Article 27107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39D861C8.D243D3CF@crosslink.net> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 10:22:00 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small swarm on 9-27-00 References: <39D72DC2.F90FB2E3@crosslink.net> <8r987g$8k7$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn26.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 970495853 2558 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27107 Sorry guys I was in a hurry when I wrote that note. Anyway I am 50 miles south of Wash. DC and these are Buckfast bees and yes I think they were superseding since I could not find queen to remove when I requeened.. And after the swarm I checked and found 4 queen cells. Its been cool here around 50 at night ,I have closed off the entrance with screen wire I'll try that for a couple of days . Any advice???? Peter Edwards wrote: > Suspect that it is a mating swarm. > > Were they superseding when you put in the queen? Was there an old queen? > What brood was there? > > "L.E.G." wrote in message > news:39D72DC2.F90FB2E3@crosslink.net... > > I also had a swarm 9-28-00 ,large one and the little buggers are coming > back to > > rob the hive they left !!!!! Any advice??? What is going on this year?? > And shoot > > I had just put new Queen in 2 weeks ago?????????????????????? > > L.E.G. Article 27108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39D7D988.64BBD529@home.com> <39D7D8BC.B50B9D0A@fuse.net> Subject: Re: Waxmoth problem. Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <%E4C5.135$Ly1.2202@news5.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:40:59 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-nvKLdCYf9x91j+qBPmG92xvLECkZm6nhLxDBgG46/p9/ujLe9gG7znZchybFAhlFkCYIfv/KQOM4pQS!2Vg0JJ2wovewBvSXrqC5Fgj9RA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:40:42 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27108 Sometimes the old fashioned physical methods are best. Don't forget about the bug zapper method too. I've killed millions of moths with one of those. Mark "Dave and Judy" wrote in message news:39D7D8BC.B50B9D0A@fuse.net... > :o) Sorry to laugh, we had this EXACT same problem a coupla weeks ago. > Hubby was in all kinds of trouble for those things in my house everytime the > door opened! > > He tried the moth crystals around the garage (on just about every horizontal > surface). Made it hard to get through the garage without having to heave! > Did nothing for the moths. > > Tried the wax moth traps. Did nothing for the moths. > > Finally got the little dustbuster vacuum and vacuumed every one of them up. > It was the only thing that worked. And there were a whole lot of them. > Worked great. > > Judy in Kentucky > > Glen & Zoe wrote: > > > A little while ago I posted about a problem I was having with waxmoth in > > stored equipment in my garage. After receiving some advice about using > > crystals, I set about relieving myself of this infestation. > > Now I have a really big problem. The damned moths are no longer in the > > equipment, but hundreds of the little buggers are flying around in my > > garage. Every time I go in the garage, I get several flying through the > > door into my house. The missus is freaking!! > > Does anyone know how to get rid of them, short of storing an open 45 > > Gallon drum of waxmoth crystals in there? > > Thanks for any help. Regards, Glen Archer. > Article 27109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39D6D449.91CD31DC@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> From: "S. R. Jones" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid? What's the penalty? References: <39D50A62.128CCBAB@NOSPAMims.com> <39d531ed.192816230@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Spire Technologies Cache-Post-Path: gaspra.spiretech.com!unknown@h210.agalis.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 25 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 06:06:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.173.200.229 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 970380400 207.173.200.229 (Sun, 01 Oct 2000 02:06:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 02:06:40 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27109 Well, the plot thickens. After some research, I found that Formic acid is on the DEA's Special Surveillance List. http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/chem_prog/advisories/surveillance.htm Apparently, it's used in the manufacture of something, but they're not saying what. Another casulty in the war on drugs... -srjones beekeep wrote: > > Actually we don't have it available here because if we scew up and get > hurt we go to a lawyer instead of a doctor. Nobody wants the > liability. > > beekeep > Article 27110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!grolier!btnet-peer0!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Richard Scheffer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extractor Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:33:14 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 5 Message-ID: <8r6snq$m1j$1@uranium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-167-119.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27110 Does anyone in UK have a second hand reasonable condition radial extractor for sale? Or can anyone tell me a web site where such are advertised? richard.scheffer@btinternet.com Article 27111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39D7D988.64BBD529@home.com> <39D7D8BC.B50B9D0A@fuse.net> <%E4C5.135$Ly1.2202@news5.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Waxmoth problem. Lines: 61 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:59:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.130.189.223 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 970527582 206.130.189.223 (Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:59:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:59:42 EDT Organization: Internet Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27111 Using a wax moth control, ie. Certan or B401 and spray it on brood frames will stop the 'little buggers' getting started. We do have it for those who want to use it. Contact us privately, please.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 http://www.beeworks.com admin@beeworks.com 705 326 7171. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Mark" wrote in message news:%E4C5.135$Ly1.2202@news5.giganews.com... > Sometimes the old fashioned physical methods are best. Don't forget about > the bug zapper method too. I've killed millions of moths with one of those. > > Mark > > "Dave and Judy" wrote in message > news:39D7D8BC.B50B9D0A@fuse.net... > > :o) Sorry to laugh, we had this EXACT same problem a coupla weeks ago. > > Hubby was in all kinds of trouble for those things in my house everytime > the > > door opened! > > > > He tried the moth crystals around the garage (on just about every > horizontal > > surface). Made it hard to get through the garage without having to heave! > > Did nothing for the moths. > > > > Tried the wax moth traps. Did nothing for the moths. > > > > Finally got the little dustbuster vacuum and vacuumed every one of them > up. > > It was the only thing that worked. And there were a whole lot of them. > > Worked great. > > > > Judy in Kentucky > > > > Glen & Zoe wrote: > > > > > A little while ago I posted about a problem I was having with waxmoth in > > > stored equipment in my garage. After receiving some advice about using > > > crystals, I set about relieving myself of this infestation. > > > Now I have a really big problem. The damned moths are no longer in the > > > equipment, but hundreds of the little buggers are flying around in my > > > garage. Every time I go in the garage, I get several flying through the > > > door into my house. The missus is freaking!! > > > Does anyone know how to get rid of them, short of storing an open 45 > > > Gallon drum of waxmoth crystals in there? > > > Thanks for any help. Regards, Glen Archer. > > > > Article 27112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "AgroHispana" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb, the Hispanic page of Agriculture and Cattle raising Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:57:25 +0200 Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.77.148 Message-ID: <39d719d5$2_1@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 1 Oct 2000 13:02:45 +0100, 195.5.77.148 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!grolier!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.bt.es!195.5.65.34.MISMATCH!caladan.arrakis.es!195.5.77.148 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27112 Dear @groFriend: @groWeb the Hispanic page of Agriculture and Cattle raising, the one has been upgraded October 1 the 2000. http://www.agrohispana.com Besides upgrading all our classic sections of: @groEscuela. New documents and collaborations sent by you. @groPreguntas. it continues being the most useful form of solving our doubts. @groForo. With almost 80 members are the place of information and changing of opinions. We have important novelties: 1) a NEW FORMAT of the most attractive and easy portal of navigating. 2) as that promised it is debt, we already have SEARCHER in @groEnlaces, transforming this section into the FIRST SEARCHER OF PAGINATE HISPANIC RELATED WITH THE AGRICULTURE AND CATTLE RAISING. 3) @groNoticias has been restructured with a system of files ASP, with that which you will find, MANY MORE NEWS, and our purpose is TO UPGRADE IT EACH FIFTEEN DAYS. We hope you find of our utility improvements and overalls us send your opinion on them. Article 27113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.bc.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Dave and Judy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Waxmoth problem. Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:02:58 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <39D93042.C89AF671@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <39D7D988.64BBD529@home.com> <39D7D8BC.B50B9D0A@fuse.net> <%E4C5.135$Ly1.2202@news5.giganews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 66 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27113 Well, see, that's the other reason for the smile. We have Certan. :o} Judy David Eyre wrote: > Using a wax moth control, ie. Certan or B401 and spray it on brood frames > will stop the 'little buggers' getting started. > We do have it for those who want to use it. Contact us privately, > please.-- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Bee Works. > 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, > Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 > http://www.beeworks.com > admin@beeworks.com > 705 326 7171. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Mark" wrote in message > news:%E4C5.135$Ly1.2202@news5.giganews.com... > > Sometimes the old fashioned physical methods are best. Don't forget about > > the bug zapper method too. I've killed millions of moths with one of > those. > > > > Mark > > > > "Dave and Judy" wrote in message > > news:39D7D8BC.B50B9D0A@fuse.net... > > > :o) Sorry to laugh, we had this EXACT same problem a coupla weeks ago. > > > Hubby was in all kinds of trouble for those things in my house everytime > > the > > > door opened! > > > > > > He tried the moth crystals around the garage (on just about every > > horizontal > > > surface). Made it hard to get through the garage without having to > heave! > > > Did nothing for the moths. > > > > > > Tried the wax moth traps. Did nothing for the moths. > > > > > > Finally got the little dustbuster vacuum and vacuumed every one of them > > up. > > > It was the only thing that worked. And there were a whole lot of them. > > > Worked great. > > > > > > Judy in Kentucky > > > > > > Glen & Zoe wrote: > > > > > > > A little while ago I posted about a problem I was having with waxmoth > in > > > > stored equipment in my garage. After receiving some advice about using > > > > crystals, I set about relieving myself of this infestation. > > > > Now I have a really big problem. The damned moths are no longer in the > > > > equipment, but hundreds of the little buggers are flying around in my > > > > garage. Every time I go in the garage, I get several flying through > the > > > > door into my house. The missus is freaking!! > > > > Does anyone know how to get rid of them, short of storing an open 45 > > > > Gallon drum of waxmoth crystals in there? > > > > Thanks for any help. Regards, Glen Archer. > > > > > > > Article 27114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39D91CB2.366672AF@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OY! What's with this Duragilt? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 23:31:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.237.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 970529474 24.92.237.46 (Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:31:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:31:14 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27114 Never had problems with it before, to speak of. This year and last I have gone through most of a box, and have ended up having to pull out a lot of the combs half-drawn, the bees were doing such a crappy job. Turning it into drone cells, building sideways ridge-comb, strips of comb connecting the sheets, ruining them, or chewing it down to a flat surface of wax. Really disappointing. What gives? I wouldn't comment except for the fact that I have been using it on and off for over 20 years and have never had such problems. I know a lot of people on the ng rag on the Duragilt, but I could never agree with them -- until now!! Maybe it's coincidental, but I for one am never going to trade my wax for that stuff any more. Oh well... Wondered if anyone else had been experiencing the same. I have even been careful to put it on only when a nectar flow was in progress. Wierd. Not meaning to down Dadant -- like I say, it has produced beautiful combs for me for many years -- I'm just reporting what I have been experiencing. Back to 2 cross-wires and good ol' crimp-wired, I guess. All in all, that seems the best, economically. Anyone care to comment? best wishes to all jwg nr. Ithaca, NY Article 27115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: workerbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hello Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 01:34:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8rbd2p$n89$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.54.49.36 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 03 01:34:17 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; PeoplePC 1.0; Compaq) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.54.49.36 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDworkerbees Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27115 It's been a long time since I visited with you folks. My server does not have this forum. It has plenty of trash but here is where I want to bee. Thanks to deja.com, I can stay posted. We now have the hive beetle here in Eastern NC. I have a particular problem with 500 commercial hives about two miles down the road that are badly infested. The state inspector happened upon them and I doubt the beekeeper even knew about them or is lying through his teeth. I have been treating for them since last Dec when I was the first in the area to discover one in one of my hives. Strangest thing, with the bayer strips properly used one can still find the beetles in the hive because they have to contact the strip to die. One can also remove the strips and find beetles in the hives a few days later. What to do? Can anyone that has had the problem for a while clue me in on what to do? Does anyone have plans for a bait trap I can make to trap them outside my hives? Thank you in advance. Workerbees Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small swarm on 9-27-00 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 21:44:33 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8r987g$8k7$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39D72DC2.F90FB2E3@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-72.acyclovir.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 970466352 8839 62.136.75.200 (2 Oct 2000 05:59:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Oct 2000 05:59:12 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27116 Suspect that it is a mating swarm. Were they superseding when you put in the queen? Was there an old queen? What brood was there? "L.E.G." wrote in message news:39D72DC2.F90FB2E3@crosslink.net... > I also had a swarm 9-28-00 ,large one and the little buggers are coming back to > rob the hive they left !!!!! Any advice??? What is going on this year?? And shoot > I had just put new Queen in 2 weeks ago?????????????????????? > L.E.G. Article 27117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jeffrey A. Crowther" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000923061751.14597.00000475@ng-fq1.aol.com> <39cde901$0$35391$53a6afc1@news.erinet.com> <8qnqch$lq0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39d07509$0$35382$53a6afc1@news.erinet.com> <8qt0nv$uo1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Honey Powder Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:37:53 +1000 Lines: 25 Organization: Poor, but getting better X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.101.40.27 Message-ID: <39d95143@pink.one.net.au> X-Trace: 3 Oct 2000 14:23:47 +1000, 203.101.40.27 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!nntp.msen.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!pink.one.net.au!203.101.40.27 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27117 wrote in message news:8qnqch$lq0$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <39cde901$0$35391$53a6afc1@news.erinet.com>, > "Lance Thacker" wrote: > > > > I once ran across a place that made honey cotton candy. > > They freeze dried the honey into crystals then pulverized them into > powder. > > That's the only way I know how to do it. > > > > Lance, are you sure about this? What is the temperature used to > freeze dry? I read somewhere that honey doesn't freeze. People in > Siberia were using it for brake fluid for that reason. I don't know if there is a 'standard' temperature used for freeze drying. I guess it depends on what you want to dry down and the volume you have. I used to do some freeze drying of samples at uni a few years back. There we pull a large vacuum and we freeze our material in liquid N2 (-196Celcius). I've also used some custom apparatus that use freezer units with glycol filled chambers etc. I've never tried to freeze honey, nor freeze dry it. Ice cream on the other hand is excellent. Article 27118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.143!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01c02892$b14ca3a0$29f5923f@gateway3> Subject: Re: Want to buy used extractor Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:32:41 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 970547571 63.197.142.62 (Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:32:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:32:51 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27118 I've got a Dadant two frame,, hand crank,,,(can't remember the name,,,"Junior Bench" rings a bell). It's in excellent shape only used for two seasons. I've out grown it and want to get a 6 frame, or so, extractor. I haven't even thought about a price yet,,,let me know if your interested. I'm in the Sacramento, Calif. area "Tom Henderson" wrote in message news:01c02892$b14ca3a0$29f5923f@gateway3... > Hello: > > I would like to buy a used extractor, in serviceable condition. It could > be either electric or hand crank. Small capacity is ok, too. If anyone > has one that they would like to sell, please reply to either the group or > to me personally. > > Thank you, > Tom Henderson > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > Article 27119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.143!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000929172130.22218.00000444@ng-fi1.aol.com> Subject: Re: A bee hive or two needed in Lincoln California Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <4pdC5.155$Q13.185954@news.pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:38:14 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 970547904 63.197.142.62 (Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:38:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:38:24 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27119 I'm not TOO far from you,,,what exactly, are you looking for? How many,,,what are they pollinating etc..,(besides all the mustard out there). You're talking about next year right? "McAlpineDS" wrote in message news:20000929172130.22218.00000444@ng-fi1.aol.com... > Acreage needs pollinators in exchange > for permenant residence. > > Any offers? > > Dan > Article 27120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39D72DC2.F90FB2E3@crosslink.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 12:27:46 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small swarm on 9-27-00 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn53.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 970416985 29526 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27120 I also had a swarm 9-28-00 ,large one and the little buggers are coming back to rob the hive they left !!!!! Any advice??? What is going on this year?? And shoot I had just put new Queen in 2 weeks ago?????????????????????? L.E.G. Charlie Kroeger wrote: > Just for the public record, I was called out for a small swarm (about two cups > of bees with a queen) on 9-27-00. This would be a personal record for late > swarms in Amarillo, Texas. Altitude 3600ft. (1097m) a day after a morning > with a freezing temperature. > > Incidently I posted a similar note regarding an extraordinarily early swarm > (in April) when I recovered a fairly large swarm. (maybe 4 pounds) This was at > a time when many nights still had close to freezing temperatures. This was > also a record for an early swarm. Both in one season. > > What does it all mean? > > C.K. Article 27121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid? Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 04:06:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8rblvj$u2u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8qj53g$6um$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> <8qk2q3$lbj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39CDD18B.507F93B2@zzclinic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.187 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 03 04:06:14 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x59.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.187 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27121 > > We just purchased two 45 (Imperial) gallon drums and 20,000 Dri-Loc 50 > > pads, so I plan to feature some photos in my diary (below) next week. > Who did you purchase it from, what grade is it and how much? > Also, do they sell it in smaller quantities? I purchase from Van Waters & Rogers, but it is a very common chemical and is used widely in plastic making and oil well service and should be available almost everywhere. A pharmacy or high school lab should have it in small quantities. I paid about $450 CAD for each drum of 85% acid, plus deposit. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news-hub.cableinet.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!spool1.news.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader1.news.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39D91CB2.366672AF@cornell.edu> Subject: Re: OY! What's with this Duragilt? Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:40:55 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 48 Message-ID: <39d962cb$0$23419@wodc7nh1.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.105.232.12 X-Trace: reader1.news.uu.net 970547915 23419 63.105.232.12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27122 With all of 2 years of beekeeping under my belt... I'm already turned off by it. I bought a bunch of it along with supers and frames when I was getting started last year (I have 6 hives, 3 were bought as-is last year and 3 started from packages this year). It was a package-deal discount sort of thing. Now I have friends who are asking me how to get started in beekeeping (hah! like I'm an expert), but here are the reasons I discourage them from using Duragilt: 1) It makes the (grooved) frames assemble slower. I tried 5 supers worth of Plasticell this year, and was pleasantly surprised how easy it made assembly. Build the frames, then pop in the foundation quickly later. Duragilt, conversely, was considerably slower in that you had to get the foundation lined up in the top groove (after the side bars were attached), then fit the bottom bar over it and hold it all in place while nailing it together. Probably 3 times out of 4 the dumb thing would crinkle or twist in the process and require more manipulation to straighten out. And I've been surprised at how wimpy the stuff was - twist it too hard and the wax peels right off from the nice, smooth, plastic surface...which the bees then won't touch. 2) I've been surprised with the cross-frame comb I've seen this year, even with all the frames jammed close together. I haven't checked to see if it was all Duragilt (doubt it), but I know for sure that those frames are useless to me now, since I can't scrape it down to that smooth plastic... whereas the Plasticell I can scrape off and it's good to go again. Ditto for the patches of brood that I cut out of a few frames while extracting recently. 3) I got one frame this year that was really weird. They drew it out into drone cells, but the cells had wavy sort of walls to them - psychedelic-looking comb. Anybody else seen this? 4) The Duragilt isn't too sturdy in the extractor either. The Plasticell I can whip around and have each side dry in a few minutes - but the Duragilt warps considerably at that speed, which is bad enough on the concave side, but worse on the convex side since the wax then envelopes the carousel wire and gets all torn up when you pull it off. I hate that sucking sound... So I figure if me, a beginner, is already experiencing problems, then that tells me to avoid the stuff from now on. No use in creating more work for myself later on. My wife thinks I spend too much time on this as it is. ("Dear, how much should I charge per pound for my honey?" "Well, it's cost us several hundred dollars per gallon...") ;-) Spike Psarris Article 27123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: French site Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 04:26:54 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8rbn6a$uv7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8r2vup$2v8$1@news1.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.187 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 03 04:26:54 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x59.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.187 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27123 > Can anyone tell me if there is a French site concerning beekeeping ? Essayez http://www.apiservices.com/ ou joignez la liste à abeilles@fundp.ac.be allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.143!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Calculating Area Needed per Hive Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <1udC5.158$Q13.187308@news.pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:43:32 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 970548221 63.197.142.62 (Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:43:41 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:43:41 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27124 I know of quite a few head shops that would sell out of "Mary Janes Honey"! hmmmmm,,,get rich selling marijuana honey,,,,or,,,,loose everything to mandatory forfeiture. Tough decision!! "N Gravel" wrote in message news:Tugw5.1648$Mg1.61725@brie.direct.ca... > Honey from medicinal marijuana or opium poppies? > how well would that sell as varietal honey? > > > Article 27125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet!ctb-nntp1.saix.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter H.M. Brooks" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,za.local.cape-town Subject: Getting started in beekeeping Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:39:10 +0200 Organization: Psyche Trading Company Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8rc633$j1s$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip229.new.co.za X-Trace: ctb-nnrp2.saix.net 970562467 19516 196.25.206.95 (3 Oct 2000 08:41:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@saix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Oct 2000 08:41:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27125 I am thinking of starting to keep bees. I haven't done it before, but I have been interested in the subject for years. What I am interested to learn is: - What restrictions are there on keeping bees in urban residential areas? - What bee-keeping supplies are there in Cape Town? [if none, in South Africa] - What is the best time of year to start? - What other questions should I be asking myself? -- The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. GBS Article 27126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet!ctb-nntp1.saix.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter H.M. Brooks" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,za.local.cape-town Subject: Re: Getting started in beekeeping Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:51:20 +0200 Organization: Psyche Trading Company Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8rd7gn$709$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> References: <8rc633$j1s$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> <6e2ktscpvrfui6aeh17pi26qsom6fs6js9@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip130.new.co.za X-Trace: ctb-nnrp2.saix.net 970596695 7177 196.25.19.224 (3 Oct 2000 18:11:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@saix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Oct 2000 18:11:35 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27126 "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:6e2ktscpvrfui6aeh17pi26qsom6fs6js9@4ax.com... > >- What other questions should I be asking myself? > > Where can I find some Cape Bees? > > They don't need requeening, they don't sting and they don't get mites. > Thank you, great question! Do you have any hints about the answer? -- The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. GBS Article 27127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super location? Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:56:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8rddl9$b7e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <5QxA5.21464$WK6.347027@typhoon.austin.rr.com> <29859-39D9EBFF-5@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <982kts8r933o9fi6s3mldnv38jsmrgqfn9@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.131 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 03 19:56:30 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.131 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27127 In article <982kts8r933o9fi6s3mldnv38jsmrgqfn9@4ax.com>, ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com wrote: > >Walter T. Kelley > > A complete Victorian > > >This is also supposed to limit the amount of "tracking" the bees do over > >the older comb which causes dark unattractive comb. I hope this answered > >your question. > > complete drivel. > > C.K. Come on Charley,tell us what you really think! Actually,I beleive most beemen top super.In the overall scheme of things,it probably doesnt make a H of a bit of difference to the overall honey crop.What is important is that the supers be there when they are needed for nectar storage.Having said that,I still prefer to undersuper over a single brood chamber with an excluder and yes it is more work and there is a limit on how many hives you can work doing this.But Victorian?excuse my ignorance but doesnt that have something to do with sex......... -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Calculating Area Needed per Hive Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:08:47 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8rdec8$bq1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <1udC5.158$Q13.187308@news.pacbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.131 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 03 20:08:47 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.131 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27128 In article , ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com wrote: > >hmmmmm,,,get rich selling marijuana honey > > Marijuana doesn't bloom and produce nectar suitable for bees, even though you > may have read about Uncle Oswald (Roald Dahl) and his shipments from that > friend of his in Algeria, but that's only hype. Truth is it's just a weed. > > Labeling it as such would be a different thing. Remember the power of > suggestion can make people who have not drunk alcohol feel drunk, even though > they had not drunk it. (English students beware, English is tricky) > > Dude, I see your use of the term 'head shop' really dates you back to the good > old days. > > C.K. > > No nectar,but what could a good strain of Caucasians plaster there hives shut with if placed near N.CA.s vast illegal plantations? -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Dave and Judy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winterizing the hives Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:35:58 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <39DA432E.C157AB21@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3330-39D9736D-24@storefull-248.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 78 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27129 Just a couple of thoughts. 1. How strong are your hives? When you placed the strips and patties, did you notice the strength. A weak hive will probably not make it through the winter. If any are weak, perhaps you should combine them. You can always make splits in the spring if you make it through the winter. 2. What did you put in your patties? As I understand it, it is now advisable to treat for AFB with terramycin using the powdered sugar and terramycin mixed and sprinkling it on the perimeter of the hive frames. 3. You say you scraped and cleaned your hive equipment. Of course, you know that scraping and cleaning probably did not kill the AFB spore. Once you have AFB, and a bad case of it, at that, you probably need to think about burning and starting over. I understand there is some discussion about using Clorox (bleach) to treat the hives, but no one has determined the exact strength of the mix or the amount of time to soak. Until then, burning or at least scorching is the way to go. 4. You know you are not done because you haven't taken the strips out. Follow the manufacturer's advise on timing. 5. How about the level of your hive. We shift ours out of level just a bit, so that any condensation that may accumulate in the hive during the winter will run out the front entrance. 6. Have you provided any ventilation for wintertime? Just a stick or pop bottle cap on the inner cover under the telescoping top. 7. Nosema seems to be a spring disease, following the usual rains of the springtime. However, this year has been rather wet in many locations, might not be a bad idea to treat with Fumidil B. 8. Bees tend to travel up during the winter. Seldom sideways. Best to check their food stores just before it gets real cold and make sure there are "full" frames above the cluster. 9. Did you treat with Menthol for the tracheal mites? Grease patties help to control them, but only the menthol can kill them. As long as it is going to be above 70 - 75 degrees F. the menthol should evaporate. If it is already cold, the menthol will just sit there and not evaporate and the bees won't breathe the fumes and the tracheal mites will survive. If it is too cold, then at least the patties should help. 10. Did you put entrance reducers on your hives? How are the mice and yellow jacket problems in your area? And what about skunks and .... Help the bees by giving them a smaller entrance to defend. 11. You didn't ask about storing supers, so I assume you have bought your PDB and stored your supers with that. Can't think of anything else off the top, let us know what you think. Judy in Kentucky, USA pambs@webtv.net wrote: > We are getting ready for winter and recently medicated the bees with > strips and patties but I was wondering if yall do anything else to get > ready for winter. We left a super on each hive so there will be enough > honey for the winter. We have five hives at home and five more in > another location. The strips are Apistan and the patties are terramycin. > We have been keeping bees since 1997 but we are still very much > beginners at this. Last year we lost several hives but are not sure what > happened. The year before we had to destroy lots of comb and scrape and > sand the frames and boxes because they developed a disease and smelled > awful. I guess that was AFB but I am only guessing. I am afraid I may > have smelled the same smell today coming from our row of hives and I am > disgusted. I read all this technical stuff and get thoroughly > confounded. I don't want to loose any bees this winter. > My bee books say to contact the county extention agent in your area to > ask questions and have him come inspect your hive but when I contacted > him he said he had never been involved with bees before and he had been > a county extention agent for 20 years. > The University of Georgia has a beekeeping seminar in the spring. It > looks like I need to go next time. > Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Article 27130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.131.10!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small swarm on 9-27-00 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:56:00 -0500 Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <39D72DC2.F90FB2E3@crosslink.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.131.10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970426564 18202830 216.167.131.10 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27130 >I also had a swarm 9-28-00 ,large one and the little buggers are coming back to >rob the hive they left !!!!! Any advice??? Humm....better reduce the entrance down to a 3/8 inch size hole. For the knowledge base you didn't mention where this was happening. Crosslink.net seems to only serve the mid-Atlantic (USA) area. C.K. Article 27131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,za.local.cape-town Subject: Re: Getting started in beekeeping Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:03:23 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 55 Message-ID: <8rde25$bkk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8rc633$j1s$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.207.54 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 03 20:03:23 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x62.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.207.54 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27131 In article <8rc633$j1s$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>, "Peter H.M. Brooks" wrote: > I am thinking of starting to keep bees. I haven't done it before, but I have been interested in the subject for years. > > What I am interested to learn is: > > - What restrictions are there on keeping bees in urban residential > areas? > Depends on the local governing authority. Hopefully none. If beekeeping is permitted you can help by placing some obstruction a few feet in front of the hive to force the bees to fly upward. They go up anyway but this keeps them from accidentally colliding with children walking in front of the hive. I'm using a screen from a sliding glass door lying sideways. > - What bee-keeping supplies are there in Cape Town? [if none, in South > Africa] I'm in NW Florida, USA so I don't have a clue. You need to find a local beekeeper. One way is to go to the markets or health food stores and see who is selling honey. There are many questions about diseases and mites that are best answered by a local beekeeper and/or beekeeping association. > - What is the best time of year to start? Here it is in March because that is usually when we start having lots of blooms, nectar, and pollen. If you start by buying a package of bees you'll receive instructions on what to feed them to get them started. > - What other questions should I be asking myself? Are you reasonably wealthy? There is a lot of money in beekeeping and most of it comes out of the beekeeper's pocket. You can get more information than you need from the internet, and from books, but you really need to talk with a local beekeeper. The prime question is, are you willing and able to devote the time necessary to respect and learn from the bees as they do what they know how to do? Feel free to e-mail me with any specific questions at Vasak@aol.com and I'll try to answer. Sincerely, Herb Florida, USA PS I like that (...Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. GBS) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed1.tiac.net!posterchild2.tiac.net!news@tiac.net From: "John E. Hamblin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winterizing the hives Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:20:10 -0400 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8rds8v$c0b@news-central.tiac.net> References: <3330-39D9736D-24@storefull-248.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip46.greenville7.sc.pub-ip.psi.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27132 I am in Greenville,SC so climate should be about the same. The Weekend Seminar by the University of Ga, is well worth the time. I have attended it in the past. I have done all the winter prep. that you have. The only additional thing I do is get a card board box just bigger that the hive body and cut only the front out of it and put it loosely around my hive to act as a wind shield in the winter. I enjoy bee's as a hobby and you will find plenty of advice out there. It veries a lot with age of the bee keeper. The older men vary a lot in there view point from the younger Dr. So and So from the University. I listen to both and then experiment on my own. John H. pambs@webtv.net wrote in message <3330-39D9736D-24@storefull-248.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... We are getting ready for winter and recently medicated the bees with strips and patties but I was wondering if yall do anything else to get ready for winter. We left a super on each hive so there will be enough honey for the winter. We have five hives at home and five more in another location. The strips are Apistan and the patties are terramycin. We have been keeping bees since 1997 but we are still very much beginners at this. Last year we lost several hives but are not sure what happened. The year before we had to destroy lots of comb and scrape and sand the frames and boxes because they developed a disease and smelled awful. I guess that was AFB but I am only guessing. I am afraid I may have smelled the same smell today coming from our row of hives and I am disgusted. I read all this technical stuff and get thoroughly confounded. I don't want to loose any bees this winter. My bee books say to contact the county extention agent in your area to ask questions and have him come inspect your hive but when I contacted him he said he had never been involved with bees before and he had been a county extention agent for 20 years. The University of Georgia has a beekeeping seminar in the spring. It looks like I need to go next time. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Article 27133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "catman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey for sale Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:24:24 -0400 Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.161.86.40 Message-ID: <39d7c8b4_1@news2.one.net> X-Trace: 1 Oct 2000 19:28:52 -0400, 206.161.86.40 Organization: OneNet Communications News Hub Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news2.one.net!206.161.86.40 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27133 I have a case of very sweet sage honey from n.c. on sale in ebay, it is under 100% pure honey. Only one day left or so if your intersted. Article 27134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fwd:- Varroa treatments Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:48:03 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8r9hv5$6oo$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8r2oe3$k4g$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p117.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 970476325 6936 203.96.192.245 (2 Oct 2000 08:45:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Oct 2000 08:45:25 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27134 Fr-Athanasios wrote in message news:n49B5.1$ux3.212@newsfeed.slurp.net... > > "Peter Edwards" > > wrote in message news:8r2oe3$k4g$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Citation would be useful - there is someone in the UK selling cupric salts > > for varroa treatment. I would be interested to hear if there is any > > contamination of honey (or wax) - blue honey might not sell too well! > > Dear Mr. Edwards, > > Is this "cupric salt" what we call in Greece "blue rock" > that it is diluted in water and sprayed on the grape vines? > And how it is used in the hives? > > Thank you for your reply, > Fr. Athanasios > Wisconsin, USA > the article indicates it is fed to the bees that usually means it is added to sugar and water for the bees to feed on. The bees ingest the solution, which is usually in a container near the entrance, so the solution is not in contact with the honey. From the way the article reads the bees ingest the solution and then I would imagine they would become lethal to any mites that attack them. carman Article 27135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!inetbws1.citec.com.au!not-for-mail From: Trevor Gensch Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Colour blindness Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:54:56 +1000 Organization: CITEC Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.5.10.10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27135 I know this might be a weird question, but here goes. Would somebody who is colour blind have any problems pursuing a career/hobby in bee keeping? Replies via email welcome and appreciated. -- Trev. ICQ No. 1802780 Web Page http://web.one.net.au/~trevorgensch Article 27136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super location? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Oct 2000 00:58:13 GMT References: <8rddl9$b7e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001003205813.25126.00000091@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27136 Top supering is easier and puts a full super between broodnest and empty super this is likely to keep the queen down without an excluder. Tom Article 27137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news3.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39D7D988.64BBD529@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Waxmoth problem. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 00:32:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.111.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news3.rdc1.on.home.com 970446727 24.112.111.157 (Sun, 01 Oct 2000 17:32:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 17:32:07 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27137 A little while ago I posted about a problem I was having with waxmoth in stored equipment in my garage. After receiving some advice about using crystals, I set about relieving myself of this infestation. Now I have a really big problem. The damned moths are no longer in the equipment, but hundreds of the little buggers are flying around in my garage. Every time I go in the garage, I get several flying through the door into my house. The missus is freaking!! Does anyone know how to get rid of them, short of storing an open 45 Gallon drum of waxmoth crystals in there? Thanks for any help. Regards, Glen Archer. Article 27138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Dave and Judy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Waxmoth problem. Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:37:16 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <39D7D8BC.B50B9D0A@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <39D7D988.64BBD529@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 29 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27138 :o) Sorry to laugh, we had this EXACT same problem a coupla weeks ago. Hubby was in all kinds of trouble for those things in my house everytime the door opened! He tried the moth crystals around the garage (on just about every horizontal surface). Made it hard to get through the garage without having to heave! Did nothing for the moths. Tried the wax moth traps. Did nothing for the moths. Finally got the little dustbuster vacuum and vacuumed every one of them up. It was the only thing that worked. And there were a whole lot of them. Worked great. Judy in Kentucky Glen & Zoe wrote: > A little while ago I posted about a problem I was having with waxmoth in > stored equipment in my garage. After receiving some advice about using > crystals, I set about relieving myself of this infestation. > Now I have a really big problem. The damned moths are no longer in the > equipment, but hundreds of the little buggers are flying around in my > garage. Every time I go in the garage, I get several flying through the > door into my house. The missus is freaking!! > Does anyone know how to get rid of them, short of storing an open 45 > Gallon drum of waxmoth crystals in there? > Thanks for any help. Regards, Glen Archer. Article 27139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Oct 2000 03:21:51 GMT References: <8rbd2p$n89$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Hello Message-ID: <20001003232151.14367.00000131@ng-cu1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27139 I had heard someone had devised a trap for the beetle...This is just something I have heard. Drill a hole in your bottom board into which you can fit a small jar so it is flush with the floor. Fill the jar with about 25% honey. place a slightly bent piece of cardboard over the hole. The beetles are known to hide and the cardboard presents great cover. The beetles are supposed to fall in the hole and not be able to climb back out. therefore die. This sounds great, but is extremely unpractical in a large operation. It may work, may not, but there it is. I have used something similar with coons and barrells of corn syrup and it is very effective. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 27140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winterizing the hives Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:49:48 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8re8lc$q4f$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> References: <3330-39D9736D-24@storefull-248.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <39DA432E.C157AB21@fuse.net> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.1a.0b X-Server-Date: 4 Oct 2000 03:37:16 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27140 Hello All I have been lerking for a while. I started a single hive in middle Georgia in May this year. It seems to have been a poor year here, very dry. I kept feeding them for a long time as there seemed to be nothing flowering during July and August. They seem to be collecting pollen now and I presume some nectar. Dave and Judy wrote in message news:39DA432E.C157AB21@fuse.net... > Just a couple of thoughts. I have tilted my hive slightly because when it rains heavily I was worried that the water may drown some of my bees. > 5. How about the level of your hive. We shift ours out of level just a > bit, so that any condensation that may accumulate in the hive during the > winter will run out the front entrance. I have noticed a few yellow jackets flying around the hive near the ground. Should I do anything about them, if so what can I do? They seem to be picking up the ejected drones. > 10. Did you put entrance reducers on your hives? How are the mice and > yellow jacket problems in your area? And what about skunks and .... Help > the bees by giving them a smaller entrance to defend. > > Judy in Kentucky, USA > > pambs@webtv.net wrote: Article 27141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "jlongy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: French site Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:47:22 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8ra3ip$nov$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <8r2vup$2v8$1@news1.skynet.be> Reply-To: "jlongy" NNTP-Posting-Host: alyon-102-1-96.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 970494361 24351 193.251.26.96 (2 Oct 2000 13:46:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Oct 2000 13:46:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeeds.nerdc.ufl.edu!news.uidaho.edu!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news1.ltinet.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!oleane.net!oleane!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27141 www.beehoo.com indexes french sites, but english, spanish, danish, german... too. We try to index all about bees and beekeeping. Even if we have to learn chinese to do it... Best regards. Gérard BELLE a écrit dans le message : 8r2vup$2v8$1@news1.skynet.be... > Hi, > Can anyone tell me if there is a French site concerning beekeeping ? > > Thanks! > > > > Article 27142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Powder Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Oct 2000 12:20:10 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001004082010.05128.00000164@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27142 >I understand it is mainly used as a manufacturing ingredient where it >helps sales to say it includes honey, Yep right there on the label between MSG and BHA/BHT Tom Article 27143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Winterizing the hives Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3330-39D9736D-24@storefull-248.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRMVvfyX1vFdei69vaFLsKo50xmFQIUFTynqWUAOnkZSKxa+TlhPDa4mqI= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27143 We are getting ready for winter and recently medicated the bees with strips and patties but I was wondering if yall do anything else to get ready for winter. We left a super on each hive so there will be enough honey for the winter. We have five hives at home and five more in another location. The strips are Apistan and the patties are terramycin. We have been keeping bees since 1997 but we are still very much beginners at this. Last year we lost several hives but are not sure what happened. The year before we had to destroy lots of comb and scrape and sand the frames and boxes because they developed a disease and smelled awful. I guess that was AFB but I am only guessing. I am afraid I may have smelled the same smell today coming from our row of hives and I am disgusted. I read all this technical stuff and get thoroughly confounded. I don't want to loose any bees this winter. My bee books say to contact the county extention agent in your area to ask questions and have him come inspect your hive but when I contacted him he said he had never been involved with bees before and he had been a county extention agent for 20 years. The University of Georgia has a beekeeping seminar in the spring. It looks like I need to go next time. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Article 27144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super location? Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:47:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8rfjej$303$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8rddl9$b7e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20001003205813.25126.00000091@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.147 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 04 15:47:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.147 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27144 In article <20001003205813.25126.00000091@ng-da1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > Top supering is easier and puts a full super between broodnest and empty super > this is likely to keep the queen down without an excluder. > > Tom > > But it doesnt always ,especially if your nectarflow ends early in which case you will have a super full of brood instead of honey.A lot also depends on the strain of bees you use with a prolific Italian more likely to lay anywhere she pleases. -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." References: <01c02892$b14ca3a0$29f5923f@gateway3> Subject: Re: Want to buy used extractor PS Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:16:17 -0700 Lines: 42 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust65.tnt24.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.28.67.65 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27145 Remove #nospamplease to reply, sorry 'bout that. -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. "J Kimbro" wrote in message news:TjdC5.154$Q13.184490@news.pacbell.net... > I've got a Dadant two frame,, hand crank,,,(can't remember the > name,,,"Junior Bench" rings a bell). It's in excellent shape only used for > two seasons. I've out grown it and want to get a 6 frame, or so, extractor. > I haven't even thought about a price yet,,,let me know if your interested. > I'm in the Sacramento, Calif. area > > > > "Tom Henderson" wrote in message > news:01c02892$b14ca3a0$29f5923f@gateway3... > > Hello: > > > > I would like to buy a used extractor, in serviceable condition. It could > > be either electric or hand crank. Small capacity is ok, too. If anyone > > has one that they would like to sell, please reply to either the group or > > to me personally. > > > > Thank you, > > Tom Henderson > > > > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > > > > Article 27146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OY! What's with this Duragilt? Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:25:08 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 65 Message-ID: <39db83cf.1742327@news1.radix.net> References: <39D91CB2.366672AF@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p46.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27146 On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:03:08 -0700, "J & N F." wrote: >As long as we're talking about it, maybe I'll ask a question from those of you >who have used it. Not being able to afford an extractor, I sent some frames >of honey to another beekeeper who owns an electric one. Not all the frames >were duragilt, but a couple may have been. I didn't get any of my frames with >drawn comb back, he says "oh that duragilt just comes apart when it's >extracted" so he said he had nothing to return to me, I'm starting over with >foundation. One of the reasons I had the frames extracted rather than try the >other methods I've attempted in the past was so I wouldn't lose all the drawn >comb & my bees wouldn't have to start all over from scratch. Anyone have any >comments? I know not all the frames were duragilt. Perhaps the electric >extractor is an issue? Not sure I'm getting the straight scoop from this >fellow (know of some of his other escapades!). Just curious > >Thanks > It sounds like operator error to me. Perhaps he doesn't want you to bring him anymore frames to extract. beekeep > >J & N F. > >Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; >Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. > > >"JGinNY" wrote in message >news:39D91CB2.366672AF@cornell.edu... >> Never had problems with it before, to speak of. >> >> This year and last I have gone through most of a box, and have ended up >> having to pull out a lot of the combs half-drawn, the bees were doing >> such a crappy job. Turning it into drone cells, building sideways >> ridge-comb, strips of comb connecting the sheets, ruining them, or >> chewing it down to a flat surface of wax. Really disappointing. What >> gives? >> >> I wouldn't comment except for the fact that I have been using it on and >> off for over 20 years and have never had such problems. >> >> I know a lot of people on the ng rag on the Duragilt, but I could never >> agree with them -- until now!! Maybe it's coincidental, but I for one >> am never going to trade my wax for that stuff any more. >> >> Oh well... >> >> Wondered if anyone else had been experiencing the same. I have even >> been careful to put it on only when a nectar flow was in progress. >> Wierd. Not meaning to down Dadant -- like I say, it has produced >> beautiful combs for me for many years -- I'm just reporting what I have >> been experiencing. >> >> Back to 2 cross-wires and good ol' crimp-wired, I guess. All in all, >> that seems the best, economically. >> Anyone care to comment? >> >> best wishes to all >> jwg >> nr. Ithaca, NY >> > Article 27147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "John Martin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Record Keeping for Bees Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:14:12 -0700 Organization: Uniserve Message-ID: <970686905.195702@neptune.uniserve.ca> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Cache-Post-Path: neptune.uniserve.ca!unknown@hope2d18.dial.uniserve.ca X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 40 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27147 Hello Bee People My name is John Martin and we have just completed a study on record keeping for bees. About a year ago it was discussed on the news group about the way people record the bee hive activities and what they did with the information after. The end results was that beekeeps collect a lot of info was gathered early in the season and would trail off collecting info during the rest of the season due to various reasons. Along with being up to the beekeep to keep accurate Information, their gathering data at its present is either labor intensive or temporary in most cases and is rarely used for future seasons. The beekeep, for security and peace of mind, needs to keep their business private and confidential . These findings indicate that there is a need to make record keeping secure and convenient. Also , this activity of the beekeep record keeping is the only part of the business that they do not get renumerations or future benefits from. We have put together a solution for this and will be applying for grants to make the record keeping possible. The goal will to make record keeping convenient and secure while providing sources to sell the recorded information, depending on the beekeeps wish and level of information availability. We will offer: - Hive activity tracking-daily(reports available on demand) - Accounting and invoicing services(Poination services)&others - Web data base for credibility for financial and insurance institutions. (Individual or other) - Alternative tele-comunication options for non-web folks. We have a complete plan ; however, any further comments or concerns would be appreciated. E-mail to hopeisp@uniserve.com Article 27148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: web page Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:44:18 -0400 Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.89 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.89 Message-ID: <39db95b3_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 4 Oct 2000 16:40:19 -0500, 64.208.65.89 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.65.89 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27148 Greetings! I would like to know if New Jersey Beekeepers Association has an "official" web site. (http://www.njbeekeepers.com/) Me thinks I should bee "honored" to have my images pirated by another Bee Association(?). -- Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Article 27149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1101.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,za.local.cape-town Subject: Re: Getting started in beekeeping Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:45:41 -0500 Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <8rc633$j1s$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> <6e2ktscpvrfui6aeh17pi26qsom6fs6js9@4ax.com> <8rd7gn$709$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1101.nts-online.net (216.167.136.210) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970695941 18387373 216.167.136.210 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27149 >Thank you, great question! Do you have any hints about the answer? Well all I know is what I've read. These bees are supposed to be naturally residing where you are, in .za C.K. Article 27150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super location? Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 75 Message-ID: <29859-39D9EBFF-5@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <5QxA5.21464$WK6.347027@typhoon.austin.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-16252-476 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAq4aBxFSbarD4UHcV6hL9km82gB0CFBoyVJYkGTIyigGbFJCeJgK+agZ9 Content-Disposition: Inline X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=white; TextColor=#00008b Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27150 --WebTV-Mail-16252-476 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I believe Robert asked: where should we put this super? a) on the very top above the other super? or b) as the third box in the stack, i.e. above the upper deep brood box but below the full super? In the book "How to Keep Bees and Sell Honey" by Walter T. Kelley he states: "When the foundation in all of the frames in a super is about half drawn out and filled with honey the super should be lifted up and a new super placed under it. This process is repeated as often as necessary. In this manner each empty super placed on the hive is kept next to the brood nest for the bees to draw out the foundation while they are evaporating and capping the honey in the supers above." This is also supposed to limit the amount of "tracking" the bees do over the older comb which causes dark unattractive comb. I hope this answered your question. If you are interested in purchasing this book you can contact the Walter T. Kelley Co. I order supplies from them so I know the address. It is Walter T. Kelley Co. Manufacturers of Beekeepers Supplies 3107 Elizabethtown Rd. 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***ALEMAP*** updated now *** --WebTV-Mail-16252-476-- Article 27151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0154.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Calculating Area Needed per Hive Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:25:44 -0500 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <1udC5.158$Q13.187308@news.pacbell.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0154.nts-online.net (216.167.131.154) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970590346 18438775 216.167.131.154 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27151 >hmmmmm,,,get rich selling marijuana honey Marijuana doesn't bloom and produce nectar suitable for bees, even though you may have read about Uncle Oswald (Roald Dahl) and his shipments from that friend of his in Algeria, but that's only hype. Truth is it's just a weed. Labeling it as such would be a different thing. Remember the power of suggestion can make people who have not drunk alcohol feel drunk, even though they had not drunk it. (English students beware, English is tricky) Dude, I see your use of the term 'head shop' really dates you back to the good old days. C.K. Article 27152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0154.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super location? Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:28:45 -0500 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <982kts8r933o9fi6s3mldnv38jsmrgqfn9@4ax.com> References: <5QxA5.21464$WK6.347027@typhoon.austin.rr.com> <29859-39D9EBFF-5@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0154.nts-online.net (216.167.131.154) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970590526 18438775 216.167.131.154 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27152 >Walter T. Kelley A complete Victorian >This is also supposed to limit the amount of "tracking" the bees do over >the older comb which causes dark unattractive comb. I hope this answered >your question. complete drivel. C.K. Article 27153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0154.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,za.local.cape-town Subject: Re: Getting started in beekeeping Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:32:10 -0500 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6e2ktscpvrfui6aeh17pi26qsom6fs6js9@4ax.com> References: <8rc633$j1s$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0154.nts-online.net (216.167.131.154) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970590731 18438775 216.167.131.154 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27153 >- What other questions should I be asking myself? Where can I find some Cape Bees? They don't need requeening, they don't sting and they don't get mites. C.K. Article 27154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Fr-Athanasios" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8rc633$j1s$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> Subject: Re: Getting started in beekeeping Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:24:38 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.115.166 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 970705005 209.100.115.166 (Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:16:45 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:16:45 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27154 "Peter H.M. Brooks" wrote in message news:8rc633$j1s$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net... > I am thinking of starting to keep bees. I haven't done it before, but I > have been interested in the subject for years. > > What I am interested to learn is: > > - What restrictions are there on keeping bees in urban residential > areas? I know someone in Detroit that had 6 hives right in side the attic of his two story house for many years, I think he still does. He had an open window in the back where the bees went in and out, and hardly anyone notice what was going on. Article 27155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Fr-Athanasios" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <8q7tgd$jqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8rfmn8$637$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:37:35 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.115.166 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 970711159 209.100.115.166 (Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:59:19 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:59:19 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27155 "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:8rfmn8$637$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > "Mark" wrote: > > Just some info for you. > >>> "If the syrup is prepared in advance, 2 drops of potassium sorbate > per 100 litres (US quarts) of syrup may be added to prevent > fermentation". > > Has anyone tried this, or have any idea if there are any side effects > on the bees. I gather Gilles know what is talking about, but has > anyone else used this trick? I know it works for the grape wine, we use it in a pill form to stop the wine from fermenting further, in to vinegar! Article 27156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsgate.cistron.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Powder Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:38:16 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <579sss845v70p9ue3kaegiv1td845auq1t@4ax.com> <20000924211016.23730.00000715@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 970642104 nnrp-10:27641 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27156 Powdered honey is a fairly common internationally traded commodity, so it definitely does exist. How it is made I have absolutely no idea, but it has been on the list of offerings of two of the London trading houses I occasionally deal with for several years now. I understand it is mainly used as a manufacturing ingredient where it helps sales to say it includes honey, but using liquid honey would be awkward for the process. It certainly is not taking a cheap option as it is quite expensive. -- Murray McGregor Article 27157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8r6snq$m1j$1@uranium.btinternet.com> Subject: Re: extractor Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 02:43:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.22.151.172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 970713798 63.22.151.172 (Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:43:18 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:43:18 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27157 Dear Richard, Have you tried looking on ebay? (www.ebay.com) or www.iwant.com ? Perhaps you will find one there! Good Luck in your search!!!! Lucy "Richard Scheffer" wrote in message news:8r6snq$m1j$1@uranium.btinternet.com... > Does anyone in UK have a second hand reasonable condition radial extractor > for sale? Or can anyone tell me a web site where such are advertised? > richard.scheffer@btinternet.com > > > Article 27158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Colour blindness Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:14:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8rfl15$4bs$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.147 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 04 16:14:39 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x56.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.147 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27158 In article , Trevor Gensch wrote: > I know this might be a weird question, but here goes. > > Would somebody who is colour blind have any problems pursuing a > career/hobby in bee keeping? > > Replies via email welcome and appreciated. > > -- > Trev. > ICQ No. 1802780 > Web Page http://web.one.net.au/~trevorgensch > Never thought about it before,but what colors do we need to differentiate in order to make beekeeping decisions?Obviously the color of our bees if we have a preference(I always say Im colorblind when the bees are productive and our bees show it) The color of the flowers to know the stage of the bloom. The color of the honey If the stoplight is red or green before we plow into the intersection with a truckload of bees(sorry) The short answer is I cant think of any real reason why you could not keep bees on a big or small scale.A Texas cattleman once told me "Son,you just do anything you think you are big enough to do" (Im 5'4') -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!171.64.14.106!newsfeed.stanford.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:43:23 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8rfmn8$637$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <8q7tgd$jqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.184 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 04 16:43:23 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x53.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.184 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27159 "Mark" wrote: > Just some info for you. > > WINTERGREEN OIL, ... This has been a pretty good thread with some real info and not just opinions. Since we have some people who seem to understand chemicals I'm hoping one of you may have an idea about this: >>> Gilles Fert in his book 'Breeding Queens" says regarding thin syrup, which we all know ferments quickly,: >>> "If the syrup is prepared in advance, 2 drops of potassium sorbate per 100 litres (US quarts) of syrup may be added to prevent fermentation". Has anyone tried this, or have any idea if there are any side effects on the bees. I gather Gilles know what is talking about, but has anyone else used this trick? Potassium sorbate as I buy it for mead making is a powder, so how do I calculate 'drops'? Moreover, I am not too sure about its use in mead. The mead-lovers digest FAQ says it will not stop active yeasts, but merely prevent inactive yeasts from starting up. Does anyone here have a more scientific explanation? allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. 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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:33:57 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27160 The shells are not the husks .. Walnuts have an out side green & black husk that you discard to expose the inner shell which you crack to eat the nut. Don't know about walnuts as mitacides but I pick many sacks of walnuts up in the fall for cookies. On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:43:11 -0500, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >>walnut husks & alcohol to combat mites > >Can't say that I have. But..why not. A good source for ground walnut shells >would be those bullet reloader suppliers. They sell bags of ground walnut >shells to use in brass tumblers. I take it the hulls absorb the alcohol and >then release it slowly, something like that. Both ingredients are pretty >cheap, I'll keep it in mind. > >C.K. > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 27161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." References: <01c02892$b14ca3a0$29f5923f@gateway3> Subject: Re: Want to buy used extractor Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:06:45 -0700 Lines: 45 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust65.tnt24.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.28.67.65 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27161 I'm near Sacramento, if you still have this available please email me with a price. I can come pick it up. That would solve some problems for me! Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. "J Kimbro" wrote in message news:TjdC5.154$Q13.184490@news.pacbell.net... > I've got a Dadant two frame,, hand crank,,,(can't remember the > name,,,"Junior Bench" rings a bell). It's in excellent shape only used for > two seasons. I've out grown it and want to get a 6 frame, or so, extractor. > I haven't even thought about a price yet,,,let me know if your interested. > I'm in the Sacramento, Calif. area > > > > "Tom Henderson" wrote in message > news:01c02892$b14ca3a0$29f5923f@gateway3... > > Hello: > > > > I would like to buy a used extractor, in serviceable condition. It could > > be either electric or hand crank. Small capacity is ok, too. If anyone > > has one that they would like to sell, please reply to either the group or > > to me personally. > > > > Thank you, > > Tom Henderson > > > > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > > > > Article 27162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." References: <39D91CB2.366672AF@cornell.edu> Subject: Re: OY! What's with this Duragilt? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:03:08 -0700 Lines: 59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust65.tnt24.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.28.67.65 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!feeder.via.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27162 As long as we're talking about it, maybe I'll ask a question from those of you who have used it. Not being able to afford an extractor, I sent some frames of honey to another beekeeper who owns an electric one. Not all the frames were duragilt, but a couple may have been. I didn't get any of my frames with drawn comb back, he says "oh that duragilt just comes apart when it's extracted" so he said he had nothing to return to me, I'm starting over with foundation. One of the reasons I had the frames extracted rather than try the other methods I've attempted in the past was so I wouldn't lose all the drawn comb & my bees wouldn't have to start all over from scratch. Anyone have any comments? I know not all the frames were duragilt. Perhaps the electric extractor is an issue? Not sure I'm getting the straight scoop from this fellow (know of some of his other escapades!). Just curious Thanks -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. "JGinNY" wrote in message news:39D91CB2.366672AF@cornell.edu... > Never had problems with it before, to speak of. > > This year and last I have gone through most of a box, and have ended up > having to pull out a lot of the combs half-drawn, the bees were doing > such a crappy job. Turning it into drone cells, building sideways > ridge-comb, strips of comb connecting the sheets, ruining them, or > chewing it down to a flat surface of wax. Really disappointing. What > gives? > > I wouldn't comment except for the fact that I have been using it on and > off for over 20 years and have never had such problems. > > I know a lot of people on the ng rag on the Duragilt, but I could never > agree with them -- until now!! Maybe it's coincidental, but I for one > am never going to trade my wax for that stuff any more. > > Oh well... > > Wondered if anyone else had been experiencing the same. I have even > been careful to put it on only when a nectar flow was in progress. > Wierd. Not meaning to down Dadant -- like I say, it has produced > beautiful combs for me for many years -- I'm just reporting what I have > been experiencing. > > Back to 2 cross-wires and good ol' crimp-wired, I guess. All in all, > that seems the best, economically. > Anyone care to comment? > > best wishes to all > jwg > nr. Ithaca, NY > Article 27163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Colour blindness Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:45:20 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8rgbtu$pia$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.74 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 04 22:45:20 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x63.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.74 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27163 > Trevor Gensch wrote: > Would somebody who is colour blind have any problems pursuing a > career/hobby in bee keeping? *********************************************** Howdy Trevor -- I have been into bees for 66 years with red/green color blindness. Of course other colors are also involved. I have no trouble in doing anything connected with beekeeping. Just have at it ! Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OY! What's with this Duragilt? Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 08:01:16 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <8rhcga$j7o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39D91CB2.366672AF@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.182 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Oct 05 08:01:16 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.182 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27164 > > > I sent some frames of honey to another beekeeper who owns an electric one. Not all the frames were duragilt, but a couple may have been. I didn't get any of my frames with drawn comb back, he says "oh that duragilt just comes apart when it's extracted" so he said he had nothing to return to me... Not sure I'm getting the straight scoop from this ... < < < I think you already know the answer to this question, but here goes... Unless you did an awful job of installing the foundation and unless you damaged the full frames in handling or got terrible granulation in them, there is no reason that more than an occasional frame should have blown up in an extractor -- even with an operator who is barely competent. Even in the above cases, you should have been given back the frames complete with the granulation and the wax. They are valuable and can be re-used. FWIW, we have a lot of old, bowed and otherwise sub-optimal frames (they are often Duragilt(r) and came with an operation we bought while expanding) and are now running into serious granulation problems, yet we *never* blow up more than a half dozen in a full extractor load of 120 frames. If we ever blow up half that many, we stop immediately, troubleshoot, and adjust our speed -- or technique. Obviously you need to have a heart-to-heart chat with this beekeeper to get what is yours, then forever steer clear. As the old Mennonite says, "He fools me once, shame on him. He fools me twice, shame on me". allen ---- You can read my daily adventures in commercial beekeeping at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/diary/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.interpacket.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super location? Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 22 Message-ID: <24592-39DCCA7C-13@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <982kts8r933o9fi6s3mldnv38jsmrgqfn9@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAt+AMtNq0OmbGc9iBrsFiDeNS1isCFQCuOV7ndtztpMI7IUg0yGpFQJYy2Q== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27165 In a response to Roberts question: >where should we put this super? >a) on the very top above the other super? or >b) as the third box in the stack, i.e. above the > upper deep brood box but below the full > super? I believe that Charlie Kroeger wrote: >A complete Victorian >This is also supposed to limit the amount of >"tracking" the bees do over the older comb > which causes dark unattractive comb. I hope > this answered your question. >complete drivel. >C.K. I guess that means that Charlie doesn't package his honey with comb. But we like to have a few jars with comb and the people who buy our honey with comb always compliment us on our nice white comb. (I got my facts about this from "The Hive and the Honey Bee" which was first published in 1853 and has been in reprint ever since with constant revisions. My book was printed in 1997. I found the facts in the Supering section of The Production of Comb and Bulk Comb Honey.) Article 27166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tele.dk!195.158.233.21!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Colour blindness Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:44:01 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8rh5bo$av3$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-103.silicon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 970725560 11235 62.136.13.103 (5 Oct 2000 05:59:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Oct 2000 05:59:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27166 Can't think of any reason why they should. "Trevor Gensch" wrote in message news:jtvkts8hgdl9ai4ulitjmoj3splgk46v2f@4ax.com... > I know this might be a weird question, but here goes. > > Would somebody who is colour blind have any problems pursuing a > career/hobby in bee keeping? > > Replies via email welcome and appreciated. > > > -- > Trev. > ICQ No. 1802780 > Web Page http://web.one.net.au/~trevorgensch Article 27167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: teryani@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Permaculture Design Course Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 21:43:04 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. 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Article 27168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news3.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "MacArthur Rowe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small Hive Beetle Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 02:29:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.114.78.111 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news3.rdc1.on.home.com 970799345 24.114.78.111 (Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:29:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:29:05 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27168 Trying to compile some information on the Small Hive Beetle. Can anyone recomend any sources? Thanks, Mark Article 27169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: drezac@greenapple.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetle Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 11:10:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8rkbvh$vuu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.18.4.231 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 06 11:10:44 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT; DSCC/DLA) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 PROXY2, 1.0 x61.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.18.4.231 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDdrezac Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27169 In article , "MacArthur Rowe" wrote: > Trying to compile some information on the Small Hive Beetle. Can anyone > recomend any sources? > > Thanks, > > Mark > > check out these links: http://everest.ento.vt.edu/~fell/apiculture/hivebeetle/index.html http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/AA257 -- Duane L. Rezac drezac@greenapple.com www.greenapple.com/~drezac Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news.vas-net.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fwd:- Varroa treatments Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:07:48 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 52 Message-ID: <8rjq89$484$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8r2oe3$k4g$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8r9hv5$6oo$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-17.dexfenfluramine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 970812489 4356 62.136.89.145 (6 Oct 2000 06:08:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Oct 2000 06:08:09 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27170 I now have details and will be reading up the research over the next few days. Briefly, the treatment consists of feeding organic cupric salts (copper gluconate) at the rate of one teaspoonful in a gallon of syrup twice a year - spring and autumn. (Copper sulphate can be used but has some toxicity to the bees, whereas the gluconate does not - in fact, it is claimed to be beneficial). It works because the increased level of copper in the bees' haemolymph interferes with the varroa's respiration, but the bees are not affected. I will post further details, probably next week. "Carman" wrote in message news:8r9hv5$6oo$1@news.wave.co.nz... > > Fr-Athanasios wrote in message > news:n49B5.1$ux3.212@newsfeed.slurp.net... > > > > "Peter Edwards" > > > > wrote in message news:8r2oe3$k4g$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > Citation would be useful - there is someone in the UK selling cupric > salts > > > for varroa treatment. I would be interested to hear if there is any > > > contamination of honey (or wax) - blue honey might not sell too well! > > > > Dear Mr. Edwards, > > > > Is this "cupric salt" what we call in Greece "blue rock" > > that it is diluted in water and sprayed on the grape vines? > > And how it is used in the hives? > > > > Thank you for your reply, > > Fr. Athanasios > > Wisconsin, USA > > > the article indicates it is fed to the bees > that usually means it is added to sugar and water for the bees to feed on. > The bees ingest the solution, which is usually in a container near the > entrance, so the solution is not in contact with the honey. > From the way the article reads the bees ingest the solution and then I would > imagine they would become lethal to any mites that attack them. > carman > > > > Article 27171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee-Cam Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:47:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.129.219 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 970836454 204.186.129.219 (Fri, 06 Oct 2000 08:47:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 08:47:34 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27171 We have just installed a web-cam on our observation hive. Has any one else out there done this? And if so do you have any pointers on lighting? Which I am having some problems with being either to bright or to dark. You can see our Bee-Cam at: http://www.draperbee.com/webcam/beecam.htm Thanks Royal W. Draper Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. 800-233-4273 www.draperbee.com draperb@ptd.net Article 27172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fwd:- Varroa treatments Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:37:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8rkh30$3qr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8r2oe3$k4g$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8r9hv5$6oo$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8rjq89$484$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.184 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 06 12:37:52 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.184 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27172 > I now have details and will be reading up the research over the next > few days. Briefly, the treatment consists of feeding organic cupric > salts (copper gluconate) at the rate of one teaspoonful in a gallon > of syrup twice a year - spring and autumn. (Copper sulphate can be > used but has some toxicity to the bees, whereas the gluconate does > not - in fact, it is claimed to be beneficial)... I forwarded this thread to a bee scientistI know, and here is his comment, edited for clarity and to maintain anonymity since I have not requested his explicit permission to quote: >>>Incidentially, I read Popeskovic and Bounias' papers a few years ago and thought i'd give copper sulphate a shot in the trials in xxxxx. Nine replicates. The authors applied the copper in syrup feed once. I delivered the dose by drenching the bees, with the same dose, biweekly. At the end of the experiment, (the) copper sulphate (group of colonies) had as many mites in it as the untreated (group of) colonies, and had the highest mean number of mites of any treatment I tested. Too bad, as it would have been really cheap and easy.<<< These are just his results and do not prove the idea has no merit. They just show that it is definitely not a sure thing, or if it works at all, that it does not work without some other factor accompanying it. allen --- My adventures in commercial beekeeping: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/diary/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." References: <39D91CB2.366672AF@cornell.edu> Subject: Re: OY! What's with this Duragilt? Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:00:23 -0700 Lines: 20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <#5G9u3uLAHA.198@cpmsnbbsa07> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust227.tnt8.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.23.23.227 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27173 Thanks All with your responses :) Hmm, well I guess I have my answer then! The frames were definitely completely drawn & not granulated, & I know they were handled gently (at least while I had them); soooo there you have it! thanks again for sharing your experiences, live & learn. Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. Article 27174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting started in beekeeping Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Oct 2000 13:28:22 GMT References: <8rc633$j1s$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001006092822.05295.00000452@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27174 From: "Peter H.M. Brooks" peter@new.co.za >I am thinking of starting to keep bees. I haven't done it before, but I >have been interested in the subject for years. > >What I am interested to learn is: > >- What restrictions are there on keeping bees in urban residential >areas? > >- What bee-keeping supplies are there in Cape Town? [if none, in South >Africa] You'll have to check local laws and beekeeper associations for specifics to your area. There is general information on urban/suburban beekeeping at the page of beekeeper resources at: http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 27175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0239.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa control : tomato leaves Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 11:53:30 -0500 Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <8qpags$23f$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8qtfcd$j4a$1@news.ihug.co.nz>