6) p.431-433

2. "Laboratory and field studies on the effects of the antibiotic
    tylosin on honey bee Apis mellifera L. (Hymenoptera:Apidae)
    development and prevention of American foulbrood disease.
    Author : Peng,-C.Y.S.;Mussen,-E;Fong,-A.;Cheng,-P;Wong,-G;
    Montague,-M.A.

There must be a good soul on this list who is willing to help me.

TIA 

Hugo (the half-a-bee)
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From: Aleksandr Sukhinin 

>If you saw the drawings of shaft mechanism for reception waxed or to
>make shaft?
>
>Please e-mail me.

Ummmmmm.....

Could you please run that by again (please explain). ??????

We don't understand what you mean.




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either


Tom



There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com


From shuston@riverace.com Thu Mar  4 11:21:04 EST 1999
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Hi,

This will be my first year keeping bees.  I got some used equipment from
an older beekeeper (he says there's no foubrood in there - mites were
the culprit).  Anyway, one of the hive bodies has some rotted wood on a
couple of corners.  I've read you can cut out the rot and nail some new
wood in there.  I was wondering, though, would patching the space with
some newfangled filler like epoxy work?  Would the bees dislike it?

Thanks!

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We have exprimented with the theroy that varroa is attracted by a higher
temperature, therefore you lower the temp. in the enviroment through
natural conditions -shade, placing at different angle in relation to the
sun, and at the same time create an screened -using a screen- area where
the varroa will be attracted.
The tools starts with a simple electronic incubator -ie. for canary
eggs- and becomes more sofisticated as you depurate and adapt... Does
not need of Personal Computer, just a simple dialer that you can
increase the temp of the incubator.
The level of moisture in the environment it is quite helpful. So you can
add a moisture sensor.
And finally a Personal Computer (from 386 up) could control hundreds of
this devices establishing the temperature of the environment, moisture,
and container environment and triggering the frying process.

The electronic temperature sensors are inside and in the miniature
incubator... the automatic starts when certain conditions are meet:
time, quantity...

Beekeper for a hobby,


Mario Duchi escribió:
> 
> Hi group..
>     I'm an Italian electronics technichian & a beekeeper (for hobby) , I've
> developed something with a microprocessor an a handfull of other components
> (not telling you what but how it works) that does 2 jobs.
> 1) suffocates varroa
> 2) attracts it where I want it.
> 
> I'm still testing it but seems like it works...
> No pesticides, no poisons, works with 24v battery
> 
> If anybody (companies) is interrested let me know..
> 
> Mario Duchi
> Trento, Italy
> duchimario@valsugana.com
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From Griffes@my-dejanews.com Thu Mar  4 11:21:05 EST 1999
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In article <19990224185946.23722.00002729@ng116.aol.com>,
  hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote:
> >What advice would you give to a person in vermont just starting out with
> >a couple of packages of bees and reading all I can...I'm starting to get
> >scarred with all these notices of their bees dying. and all these
> >diseases!!!
> >Molly
>
>Kevin's advice:
> READn  READn READ
> YOU'RE on the rite track !!!
> Hang @ here alot too !!

which is very good advice to which I add this


Molly since you live in Vermont take the time to get with Kirk Webster in
Middlebury, VT and "see if" he will let ya attend his annual Beekeeping
Workshop he holds "for his customers."	Kirk has a good system worked out
that allows him to make up ALL his own losses plus sell his extra nucs and
Summer Queens while staying firmly planted in Vermont - as per he don't
migrate.  Fact is if ya still can (likely too late already) I would get nucs
>from  Kirk also.

Contact me via my hotmail address below for Kirk's address.


Jack Griffes    jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com
Country Jack's Honeybee Farm
Onsted, MI
USA
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From duchimario@valsugana.com Thu Mar  4 11:21:06 EST 1999
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Hi group..
    I'm an Italian electronics technichian & a beekeeper (for hobby) , I've
developed something with a microprocessor an a handfull of other components
(not telling you what but how it works) that does 2 jobs.
1) suffocates varroa
2) attracts it where I want it.

I'm still testing it but seems like it works...
No pesticides, no poisons, works with 24v battery

If anybody (companies) is interrested let me know..

Mario Duchi
Trento, Italy
duchimario@valsugana.com







From adamf@vt.edu Thu Mar  4 11:21:07 EST 1999
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In article <36D691DA.565B@juno.com>, tomas mozer   wrote:
>
>========================================================================
>Dr. Malcolm (Tom) Sanford, Extension Apiculturist, University of Florida
>Bldg. 970, P.O. Box 110620, Gainesville, FL 32611-0620
>Ph. 352/392-1801 ext. 143   Fax 352/392-0190
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Thanks for posting the _Apis_ article. I tried long ago to get Sanford to
post the issues here, but he basically ignored me. Then I posted _Apis_ for
awhile, but it's easier to just point to the URL. I appreciate your taking
the time to post  the relevant article. 

A nugget of net beekeeping history: back in 1992 or so I was attending a
national honey bee inspector meeting in Beltsville, MD and Sanford was
there giving a presentation on internet resources for beekeepers. He had
a real hard time getting his laptop to connect to the net. I heard him
talking to another "official" beekeeping person about the internet needing
to be controlled because there were "too many loose cannons" out there.

Funny.
:-)

Adam 

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Does any one know of a foolproof way to disenfect used frames.  I
aquired a lot of used equipment but am reluctant to use the frames.  I
have no history on the hives.  I have already burned about half, they
were broken or chewed up by animals.  I hate to throw away good
equipment.
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From davmc@nbnet.nb.ca Thu Mar  4 11:21:08 EST 1999
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Does anyone know of a good source of information on collection, methods,
traps, cleaning, processing, etc of pollen from honey bees on the net or
other? David McKinney, Fredericton NB


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Adam Finkelstein wrote:

> In article <7bbvje$s6a$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> Mushroom  wrote:
> >
> > And aol accounts are an indication of the the clueless.
> > I wasn't asking for your critique of my privacy concerns, simply if the
> >information may be welcome. So now drag your mouse over to 'delete' and go
> >away, welcome to my killfile.
> >
>
> Wow. You've won the first public killfile award in this newsgroup.
> Adam

oh, adam.  did you saute the shroom?

bill

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From: Steve Huston 

>This will be my first year keeping bees.  I got some used equipment from
>an older beekeeper (he says there's no foubrood in there - mites were
>the culprit).  Anyway, one of the hive bodies has some rotted wood on a
>couple of corners.  I've read you can cut out the rot and nail some new
>wood in there.  I was wondering, though, would patching the space with
>some newfangled filler like epoxy work?  Would the bees dislike it?

   If it's cured, the bees won't care. Pretty expensive patch though.....

   Actually people are a lot more fussy about bee equipment than the bees. The
important thing for them is to have a good roof that doesn't leak. A little
side ventilation is a plus, unless the hive is weak and can't defend against
robbers.

    The only real good reason for keeping perfectly tight equipment is if you
are moving bees often from honey crop to honey crop, or for pollination. It's
not fun to grab a handful of bees.


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From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Mon Mar  8 09:23:41 EST 1999
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"Larry S. Farris"  wrote:
>How Buckfast are the Weaver's "Buckfast" nowadays?

Good question.  Without continuous genetic improvement, most organisms
revert back to their less desirable natural types.  With continued
selection, it may be a better bee, but perhaps not exactly "Buckfast".

In any case, the Buckfast does not produce as well as a good Italian
strain in Texas, in my opinion.

-John
   

John Caldeira
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In article <36D81D39.7FB4FCF3@bellsouth.net>,
  "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net"  wrote:
> Do the characteristics of buckfast bees make them appropriate for a
> beginning beekeeper?  Are any of the hybrids better for beginners than
> regular Italians?  I don't think I will want to use any bees that tend
> to gum things up with propolis since I will probably be tentative
> opening the hive and moving things around anyway.

Yes Buckfast is a fine choice for a bee-ginner.  They are tracheal mite
resistant which means you only need treat for Varroa mites.

I have yet to see any bees here in the USA that totally fail to use propolis.
Some are more propolis oriented than others though.

Perhaps the most important thing for a bee-ginner though is NOT what strain of
bee they start with but is that they start with two or three colonies - NOT
just one.  Extra credit if ya know why?

Jack Griffes    jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com
Country Jack's Honeybee Farm
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USA
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From roel.ten.klei@tip.nl Mon Mar  8 09:23:42 EST 1999
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Do anyone know of a good book with colored pictures of pollen

roel.ten.klei@tip.nl





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Peter Amschel wrote:

> Some smart ideas, Pascal, thanks for sharing. "Dry honey"? I never
> thought of that before. Is "dry honey" where your process reaches the
> point where the container doesn't lose any more weight, at step #6 in
> your process?
>

(1)Yes that true, when honey stop decresase in weight at step (6) of the method  (or step 7, 8, 9 dependig the time you're able to wait beetween the step), it's suppose to be at 0% of humidity, looking like brown granulated caramel (the lowest the oven is, less brown is the caramel and more longer
is the method but better is the cake). The security of that method is that at low temperature, the sugar can't evaporate and the portion of volatil compounds is negligeable in proportion with the amount of water (on my opinion)

Peter Amschel wrote:

Since you work closely with the comb, Pascal, you probably carefully
select only the pieces of comb with capped honey, right?

(2) definitely right, but I accept a piece of comb with less than 1/4 of the surface not capped


thanks for the discussion       PF



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>Now for anyone out thar tat hin't necessarily cultured enough to know
>already...
>DON'T DRINK THIS STUFF
>DON'T GET NONE ON YA
>

Oh please forgive my skills. Its been brought to my attention that I misspelled
a word in my last post.

Hain't   is spelled "  hain't " not  " hin't"



Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC

Home of  " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively
by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax.





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Mushroom wrote:

> In article <19990228113220.00964.00001072@ng-fc1.aol.com>, chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) wrote:
>
> >
> >Fake e-mail addresses inspire confidence as well   :)
> >Chuck
> >www.laserrevolutions.com
> >Laser Revolutions
> >Video-Home-Service Inc.
> >3108 23rd Ave.
> >Moline Illinois 61265
>
>  And aol accounts are an indication of the the clueless.
>  I wasn't asking for your critique of my privacy concerns, simply if the
> information may be welcome. So now drag your mouse over to 'delete' and go
> away, welcome to my killfile.

 Where have you folks been? The clueless aren't on AOL anymore, they all switched to WebTV!!!!!!!!!

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Mushroom wrote:

In article <19990228113220.00964.00001072@ng-fc1.aol.com>,
chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) wrote:


>

>Fake e-mail addresses inspire confidence as well   :)

>Chuck

>www.laserrevolutions.com

>Laser Revolutions

>Video-Home-Service Inc.

>3108 23rd Ave.

>Moline Illinois 61265


 And aol accounts are an indication of the the clueless.

 I wasn't asking for your critique of my privacy concerns, simply
if the

information may be welcome. So now drag your mouse over to 'delete'
and go

away, welcome to my killfile.

 Where have you folks been? The clueless aren't on AOL anymore, they
all switched to WebTV!!!!!!!!!

-- 
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In article <7bl5d4$gia$1@news.worldonline.nl>, roel ten klei
 writes
>Do anyone know of a good book with colored pictures of pollen
A Colour Guide to Pollen Loads of the Honey Bee 
By Dr J Kirk.
Listin 268 load colours in English, French and German

Try Northern Bee Books who mail worldwide

e-mail: jeremy@recordermail.demon.co.uk
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Tom S


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> I've  developed something with a microprocessor an a handfull of other
> components(not telling you what but how it works) that does 2 jobs.
> 1) suffocates varroa
> 2) attracts it where I want it.

Shouldn't that bee the other way around?  Or does it suffocate them anywhere
they happen to bee?

Allen

Oh, yes.  I am interested.

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> a (new?)item on which I would like opinions... The "Hackler Punch" is a
> roller on a handle, with    small spikes protruding from the roller. etc...

I have two here (used for 1/2 hour) and NO unreasonable OFFER WILL BEE
REFUSED.

They *might* work under some unknown conditions that I have not encountered in
25 years of very diverse commercial beekeeping.

Can't imagine what they might bee.

Allen



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From: jim 

>I also like to ask about ear tags if a new 
>man is working the order desk.  He will show 
>you (of course) ear tags for cattle, goats, 
>sheep, etc.  Tell him you need much smaller 
>ear tags.  He will ask why.  Tell him that
>they are for your bees.  It can take a full 30
>seconds for this to sink in, but the result is
>gratifying.

   Sounds like the day they chased me out of the hardware store. A bunch of
guys were asking about how we treated for mites, and I told them the treatment
was like a flea collar for dogs.....

    They wouldn't let me explain......




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I have heard that you can create a grease patty by adding sugar and
vegetable oil.  My question is do you use vegetable oil or shorting?




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cmbh71c@prodigy.com wrote:
> 
> you dont mean the lines that are in back of houses, right?

I'm certainly no expert, but I believe that most lines in the back of
houses in the US (the lines on towers) are 250kv.  The ones tested in
the article abstracted were 500kv.  Similar source, just not quite as
powerful.  Also the Russian lines are 50Hz, US is 60Hz.  You decide the
risk factors.  I'll stay away, thanks ;-)

> n article <36DBFB8B.148B@javanet.com>,
>   Richard Bonney  wrote:
> > The following is excerpted from a 1990 issue of my newsletter "The Aware
> > Beekeeper."
> >
> > Dick Bonney
> > rebonney@javanet.com
> >
> > > BEES AND HIGH VOLTAGE
> > >
> > >     Over the years there have been reports of adverse effects on mammals (including humans) from being housed or pastured under high voltage electric lines. Now [in 1990] a paper from Russia, "Ethological and physiological anomalies in honeybees caused by the action of high-voltage line electric fields", by E.K. Es'kov and N.I. Bragin, reports that there are adverse effects on bees. The paper is written in Russian but fortunately there is an English abstract, as follows:
> > >
> > >   Effects of electric fields (industrial frequencies) on honey bees were studied in the laboratory and under a high-voltage electric line (500 kv). Regulation of the brood nest microclimate was disturbed in exposed colonies and viability of embryos, larvae and adults was reduced. (Other adverse effects were noted.) Honey production was reduced. The effects were eliminated by moving the bees to a site at least 50 meters from the line, or by placing them under trees, or by covering hive tops with a layer of dirt.
> > >
> > > The right-of-way under a power line can be a temptation to a beekeeper who may be looking for a new site for a bee yard. It sounds as though this is a temptation to be resisted.
> > >
> > >             *  *  *  *  *
> >
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>ervice.talkway.com>
>"ltfishcop"  writes:
> 
>>
>>Does any one know of a foolproof way to disenfect used frames.
> 

I wish i could make a faq on this but since i use aol i guess i dont know what
one is.

Here in its entirety is the method i use, it has never failed me and the frames
come out looking almost new !!

Take ya a 50 gallon metal barrel with out a lid is better than with one.

Build ya a stand fer the barrel to sit on bout a foot high offen the ground.
Fix it where ya can build a rite big fire under that barrel.

Fill that barrel with water up to the last ring before the top, nuther words
bout a foot from the top.
Now pour in 4 boxes a lye while the water is cold, ifn ya waite till its hot
it'll blow up in ya face.

Get that lye water a boiling good, remove the wedges from ya frames then toss
the whole mess in thar bout 10 frames at the time, kinda stir em with a pitch
fork, ya take em out with that fork too. 
Leave em in thar bout 2 minutes is all it'll take
hit dissolves every bit a propolis and wax and leaves the wood clean as a babys
butt.
Now take em out and rinse em off with ya garden hose sprayer real good.

Let em dry a bout a day. Man they's light as a feather. Works wonderful on hive
bodies too. Just take an hold em under for a spell with ya pitch fork. Not only
will they be clean but most a the time it'll strip off old splintered paint
down to the wood.

Now for anyone out thar tat hin't necessarily cultured enough to know
already...
DON'T DRINK THIS STUFF
DON'T GET NONE ON YA

Oh yeah, i use a barrel wit one a them bolt back on lids, so all i has ta do is
add a little more water and lye next time i need it. A Barrel will last bout 3
years before the lye eats through it.

As always Ya'lls truely,


Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC

Home of  " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively
by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax.





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>Does any one know of a foolproof way to disenfect used frames.  I
>aquired a lot of used equipment but am reluctant to use the frames.  I
>have no history on the hives.  I have already burned about half, they
>were broken or chewed up by animals.  I hate to throw away good

 wish i could make a faq on this but since i use aol i guess i dont know what
one is.

Here in its entirety is the method i use, it has never failed me and the frames
come out looking almost new !!

Take ya a 50 gallon metal barrel with out a lid is better than with one.

Build ya a stand fer the barrel to sit on bout a foot high offen the ground.
Fix it where ya can build a rite big fire under that barrel.

Fill that barrel with water up to the last ring before the top, nuther words
bout a foot from the top.
Now pour in 4 boxes a lye while the water is cold, ifn ya waite till its hot
it'll blow up in ya face.

Get that lye water a boiling good, remove the wedges from ya frames then toss
the whole mess in thar bout 10 frames at the time, kinda stir em with a pitch
fork, ya take em out with that fork too. 
Leave em in thar bout 2 minutes is all it'll take
hit dissolves every bit a propolis and wax and leaves the wood clean as a babys
butt.
Now take em out and rinse em off with ya garden hose sprayer real good.

Let em dry a bout a day. Man they's light as a feather. Works wonderful on hive
bodies too. Just take an hold em under for a spell with ya pitch fork. Not only
will they be clean but most a the time it'll strip off old splintered paint
down to the wood.

Now for anyone out thar tat hin't necessarily cultured enough to know
already...
DON'T DRINK THIS STUFF
DON'T GET NONE ON YA

Oh yeah, i use a barrel wit one a them bolt back on lids, so all i has ta do is
add a little more water and lye next time i need it. A Barrel will last bout 3
years before the lye eats through it.

As always Ya'lls truely,


Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC

Home of  " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively
by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax.

Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC

Home of  " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively
by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax.





From rebonney@javanet.com Mon Mar  8 09:23:49 EST 1999
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I wrote an article for Bee Culture magazine, the February 1998 issue,
that addresses your question specifically. The article can be found in
the Bee Culture archives at:
	
Go to that web site and work your way through Bee Culture to Archives.

Dick Bonney
rebonney@javanet.com


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Yo Mike:

Did you see the article in today's Spokesman-Review on the emergency use
of Coumaphos for the control of varroa mites in Wash., Ore. & Ida. this
year?

If you're quick you can access it at
http://www.VirtuallyNW.com/news-story.asp?date=030599&ID=s540374 but
this URL is usually only good for the day of issue.

Our very own list member Jim Bach is even quoted in the article.  :-)

Skip

-- 
Skip and Christy Hensler
THE ROCK GARDEN
Newport, Wash.
http://www.povn.com/rock



From tomasmozer@juno.com Mon Mar  8 09:23:50 EST 1999
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visit this review of the varroa www hub:

http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/digital/1999/column7.htm

link to tektran database, search keyword "varroa":

7: SOME VOLATILE PLANT OILS AS POTENTIAL CONTROL AGENTS FOR VARROA MITES
  (ACARI: VARROIDAE) IN HONEY BEE COLONIES (HYMENOPTERA: APIDAE) 

for a historical overview, link to articles and see apis newsletter varroa 
thread, especially:

More on Oils of Essence in Mite Control, November
1997.



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you dont mean the lines that are in back of houses, right?


n article <36DBFB8B.148B@javanet.com>,
  Richard Bonney  wrote:
> The following is excerpted from a 1990 issue of my newsletter "The Aware
> Beekeeper."
>
> Dick Bonney
> rebonney@javanet.com
>
> > BEES AND HIGH VOLTAGE
> >
> > 	Over the years there have been reports of adverse effects on mammals (including humans) from being housed or pastured under high voltage electric lines. Now [in 1990] a paper from Russia, "Ethological and physiological anomalies in honeybees caused by the action of high-voltage line electric fields", by E.K. Es'kov and N.I. Bragin, reports that there are adverse effects on bees. The paper is written in Russian but fortunately there is an English abstract, as follows:
> >
> >   Effects of electric fields (industrial frequencies) on honey bees were studied in the laboratory and under a high-voltage electric line (500 kv). Regulation of the brood nest microclimate was disturbed in exposed colonies and viability of embryos, larvae and adults was reduced. (Other adverse effects were noted.) Honey production was reduced. The effects were eliminated by moving the bees to a site at least 50 meters from the line, or by placing them under trees, or by covering hive tops with a layer of dirt.
> >
> > The right-of-way under a power line can be a temptation to a beekeeper who may be looking for a new site for a bee yard. It sounds as though this is a temptation to be resisted.
> >
> >             *  *  *  *  *
>

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this is an extract of an article I found in the Bee Archive at
Airoot.com, name of the archive is 96sept3.htm (don't know more).

"I came away with one splendid idea, which I am eager to pass along. Mr.
Laney makes his "grease patties," if they can be called that, simply by
dumping granulated sugar into a bucket and adding vegetable oil. The
ratio is about three parts sugar to one part oil, by volume. Let it set
overnight and you've got just what you want - a nice smooth mix. Or, if
there is still some oil on top, you can add a little more sugar. Then
you just take this bucket to the apiary and ladle portions onto the top
bars in
the brood chambers. I gave it a try when I got home, using canola oil,
and it seems to be just the thing."

hope this will be helpfull

PF.

Bob wrote:

> I have heard that you can create a grease patty by adding sugar and
> vegetable oil.  My question is do you use vegetable oil or shorting?



From miksahf@aol.com Mon Mar  8 09:23:53 EST 1999
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Warning!!!! Warning!!!   Do not place strips into any colony that is rearing
queens.  Any colony that supercedes, swarms, goes queenless, or is in
commercial queen cells production somehow the strips stop proper feeding, some
pupae are upside down, and almost all of colonies we pulled brood from DID not
re-queen.

Had several thousand queen cells killed from the using the Strips as directed
on package.   

At the present time the USDA is trying to address this problem.

I feel it is so important that the bee industry should be aware of this
potential problem, I apologize for giving out my experience with using this
product without USDA approval.

David Miksa


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Sounds like you did everything right. Did you use pins to help hold the
foundation straight? The wires are pressed into the foundation using a
wire embedder. The crisscross method has always worked for me. You
should keep the entrance reduced, and feed the bees when they arrive.



From snewport@pavilion.co.uk Mon Mar  8 09:23:54 EST 1999
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Does anyone have such a thing that they could e-mail me ?

I want it for a talking point. If you do and your willing to let me
have a copy can you e-mail it directly to me ?

Many thanks.  snewport@pavilion.co.uk


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There is a very interesting book that deals with the effects of 
electric field, magnetic fields and electromagnetic fields on plants,
animals and humans.  (Electric fields - e. g. the field that exists
between two parallel conducting plates at different unvarying
voltages.  Magnetic field - e. g. the field around a permanent magnet.
Electromagnetic fields - e. g. the field around an AC power line, an
AM broadcast antenna, or in the beam of a microwave or radar antenna.)

The book:               _The Body Electric_ ,     
                              Electromagnetism And 
                              The Foundation Of Life

The Author:               Robert O.Becker

It is $10.35 at  www.amazon.com

He is a medical doctor that treated patients and also did research
with grants from the National Science Foundation,  the Veterans
Administration and various foundations.  He studied the electric
postentials that exist in the body during the healing of bones, the
regeneration of limbs in salamanders (a salamander can regrow a lost
leg), and how electric fields and very small DC currents on can help
the body fight infection and heal damaged bone.

In addition he has many references to the effects of electromagnetic
fields from 50 Hz and 60 Hz powerlines, AM broadcast antennas and
microwave towers and radar dishes on animals and humans.  The facts he
reveals are astonishing.  Also, in the US there seems to be a
concerted effort to avoid research into this area.  The study of bee
hives under powerlines mentioned by another post in this thread serves
as an example of this. Our former enemy, the Soviet Union, did sponsor
some research on the effects of electromagnetic radiation (both at
powerline frequencies (50 Hz in Russia) and at radio and microwave
frequences) and the results are disquieting.  Also, there are
demographic studies in the US of populations living or working  in
microwave beams (telephone links in urban high rise areas)  and in the
path of powerfull sweeping radar beams (airport radars) that show that
these represent alarming health hazards.  

This information may become a national scandal in the coming years:
clearly, it is being deliberately ignored or suppressed now.

Del Stanton   sd20@earthlink.net


On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 11:48:42 +0100, "Peter.Hofmann"
 wrote:

>Does anyone know  something about possible influences on Bees or
>beekeeping by high frequent electromagnetic radiation? For example: has
>anyone noticed possible changes in beekeeping because of  nearby sited
>radiostations, radarantennas, basisstations for Mobil Communication
>(handheld telephones) and so on?
>I would be very grateful for some informations on this issue.
>
>Peter Hofmann
>





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I'm in the s.w. corner of MO.--I am feeding my bees a mixture of 5 lbs of
sugar  and water in an inverted 1 gallon jar with fumidil.  Is there
anything else I should be doing this month.  I also have Crisco shortening
soaked paper towel(rolled up) on top   of the frames also.  I'm waiting for
a warm day to open them up and look for brood and the queen(which I almost
never see).




From mae@indy.net Mon Mar  8 09:23:57 EST 1999
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There are no dumb questions!  Grease patties help control on of tracheal
mites which are devestating to Bees.  Like I tell my students if you
don't ask you may nevber know!

Tobi Mary;s Husband

Jenn Wilken wrote:
> 
> This may sound dumb but why would you want to feed grease patties to
> your bees?
> 
> Rob
> 
>


From jwilken@telusplanet.net Mon Mar  8 09:23:57 EST 1999
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This may sound dumb but why would you want to feed grease patties to your
bees?

Rob

 

 



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"françois et béatrice servel-merle" wrote:

>                   Name: Happy99.exe
>    Happy99.exe    Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream)
>               Encoding: x-uuencode

WARNING:  WARNING: WARNING:  WARNING:  WARNING:   WARNING:
as I know, Happy 99 is a virus or more precisely a worm, called Happy 99
for
the last couple of days.
>Please make sure that you have not been infected by any way
>
>To verify if you have it:
>Check    c:\windows\system for the following files
>SKA.exe
>SKA.dll
>WSOCK32.ska
>If you have these files, you probably have the virus....
>There are different ways to cleanup the mess but I would suggest you
contact your system administrator to do that.


hope this will be helpfull                 pascal.




From BobCan@Clover.Net Mon Mar  8 09:23:59 EST 1999
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Does anyone have any unique ways of extracting?  Home built ideas?  I was
thinking of getting a large tote box from Wal-Mart or like store and using
it for uncapping and maybe to set it up some how for just letting the honey
slowly drip out.




From phempel@ibm.net Mon Mar  8 09:24:00 EST 1999
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WARNING WARNING

THIS POST CONTAINED A VIRUS

DO NOT RUN HAPPY99.EXE

WARNING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC

Home of  " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively
by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax.





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Hi Cherish,

I also am the editor of our newsletter (the Beeline Monthly of the Western CT
Beekeepers Association). I glean some infor from a WEB site at: www.beenet.com

It is a very good site out of California.

Best Regards,
Ralph


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Hi All,

A beginner bee venom collection training course will be held on Sept. 15,
1999 during the Apimondia '99.  Please visit http://www.beevenom.com for
more information.

Michael Simics
Apitronic Services


From Frank@skymap.demon.co.uk Mon Mar  8 09:24:03 EST 1999
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Last Autumn I left my one and only remaining hive with a strong colony
of bees, two full supers of honey, in a hive fully protected from the
weather and definitely water proof.  Now the hive is full of emancipated
bee shell bits, only a handful of complete dead bee bodies, all the rest
are just shell bits, the floor is one inch deep with them.  It looks as
if something has eaten the bees, spitting out the skeleton shells.
Please has anybody out there got any ideas what happened?
-- 
Frank Holloway


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John Caldeira skrev i meddelelsen <36ddf566.134616456@news.earthlink.net>...
>"Larry S. Farris"  wrote:
>>How Buckfast are the Weaver's "Buckfast" nowadays?
>
>Good question.  Without continuous genetic improvement, most organisms
>revert back to their less desirable natural types.  With continued
>selection, it may be a better bee, but perhaps not exactly "Buckfast".
>
>In any case, the Buckfast does not produce as well as a good Italian
>strain in Texas, in my opinion.
>
>-John
>
>
>John Caldeira
>Dallas, Texas            jcaldeira@earthlink.net
>http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/
>
Its the same here in Denmark. More and more preferes Italian.
Flemming. Bee and Nature Dep.
flemmin@post10.tele.dk





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I have a series 1400 model 10 Maxant extractor and would like to mount a
motor on it.  any one have an idea where to get one or how to do it?




From honeybs@radix.net Mon Mar  8 09:24:05 EST 1999
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Frank Holloway  wrote:

>Last Autumn I left my one and only remaining hive with a strong colony
>of bees, two full supers of honey, in a hive fully protected from the
>weather and definitely water proof.  Now the hive is full of emancipated
>bee shell bits, only a handful of complete dead bee bodies, all the rest
>are just shell bits, the floor is one inch deep with them.  It looks as
>if something has eaten the bees, spitting out the skeleton shells.
>Please has anybody out there got any ideas what happened?
>-- 
>Frank Holloway

Mice will eat fresh dead bees and leave the shell.

Greg the beekeep



       //          Bee Just & Just Bee!        
  =8{ })))-      Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA    
       \\          www.radix.net\~honeybs

              



From Frank@skymap.demon.co.uk Mon Mar  8 09:24:06 EST 1999
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In article <36E2F236.2F0D@midwest.net>, AL  writes
>Frank Holloway wrote:
>> 
>> 
>
>
>There are some missing pieces to your puzzle.
>
>Are *all* the bees in the hive dead? If not, what is the general
>condition of the hive? 
>
>
>AL
Yes all the bees are dead, and all are on the floor, the combs are free
of any