From pollinator@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:43 EDT 1999 Article: 16928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestion for rebuild. Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 12:00:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372e38e5.8775437@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990504080039.07163.00002003@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16928 From: (RAG) >The condition of the old hive is such that it would result in >total destruction of the colony were I to try to remove the frames and >just transfer the bees. If/when I determine the queen is working in >the top unit, is removing the lower unit and base to a nearby location >to salvage the honey and workers (who I hope will return to the >location of the new hive). My understanding is that the adult workers >will return to the old location, then 'rob' the contents of the >trashed hive. No? Suggestions? There are a lot of things to be said about robbing, most of them not good. You don't know how many other bee colonies are in the area. It spreads disease and mites. And it can lead to a lot of stinging, and make you a pariah in the neighborhood. Turn the old hive upside down. The queen will be highly reluctant to lay in the misaligned cells. Put the new box on top. When you see eggs, slip in a queen excluder between them. If you still see eggs three or four days later, you have the queen where you want her. You can wait until all the brood hatches out of the old box, then you can salvage any honey and wax you wish. But don't encourage robbing. After many years as a beekeeper, I have almost an abhorrance of robbing. Too many problems.... About the only time I'd ever consider it would be a situation like the beekeeper who spilled a 5 gallon pail of honey in the back seat of his car. He took the car to his beeyard, opened the doors and left it for a couple days. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From michaelc@glenrowan.demon.co.uk Sat May 8 06:42:44 EDT 1999 Article: 16929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!glenrowan.demon.co.uk!michaelc From: michael charters Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:58:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <19990430104445.07169.00000524@ng-cl1.aol.com> <372A57C7.DE838BDA@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: glenrowan.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: glenrowan.demon.co.uk:212.228.123.88 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 925826370 nnrp-02:19303 NO-IDENT glenrowan.demon.co.uk:212.228.123.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 <$8u7nUg5A3rWWiKXfM44wxhb1X> Lines: 55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16929 BALD MEN AND BEES Yesterday I was thirty feet up a ladder up a tree capturing a swarm. I am not bald - simply receding. I was wearing my usual very effective Sheriff bee suit. And something happened to me again. And again. And again. I just wonder if it has ever happened to anyone else. Simply, where the fabric of the veil sits on my forehead, when I am sweating it soaks and sticks. It is just here that the bees settle and can easily sting through. I end up like a traffic light - with a row of stings across my head. OK. So I should wear a beret under my bee suit. But on a hot summer day that is not too comfortable. Has anyone else encountered this? Michael Charters In article <372A57C7.DE838BDA@valley.net>, Bill Greenrose writes >Pollinator wrote: > >> From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) >> >> > >> >The beekeepers laughed their asses off at me... saying there's only ONE >> >PLACE on yer body that's worse to get stung. I'd actually think there >> >would be two, one being the eyelid, and the other being the obvious. >> >> Eyeball? >> > >half right. >########################################## > >don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > >bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] >greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > > -- michael charters From pauloramoa@mail.telepac.pt Sat May 8 06:42:45 EDT 1999 Article: 16930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!brown.telepac.pt!news.telepac.pt!duke.telepac.pt!news.telepac.pt!not-for-mail From: "Paulo Ramoa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: agricultural machinery / máquinas agricolas Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:38:30 +0100 Lines: 3 Message-ID: <7gmplr$3j5$2@duke.telepac.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.65.167.77 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16930 www.agrovil.pt From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:45 EDT 1999 Article: 16931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lets Take a Test Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 13:00:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16931 In an effort to increase learning and to refresh some of us who should know I'm gonna try to post a ? every few days. 1. Your loving wife has just awakened you from peaceful slumber at 7:00 am She tells you what a good job she has done by dusting the rows of cabbage and beans this morning with Sevin. So that you wouldn't have to do it tonight when it was dark ! Dawn is about to break, your bees are on the landing boards ready to go forth.... What would you do ??? Why ?? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From cde049@airmail.net Sat May 8 06:42:46 EDT 1999 Article: 16932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BAGGIE FEEDERS Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:37:10 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 11 Message-ID: <89C466C2E73DFEFC.62A446F2E9F24F57.053A0492EEE964F9@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7gn0p7$g24@library2.airnews.net> References: <372DE445.CF8CA3BD@DOR.State.SC.US> <7gl0s5$35v$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <372e33e3.51983858@news.earthlink.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.iadfw.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue May 4 09:38:37 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !^K.!1k-XhJ1F5Q (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16932 >They are so easy to make, I am surprised anyone is trying to sell >them. And after seeing one I'll never buy one again. Same with Hive boxes, bottom boards, and top boards. But fortunately they only cost me $3.00 each. Cliff From lithar@midwest.net Sat May 8 06:42:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees sign Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:41:26 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <37262F06.382E@midwest.net> References: <19990427124122.02995.00000022@ngol04.aol.com> <19990427152815.00460.00000037@ngol02.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.12.87 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:29:45 GMT X-Trace: 925248585.777.39 JF3D7GB4M0C57D0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16933 BobPursley wrote: > > In article <19990427124122.02995.00000022@ngol04.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com > (Jajwuth) writes: > > > > >Is it advisable to post signs at the front of your property warning people > >of bees if you have bee hives. This would be in case someone wanders > >on to your property. > > > > I cant conceive of posting signs telling people where my hives are. Just > asking for kids to dare each other to come in and kick the hives over, or > worse. > > Bob Not only does this seem an invitation to vandalism, but it seems akin to 'Beware Of Dog' signs - an admission you are knowingly creating and responsible for a dangerous situation. Personally I'd prefer 'Beware Of Owner - Armed and Unstable'. People who "wander" onto other's property without permission are trespassers and a 'No Trespassing' sign should suffice, possibly in conjunction with a warning shot across the bow. AL From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:42:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can someone give me some advice on wild bees? - advice on removal vs. pesticide Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:05:42 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 72 Message-ID: <37301ce4.94839114@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <7gldks$lr1$1@news1.cableinet.co.uk> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co69-47.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 04 11:58:50 AM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16934 Hello Darryl and everyone with feral bee interest. If you don't intend on leaving the bees to live in the house with you, it's best to call a beekeeper - the sooner the better. Once they've pulled in nectar and built up wax, you may have a problem with any kind of removal at a later date. To give you an idea on how fast they can build to full size, last year I picked out a swarm exactly 10 days from their entry into a shed (by the date & photos of the home-owners). By the time of their removal, they had approximately 60 lbs of wax & honey stored (measured by the buckets I removed). Call a beekeeper - the sooner the better. If they won't do the removal, ask them if they know where you can find one or where you can locate other beekeepers. If you have a health-food store nearby that will probably give you a start. Also, unless you have 'reasonable' access to the interior of your roof, expect for the beekeeper to have to remove part of your siding or soffet. On the same token, don't expect them to replace, paint or repair the damaged wood. Removing feral hives from houses is hard work and those (few) that do it for free are doing favors as the bees aren't worth much ($20-$40 US - with NEW queen here, or free with a swarm) but the idea is to save as many feral populations as we can - with the thought that the bees might have a resistance to a mite we're having 'trouble' with. Most beekeeers whom do this for a living charge $200 - $800 for removal (with repair). For those that have bee troubles and DO have the option of killing the bees by pesticide, the only time I would recommend such action is when the bees can't be effectively removed and when they've just shown up (i.e. within 3-6 days). Beyond which, you'll just be creating a mess. When the weather turns warmer, the wax will melt without the care of bees causing it to drip into your walls, ceiling, etc - and the stench of dead brood isn't something you'll enjoy. As well, the dead hive will soon be joined by another wild hive which has sniffed out the melting wax & honey....and those bees will probably turn sick from the old pesticide. If a swarm of bees decides you'll make a good room-mate, it's best just to have them removed, rebuild the siding and be SURE to fill the empty space with insulation (bees need space to make a home) and attempt to caulk the cracks and openings for 3-8 meters around with screen fitted to your roof vents. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA On Tue, 4 May 1999 00:58:59 +0100, "Darryl" wrote: >advice on wild bees. I am not a beekeeper as such, but I have recently >noticed that some wild bees have made a nest in the top of my bungalow under >the roof tiles. Is this any cause for concern? At present they don't bother >Are they best left alone or shall I commission a beekeeper to remove them >while the nest is relatively small? Can someone please give me some advice >on what to do for the best I would be extremely grateful. >regards >Darryl >email: darrylc@bigwig.net From dmarple@urjet.netNOSPAM Sat May 8 06:42:48 EDT 1999 Article: 16935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Marple" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Packaged Hive Problem Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:27:20 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <925838913.037.55@news.remarQ.com> References: <19990503074552.20886.00001411@ng21.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.231.136.32 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:28:33 GMT X-Trace: 925838913.037.55 HP5BVU17I8820D0E7C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16935 I had something similar happen to me. I have two new hives. I deduced there was no queen in one hive because I could not locate the queen, there were no eggs/larvae, they were beginning to create a queen cell, and the hive was buzzing distinctly different from the hive with a queen. I put a frame of partially drawn comb and eggs in the queenless hive as Pollinator has suggested you do. Then I got to thinking and asking around and several people told me it is sometimes difficult for a new package to raise a queen. The colony is not strong and growing without an egg layer. I didn't want to be 3 weeks behind to start out and still have the chance that a queen would not make back from a mating flight...so I forked out the $9.00 for a new queen. She is doing wonderfully. SeasholtzM wrote in message <19990503074552.20886.00001411@ng21.aol.com>... >Hi All > > Been readin and learnin here for awhile now i am in ned of some help, From jajwuth@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:49 EDT 1999 Article: 16936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar hive Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 May 1999 18:04:07 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16936 I was looking at a web page on top bar hives. I am thinking of giving it a try as a first time beekeeper. Has anybody else started this way. I like the idea of making your own hive. Also there seems to be other advantages. Is there any other (low tech) hive types that a beginner can use. Al From gothoney@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:49 EDT 1999 Article: 16937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ...a Requeening question Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 18:54:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372D0D5D.513F@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990504145445.20744.00002128@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16937 too complicated, kill the old one, wait a day and then introduce the new one! From gothoney@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:50 EDT 1999 Article: 16938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do I wire frames ? Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 18:57:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990504145754.20744.00002134@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16938 make an x with also a top and bottomhorizontal wirel,then tighten systematically for the best strength! From not@for.me Sat May 8 06:42:50 EDT 1999 Article: 16939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!paper.toledolink.com!not-for-mail From: "none" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Construction Plans Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:11:39 -0400 Organization: Toledo Internet Access Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7gn74n$7hq$1@paper.toledolink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pri147.toledolink.com X-Trace: paper.toledolink.com 925835223 7738 205.133.30.147 (4 May 1999 16:27:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@toledolink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 May 1999 16:27:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16939 I remember seeing a beekeeping site with several different building plans on it, including Langstroth hives. could someone please remind me where it is. Thanks. From gothoney@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:51 EDT 1999 Article: 16940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can someone give me some advice on wild bees? Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 18:53:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7gldks$lr1$1@news1.cableinet.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990504145330.20744.00002127@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16940 get them out now, recently removed 300 pound hive that looked small but the walls of this historic autitorium were buldging from the weight! From amschelp@pe.net Sat May 8 06:42:52 EDT 1999 Article: 16941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Message-ID: References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.31 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 925850302 216.100.28.31 (Tue, 04 May 1999 16:38:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:38:22 EDT Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:42:16 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16941 i have done it for several seasons and have had beaucoup enjoyment from keeping bees in top bar hives. That reminds me, where is Bee Bob? Bee Bob may be setting up my new colony this year. If not, Mike the Beekeeper's fine bee breed will be the one. Mike says I should keep his variety instead of those of Bee Bob anyway, because of how he selects his queens. This could be mere puffery by Mike because I know that Bee Bob knows alot about them, probably as much as anyone. Mike the Beekeeper and Bee Bob like the top bar hives. Bee Bob got real excited to see mine, with the rune decorations on it and all, and he got some new ideas from it. Bee Bob is very innovative, having already developed multiple clever little beekeeping inventions. In article <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com says... > I was looking at a web page on top bar hives. I am thinking of giving it a try > as a first time beekeeper. Has anybody else started this way. I like the idea > of making your own hive. Also there seems to be other advantages. Is there any > other (low tech) hive types that a beginner can use. > > Al > From gothoney@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:52 EDT 1999 Article: 16942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting Hives. Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 18:56:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372bb8d9.0@mulder> Message-ID: <19990504145623.20744.00002131@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16942 two strong splits from one strong hive is common otherwise the splits are weak. I just did 40 with ease. From bryan@honeynz.co.nz Sat May 8 06:42:53 EDT 1999 Article: 16943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Bryan Clements" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Heather Honey (Calluna Vulgaris) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 07:12:00 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7gngra$c9l$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 925845162 12597 203.96.192.9 (4 May 1999 19:12:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 May 1999 19:12:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16943 We are New Zealand's largest produces of the rare Heather Honey (Calluna Vulgaris). We traditionally export this crop to Europe. We know little about what happens to our product. Is there anybody that can enlighten us to its traditional market and uses. Regards Michael Sanderson Waikato Honey Products Ltd. 8 Short St. Kihi-Kihi New Zealand Ph: 0064-7-8714709 Fax: 0064-7-8718885 Email: whp@honeynz.co.nz From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Sat May 8 06:42:54 EDT 1999 Article: 16944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news2.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <372F6091.747B16C2@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:03:13 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.74.126 X-Trace: news2.atl 925851465 209.214.74.126 (Tue, 04 May 1999 16:57:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:57:45 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16944 I have 4 top bar hives, and think it is a great way to start, especially if you size it so that you can use some standard equipment, like slipping a couple of frames of brood in if you need. I started mine with swarms and am replacing the queens. One weaker swarm I am supplementing with a nuc from one of my friends in the local association. Drop me a line if I can help. Would be glad to give you my views. David Lynes Jajwuth wrote: > I was looking at a web page on top bar hives. I am thinking of giving it a try > as a first time beekeeper. Has anybody else started this way. I like the idea > of making your own hive. Also there seems to be other advantages. Is there any > other (low tech) hive types that a beginner can use. > > Al From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Sat May 8 06:42:54 EDT 1999 Article: 16945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey co-op uk Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:54:51 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7gnqcp$dgu$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.137.22 X-Trace: 925854937 1NNUCNF1G8916C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16945 Can anyone tell me how I can obtain details of the First Honey Co-op which has recently been formed to take surplus honey from hobbyists (in the Midlands+ACEAIQ-). Last season was my best so far. I'd be grateful for a contact, telephone number or address. Thanks Chris From amschelp@pe.net Sat May 8 06:42:55 EDT 1999 Article: 16946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.good.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can someone give me some advice on wild bees? - advice on removal vs. pesticide Message-ID: References: <7gldks$lr1$1@news1.cableinet.co.uk> <37301ce4.94839114@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.31 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 925849621 216.100.28.31 (Tue, 04 May 1999 16:27:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:27:01 EDT Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:30:54 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16946 CARAMBA! | | | | | | \/ In article <37301ce4.94839114@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com says... > To give you an idea on how fast they can build to full size, last year > I picked out a swarm exactly 10 days from their entry into a shed (by > the date & photos of the home-owners). By the time of their removal, > they had approximately 60 lbs of wax & honey stored (measured by the > buckets I removed). > From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:42:56 EDT 1999 Article: 16947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting Hives. Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 07:55:09 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <372bb8d9.0@mulder> To: John Drain X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 May 1999 11:55:58 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun May 2 05:05:02 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 23 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust175.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <372C3D1D.4ACE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16947 John Drain wrote: > > How many ways can I split the one hive. Could I get another four hives out > of the one that I split. Should I do it all in one go. If I did this at > the start of the season would I get full production from these hives at the > end of the season. How would I do it. Should I take two frames with Brood, > put them in another hive some miles away and buy a new Quuen for them. All > feed back appreciated. > > Regards. > > John Drain. > jondrain@southnet.co.nz I think that one needs at least 4 frames of brood to start a new hive(maybe three) and if it is done one month before the honey flow a surplus can be expected. One must however fill the hive with pulled comb because the bees will not pull it without a honey flow. My experience also tells me that feeding sugar water increases brood production but not necessarily comb building. I have started new hives with a two frame observation hive but they are very slow to take off. I normally add a frame or two of brood to help them along. Don From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Sat May 8 06:42:57 EDT 1999 Article: 16948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news2.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <372F613D.55431B93@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Construction Plans References: <7gn74n$7hq$1@paper.toledolink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:06:06 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.74.126 X-Trace: news2.atl 925851637 209.214.74.126 (Tue, 04 May 1999 17:00:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:00:37 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16948 Try Barry Birkey's site: www.birkey.com David Lynes none wrote: > I remember seeing a beekeeping site with several different building plans on > it, including Langstroth hives. could someone please remind me where it > is. Thanks. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:42:57 EDT 1999 Article: 16949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-73.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TEST-- DISREGARD Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 09:46:03 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.49 X-Server-Date: 4 May 1999 15:47:37 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16949 THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:42:58 EDT 1999 Article: 16950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-109.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:37:38 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.6d X-Server-Date: 4 May 1999 16:39:13 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16950 In article <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: THIS IS A GREAT IDEA! > > Dawn is about to break, your bees are on the landing boards ready to go > forth.... > > What would you do ??? > Why ?? We have to keep the bees from getting to the pernicious chemical. We have to do something quickly. If I had the material, I'd put some kind of cheesecloth over the hive and secure it to the ground with some goodly size stones. This will allow the bees to breath, and even exit the hive, but will keep them from going very far. Alternatively, I'd minimize the entrance to the hive using the entrance reducer that came with the kit, and/or any other wooden material I could find. Yes, no, mebbe? O yeah... Lastly... I'd kiss my wife and thank her for thinking of me. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jps@ticnet.com Sat May 8 06:42:59 EDT 1999 Article: 16951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!129.250.35.146!iad-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Jim S" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Construction Plans Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:08:46 -0500 Organization: DFW R/C Net Lines: 17 Message-ID: <2D1132434F9CFD4E.351ACFBC34AC5A14.222CBA1730165552@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7gnuqm$1u8@library.airnews.net> References: <7gn74n$7hq$1@paper.toledolink.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at ticnet.com to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue May 4 18:11:19 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !XHe,4F\JWokJR] (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16951 http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html -- Jim Sharp http://www.ticnet.com/dfw-rc-net none wrote in message news:7gn74n$7hq$1@paper.toledolink.com... > I remember seeing a beekeeping site with several different building plans on > it, including Langstroth hives. could someone please remind me where it > is. Thanks. > > From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:59 EDT 1999 Article: 16952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Lab loves bees> Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 23:44:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7gnh7n$ir3@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990504194422.11111.00002580@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16952 >. Cut your strips of foundation in half lengthwise until you have enough >strips for all your frames. The partial strips won't extend down to the >bottom of the frame but the bees will finish that work for you. And, >although the comb won't be as strong as using full sheets of wired >foundation at first, you won't be extracting from them anyway. In time >they'll be just about as strong as fully wired frames and work just as good. >The only drawback is the bees will sometimes build drone-size cells in the >botto some of the old timers,, used to just fill the top crack with melted wax, still works great in a pinch !!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Sat May 8 06:43:00 EDT 1999 Article: 16953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!206.191.82.231!rockie.attcanada.net!attcanada!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:57:54 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 925862381 24.93.149.35 (Tue, 04 May 1999 16:59:41 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:59:41 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16953 Seeing as I'm up at least two hours before my wife, this is not likely to happen to me. I'll give it a shot, though. The bees aren't interested in my cabbage unless I allow them to bolt in which case I would probably till them in rather than spray or dust. Sevin breaks down rather quickly when wet, so I think I'd start hosing down the beans more to protect the bumblebees who appear to be the major bean pollinator in my bean patch. Once in a while I might see a honeybee in my beans, but usually they're off grazing on pasture that is easier to reach, for the blossoms are fairly deep. After that, maybe I'd bring in a few bees and scare the wife. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:01 EDT 1999 Article: 16954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!nntp.ntr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heather Honey (Calluna Vulgaris) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 01:02:52 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7go206$pe0$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7gngra$c9l$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-15.molybdenum.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 925862726 26048 62.136.20.143 (5 May 1999 00:05:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 00:05:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16954 Not so rare in the UK. We either eat it (!) or export it to Germany. Bryan Clements wrote in message <7gngra$c9l$1@news.wave.co.nz>... >We are New Zealand's largest produces of the rare Heather Honey (Calluna >Vulgaris). We traditionally export this crop to Europe. We know little about >what happens to our product. Is there anybody that can enlighten us to its >traditional market and uses. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:02 EDT 1999 Article: 16955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 00:58:49 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7go203$pe0$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-15.molybdenum.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 925862723 26048 62.136.20.143 (5 May 1999 00:05:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 00:05:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16955 Stop eating cabbage and beans for a while? Seriously, get out the hosepipe. Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com>... >1. Your loving wife has just awakened you from peaceful slumber at 7:00 am >She tells you what a good job she has done by dusting the rows of cabbage and >beans this morning with Sevin. So that you wouldn't have to do it tonight when >it was dark ! > From gothoney@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:02 EDT 1999 Article: 16956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 18:59:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990419205322.25712.00002729@ng30.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990504145952.20744.00002137@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16956 use cream or crystalized honey From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:43:03 EDT 1999 Article: 16957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-119.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 19:16:29 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.77 X-Server-Date: 5 May 1999 01:18:06 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16957 In article , "rick" wrote: > After that, maybe I'd bring in a few bees and scare the wife. ...certainly a more ENTERTAINING thought than my suggestion! LOL! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:43:03 EDT 1999 Article: 16958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.shore.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!lsanca1-snf1!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-119.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 19:20:37 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> <19990504210016.02119.00001297@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.77 X-Server-Date: 5 May 1999 01:22:17 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16958 In article <19990504210016.02119.00001297@ngol02.aol.com>, queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) wrote: > It sounds a bit elementary but try using a piece of masking tape witha small > hole poked in it in stead of candy. Simply remove the cork from the queen > cage, tape it shut, pierce the tape with a nail and install the queen in a > hive. The bees will free her in a few days time. We get a great take using > this method and nobody gets sticky making candy. FWIW... I put a bit of honey in the freezer for a few hours before I hived the one queen I've had. The honey wasn't completely solid, but really, really thick such that it wouldn't drip when the queen cage was turned upside down. I wonder if doing this would have allowed the workers to free the queen too quickly? What, if any, is the danger of her being freed sooner rather than later? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:43:04 EDT 1999 Article: 16959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Lab loves bees> Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:24:06 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 45 Message-ID: <7gnh7n$ir3@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: <7ghrsa$dki$5@news1.Radix.Net> <19990502230058.07802.00001498@ng-cs1.aol.com> <372F359F.EC5F712A@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo10-18.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 04 2:19:19 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16959 Hasta B. Shasta wrote in message <372F359F.EC5F712A@worldnet.att.net>... >Last month, I installed thirty packages without having sufficient >foundation. I put 6 frames with foundation in each hive, along with a >division board feeder and three empty frames. Later, while putting in >more foundation, I was forced to cut away much natural comb that had >been built between frames. In two hives, this comb came away in large >sections, perhaps 8" by 10". As there was quite a bit of honey in the >comb, I placed it on top of the inner covers inside an empty deep for >the bees to scavenge. There were also a good number of eggs and larvae >in this cut comb, and, consequently, the bees have turned the upper body >into second brood nests. Assuming that the queens have remained below on >the frames, I'm just leaving this comb in place until all hatching is >complete. Next time you find yourself in this position try one of the following two tricks... 1. Cut your strips of foundation in half lengthwise until you have enough strips for all your frames. The partial strips won't extend down to the bottom of the frame but the bees will finish that work for you. And, although the comb won't be as strong as using full sheets of wired foundation at first, you won't be extracting from them anyway. In time they'll be just about as strong as fully wired frames and work just as good. The only drawback is the bees will sometimes build drone-size cells in the bottom corners more easily than if they were given full sheets of worker-size cell foundation. Foundation strips even as narrow as an inch or two will work in a pinch. 2. Make true division boards from plywood that hang in the super just like a frame, but extend flush from the top of the super to flush with the bottom board (and fit flush with the inside ends of the super). Put one of these in the middle of your super and you effectively create a smaller "nuc" hive in one full-size super. That way you won't have to use a full ten frames of foundation to start the colony. Just remember to keep proper bee-space between the two outside frames and the super/division board surfaces. After you've ordered more foundation and have the rest of the frames ready to go in the hive, the board can be removed and the remaining frames added. --David Scribner From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:05 EDT 1999 Article: 16960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:29:56 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7go3cd$je7$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <7gnsd5$2l6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.44.174 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 925864141 19911 12.72.44.174 (5 May 1999 00:29:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 00:29:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16960 I believe this is the 2nd reference (maybe the same person) to a Q with a yellow mark from a package. Are package suppliers really shipping 1997 stock? This could be particularly problematic for a beginner getting a 2 year old Buckfast that will soon be superceded, given the potential for aggression in the offspring of the F1 daughter. Have the breeders in TX been affected by the weather? Where are the green marks? It is still B=0, 5 W=1, 6 Y=2, 7 R=3, 8 G=4, 9 isn't it or did that change to make the bees Y2K compliant? -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail wrote in message news:7gnsd5$2l6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com... > I verified that the queen is alive and well -- she has a yellow mark on her! From queenmkr@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:05 EDT 1999 Article: 16961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!152.163.199.35!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 May 1999 01:00:16 GMT References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990504210016.02119.00001297@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16961 It sounds a bit elementary but try using a piece of masking tape witha small hole poked in it in stead of candy. Simply remove the cork from the queen cage, tape it shut, pierce the tape with a nail and install the queen in a hive. The bees will free her in a few days time. We get a great take using this method and nobody gets sticky making candy. Mark H From queenmkr@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:06 EDT 1999 Article: 16962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!152.163.199.35!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying used beekeeping equipment Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 May 1999 01:00:14 GMT References: <19990425114022.00278.00000611@ngol05.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990504210014.02119.00001296@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16962 The question really should be is it worth buying new equipment when it's so cheep and easy to get used stuff. I recently bought deeps with comb for $8 each. I can't put a box together for that. Mark From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:06 EDT 1999 Article: 16963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 20:08:26 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <372FB62A.743E3DEC@worldnet.att.net> References: <7gnsd5$2l6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.0.233 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925873671 24926 12.72.0.233 (5 May 1999 03:07:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 03:07:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16963 > Also, I have been trying to check if the queen is laying eggs, like the book > says, but I cannot be certain I see those tiny needle sized cylinders? There > are many cells with some dark brown stuff in them in the lower section, but > is that the pollen and the eggs are supposed to be in them? > I verified that the queen is alive and well -- she has a yellow mark on her! > > Charles "Stretch" Ledford If you are near-sighted, take off your glasses. In either case, you just need to lean your nose in--just a teeensy bit further. From sroyjnospam@yahoo.com Sat May 8 06:43:07 EDT 1999 Article: 16964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!usenet2.aramco.com!uunet!pao.uu.net!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!news.wans.net!not-for-mail From: sroyjnospam@yahoo.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beware of Primus Telecommuntications! Date: 5 May 1999 01:36:03 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7go7a3$h05$201@server2.wans.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust169.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net X-Trace: server2.wans.net 925868163 17413 153.35.165.169 (5 May 1999 01:36:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wans.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 01:36:03 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16964 **************************************************************** * Posted by Newsgroup AutoPoster! It's NOT registered yet! * **************************************************************** Beware of Primus Telecommunications Inc.!!!! After calling to take advantage of an offer advertised in the January edition of Filipinas magazine I started getting billed at more than double the advertised rate. After almost 3 months and dozens of phone calls to Primus to correct this problem, it is still on-going. Primus is refusing to correct the bill and are demanding payment at a higher rate. I don't even know what they are charging me now because they also are refusing to put anything in writing so I can see how the bill is being adjusted, but I know it is well above the advertised rate. I have started receiving demand letters and harassing phone calls at work demanding payment. Doing business with them has been a nightmare and I would discourage anyone from doing business with them. There are other companies offering similar rates that know how to treat their customers! If you have had a similar experience with Primus, or know someone who has, please email me (remove the nospam from address). And please, warn your friends! ....Roy..... From rghallNoCrap@usit.net Sat May 8 06:43:08 EDT 1999 Article: 16965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Black Lab loves bees> Message-ID: <372c67a1.3224399@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 7 Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 15:05:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.145.53 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 925657535 216.80.145.53 (Sun, 02 May 1999 11:05:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 11:05:35 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16965 I have a big black dog thats half Lab and half German Shepherd. She goes to my bee yard in the evening and morning when she knows the bees will be inactive and eats any burr comb that I've cut out while working my bees. She loves honey, honey comb, and even bees. Anyone ever heard of such a thing? Richard Richard (take out the NoCrap for e-mail) From rghallNoCrap@usit.net Sat May 8 06:43:08 EDT 1999 Article: 16966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: worms!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <372c6976.3693777@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 7 Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 15:11:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.145.53 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 925657899 216.80.145.53 (Sun, 02 May 1999 11:11:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 11:11:39 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16966 As i was working a colony of bees yestersay I found a very small (1/16" dia by about 1/2" long) cream colored worm with a darker colored band about 1/4 the way back from his head. I found no visible damage inside the colony and this is the only one I saw. Anybody know what this was? Thanks Richard Richard (take out the NoCrap for e-mail) From honeybs@radix.net Sat May 8 06:43:09 EDT 1999 Article: 16967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Liquid smoke Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 00:14:32 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7gdi1l$oho$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16967 I got my bottle of liquid smoker earlier this week. I went into a few hives - moderate to weak - and it worked fairly well. It didn't seem to harm the bees and the effect lasted longer than regular smoke. The jury is still out but so far I like it. I think it will be a great alternative during the real dry weather as it is not a fire hazard. It definately beats lighting a smoker just to peak into one hive. It really has potential! I'll post some followups as things go along. Anyone else try the stuff? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Sat May 8 06:43:10 EDT 1999 Article: 16968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: worms!!!!!!!!! Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 15:15:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7ghr89$dki$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <372c6976.3693777@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p34.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16968 rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) wrote: >As i was working a colony of bees yestersay I found a very small >(1/16" dia by about 1/2" long) cream colored worm with a darker >colored band about 1/4 the way back from his head. I found no visible >damage inside the colony and this is the only one I saw. Anybody know >what this was? Thanks >Richard >Richard (take out the NoCrap for e-mail) The bees were getting ready to go fishing? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Sat May 8 06:43:11 EDT 1999 Article: 16969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting Hives. Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 15:24:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7ghro6$dki$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: <372bb8d9.0@mulder> NNTP-Posting-Host: p34.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16969 "John Drain" wrote: >How many ways can I split the one hive. Could I get another four hives out >of the one that I split. Should I do it all in one go. If I did this at >the start of the season would I get full production from these hives at the >end of the season. How would I do it. Should I take two frames with Brood, >put them in another hive some miles away and buy a new Quuen for them. All >feed back appreciated. >Regards. >John Drain. >jondrain@southnet.co.nz Questions like these are imposible to answer because we have no idea as to where you are or the climate involved. You neglect to even tell us what you are starting with. A single deep? A double? Perhaps a tripple deep? It's like asking "How high is up?" Some places can get a surplus from packages, some places can't. How long is your honey flow? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From raghiot@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:43:11 EDT 1999 Article: 16970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: (RAG) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestion for rebuild. Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 03:16:50 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <37306758.2987189@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <372e38e5.8775437@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sji-ca4-64.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 04 8:17:14 PM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16970 On Tue, 04 May 1999 00:25:18 GMT, (RAG) wrote: Thank you one and all for the info. I will proceed with the project Thursday next (weather permitting), and hope for the best. I'm sure it will work out fine. Don't know how I could survive without the fine helpful folks here on the net. If sucessful, I'll report results for the 'archives'. Again, thanks. Roger From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sat May 8 06:43:12 EDT 1999 Article: 16971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestion for rebuild. Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:02:07 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 20 Message-ID: <372F988E.9CFEFFA2@valley.net> References: <372e38e5.8775437@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <19990504080039.07163.00002003@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-122.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16971 Pollinator wrote: > > Turn the old hive upside down. The queen will be highly reluctant to lay in > the misaligned cells. Put the new box on top. When you see eggs, slip in a > queen excluder between them. now THAT is an elegant solution! bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From jmcclure@hop-uky.campus.mci.net Sat May 8 06:43:13 EDT 1999 Article: 16972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.155.140.137!news.campuscwix.net!n-f-m From: "jmcc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Combining Hives Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:46:48 -0500 Organization: none Lines: 52 Message-ID: <7gobe9$jo$1@news.campuscwix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: s23-pm12.snwestsac.campuscwix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01BE9677.9C809660" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16972 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BE9677.9C809660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks, I have a quick question. I just combined a 3Lb package with queen with = several bees that didn`t have a queen. I placed a sheet of newspaper = with some small slits in the paper between the two. Was this the correct = thing to do?? How long will it take for the bees to "meet". Thanks for = any help....... jmcclure@hop-uky.campuscwix.net ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BE9677.9C809660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BE9677.9C809660-- From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat May 8 06:43:13 EDT 1999 Article: 16973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.fast.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 May 1999 13:19:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990505091921.03984.00002456@ng121.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16973 #2 burn baby burn Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From BeeFarmer100@email.msn.com Sat May 8 06:43:14 EDT 1999 Article: 16974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Darrell Laney" Subject: Bee Vac Uses !!! Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 09:03:53 -0500 Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.46.180.32!cpmsnbbsa04!cpmsnbbsa05 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16974 I put me new Johnson's Bee Vac to good uses yesterday, I found a large swarm in the top of a cedar tree after luring the bee into a 5 gal. bucket with a piece of comb I dumped all the bees inside of the bee vac and closed the lid and taped up on of the holes. After about an hour all the bee had entered the box and I was on my way home. Thanks for such a fine product! Darrell Laney -- Northeast Alabama Beekeepers Assoc.: Sec.\Tres. Jefferson Co. Beekeepers Assoc.: Member If you need info on joining any of these clubs, please email me. From nrmeyer@flash.net Sat May 8 06:43:14 EDT 1999 Article: 16975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Neil Meyer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Used Bee Supplies in Texas? Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 16:32:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.241.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 925662771 209.30.241.23 (Sun, 02 May 1999 11:32:51 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 11:32:51 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16975 Anyone near Austin, TX have good, used bee supplies for sale? If so, please email response to david1211@hotmail.com From hamilton@pbssite.com Sat May 8 06:43:15 EDT 1999 Article: 16976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.idt.net!WCG!news.randori.com!news.usenetserver.com!news2.usenetserver.com!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey co-op uk Organization: Professional Business Services Reply-To: hamilton@pbssite.com Message-ID: <37303af6.90148125@news2.usenetserver.com> References: <7gnqcp$dgu$1@gxsn.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 16 Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 12:35:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: news2.usenetserver.com 925908097 207.91.44.54 (Wed, 05 May 1999 08:41:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 08:41:37 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16976 I would also like to know if there is such a think in the US .. places like Sue-Bee require 40,000 lbs lots .. what is available for someone with 1000 lbs? On Tue, 4 May 1999 22:54:51 +0100, "Christopher Dainton" wrote: >Can anyone tell me how I can obtain details of the First Honey Co-op which >has recently been formed to take surplus honey from hobbyists (in the >Midlands+ACEAIQ-). Last season was my best so far. >I'd be grateful for a contact, telephone number or address. >Thanks >Chris > > From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:16 EDT 1999 Article: 16977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 May 1999 10:18:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7go203$pe0$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990505061824.13860.00000593@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16977 >Stop eating cabbage and beans for a while? > >Seriously, get out the hosepipe. > Very good answer Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From anglin@mi.verio.com Sat May 8 06:43:16 EDT 1999 Article: 16978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> Subject: Re: top bar hive Lines: 46 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:22:50 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.149 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 925914108 209.69.69.149 (Wed, 05 May 1999 09:21:48 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 09:21:48 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16978 Do you have any pictures of your TBH posted anywhere? I'd love to see a picture! Mine is pretty plain- Looks like a lime green coffin with a white lid. Silver screen door style handles on the side. What do the runes say? What style or type of runes- Old norse, stave runes or what? Peter Amschel wrote in message news:MPG.1198fb85c2ffbdaa98991e@news.pe.net... > i have done it for several seasons and have had beaucoup enjoyment from keeping > bees in top bar hives. > That reminds me, where is Bee Bob? Bee Bob may be setting up my new colony this > year. If not, Mike the Beekeeper's fine bee breed will be the one. Mike says I > should keep his variety instead of those of Bee Bob anyway, because of how he > selects his queens. This could be mere puffery by Mike because I know that Bee > Bob knows alot about them, probably as much as anyone. Mike the Beekeeper and > Bee Bob like the top bar hives. Bee Bob got real excited to see mine, with the > rune decorations on it and all, and he got some new ideas from it. Bee Bob is > very innovative, having already developed multiple clever little beekeeping > inventions. > > > In article <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com > says... > > I was looking at a web page on top bar hives. I am thinking of giving it a try > > as a first time beekeeper. Has anybody else started this way. I like the idea > > of making your own hive. Also there seems to be other advantages. Is there any > > other (low tech) hive types that a beginner can use. > > > > Al > > From gardenwrks@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:17 EDT 1999 Article: 16979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed.frii.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gardenwrks@aol.com (GardenWrks) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 May 1999 16:17:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <#BsVm7vl#GA.186@cpmsnbbsa05> Message-ID: <19990505121756.13131.00004323@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16979 Some of the books say American Foulbrood spores can hang around for more than 50 years. From amschelp@pe.net Sat May 8 06:43:18 EDT 1999 Article: 16980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Message-ID: References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 57 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.102 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 925925667 216.100.28.102 (Wed, 05 May 1999 13:34:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:34:27 EDT Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:38:20 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16980 First I painted the whole thing white, and then when the white paint dried, I tacked flowers and leaves to it and spray painted over them on three sides so it left nice white images of flowers and leaves. As to the runes, those are on the fourth side and they are Old Norse designs, prohibited by law. I am getting a scanner. Do you know where scanned images can be posted without clogging a non- binary newsgroup with them and when you don't have a web page? In article <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net>, anglin@mi.verio.com says... > Do you have any pictures of your TBH posted anywhere? > I'd love to see a picture! > Mine is pretty plain- Looks like a lime green coffin with a white lid. > Silver screen door style handles on the side. > > What do the runes say? What style or type of runes- Old norse, stave > runes or what? > > Peter Amschel wrote in message > news:MPG.1198fb85c2ffbdaa98991e@news.pe.net... > > i have done it for several seasons and have had beaucoup enjoyment from > keeping > > bees in top bar hives. > > That reminds me, where is Bee Bob? Bee Bob may be setting up my new colony > this > > year. If not, Mike the Beekeeper's fine bee breed will be the one. Mike > says I > > should keep his variety instead of those of Bee Bob anyway, because of how > he > > selects his queens. This could be mere puffery by Mike because I know that > Bee > > Bob knows alot about them, probably as much as anyone. Mike the Beekeeper > and > > Bee Bob like the top bar hives. Bee Bob got real excited to see mine, with > the > > rune decorations on it and all, and he got some new ideas from it. Bee Bob > is > > very innovative, having already developed multiple clever little > beekeeping > > inventions. > > > > > > In article <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com > > says... > > > I was looking at a web page on top bar hives. I am thinking of giving it > a try > > > as a first time beekeeper. Has anybody else started this way. I like the > idea > > > of making your own hive. Also there seems to be other advantages. Is > there any > > > other (low tech) hive types that a beginner can use. > > > > > > Al > > > > > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:18 EDT 1999 Article: 16981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 18:37:20 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7gpvsu$f7j$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990430104445.07169.00000524@ng-cl1.aol.com> <372A57C7.DE838BDA@valley.net> <372F95EE.E4EB5F17@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-123.bowler.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 925926110 15603 62.136.118.251 (5 May 1999 17:41:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 17:41:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16981 and me! Bill Greenrose wrote in message <372F95EE.E4EB5F17@valley.net>... >michael charters wrote: > >> BALD MEN AND BEES >> >> Yesterday I was thirty feet up a ladder up a tree capturing a swarm. >> >> I am not bald - simply receding. I was wearing my usual very effective >> Sheriff bee suit. And something happened to me again. And again. And >> again. From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:19 EDT 1999 Article: 16982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 10:45:07 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <373083A3.4B8E0860@worldnet.att.net> References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.2.73 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925926230 27942 12.72.2.73 (5 May 1999 17:43:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 17:43:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16982 Oh, the evidence is there, obviously enough. Every now and then you can see a question asked that is so basic and so clearly mis-informed that it is safe to assume the questioner is something less than a scholar of honeybees. Those, like Kevin, who publish frequent knowledgeable comments are entitled to get cranky when someone asks a really, really dumb question, and other beekeepers are entitled to fret at the number of doofusses out there with a few hives and the capacity to cause considerable peripheral damage. Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > RESPONSE FROM THE NEW: > > Well, hell. > > In that I'm one of the newbie pickers of y'all's brains, I'm personally > semi-put off by your post, Kevin. I wonder where you get you evidence that > > there are a increasing number of beginners out there that have never picked up > >a book or taken any kind of beginner class, nor do they have any contact with > > beekeepers in their local area. From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:20 EDT 1999 Article: 16983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeening a laying worker Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 10:06:14 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7gi0u0$blr$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.53 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925665024 11963 12.72.50.53 (2 May 1999 17:10:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 1999 17:10:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16983 I had a situation where 2 of the 3 mating nucs I set up in a divided deep failed to produce a laying queen. In fact I suspect they were lost during their mating flights since I never saw them again after they emerged (they were there at one time). At any rate, I combined these 2 and gave them a swarm cell from another hive. Again no mated queen although the cell was neatly opened at the end. That was several weeks ago and 2 weeks ago this nuc has quite a bit of drone cells exclusively. Check and double check, no queen. So I have to say laying worker. Yesterday I marked the Q in the 3rd nuc and moved the whole shooting match about 20 ft away. In the old location I paced a new bottom board, deep, and put the 3 frames from the queenright nuc in the center. Then back at the remaining frames 20 ft away I held each one high and thouroghly shook and brushed all the bees off. As I liberated each frame of bees I then replaced it in the new hive containing the 3 frames from the queenright colony. It was mass confusion as this cloud of bees eventually located the entrance (there were 3 previously, 1 for each nuc). At one point I thought they were going to abscond. Did it work? Well I think so. I checked after about 5 hours and her highness was still laying and had all of her legs and wings. Time will tell. Rain today so they will be confined. Not sure if this is good or bad. I'll check it out in about 1 week and report back. I am not sure what I should be looking for now other than the obvious like a laying queen. If this is sucessful and any of the laying workers made it back to the hive, will their egg laying cease? When am I out of the woods? This is my first attempt at this and had only read about it. Any other methods out there? From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:21 EDT 1999 Article: 16984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queens Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 18:19:05 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7gi1jq$ltg$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <372BA384.1978@earthlink.net> <19990502102918.22977.00001324@ng139.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-10.zinc.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 925665722 22448 62.136.14.138 (2 May 1999 17:22:02 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 1999 17:22:02 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16984 Are you sure that they were queens? Workers enter hatched queen cells and are then sometimes sealed in; if you look carefully at the tip of the queen cell you will see where that the queen has cut around it to emerge and where the bees have sealed it back. But why do they do it? Pollinator wrote in message <19990502102918.22977.00001324@ng139.aol.com>... >From: workerbee > >>I had c aouple of hives swarm this year and tried to control after >>swarms by removing all but two queen cells in the effected hives. >>Several days after one queen hatched out I was surprised to see >>unhatched cells. When I opened them up the queens were dead backwards in >>the cells. Didn't think much about it until I opend a superseedure cell >>last week and the pupa was in the cell backwards. > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:21 EDT 1999 Article: 16985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!uchinews2!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.eurocyber.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wbc hives Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 18:13:39 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 57 Message-ID: <7gi1jo$ltg$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990423163501.10450.00000748@ng-fz1.aol.com> <37219D9C.BE87580A@alltel.net> <37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com> <7gf6vr$mle$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <372b9f0b.1436691@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-10.zinc.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 925665720 22448 62.136.14.138 (2 May 1999 17:22:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 1999 17:22:00 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16985 Good points: Ornamental; Double wall keeps inner box very dry; Extra lift (section of outer box) on top gives space under the roof for storage - smoker fuel, matches etc; Bad points: Expensive; No recognised standard size (except frames) so parts from different manufacturers may not interchange; Boxes are smaller than National and hold one less frame - so the brood nest is smaller and therefore more likely to cause swarming (unless you really want to use double brood); Designed to use frames with metal ends (spacers) which play a part in making the boxes beetight; Design of boxes encourages propolisation; The inner boxes are never beetight - this leads to bees going into the space between the boxes where they are often caught in spider's webs; Bees that are short of space may build comb in the space between then inner and outer boxes - one that I was given recently had the space between the brood box and three supers completely full of comb ( and bees!); Mice love the space between the boxes; Almost impossible to move because of its size, weight and difficulty of making beetight. Need I go on? Wait for the reaction from the WBC supporters' club! Cara & Tom Patterson wrote in message <372b9f0b.1436691@news.earthlink.net>... >why is that so? > > > >On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:54:57 +0100, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > >>Quite difficult to give them away round here! >> >>Alan Craig wrote in message <37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com>... >>>On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:31:56 -0400, James Lindstrom >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Jajwuth wrote: >>>>> >>>>> does anybody know where I can purchase a wbc hive >>>>> >> >> > > From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:22 EDT 1999 Article: 16986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Packaged Hive Problem Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 10:23:29 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <37307E91.4791FB36@worldnet.att.net> References: <19990503074552.20886.00001411@ng21.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.2.73 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925924929 23292 12.72.2.73 (5 May 1999 17:22:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 17:22:09 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16986 My experience may compare to yours. On April 6 I released a queen installed on April 2. It was a cold, breezy day, and a sudden gust blew her out of my cupped hand. I saw her loft to the ground about five feet to the side of her hive. Unfortunately, there were hundreds of other bees crawling in the same area, and the queen was unmarked. After thoroughly scanning for her, but without success, I closed the hive, hoping she'd find her way home. Over the next three days, the cluster in this box shrank away to nothing, so I guess this time Lassie didn't come home. The last eight ounces in the cluster froze to a couple of frames their last night. I hope, but couldn't say, that most of the queenless, eggless bees were adopted by the other hives. SeasholtzM wrote: > Been readin and learnin here for awhile now i am in ned of some help, 14 days > ago i installed three new 3 lb packages in three brand new hives (just startin . . . > between and closed them up, cept the first one which i accidentlly opened the > wrong end of the queen cage the queen appeared to go into the hive with all the > other bees From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:23 EDT 1999 Article: 16987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey co-op uk Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 18:35:29 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7gpvss$f7j$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7gnqcp$dgu$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-123.bowler.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 925926108 15603 62.136.118.251 (5 May 1999 17:41:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 17:41:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16987 Sam Greenbank First Honey Co-operative Ltd 17 Warton Lane Atherstone Warwickshire CV9 3EJ Tel 01827 830955 Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7gnqcp$dgu$1@gxsn.com>... >Can anyone tell me how I can obtain details of the First Honey Co-op which >has recently been formed to take surplus honey from hobbyists (in the From brian@bigbear.u-net.com Sat May 8 06:43:24 EDT 1999 Article: 16988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!peer.news.th.u-net.net!u-net!newsr2.u-net.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: brian@bigbear.u-net.com (Brian Smith) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: advice needed on solitary bees Sender: brian@bigbear.u-net.com Organization: BigBear Reply-To: brian@bigbear.u-net.com Message-ID: <37329e79.1092080@news.u-net.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.119.184.91 X-Complaints-To: news@u-net.net X-Trace: newsr2.u-net.net 925933083 193.119.184.91 (Wed, 05 May 1999 20:38:03 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 20:38:03 BST X-Real-Host: 193.119.184.91 Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 19:40:13 GMT Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16988 This may seem a frivolous post but I have a problem. I live in Rochdale in the North of England. A solitary bee has built a nest in a hole through the upright spar of my bedroom window. The hole is wholly inside the room. The bee could only do the job because the window was open. We tried to stop the process by closing the window but the bee just beat on the window for 3 days until we relented. The bee has filled the hole with pollen, laid 2 eggs and sealed the hole. I understand that they may not emerge until next year or that it may happen later this summer. The questions are: when should we leave the window open again for them to leave and will the nest being located inside the house have any effect on their timetable given the non-seasonal temperatures? The bees have been trying to make nests in every hole they can find in the house so I have made some nesting blocks of wood and put them up in the garden. They seem to be moving in OK so that's a success anyway. Brian Smith -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Also showing at http://www.bigbear.u-net.com/home.htm --------------------------------------------------------------- From martin.goepfert@fen.baynet.de Sat May 8 06:43:24 EDT 1999 Article: 16989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.tli.de!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!chico.franken.de!fen!not-for-mail From: martin.goepfert@fen.baynet.de (martin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "nettle" Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 19:50:56 +0200 Organization: Free-Net Erlangen Nuernberg Fuerth Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-nbg-38.fen.baynet.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: freenet-b.fen.baynet.de 925667347 29929 195.37.210.172 (2 May 1999 17:49:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@fen.baynet.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 1999 17:49:07 GMT X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v1.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16989 I have just one question: Does bees like neetles? thanks for your help, martin From cm@NOSPAMflash.net Sat May 8 06:43:25 EDT 1999 Article: 16990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "MS" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2 ?'s - moving hives and bears Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 18:51:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.138.149.4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 925930313 192.138.149.4 (Wed, 05 May 1999 13:51:53 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:51:53 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16990 Hi, I have a neighbor who wants to give away his two hives. He lives about 1/2 mile up the road. I heard something about only moving bees a few feet or over three miles. Will it be a problem moving them this short distance? Also, he has had problems in the past with bears getting into the hives. Do you think a chain link fence around the hives would stop the bears? Are there any other ways of keeping them away? Thanks in advance Michael From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:43:25 EDT 1999 Article: 16991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 16:18:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> To: Hk1BeeMan X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 5 May 1999 20:19:10 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed May 5 13:25:06 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust213.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3730A787.37C1@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16991 If there are blooms for the bees, DON"T dust. I would use liquid seven and spray in the late evening. Don From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:26 EDT 1999 Article: 16992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ...a Requeening question Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:39:15 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3730AC73.E2E8FE1B@worldnet.att.net> References: <7gk4mk$i3f$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990503220921.09227.00001807@ng-cn1.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.3.63 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925936724 20460 12.72.3.63 (5 May 1999 20:38:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 20:38:44 GMT To: JMitc1014 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16992 Spare the rod and spoil the larva. JMitc1014 wrote: > > Some people like their bees so darn much they go a little too easy on them, > especially us newbie hobbyist types. I plead guilty to being one of those. > I left 2 frames of foundation a little ajar in one of my new hives because I > didn't want to crush a few bees. Thought I was doing the bees a favor. > Well, I went back to the hive 9 days later and the industrious little > buggers had essentially built their own third frame of pure comb between the > other two. > Realizing that i had been trying too hard, I brushed off the bees and > removed the slab and as much of the burr comb as I could. There was no capped > brood in it, but there was 3 or 4 dozen larva and a little bit of pollen and > honey. Hated to do that, but I know that if I'm going to KEEP bees, I'm gonna > have to apply good hive management practices. > From an educational, pass-it-along standpoint, I guess the moral of the > story is don't try to go easy on your bees. It only makes it worse. From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:43:27 EDT 1999 Article: 16993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 16:18:54 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> <21BD3AD57EFA0DA2.F34828C5F2B08849.C94BB89E57B1B335@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 5 May 1999 20:19:49 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed May 5 13:25:07 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 1 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust213.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3730A7AE.6B50@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16993 But you did not answer the question. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:43:27 EDT 1999 Article: 16994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-138.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:54:59 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 65 Message-ID: References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> <373083A3.4B8E0860@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.8a X-Server-Date: 5 May 1999 20:56:38 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16994 In article <373083A3.4B8E0860@worldnet.att.net>, jslavett@worldnet.att.net wrote: > Oh, the evidence is there, obviously enough. Care to site such evidence? > Every now and then you can > see a question asked that is so basic and so clearly mis-informed that > it is safe to assume the questioner is something less than a scholar of > honeybees. Those, like Kevin, who publish frequent knowledgeable > comments are entitled to get cranky when someone asks a really, really > dumb question, Your comment reminds me of a trite, but apropo, maxim that begins: "There are no dumb questions..." I think the second half is that there are only dumb answers, or dumb answerers. Either works for me. I hear this kind of crap periodically from various newsgroups. The rec.running NG had a thread "The Dumbest Questions You've Been Asked About Running." Reading through these list of "dumb questions", many of them seemed to me to be legitimate questions posed by beginning runners or folks who were just curious about the sport/activity. I'm a professional photographer. I hope the day never comes when I don't have the time or inclination to answer, for the 10,000th time, the "I'm thinking about getting a camera. What kind should I buy?" question. Dumb damn question as far as I'm concerned. One does painstaking research of various products and vendors and settles on the best deal on the equipment that addresses the unique issues that a particular shooting situation poses. Do I tell the questioner how dumb the beginner's query sounds to me, the "scholar"? Of course not. I give whatever advice I can, and include in that advice referrals to any material, printed or otherwise (like a good Usenet newsgroup), that I feel is appropriate. I have no idea who you are, but, frankly, I don't like your attitude, not that it makes a helluvalot of difference. I thought we had moved beyond this issue and into more fertile territory with Kevin's "Let's Take a Test" thread. > and other beekeepers are entitled to fret at the number > of doofusses Hmmm... clearly a "scholarly" choice of words. >out there with a few hives and the capacity to cause > considerable peripheral damage. Are you *trying* to make this the sci.agriculture.beekeeping.experts newsgroup, or is such an agenda only a byproduct of your attitude? Mebbe I'm subscribing to the wrong newsgroup. Although I appreciate all the information I find here, perhaps this NG is for professional beekeepers with a great number of hives and many years of experience. Question for anyone who's bothered to read this diatribe: Is this NG an appropriate place for a new, hobbyist beekeeper with one hive and no plans for expansion or is it not? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jmitc1014@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:28 EDT 1999 Article: 16995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Well we needed the rain Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 May 1999 04:41:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372A60DC.E53394F3@valley.net> Message-ID: <19990501004112.19642.00000938@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16995 Sorry to hear about that, Kevin. The same day you posted your message, my pick-up got towed and impounded after an accident that was my fault (while on the way to feed the bees), my pregnant fiancee wet herself during an emergency, and my sweet-natured pitbull (she really is!) got into a fight at the dog park with a boxer-bulldog mix that left a half-dozen cuts on my dog's face. As someone said to me at the end of the day, musta been bad ions in the air. Whatever. I hope you and your bees recover soon. Good luck, JM From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:43:29 EDT 1999 Article: 16996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-138.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:41:15 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.8a X-Server-Date: 5 May 1999 21:42:56 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16996 In article <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > A terrible smell is noted as you remove the cover from your hive. > As you examine the brood nest you find many dead brood with just a small hole > in the caps. > You do a stick test and find " Ropy, sticky, gooie" remains. > > 1. What type of Foul Brood is this ? > American Foulbrood. > 2. Why is it so much worse than the other type ? I have read that there are two other types of foulbrood- European foulbrood and parafoulbrood. American fb is worse because it is much more contagious to other colonies, and much more difficult to eradicate from an infected colony, than are the other two types. I understand that teramyacin should be used to prevent foulbrood. However, I have a question. Is this treatment necessary given that I put in a hive of packaged bees only recently, later in the year than usual? Thanks. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From honeybs@radix.net Sat May 8 06:43:29 EDT 1999 Article: 16997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.primenet.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queens Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 18:22:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Message-ID: <7gi66u$13n$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <372BA384.1978@earthlink.net> <19990502102918.22977.00001324@ng139.aol.com> <7gi1jq$ltg$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p35.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16997 "Peter Edwards" wrote: >Are you sure that they were queens? Workers enter hatched queen cells and >are then sometimes sealed in; if you look carefully at the tip of the queen >cell you will see where that the queen has cut around it to emerge and where >the bees have sealed it back. But why do they do it? They hold the hatched queens until the swarm leaves. These newly hatched queens stick their tongues out through the crack to be fed. It keeps the virgins from killing the old queen. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From jmitc1014@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:30 EDT 1999 Article: 16998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 May 1999 04:46:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372A57C7.DE838BDA@valley.net> Message-ID: <19990501004652.19642.00000940@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16998 Ouch. Very distracting. From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:43:31 EDT 1999 Article: 16999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 16:27:59 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 5 May 1999 20:28:54 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed May 5 13:35:08 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 12 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust213.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3730A9CF.6D10@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16999 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > A terrible smell is noted as you remove the cover from your hive. > As you examine the brood nest you find many dead brood with just a small hole > in the caps. > You do a stick test and find " Ropy, sticky, gooie" remains. > > 1. What type of Foul Brood is this ? > American > 2. Why is it so much worse than the other type ? > The spores that it comes from live on and on and must be killed in the chamber or by scorching the equipment or by dousing the effected hive and fireing it off till it is burnt all up. > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:43:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.alt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestion for rebuild. Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:54:27 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7gqeei$fc3@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> References: <372e38e5.8775437@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <19990504080039.07163.00002003@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo4-04.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 05 2:50:10 PM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17000 Pollinator wrote: > Turn the old hive upside down. The queen will be highly reluctant to lay in >the misaligned cells. Put the new box on top. When you see eggs, slip in a >queen excluder between them. If you still see eggs three or four days later, >you have the queen where you want her. You can wait until all the brood >hatches out of the old box, then you can salvage any honey and wax you wish. > Dave, I've heard of this one too, but with using drawn comb for the top box, not foundation. Since I've never inverted a hive before either I would not know how readily the bees would move up onto it myself. Roughly about how long do you think it would take the bees to move up into the top super of foundation (variables such as strong nectar flow, bad weather, etc., etc. aside)? Just curious... --David Scribner From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:09:49 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7gqj76$h65$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> <373083A3.4B8E0860@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.46.165 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 925945894 17605 12.72.46.165 (5 May 1999 23:11:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 23:11:34 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17001 I have subscribed to this group for a few years now and it is only recently that it has become a flaming ground. Sorry to see that. On the otherhand, It is good to see the number of posts way up and new blood. Everyone should feel welcome to participate at whatever level their knowledge is. One does not have to be a scholar to keep bees competently, although a scholar can be an idiot (our president comes to mind). And you are wrong on this point: Keven, like anyone, else is not "entitled" to get cranky unless he is the moderator and this is not a moderated NG. One can simply ignore those posts they deem to be boneheaded. People like Keven answer because they want too. I think you missed the point of Kevin's original post. His concern was not that basic questions appeared on the newsgroup, but rather people seemed to jump into the hobby without sufficient basic knowledge. That was my interpretation anyway. Now, I guess I am a doofuss since I keep only 4 hives. Never mind that I have been keeping bees since 1975. When I retire in 13 years from my profession, I'll have more. But for now 4-6 will have to do. Please let me know what number of colonies I must have before I am considered knowledgable. By the way, do you happen to know how many Langstroth or Huber kept? Would you consider them to be doofusses? Since this thread is "A word of advice" I'll give mine. Everyone should be welcome, but newcomers to the group should sit back and get the flavor of the group before posting the kind of crap below. Does anyone care to talk about bees? Oh wait, I guess that is a stupid question. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Hasta B. Shasta wrote in message news:373083A3.4B8E0860@worldnet.att.net... > Oh, the evidence is there, obviously enough. Every now and then you can > see a question asked that is so basic and so clearly mis-informed that > it is safe to assume the questioner is something less than a scholar of > honeybees. Those, like Kevin, who publish frequent knowledgeable > comments are entitled to get cranky when someone asks a really, really > dumb question, and other beekeepers are entitled to fret at the number > of doofusses out there with a few hives and the capacity to cause > considerable peripheral damage. > From noemail@nomail.com Sat May 8 06:43:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news5.cableinet.net!cableinet-uk!news1.cableinet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Darryl" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Many thanks to newsgroup for wild bee advice Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 00:23:24 +0100 Organization: Cable Internet (post doesn't reflect views of Cable Internet) Message-ID: <7gqk28$pea$2@news1.cableinet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.1.135.7 X-Trace: news1.cableinet.co.uk 925946760 26058 212.1.135.7 (5 May 1999 23:26:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cableinet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 23:26:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17002 Many thanks to all who gave me advice on my wild bee in the roof problem. Thanks for taking the time to respond much appreciated to you all. I have also been to the web site suggested by Chris Allen, downloaded the whole lot and found it very informative. I have read and printed out the material from the web site and will keep it for future reference for educating other people on the innocence of bees as the need may arise. The site answers all the questions the lay person would have about bees and their activities and is excellent in this respect. For feedback purposes, any chance of having some main statistics on bees e.g.. how many bees in a typical colony, average time spent at each nesting site, how much a typical nest weighs, how bees navigate etc. Once again thanks to the newsgroup for all the information. regards Darryl From Malley@netdoor.com Sat May 8 06:43:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.137.128.19!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail From: "Robert Malley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: 2 ?'s - moving hives and bears Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 14:26:48 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.137.149.146 X-Trace: axe.netdoor.com 925932563 208.137.149.146 (Wed, 05 May 1999 14:29:23 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:29:23 CDT Organization: Internet Doorway, Inc. -- http://www.netdoor.com/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17003 Electric Fence MS wrote in message ... >Hi, I have a neighbor who wants to give away his two hives. He lives about >1/2 mile up the road. I heard something about only moving bees a few feet or >over three miles. Will it be a problem moving them this short distance? >Also, he has had problems in the past with bears getting into the hives. Do >you think a chain link fence around the hives would stop the bears? Are >there any other ways of keeping them away? > >Thanks in advance > >Michael > > > > > > From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Burr Comb (Was: Requeening Question) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:21:13 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7gqjn5$jjq$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <7gk4mk$i3f$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990503220921.09227.00001807@ng-cn1.aol.com> <3730AC73.E2E8FE1B@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.46.165 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 925946405 20090 12.72.46.165 (5 May 1999 23:20:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 23:20:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17004 IMHO, Duragilt ought to be outlawed. If the wax coating has been scraped or chewed off, forget ever getting it drawn properly. Plastic is far superior. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message news:HiStretch-0505991546350001@pool-207-205-214-138.dnvr.grid.net... > > There is one frame in my nearly week old hive that has two "spurs" of comb > coming off the Duragilt foundation. I removed one yesterday thinking that > this would only lead to what you describe above, but today that one's back > and there's another one being built. > > Should I completely remove both of what appears to me to be burr combs? > > Thanks. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com From jajwuth@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Catenary Hive Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 May 1999 01:28:17 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990505212817.28815.00001574@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17005 Is any body using a Catenary Hive. It is described in the book Home Honey Production. It is a form of a top bar hive. I would like to know more about them. I am considering making and using them. Thanks Al From casfam1@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: casfam1@aol.com (Casfam1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buy a new Queen or leave alone Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 May 1999 01:33:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990505213334.01057.00000213@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17006 I was inspecting my four new hives (packages-- Apr. 17) yesterday, three are doing nicely. The fourth is causing me some concern. During my tour through their home I was supprised to see a capped queen cell. upon closer inspection I Noticed the brood pattern was verry spotty, not at all like the other nearly solid blocks of capped brood.Also found four more queen cells , not all capped yet. Obviously the hive wants a new queen. Now the question. Do I buy a new queen or let them finish what they have started? My concern with letting nature take it's course is that the new packages contained almost no drones. the newly drawn comb has zero drone comb (youve got to love that plastic foundation). Will I get a well mated queen if I leave them alone? I know that I won't get any honey this year but I do want a good strong hive for next year. As I am very new at this I would like some help with this. thanks for any help and all the help in the past . Gary caswell western Oregon From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Sat May 8 06:43:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Lines: 5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:18:35 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 925950033 24.93.149.35 (Wed, 05 May 1999 17:20:33 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 17:20:33 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17007 American foulbrood is the Armegeddon of the honeybee colony. Destruction by fire is the only course of action. All tools and clothing must be sterilized also. I've never had it in my beeyard and I hope I never do. From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Sat May 8 06:43:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in2.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 14:07:18 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7gq61h$77d@news1.snet.net> Ref