Article 14474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3615B836.9F26C2A5@teleport.com> From: Paul Cauthorn Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com Organization: Cascadia Hop Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Veil material? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 05:21:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.106.140.42 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:21:05 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14474 Hi, Does anyone know a source for the wire or plastic screen used in bee veils? Thanks, Paul Article 14475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3615B9DA.AF34E47F@teleport.com> From: Paul Cauthorn Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com Organization: Cascadia Hop Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Compressed Grass Hive box and other ideas References: <360D3EE8.D1C2A82C@ndak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 05:28:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.106.140.42 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:28:05 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14475 Craig, Did you mix anthing with the straw or just compress it? Thanks, Paul Family wrote: > Years ago when I was a Peace Corps volunteer in E. Africa. I ran accross > a Hungarian beekeeper. He showed me a book that illustrated hive boxes > made from grass. To make a long story short I found this an ideal > construction material in S. Sudan which enabled me to make removable > (top bar only) frame hives, since I didn't have extraction equipement. > > Since returning to the US almost 17 years ago I played around with this > idea and even went as far as showing boxes at a North Dakota assocation > meeting...just to get some feed back. That was maybe 10 years ago. I > never advanced the method because it would take some kind of mechanized > system to work here in the US. Overseas the hand contruction method fit Article 14476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!venus.sun.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: organic honey Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:34:14 -0700 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3612BFF5.5F4D0AAC@ix.netcom.com> References: <36125658.74613163@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx12-70.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 30 4:35:35 PM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14476 I read sometime back that the requirements for organic honey were so strict that only a few places in the US would qualify. Apparently, it has to do with the fact that the bees should not be able to forage on crops that have been treated with chemicals. Like most people I can only guarantee my own chemical usage not my neighbors. What I told people last summer when selling honey that it is a natural product and as you mentioned I told them that it has no additives. People seemed satisfied with that answer and didn't pursue it further. Hope this helps. susan LORI WHITED wrote: > I've had people ask me if my honey is "organic". I tell them that I > have not added anything to the honey, and ask them if that answers their > question. They just get a puzzled look on their face, and walk away. I > think that maybe "organic" is a new buzzword in the healthfood industry, > and that maybe they really don't have any idea what organic honey is. > Does anyone have any input on this? Does anyone have a definition of > "organic honey"? > > lorin Article 14477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3613899F.F420BAEE@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:54:39 -0400 From: Al Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Barry@Birkey.com Subject: Re: organic honey References: <36125658.74613163@home.com> <3612BFF5.5F4D0AAC@ix.netcom.com> <3612D227.62A1@Birkey.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.193.5 X-Trace: 1 Oct 1998 13:55:46 GMT, 32.100.193.5 Lines: 21 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!32.100.193.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14477 Let's see, I harvested 4400 pounds this year at $100 per pound .... just under 1/2 million. Bulk honey sells for about $0.65-0.70 per pound or $2970 for this year. Something doesn't jive here. I think that Peter Amschel needs to tell us all how to market honey!! Barry Birkey wrote: > > Peter Amschel wrote: > > > is, there would be no sheets used of foundation comb. This is the kind of > > honey that my bees produce in my two top bar hives. The surplus that I > > don't give away I sell for $100 per pound. > > Yeah right! To who, fools? > Am I to understand that you give most of your honey away when you can > get $100 per pound from fools? Something doesn't add up here. > > -Barry Article 14478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: IS honey RAW? Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:57:17 -0400 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 25 Message-ID: <36138A3C.D556B9D6@mediaone.net> References: <36121efb.53007206@news.idt.net> <7D098F98C71F6890.733865A7E6B6890C.C64EB1C576FF4D9E@library-proxy.airnews.net> <01bdecbf$f4fd6dc0$e962400c@default> Reply-To: beesbest@mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14478 Actually Tom, This brings up an interesting question... when is honey raw? Honey in the comb in the desert can reach temperatures of 100 F. If it is extracted with an unheated knife/scratcher/uncapping machine and bottled without heating, is it raw? How about my MA honey, which is extracted without heat, but heated to 90-95 F for faster bottling? Is it raw? I've heated it some. And how about you? Using a hot knife (wax melts @ 146 F, what temp do you suppose the knife is at?) Is your honey raw? What do you think? Kathy Tom wrote: > > Anyway, what I think the original poster meant was if the honey was > cooked, since he asked if it was "RAW". And it is not. At least not > at my place. Article 14479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: disabledvet@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Further Questions Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 15:43:01 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6v5gm4$u8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.212.116.61 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 03 15:43:01 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02E-NBWA (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x5.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.212.116.61 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14479 Hi Again: I just returned from a trip to Ireland - was most enjoyable - being away from work. I discovered that if one wants to retire, one needs some $$$$$$$$. A cottage that we rented, allowed me to rest - while my wife and sister-in-law would car travel, if it was not a good day for me to travel. I contacted a local beekeeper next door (semi-rural setting) indicated that he had just put his five hives up for the Winter - I asked him if there was alot of honey this year and he indicated "no" because of the weather. I had noticed on our various trips throughout Ireland that I had not seen any "honey-bees" - that is why I had asked the question to this gent about honey for the year. That was about all the questions I knew to ask him - that is what happens when when is a newbie a certain field. "Yes, thank you very much, I enjoyed my vacation." Regardless - that is in the FWIW category. I received excellent answers and guidance to my question of what type of hive I should be looking for as it related to my disabilities. I now have several other questions and if this is not the appropriate forum to ask, please direct/point me else where. 1. As we live in a suburban neighborhood (approximately on 1/3 acre) - can I safely establish a bee hive that would receive sun for most of day. Really, what I am searching for, is there anyone out in the ng that lives in a city type environment and raises bees in this type of setting? I would have no more than one hive as I do not think I can physically handle more than one. P.S. I have a good relationship with my neighbors. Well, my several questions really turned out to be just one. Thanking in advance, regardless if it is this forum or if I am directed to another forum. Dick Squires -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stained Stainless Steel Date: 1 Oct 1998 18:32:13 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6v0hrd$7lu$1@campus1.mtu.edu> References: <20887-3613B37B-37@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hornet.my.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4c SunOS 4.1.3_U1] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14480 donna helmick wrote: : I have a large stainless stew pot that I would like to use when : straining honey. It holds about 5 gal., is very heavy, has a nice tight : fitting lid, and was fairly expensive (otherwise, AL, I'd buy myself a : new one.) (-: : On the inside bottom and about 2" up the sides, the metal is a : dull, almost black color, compared to the shiny brightness of the rest : of the pan. It appears to have had a chemical reaction to something : (maybe baking soda.) Chlorox can also cause stainless steel to : discolor. : Do you think the metal is still patent or does the discoloration : make it undesirable for honey storage? The metal should be fine, but just to be sure you could probably remove the discoloration by boiling something acidic in it (vinegar water would probably work, I know from experience that rhubarb and tomatoes remove this sort of discoloration from pots). If stainless steel is normally OK for honey storage, your pot should then be just fine. Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 14481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Further Questions Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:31:24 -0700 Organization: Various Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <6v5gm4$u8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: victoria.pe.net X-Trace: magnolia.pe.net 907457376 19930 207.49.166.2 (3 Oct 1998 23:29:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Oct 1998 23:29:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14481 Sure, that should be no problem. I am on a suburban acre and my first hive I hid in the very back of the property in a room in the middle of my bamboo trail. This was a Langstroth hive. My experience is that a person really has to hustle to keep up with Langstroth hives because the bees fill the narrow bee spaces in the 10 frame hives really fast and the next thing you know they are hanging outside the hive in a big clump thinking about swarming to a place with space and so you have to work them and extract their frames to make more room for them on an emergency basis whether you want to work them or not. This is fine for Peter Fonda who wants many barrels of fine Tupelo Honey, but I found it to be a pain for a hobbyist. A Langstroth type hive with moveable frames makes you instantly semi-commercial, I find, because of this fast fill up feature. One time I solved the space problem by quickly buying a new shallow super and frames at Miller Honey in San Bernardino, but then not much later after that I had to empty that one too! A few years ago I shifted to top bar hives and they are so mellow that with my second one last year I decorated it and hung it from a tree at waist level in the front yard which is about 1/5 acre. This has been my favorite colony, next to the observation hive I hung in the back patio in my first year of beekeeping where the Langstroth frame of brood, honey and pollen and bees happened to have an old queen living on it. In article <6v5gm4$u8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, disabledvet@my-dejanews.com says... > > 1. As we live in a suburban neighborhood (approximately on 1/3 acre) - can > I safely establish a bee hive that would receive sun for most of day. > Really, what I am searching for, is there anyone out in the ng that lives in > a city type environment and raises bees in this type of setting? I would > have no more than one hive as I do not think I can physically handle more > than one. P.S. I have a good relationship with my neighbors. Article 14482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "C.R. Crowell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: insurance Date: 4 Oct 1998 00:23:32 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6v6f64$7ip@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.11.237 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14482 Does anyone have experience with both general liability insurance as well as product liability insurance as regards beekeeping? This is not my area of expertise. I have the usual homeowner's policy, with a general liability umbrella rider. I live in a suburban area, there is a pool in the yard, and one colony. My agent says my policy would cover the bees provided I do not sell any honey, since then under the terms of their policy that would constitute a business venture and would not be covered. So I'm covered if little Jimmy comes into the yard and decides to throw rocks at or tip over, or otherwise antagonize the bees. Then he gets stung and I get a summons. There are companies that provide the same sorts of general liability coverage as well as product liability coverage (Jimmy's mom claims some honey I sold her caused her to be abducted by aliens, who in turn confiscated her winning lotto ticker). Any thoughts? I suspect this message will engender a lot of groans....but if anyone has any information I'd appreciate it. I realize that honey is sold the world over and has been for centuries without this nonsense, but I'd like the flexibility of being able to sell some of what my bee produce without the risk of losing what coverage I have (particularly on the bees themselves and the potential for a lawsuit because of stings) / C.Crowell Article 14483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: kkanning@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Making creamed honey? Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 00:44:32 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6v6gdg$ngn$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.7.247.103 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 04 00:44:32 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 161.7.247.103 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14483 I was wondering if anyone has a method for making creamed honey. Have done some reading and researching, but there doesn't seem to be much info available. Need to get this stuff outa my kitchen soon! Any help would be appreciated!! -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: "Geo. W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Veil material? Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 20:51:40 -0500 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3616D4AC.5937@galstar.com> References: <3615B836.9F26C2A5@teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: star083188.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) To: pbc@teleport.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14484 Paul Cauthorn wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone know a source for the wire or plastic screen used in bee > veils? > > Thanks, > > Paul The local lumber yard see ya' gw Article 14485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.engr.chem,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.polymers Subject: Re: Get the wax out Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:30:45 -0700 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6v6m7a$616$1@strato.ultra.net> References: <6us4sk$uve$1@strato.ultra.net> <3612B77D.31F47C25@dcr.net> <36140881.517B6CDD@dcr.net> <6v4142$22c$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d176.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 4 Oct 1998 02:23:38 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.engr.chem:30485 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14485 sci.polymers:16947 . > >BTW...what WERE you doing with the wax??? Inquiring minds must know. > I have a big order from the White House. Maybe they will tell use what they do with it. Regards, Marc Andelman Article 14486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 14:20:35 -0700 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 21 Message-ID: <36193823.35DA067F@ix.netcom.com> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx11-18.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Oct 05 12:21:54 PM PDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14486 I would say that the first time your bees attacked someone off your property, that you'd better hope that your assets are in someone else's name. Considering the fact that AHB have attacked people and pets at a pretty fair distance from their hives and that there are people where only one or two stings could be deadly, I'd say that you could possibly be charged with criminal negligence or something similar. Hoping this is just a troll, susan Marc Andelman wrote: > Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to > keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest > strain of legally available bees one could get? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman Article 14487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:59:45 -0700 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6vbbi5$gcd$1@strato.ultra.net> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> <36193823.35DA067F@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d191.dial-2.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 5 Oct 1998 20:52:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14487 Susan K. Wehe wrote in message <36193823.35DA067F@ix.netcom.com>... >I would say that the first time your bees attacked someone off your >property, that you'd better hope that your assets are in someone else's >name. Considering the fact that AHB have attacked people and pets at a >pretty fair distance from their hives and that there are people where >only one or two stings could be deadly, I'd say that you could possibly >be charged with criminal negligence or something similar. > > > >Hoping this is just a troll, >susan Good point. Better to use bees for honey. What if trespassers get themselves stung anyway? Proably any bee keeper could be sued, even if someone is trespassing unlawfully. Talk about Sue bee. Regards, Marc Andelman Article 14488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.research.careers Subject: Re: Differences in conformation of the active site of alkaline phosphatase in Varroa jacobsoni oudemans and Apis Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 16:45:46 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <36192FFA.365D@earthlink.net> References: <19980922133017.10309.00000157@ng16.aol.com> <19980922195150.03040.00000315@ng31.aol.com> <6valuc$a4d$1@strato.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust174.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Marc Andelman X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Mon Oct 5 13:47:35 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14488 sci.research.careers:29514 Marc Andelman wrote: > > Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19980922195150.03040.00000315@ng31.aol.com>... > > > >sounds like someone is fixin to brew up a bug > > > >if anyone could answer that it'd be Dr. Ambrose at North Carolina State > >University > >the problem is getting him on the phone and when you do..., his arrogance > and > >nose stuck up ness will wanna make ya barf > > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > Academics have a guaranteed job for life, can take a year off with pay, > have slave labor without benefit of US citizenship rights, OSHA,etc., and > use public money for their own private patents and businesses. Why > should they talk to woe be gone, bee stung fly raising honey farmers like > us? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman Enough even. I know Dr Amsrose very well as well as many other academic folks. They are a mighty busy breed and, yes, are all of the above. However, I've called him and he always has time to answer a question. He attends at least two functions a year given by our association. Don in NC Article 14489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: disabledvet@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Further Questions Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 03:37:14 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 42 Message-ID: <6v6qha$e6k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6v5gm4$u8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.212.116.19 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 04 03:37:14 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02E-NBWA (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x2.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.212.116.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14489 Thanks - appreciate the info & encouragement. In article amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) wrote: > Sure, that should be no problem. I am on a suburban acre and my first > hive I hid in the very back of the property in a room in the middle of my > bamboo trail. This was a Langstroth hive. My experience is that a person > really has to hustle to keep up with Langstroth hives because the bees > fill the narrow bee spaces in the 10 frame hives really fast and the next > thing you know they are hanging outside the hive in a big clump thinking > about swarming to a place with space and so you have to work them and > extract their frames to make more room for them on an emergency basis > whether you want to work them or not. This is fine for Peter Fonda who > wants many barrels of fine Tupelo Honey, but I found it to be a pain for > a hobbyist. A Langstroth type hive with moveable frames makes you > instantly semi-commercial, I find, because of this fast fill up feature. > One time I solved the space problem by quickly buying a new shallow super > and frames at Miller Honey in San Bernardino, but then not much later > after that I had to empty that one too! A few years ago I shifted to top > bar hives and they are so mellow that with my second one last year I > decorated it and hung it from a tree at waist level in the front yard > which is about 1/5 acre. This has been my favorite colony, next to the > observation hive I hung in the back patio in my first year of beekeeping > where the Langstroth frame of brood, honey and pollen and bees happened > to have an old queen living on it. > > In article <6v5gm4$u8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, disabledvet@my-dejanews.com > says... > > > > 1. As we live in a suburban neighborhood (approximately on 1/3 acre) - can > > I safely establish a bee hive that would receive sun for most of day. > > Really, what I am searching for, is there anyone out in the ng that lives in > > a city type environment and raises bees in this type of setting? I would > > have no more than one hive as I do not think I can physically handle more > > than one. P.S. I have a good relationship with my neighbors. > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "Opal Humphrey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: 6 Oct 1998 01:01:15 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6vbq4r$vc@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.237.162 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14490 I had a friend once that had problems with people getting in his basement. He mad a split and set a hive next to the door. Then he put a sign on the hive that read : Beware of Guard Bees. End of problem. Frank Humphrey beekeepr@worldnet.att.net Marc Andelman wrote in message <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net>... >Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to >keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest >strain of legally available bees one could get? > >Regards, >Marc Andelman > > Article 14491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Oct 1998 01:24:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981005211012.20647.00014976@ng88.aol.com> Message-ID: <19981005212451.16078.00003413@ng145.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14491 rubbing alcohol Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: kkanning@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Making creamed honey? Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 04:41:11 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6v6u98$j12$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.7.247.103 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 04 04:41:11 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x9.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 161.7.247.103 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14492 Am looking for help in making creamed honey. Have found some info but none very thorough. Any help would be appreciated, I need to get this stuff out of my kitchen!! -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: indauto@aol.com (INDAUTO) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laundry question: Lye??!?? Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Oct 1998 01:00:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19981005210036.20647.00014964@ng88.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14493 lye is sodium hydroxide-very caustic don't let the pure stuff touch your skin or you might suffer a severe burn. Article 14494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Beeginer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee disease? Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:14:48 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6vbum8$ct8$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <19981004202300.18739.00002728@ng100.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust23.tnt24.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-ELN-Date: Mon Oct 5 19:18:48 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14494 What color is your winter outfit???? Article 14495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: indauto@aol.com (INDAUTO) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Propolis Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Oct 1998 01:10:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981005211012.20647.00014976@ng88.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14495 Does anyone know what will disolve propolis without leaving any toxic residue on the equipment. I'm trying to dissolve the stuff the bees left on the feeder jars. thanks indauto@aol.com Article 14496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!HME1-2.newsfeed.sprint.ca!HME2.newscontent-01.sprint.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Marlene Bernard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Making Propolis ointment & tincture? Lines: 4 Organization: Preferred Company X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:23:27 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.148.188.30 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprint.ca X-Trace: HME2.newscontent-01.sprint.ca 907648036 209.148.188.30 (Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:27:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:27:16 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14496 Does anyone out there know how to make propolis ointments & tinctures for human consumption. Please contact me at mbernard@sprint.ca. Article 14497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news.uunet.ca!newsfeed2.golden.net!not-for-mail From: Ken Coyle Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Grease patties Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:41:44 -0400 Organization: Golden Triangle Online Lines: 7 Message-ID: <36198360.403B@golden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.183.129.147 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14497 Does anyone have a receipe for grease patties? -- Ken Coyle "Carpe Ductum" Seize The Tape coyle@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~coyle Article 14498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 04:01:38 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6vc4n2$4l4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> <36193823.35DA067F@ix.netcom.com> <6vbbi5$gcd$1@strato.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.34 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 06 04:01:38 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x11.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14498 Marc, check the archives - a pretty rigorous discussion about pros/cons of using nasty hives to protect a bee yard from vandalism took place on this ng a while back - I don't recall the name of the thread - search for "defensive" and "snotty" and I bet you will find it also recall that bees can't fly at night so their watchdog abilities are daytime only unless that duty is restricted to them protecting their own hive which I assure you they can do quite well at night without flying if they are so inclined - you see you always will find a nasty devil or two if you look at enough bees especially under less than ideal conditions just having bees of the most friendly nature setting on your porch and flying vigorously is enough to keep most folks away - no need for them to be nasty even - a fear barrier you could say - much like an electric fence is - generally the wire itself would not keep the critters in or out but the fear of getting zapped will - thus with gentle bees you can walk through but fear will keep many others from following even when they saw you do it -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carniolans Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 03:40:41 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 78 Message-ID: <6vc3fp$2nl$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6v8sfk$2cc@world1.bellatlantic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.34 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 06 03:40:41 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14499 In article <6v8sfk$2cc@world1.bellatlantic.net>, "Edward Watkins" wrote: > Greetings fellow beekeepers. > > This is my first year as a beekeeper. > I am starting with just one hive, which I started from a nuc. > I have had the hive since May, and it is doing very well. > My problem is everything I have read indicates that carniolans are a breed > of bee that dispite your best efforts at hive management, may still likely > swarm on you. In my neighborhood I know that 10 to 20 thousand bees hanging > from your mailbox or in front of your front door is LAWSUIT MATERIAL. Unless you have the bees branded or ear tags on them exactly how will they establish that they belong to you?????? This presumes that if you have a marked queen she is likewise clipped to prevent flight - this will not prevent swarming mind you but will mean only a unidentifiable queen will be in the swarm issued. Additionally realize that swarming is an act of Nature - do your neighbors sue Nature routinely? If so - are they ever successful in extracting "damages"??? ;-) Okay now all kidding aside - ALL honeybees are inclined to swarm to one degree or another - some to a greater degree. This varies markedly between strains but since we basically have no pure race bees here in the USA you will find GREAT variations amongst bees claimed to be of the same race. New World Carniolans (at least in pure form) are not highly inclined to swarm. Whilst some Italian strains are VERY inclined to swarm. First year queens are less likely to swarm than are second year queens. But the premier thing is that you learn how to manage swarming urge in whatever strain you settle on using. > I am considering getting an Italian or Midnite queen very soon to ensure > that by the time spring rolls around again, I won't have any Carniolans left > in the hive. A new queen is always a good plan but realize that Midnites are descended from Carniolan and Caucausian type bees. > Any related experiences, or advice would be greatly appreciated. Basically here in the USA you are talking mongrels of a certain color tendency more than pure races. Some such as Susan Cobey have tried hard to breed for racial type behavioral characteristics in bees - yet her New World Carniolans although definitely Carniolan type as to characteristics yet morphometrically they don't measure up correctly according to Ruttner. The same is true of our Italian strains, etc.. Basically we have yellow bees, dark bees, and black bees that are various admixtures of the 8-12 races that have been introduced here in the past. We have had black bees that have resisted swarming incredibly well. We have also had black bees that were very swarmy. Same is true of dark bees and same is true of yellow bees. There is MUCH variation within the color/race - more than between the colors/races. And for you Europeans that may still have pure races to work with yes I do understand that you may see more distinct racial tendencies due to racial purity - this has been reported in the sole pure racial bee that was available in the USA - the YUGO in its pure AI form (the outcrossed naturally mated form was NOT consistent). Unfortunately we have but mongrels to work with. Of course it seems we have done pretty well breeding such mongrels as Quarter Horses, Morgans, Saddlebreds, Tennesee Walking Horses, Standardbreds and so forth so perhaps we shall fare okay with our mongrel bee strains also. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Article 14500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laundry question Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:11:29 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 17 Message-ID: <36199871.28EB@midwest.net> References: <360533AD.47C@midwest.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 907647272 .ZFUVYH4M1C1CD0EBC usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14500 Thanks for the feedback on this problem. I especially like the freezer trick. AL AL wrote: > > Before I screw up a perfectly good pair of goatskin gloves trying to > remove the buildup of propolis, is there a "best" way to remove this > stuff or does everyone just ignore it? > > AL Article 14501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!HME1-2.newsfeed.sprint.ca!HME2.newscontent-01.sprint.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Marlene Bernard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Propolis tictures & ointments! Lines: 4 Organization: Preferred Company X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:17:10 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.148.188.30 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprint.ca X-Trace: HME2.newscontent-01.sprint.ca 907647659 209.148.188.30 (Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:20:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:20:59 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14501 Does anyone out there know how to make tictures or ointments with propolis for human consumption. Article 14503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Seyed Afshin Mansouri Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in Iran Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:12:03 +0100 Organization: Department of Manufacturing Engineering Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3614DF33.C289EA8C@lboro.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc-enmfc5.lut.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!server2.netnews.ja.net!news.reading.ac.uk!server3.netnews.ja.net!server1.netnews.ja.net!lboro.ac.uk!usenet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14503 I'm sending this message on behalf of Mr. Bahman Ebrahimi who is a beekeeper in Iran. ****************************************************************** Hi all of the beekeepers around the world; I work as a professional beekeeper since 15 years ago. I live in a northern town of Iran, named Amol, 20 kilometers from the southern coasts of Caspian sea. The climate in Iran is varying. Sometimes we have snow in the north and warm weather in the south at the same time. In the winters, we have to move the hives to the warm teritories in the south, around 1500 kilometers away from our town. Amol is surrounded by forest and there are also lots of orange trees around us. In spring, I take my hives to the orange trees and keep them there for about one month in order to use orange blossoms. Then I move the hives to the forest and usually stay there for a month. After that, I go to the montains to take advantage of mountain honey which is among the best honeys. Finally I go to the sunflower fields. We have 4 kind of honey in Iran, i.e., orange blossoms honey, mountain honey, forest honey, and sunflower honey. Sunflower honey is not popular because of its tendency to crystalyzation. Price of a hive in Iran is around £ 15.00, a kilogram of sugar £ 0.35 and a kilogram of vax about £ 3.00. I would like to benefit from your experiences in all fields of beekeeping. At this time I have the following questions: 1. When do you start feeding of bees on spring? What ratio of sugar and water do you use? 2. Why do you feed your bees by sugar? to increase the hives or to prepare the bees for honey producing? 3. What is the race of your queens? doees it producing lots of offsprings or not? Sincerely yours Bahman Ebrahimi ******************************************************************* Article 14504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <361579A4.A55C58E7@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 21:11:00 -0400 From: Al Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall Honey Sale References: <19981002064422.23094.00004873@ng72.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.249.149 X-Trace: 3 Oct 1998 01:11:53 GMT, 32.100.249.149 Lines: 34 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!32.100.249.149 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14504 OOps. Are we going to stir the Weight verses volume discussion again? Just a note about labels. The Federal law requires that the units be in US and metric. So, without getting into weight and volume, if you sell Quarts and Pints the labels must also have liter (mililiter) or if you choose pounds then the label must have grams and or kilograms. Also the name and phone and or address must be on the label Al Welk - Atlanta, GA Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > > How come you sell your honey in pints and quarts, rather than pounds? > >I'm just curious. > >Thanks > > Andy Kettlewell > > > > well folks round here are kinda used to seeing stuff " put up " in mason jars. > and the > Big Lots stores usually have the golden harvest jars for @ 3.49 a case, add a > white lid and a home computer printed label and ya got yourself a rite pretty > lookin jar of fresh local honey ! > > Oh btw if you're interested Brushy Mtn. sells the white one piece mason lids > for 13.00 per 100. > Oops forgot, a pint jar filled almost to the top is very close to 1.5 lb and a > quart 3.0 lb, and thats put on the label as well. > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail From: P-O Gustafsson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Making creamed honey? Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 22:46:05 +0200 Organization: Algonet/Tninet Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3617DE8D.4AA1AE9D@algonet.se> References: <6v6u98$j12$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: du44-7.ppp.algonet.se NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Oct 1998 20:48:29 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14505 > Am looking for help in making creamed honey. You will find it on my homepage. Go to and then -- Regards P-O Gustafsson, Sweden beeman@algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ Article 14506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:22:57 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose. Message-ID: <361ddf2c.1832112@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <19981005211012.20647.00014976@ng88.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-220.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news.netkonect.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!scooby.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-220.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14506 On 6 Oct 1998 01:10:12 GMT, indauto@aol.com (INDAUTO) wrote: > >Does anyone know what will disolve propolis without leaving any toxic residue >on the equipment. I'm trying to dissolve the stuff the bees left on the feeder >jars. thanks > Methylated spirits. -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Article 14507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laundry question Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:22:56 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose. Message-ID: <361cdd78.1395414@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <360533AD.47C@midwest.net> <36199871.28EB@midwest.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-220.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 32 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!news.netkonect.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!scooby.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-220.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14507 On Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:11:29 -0500, AL wrote: >Thanks for the feedback on this problem. I especially like the freezer >trick. > >AL > > > > > > >AL wrote: >> >> Before I screw up a perfectly good pair of goatskin gloves trying to >> remove the buildup of propolis, is there a "best" way to remove this >> stuff or does everyone just ignore it? >> You can buy screens, which are placed on the top, instead of a queen excluder, with smaller gaps than a qe, for the specific purpose of collecting propolis. The freezer method is used to harvest it. Propolis fetches more money than honey or wax, for the 'health' market, for its antibiotic properties. Some people even think that eating small amounts of propolis induces a slight euphoria...legally! Don't waste it! Although, if it's a pain in the neck, methylated spirits soon shifts the stuff, and will dissolve it from even fairly tightly woven fabric. Just don't set fire to yourself! -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Article 14508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!EU.net!news0.Belgium.EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!usenet From: Hugo Thone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:11:52 +0200 Organization: Alcatel Telecom Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3619FAF8.BB3C1AA8@se.bel.alcatel.be> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: btmw10.se.bel.alcatel.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14508 Marc Andelman wrote: > > Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to > keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest > strain of legally available bees one could get? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman M., You better keep a pitbull dog for that purpose. cheers, H. -- Hugo Thone (VE144) | email htho@se.bel.alcatel.be | do bee do bee do ALCATEL TELECOM | phone (32) 3 240 94 52 | (\ F.Wellesplein 1 | fax (32) 3 240 99 49 | {|||8- B-2018 Antwerp | | (/ Article 14509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "logcabin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wet honey supers Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:53:46 -0400 Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.252.156 Message-ID: <36178362.0@news.aiusa.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.0.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!news.aiusa.com!208.133.252.156 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14509 What is the best way to feed back freshly extracted supers to the bees this time of year or is this a no-no? Other sticky part is that I have strips on. How does this affect the decision making process. Because the if general consensus is not to place them on top because of the strips, is it really any different from put them 20ft away? By the way my one full colony yielded 14gals. The three others are August splits that are built up for a great spring. thanks, steve logcabin@qaiusqa.com {remove the q's to respond personally......NO_SPAM} Article 14510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 12:31:00 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose. Message-ID: <362907b6.9174682@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> <3619FAF8.BB3C1AA8@se.bel.alcatel.be> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-23.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!insnet.net!news.netkonect.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!scooby.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-23.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14510 On Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:11:52 +0200, Hugo Thone wrote: >Marc Andelman wrote: >> >> Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to >> keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest >> strain of legally available bees one could get? >> You don't even need the bees. Just put a sign up saying "Dangerous Bees. Do Not Approach". Article 14511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <361A1134.748CB472@mis.net> From: michael X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:46:45 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.84 X-Trace: news2.randori.com 907677920 206.28.32.84 (Tue, 06 Oct 1998 05:45:20 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 05:45:20 PDT Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.servint.com!news-out.netasset.com!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14511 The best thing you could get that will work day or night is a skunk. Have a nice day! Marc Andelman wrote: > Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to > keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest > strain of legally available bees one could get? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman Article 14512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news-fra.maz.net!bignews.mediaways.net!nyd.news.ans.net!nyd.news.ans.net!abq.news.ans.net!abq.news.ans.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news-w.ans.net!news.chips.ibm.com!mdnews.btv.ibm.com!rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Hedemark Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping FAQ? Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:09:30 +0000 Organization: IBM Lines: 44 Message-ID: <361A249A.1BF4B0F5@us.ibm.com> Reply-To: hedemark@us.ibm.com NNTP-Posting-Host: fordman.raleigh.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14512 Howdy! I am writing from my work address. Please respond to my personal address, chris@yonderway.com as well as hedemark@us.ibm.com so I can read and respond to your message in a timely fashion. I maintain a rural living / homesteading web server at http://www.yonderway.com/rural and would be interested in hosting some FAQ documents on my server. The visual format would have to match the rest of the site (fonts, page header, page footer) but the content is totally up to you. I can build a template for you so you don't have to worry about special formatting or fonts or anything. The site is a non-profit site run out of my pocket, and I'm not asking for any money for the space or for people to use it. Due to the up-and-down nature of most web sites, I try not to link externally if I can help it and provide as much content locally as I possibly can. So if you maintain a FAQ document about darned near anything worthwhile for homesteaders to read, please drop me a note and we can talk about it. Inline graphics are okay but please use them sparingly (with some exceptions... like a how-to on butchering chickens would be good to have many photos for example). I'm most interested in seeing FAQ's included on: * Beekeeping * Small scale livestock (day-to-day, butchering, etc) * Crops * Homeschooling * Canning / preserving foods * Soap / candle making * Traditional and alternative construction techniques * Energy conservation * Alternative energy sources * Land management * Ponds * Water storage * Machinery on small farm / homestead * Use of working animals (draft horses, livestock guardian dogs, etc.) * You name it... homesteading is such a diverse subject that this is pretty open -- Chris Hedemark hedemark@us.ibm.com Article 14513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.research.careers Subject: Re: Differences in conformation of the active site of alkaline phosphatase in Varroa jacobsoni oudemans and Apis Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:50:50 -0700 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6valuc$a4d$1@strato.ultra.net> References: <19980922133017.10309.00000157@ng16.aol.com> <19980922195150.03040.00000315@ng31.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d29.dial-1.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 5 Oct 1998 14:43:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.clark.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14513 sci.research.careers:29530 Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19980922195150.03040.00000315@ng31.aol.com>... > >sounds like someone is fixin to brew up a bug > >if anyone could answer that it'd be Dr. Ambrose at North Carolina State >University >the problem is getting him on the phone and when you do..., his arrogance and >nose stuck up ness will wanna make ya barf > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Academics have a guaranteed job for life, can take a year off with pay, have slave labor without benefit of US citizenship rights, OSHA,etc., and use public money for their own private patents and businesses. Why should they talk to woe be gone, bee stung fly raising honey farmers like us? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 14514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Making creamed honey? Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Oct 1998 15:36:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6v6gdg$ngn$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19981006113616.19678.00002980@ng62.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14514 One easy way is to start with a 5 gallon bucket of light honey and introduce (very carfully so as not to intorduced any air) a "seed" of one-pound of fine creamed honey (Stollers is a very good choice) and mix very slowy to keep from introducing any air. Bottle. Store in a location that stays at a constant low fifty degrees (F) for about 3-4 weeks and you will have a highly qaulity creamed honey. Ron Bennett, Luckaimute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 14515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extraction questions Date: 5 Oct 1998 16:51:29 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 42 Message-ID: <01bdf07f$762fd140$d865400c@micron> References: <36183C01.69C1939@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.216 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14515 Bill Greenrose wrote in article <36183C01.69C1939@valley.net>... > > fifth, even though this little extractor i bought works really well, and > is not that hard to use, from a time management/labor standpoint, it's > the most inefficient part of the process. i'm not excited about the > idea of spending even more hours cranking the handle next year, when my > colonies are mature and really producing. so, even though it's been > asked here before, i wasn't paying attention and missed the answer, > which is why i pose the question, again. does anyone have a basic > conversion plan to motorize a manual extractor? i can rig up a support > and drive train assembly, but, i don't know about hp or rpms. > > I did 3 things this year that made my life a lot easier: 1. I stacked the supers and let a small nursery heater (low heat) blow through them to warm the comb. 2. Kludged a motor to my 2 frame Dadant Jr. bench extractor by turning over an old 2 speed floor polisher and running a belt from the spindle where the brushes attach to the extractor shaft. It was the most beautiful engineering kludge I have come up with in a long time. No gear ratios to worry about. The RPM's were ideal. About 5 minutes a side. I did 40 mediums and 10 deeps (frames, not supers) in an afternoon. The real beauty of the motor is that it allows you to multi-task. While frames are spinning, you are uncapping. 3. I built a small bench that I attached to the side of my workbench in the garage. It is tall enough to slide a 5 gal bucket under the gate on the extractor. I secured the extractor to this bench with perforated plumbers strap. No more walking extractor. On my list for this winter is to locate a 1/4 HP, 1700 RPM split phase motor. The floor polisher is being sold at a garage sale this weekend :( -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Article 14516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:05:34 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6vb9e3$rd9$1@news.vic.com> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> <36193823.35DA067F@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.47 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14516 how do you figure the bees wont mistake you for an intruder and sting you and your family? Larry Susan K. Wehe wrote in message <36193823.35DA067F@ix.netcom.com>... >I would say that the first time your bees attacked someone off your >property, that you'd better hope that your assets are in someone else's >name. Considering the fact that AHB have attacked people and pets at a >pretty fair distance from their hives and that there are people where >only one or two stings could be deadly, I'd say that you could possibly >be charged with criminal negligence or something similar. > > > >Hoping this is just a troll, >susan > >Marc Andelman wrote: > >> Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to >> keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest >> strain of legally available bees one could get? >> >> Regards, >> Marc Andelman > Article 14517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:31:16 -0700 Organization: NorthWest Nexus Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <361A7E14.5C65@povn.com> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> <3619FAF8.BB3C1AA8@se.bel.alcatel.be> <362907b6.9174682@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp242.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14517 > >Marc Andelman wrote: > >> > >> Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to > >> keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest > >> strain of legally available bees one could get? Kidney John replied: > You don't even need the bees. Just put a sign up saying "Dangerous > Bees. Do Not Approach". Yo All: By far the most effective "No Trespassing" sign I have ever seen was merely a small, hand lettered, warning "BRAHMA BULLS." Skip Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 14518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: yunxiang@vt.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: IS honey RAW? Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:50:37 -0300 Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia, USA Lines: 27 Message-ID: <361A748D.199E@vt.edu> References: <36121efb.53007206@news.idt.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.173.215.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 907706862 23882 128.173.215.6 (6 Oct 1998 20:47:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Oct 1998 20:47:42 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14518 Ron Schmidt wrote: > > I have heard that most honey is heated up at some part of the process > of getting it from the hive into a bottle. > I just want to know if this is mostly true or not. > I went to Mexico, and found that most of the local beekeepers there > claimed not to heat their honey ever. > help Ron, The term 'raw' refers more to the filtration of the honey than heating. Raw honey will contain active pollen, bee parts, and other fine particles. The honey may have been crudely filtered, if at all (i.e. wire strainer or ladies' hosiery-preferably unused). Many people purchase local honey for their allergies. It is believed the pollen in the honey aids in building up resistance. A similar concept that doctors use when injecting low dosages of allergens into a patient's arm. Heat is utilized for two primary reasons. First, honey flows better at higher temperatures. As a result, its easier to bottle honey at 100F than 70F. Second, honey is heated, or 'pasteurized', to remove sugar crystals. The crystals serve as seed to promote crystallization of the honey. I placed quotes around the term pasteurized because temperatures used for honey are far below what would be needed to kill off molds, yeasts, etc. Temperatures in the range of true pasteurization, as in milk, would alter the taste of honey by burning the sugar. Article 14519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Adrian T Stacey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:56:59 +1300 Organization: Valkyrie Systems Ltd Lines: 45 Message-ID: <361ACA6B.DE06BAF4@valkyrie.co.nz> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsch.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------73704A448281E35D564E3CE9" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) Cache-Post-Path: newsch.es.co.nz!unknown@p32-max5.chc.ihug.co.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.netgate.net.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14519 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------73704A448281E35D564E3CE9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I find a "Warning - Live Bees" sign at the gate very effective. The same sign in the back of a car seems to engender more respect than the "Baby on Board" variety too ;> Adrian Marc Andelman wrote: > Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to > keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest > strain of legally available bees one could get? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman --------------73704A448281E35D564E3CE9 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Adrian Stacey Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Adrian Stacey n: Stacey;Adrian org: Valkyrie Systems Ltd adr: 88 Hills Road;;;Christchurch;;8001;New Zealand email;internet: valkyrie@valkyrie.co.nz title: Director tel;work: +64-3-385-7103 tel;fax: +64-3-385-7125 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------73704A448281E35D564E3CE9-- Article 14520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: IS honey RAW? Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 00:57:55 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose. Message-ID: <362dae3f.24759121@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <36121efb.53007206@news.idt.net> <361A748D.199E@vt.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-3.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 40 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!peer.news.th.u-net.net!u-net!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!scooby.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-3.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14520 On Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:50:37 -0300, yunxiang@vt.edu wrote: >Ron Schmidt wrote: >> >> I have heard that most honey is heated up at some part of the process >> of getting it from the hive into a bottle. >> I just want to know if this is mostly true or not. >> I went to Mexico, and found that most of the local beekeepers there >> claimed not to heat their honey ever. >> help > >Ron, > >The term 'raw' refers more to the filtration of the honey than heating. >Raw honey will contain active pollen, bee parts, and other fine >particles. The honey may have been crudely filtered, if at all (i.e. >wire strainer or ladies' hosiery-preferably unused). Many people >purchase local honey for their allergies. It is believed the pollen in >the honey aids in building up resistance. A similar concept that doctors >use when injecting low dosages of allergens into a patient's arm. > >Heat is utilized for two primary reasons. First, honey flows better at >higher temperatures. As a result, its easier to bottle honey at 100F >than 70F. Second, honey is heated, or 'pasteurized', to remove sugar >crystals. The crystals serve as seed to promote crystallization of the >honey. I placed quotes around the term pasteurized because temperatures >used for honey are far below what would be needed to kill off molds, >yeasts, etc. Temperatures in the range of true pasteurization, as in >milk, would alter the taste of honey by burning the sugar. My honey is extracted at room temperature, though slightly warmer than usual, and is only coarsely strained. I leave it to strain naturally, no pressure, or heating, just a long slow drip. There are never any bee parts, but some wax and pollen gets in. A cup of coffee without a film of wax, isn't a decent cup of coffee! Anyway, the wax must be nutritious too, it's made from food..... -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk "I'll get my coat", Bette Davis, 'A Stolen Life', 1946 Article 14521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: yunxiang@vt.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease patties Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:25:25 -0300 Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia, USA Lines: 10 Message-ID: <361A6EA5.2990@vt.edu> References: <36198360.403B@golden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.173.215.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 907705349 23882 128.173.215.6 (6 Oct 1998 20:22:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Oct 1998 20:22:29 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14521 Ken Coyle wrote: > > Does anyone have a receipe for grease patties? > -- > Ken Coyle > "Carpe Ductum" Seize The Tape > coyle@golden.net > http://www.golden.net/~coyle Its an easy mix. 2 parts sugar and 1 part vegetable shortening. Article 14522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Further Questions Date: 4 Oct 1998 17:46:27 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 69 Message-ID: <01bdefbd$ff2ae2e0$5965400c@micron> References: <6v5gm4$u8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.89 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14522 Dick, I keep 2 hives in my 30ft x 40ft urban lot with no problems. This also serves my kids and their friend as a play yard with no malicious stinging (an occasional squashed bee renders a stinger though). To get along with the neighbors, the bees should be forced to fly up before exiting your property. A fence or hedge will do. And don't forget to give the neighbors some honey. Also be sure to check your zoning laws. Where I live you can keep 2 hives on a lot within the city limits. Oddly enough, the county permits 0 hives on a strictly residential lot. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! disabledvet@my-dejanews.com wrote in article <6v5gm4$u8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... > Hi Again: I just returned from a trip to Ireland - was most enjoyable - > being away from work. I discovered that if one wants to retire, one needs > some $$$$$$$$. A cottage that we rented, allowed me to rest - while my wife > and sister-in-law would car travel, if it was not a good day for me to > travel. I contacted a local beekeeper next door (semi-rural setting) > indicated that he had just put his five hives up for the Winter - I asked him > if there was alot of honey this year and he indicated "no" because of the > weather. I had noticed on our various trips throughout Ireland that I had > not seen any "honey-bees" - that is why I had asked the question to this gent > about honey for the year. That was about all the questions I knew to ask him > - that is what happens when when is a newbie a certain field. "Yes, thank > you very much, I enjoyed my vacation." Regardless - that is in the FWIW > category. > > I received excellent answers and guidance to my question of what type of > hive I should be looking for as it related to my disabilities. I now have > several other questions and if this is not the appropriate forum to ask, > please direct/point me else where. > > 1. As we live in a suburban neighborhood (approximately on 1/3 acre) - can > I safely establish a bee hive that would receive sun for most of day. > Really, what I am searching for, is there anyone out in the ng that lives in > a city type environment and raises bees in this type of setting? I would > have no more than one hive as I do not think I can physically handle more > than one. P.S. I have a good relationship with my neighbors. > > Well, my several questions really turned out to be just one. > > Thanking in advance, regardless if it is this forum or if I am directed to > another forum. > > Dick Squires > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own > Article 14548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!master.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail From: Rebecca Davis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: highly technical questions Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:27:05 -0400 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> Reply-To: amused@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-243-253.s62.as14.rkv.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 907900331 8957 207.172.243.253 (9 Oct 1998 02:32:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14548 Ok, I've been waiting for somebody else to ask these highly technical questions, but nobody has, so here goes: Question #1. How do you keep the smoker going? I have finally resorted to charcoal thingys that are used in churches to light the incense. That tends to keep stuff burning longer, and it seems not to bother the bees. I've tried all kinds of fuel, in different amounts. Too little, and it burns out pretty quick, too much and it goes out. The charcoal seems like cheating. So what's the secret? Questions #2. When you're in the beeyard and you're scraping propolis off things, what's a convenient way to get rid of it (off the hive tool)? The bottom of my shoe is not working. Thanks, Becky in Maryland Article 14549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!feed2.nntp.acc.ca!feed.nntp.acc.ca!cyclone.mbnet.mb.ca!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.244.253.199!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: requeening Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:29:07 -0700 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6vjrvo$nj5$1@strato.ultra.net> References: <6vgrkp$n3m$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <361c7139$0$176@diablo.uninet.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: d141.dial-1.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 9 Oct 1998 02:21:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14549 Vahur wrote in message <361c7139$0$176@diablo.uninet.ee>... > >Marc Andelman wrote: >>I am sick and tired of getting stung by my Yugo bees. They are > > > >Hi, >What about watch dog bees :-) :-) ? >I advise you to get Italian bees. The most popular bees in the world. >The best time to requeen is summer. > >Vahur > According to that thread, I will be sue bee if I keep my nasty hive. Well, have you ever noticed how a beekeeper and his bees look alike? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 14550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Ellis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: multiple groups Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:15:51 -0500 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6v9dnd$h1$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip113.birmingham4.al.pub-ip.psi.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-ELN-Date: Sun Oct 4 20:17:01 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14550 Why do we need several different news groups on same thing if everyone is just going to post the same message to all the groups. I see several groups with same messages from same person, and then we gripe about SPAMS. Article 14551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <361D7837.318E0F12@mis.net> From: michael X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:43:03 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.176 X-Trace: news2.randori.com 907900900 206.28.32.176 (Thu, 08 Oct 1998 19:41:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 19:41:40 PDT Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.servint.com!news-out.netasset.com!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14551 > >>Question #1. How do you keep the smoker going? I use straw and a mix of dry and green grass for fuel and just pump it from time to time to keep it going. Don't use to much smoke. >>Question #2. When you're in the beeyard and you're scraping propolis off things I generally leave the stuff where it is. Article 14552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extraction questions Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:24:49 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 98 Message-ID: <36183C01.69C1939@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-127.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14552 greetings, all. i pulled my supers today and began extracting for the first time and guess what? i got honey! what an awesome experience. the smell, the look, the TASTE. anyway, i've done the bulk of the frames, with the balance to be finished tomorrow, and i've got a few questions. first, does anyone have any recommendations for good books on extraction? i got 'the new complete guide to beekeeping' by roger morse this past week in preparation, but was disappointed to find that he barely covers the subject [lots of good stuff on other topics, tho.] second, when uncapping with a hot knife, is it standard practice to cut the comb flush with the sides of the wood frame? a few of my frames were lopsided, drawn significantly out beyond the frame on one side and drawn very shallow on the other sided. cutting flush with the frame made sense to me as a way to get the bees to build the combs more evenly next year [not that one can ever tell a bee what to do]. but, i ended up cutting some hefty pieces of comb in the process. so, i wondered if the cut is supposed to be made to a standard depth, instead. third, on the subject of uncapping, i now have an uncapping tank containing several pounds of cappings and honey. this is a basic, plastic tank with a metal queen excluder for a screen and a fine nylon mesh filter, as well. honey is dripping through the screen and filter, but it is a s-l-o-w process. is there any way to speed it up? i spread the cappings around as much as i could and brought the tank indoors, where it's warmer. but, would something like a potato masher speed the process, or is it just a matter of letting gravity do its thing? fourth, is there any kind of rule-of-thumb for knowing when to stop extracting frames? i know there are a million variables to consider: type of extractor [radial, 22 in. ID], drive mechanism/power source [manual, gear, approaching middle-age but active anti-yuppie], size of frames [mediums], temperature [60ish], thickness of honey [average?], etc. be-that-as-it-may, basically, i was wondering if there was a ballpark way to tell when it's time to stop cranking the damn handle. at first, i thought i would spin 'em until that unique, rain-on-a-tin-roof sound of honey pinging on the inside of the extractor stopped. but, i think i can make that happen [by revving the unit faster] way beyond the break-even point on the scale of diminishing returns. so, i periodically inspected the frames to see how much honey was left. but, there always seems to be a l-i-t-t-l-e more there to extract. finally, i settled on a combination of appearance [golly sarge, looks about empy to me.'], weight ['hmmmm, if seems to feel about as heavy as this empty frame. guess i'm done.'], and time ['please, mommy, make it stop.'] i probably cranked for about 45 stop-and-go minutes per load of frames [9], which i suspect is overkill. but, maybe not. as an aside, with this extractor i found that, if i revved it up and, just before i lost it and slipped the clutch, i gave it a really solid hoist, releasing on the upstroke, i could get a burst of over 500 rpm for about 15 seconds. i measured the rpms by lightly touching the knobby portion of the drive shaft on the other side of the clutch from the handle, where there are 2 bumps. 30 bumps in 5 seconds = 15 shaft revolutions in 5 seconds = 45 extractor revolutions in 5 seconds = 540 rpm. most of the time, though, i cranked it at only about half that speed at a minute or so a pop. 9 frames yielded about 2 gallons of strained, filtered honey. does that seem about right? fifth, even though this little extractor i bought works really well, and is not that hard to use, from a time management/labor standpoint, it's the most inefficient part of the process. i'm not excited about the idea of spending even more hours cranking the handle next year, when my colonies are mature and really producing. so, even though it's been asked here before, i wasn't paying attention and missed the answer, which is why i pose the question, again. does anyone have a basic conversion plan to motorize a manual extractor? i can rig up a support and drive train assembly, but, i don't know about hp or rpms. finally, an observation, not a question. i had a full super left over from last year, because i did not have enough to make the investment in extraction equipment worthwhile. this super sat in my unheated garage all fall, winter, spring and summer, sandwiched between two pieces of waferboard. basically, it froze in the winter [at least -15F] and baked in the summer [90+]. i pretty much expected it to be crystallized. but, while very thick, all of it was liquid and extractable. it tastes great, too [well, at least it tastes like honey to me]. even the small amount that leaked out onto the waferboard from some burr comb was still liquid. i've read that honey picks up moisture even in the comb and will eventually crystallize. any comments? well, that's it for this long post. thanks for reading! bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 14553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 22:51:23 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3618423B.66C0@midwest.net> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 907559677 .ZFUVYH4M1C20D0EBC usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14553 Marc Andelman wrote: > > Hello. What does anyone think of the idea of bee hives used to > keep intruders out? Besides African bees, what is the nastiest > strain of legally available bees one could get? > Now you're interested in what's legal? You're not by any chance trying to keep your wife away from those damaged pots & pans are you? :) AL Article 14554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "C.R. Crowell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wet honey supers Date: 5 Oct 1998 00:25:57 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6v93ml$g0i@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <36178362.0@news.aiusa.com> <19981004163338.03214.00001131@ng128.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.56.98 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14554 Pollinator wrote in message <19981004163338.03214.00001131@ng128.aol.com>... > >From: "logcabin" > ><time of year or is this a no-no? Other sticky part is that I have strips on. I concur with Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop - I keep the fall wet supers either under cover or indoors until I can expeditiously return them to the hives over the inner covers. The theory is that they will only bring surplus honey down into the brood supers where it will not be extracted (and where the strips are). The only tricky part may be that the timing is difficult, as here in New Jersey the colder weather seems to come just as the fall flow is still on, and I try to get the supers off, extracted, and on again so the bees don't either "plug" up the comb where the queen may still be laying, or put any nectar up above the inner cover (which I'm told is unlikely, but I'm reluctant to take anything for granted). Incidently, a badminton racket does a good job on yellow jackets as they strip clean any extracting equipment left out to dry before a final cleaning. I pull in the supers after the first hard frost, to store them for the winter, the theory being that the wax moths become inactive for the winter. I will pull the apistan strips some time afterwards, per the manufacturer's specifications (which is likely, but not certain, to be after the first hard frost) / C.Crowell Article 14555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: leroy@nospam.com (Leroy Rodriguez) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS: Woodenware and equipment in New Mexico Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:23:19 GMT Organization: Santa Fe Institute Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6v8pac$e5c$1@santaclara.santafe.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialesp204.roadrunner.com X-Trace: santaclara.santafe.edu 907536524 14508 209.12.74.204 (4 Oct 1998 21:28:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@santafe.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Oct 1998 21:28:44 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!xmission!nntp.csuchico.edu!cscnews.csc.calpoly.edu!nntp-server.caltech.edu!mr2.mst6.lanl.gov!fugu!SantaFe!leroy Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14555 For Sale Woodenware and miscellaneous beekeeping equipment. 10 complete hives and approximately 20 10" deep supers in good condition. Needs some work. Equipment located in northern New Mexico around the Espanola Area. Best offer receives the whole lot. Respond Via Email to Leroy@roadrunner.com or call after 6:00PM (505) 753-6516 Note: Spam protection in place. Article 14556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Edward Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Carniolans Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:20:51 -0400 Organization: Bell Atlantic Internet Solutions Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6v8sfk$2cc@world1.bellatlantic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: client-151-200-127-39.bellatlantic.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!world1.bellatlantic.net!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14556 Greetings fellow beekeepers. This is my first year as a beekeeper. I am starting with just one hive, which I started from a nuc. I have had the hive since May, and it is doing very well. My problem is everything I have read indicates that carniolans are a breed of bee that dispite your best efforts at hive management, may still likely swarm on you. In my neighborhood I know that 10 to 20 thousand bees hanging from your mailbox or in front of your front door is LAWSUIT MATERIAL. I am considering getting an Italian or Midnite queen very soon to ensure that by the time spring rolls around again, I won't have any Carniolans left in the hive. Any related experiences, or advice would be greatly appreciated. Ed ewatkins@bellatlantic.net Article 14557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Oct 1998 04:51:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> Message-ID: <19981009005133.12822.00014185@ng67.aol.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.shore.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14557 I quite honestly have to laugh on this one... >How do you keep a smoker going? How to keep a smoker going...well, it is one part brain and another part smoker fuel. When one first starts the smoker, remember to layer the contents. Pine sawdust tends to work well as a starter, then layer it with pine needles, a medium dry tall grass and some more shavings. Then, the real trick is to notice when it is time to refuel... When you drive a car, you don't run it till it is out of gas, a smoker is similar to a car in that you do not run it till it quits, then refill, you fill the car BEFORE it runs out of gas. Just a thought... TTYL Monica > When you're in the beeyard and you're >scraping propolis off things, what's a convenient way to get rid of it >(off the hive tool)? The bottom of my shoe is not working. well, think productively, there are a few places which pay for cleaned propolis, why not collect it and sell it! Otherwise, you can scrape it off on the side of the box to get rid of it...your shoe...now that is being creative...let's think of some others...how about filling the rust spots on the car...or...puttying windows... ;o) TTYL Monica ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! Article 14558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeed.uninet.ee!diablo.uninet.ee!not-for-mail From: "Vahur" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6vgrkp$n3m$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <361c7139$0$176@diablo.uninet.ee> <6vjrvo$nj5$1@strato.ultra.net> Subject: Re: requeening Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:14:39 +0300 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <361d9b85$0$179@diablo.uninet.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.40.195.71 X-Trace: 907910021 179 (none) 193.40.195.71 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14558 Marc Andelman wrote: >According to that thread... My question was a joke, I suppose so is your's. Best regards Vahur Article 14559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extraction questions Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:28:24 -0700 Organization: Various Lines: 2 Message-ID: References: <36183C01.69C1939@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: magnolia.pe.net X-Trace: arlington.pe.net 907565193 18225 207.49.166.3 (5 Oct 1998 05:26:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Oct 1998 05:26:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14559 Cool, man; cool. One user on here suggested that room temp should be pushed up pretty high to get the honey to flow more rapidly. Fun, huh? Article 14560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!basement From: beespamguy@NOTearthlink.net (Mushroom) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease patties Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 00:40:42 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6vh1t5$3f0$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <36198360.403B@golden.net> <361A6EA5.2990@vt.edu> <6vf989$gb7$1@juliana.sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust172.tnt1.westfield.in.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 X-Posted-Path-Was: basement X-ELN-Date: Wed Oct 7 17:44:22 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14560 In article <6vf989$gb7$1@juliana.sprynet.com>, "E.L.Scofield" wrote: >>Ken Coyle wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone have a receipe for grease patties? > > >That's by weight. I use a 1 lb. can of Crisco to a 2lb. bag of granulated >sugar. > If I may.... At a recent Indiana Beekeepers workshop it was mentioned that a bit of honey in the mix may incourage the bees to use the mixture. I found that it is true. Last winter I used patties ( with Terramycin) and it was poorly accepted. This year I added approx 4oz of honey to a 20 patty ( 6oz) mix. They were 60% gone after two weeks. I want the terramycin dosage spread out. This spreads the dosage out to where I wanted it. Please delete the spam from my name and the NO from my provider. Article 14561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: comb honey Date: Thu, 08 Oct 98 09:29:24 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <17FE98578S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <6vgcik$sfd$1@news.online.de> <01bdf22d$279ea380$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> <361C1BD1.701E690@valkyrie.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14561 In article <361C1BD1.701E690@valkyrie.co.nz> Adrian T Stacey writes: > >This consists of forty plastic cassettes imprinted with a foundation layer in >the base.... > >I do intend to try tracing the supplier, so anyone interested may like to >email me. > >Adrian > The equipment you describe is Hogg Cassettes, brainchild of John(?) Hogg. I do not have an address for Mr. Hogg, but many equipment suppliers sell the Hogg equipment. Hogg half comb cassettes are the major competetor with Ross Rounds (there are pros and cons for each system). Just about any supplier that carries one carries the other, at least here in the States, I don't know about kiwi land. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 14562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:34:14 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose. Message-ID: <361ecf45.592090@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> <19981009005133.12822.00014185@ng67.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-46.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 21 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!scooby.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-46.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14562 On 9 Oct 1998 04:51:33 GMT, hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) wrote: > >>How do you keep a smoker going? > I use cylindrical rolls of corrugated cardboard, which smoulder nicely, but depends on the 'nature' of the material used. If you have an old cotton sheet (bed linen), leave it out in the rain for a few days, then when it is dry, it can be torn up and makes excellent smoker fuel. When you put the smoker down, stand it upright, and it should act as a 'flue', as the hot air and smoke rise out of the nozzle, air is drawn in at the bottom, causing a 'draught' which ought to be enough to keep the smoker burning. experiment with different materials. Optimum is something which is free, and natural, like grass or straw or, as in another reply, bits of tree! hth -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk ICQ 20388351 "I'll get my coat", Bette Davis, 'A Stolen Life', 1946 Article 14563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!203.97.37.7!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: Adrian T Stacey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: comb honey Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 23:37:44 +1300 Organization: Valkyrie Systems Ltd Lines: 59 Message-ID: <361DE777.937FC2C@valkyrie.co.nz> References: <6vgcik$sfd$1@news.online.de> <01bdf22d$279ea380$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> <361C1BD1.701E690@valkyrie.co.nz> <17FE98578S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsch.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------79C3AABD3951B383070D4BBC" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) Cache-Post-Path: newsch.es.co.nz!unknown@p10-max10.chc.ihug.co.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14563 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------79C3AABD3951B383070D4BBC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aaron Morris wrote: > In article <361C1BD1.701E690@valkyrie.co.nz> > Adrian T Stacey writes: > > > > >This consists of forty plastic cassettes imprinted with a foundation layer in > >the base.... > > > >I do intend to try tracing the supplier, so anyone interested may like to > >email me. > > > >Adrian > > > The equipment you describe is Hogg Cassettes, brainchild of John(?) > Hogg. I do not have an address for Mr. Hogg, but many equipment > suppliers sell the Hogg equipment. Hogg half comb cassettes are the > major competetor with Ross Rounds (there are pros and cons for each > system). Just about any supplier that carries one carries the other, > at least here in the States, I don't know about kiwi land. > > Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! I bow to your knowledge of what is avaailable inthe US. I had not heared of Mr Hogg, the Ross Rounds of course are known to me. I still have about twenty cassettes of Kiwicombe filled about seven years ago, spooning into them is a GREAT luxury Adrian --------------79C3AABD3951B383070D4BBC Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Adrian Stacey Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Adrian Stacey n: Stacey;Adrian org: Valkyrie Systems Ltd adr: 88 Hills Road;;;Christchurch;;8001;New Zealand email;internet: valkyrie@valkyrie.co.nz title: Director tel;work: +64-3-385-7103 tel;fax: +64-3-385-7125 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------79C3AABD3951B383070D4BBC-- Article 14564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Oct 1998 10:00:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3618423B.66C0@midwest.net> Message-ID: <19981005060059.25995.00002918@ng116.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14564 those little german devils would fit the bill nicely Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:11:55 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose. Message-ID: <3625fc4b.9049729@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> <19981009005133.12822.00014185@ng67.aol.com> <361ecf45.592090@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <361DE877.3022B944@valkyrie.co.nz> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-169.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 24 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!scooby.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-169.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14565 On Fri, 09 Oct 1998 23:42:00 +1300, Adrian T Stacey wrote: > > >Kidney John wrote: > >> When you put the smoker down, stand it upright, and it should act as a >> 'flue', as the hot air and smoke rise out of the nozzle, air is drawn >> in at the bottom, causing a 'draught' which ought to be enough to keep >> the smoker burning. > >This reminds me of advice I received many years ago. On bee stings, the >suggestion was to use the smoker nozzle to scrape the stinger off at skin >level - if you burned yourself, the smoker was running too hot! > Good thinking! One definite advantage of this is that the smoke covers the scent of the venom, and so cuts down the likelihood of attracting more apian aggression..... -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk ICQ 20388351 "I'll get my coat", Bette Davis, 'A Stolen Life', 1946 Article 14566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!nyd.news.ans.net!abq.news.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.chips.ibm.com!mdnews.btv.ibm.com!rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Hedemark Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping FAQ? Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:42:51 +0000 Organization: IBM Lines: 42 Message-ID: <361E12DB.A7574FBF@us.ibm.com> References: <361A249A.1BF4B0F5@us.ibm.com> <6vkqk3$8tk$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: hedemark@us.ibm.com NNTP-Posting-Host: fordman.raleigh.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14566 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > >I am writing from my work address. Please respond to my personal > >address, chris@yonderway.com as well as hedemark@us.ibm.com so I can > >read and respond to your message in a timely fashion. > > Posting and then informing the group that you don't want a follow-up will only > produce follow-ups. :) Sorry the intention was that if folks were going to email me, to please use both addresses. As you can see I was also following the newsgroup for followups. > If you want to make a FAQ, remember that beekeeping, and all forms of > apiculture, are extremely dependent on the area where the management is > being practiced. I'd be glad to archive and point to any specific regional > beekeeping FAQ you come up with at http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees I don't really know anything about beekeeping but I'd like to. What I was offering was basically space for anyone else who is inclined to want to do it. This way the FAQ will be on a site that is rurally/agriculturally oriented, and you won't get stuck with those annoying Geocities pop-up windows. :-) > You could point your beekeeping links to other already established sites on > the net too. Not a big fan of links. Too many sites go up an down. The aim is to accumilate as much original content as possible, or to mirror existing content (with the permission of the author, of course). The Food Storage FAQ is one such example of an existing FAQ that is about to be mirrored at http://www.yonderway.com/rural. If there *is* an existing FAQ, don't you worry about the possibility of the web site going down without any word from the author, or the author losing interest? Mirroring content is much better for preserving collective wisdom than everybody linking to one site, IMHO. -- Chris Hedemark hedemark@us.ibm.com Article 14567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!cyclone.mbnet.mb.ca!cyclone.bc.net!news.bc.net!news.sfu.ca!chenness From: chenness@sfu.ca (Craig Adam Hennessey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I have a few bee questions Date: 9 Oct 1998 22:33:19 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6vm2vf$af3$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: fraser.sfu.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14567 Hi, my first question is how much sugar water is enough for the winter.. say for an average hive that's doing fine that's 2 supers big. I've fed mine about 8 kg of sugar, and i thinnk that may be enough.. is it? Also, I have earwigs under the cover that keep coming back, that don't seem to interfear with the bees, so they're probably no harm, they just like the heat maybe.. Also what benifit do bees get from the little wasps that pull the dead bees away, and spiders that eat the bees, but may also eat other intruders? Thanks for any information, Craig. Article 14568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3618CF9A.FA9BB1D9@mis.net> From: michael X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping in Iran References: <3614DF33.C289EA8C@lboro.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:54:35 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.90 X-Trace: news2.randori.com 907595590 206.28.32.90 (Mon, 05 Oct 1998 06:53:10 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 06:53:10 PDT Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.servint.com!news-out.netasset.com!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14568 > > I'm a beginer beekeeper but I can try to help. > > >1. When do you start feeding of bees on spring? What ratio of sugar and > >water do you use? > I think you start feeding them as soon as the weather warms up and they > start to get active. Spring sugar mix is half sugar half water. > >2. Why do you feed your bees by sugar? to increase the hives or to > >prepare the bees for honey producing? > It is my understanding that it is to get them on a good start for the > honey flow. > >3. What is the race of your queens? doees it producing lots of > >offsprings or not? > My bees are Italians, yes many eggs. Some people like Caucasian bees for > their gentelness as are Carniolan. Buckfast bees have come to be popular > with some latelely. Article 14569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "C.R. Crowell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: 10 Oct 1998 00:16:48 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6vm91g$l3l@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> <19981009005133.12822.00014185@ng67.aol.com> <361ecf45.592090@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <361DE877.3022B944@valkyrie.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.56.98 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14569 With regard to smokers and stings, I have been told that if you get stung on the arm or hand, to "smoke" the area (after removing the stinger) to eliminate the "scent" that can induce other bees to sting in the same area. I have noticed that before I began using this technique, I often sustained multiple stings in the same part of my hand. / C.Crowell Article 14570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.20!newsfeed.maine.rr.com!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: 10 Oct 1998 01:42:23 GMT Organization: Road Runner Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bdf3ee$e7b35ea0$20955d18@ericahls.maine.rr.com> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> Reply-To: "rick" NNTP-Posting-Host: dt081n20.maine.rr.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14570 One of the best smoker fuels I've found is punky Elm or Birch thats been dried for several months. It burns slowly and cooly and it can sit quite a while before it goes out, if it does at all. I keep a coffee can with lid handy for all the scrapings. Bits of propolis and burr comb on the ground only attracts ants, skunks and other varmints. Article 14571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: gwoods@albany.net (Gary Woods) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:18:35 GMT Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 25 Message-ID: <361fbf63.12467737@news.monmouth.com> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm6p45.albany.albany.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14571 Rebecca Davis wrote: >Ok, I've been waiting for somebody else to ask these highly technical >questions, but nobody has, so here goes: Question #1. How do you keep >the smoker going? Used baling twine works fine for me- I start it with a wad of burning paper in the smoker, drop in a few hunks, then a pretty good batch, pumping the bellows to get in going pretty well. No trouble keeping it going. >Questions #2. When you're in the beeyard and you're >scraping propolis off things, what's a convenient way to get rid of it >(off the hive tool)? The nearest hive stand/tree? Or, just shove the hive tool in the dirt a few times. If you have "soil" like mine, the shale and clay will clean it nicely. -- Gary Woods O- K2AHC Public keys at www.albany.net/~gwoods, or get 0x1D64A93D via keyserver gwoods@albany.net gwoods@wrgb.com fingerprint = E2 6F 50 93 7B C7 F3 CA 1F 8B 3C C0 B0 28 68 0B Article 14572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HOT News--Another bee barn fire! Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:33:33 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <361eb7f2.20976590@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.57.104 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.57.104 Lines: 42 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!208.25.57.104 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14572 Just some breaking news you may want to check in at http://beenet.com/bnews.htm for this and much more. ttul Andy- Just Beekeeping News© also called the "Killer Bee & Worm Journal" with newest articles on top. EDITOR Andy Nachbaur. WARNING opinion is not necessarily the facts or the last word. Quote at own risk with my permission. Last updated 10/08/98 03:09 PM. 10.8.98 Tucson, Az. Health Dept. forces beekeeper to move his hives. 10.8.98 Fire downs one Idaho beekeeper who has suffered enough in the past no thanks to our Bee Cops. Bee Business Destroyed By Fire -(PARMA) -- A Parma bee farmer says he will NOT rebuild the bee barn he just lost in a fire. The beeswax and sawdust fueled the fire south of Parma yesterday...but firemen from four departments were able to save Marvin Smith house and his father's home. There were no bees in the building... but Smith lost 500-thousand dollars because he had NOT insured the building or the equipment. He thinks some grinding work done earlier in the day may have provided the spark that set off the massive fire. *More details as found.See Brians fire pictures here. Clinton nixes ag funding bill! Nothing for honey price protection yet! Holding out for a $7.7 billion aid package for farmers, President Clinton today vetoed the $60 billion agriculture funding bill for fiscal 1999. Clinton had repeatedly warned he would veto the bill if funding for the farm bailout did not do enough to help farmers facing low prices and poor weather conditions. If approved, a $7.7 billion plan favored by Democrats would raise crop price supports, while the $4.2 billion Republican-backed program offered disaster relief and bonus payments to compensate for weak exports. 10/08/1998 11:45 a.m.CDT ttul, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 14573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-stock.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!jupiter.NIC.DTAG.DE!news.online.de!not-for-mail From: "Konrad Bauer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: comb honey Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:39:53 +0200 Organization: 1 & 1 Internet Anwender Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6vgcik$sfd$1@news.online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.52.52.227.rev.rmc.de X-Server-Date: 7 Oct 1998 18:40:20 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14573 Sometimes i read about comb honey. Please give me informations for what comb honey can be used. As i know here in germany it is not available. -- thanks, ciao, Konrad konrad.bauer@online.de Article 14574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.cs.utwente.nl!xs4all!not-for-mail From: Abe Maaijen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in China Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:57:25 +0100 Organization: Aannemersbedrijf Abe Maaijen Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3618FA73.A46189DF@xs4all.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: dc2-isdn1010.dial.xs4all.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dc2-isdn1010.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.151.242] X-XS4ALL-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:55:51 CEST X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [nl] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14574 from: thunder@nospam.primenet.com (Rienza China Consultancy) Organisatie: Rienza China Consultancy Nieuwsgroepen: alt.hobbies.beekeeping I'm looking for information on beekeeping in China - both hobbyist and commercial beekeeping. I'm particularly interested in the major regions in which beekeeping takes place in China and the level of commercialization there. Also - which strains of bees are used? The honey I've seen from China has been rather thin and watery. Is this because it has been adulterated with water or sugar syrup is it naturally thinner than North American honeys? Jeff -- Abe Maaijen Article 14575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: highly technical questions Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:21:33 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6vn93n$h3f$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <361D7477.437BF95A@erols.com> <361fbf63.12467737@news.monmouth.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port15.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14575 gwoods@albany.net (Gary Woods) wrote: >Used baling twine works fine for me- I start it with a wad of burning paper >in the smoker, drop in a few hunks, then a pretty good batch, pumping the >bellows to get in going pretty well. No trouble keeping it going. Baling twine is often treated with poisons to keep mice and rats from chewing on it. Who knows what kind of chemicals you are puting into your hives and your lungs when you use it in your smoker. I prefer natural products like wood chips. Greg - the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 14576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.31.139.5!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: watch dog bees? Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:45:36 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6vevq2$2u0$1@news.vic.com> References: <6v94ms$br7$1@strato.ultra.net> <361ACA6B.DE06BAF4@valkyrie.co.nz> N