Article 27519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-13.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 02:40:41 -0700 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8tooef$nchcc$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-13.internode.net (198.161.229.189) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973071632 24528268 198.161.229.189 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27519 > Is it Aye'-pis, ap'-is, or something else? Hmmm. Depends where you live. In Oz, and parts of England, I think the first suggestion would be about right., but in North America, we make it sound like 'ape piss' (which you gotta admit sounds strange to passersby). Emphasis on the first sylable. > Is it mel-lif'-er-a, mel-i-fer'-a, or something else? We say that part to rhyme with "bell if hurrah", drawing out the second sylable. allen Article 27520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Clinton signed the Farm Bill Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 05:51:46 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <8tovrr$qei$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-55.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 973079227 27090 209.130.165.55 (1 Nov 2000 11:47:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Nov 2000 11:47:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27520 But the question still remains...does it include honey??? Article 27521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A001FD4.53238013@hotmail.com> From: "Scott G. Perry" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax processing References: <39ff5813.6685022@news.asiaonline.net.au> <20001031204855.02408.00000776@ng-fh1.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:53:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.92.144 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 973086819 168.191.92.144 (Wed, 01 Nov 2000 05:53:39 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 05:53:39 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27521 I was in the chemical manufacturing business for 14 years, and we took a hot knife and cut the blocks into small chunks, about the size of soap, then put them into the blending tank. We also pre-melted blocks in an industrial microwave oven, and then added the liquid slurry. Hope it helps... Scott Article 27522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!cyclone.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001031212138.07702.00000461@ng-bk1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bee's Magazines Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:48:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.248.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 973093737 24.128.248.123 (Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:48:57 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:48:57 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27522 > I would like to order a great year round ( 12 month) Bee's Magazines for my > Father birthday this coming next month which I think it would be a great > ideas.. I get American Bee Journal and Bee Culture. I like both of them. ABJ tends toward more research-like stuff and commercial concerns (my own opinion). Bee Culture tends toward more hands-on stuff and may have more articles easily read by non-academic types. They both have 12 issues per year. You can find more info on American Bee Journal at http://www.dadant.com/abj.htm Info on Bee Culture is at http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/ -Steve Article 27523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Nuked" (microwaved) Honey Date: 1 Nov 2000 15:42:08 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8tpdkg$850$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp13.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 973093328 8352 128.173.176.162 (1 Nov 2000 15:42:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Nov 2000 15:42:08 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27523 I have been told how bad it is to heat my honey in the microwave and that such honey cannot be legally traded in some countries. In connection with another issue (infant botulism) one of you led me to the following site that is an advocated for pastuerization. http://www.honeycouncil.ca/chc-ccm/pasteur.html They crank the temperature up to 170 F. Article 27524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Nuked" (microwaved) Honey Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Nov 2000 16:08:09 GMT References: <8tpdkg$850$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20001101110809.02843.00000571@nso-fv.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27524 In article <8tpdkg$850$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) writes: > >I have been told how bad it is to heat my honey in the microwave and that >such >honey cannot be legally traded in some countries. In connection with another >issue (infant botulism) one of you led me to the following site that is an >advocated for pastuerization. >http://www.honeycouncil.ca/chc-ccm/pasteur.html >They crank the temperature up to 170 F. > A little snippet of information is dangerous to both mind and honey. To prevent oxidation of honey, ruining its flavor amongst other things, the same site says it is cooled immediately. Heat fast, cool fast. To do this, you have to have a large heating surface, a rapid flow rate, and a large cooling surface. Honey in a bottle takes time to heat, and longer to cool (if it is surrounded by air). Flash heaters, fast honey pumps and flash coolers are useful tools, but they dont exist in a microwave oven nor in the ordinary kitchen, at least here in Texas. If I were to have those in my kitchen, I might add a large diatomous filter too. After that, an automatic bottler and labeler would be nice also. Of course, then I would have to move my mead fermentation tanks out for lack of room. Article 27525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "N Gravel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8tm65n$q8i$1@lure.pipex.net> Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:32:41 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 973096073 204.244.87.57 (Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:27:53 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:27:53 PST Organization: Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27525 Here's an alternative, on this site http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm there is a honey press made with a car jack Heated or not heated, all the literature I've put my hands on says it is better not. Maybe your honey is as good because it always comes from new combs ? Article 27526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Charles Sartin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: missouri bee keeping Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:45:16 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27526 I am moving and getting rid of my bee stuff..see the add here...... http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P76+C193+R1601095 Article 27527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Whitewash may reduce pesticide use Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Nov 2000 18:08:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001101130812.24780.00000032@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27527 A whitewash made from clay (yup, clay!) may improve the possibilities of organic fruit production. At least is has the potential to greatly reduce pesticide use, because it makes a physical barrier for insects. It also protects fruit from damaging spectra of light, can serve as a frost barrier and has many other advantages that are yet unexplored. Best of all, it's non-toxic (some of the pills you take have kaolin clay as a base). I expect it should be non-toxic to bees. The full story: http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/nov00/white1100.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 27528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Wilf Baker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Homoeopathic Treatment Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:05:58 -0000 Organization: RemarQ http://www.remarQ.com Message-ID: <8tppi9$kao$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.140.16.137 X-Trace: 973105545 LGTBT6QCL1089D48CC uk26.supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27528 Has anyone in the UK any experience of treating their Bees homoeopathically for mite infestation or disease. If so advice on remedies, potency.method and frequency of application would be appreciated Wilf Article 27529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0480.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 14:35:16 -0600 Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3qs00t4cn6q375910aijkt44qdov56i277@4ax.com> References: <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0480.nts-online.net (216.167.132.225) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973110917 24690692 216.167.132.225 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27529 >My daughter in law is a doctor I know we must consider the infallibility of doctors these days, however it sounds like she has heard about infant botulism but doesn't know the whole story. Then Kent Stienburg said: >What your daughter in law is trying to say is that honey MIGHT contain >spores that can cause infant botulism. These spores appear in only 7 percent of tested honey, so the risk is low to start with; however, there is still a risk. The word botulism invokes disquiet as the related agents are very deadly. However, it isn't the bacteria from the spores, it's the toxins left behind. (bacterial waste products) Spores left in one's improperly canned green beans because they didn't pay attention to acid levels required to kill the spores is the most common reason people die from 'botulism.' These toxins happen to be one of the world's deadliest poisons. A similar thread to infant botulism was in this group a while back, and I wrote the following post, edited for this posting. (from 5.27.2000) (related to the 'dangers' of refined sugar) The reason infants get "infant botulism" (related to improper canning et.at.) is because they haven't developed enough digestive acid levels in their stomachs to kill the bacteria when it 'hatches' from the spores. Infants in this case, get a mild fever and the runs, with dehydration being the greater danger. We all know of course, it's the mother who should be eating the honey and feeding the infant from her reasonable breasts, this is the best way to feed infants honey. C.K. Article 27530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0480.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:38:18 -0600 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0480.nts-online.net (216.167.132.225) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973114697 24730325 216.167.132.225 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27530 Try to stay on thread Jerome. first you start a thread with: >Separation by Microwave then move it to: >Separation by Microwave -the evil nuker. then to: >"Nuked" (microwaved) Honey this is extremely tedious when trying to follow this thread. Do you teach Chemistry at Virginia Tech Jerome? C.K. Article 27531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0480.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:20:41 -0600 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39FF01F1.1054554E@hotmail.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0480.nts-online.net (216.167.132.225) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973113641 25287216 216.167.132.225 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27531 Scott Perry states: > If I am going to get stung >every day, I'll just stay in the chemical business You don't have to be stung every day Scott, just get a good suit, like the Sheriff 'Beekeeper' (gossamer white nylon) and wear some nitrile gloves. You won't be stung. Some beekeepers like to be stung Scott, these are the same people who like to 'pay' a visit to 'Nurse Wolf' when in the big city. C.K. Article 27532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0480.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:58:03 -0600 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3f310t4u8gafqee2tah62hbcui5dpjpl5d@4ax.com> References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0480.nts-online.net (216.167.132.225) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973115882 24519073 216.167.132.225 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27532 It's Latin Bill, no one really knows how Latin was pronounced because we don't have any recordings of educated Romans speaking. Just suit yourself. I've noticed on the media and in conversation with the 30 somethings that it's become a status thing to pronounce some word 'correctly' as this is supposed to suggest one knows something about it. Of course by their new pronouncement they are really saying they're bone ignorant and assuming you're the same. This poor woman I was talking to recently moved to Pueblo, Colorado and told me straight up that Pueblo isn't pronounced POO EBB LOW it's actually PWEEBLO. Lord Byron pronounced Don Juan (DON WHAN), as DON JEWEN. I guess that's just an invitation to the Spanish to remember the Armada. C.K. Article 27533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Date: 1 Nov 2000 22:46:29 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8tq6g5$jo4$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39FF01F1.1054554E@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp13.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 973118789 20228 128.173.176.162 (1 Nov 2000 22:46:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Nov 2000 22:46:29 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27533 In article , ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com says... > >Scott Perry states: > >> If I am going to get stung >>every day, I'll just stay in the chemical business > >You don't have to be stung every day Scott, just get a good suit, like the >Sheriff 'Beekeeper' (gossamer white nylon) and wear some nitrile gloves. You >won't be stung. > >Some beekeepers like to be stung Scott, these are the same people who like to >'pay' a visit to 'Nurse Wolf' when in the big city. > The old fellow who mentored me with bees a great many years ago had pretty bad arthritis. He claimed his arthritis was always better if he got a few stings. Article 27534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: 1 Nov 2000 22:59:03 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8tq77n$jo4$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp13.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 973119543 20228 128.173.176.162 (1 Nov 2000 22:59:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Nov 2000 22:59:03 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27534 In article , ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com says... > >Try to stay on thread Jerome. Good grief, as topic drift goes I stayed pretty close. By the time most usenet threads get this long the topic has evolved totally. >first you start a thread with: > >>Separation by Microwave And was flamed for even suggesting it. >then move it to: > >>Separation by Microwave -the evil nuker. > >then to: > >>"Nuked" (microwaved) Honey > >this is extremely tedious when trying to follow this thread. Do you teach >Chemistry at Virginia Tech Jerome? No, I teach Physics. Close, but no cigar (sorry Monica). I am not sure what your point is above. Is it that 1.) I should confine all posts to exactly the original question. or 2.) I can allow some drift but should not change the name of the thread to denote that drift. 3.) or what? . Article 27535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3A00A71C.2D9C9AAE@zylay.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:28:28 -0500 From: Gene Organization: http://www.zylay.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39FF01F1.1054554E@hotmail.com> <8tq6g5$jo4$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.143.240.76 X-Trace: 1 Nov 2000 18:31:31 -0500, 205.143.240.76 Lines: 6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl!newsfeed.mia!news.hcs.net!205.143.240.76 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27535 > The old fellow who mentored me with bees a great many years ago had pretty bad > arthritis. He claimed his arthritis was always better if he got a few stings. Have heard of bee sting therapy for arthritis before, so maybe he had a point Article 27536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0236.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 17:44:31 -0600 Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39FF01F1.1054554E@hotmail.com> <8tq6g5$jo4$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0236.nts-online.net (216.167.131.236) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973122270 25198414 216.167.131.236 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27536 >The old fellow who mentored me with bees a great many years ago had pretty bad >arthritis. He claimed his arthritis was always better if he got a few stings. I've also heard all that but I think it had more to do with substituting one pain for another and the chemical respondents from the body's reaction to such an invasion, like cortisone (a substance produced from the cortex of the adrenal gland that has shown dramatic effects on rheumatoid arthritis.) and endorphins (any of a group of opiate proteins with pain-relieving properties that are found naturally in the brain.) that offered some temporary relief. There is new knowledge that suggest bee stings may not be so curative as previously believed. In fact each time your body is invaded by a foreign substance, there is a reaction from the immune system, possibly weakening it. Arthritis is, after all, one's immune system turning on itself, rather like AIDS. Best to not over stress your immune system with a lot of un-natural and invasive substances within your environment or in fact pollution in general, and this includes a steady assault by bee venom. There's one more thing about being constantly stung by bees. You may think you're not allergic but then one day, whammo, you'll go into anaphylactic shock* because your immune system hit the wall. This can kill you of course and it's also very embarrassing. Another hazard of too many stings is if your wife or sexual partner is in fact allergic to bee stings, (and may be unaware of this) bee venom lodges itself in minute quantities within your testes, then one day your sexual partner is violently ill or worse. This condition isn't always so recognizable as anaphylactic shock and is subsequently hard to diagnose when quick treatment is required. *anaphylactic shock n (1910): an often severe and sometimes fatal systemic reaction in a susceptible individual upon exposure to a specific antigen (as wasp venom or penicillin) after PREVIOUS sensitization. C.K. Article 27537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0258.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:37:00 -0600 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8tq77n$jo4$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0258.nts-online.net (216.167.132.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973125419 25064037 216.167.132.3 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27537 >Good grief, as topic drift goes I stayed pretty close. By the time > most usenet threads get this long the topic has evolved totally. Topic evolution doesn't bother me but changing the title of the thread when the topic is still relative (microwaves in this case) does. >.And was flamed for even suggesting it. Sorry Jerome, it is a religion... what did you expect? >No, I teach Physics. Close, but no cigar (sorry Monica). > I am not sure what your point is above. Is it that 1.) I should confine > all posts to exactly the original question. or 2.) I can allow some > drift but should not change the name of the thread to denote that > drift. 3.) or what? Humm. a man of science. William Burrows, a great American, once said: "scientist, no job too dirty for a fuckin' scientist." However, don't get me wrong, I'm a sturdy supporter of the UCS. In regard to your questions: 1. NO, drift all you want if it's evolved from the original thread, just keep the same thread so everything regarding that thread is in one place. 2. YES, that's right, if the post is still in regard to the original thread. In the case of the drifting threads, (above) it was 'microwaves.' 3. (or What?) Explain to me Jerome, the concept of NO TIME. This might be a good time to start a new thread. C.K. Article 27538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news-hub.cableinet.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3A00238D.7806A99F@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:07:09 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 20 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27538 "Jerome R. Long" wrote:
My daughter in law is a doctor and my grandson is ten months old. I am told he
cannot be fed any honey until he is at least three years old. The word botulism
was mumbled. Can anyone enlighten me on this restriction? I thought honey had
all these miraculous positive qualities (that are allegedly destroyed by heat).
Our doctor told us 3 years as well. All my bee books indicate 1 year. We are following the doctor's orders however. 
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  Article 27539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apis mellifera mellifera Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:48:36 +0100 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8trkhk$8bj$2@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip106.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 973165940 8563 195.249.242.106 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27539 From the Danish Beekeeper magazine! the fourth International conference about the brown bees. held 19-25 august in Sweden. SICAMM (Societas Internationalis pro Conservatione Apis mellifera mellifera. president Josef Stark (Sweeden) next konference will be held in Poland 2002. I am looking for more information about this. -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 20-09-2000 home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 27540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: three vs. two Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:27:10 -0800 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8tru5o$kqb$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup17.ticony1.capital.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 973175800 21323 209.23.15.17 (2 Nov 2000 14:36:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Nov 2000 14:36:40 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27540 Hi all, During the cell size debate I started thinking about bee populations. If I use pierco frames instead of wooden frames it gives me 15% more brood that can be raised. This creates a possible greater population than using wooden frames. Problem is brood chamber congestion. Why do we (Beekeepers) use two deep boxes for the queen to lay? Young queens can easily fill two brood chambers then congestion sets in and they swarm. Wouldn't by using three deeps create adequate queen space allow for easier splitting if desired, and control swarming a little better? What effect would three bodies have on honey production? Would to much honey be stored in the third thus reducing your crop to much? What do ye all think? Clayton Huestis Crown Point, NY Article 27541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:11:05 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 47 Message-ID: <8tribh$qnk$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tee4q$ftc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tepot$qub$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8th469$cfr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userds05.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 973163697 27380 62.188.6.111 (2 Nov 2000 11:14:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Nov 2000 11:14:57 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27541 Long snip... HMF is. Then today I see that Jorn Johanesson has provided the link to > make it easy for us. I guess that's the difference between searching > for truth and going at it with a mind that is already made up. Further snip.. He should know about minds aready made up! I do hate it when people think their opinion is more important than the facts. The sneering tone of voice shows so clearly in the snipped bits, or at least, that's how it reads to me. Unfortunately the writer didn't really seem to understand what HMF is and why it's worth knowing about. HMF (hydroxymethylfurfuraldehyde) is produced in mixtures/foods containing sugars. If cold, it appears very slowly. The hotter, the faster. This is why it is a fair measuring indicator for how much a sugary food has been heated, or how long it has been on the shelf. Jam, for instance, contains far far larger amounts of HMF than any heated honey unless that honey has been turned to a black treacly mess. Similarly, old honey will contain more than new, though in this case the amounts are small. What the writer seems to have missed is that HMF is a harmless chemical and of no interest except as a guide to past heating/time elapsed. It is chosen for analysis mainly because it is one of the easier substances to test for. Eat it with confidence - you do every time you eat a cake cooked with honey or sweets made from honey. I shall continue to heat my honey when I need to, bearing in mind the principle that warm for a long time may cause more changes than hot for a short time. That's why I use the Microwave on single pots of honey I want free of crystals - you can get them hot in 2 minutes, dissolve the crystals, and cool them again very soon, so very little else happens to the honey. The alternative is a day or more at 40C or 45C which may cause more change. On another tack, people who decry warming honey obviously do not encounter oilseed rape (colza) honey. This solidifies in the comb very rapidly, and sets to a rockike hardness unless processed carefully. Anti-heat people would be forever giving supers of set comb back to their bees and breaking knives regularly trying to get honey out of jars. OSR honey would make nice bowling balls if hung up in a filter for more than a day. By the way, is it a good thing to use women's clothing as filter cloth when there is much better purpose made graduated filter cloth available from suppliers? Martin. MK,UK Article 27542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apimondia new dates Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:46:17 +0100 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8trkhj$8bj$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip106.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 973165939 8563 195.249.242.106 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27542 Source president for Apimondia Asger Soegaard Joergensen who is also beekeeping consultant in Denmark E-Mail asj@krl.dk The Apimondia Congress has moved to 28. October - 1. November 2001. Still in Durban South Africa reason is that South Africa is elected as host for a world conference against racism, discrimination and fear of strangers in Durban 17/8 to 10/9 2001. it gave a time conflict so Apimondia decided to move to another date, though still in South Africa. -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 20-09-2000 home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 27543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!rddrpx01-port-30.dial.telus.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 06:37:48 -0700 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8trqls$18a9$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tee4q$ftc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tepot$qub$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8th469$cfr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tribh$qnk$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rddrpx01-port-30.dial.telus.net (161.184.16.31) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973172222 41289 161.184.16.31 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27543 > ...old honey will contain more > than new, though in this case the amounts are small. What the writer seems > to have missed is that HMF is a harmless chemical and of no interest except > as a guide to past heating/time elapsed. It is chosen for analysis mainly > because it is one of the easier substances to test for. Eat it with > confidence - you do every time you eat a cake cooked with honey or sweets > made from honey. FWIW, though, apparently HMF is harmful to bees that are confined, and perhaps unconfined bees too. I remember concluding some time back after reading up on the topic that 5 year old honey in the comb would not be very good for bees in spring. More info is in the BEE-L logs at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ . Search for HMF. allen Article 27544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mite fall Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:15:19 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A01D967.83F9106C@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27544 Just an observation, but I noticed it took 46 days for the mites to stop falling on one hive. Another hive is at day 38 with still 50 mites after 24 hours. Both hives initially had hugh mite drops in the high hundreds this fall. Not a significant test, but I thought it was interesting to pass on. Kent Stienburg Article 27545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Heating Honey Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Nov 2000 16:05:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20001102110506.01904.00000711@nso-fn.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27545 There have been a couple of threads related to this subject, I thought it appropriate to just post some research and a summary of research on honey deterioration and heating. Some countries have used chemical quality standards (amylase and/or HMF) that relied on easy to measure chemicals, avoiding the real test ( flavor) because it is difficult to quantify. Here are two articles that are of some interest, both seem objective enough and avoid self serving research so common these days. These are posted just for info to those who are wanting to read research and summary research. I am not into flame contests or related contests of virility. http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/bkCD/Products_Hive/honey_com.html http://www.confex2.com/ift/99annual/abstracts/4590.htm This one is technically correct, but is fraught with [ (national) legal ] opinions of the value of the vitamin content of honey.. Please excuse my editorizing comment on the value of these opinions..... http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/H2O2.html There are many other documents, but many are based in opinion, tradition, marketing, protecting markets, or similar self serving interests. I hope the above will be found valuable to you. Of course, the most valuable book on my shelf in this area is Eva Crane's (editor), Honey. I need an updated copy. Article 27546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!nnrp1.sbc.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Lowell and Diane Hutchison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: missouri bee keeping Lines: 3 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup1.1.ccp.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:01:31 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.193.195.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: nnrp1.sbc.net 973209686 207.193.195.8 (Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:01:26 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:01:26 CST Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27546 This ad has been pulled! Article 27547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A01F52B.B954B416@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: three vs. two References: <8tru5o$kqb$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:13:47 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 973206719 206.231.24.203 (Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:11:59 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:11:59 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27547 I used 3 deeps for many years. I found that many combs were not used by the bees for raising brood. Combs in the bottom box contained pollen and nectar, but brood was scattered. I think 3 boxes is good for novices and backyard beekeepers who rarely inspect their bees. It helps with swarming. The bees use the bottom combs for storing incomming nectar, so it doesn't plug up the brood nest. Try putting a dark combs under a strong colony during a honeyflow and see how much nectar shakes out after a day. This can be a good temporary swarm prevtion maneuver. If the queen is confined to 2 brood chambers she will use most of the comb space for brood. Nectar will be put in the supers where it belongs. Her performance can more easily be judged when in 2 chambers. Ultimately she should have enough comb space to lay where brood has just hatched. If there are too many combs, she can't revisit the comb soon enough and the bees plug it with pollen or nectar before she can lay in it. The result I have sometimes mistaken for a failing queen. If you feel that you must give them more room, why not use a super. When it is filled with an early honey like dandelion, it can help keep her below. Most of my colonies are setup like this. Sure there's brood in it early, but she soon moves down. huestis wrote: > Hi all, > > During the cell size debate I started thinking about bee populations. If I > use pierco frames instead of wooden frames it gives me 15% more brood that > can be raised. This creates a possible greater population than using wooden > frames. Problem is brood chamber congestion. Why do we (Beekeepers) use > two deep boxes for the queen to lay? Young queens can easily fill two brood > chambers then congestion sets in and they swarm. Wouldn't by using three > deeps create adequate queen space allow for easier splitting if desired, and > control swarming a little better? What effect would three bodies have on > honey production? Would to much honey be stored in the third thus reducing > your crop to much? What do ye all think? > > Clayton Huestis > Crown Point, NY Article 27548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!194.25.134.62!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!grolier!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new to this-any help for a beginner-yorkshire-based u.k. Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:36:33 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20001028095218.21593.00000239@ng-mj1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973205684 nnrp-04:19452 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27548 In article <20001028095218.21593.00000239@ng-mj1.aol.com>, Rooskwy writes >help!!! Join your local association. You'll get lots of help from friendly folk. If you want to get help from the newsgroup describe the kind of help you want or the problem you think you have. There's lots of folk out here itching to give you help. -- James Kilty Article 27549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spiders Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:32:05 +0000 Message-ID: References: <59ahvs8egj73v7r8r3ar2reqejqkir0qtk@4ax.com> <20001031210046.07702.00000451@ng-bk1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973205683 nnrp-04:19452 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27549 In article <20001031210046.07702.00000451@ng-bk1.aol.com>, Blue Taz37 writes >Be careful when lift the lid, I have BlackWidow under the edge of the cover. >Good things I wore gloves. Fortunately in this country we have no poisonous spiders. The ones described are friendly to the beekeeper and a few bees rent is a low price for their help!! Every hive should have one. Too many and they'll sort each other out. -- James Kilty Article 27550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax processing Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:51:21 +0000 Message-ID: References: <39ff5813.6685022@news.asiaonline.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973205695 nnrp-04:19452 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27550 In article <39ff5813.6685022@news.asiaonline.net.au>, Les Redding writes >We are currently using beeswax in some of our processes, and find >adding a relatively large (2 kg.) top-up amount of wax in one lump >causes temperature instability that is rather hard to predict. What is the temperature of the substance to which you are adding the wax? If it is higher than the melting point of wax then why not add molten wax. Otherwise, try pouring just molten wax into a large tub of water from a height and move the flow around. My guess is you'll end up with lots of little lumps. -- James Kilty Article 27551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:47:19 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973205685 nnrp-04:19452 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27551 In article <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Jerome R. Long writes >My daughter in law is a doctor and my grandson is ten months old. I am told he >cannot be fed any honey until he is at least three years old. The word botulism >was mumbled. Can anyone enlighten me on this restriction? I thought honey had >all these miraculous positive qualities (that are allegedly destroyed by heat). > From what I have heard and read it is basically a scare story IMHO. A few cases of botulism in infants were associated with honey without any proper evidence at all. You cannot be sure infants digestive systems will kill the organism until 1 year. Honey can contain botulism. It is everywhere as it comes from the soil. So to play safe, suppliers label their honey as not suitable for infants under 12 months. If only we were so cautious about what we dump in the rivers, sea, land and air; what we take into ourselves in the way of antibiotics, vaccines (especially those with mercury in them), food additives; what we spray on our crops and weeds; how we kill our food animals .... I am sure friends on this list could list a few more. It seems an odd bit of logic but presumably comes from our love for little ones. Pity about the vaccines... -- James Kilty Article 27552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:43:28 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tee4q$ftc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tepot$qub$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8th469$cfr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tribh$qnk$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973213047 nnrp-09:3581 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27552 In article <8tribh$qnk$1@lure.pipex.net>, Pamela Buckle writes snip >I shall continue to heat my honey when I need to, bearing in mind the >principle that warm for a long time may cause more changes than hot for a >short time. That's why I use the Microwave on single pots of honey I want >free of crystals The original argument started if I remember from so long ago about using *microwave* to heat honey. The discussion about HMF became a diversion or Aunt Sally (set up to knock down - not deliberately here). There was research (which I cannot give as a precise reference as I cannot remember) which showed the destruction of the enzymes in honey by microwave. These enzymes do have beneficial effects on the honey and its properties - again I do not have the reference. Maybe someone else can give them. I do warm honey as minimally as I can if I must provide clear honey for sale (or to put in tea or coffee or on muesli...) and though some people do detect a difference in taste and there are detectable changes, to my unsophisticated palate there is no difference with my honeys and I find them always delicious. Nor are the enzymes destroyed unless the heating is excessive: more than quoted. Nor have I had any complaints. -- James Kilty Article 27553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:48:10 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8tq77n$jo4$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973213048 nnrp-09:3581 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27553 In article <8tq77n$jo4$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Jerome R. Long writes snip > And was flamed for even suggesting it. snip > I am not sure what your point is above. Is it that 1.) I should confine > all posts to exactly the original question. or 2.) I can allow some > drift but should not change the name of the thread to denote that > drift. 3.) or what? There comes a time when any point gets lost. Maybe this is it. -- James Kilty Article 27554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Nov 2000 01:13:13 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001102201313.19658.00000223@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27554 Doctors kill more children than honey. Last I looked at the estimate for malpractice/medical misfortune the death toll was higher than for gun violence/accident. Tom Article 27555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0936.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 20:01:46 -0600 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0936.nts-online.net (216.167.136.45) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973216907 192009 216.167.136.45 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27555 >This one is from Greek and is made from >2 words meli with the accent on the (e) m(e)li >which means honey, and the 2nd word is from >fero with the accent on the (e) f(e)ro which >means I carry. If you put both words together >it is pronounced with the accent on the (i) >mel(i)-fera and it means honey-carrier. >Apis melifera=honey-carrier bee. >Hope this helps. At least we all agree on the Latin word 'Apis.' There is also a Latin word: Mellifer (fera and ferum) it means honey-bearing. There are many derivatives in English from Latin and Greek, but mellifera is Latin not Greek. It doesn't even sound like Greek. The Romans borrowed many forms from the Greeks but not linguistic ones. Their language does not derive from Greek. However, in this case both words are too similar in appearance and meaning to think the Romans didn't adopt it into Latin. Romans certainly admired the Greeks and even took their gods, but changed all their names. Just out of curiosity, I noticed the Greek word for honey as you've pointed out, but no words for bee.. Any Greek words for 'bee?' C.K. Article 27556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-5.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mite fall Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:49:23 -0700 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8ttckd$695c$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <3A01D967.83F9106C@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-5.internode.net (198.161.229.181) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973223374 205996 198.161.229.181 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27556 What is causing these mites to fall? allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > ...I noticed it took 46 days for the mites to stop > falling on one hive. Another hive is at day 38 with still 50 mites > after 24 hours. Both hives initially had hugh mite drops in the high > hundreds this fall... Article 27557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-5.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:59:58 -0700 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8ttd88$5u1h$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39FF01F1.1054554E@hotmail.com> <8tq6g5$jo4$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-5.internode.net (198.161.229.181) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973224009 194609 198.161.229.181 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27557 > ...Another hazard of too many stings is if your wife or sexual partner is in fact > allergic to bee stings, (and may be unaware of this) bee venom lodges itself > in minute quantities within your testes, then one day your sexual partner is > violently ill or worse... Gee Charlie, it's not April 1st, but that's a good one just the same. Article 27558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0903.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 23:12:52 -0600 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <49i40tcjh34rfi522j8k3iu9cok3560gbt@4ax.com> References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39FF01F1.1054554E@hotmail.com> <8tq6g5$jo4$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8ttd88$5u1h$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0903.nts-online.net (216.167.136.12) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973228380 173593 216.167.136.12 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27558 >Gee Charlie, it's not April 1st, but that's a good one just the same Laugh it up but I shit you not. C.K. Article 27559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!celynnen.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Dick Thompson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mothballs to preserve honeycomb??? Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:53:53 -0000 Message-ID: <973284889.27972.0.nnrp-12.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: celynnen.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: celynnen.demon.co.uk:212.228.187.57 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973284889 nnrp-12:27972 NO-IDENT celynnen.demon.co.uk:212.228.187.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27559 I have been having trouble obtaining Paradichlorobenzine to store my supers over the winter. Someone has suggested to me that I use Naphthaline mothballs, as these are readily available. Has anyone any idea whether this is acceptable practise? Article 27560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rsbrenchley@aol.com (RSBrenchley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Nov 2000 19:55:52 GMT References: <39ff6622.354096142@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Message-ID: <20001103145552.07923.00000341@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27560 >It was my honey not the store bought >stuff that comes from God knows where, being handled by people without >running water, in the middle of the jungle where they wipe their tails >with leaves. Get my drift. Now really, Beekeep, you're probably talking about the sort of place where my wife and kids come from. Aside from the nasty racist comment, is there any evidence that anyone has ever actually contracted botulism from honey? Regards, Robert Brenchley RSBrenchley@aol.com Article 27561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Nov 2000 12:26:00 GMT References: <49i40tcjh34rfi522j8k3iu9cok3560gbt@4ax.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001103072600.09455.00000271@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27561 Once upon a time I heard it explained as the bee venom exposure your family gets that comes in on your clothing and gear. Can somebody describe this commercial? I gave up television in favor of my internet addiction. Tom Article 27562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001014163624.15717.00000111@ng-fw1.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: Beeswax Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 21:31:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.20.67.125 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 973287073 63.20.67.125 (Fri, 03 Nov 2000 13:31:13 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 13:31:13 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27562 i am interested....I tried to email you, but got Mailer Demon saying your address was incorrect. "Robert Williamson" wrote in message news:20001014163624.15717.00000111@ng-fw1.news.cs.com... > I know we are all Beekeepers here, but I figure I'll try anyway;) I'm selling > beeswax @ 3.50lb. for anyone thats interested. Its in 2 pound filtered blocks. > Larger orders means cheaper wax. > > thanks > > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" > Article 27563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rsbrenchley@aol.com (RSBrenchley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whitewash may reduce pesticide use Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Nov 2000 19:31:11 GMT References: <20001101130812.24780.00000032@ng-cd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Message-ID: <20001103143111.07923.00000332@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27563 > A whitewash made from clay (yup, clay!) may improve the possibilities of >organic fruit production. At least is has the potential to greatly reduce >pesticide use, because it makes a physical barrier for insects. It also >protects fruit from damaging spectra of light, can serve as a frost barrier >and >has many other advantages that are yet unexplored. Best of all, it's >non-toxic >(some of the pills you take have kaolin clay as a base). I expect it should >be >non-toxic to bees. > >The full story: >http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/nov00/white1100.htm > > Non-toxic no doubt, but does that make it friendly to bees? Isn't it possible that they may collect the clay, which is a very fine powder when dry, in misake for pollen? Regards, Robert Brenchley RSBrenchley@aol.com Article 27564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.interpacket.net!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Load of Crap Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Message-ID: <031120001756383347%loading@crap.com> References: <39ff6622.354096142@news1.radix.net> <20001103145552.07923.00000341@ng-da1.aol.com> <3a033db9.128868829@news1.radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 13 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:56:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.158.156 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 973299395 161.184.158.156 (Fri, 03 Nov 2000 17:56:35 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 17:56:35 MST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27564 > beekeep wrote: > > where they wipe their " TAILS " with leaves. Get my drift. Yah we all got your drift > That's not being a racist, it's being a realist. Naaaaah that's being a racist > The more people I meet the more I like my bees. The more you post the more WE like your bees also. Article 27565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "CVSoderquist" References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:04:05 -0700 Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co1a-43.rasserver.net 204.32.148.43 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27565 Mellisa Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:ob640tccdb05v6al7c6mdfdiag7olpjd76@4ax.com... > >This one is from Greek and is made from > >2 words meli with the accent on the (e) m(e)li > >which means honey, and the 2nd word is from > >fero with the accent on the (e) f(e)ro which > >means I carry. If you put both words together > >it is pronounced with the accent on the (i) > >mel(i)-fera and it means honey-carrier. > >Apis melifera=honey-carrier bee. > >Hope this helps. > > At least we all agree on the Latin word 'Apis.' > > There is also a Latin word: Mellifer (fera and ferum) it means honey-bearing. > > There are many derivatives in English from Latin and Greek, but mellifera is > Latin not Greek. It doesn't even sound like Greek. > > The Romans borrowed many forms from the Greeks but not linguistic ones. Their > language does not derive from Greek. However, in this case both words are too > similar in appearance and meaning to think the Romans didn't adopt it into > Latin. > > Romans certainly admired the Greeks and even took their gods, but changed all > their names. > > Just out of curiosity, I noticed the Greek word for honey as you've pointed > out, but no words for bee.. Any Greek words for 'bee?' > > C.K. Article 27566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spiders Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Nov 2000 01:34:17 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001103203417.21466.00000199@ng-ck1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27566 >The ones >described are friendly to the beekeeper James Kilty Well I understand other spider But, here in Va. those Black widow are dead poison if get bit on your finger. Tim Article 27567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mothballs to preserve honeycomb??? Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 18:15:40 -0600 Organization: EnterAct Corp. Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <973284889.27972.0.nnrp-12.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-229-151-240.d.enteract.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.enteract.com 973296989 99943 207.229.151.240 (4 Nov 2000 00:16:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@enteract.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Nov 2000 00:16:29 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27567 in article 973284889.27972.0.nnrp-12.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk, Dick Thompson at dick@celynnen.demon.co.uk wrote on 11/3/00 2:53 PM: > I have been having trouble obtaining Paradichlorobenzine to store my supers > over the winter. > > Someone has suggested to me that I use Naphthaline mothballs, as these are > readily available. Has anyone any idea whether this is acceptable practise? > > Here it is again, http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/waxmoth.htm Article 27568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mite fall Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 21:38:08 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A037690.96D512B7@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3A01D967.83F9106C@kingston.net> <8ttckd$695c$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27568 Hi Allen, The mites are falling because I have Apistan in. I guess my point was you need to keep the Apistan in for the entire time. I wish I had done the screened bottom before. I am very interested to see what the mite fall will be like next summer when there is no Apistan in. Also, the amount of mite drop at the beginning exceeded anything I would have imagined. However, since this is the first time I don't know what other years have been like. If I had removed the strips even 10 days early I would have left 200 or so mites in the hive. I had no mites fall for 2 days prior to removal. Does this mean there are no mites left..??? I don't know. I'll check the trays in the spring. There appears to be a good population of young bees for the winter and the hives have attained their winter weight so I'm optimistic. Kent Stienburg Article 27569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Fr-Athanasios" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:54:31 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.115.185 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 973305909 209.100.115.185 (Fri, 03 Nov 2000 20:45:09 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 20:45:09 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27569 "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message > There is also a Latin word: Mellifer (fera and ferum) it means honey-bearing. And it is deriving from the original in Greek. > There are many derivatives in English from Latin and Greek, but mellifera is > Latin not Greek. It doesn't even sound like Greek. I am Greek and it sounds very; Greek to me. > The Romans borrowed many forms from the Greeks but not linguistic ones. They didn't borrow, they stole everything. Even the name they use (Roman) is Greek from the Romioi which means the brave Hellenes. Their name is Latins from the tribe of the Latins. > Romans certainly admired the Greeks and even took their gods, but changed all > their names. Same as they took a lot of the ancient Greek words made some changes to them so they appear and sound different. The same thing is happening from Greek with the English language. > Just out of curiosity, I noticed the Greek word for honey as you've pointed > out, but no words for bee.. Any Greek words for 'bee?' > C.K. The Greek word for bee is Melissa, with the accent on the (e) M(e)lissa. Article 27570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Fr-Athanasios" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> <8tvfg9$ca3$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:10:33 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.115.185 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 973303246 209.100.115.185 (Fri, 03 Nov 2000 20:00:46 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 20:00:46 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27570 "Jerome R. Long" wrote in message news:8tvfg9$ca3$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > In article , > I'll ask someone who knows and get back...but do you happen to know the name > of the very pricey honey they push to tourists in Greece. I was tempted to > buy some there last summer, but one is asking for trouble when they pack a > glass jar of honey in airline luggage. It is either thyme or savory honey. Most of the hillsides of the mainland and the islands are covered with these plants, an excellent bee forage that produce a beautiful ruby color and very tasting honey. I was watching the tv program "amazing destinations" about 2 months ago and they stated that " the hillsides of mount Parnassos produce the finest honey in the world" Article 27571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 22:39:45 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3a033db9.128868829@news1.radix.net> References: <39ff6622.354096142@news1.radix.net> <20001103145552.07923.00000341@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p35.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27571 On 03 Nov 2000 19:55:52 GMT, rsbrenchley@aol.com (RSBrenchley) wrote: >>It was my honey not the store bought >>stuff that comes from God knows where, being handled by people without >>running water, in the middle of the jungle where they wipe their tails >>with leaves. Get my drift. > >Now really, Beekeep, you're probably talking about the sort of place where my >wife and kids come from. Aside from the nasty racist comment, is there any >evidence that anyone has ever actually contracted botulism from honey? > >Regards, > >Robert Brenchley > >RSBrenchley@aol.com That's not being a racist, it's being a realist. Most places in South America where they keep AHB are very remote and they don't have running water. Hell, we can't drink the water without getting sick there. The same is true in China. beekeep The more people I meet the more I like my bees. Article 27572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Date: 3 Nov 2000 22:50:49 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 38 Message-ID: <8tvfg9$ca3$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp13.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 973291849 12611 128.173.176.162 (3 Nov 2000 22:50:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Nov 2000 22:50:49 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27572 In article , ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com says... > >>This one is from Greek and is made from >>2 words meli with the accent on the (e) m(e)li >>which means honey, and the 2nd word is from >>fero with the accent on the (e) f(e)ro which >>means I carry. If you put both words together >>it is pronounced with the accent on the (i) >>mel(i)-fera and it means honey-carrier. >>Apis melifera=honey-carrier bee. >>Hope this helps. > >At least we all agree on the Latin word 'Apis.' > >There is also a Latin word: Mellifer (fera and ferum) it means honey-bearing. > >There are many derivatives in English from Latin and Greek, but mellifera is >Latin not Greek. It doesn't even sound like Greek. > >The Romans borrowed many forms from the Greeks but not linguistic ones. Their >language does not derive from Greek. However, in this case both words are too >similar in appearance and meaning to think the Romans didn't adopt it into >Latin. > >Romans certainly admired the Greeks and even took their gods, but changed all >their names. > >Just out of curiosity, I noticed the Greek word for honey as you've pointed >out, but no words for bee.. Any Greek words for 'bee?' I'll ask someone who knows and get back...but do you happen to know the name of the very pricey honey they push to tourists in Greece. I was tempted to buy some there last summer, but one is asking for trouble when they pack a glass jar of honey in airline luggage. Article 27573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mothballs to preserve honeycomb??? Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Nov 2000 22:57:31 GMT References: <973284889.27972.0.nnrp-12.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001103175731.18892.00000518@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27573 > >Someone has suggested to me that I use Naphthaline mothballs, They are death to your bees and will ruin the combs for further use. Tom Article 27574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0957.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 23:37:19 -0600 Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3A00238D.7806A99F@nospam.boeing.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0957.nts-online.net (216.167.136.66) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973316242 458617 216.167.136.66 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27574 Billy Smart any chance of you configuring your news reader to send plain text messages. Every time you sent a post it appears as an attachment (in line apparently) and then on my end this requires a separate application to be launched before it can be read. C.K. Article 27575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0957.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 23:41:08 -0600 Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0957.nts-online.net (216.167.136.66) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973316471 458617 216.167.136.66 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27575 >Mellisa Mellisa what? Is this the Greek word for bee? Is this what you're saying? C.K. Article 27576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0957.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 23:56:08 -0600 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0957.nts-online.net (216.167.136.66) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973317369 425532 216.167.136.66 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27576 >The same thing is happening from Greek >with the English language. Really? What English words are creeping into Greek? Lite Beer? There's lots of Greek words in English, like Psycho. You ever hear the old Vaudeville joke about the guy that ask about his wife and he's told she's in bed with Arthritis and he says I'll kill that Greek bastard. There used to be some great 'ethnic' humour in the U.S. before our culture was wrecked by corporate sensibilities and now we're politically correct and very boring. C.K. Article 27610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: leggsafton@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: undeveloped wings Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 14:16:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8u6eg1$7mo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.54.22.204 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Nov 06 14:16:39 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.54.22.204 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDleggsafton Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27610 I just went in and removed the Apistan strips from my hives and I noticed in one hive that there were some capped brood cells that the caps had been cut on and the bees inside were dead and there were some worker bees in the hive that had only partially developed wings. I remember reading about something causing this with the wings but don't remember what. Is there anything I should be treating with now? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3A06CD79.7E43C97F@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3A00238D.7806A99F@nospam.boeing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:25:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27611 Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > Billy Smart any chance of you configuring your news reader to send plain text > messages. Every time you sent a post it appears as an attachment (in line > apparently) and then on my end this requires a separate application to be > launched before it can be read. > > C.K. Is this better? My apologies, looks all the same from my end... -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 27612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Imported Honey Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:13:36 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8u6kic$m33$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39FE8534.55A31C5A@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-37.finasteride.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 973526412 22627 62.136.94.165 (6 Nov 2000 16:00:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Nov 2000 16:00:12 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27612 Whilst it sounds like a good way of promoting local honey, I would not think it wise to link the idea of causing allergies with any honey. "Scott G. Perry" wrote in message news:39FE8534.55A31C5A@hotmail.com... > Some one told me that imported honeys can cause allergic reactions more > readily than doemstic honey. Truth? > > Scott > Article 27613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning frames Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:06:21 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 45 Message-ID: <8u6kie$m33$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-37.finasteride.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 973526414 22627 62.136.94.165 (6 Nov 2000 16:00:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Nov 2000 16:00:14 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27613 Several comments: There is no such thing as 'excess honey' - every drop is valuable and should not be wasted as it takes a great deal of work by the bees to collect. Washing it away is like throwing away coins because you think that only notes are worth keeping! I would not put super above the crown board. I know that this is accepted as 'the right way to do it', but the number of dead bees found later on the crownboard suggests to me that they either suffocate in the enclosed space, or become very sticky with the honey and then die. I put supers back below the crownboard, reasoning that they will not suffocate and, if they do become sticky and drop down to the queen excluder, then others bees will clean them up. Since doing this I no longer have little heaps of dead bees - and these bees are even more valuable in the autumn because they are the young bees for winter. Leave the supers until the weather turns cold and then remove those that have no honey; usually the bees take it all down into the brood box, but if there is some in the first super then leave that on to add to their stores. I am picking up my supers now for storage. There is another great advantage to this method in that the bees will keep the supers free of waxmoth and you will find that, by removing them now when it is much colder, you can store them without fear of waxmoth damage. "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:pq9hvsko9sm1gtmnk0osmldb91kibubdgb@4ax.com... > I have only been keeping bees over the past couple of years and this > year is the first that I have had a reasonable amount of frames to > deal with. > > In one of the books I read it said that the best way to clean excess > honey from frames you recently extracted honey from was to place the > super above a crown board with the access hole or whatever you call > it, open. The bees, feeling that the super was not truly a part of the > hive because of its separation, would clean off the frames and take > the excess honey below. Whilst this did work on most of the frames > they actually began storing honey in the central three frames. > > Being late in the season I was stuck so I took the super home and > immersed the frames in a sink of warm water and washed the stored > honey out. > > Does anybody have any comments on this? Did I do something worng? Article 27614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Homoeopathic Treatment Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:49:48 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8u6kid$m33$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8tppi9$kao$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-37.finasteride.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 973526413 22627 62.136.94.165 (6 Nov 2000 16:00:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Nov 2000 16:00:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27614 See Bee Craft - October 2000 "Wilf Baker" wrote in message news:8tppi9$kao$1@supernews.com... > Has anyone in the UK any experience of treating their Bees homoeopathically > for mite infestation or disease. If so advice on remedies, potency.method > and frequency of application would be appreciated > > Wilf > > Article 27615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A06DC43.661BF70C@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial (RANT) References: <8u1k9301a0u@drn.newsguy.com> <20001104185603.19704.00000714@ng-ff1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 10:28:51 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.173 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 973528096 209.248.4.173 (Mon, 06 Nov 2000 11:28:16 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 11:28:16 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27615 BeeCrofter wrote: > > Well if State Farm hired this clown then the solution is to not buy their > products. > Or any products this guy is involved with and to be very vocal about it. > All they care about is their wallet hit em there and hit em hard. > > Tom It was a COMMERCIAL!!!, it was HUMOR!!! - jeez, don't you people ever crack a smile??? Think I'll stroll over to the ilovemysnake group to see if they are equally upset about the recent FedX commercial....(or was that UPS?) AL Article 27616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." Subject: Paint Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:35:56 -0800 Lines: 18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust82.tnt11.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.23.31.82 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa09 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27616 Hi< Do you guys paint the bottom boards in your hives (one or both sides)? I usually only paint the boxes & tops but wondered if it would be a good idea to paint the bottom boards when I replace them with new ones or if there was some reason they shouldn't be painted. Thanks, Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. Article 27617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!ord-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.uiowa.edu!black.weeg.uiowa.edu!mcicha From: "Michael Z. Cicha" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mothballs to preserve honeycomb??? Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:34:41 -0600 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <973284889.27972.0.nnrp-12.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> <8u40h0$c6i$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: black.weeg.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: flood.weeg.uiowa.edu 973528482 13316 128.255.56.4 (6 Nov 2000 16:34:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.uiowa.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Nov 2000 16:34:42 GMT X-Sender: mcicha@black.weeg.uiowa.edu In-Reply-To: Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27617 On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Scot Mc Pherson wrote: > If you have trouble finding acetic acid, you can get it at your local > grocery store..the purest form at the grocer is "distilled white vinegar. > Distilled white vinegar purchased at the local grocery store is generally acetic acid diluted to 5 %. I am not sure where to get concentrated acetic acid except from a commercial supplier. Article 27618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Scott Franklin" From: "Scott Franklin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Can mothballs harm bees? Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:30:17 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.48.114 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 973646684 208.25.48.114 (Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:24:44 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:24:44 PST Organization: InReach Internet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27618 I have an ant problem on my property and I have found that mothballs drive the ants away. But if I use them near the beehive will it harm the bees? Scott Article 27619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.icl.net!ldn-newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.speedport.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Insufficient Stores & Wax Moths X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3A06DC7C.EE7C071B@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:29:48 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 46 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27619 Group, I am a first year newbie so every season is a new season for me. OK, I am probably a little late getting to it but I did a fall management inspection over the weekend and I am finding that a prolonged drought through the months of July-Sept. has apparently robbed me of a fall flow sufficient enough to get winter stores. So, 4 of my 5 hives need feeding and I am doing that - 2:1 syrup in 1 gallon pails inverted over the inner cover opening. However, a couple of the hives are almost completely devoid of any stores and I am seeing signs of wax moths in them as well. I found a cocoon in one hive on one frame and around 3 frames with cocoons in another. Does this mean I am too late? I read the presence of moths is indicative of low populations. All are queen right and all but one have capped brood. I worry I may not have enough population for overwintering the two weakest hives - not to mention controlling the wax moths. Will the 2:1 syrup I am feeding stimulate the queen to start laying more? Could I feed 1:1 to stimulate brood rearing? I think I may take the inner cover off those weak ones and put 4 1-gallon buckets over the tops of the bars so they can bring the feed in faster. I am afraid they may not be able to gather enough syrup before it gets too cold. Can they get syrup out of a pail with temperatures in the 40s? Is it too late to save the two weakest hives? Bees cover 5-6 of the 10 frames in each (2) deep boxes. I would have though that this was enough but now the moths make me think otherwise. I'm sure the root problem has been a lack of nectar, I would hate to have to destroy a couple of perfectly good queens and combine with another colony. When mixing syrup, is it important to heat the water? I just "eyeball" the sugar to 2/3 of the gallon bucket and then fill with cold tap water to the gallon mark. I stir until all the grit goes. Other than making it easier to mix, is there a reason to heat the water? They don't appear to be taking this syrup as fast as they did the 1:1 in the spring, but I heated the water then and I am not now. I am located in South Central Kansas. Thanks, -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 27620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Date: 8 Nov 2000 03:59:14 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8uaj2i$hcr$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad2436.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 973655954 17819 128.173.36.54 (8 Nov 2000 03:59:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Nov 2000 03:59:14 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27620 In article <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net>, buzzybee@capital.net says... > >Hi all, > >There seems to be many that believe that 4.9mm cells are the natural cell >size for our bees. Whether or not this is true seems to be unimportant. We >know that honeybees are capable of living in many different cell sizes. >What seems important is the affect that 4.9mm cells have on varroa? I guess >what I am trying to say is all that matters is does it work? Other than the >Lusbys has any one had success with small/natural cells vs. varroa? What >effect would hygienic bees and 4.9 cells have on varroa? Just thinking if >it works use it. I'd like to hear results from those who have had success >with this. > >Clayton Huestis For many years the Walter T. Kelly Co. has sold an off-size foundation they call 7-11 for use in supers with the claim that the queen will not lay in the off size cells. As I recall they are smaller than standard. It has worked fairly well in a hive with adequate standard space. Thus, I fail completely to understand this thread. Furthermore, I can see no reason why the mites should care about the cell size. > > Article 27621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1143.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:59:53 -0600 Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3A00238D.7806A99F@nospam.boeing.com> <3A06CD79.7E43C97F@nospam.boeing.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1143.nts-online.net (216.167.136.252) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973652396 1331996 216.167.136.252 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27621 Yes, looks good now. C.K. Article 27622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: waynesallee@aol.com (Wayne Sallee) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Attaching Honeycomb with Hot Wax ? Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Nov 2000 12:32:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20001108073223.22821.00000080@nso-fq.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27622 I'm new to beekeeping as of two days ago. I found a new bee hive in a utility box in the ground. It was attached to the lid of the box. I made a glass bee hive, not for the production of huny at this time, but just to observe, and enjoy. Right now the hive is still attached to the plastic utility box lid, in the hive. I have a glass lid that I am going to attach the hive to. It will then hang from the glass lid that is the right size for the glass hive, instead of haning from the plastic utility box lid as it is now. I need to attach it to the glass lid. I figure I will use a large puddy knife to remove it from the plastic lid, and then poor hot bee's wax on the glass lid, and set the honeycomb, bees and all on the hot wax to attach it to the glass. I figure the hot wax should bond with it quickly, and cool quickly, and be just as strong as if they had done it themselfes. Do you think this will work? Also the plastic lid has a huge gird of about 1 1/2 inch cubed, so when I remove the comb, there will be quit a bit still in the lid. Wayne Sallee http://members.aol.com/waynesallee/weblink.htm Article 27623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paint Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:18:03 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8ubnak$iuu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ubmn4$ied$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.16.162 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Nov 08 14:18:03 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x59.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.161.16.162 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27623 I paint all sides of my bottom boards with a decent quality Latex paint. I find that it helps when cleaning the hive during spring startup. The coating helps me to remove the dead bees and wax particles with little effort instead of sticking in the wood pores. As far as paint driving bees away, I haven't had any problems with that. Paul Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeeds.nerdc.ufl.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paint Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:07:36 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8ubmn4$ied$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Nov 08 14:07:36 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; EDS COE v2000.2) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27624 In article , "J & N F." wrote: > Hi< > Do you guys paint the bottom boards in your hives (one or both sides)? I > usually only paint the boxes & tops but wondered if it would be a good idea to > paint the bottom boards when I replace them with new ones or if there was some > reason they shouldn't be painted. I have used exterior grade paint on both sides of my bottom boards (painted with exterior primer first) have never noticed any problems. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Brown Substance Splattered on Idaho Identified as Bee Waste Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 07:45:28 -0800 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 48 Message-ID: <3A097518.78C001A2@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blayne.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 973698339 19890 129.101.81.91 (8 Nov 2000 15:45:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Nov 2000 15:45:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27625 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:225 Lifted this from the AP this morning. Hehehehee. Mystery Solved Brown Substance Splattered on Idaho Identified as Bee Waste The Associated Press M I D D L E T O N, Idaho, Nov. 8 — The mystery substance that fell from the skies over Meridian, Middleton and Caldwell during the summer has been positively identified as bee waste. The brown and odorless substance splattered homes, cars, flowers and plants for about four months, leaving a mark on everything it touched. Officials from the Department of Environmental Quality suspected that the material was coming from an insect. Prime Conditions for Excess Poop At two sites tested in Ada and Canyon counties, researchers found a number of beehives in neighboring pastures, meaning that large numbers of bees were in areas hit hard by the brown stuff. Recent tests conducted at the University of Idaho’s agricultural extension office made it official. “Isn’t that a kick?” Middleton resident Barbara Jardine said. “I’m surprised, but definitely relieved.” Test results show that the harmless material is comprised mainly of pollen resin, said Michael Toole, an environmental science specialist with the Department of Environmental Quality. Residents in Meridian, Middleton and Caldwell are finally experiencing a reprieve as honeybees hit their hives for the winter. The Treasure Valley’s mild winter last year provided prime conditions for the bees this summer, leading to the excess waste Article 27626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rendering wax Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 16:35:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 52 Message-ID: <8ubvd1$q8t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8uboij$jvr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.17.52 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Nov 08 16:35:45 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.161.17.52 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27626 In article <8uboij$jvr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, leggsafton@my-deja.com wrote: > I am a small beekeeper and have been extracting honey by crushing up > the comb and straining it. When melting down the comb afterwards it > is always difficult to get the wax clean. I have been using a double > boiler, would it make sense after doing this once to get any > salvageable honey out to actually melt the wax again in boiling water > to allow any remaining impurities to sink down to the bottom separated > from the wax by water? My wife wants to make candles from the wax. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > I'd like to add my 2 cents worth here, hoping that it will help you. First, crushing the combs will make separating the wax from the honey much more difficult... Have you considered using an uncapping knife/plane and an extractor? Also, crushing the comb will be more expensive as you have to replace your foundation each time. You will also find that your actual honey production will be smaller as it requires the bees to consume more honey in order for them to generate the wax that you will be crushing. Now for the second question. You can melt your wax twice to clean it more completely. If this is any help, I'll tell you what I do. First, I use an uncapping knife and an extractor. I uncap the frames into a screen which sits over a bowl. This allows the wax and honey some time to separate, letting the honey slowly flow through the screen and into the bowl while the wax stays on top of the screen. Next, I use small disposable aluminum bread pans to float in a stew pot of hot water. I spoon in the pieces of wax a little at a time to allow them to melt. Once the wax is melted, the remaining honey will separate to the bottom of the pan while the liquid wax flows to the top. Once the pan is full, or I have melted all the wax, I take the pans and place them in the refrigerator. When the wax is solid, simply pull outwards all along the sides to break the wax block free. Lift out the wax and the honey is left in the pan. Next, I remelt the wax blocks in the same way as previously described. I take another disposable pan and slide it into the leg of a pair of ladies nylons (the fine weave is great for cleaning wax). After the wax is again melted, pour it slowly through the nylon and into the pan that is inside the leg. All the debris from the wax will be caught on the outside of the leg while the clean wax will flow through the nylon and into the pan. Again, refrigerate the pan holding the wax. Now you will have a nice clean block of wax to work with. I hope this helps, Paul Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <8uaj2i$hcr$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Lines: 54 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:15:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.45.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 973707357 12.72.45.132 (Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:15:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:15:57 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27627 I believe the Kelly 7-11 is between worker and drone cell size. The impact of a smaller cell size on varroa is that a smaller cell results in a shortened development cycle for the bees. Since they emerge earlier, this interferes with the development cycle of varroa. If I recall, it has been determined that reducing the time spent in a sealed cell by only 1 day had a profound impact on the dynamics of varroa populations. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Jerome R. Long" wrote in message news:8uaj2i$hcr$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > In article <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net>, buzzybee@capital.net says... > > > >Hi all, > > > >There seems to be many that believe that 4.9mm cells are the natural cell > >size for our bees. Whether or not this is true seems to be unimportant. We > >know that honeybees are capable of living in many different cell sizes. > >What seems important is the affect that 4.9mm cells have on varroa? I guess > >what I am trying to say is all that matters is does it work? Other than the > >Lusbys has any one had success with small/natural cells vs. varroa? What > >effect would hygienic bees and 4.9 cells have on varroa? Just thinking if > >it works use it. I'd like to hear results from those who have had success > >with this. > > > >Clayton Huestis > For many years the Walter T. Kelly Co. has sold an off-size foundation they > call 7-11 for use in supers with the claim that the queen will not lay in the > off size cells. As I recall they are smaller than standard. It has worked > fairly well in a hive with adequate standard space. Thus, I fail completely > to understand this thread. Furthermore, I can see no reason why the mites > should care about the cell size. > > > > > > Article 27628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: undeveloped wings Message-ID: <3a09aad0.1048837687@west.usenetserver.com> References: <8u6eg1$7mo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A072596.2D6561F2@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <_RKN5.17184$b8.370602@quark.idirect.com> <8u9sta$60d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A0969ED.5F50D719@nospam.boeing.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 32 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:45:23 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 19:35:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27628 Also remember there have been found varroa strains totally resistant to Apistan. Dave On Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:57:49 GMT, "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote: >leggsafton@my-deja.com wrote: >> >> Thanks all. I am picking up some checkmite to treat all my hives >> starting tomorrow as I expect through drifting, that the problem may be >> more widespread as to the resistance even though the other hives look >> strong. THis one surprised me as it had been quite strong not long >> ago. Will also look into the wintergreen treatment. >> >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> Before you buy. > >I think you are being a little too quick to assume you need further >treatment. Yes, deformed wings are indicative of varroa, but if you have >already treated with apistan you may have already taken care of the >problem. The deformed bees are "leftovers" from the prior infestation. >Do a sugar or ether roll test on the hive and see if they still have >varroa before buying those checkmite strips. > >-- >Billy Y. Smart II >/* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ >/* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ >/* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 27629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!nntp.abs.net!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Can mothballs harm bees? Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 16:12:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.248.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 973699947 24.128.248.123 (Wed, 08 Nov 2000 11:12:27 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 11:12:27 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27629 > I have an ant problem on my property and I have found that mothballs drive > the ants away. But if I use them near the beehive will it harm the bees? Yes. Article 27631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Cam Update Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 21:16:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.230 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 973718161 204.186.180.230 (Wed, 08 Nov 2000 16:16:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 16:16:01 EST Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27631 I finally have the bee-cam on our observation hive working pretty good. It is active all week from 8:00 am to 9:00 pm. I also have started putting together a educational picture album, which you can get to from the bee-cam page. http://www.draperbee.com/webcam/beecam%20frames.htm Royal W. Draper Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. 800-233-4273 www.draperbee.com draperb@ptd.net Article 27632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: leggsafton@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rendering wax Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:58:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8uceol$93p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8uboij$jvr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8ubvd1$q8t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.54.22.116 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Nov 08 20:58:02 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.54.22.116 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDleggsafton Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.b