Article 31777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:49:03 -0400 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1019671569 8722429 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31777 The key to getting a smoker going is getting a good base fire or heat source. Once you have established a good base then adding on to it will make the process much easier to work with. I would suggest you go to http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html and check out smoking advice! -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "Taylor Francis" wrote in message news:3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work... > I can't for the life of me keep a smoker lit! > > I've tried cotton pellets, cardboard, straw, cedar, pine needles.... > > Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... > > What am I doing wrong? > > Thanks, > Taylor > Article 31778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Message-ID: References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:12:33 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:13:30 -0500 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeeds-atl2!atlpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31778 Gerbil bedding is cedar ships .. any grocery store's animal food aisle Article 31779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:29:53 -0500 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbPzMH1vjmATZxHIom7j+PCHeCoiLpqzEv8pRc3rJaTzbD/hMyNLLQg X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Apr 2002 20:30:24 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31779 Hi Taylor - > Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... This makes me wonder if the hole in the bellows might be clogged up and not allowing air into the smoke chamber. Sometimes when the smoker sits around over winter, spiders can build a nest in this hole. Other possible ways for it to clog also. Double check this and make sure everything is working as designed. Regards, Barry Article 31780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> <8djdcuk605g0ahkt9pa6l2rallv76op014@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... 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New Zealand appears to be short of Gerbils these days, Article 31781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My Latest Observation Hive Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:01:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1019696502 4.33.104.236 (Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:01:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:01:42 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31781 Some of you may be interested is seeing my latest observation hive whimsy. It is built from a clear plastic bell that I bought at a garden store. It's on my website, halfway down this page: http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping/natural.htm I'm just so pleased with the results! John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CC82FB7.3AF9F461@rapidnet.com> From: Greg Reply-To: gregmreplyto@rapidnet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> <504d7af0.0204241952.581e3293@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:33:00 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-l3iLgYamgXm13SoJWkGLfJnnHZywxfGxLlodgiA3MRszVp7KLRp5ZFklo6rIGQCvz2vNWuy67WxzB81!8bpbRWFa1fWEwkmJKdgTaLB7dD3uTPXX3/SNMhnvoHDaIPKfT4BBLjtVhoG4BQaxSqAV X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:33:01 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31782 Ray Morgan wrote: > > Taylor Francis wrote in message news:<3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work>... > > I can't for the life of me keep a smoker lit! > > > > I've tried cotton pellets, cardboard, straw, cedar, pine needles.... > > > > Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > Thanks, > > Taylor > > Put a couple charcoals from your grill and take time to let the get > going then add any lite fuel. I use a little pipe tobacco and the bees > seem to look forward to me coming to the bee yard. > > Ray Morgan My dad learned from his dad a fairly safe and effective way to start smoker fuel. Safety is the key issue as for me, burning up a landowners field is NOT an option! Dissolve a cup of Saltpeter (potassium nitrate) in a gallon of water. Pour this in a container which is stuffed full of newspaper. Let it set till the paper has completely absorbed the solution. Take the paper out and let it dry. To light a smoker tear off a piece of paper about 5 inches square or so, wad it up, light it with a match, drop it in the smoker, fill the smoker with whatever fuel you like. Now you must puff the smoker for a while to get it going. The paper will not be flaming when it is dropped into the smoker and covered with fuel, but it will be sizzling and smoldering. Dad says that Grandpa found this tip in an ABJ or Gleenings article years ago. Grandpa died in 1960 so this goes back a few years, but I have never known of anyone else that uses it. Greg Article 31783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: uk swarms in march.??? what next ?? Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:41:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.126.22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1019698893 12.81.126.22 (Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:41:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:41:33 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn14eed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.55!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31783 Maybe in the UK. I had one on February 27, 1998 and all told this colony cast 6 swarms between February 27 and March 14. I remember the date well because it was a Friday and I was planning to do an inspection on Saturday. It was also the winter of El Nino. ----- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there "Tom" wrote in message news:eZvx8.72$f9P6.10485923@news2.randori.com... > > "Alec" wrote in message > news:CY0p8.12330$Ko1.2174866@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com... > > UK swarms in march.??? what next uk > > > > i have just had a swarm arrive in my pile of boxes awaiting attention...in > > According to L.R. Croft in his book 'Oddities of Beekeeping' The earliset > recorded swarm was on March 23rd 1896 in Essex > > Article 31784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Hearnden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:40:47 +0100 Lines: 56 Message-ID: References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> <504d7af0.0204241952.581e3293@posting.google.com> <3CC82FB7.3AF9F461@rapidnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-203.chimpanzee.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1019756375 22438 217.134.112.203 (25 Apr 2002 17:39:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Apr 2002 17:39:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31784 The secret is to light it chuck it back in the car and drive home. Mine's allways smoking like a train when I get back from the apiary. Perhaps more relevantly, I've been given an ancient tog-of-war rope made of sizal. A large chunk is nearly faultless. "Greg" wrote in message news:3CC82FB7.3AF9F461@rapidnet.com... > > > Ray Morgan wrote: > > > > Taylor Francis wrote in message news:<3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work>... > > > I can't for the life of me keep a smoker lit! > > > > > > I've tried cotton pellets, cardboard, straw, cedar, pine needles.... > > > > > > Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... > > > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Taylor > > > > Put a couple charcoals from your grill and take time to let the get > > going then add any lite fuel. I use a little pipe tobacco and the bees > > seem to look forward to me coming to the bee yard. > > > > Ray Morgan > > My dad learned from his dad a fairly safe and effective way to start > smoker fuel. Safety is the key issue as for me, burning up a landowners > field is NOT an option! > > Dissolve a cup of Saltpeter (potassium nitrate) in a gallon of water. > Pour this in a container which is stuffed full of newspaper. Let it set > till the paper has completely absorbed the solution. Take the paper out > and let it dry. > > To light a smoker tear off a piece of paper about 5 inches square or so, > wad it up, light it with a match, drop it in the smoker, fill the smoker > with whatever fuel you like. Now you must puff the smoker for a while to > get it going. > > The paper will not be flaming when it is dropped into the smoker and > covered with fuel, but it will be sizzling and smoldering. > > Dad says that Grandpa found this tip in an ABJ or Gleenings article > years ago. Grandpa died in 1960 so this goes back a few years, but I > have never known of anyone else that uses it. > > Greg Article 31785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Apr 2002 18:59:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Just in from a nasty hive Message-ID: <20020425145918.07486.00005495@mb-cc.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31785 Just in from an attempt to requeen a snotty hive(a supercedure) and the weather changed, only time I have worn gloves in 2 years and the bees were very annoyed with me. About a dozen stings in the ankles another dozen in the wrists. Tomorrow I will try again in better weather. Article 31786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: UK New Zeland Queens Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:58:37 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.55.81.4 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1019764244 210.55.81.4 (Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:50:44 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:50:44 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!news02.tsnz.net!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31786 You might try Olympia in London, heaps of Kiwi queens hang around there!! Grin Failing that I could buy some queens over here and post them to you in the UK, normal post takes around four days so they should survive. "Bumble" wrote in message news:B8EDED59.7495%Bumble_the_Beekeeper@btinternet.com... > I have heard good reports on the friendly nature of New Zeland Queens and am > wondering if anyone can put me on to a UK supplier. Alternatively I am > interested in suggestions for suppliers of other very gentle queens. > > Thanks > Article 31787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: beehunter50@yahoo.com (Ray Morgan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Date: 24 Apr 2002 20:52:50 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: <504d7af0.0204241952.581e3293@posting.google.com> References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.35.181.98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1019706771 22239 127.0.0.1 (25 Apr 2002 03:52:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Apr 2002 03:52:51 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31787 Taylor Francis wrote in message news:<3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work>... > I can't for the life of me keep a smoker lit! > > I've tried cotton pellets, cardboard, straw, cedar, pine needles.... > > Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... > > What am I doing wrong? > > Thanks, > Taylor Put a couple charcoals from your grill and take time to let the get going then add any lite fuel. I use a little pipe tobacco and the bees seem to look forward to me coming to the bee yard. Ray Morgan Article 31788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Date: 25 Apr 2002 15:40:34 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0204251440.559841da@posting.google.com> References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> <504d7af0.0204241952.581e3293@posting.google.com> <3CC82FB7.3AF9F461@rapidnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.159.190.101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1019774435 18495 127.0.0.1 (25 Apr 2002 22:40:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Apr 2002 22:40:35 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31788 "Peter Hearnden" wrote in message news:... > > > > > Dissolve a cup of Saltpeter (potassium nitrate) in a gallon of water. > > Pour this in a container which is stuffed full of newspaper. Let it set > > till the paper has completely absorbed the solution. Take the paper out > > and let it dry. > > > > To light a smoker tear off a piece of paper about 5 inches square or so, > > wad it up, light it with a match, drop it in the smoker, fill the smoker > > with whatever fuel you like. Now you must puff the smoker for a while to > > get it going. > > > > The paper will not be flaming when it is dropped into the smoker and > > covered with fuel, but it will be sizzling and smoldering. > > > > Dad says that Grandpa found this tip in an ABJ or Gleenings article > > years ago. Grandpa died in 1960 so this goes back a few years, but I > > have never known of anyone else that uses it. > > > > Greg Try using this with rolled up corrugated paper, just dip the bottom in the mixture and when it is dry then light it it will smolder lovely i have seen it used here in the uk but it burns too quickly for me without putting either shavings or sacking as well. At our apiary we use wood shavings and there is no trouble. just put scrunched up lighted paper in first and then gently add the shavings until it smokes well, you should then be able to keep it going. Article 31789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: newbie questions about feeding Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:50:04 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: snca-01-006.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!usenet.cat.pdx.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31789 I am getting two new hives (hives are made just getting bees to fill them.) The feeder that I have is a simple metal box with a lid (with holes in it) The box is open on the end that goes into the hive. The opening is straight into the hive and I see no way that the syrup mixture would not simply run right out into the bottom of the hive. Are the holes so small that this will not happen? (I didn't make the holes in the metal lid they came that way.) The syrup mixture is 50/50 (water/sugar) Next, question... how fast do new bees consume feeder syrup? Do I have to fill the quart jars every hour? every day? The hive has foundation but it isn't drawn out. Thanks Patrick Dugan Article 31790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: newbie reading list? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:53:00 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 10 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!localhost!cis.uab.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:367 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31790 My apologies if this has been covered, but a search didn't find it. Ok, so if you had to recommend 3-5 must read books for newbies who want to suceed on a small scale (non-commercial), what would you recommend? Amzon has a boatload, and I can't decide based on their descripts.... Many thanks, Article 31791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: newbie questions about feeding Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 01:18:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.130.242 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1019783906 12.81.130.242 (Fri, 26 Apr 2002 01:18:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 01:18:26 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!localhost!cis.uab.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.abs.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.55!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31791 Sounds like a boardman feeder. Vacuum will keep the syrup from running out. You should reduce the entrance as this type of feeder can lead to robbing. With foundation, they will consume it fairly rapidly but I can't give you an estimate, but i would guess perhaps daily. ----- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:aaa894$626$1@ins22.netins.net... > I am getting two new hives (hives are made just getting bees to fill them.) > The feeder that I have is a simple metal box with a lid (with holes in it) > The box is open on the end that goes into the hive. The opening is straight > into the hive and I see no way that the syrup mixture would not simply run > right out into the bottom of the hive. Are the holes so small that this > will not happen? (I didn't make the holes in the metal lid they came that > way.) The syrup mixture is 50/50 (water/sugar) > > Next, question... how fast do new bees consume feeder syrup? Do I have to > fill the quart jars every hour? every day? The hive has foundation but it > isn't drawn out. > > Thanks > > Patrick Dugan > > > > > Article 31792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Apr 2002 02:01:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Nucs and frames Message-ID: <20020425220129.21994.00005317@mb-fh.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31792 Well the nucs arrived and transferring them to the hive went quite well except for one thing. With the first nuc two of the frames fell apart, the top bar came off in my hand. Because I had waited for the temp to warm up and was rushed, had to get to work at 3PM, I fitted them back together the best I could and placed them in the hive. I know they need to be repaired or replaced, the question is, when and how? They both had brood in them and I don't want to lose them. Julie W. Article 31793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles Pecka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nucs and frames Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:33:31 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20020425220129.21994.00005317@mb-fh.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31793 I fitted them back together the best I > could and placed them in the hive. I know they need to be repaired or replaced, > the question is, when and how? They both had brood in them and I don't want to > lose them. > Use large rubber bands or string around the frame as a temporary fix they will last the season if necessary. Once they have drawn out the other frames work your broken frames to the sides of the hive they'll eventually use them less there. When they are not in use, in probably late summer you can toss/repair them as needed. Right now you're going to need them, as they are the primary frames. If possible contact a local reputable beekeeper to see if you can buy some disease free brood combs. that will help out but not fix your problem. Note whom you bought the poor frames from and plan on staying away from them as a supplier if they can not correct their shortcomings. Chuck Article 31794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> <504d7af0.0204241952.581e3293@posting.google.com> <3CC82FB7.3AF9F461@rapidnet.com> Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Lines: 57 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:31:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1019791916 24.64.223.206 (Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:31:56 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:31:56 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31794 Most of the German beekeepers using your mixture also. Take a Liter of warm water and stir 150 gram of Saltpeter (potassium nitrate) in the water. Take the water in a bowl and put cardboard in it for a few days, than let it dry in the sun. All you need is a small piece like a stamp in your smoker and than put your regular burn material on top of it. The recipe is from Ludwig Huber, schoolmaster at Niederschopfheim / Germany, in his book "The Beehive" January 1875. "Greg" wrote in message news:3CC82FB7.3AF9F461@rapidnet.com... > > > Ray Morgan wrote: > > > > Taylor Francis wrote in message news:<3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work>... > > > I can't for the life of me keep a smoker lit! > > > > > > I've tried cotton pellets, cardboard, straw, cedar, pine needles.... > > > > > > Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... > > > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Taylor > > > > Put a couple charcoals from your grill and take time to let the get > > going then add any lite fuel. I use a little pipe tobacco and the bees > > seem to look forward to me coming to the bee yard. > > > > Ray Morgan > > My dad learned from his dad a fairly safe and effective way to start > smoker fuel. Safety is the key issue as for me, burning up a landowners > field is NOT an option! > > Dissolve a cup of Saltpeter (potassium nitrate) in a gallon of water. > Pour this in a container which is stuffed full of newspaper. Let it set > till the paper has completely absorbed the solution. Take the paper out > and let it dry. > > To light a smoker tear off a piece of paper about 5 inches square or so, > wad it up, light it with a match, drop it in the smoker, fill the smoker > with whatever fuel you like. Now you must puff the smoker for a while to > get it going. > > The paper will not be flaming when it is dropped into the smoker and > covered with fuel, but it will be sizzling and smoldering. > > Dad says that Grandpa found this tip in an ABJ or Gleenings article > years ago. Grandpa died in 1960 so this goes back a few years, but I > have never known of anyone else that uses it. > > Greg Article 31795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WTD: UK New Zeland Queens Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-123-44-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1019751782 19643 213.123.44.142 (25 Apr 2002 16:23:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:23:02 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31795 I have heard good reports on the friendly nature of New Zeland Queens and am wondering if anyone can put me on to a UK supplier. Alternatively I am interested in suggestions for suppliers of other very gentle queens. Thanks Article 31796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: uk swarms in march.??? what next ?? Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:34:19 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1019810696 nnrp-13:21343 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 33 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31796 In article , Tom writes > >"Alec" wrote in message >news:CY0p8.12330$Ko1.2174866@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com... >> UK swarms in march.??? what next uk >> >> i have just had a swarm arrive in my pile of boxes awaiting attention...in > >According to L.R. Croft in his book 'Oddities of Beekeeping' The earliset >recorded swarm was on March 23rd 1896 in Essex One of our members lost a swarm on 25th. Season has been well ahead - 2-3 weeks and maybe more. Some colonies well advanced. Our apiary manager warned in February to get supers on (I now reckon according to Murray, for here, that 5 frames with brood is the time) and start the swarm control. With a bee that mostly keeps to around 10 frames with brood throughout the season, some were on 8 frames by the end of March. Without attention, they would have a space problem. I don't like rules for timing of the first inspection. If the bees are flying, then that's a start. Actually, I used to use that as a rule - but when they fly at 6.5C I don't open! They seem fine at 11C and more, but these are black, near native bees. Early means quick. Seams of bees is a useful indicator. 5 seams must have less than 5 frames. A box full at the top (all gaps with bees) needs a look. One of my friends reports 2 supers full, hawthorn blooming and the sycamore starting to flower. If your colonies did not build up early, they my miss the spring nectar, since they may be housekeeping, especially if it is cool. We don't seem to get the 20C+ that UK in the centre and east have been getting, 12-14C is the norm right now. -- James Kilty West Cornwall UK Article 31797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-172-107.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1019816497 10901 213.1.172.107 (26 Apr 2002 10:21:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:21:37 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:368 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31797 1. Ted Hooper: Guide to Bees and Honey - Excellent firts text book that should be on all keepers shelves. 2. L E Snelgrove: Swarming-It's Control & Prevention. A little hard to fathom out at first read but gives excellent analysis of causes of swarming. These two books alone will take you a long way into beekeeping and are trhe only must reads that I have come across so far. Any more suggestions for good books that take progress from these two? > From: "me" > Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com > Reply-To: "me" > Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:53:00 -0400 > Subject: newbie reading list? > > My apologies if this has been covered, but a search didn't find it. > > Ok, so if you had to recommend 3-5 must read books for newbies who want to > suceed on a small scale (non-commercial), what would you recommend? > > Amzon has a boatload, and I can't decide based on their descripts.... > > Many thanks, > > Article 31798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 69 Message-ID: References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> <504d7af0.0204241952.581e3293@posting.google.com> <3CC82FB7.3AF9F461@rapidnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-172-107.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1019816956 12347 213.1.172.107 (26 Apr 2002 10:29:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:29:16 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31798 I believe that saltpeter when burning produces Nitrous Oxide (Laughing gas) and that this has a calming effect on the bees. Apparently it can be used to knock the bees out, but they will be worse tempered when the come round. (Owen Meyer, The Beekeepers Handbook pg66) > From: "Beeguy" > Organization: Shaw Residential Internet > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:31:56 GMT > Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... > > Most of the German beekeepers using your mixture also. Take a Liter of warm > water and stir 150 gram of Saltpeter (potassium nitrate) in the water. Take > the water in a bowl and put cardboard in it for a few days, than let it dry > in the sun. All you need is a small piece like a stamp in your smoker and > than put your regular burn material on top of it. > The recipe is from Ludwig Huber, schoolmaster at Niederschopfheim / Germany, > in his book "The Beehive" January 1875. > > "Greg" wrote in message > news:3CC82FB7.3AF9F461@rapidnet.com... >> >> >> Ray Morgan wrote: >>> >>> Taylor Francis wrote in message > news:<3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work>... >>>> I can't for the life of me keep a smoker lit! >>>> >>>> I've tried cotton pellets, cardboard, straw, cedar, pine needles.... >>>> >>>> Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... >>>> >>>> What am I doing wrong? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Taylor >>> >>> Put a couple charcoals from your grill and take time to let the get >>> going then add any lite fuel. I use a little pipe tobacco and the bees >>> seem to look forward to me coming to the bee yard. >>> >>> Ray Morgan >> >> My dad learned from his dad a fairly safe and effective way to start >> smoker fuel. Safety is the key issue as for me, burning up a landowners >> field is NOT an option! >> >> Dissolve a cup of Saltpeter (potassium nitrate) in a gallon of water. >> Pour this in a container which is stuffed full of newspaper. Let it set >> till the paper has completely absorbed the solution. Take the paper out >> and let it dry. >> >> To light a smoker tear off a piece of paper about 5 inches square or so, >> wad it up, light it with a match, drop it in the smoker, fill the smoker >> with whatever fuel you like. Now you must puff the smoker for a while to >> get it going. >> >> The paper will not be flaming when it is dropped into the smoker and >> covered with fuel, but it will be sizzling and smoldering. >> >> Dad says that Grandpa found this tip in an ABJ or Gleenings article >> years ago. Grandpa died in 1960 so this goes back a few years, but I >> have never known of anyone else that uses it. >> >> Greg > > Article 31799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: uk swarms in march.??? what next ?? Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@randori.com - Please include ALL headers only, thanks. Organization: Randori News - http://www.randori.com - Fast, Complete, Great Service! Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:41:54 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!64.245.249.51!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!feedwest.news.agis.net!aleron.net!news-out.newsfeeds.com!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeeder.randori.com!news2.randori.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31799 "George Styer" wrote in message news:h9Jx8.44242$Rw2.3446839@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Maybe in the UK. I had one on February 27, 1998 and all told this colony > cast 6 swarms between February 27 and March 14. I remember the date well > because it was a Friday and I was planning to do an inspection on Saturday. > It was also the winter of El Nino. > > ----- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley Ther's a slight difference in weather patterns between the UK and California. Tom Article 31800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Message-ID: <9piicu8j227p863igaddbv0ur4mecsh126@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:47:14 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:48:11 -0500 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!gestalt.direcpc.com!telocity-west!TELOCITY!hub1.nntpserver.com!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!newsfeeds-atl2!atlpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31800 Try the new "Beekeeping for Dummies" it is really well done. Older favorites include "First Lessons in Beekeeping" by Dadant A.I. Root distributes "Starting Right with Bees" by Rowe I would only get one of the above the standard beekeeping reference are the Hive and the Honeybee by Dadant and ABC,XYZ by Root Dave Article 31801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:32:37 -0400 Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <9piicu8j227p863igaddbv0ur4mecsh126@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1019827959 9997823 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31801 And you should make sure you have at least one good book published after early 1990, as you want it to include how to deal with mites. Article 31802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Apr 2002 15:22:55 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Nucs and frames Message-ID: <20020426112255.20765.00005795@mb-mw.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31802 >Note whom you bought the poor frames from and plan on staying away from them >as a supplier if they can not correct their shortcomings. Agreed. I would just use some wire around from top bar to bottom on both ends and twist it up snug. You can nail them up properonce they no longer have brood in them. Article 31803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Siting of UK hives Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:32:58 +0100 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <387jcu8bjk2f7tmhitj9ca2kmfu39em5c5@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-50.amarie.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1019845814 12315 62.136.104.50 (26 Apr 2002 18:30:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Apr 2002 18:30:14 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31803 Are there any laws in the UK that govern the siting of hives? Are there any recommendations to make hives in a residential garden less of s nuisance? (screens etc) Many thanks Steve Newport Article 31804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9piicu8j227p863igaddbv0ur4mecsh126@4ax.com> Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:16:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1019855768 24.64.223.206 (Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:16:08 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:16:08 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-la!news-in-la.newsfeeds.com!news-in.superfeed.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31804 If you are not able to handle the mites go to the following site. www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln I should not make any propaganda for this company. However, in my opinion, their products are really the best on the marked to get rid of the mites without bringing Chemicals in your beehives. The good Sid effect is, the mites cannot get resistant. I bought the JB 700, and it cost me not more than Apistran strips for 20 beehives and I can use the vaporizer every year again. I have to warn you there is a big problem. because one treatment cost you in the future $US 0.02. Greetings from Germany The Beeguy "Beeguy" wrote in message news:Qrjy8.32771$MT2.1231788@news3.calgary.shaw.ca... > > "KOland" wrote in message > news:aabktn$9h3fv$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > > And you should make sure you have at least one good book published after > > early 1990, as you want it to include how to deal with mites. > > > > > > > > Article 31805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9piicu8j227p863igaddbv0ur4mecsh126@4ax.com> Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:15:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1019855728 24.64.223.206 (Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:15:28 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:15:28 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!info.usuhs.mil!news.uky.edu!stdio!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31805 "KOland" wrote in message news:aabktn$9h3fv$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > And you should make sure you have at least one good book published after > early 1990, as you want it to include how to deal with mites. > > > Article 31806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Apr 2002 22:47:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Oddest thing found in your hives? Message-ID: <20020426184759.18324.00006138@mb-fp.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!info.usuhs.mil!news.uky.edu!stdio!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31806 Today while refilling my one gallon feeder pails, I was quite startled when I lifted the cover on one of my swarms, to find a blue racer curled up next to the feeder pail. Seems it found its way inside the upper box thru an entrance hole cut in the side, and since it was nice and warm in there, decided to call it home for a while. Which leads me to ask, what other odd things people have found inside there hives? Bill Article 31807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:58:42 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: <9piicu8j227p863igaddbv0ur4mecsh126@4ax.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 38 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31807 I saw one of your posts on this, but it seems just as easy to spray liquid oxalyic acid. Why is this better? "Beeguy" wrote in message news:ssjy8.38192$zj6.1055356@news2.calgary.shaw.ca... > If you are not able to handle the mites go to the following site. > www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln > I should not make any propaganda for this company. However, in my opinion, > their products are really the best on the marked to get rid of the mites > without bringing Chemicals in your beehives. The good Sid effect is, the > mites cannot get resistant. > I bought the JB 700, and it cost me not more than Apistran strips for 20 > beehives and I can use the vaporizer every year again. > I have to warn you there is a big problem. because one treatment cost you in > the future $US 0.02. > Greetings from Germany > The Beeguy > > > "Beeguy" wrote in message > news:Qrjy8.32771$MT2.1231788@news3.calgary.shaw.ca... > > > > "KOland" wrote in message > > news:aabktn$9h3fv$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > > > And you should make sure you have at least one good book published after > > > early 1990, as you want it to include how to deal with mites. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 31808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Apr 2002 01:12:57 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Message-ID: <20020426211257.06659.00003205@mb-mb.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31808 >I believe that saltpeter when burning produces Nitrous Oxide (Laughing gas) I think that was ammonium nitrate. If you add some sugar to the saltpeter solution you are drying your cardboard in you will get a lot of white smoke. Article 31809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9piicu8j227p863igaddbv0ur4mecsh126@4ax.com> Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Lines: 66 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <3spy8.34933$MT2.1327999@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 04:05:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1019880319 24.64.223.206 (Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:05:19 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:05:19 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-SanJose!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31809 There is a different between liquid oxalic acid and the vaporized acid. I tried the liquid treatment years ago for one season. 1. You have to open your hive and spray the acid / water / sugar mixture over the bees. 2. Fore that, you have to wait until the outside temperature is high enough. 3. The bees feeding on the mixture, the death rate is high and it can kill your queen. With the vaporized oxalic acid: 1. You can tread your bees even it is zero Celsius outside temperature. 2. No delays in the honey. 3. The fine aerosol fog penetrates the whole beehive within two minutes and the success rate is over 99%. With the liquid form, the rate is les than 95%. On the web site, you will find a list with the newest test rates. I studied the article from the institute in Switzerland and it says, during the last two years there was 1509 beehives from over 90 beekeeper successful tested with vaporized oxalic acid before the got permission from the government. "me" wrote in message news:ucjttq2l0qe714@corp.supernews.com... > I saw one of your posts on this, but it seems just as easy to spray liquid > oxalyic acid. Why is this better? > > > "Beeguy" wrote in message > news:ssjy8.38192$zj6.1055356@news2.calgary.shaw.ca... > > If you are not able to handle the mites go to the following site. > > www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln > > I should not make any propaganda for this company. However, in my opinion, > > their products are really the best on the marked to get rid of the mites > > without bringing Chemicals in your beehives. The good Sid effect is, the > > mites cannot get resistant. > > I bought the JB 700, and it cost me not more than Apistran strips for 20 > > beehives and I can use the vaporizer every year again. > > I have to warn you there is a big problem. because one treatment cost you > in > > the future $US 0.02. > > Greetings from Germany > > The Beeguy > > > > > > "Beeguy" wrote in message > > news:Qrjy8.32771$MT2.1231788@news3.calgary.shaw.ca... > > > > > > "KOland" wrote in message > > > news:aabktn$9h3fv$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > > > > And you should make sure you have at least one good book published > after > > > > early 1990, as you want it to include how to deal with mites. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 31810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.65.177.105 From: scullion@shaw.ca (bjms) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Message-ID: <3cca2cb3.13379498@news> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 21 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 04:45:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1019882740 24.64.223.206 (Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:45:40 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:45:40 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-la!news-in-la.newsfeeds.com!sea-feed.news.verio.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:369 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31810 Five of the Best for you. KEEPING BEES John Vivian PRACTICAL BEEKEEING Enoch Tompkins & Roger Griffith BEES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE GARDEN Alan Campion THE NEW COMB HONEY BOOK Richard Taylor THE QUEEN MUST DIE AND OTHER AFFAIRS OF BEES AND MEN Cant remember the author Brian Article 31811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: patterson00269@earthlink.net (Norman Patterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help... bees bothering neigbors jacuzzi. Date: 27 Apr 2002 02:51:57 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.151.86.80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1019901118 1898 127.0.0.1 (27 Apr 2002 09:51:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Apr 2002 09:51:58 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31811 Hello All! Is there anything I can do to stop my bees from drowning in my neigbors jacuzzi? Not only does it bother him but I've lost a lot of bees this early spring. Should I just give up and move them to another location (I like having them in my own yard if possible) They are about 50 feet from the jacuzzi.. if that makes any difference Any help would be greatly appreciate. Thanks Norm (patterson00269@earthlink.net) Article 31812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:46:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3cca8f70.438136465@news1.radix.net> References: <3cca2cb3.13379498@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:371 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31812 On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 04:45:40 GMT, scullion@shaw.ca (bjms) wrote: > >Five of the Best for you. > > >KEEPING BEES >John Vivian > >PRACTICAL BEEKEEING >Enoch Tompkins & Roger Griffith > >BEES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE GARDEN >Alan Campion > >THE NEW COMB HONEY BOOK >Richard Taylor > >THE QUEEN MUST DIE AND OTHER AFFAIRS OF BEES AND MEN >Cant remember the author > William Longwood > >Brian Article 31813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:50:32 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3cca8f92.438169809@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:372 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31813 On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:53:00 -0400, "me" wrote: >My apologies if this has been covered, but a search didn't find it. > >Ok, so if you had to recommend 3-5 must read books for newbies who want to >suceed on a small scale (non-commercial), what would you recommend? > >Amzon has a boatload, and I can't decide based on their descripts.... > >Many thanks, > > The Hive and the Honeybee ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture Anatomy of the Honey Bee by Snodgrass The Biology of the Honey Bee by Mark Winston Bee Genetics and Breeding by Rinderer Article 31814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Evans" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 200+ IT books available here #97333# Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.138.50.139 Message-ID: <3cca9895_1@news.iprimus.com.au> X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: iPrimus Customer - reports relating to abuse should be sent to abuse@iprimus.com.au Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 12:25:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.134.67.67 X-Complaints-To: news@primus.ca X-Trace: news.tor.primus.ca 1019910303 203.134.67.67 (Sat, 27 Apr 2002 08:25:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 08:25:03 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!24.226.1.12!feed.cgocable.net!feed.tor.primus.ca!feed.nntp.primus.ca!news.tor.primus.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31814 200+ IT books at http://css.com.au/onlinebooks #97333# Article 31815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Keith Benson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SMall Hive Beetle question Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:05:12 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3CCAB018.C85FEE99@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 18.88.a0.e2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 27 Apr 2002 14:04:11 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!207.217.77.43.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31815 Hello all, Recently I purchased 2, four frame nucs. I moved the frames to their new digs and noted 3, rather rapidly moving larvae approximately 7 mm long. These buggers were fast for maggots. In any event they looked an aweful lot like small hive beetle larvae. Unfortunately I couldn't kill the little buggers cause they disappeared into the hive itself. Most of the frames were peirco plastic, well covered with bees and there was a lot of capped brood so the colonies seem to be doing well themselves. My question is this: Given that I live in SC, and will likely encounter the SMB anyhoo, Do I need to treat them right away - or is this a situation I should monitor and treat if I see damage? Thanks, Keith Article 31816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Keith Benson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving Hives Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:06:40 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 18.88.a0.e2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 27 Apr 2002 14:05:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31816 I have read about moving hives, and I understand the concept of moving hives several miles away for a period of time before moving them back to the aipiary. My question is this - what would happen if one were to simply move the hive 6 feet over? Keith Article 31817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:21:58 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1019917316 80.1.219.139 (Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:21:56 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:21:56 BST Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-la!news-in-la.newsfeeds.com!news-in.superfeed.net!peernews.cix.co.uk!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:373 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31817 On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:53:00 -0400, "me" wrote: > newbies who want to >suceed on a small scale (non-commercial), Bees at the Bottom of the garden, Alan Campion. Much of what has been suggested so far, is pretty advanced. Alan's book gets you started, and easily through the first year. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Hooray! jaf.co.thingy is working again! New Host, see, from West Lothian. V. nice too. Article 31818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oddest thing found in your hives? Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <20020426184759.18324.00006138@mb-fp.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-163-38.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: paris.btinternet.com 1019921449 16967 213.1.163.38 (27 Apr 2002 15:30:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:30:49 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31818 What is a blue racer. UK > From: wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) > Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: 26 Apr 2002 22:47:59 GMT > Subject: Oddest thing found in your hives? > > Today while refilling my one gallon feeder pails, I was quite startled when I > lifted the cover on one of my swarms, to find a blue racer curled up next to > the feeder pail. Seems it found its way inside the upper box thru an entrance > hole cut in the side, and since it was nice and warm in there, decided to call > it home for a while. Which leads me to ask, what other odd things people have > found inside there hives? > > Bill Article 31819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Apr 2002 18:45:11 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Oddest thing found in your hives? Message-ID: <20020427144511.02598.00007506@mb-dh.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31819 That would be a snake here in the Great Lakes area of the US Article 31820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Observation hive? Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:31:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.164.250.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1019935879 198.164.250.91 (Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:31:19 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:31:19 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31820 I came up with an extra queen when I did my split, as one of the hives was just too small to support its self, so I built an observation hive for the livingroom. Long story short the queen died and there is less then one frame of bees in the hive. Should I just stick them in one of the other hives or will they make a new queen in time? Would I be better venting them outdoors or keeping them confined to the house? Thanks for your help......... Ken..... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Hives Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:58:39 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3ccb02b5.467642943@news1.radix.net> References: <3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31821 On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:06:40 -0400, Keith Benson wrote: >I have read about moving hives, and I understand the concept of moving >hives several miles away for a period of time before moving them back to >the aipiary. > >My question is this - what would happen if one were to simply move the >hive 6 feet over? > >Keith > Nothing, other than it will take the bees a little longer to get to it. beekeep Article 31822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Hives Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:39:54 +0100 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-823.pipeline.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1019940288 14208 62.25.211.55 (27 Apr 2002 20:44:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Apr 2002 20:44:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31822 The bees may find it, or they may simply cluster on the original site and then die out. (I have seen this happen). Best to move it 3 feet, wait a few days and then move it the other 3 feet. Peter Edwards "Keith Benson" wrote in message news:3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com... > I have read about moving hives, and I understand the concept of moving > hives several miles away for a period of time before moving them back to > the aipiary. > > My question is this - what would happen if one were to simply move the > hive 6 feet over? > > Keith > Article 31823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Siting of UK hives Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:48:13 +0100 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <387jcu8bjk2f7tmhitj9ca2kmfu39em5c5@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-823.pipeline.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1019940742 14503 62.25.211.55 (27 Apr 2002 20:52:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Apr 2002 20:52:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31823 No specific laws on bees that I know of, but the laws on nuisance can be wide ranging. Screens can be made in a number of ways: Plastic windbreak material Permanent hedges Seasonal crops, e.g. runner beans. The idea is to get the bees above head level before they reach the boundary of your land. It is also useful to involve your neighbours at an early stage and manipulate your bees at a time when they are not all sunbathing in their gardens. Free honey can make neighbours much more interested in your activities and amenable to co-operating with you. If they have children, get them on your side - if not in examining hives, then in the extraction process. Give talks at their school. Peter Edwards "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:387jcu8bjk2f7tmhitj9ca2kmfu39em5c5@4ax.com... > Are there any laws in the UK that govern the siting of hives? > > Are there any recommendations to make hives in a residential garden > less of s nuisance? (screens etc) > > Many thanks > Steve Newport Article 31824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Keith Benson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Hives Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:55:25 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3CCB103D.76F709AE@mindspring.com> References: <3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 18.88.a0.e2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 27 Apr 2002 20:54:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31824 Peter Edwards wrote: > The bees may find it, or they may simply cluster on the original site and > then die out. (I have seen this happen). > > Best to move it 3 feet, wait a few days and then move it the other 3 feet. Thanks for the advice - I may have to move these gals - I'll do the two step thing Keith Article 31825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help... bees bothering neigbors jacuzzi. Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-6-88-154.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1019942212 2736 62.6.88.154 (27 Apr 2002 21:16:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:16:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31825 I had the same problem here in the UK, with bess bothering all my neighbours' ponds, bird baths etc etc. The problem was solved when I dug and filled with water a 'pond' (posh name for a hole full of water, really!) This brought home to me how much water bees need. Best wishes Paul Bowden "Norman Patterson" wrote in message news:72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com... > Hello All! > > Is there anything I can do to stop my bees from drowning in my > neigbors jacuzzi? Not only does it bother him but I've lost a lot of > bees this early spring. Should I just give up and move them to > another location (I like having them in my own yard if possible) > > They are about 50 feet from the jacuzzi.. if that makes any difference > > Any help would be greatly appreciate. > > Thanks > > Norm (patterson00269@earthlink.net) Article 31826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation hive? Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:56:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1019948198 4.33.104.23 (Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:56:38 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:56:38 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31826 "Ken Bullock" wrote: >I came up with an extra queen when I did my split, as one of the hives was >just too small to support its self, so I built an observation hive for the >livingroom. Long story short the queen died and there is less then one frame >of bees in the hive. > >Should I just stick them in one of the other hives or will they make a new >queen in time? > >Would I be better venting them outdoors or keeping them confined to the >house? Ken, less than a single frame of bees is probably not enough to raise a queen. Would be best to join those bees into another colony. If they were to start raising a queen, the makings of one ore more emergency queen cell(s) should be visible within a day or two. Keep you eyes open for sealed swarm cells, as that would be a nice way to start the observation hive. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Hives Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:58:33 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3ccb39e7.481772491@news1.radix.net> References: <3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31827 On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:39:54 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >The bees may find it, or they may simply cluster on the original site and >then die out. (I have seen this happen). Die out or disappear? Foraging bees as a rule will find another hive to join. Their sense of smell is so great that they can find a hive within 300 yards in less than 1/2 an hour. Back when the v. mites first appeared experiments were conducted that proved this. They were studying bees being let loose from migratory trucks and the potential mite spread. beekeep > >Best to move it 3 feet, wait a few days and then move it the other 3 feet. > >Peter Edwards > >"Keith Benson" wrote in message >news:3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com... >> I have read about moving hives, and I understand the concept of moving >> hives several miles away for a period of time before moving them back to >> the aipiary. >> >> My question is this - what would happen if one were to simply move the >> hive 6 feet over? >> >> Keith >> > > Article 31828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Observation hive? Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:26:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.239.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1019953571 142.166.239.122 (Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:26:11 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:26:11 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31828 Thank-you John for your responce, I will add these bees to one of my weak hives tomarrow, as I agree they will not likely be able to produce a queen on their own. BTW, I just read every page on you web site. I found it extreemely interesting and informative... Thank-you.... Ken.... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "John Caldeira" wrote in message news:ioamcus16nbogfkbonvhi4nlrfuvs8mst5@4ax.com... > "Ken Bullock" wrote: > >I came up with an extra queen when I did my split, as one of the hives was > >just too small to support its self, so I built an observation hive for the > >livingroom. Long story short the queen died and there is less then one frame > >of bees in the hive. > > > >Should I just stick them in one of the other hives or will they make a new > >queen in time? > > > >Would I be better venting them outdoors or keeping them confined to the > >house? > > Ken, less than a single frame of bees is probably not enough to raise > a queen. Would be best to join those bees into another colony. > > If they were to start raising a queen, the makings of one ore more > emergency queen cell(s) should be visible within a day or two. > > Keep you eyes open for sealed swarm cells, as that would be a nice way > to start the observation hive. > > John > > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas, USA > http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:26:14 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 4 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.dd.c9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 28 Apr 2002 01:30:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:374 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31829 BEEKEEPING AT BUCKFAST ABBEY BY Brother Adam Article 31830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Africanized Bees Continue Onslaught" Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:12:38 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1019960034.394940@savina> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31830 Wed Apr 24, By MATT CURRY, Associated Press Writer http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020424/ap_on_bi_ge/farm_ scene_106 ...The insects' Texas takeover has been relentless despite a 12-year-old state quarantine that restricts the movement of commercial bee operations with the intent of limiting "killer bees." ...Their advancement bees has spelled trouble for domestic beekeepers. The Department of Agriculture warns that the Africanized bees could cost the U.S. industry up to $58 million a year. ...The quarantine zone now sprawls across most of the state, reaching near the Oklahoma border in northwest Texas. The aggressive insects have also been found in New Mexico, California, Nevada and Arizona. Article 31831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie reading list? Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:55:21 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <9piicu8j227p863igaddbv0ur4mecsh126@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-786.banzai.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1019981673 29593 62.25.231.18 (28 Apr 2002 08:14:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 2002 08:14:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31831 I agree. As a general principle I would suggest starting with the latest books and then working backwards - you will then see just how much has been copied over the years! Peter Edwards "KOland" wrote in message news:aabktn$9h3fv$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > And you should make sure you have at least one good book published after > early 1990, as you want it to include how to deal with mites. > > > Article 31832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CCAB018.C85FEE99@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: SMall Hive Beetle question Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:13:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1020014023 24.31.219.77 (Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:13:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:13:43 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31832 "Keith Benson" wrote > My question is this: Given that I live in SC, and will likely encounter > the SMB anyhoo, Do I need to treat them right away - or is this a > situation I should monitor and treat if I see damage? They seem to be everywhere in the southeast, but only a serious problem along the coast, from Charleston southward. I live in Northeastern coastal SC, and have not seen them to be a problem, except that you cannot leave supers in the honey house for long before the beetles have a population explosion. My feeling is that there is no need to treat, unless there is economic damage. I have seen economic damage only with a few hives, late in the summer, when the hives were already weak (due to failing queens, etc.). Keep the hives healthy otherwise and monitor the hive beetle situation, starting at mid-summer. If you see them appearing in numbers, treat. If your bottom boards are unstapled, or they are on a pallet, quickly tilt back the hive and look at the bottom board. You will see adults running around if they are numerous. You also may see a corner of a frame with a wad of larvae in a little-used area of the hive. This is a signal to treat, and also to solve whatever problem may make the hive weak. One think I think may cause a quick population buildup is that a nearby hive has been overtaken by the beetles, who can easily fly a few miles, so it would be nothing for them to jump a mile or two, to your hives, after their current host dies. There are more and more non-chemical controls popping up and I hope to experiment with these a bit. One is the use of light traps for them, arranging a fluorescent light so they fly to it, or crawl (in the honey house) then fall into soapy water. Another idea presented is a jar with a slot (like a coin slot) which will admit beetles but not bees, and lure these beetles, which like to hide, into soapy water. You may wish to experiement and add to the current knowledge. A solution that is applicable to commercial beekeeping would be a boon, might even make you some money, but remember they usually have to pay for help, whereas a hobbyist can afford labor intensive solutions. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020426184759.18324.00006138@mb-fp.aol.com> Subject: Re: Oddest thing found in your hives? Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:23:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1020014634 24.31.219.77 (Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:23:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:23:54 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31833 "WSkriba" wrote >Which leads me to ask, what other odd things people have > found inside there hives? I found a cottonmouth UNDER a hive one time, when I picked it up. And snakes are frequent inhabitants of unused equipment. I have found them, and their skeletons. I sometimes find small ones mummified (mice, too) in propolis. Black widow spiders are also common inhabitants here in the southeast. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Hives Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:15:40 +0100 Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com> <3ccb39e7.481772491@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1224.kook.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1020021705 24652 62.25.227.200 (28 Apr 2002 19:21:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 2002 19:21:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31834 Either. I have seen bees cluster and die with another hive just 5 feet away, but I agree that bees will drift into hives that are a considerable distance from 'home' (this was verified when studies were done into drifting after varroa arrived here). "beekeep" wrote in message news:3ccb39e7.481772491@news1.radix.net... > On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:39:54 +0100, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > > >The bees may find it, or they may simply cluster on the original site and > >then die out. (I have seen this happen). > > Die out or disappear? Foraging bees as a rule will find another hive > to join. Their sense of smell is so great that they can find a hive > within 300 yards in less than 1/2 an hour. Back when the v. mites > first appeared experiments were conducted that proved this. They were > studying bees being let loose from migratory trucks and the potential > mite spread. > > beekeep > > > > >Best to move it 3 feet, wait a few days and then move it the other 3 feet. > > > >Peter Edwards > > > >"Keith Benson" wrote in message > >news:3CCAB070.CB20B1AA@mindspring.com... > >> I have read about moving hives, and I understand the concept of moving > >> hives several miles away for a period of time before moving them back to > >> the aipiary. > >> > >> My question is this - what would happen if one were to simply move the > >> hive 6 feet over? > >> > >> Keith > >> > > > > > Article 31835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: patties Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 22:46:17 +0200 Organization: Broennimann SA Lines: 18 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-2-p46.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-ge.switch.ch!einstein.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31835 Someone posted a thing on parafin patties some time ago. Could he or she please give the information once more? -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genève Switzerland portable/cellular 0041 78 6272967 Article 31836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dave-news@bryder.net (David Schneider) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what to do with a weak new hive? Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 05:14:44 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3cccd3b1.1308441@news.webintellects.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-04!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31836 Hello All, I've got a quick question. I installed a new 3 lb. packages of bees but, after checking it a few days later, I found that the queen had died. I got a replacement. She is out and laying now but there are not very many bees left and, by the looks of the brood coming, it will be a while before many new ones come on the scene. I'm thinking about taking a frame of capped brood from an established hive and giving it to this week one. Can I just pull a frame out of one and put it in the other? Will they accept it just like that? Is this a good idea? Thanks for any input. - Dave Article 31837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.65.177.105 From: scullion@shaw.ca (bjms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: colours of pollen Message-ID: <3ccce196.35497422@news> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 7 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 06:18:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1020061108 24.64.223.206 (Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:18:28 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:18:28 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31837 Blows me out of the water to see all the incredible colours of pollen that come in. Is there a resource site that matches colour of pollen to its flower? Any good sites that show the workings (plans) for a trap? Bees were bringing back a turquoise. aqua marine. almost florescent, unbelievable colour. Would be very interested to find the flower source. Brian Article 31838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles Pecka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what to do with a weak new hive? Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:08:43 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3cccd3b1.1308441@news.webintellects.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31838 > I'm thinking about taking a frame of capped brood from an established > hive and giving it to this week one. Can I just pull a frame out of > one and put it in the other? Will they accept it just like that? Is > this a good idea? Go for it Dave. Excellent idea, yes they will take it. Make sure the queen is not on it first. Chuck Article 31839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa Osbourne) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: observation hive question Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:01:31 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 19 Message-ID: <19908-3CCD361B-493@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAy0SdN4HTTvBxdiNvs5DNO13C7oMCFQCQGMSbwSQSuEX7mhPigngWmP5Uaw== Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsengine.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31839 Hi guys, I appreciate all the tips and pointers I receive from this post. Thanks so much. I've been wanting an observation hive for a while. I've heard they are harder to keep going. My husband, Jim, seems to think we can add a glass to one side of one of our outdoor hives. He says we can add a black covering as well so we can view when we want and cover it when we want. Do you think this would work. What things should I be aware of before attempting this. I just did a split...would it be better to do this on a weaker hive, or a thriving one? Thanks, Melissa http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ Article 31840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa Osbourne) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oddest thing found in your hives? Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:04:42 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19908-3CCD36DA-494@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net> References: <20020426184759.18324.00006138@mb-fp.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQpFO6XFdlNxjerXm8U6KdcNM0wYgIUaEBiIUcsmZVpTGTQZFF92fIjzhY= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31840 The oddest thing I found was just recently. We found two laying queens in one hive. They were separated by a queen excluder. I didn't think the workers would allow two queens in the same hive, but they did. We split the hive over a week ago, and they are doing fine now. I was completely shocked! http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ Article 31841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Apr 2002 12:41:41 GMT References: Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Message-ID: <20020429084141.21990.00006264@mb-fh.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!64.12.151.230.MISMATCH!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31841 Be careful using sugar and saltpetre. Resulting mixture is v. inflammable if not explosive. For example formula for gunpowder is saltpetre carbon and sulphur. we're trying to smoke them not shoot them. Article 31842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what to do with a weak new hive? Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:17:29 -0400 Organization: Beekeepers Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <3cccd3b1.1308441@news.webintellects.net> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1020084834 11541743 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31842 Not only would I add some brood but I would look at feeding like crazy. Did you put the new bees on drawn foundation? If the foundation is not drawn I would look at giving them some drawn foundation so the queen can take off with the laying.... -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "David Schneider" wrote in message news:3cccd3b1.1308441@news.webintellects.net... > > Hello All, > I've got a quick question. > > I installed a new 3 lb. packages of bees but, after checking it a few > days later, I found that the queen had died. I got a replacement. She > is out and laying now but there are not very many bees left and, by > the looks of the brood coming, it will be a while before many new ones > come on the scene. > > I'm thinking about taking a frame of capped brood from an established > hive and giving it to this week one. Can I just pull a frame out of > one and put it in the other? Will they accept it just like that? Is > this a good idea? > > Thanks for any input. > > > - Dave Article 31843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Apr 2002 13:46:10 GMT References: <3cccd3b1.1308441@news.webintellects.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: what to do with a weak new hive? Message-ID: <20020429094610.29963.00003642@mb-cb.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31843 You can do that but I wouldn't. I would combine both hives via the newspaper method. It helps if there is a flow on or you are feeding. And then I would order a new queen and make a split when it arrives. Article 31844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Apr 2002 13:48:02 GMT References: <19908-3CCD36DA-494@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Oddest thing found in your hives? Message-ID: <20020429094802.29963.00003645@mb-cb.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31844 So far it is a type of centipede I have never seen before. About 4" long and about as thick as a pencil lead. All the others around here are 2" at best. Checkered beetles too. Article 31846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Dual Swarms? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3CCD6D2F.A5DC2919@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:56:31 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31846 Folks, Got one that isn't in my bee book. Yesterday I got a swarm call - one from a out apiary about 30 miles away from me. I had inspected this hive the week before and found a lot of swarm cells and one swarm cell that was hatched. There was no young brood in the hive and I didn't find the original marked queen or the newly hatched virgin. I surmised that they had already swarmed but apparently I was wrong as I got this call while the swarm was in progress and went racing over there - leaving my bee suit behind in the rush. When I got there the bees had formed two distinct clusters in a apple tree not more that 50' from the emitting hive. One cluster was larger - around 15,000 bees I estimate, the other was only about half that size. Both of these clusters where in the same tree not more than a couple feet from each other. I wonder if these two clusters are just one swarm or two different swarms. One with the original queen and the other with the daughter that hatched over a week ago. From what I have read the primary swarm was to have consisted of only the original queen and no others. I have never read/heard of two queens, mother and daughter in this case, swarming simultaneously - is this possible? Anyway, I was able to get both clusters into the same hive. They seem to be cohabiting quite nicely. I suspect though that I have the original marked queen AND her virgin daughter in the same hive. The young queen may have even been mated prior to this swarm, after all she hatched over a week ago. I haven't looked through the hive yet for the queens and probably won't for a week of so to let them settle down. I was without a bee suit and didn't want to get into them further as I caught about a half dozen stings in the process of hiving them. So much for the docility of swarms! Has anyone ever had two queens swarm from the same hive at the same time? Regards, Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 31847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19908-3CCD361B-493@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: observation hive question Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:17:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.164.250.89 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1020097040 198.164.250.89 (Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:17:20 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:17:20 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31847 I made a three frame observaiton Hive last week and put a one shelf of bees in it with a new queen to see what would happen. The queen died shortly there after, I suspect she was week before I put her in because she was barely moving. Anyhow, I watched them intently for a few days and they didn't make any effort to replace her so, I just stuck them back in one of my week hives. They are interesting as heck to watch, but I don't think one can expect them to be productive and thrive in an obsevation hive. Ken.... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "Melissa Osbourne" wrote in message news:19908-3CCD361B-493@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net... > Hi guys, > > I appreciate all the tips and pointers I receive from this post. Thanks > so much. > > I've been wanting an observation hive for a while. I've heard they are > harder to keep going. My husband, Jim, seems to think we can add a > glass to one side of one of our outdoor hives. He says we can add a > black covering as well so we can view when we want and cover it when we > want. Do you think this would work. What things should I be aware of > before attempting this. I just did a split...would it be better to do > this on a weaker hive, or a thriving one? > > Thanks, > > Melissa > > http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ > Article 31848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Observation hive? Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr14.news.prodigy.com 1020097037 ST000 63.197.142.62 (Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:17:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:17:17 EDT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: OX[MQ[CDXRVWSQH]^JKBOW@@YJ_ZTB\MV@BL\QMIWIWTEPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:17:17 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31848 If you want to see a "working" colony,,you'll want to vent them to the outside. I've got a three frame obs. hive that I've vented through an exterior wall with 3/4 inch ,,clear PVC pipe. It's been going for the last four years and I've never had to replace the bees. Nothing can beat watching the girls do their thing,,,,,dancing,,,swarming,,,laying,,hatching,,, you see it all with a working observation hive. "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:b0Dy8.6911$cT2.635474@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > I came up with an extra queen when I did my split, as one of the hives was > just too small to support its self, so I built an observation hive for the > livingroom. Long story short the queen died and there is less then one frame > of bees in the hive. > > Should I just stick them in one of the other hives or will they make a new > queen in time? > > Would I be better venting them outdoors or keeping them confined to the > house? > > Thanks for your help......... Ken..... > > -- > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > > > > Article 31849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Afrinized bee tracking Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr14.news.prodigy.com 1020097607 ST000 63.197.142.62 (Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:26:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:26:47 EDT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: TSU[@ION_ZYERR\XLROZOFTBTR\B@GXLN@GZ_GYO^BSZUSAANVUEAE[YETZPIWWI[FCIZA^NBFXZ_D[BFNTCNVPDTNTKHWXKB@X^B_OCJLPZ@ET_O[G\XSG@E\G[ZKVLBL^CJINM@I_KVIOR\T_M_AW_M[_BWU_HFA_]@A_A^SGFAUDE_DFTMQPFWVW[QPJN Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:26:47 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newscon01.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31849 Does anyone know of a good, up to date site that keeps up with the sightings of Africanized bees? Article 31850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Help... bees bothering neigbors jacuzzi. Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:53:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net 1020095639 24.62.89.183 (Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:53:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:53:59 EDT Organization: ATT Broadband Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.ne.ipsvc.net!cyclone.ne.ipsvc.net!65.96.0.182!typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31850 "Norman Patterson" wrote in message news:72bffab4.0204270151.7ad4e522@posting.google.com... > Hello All! > > Is there anything I can do to stop my bees from drowning in my > neigbors jacuzzi? Not only does it bother him but I've lost a lot of > bees this early spring. Should I just give up and move them to > another location (I like having them in my own yard if possible) I use entrance feeders with water in them to supply water in the summer and keep the bees out of the neighborhood pools. -Steve Article 31851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Afrinized bee tracking Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:51:43 -0500 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZjQJDpFMB0glVOwG7n0sD6S8pzSBYewkTYGgj4at3vE28/71Aeyi2E X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Apr 2002 17:52:27 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31851 If you're after sightings, the media is always on top of this. Check the online papers from the Southwest. If it's current studies on AHB's in the U.S. you're after, the ARS Carl Hayden lab should have the "latest." http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov Regards, Barry > From: "J Kimbro" > Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:26:47 GMT > Subject: Afrinized bee tracking > > Does anyone know of a good, up to date site that keeps up with the sightings > of Africanized bees? Article 31852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dave-news@bryder.net (David Schneider) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what to do with a weak new hive? Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:57:07 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3ccda452.3626815@news.webintellects.net> References: <3cccd3b1.1308441@news.webintellects.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 49 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31852 Thanks for the advice. Food should not be issue. The supper I gave them was about half full of drawn foundation, some with pollen and honey. I've also been keeping there feeding jar full. I'll try adding some brood and see how it goes. - Dave On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:17:29 -0400, "BeeFarmer" wrote: >Not only would I add some brood but I would look at feeding like crazy. Did >you put the new bees on drawn foundation? If the foundation is not drawn I >would look at giving them some drawn foundation so the queen can take off >with the laying.... > >-- >BeeFarmer >Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping >http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ > >"David Schneider" wrote in message >news:3cccd3b1.1308441@news.webintellects.net... >> >> Hello All, >> I've got a quick question. >> >> I installed a new 3 lb. packages of bees but, after checking it a few >> days later, I found that the queen had died. I got a replacement. She >> is out and laying now but there are not very many bees left and, by >> the looks of the brood coming, it will be a while before many new ones >> come on the scene. >> >> I'm thinking about taking a frame of capped brood from an established >> hive and giving it to this week one. Can I just pull a frame out of >> one and put it in the other? Will they accept it just like that? Is >> this a good idea? >> >> Thanks for any input. >> >> >> - Dave > > Article 31853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CCD6D2F.A5DC2919@boeing.com> Subject: Re: Dual Swarms? Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 01:30:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1020130258 24.31.219.77 (Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:30:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:30:58 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31853 "Billy Smart" wrote > > Has anyone ever had two queens swarm from the same hive at the same > time? Yes swarms can have the old queen and sometimes several virgins along for the ride. Occasionally swarms from two or more hives merge. I have seen two swarms pitch on a high branch a few feet apart and gradually move together to make a huge swarm. One time another beekeeper and I hived a tremendous swarm that more than filled three deep boxes. We had dumped the swarm on a tarp and they were running into the hive. My friend was at the entrance grabbing queens as fast as he spotted them. He retrieved three mated queens and, if I recall right, 18 virgins. That's the record for me.... -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dual Swarms? Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:55:06 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <3CCD6D2F.A5DC2919@boeing.com> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.d1.c3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 30 Apr 2002 03:59:16 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31854 Swarming has been rampant here south of San Francisco this year, and have had three swarms this year with multiple clusters, queens and virgins. Two swarms , on different days, from the same feral hive, I combined as they were so small, and they absconded a few days later. Another had two clusters, one large, and now seems queenless, or has a slow to lay virgin. Article 31855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oddest thing found in your hives? Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:35:22 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <20020426184759.18324.00006138@mb-fp.aol.com> <19908-3CCD36DA-494@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-804.pounder.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1020148524 3058 62.25.215.36 (30 Apr 2002 06:35:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 2002 06:35:24 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31855 This is common when colonies supersede - mother and daughter may even be found laying on the same comb. Unless you mark your queens, it is unlikely that you would notice it as you would think that you were seeing the same queen twice. "Melissa Osbourne" wrote in message news:19908-3CCD36DA-494@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net... > The oddest thing I found was just recently. We found two laying queens > in one hive. They were separated by a queen excluder. I didn't think > the workers would allow two queens in the same hive, but they did. We > split the hive over a week ago, and they are doing fine now. I was > completely shocked! > > http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ > Article 31856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: observation hive question Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:39:30 +0100 Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <19908-3CCD361B-493@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-804.pounder.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1020148782 1768 62.25.215.36 (30 Apr 2002 06:39:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 2002 06:39:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31856 Can be done, but you will see very little of interest - either the ends of the frames or the face of an outer frame (probably full of honey) depending on the side that you use. All of the brood, queen etc. will be hidden. To see the real action you need a proper observation hive. Peter Edwards "Melissa Osbourne" wrote in message news:19908-3CCD361B-493@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net... > Hi guys, > > I appreciate all the tips and pointers I receive from this post. Thanks > so much. > > I've been wanting an observation hive for a while. I've heard they are > harder to keep going. My husband, Jim, seems to think we can add a > glass to one side of one of our outdoor hives. He says we can add a > black covering as well so we can view when we want and cover it when we > want. Do you think this would work. What things should I be aware of > before attempting this. I just did a split...would it be better to do > this on a weaker hive, or a thriving one? > > Thanks, > > Melissa > > http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ > Article 31857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: colours of pollen Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:41:29 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3ccce196.35497422@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-804.pounder.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1020148915 3326 62.25.215.36 (30 Apr 2002 06:41:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 2002 06:41:55 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200