Article 21351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!peerfeed.news.psi.net!news.idt.net!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Professional Beekeeper? Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:45:17 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 53 Message-ID: <7t254f$14eo$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37F36428.A24D3C55@bms.com> <37F36E72.2008A202@riverace.com> <01bf0b7f$5d5d2200$39c060cb@leo> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-26.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 938776527 37336 209.130.165.26 (1 Oct 1999 11:15:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Oct 1999 11:15:27 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21351 What is a professional beekeeper? Is it someone who keeps bees for a living or one who just manages a certain number of hives efficiently??? What is a master beekeeper? How 'bout just a successful beekeeper? I'm not trying to split hairs or cause a tiff--just want to know groups opinions... :-) Busybee carman1 wrote in message <01bf0b7f$5d5d2200$39c060cb@leo>... >Greetings both >i was speaking with a professional beekeeper who told me he always puts the >spun frames back in the top box.. rather than putting fresh frames in >there... he recommended this saying that the spun frames seem to encourage >the bees to get busy and fill them again .. he's a well respected man in >the profession so i assumed his information is acurate. >Has anyone else heard of this? > >blessings >carman > >Steve Huston wrote in article ><37F36E72.2008A202@riverace.com>... >> Hi Jesse, >snip >> >> > My question now is what to do >> > with the supers, extracted frames and comb. Does this comb get >> > given back to the hives next year? or do I melt it down? I had >> > read somewhere of leaving the empty supers with frames on the >> > hives above the top board and below the top. Is this advisable. >> > I live in a fairly harsh winter climate, Syracuse, NY. I >> > appreciate any insights. >> >> I put mine back on - put the inner cover over the brood boxes, put the >> supers over the inner cover, put the outer cover over the supers. In a >> day or two the bees should have cleaned them out pretty well. I had a >> few frames with unextracted, unripened honey still in them, and the bees >> did not clean them - they started capping them, so I put those outside >> the hive for a couple of hours and then they were clean. >> >> Don't leave them all outside the hive - it will encourage robbing. >> >> -Steve >> >> -- >> Steve Huston Riverace Corporation >> Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com >> Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 >> Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! >> Article 21352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mmattus@aol.com (MMattus) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question regarding verbage Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Oct 1999 17:13:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991001131317.11953.00000512@ng-fz1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21352 Hello Beekeepers. Im an executive Producer for intellectual property development at Hasbro (the toy company) My responsibilities are to direct the creative development of film, television and live entertainment annimated features. we are currently developing a property that is based on insects, and after reading the script and advised to make changes, I've identified a small but large issue that you folks may be able to simply answer for me. I don't know where else to look. Simply regarding the words "Hive" and Nest. This property takes place on another planet so we have creative license, but as a naturalist by study, Im calling the script writter on the use of the term Hive. My question to you folks is this. Do Wasps have Hives under ground? Or is the term Nest more correct? Im under the assumption, as a beekeeper myself, that a hive related to "honeybees? and that Wasps create nests. Please advise. Thanks Article 21353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed01.btx.dtag.de!newsmm00.btx.dtag.de!news.btx.dtag.de!not-for-mail From: Julia Riesz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help with bee terms (transl. into german) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:13:39 +0200 Organization: T-Online Lines: 8 Message-ID: <37F45F23.61710BDC@gmx.de> Reply-To: julia.riesz@gmx.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news07.btx.dtag.de 938798407 28690 320068789666-0001 991001 17:20:07 X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.de X-Sender: 320068789666-0001@t-dialin.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21353 I am translating an american novel into german. There are two bee terms I don't understand. I would be grateful for an explanation. (If by chance you know the german translation, I would be glad, too) Thank you in advance! What are bee escapes? Apistan strips: must be something against varroa mites Article 21354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.germany.net!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news-in.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!news1.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Professional Beekeeper? 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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:55:27 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21354 In Nebraska we have the "master beekeeper" designation .. to earn you attend a 3 day class .. complete a pretty good take home type test, demonstrate proficiency in various aspects of beekeeping to a current "master beekeeper", then need to do 10 service units during the next year to spread this knowledge. Service units are for giving talks about bees, fair booth, society meetings, mentoring new person etc. I guess a "professional beekeeper" would be one that tried to make a living ( their profession ) off of beekeeping You have to define "successful" .. I know a bunch of people that are very successful at keeping bees .. don't know of any that have made themselves financially successful by keeping bees. Just having the desire / patience and inner calm that this takes means you must be somewhat successful in life. IMHO Dave On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:45:17 -0500, "busybee" wrote: >What is a professional beekeeper? Is it someone who keeps bees for a living >or one who just manages a certain number of hives efficiently??? What is a >master beekeeper? How 'bout just a successful beekeeper? > >I'm not trying to split hairs or cause a tiff--just want to know groups >opinions... :-) > >Busybee > >carman1 wrote in message <01bf0b7f$5d5d2200$39c060cb@leo>... >>Greetings both >>i was speaking with a professional beekeeper who told me he always puts the >>spun frames back in the top box.. rather than putting fresh frames in >>there... he recommended this saying that the spun frames seem to encourage >>the bees to get busy and fill them again .. he's a well respected man in >>the profession so i assumed his information is acurate. >>Has anyone else heard of this? >> >>blessings >>carman >> >>Steve Huston wrote in article >><37F36E72.2008A202@riverace.com>... >>> Hi Jesse, >>snip >>> >>> > My question now is what to do >>> > with the supers, extracted frames and comb. Does this comb get >>> > given back to the hives next year? or do I melt it down? I had >>> > read somewhere of leaving the empty supers with frames on the >>> > hives above the top board and below the top. Is this advisable. >>> > I live in a fairly harsh winter climate, Syracuse, NY. I >>> > appreciate any insights. >>> >>> I put mine back on - put the inner cover over the brood boxes, put the >>> supers over the inner cover, put the outer cover over the supers. In a >>> day or two the bees should have cleaned them out pretty well. I had a >>> few frames with unextracted, unripened honey still in them, and the bees >>> did not clean them - they started capping them, so I put those outside >>> the hive for a couple of hours and then they were clean. >>> >>> Don't leave them all outside the hive - it will encourage robbing. >>> >>> -Steve >>> >>> -- >>> Steve Huston Riverace Corporation >>> Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com >>> Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 >>> Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! >>> > > Article 21355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 17:25:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 61 Message-ID: <7t2qqd$850$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990923091330.08899.00000335@ngol02.aol.com> <19990923153812.29403.00000369@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.41 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 01 17:25:50 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.41 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21355 In article <19990923153812.29403.00000369@ng-cc1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > >I too am wondering how the bees most perfect housing evolved over > >time. What are the factors that caused it and isn't it fortunate > >for the beekeeper. > > Simple....God designed it that way . That's a nice myth (and don't take offense; I mean that word only in its sense of "foundational belief," not as a comment on the veracity of the above-stated belief). However the myth does nothing to explain scientifically what is at play in the mathematical nature of nature. Science provides ever-developing explanation of how things work, the physical causes and effects at play in what we recognize as physical reality. Regardless whether or not it's true, saying that God designed the honeybee's honey cell (or anything else in nature) does not begin to answer the question that was asked. If that kind of answer worked, then we could just forget about going to the doctor when we get sick and just depend on God's design. But even most believers, regardless how traditional their belief, go to the doctor when they need to; they drive cars; they use herbicides and pesticides (or reject them and do other things with their basis in scientific research); they use computers and the Internet... My point is that, whether or not the belief in God's designing the physical world in its smallest detail is true, the belief does nothing to help us understand and manage our daily PHYSICAL reality. An individual scientist may believe in God. But science itself cannot do its job on the basis of that belief. It must use its own methods if it is to provide us answers. And scientific answers often translate into technological differences which shape our interrelationship with the physical reality we are conceived in and born into. The question was HOW and not WHY the cell in the honeybee hive came to be shaped as it is. In another branch of this thread, the question is handled well enough. But whether those answers are complete or accurate, the answer "God made it that way" can never answer the question HOW. It may not even answer the question WHY. The traditional Christian concept is essentially one termed "deus ex machina" in drama. That is, while God created and periodically excerts control (in a physical sense) over the cosmos and its details, he is essentially separate from it, over it. Not in physical unity with it, since he is conceived of as spirit, not matter. Questions of HOW can only be answered from within the system of *physical* reality, of which the traditional God is not a component part. Questions of WHY probably cannot be answered at all. And statements of FAITH are just that: statements of FAITH. They can help people psycholgically/ spiritually ground their lives, which can be very good. But they don't help us combat Varroa or build a better mousetrap. And they don't help us understand the intricacies of the world as partially yet more and more explained by theoretical/ observational/ experimental science. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!dialup36.tnnas2.usit.net!user From: c@u.net (C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax moth eggs Message-ID: Lines: 13 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 19:28:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.153.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 938806124 216.80.153.36 (Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:28:44 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:28:44 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21356 Question,,,, I have a hive that I am getting the wax moths undercontrol. The bees are going to another hive (we moved them from this hive to where they are now) and cleaning up the honey that is left. The question is are wax moth eggs small enough that a bee may transport one (or more) back to the hive withthe honey????? I am new to this bee keeping and am learning each hour new things........ Thanks C. email address is incorrect......... cpierce@usit.net Article 21357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 17:47:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7t2s2p$919$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7srohu$fj7$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990930085638.20803.00000053@ng-cc1.aol.com> <37F4C22A.6A67F7B4@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.41 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 01 17:47:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.41 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21357 Jesse Hunter wrote: > Its purely evolution. I would imagine that since the beginning of > time, there have been many queens that have created workers that made > less efficient, non-hexagonal comb. However, through survival of the > fittest,only those most efficient of bees survived. It really has > nothing to do with math, math merely predicts what configuration is > the most efficient. Well said! Of course, the question still remains for persons with less scientific understanding (such as myself) HOW the accident of DNA variation (a chemical process which I do understand more or less) translates into behavior (which, unlike internal body functions, is not reductively chemical in nature) which, in the case at hand, conforms to mathematic principles of efficiency. The biologist probably has a pretty good handle on this. But the lay person can easily get lost in the translation. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: robbing...? Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:08:07 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 47 Message-ID: <000a01bf0c40$4bcc8c80$02000003@allend> References: <37F0CF65.130C@monmouth.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <37F0CF65.130C@monmouth.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6xR5VsSz+a9nt6lhiOPkq28?= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21358 > Robbing is always accompanied by fighting at the entrance. If the > robbers kill all the bees in a nuc or very small colony, the robbers > still fight among themselves. Robbers fight most obviously when the amount to be stolen is limited, as it becomes when almost everything is gone. Otherwise, unless the hive being robbed puts up a fight, they may not fight much at all. I sometimes think that the bees from a hoplessly queenless hive or drone layer must go with the robbers, since we see no bee bodies, just an empty hive when we discover that they have been robbed out. > ... 'Robbing normally looks like a bunch of bees zig zagging back > and forth in front of the hive trying to get in. Normal flight in > almost straight in and out. ' True, mostly when new bees are getting familiar with the site, the entrance is restricted, or the number of robbers is far greater than the supply. Otherwise they come and go directly, as if on a flow, which, in a sense, they are. > If there will always be dead bees around then I'm fine. No dead bees so > far and I've been out there watching quite a bit trying to figure out > what's happening. Progressive robbing results in few dead bees and is very common. In this form, strong hives are able to enter weaker hives without being challenged and make off with feed. The victim hive loses weight fairly rapidly, but little if any fighting is observed. If all hives in a yard are pretty well equal, then robbing will not be a huge problem, but if some are weak and others are very strong, robbing will eliminate the weaklings. In fact, we consider it a good thing, since the bees themselves identify hives that cannot make it through the coming hard winter and remove their stores to where they can be better employed. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Article 21359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "beeman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: today/northern hemisphere/12 hours light - 12 hours dark Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:00:40 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.44.233.60 X-Trace: news2-hme0 938815782 195.44.233.60 (Fri, 01 Oct 1999 23:09:42 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 23:09:42 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21359 Peter Amschel wrote in message ... >Today is the day after the first night of the Harvest Moon. Today >is also the day when there are exactly the same number of hours >from sunrise to sunset as from sunset to sunrise. > it's called an equinox. Article 21360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.tli.de!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: GMO CROPS AND SITES Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 00:33:48 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 8 Message-ID: <37F544DC.FA8BB626@club-internet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: chartres-2-34.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front7m.grolier.fr 938817282 27017 195.36.131.34 (1 Oct 1999 22:34:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Oct 1999 22:34:42 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21360 Bonjour, At least you know where the trial sites are in G.B. Here in France the authorities refuse to divulge the information to the public or interested parties such as Beekeepers. Peter. Article 21361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!krypton.inbe.net!INbe.net!not-for-mail From: "Fernand Pôlet" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help with bee terms (transl. into german) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:34:17 +0100 Organization: UUNET Benelux (post does not reflect views of UUNET Benelux) Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7t39ag$kfm$1@xenon.inbe.net> References: <37F45F23.61710BDC@gmx.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: uu212-190-1-27.unknown.uunet.be X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21361 Julia Riesz a écrit dans le message <37F45F23.61710BDC@gmx.de>... >I am translating an american novel into german. There are two bee terms >I don't understand. I would be grateful for an explanation. (If by >chance you know the german translation, I would be glad, too) Thank you >in advance! > >What are bee escapes? > >Apistan strips: must be something against varroa mites Bee escape can be translated by "Bienenflucht". It is placed between the brood chamber and the honey chamber just before the honey harvest and withdrawn just after it. Bees leaving the honey chamber cannot get in anymore, thanks to the bee escape. The honey chamber after some time will become empty of bees and can then be harvested safely without disturbing them. Apistan strips containing an insecticide (fluvalinate) to kill the varroa mites. They are placed into the brood chamber during approximately 3 weeks. To get the maximum efficiency it is recommended that all beekeepers in the same region install them at the same time. Ferdi Article 21362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Professional Beekeeper? Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:50:12 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 99 Message-ID: <7t3fjl$a9e$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37F36428.A24D3C55@bms.com> <37F36E72.2008A202@riverace.com> <01bf0b7f$5d5d2200$39c060cb@leo> <7t254f$14eo$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37f4d6aa.938906687@news3.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-61.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 938820021 10542 209.130.165.61 (1 Oct 1999 23:20:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Oct 1999 23:20:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21362 Thanks for the response! Next question--can one become a "Master Beekeeper" without the three day class (just take a written test)? What are the benefits of actually "being" a master beekeeper? Successful beekeeper....hmmm...that would be hard to define. I guess it would be up to the individual...one who would set goals for the year...if you met your personal goal...you would be successful. Dave Hamilton wrote in message <37f4d6aa.938906687@news3.usenetserver.com>... >In Nebraska we have the "master beekeeper" designation .. to earn you >attend a 3 day class .. complete a pretty good take home type test, >demonstrate proficiency in various aspects of beekeeping to a current >"master beekeeper", then need to do 10 service units during the next >year to spread this knowledge. Service units are for giving talks >about bees, fair booth, society meetings, mentoring new person etc. > >I guess a "professional beekeeper" would be one that tried to make a >living ( their profession ) off of beekeeping > >You have to define "successful" .. I know a bunch of people that are >very successful at keeping bees .. don't know of any that have made >themselves financially successful by keeping bees. Just having the >desire / patience and inner calm that this takes means you must be >somewhat successful in life. > >IMHO > >Dave > > > >On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:45:17 -0500, "busybee" >wrote: > >>What is a professional beekeeper? Is it someone who keeps bees for a living >>or one who just manages a certain number of hives efficiently??? What is a >>master beekeeper? How 'bout just a successful beekeeper? >> >>I'm not trying to split hairs or cause a tiff--just want to know groups >>opinions... :-) >> >>Busybee >> >>carman1 wrote in message <01bf0b7f$5d5d2200$39c060cb@leo>... >>>Greetings both >>>i was speaking with a professional beekeeper who told me he always puts the >>>spun frames back in the top box.. rather than putting fresh frames in >>>there... he recommended this saying that the spun frames seem to encourage >>>the bees to get busy and fill them again .. he's a well respected man in >>>the profession so i assumed his information is acurate. >>>Has anyone else heard of this? >>> >>>blessings >>>carman >>> >>>Steve Huston wrote in article >>><37F36E72.2008A202@riverace.com>... >>>> Hi Jesse, >>>snip >>>> >>>> > My question now is what to do >>>> > with the supers, extracted frames and comb. Does this comb get >>>> > given back to the hives next year? or do I melt it down? I had >>>> > read somewhere of leaving the empty supers with frames on the >>>> > hives above the top board and below the top. Is this advisable. >>>> > I live in a fairly harsh winter climate, Syracuse, NY. I >>>> > appreciate any insights. >>>> >>>> I put mine back on - put the inner cover over the brood boxes, put the >>>> supers over the inner cover, put the outer cover over the supers. In a >>>> day or two the bees should have cleaned them out pretty well. I had a >>>> few frames with unextracted, unripened honey still in them, and the bees >>>> did not clean them - they started capping them, so I put those outside >>>> the hive for a couple of hours and then they were clean. >>>> >>>> Don't leave them all outside the hive - it will encourage robbing. >>>> >>>> -Steve >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Steve Huston Riverace Corporation >>>> Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com >>>> Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 >>>> Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! >>>> >> >> > > > Article 21363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Professional Beekeeper? Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 23:22:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7t3hnd$mih$5@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37F36428.A24D3C55@bms.com> <37F36E72.2008A202@riverace.com> <01bf0b7f$5d5d2200$39c060cb@leo> <7t254f$14eo$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21363 "busybee" wrote: >What is a professional beekeeper? Is it someone who keeps bees for a living >or one who just manages a certain number of hives efficiently??? What is a >master beekeeper? How 'bout just a successful beekeeper? >I'm not trying to split hairs or cause a tiff--just want to know groups >opinions... :-) >Busybee Master beekeepers wouldn't exist if they had to make a living keeping bees - they would all starve to death. I think their main goal in life is to spread as much misinformation as possible about bees, based on their keeping of two or three hives. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Professional Beekeeper? Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 19:22:21 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <37F5503D.3911@midwest.net> References: <37F36428.A24D3C55@bms.com> <37F36E72.2008A202@riverace.com> <01bf0b7f$5d5d2200$39c060cb@leo> <7t254f$14eo$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37f4d6aa.938906687@news3.usenetserver.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21364 Dave Hamilton wrote: > > In Nebraska we have the "master beekeeper" designation .. to earn you > attend a 3 day class .. complete a pretty good take home type test, > demonstrate proficiency in various aspects of beekeeping to a current > "master beekeeper", then need to do 10 service units during the next > year to spread this knowledge. Service units are for giving talks > about bees, fair booth, society meetings, mentoring new person etc. On the fishin' boat we had to work our way up through steps: Apprentice baiter Journeyman baiter Master baiter :) AL Article 21365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Oct 1999 00:59:12 GMT References: <7t2qqd$850$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991001205912.04652.00000588@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21365 > Simple....God designed it that way . > >That's a nice myth (and don't take offense; I done did ! you sir belittle the memory of Lorenzo Lorraine Langstroth , Brother Adam, and all those others that came before them. Science is one thing, blindness before overwhelming , inescapable perfection as with the honey comb is another. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax moth eggs Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 00:45:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7t3kjr$r7u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.90 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 02 00:45:50 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.90 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21366 c@u.net (C) wrote: >are wax moth eggs small enough that a bee may transport one (or more) backto the hive with the honey????? > Thanks > C. ********************************************************** Howdy C.-- The bees will not intentionally carry the eggs, and there should be no eggs IN the honey. It may be possible for a few eggs to stick to the fuzz on the bees or their legs, but should pose no problem. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Oct 1999 01:00:31 GMT References: <37F4C22A.6A67F7B4@bms.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991001210031.04652.00000589@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21367 >Its purely evolution. I would imagine that since the beginning of time, >there have been many queens that have created workers that made less >efficient, non-hexagonal comb. Oh go eat a duck ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help with bee terms (transl. into german) Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Oct 1999 01:10:30 GMT References: <7t39ag$kfm$1@xenon.inbe.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991001211030.04652.00000593@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21368 >Apistan strips containing an insecticide (fluvalinate) to kill the varroa >mites. Apistan strips are 1 inch wide 9 inch long thin strips of plastic that have been impregnated with the chemical ( fluvalinate ). In much the same way that plastic collars are impregnated with a flea killing chemical for animal use. The difference being that the Apistan strips are hung down between the frames of a beehive by means of a folding tab cut into the strip itself. The tab allowes the strip to hang without falling. The strips remain inside the hive for 45 days then are removed. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question regarding verbage Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 02:09:51 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7t3ph8$uc1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19991001131317.11953.00000512@ng-fz1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.95 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 02 02:09:51 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.95 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21369 mmattus@aol.com (MMattus) wrote: > Hello Beekeepers. > Do Wasps have Hives under ground? Or is the term Nest more correct? Im under the assumption, as a beekeeper myself, that a hive related to honeybees? and that Wasps create nests. Please advise. Thanks ***************************************************** Howdy matt -- "Hive" is actually the wooden house the bees live in, but the term "hive of bees" is frequently used. "Colony" of bees refers to the group of bees wherever they live (hollow tree, cave, wall of house, etc. Wasps build nests. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: GM crop separations Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:54:28 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7t20g9$fch$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37f9c8db.2420890@news.tesco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-18.flunitrazepam.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 938771785 15761 62.136.68.18 (1 Oct 1999 09:56:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Oct 1999 09:56:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21370 kjc wrote in message news:37f9c8db.2420890@news.tesco.net... > On 30 Sep 1999 08:18:29 +0100, Chris Eilbeck > posted: > > >Stop Press!! > > > >Bees can fly more than 50m. > > Ahh... and most birds wings are clipped? Most birds don't collect pollen from the crops being 'trialled'. That is, the ones which just happen to be also commercially valuable, OSR and corn. The ones the produce of which will have to be destroyed hem hem. We - beekeepers - have been telling the politicians that bees can and will fly for more than three miles for ages. Suddenly Meacher is getting the message. Mary Article 21371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:52:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7t25p9$38s$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7t0l70$qsb$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990930233841.15846.00000210@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21371 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > greg writes: >>Bees building comb is programed in their DNA. >> >>Here we go again! >> >If it is programmed in their dna as you say they sure got the right answer. The >honey comb conjecture and it's proof says their comb is of the very best >design.Would it be programmed once or reprogrammed over time to get this >answer. >I read that bees are such demanding geometers that they won't accept foundation >unless it conforms to their geomertric standard. The book referred to bees as >geometers(like mathematicians). > Al Hey buddy, ' want to buy a bridge? // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Louis" Newsgroups: fr.rec.apiculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pics from Apimondia `99 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:35:11 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7t2d82$epn$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <37F243D0.E935C767@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: clermont-f-8-164.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 938784834 15159 164.138.196.164 (1 Oct 1999 13:33:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Oct 1999 13:33:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21372 Cinq medailles pour les Slovènes un des plus petit pays d'Europe avant Luxembourg et Monaco Five medals for Slovenians - the biggest country in Europe befor LUXEMBOURG and Monaco 1 gold (or) medal : Cebelarstvo Boznar - Polhov Gradec Slovenija ceb.boznar@siol.net 2 silver(argent) medal Louis Ivanec France (slovenian origine ) Laboratoires Apiphyt / http://apiphyt.com e-mail ivanec@wadaoo.fr 3 bronze (bronze) medal - Franci Sivic - Ljubljana - photo of bees alenka.silvaapis@siol.net 4 Janez Mihelic - gold medal uredniku Slovenskega cebelarja cebelarska.zveza.slo@siol.net 5 Janez Mihelic - honour medal - Book "Begining in apiculture for 7 to 14 years cebelarska.zveza.slo@siol.net Slovenia is organiser of APIMONIDIA 2003 site préliminaire _ http://www.uni-lj.si/~bfbee/congres/main.html honey.road@sympatico.ca a écrit dans le message <37F243D0.E935C767@sympatico.ca>... >Couldn't Make it to Apimondia? I've posted pics from my visit to >Apimondia '99 in >Vancouver. Hope you like them. > >http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road > >Allen B > > > > Article 21373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 04:57:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7t43b2$4nj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7t2qqd$850$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19991001205912.04652.00000588@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.46 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 02 04:57:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.46 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21373 hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > you sir belittle the memory of > Lorenzo Lorraine Langstroth , Brother Adam, > and all those others that came before them. Balderdash! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:16:10 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 10 Message-ID: <37F4C22A.6A67F7B4@bms.com> References: <7srohu$fj7$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990930085638.20803.00000053@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.99 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21374 Its purely evolution. I would imagine that since the beginning of time, there have been many queens that have created workers that made less efficient, non-hexagonal comb. However, through survival of the fittest, only those most efficient of bees survived. It really has nothing to do with math, math merely predicts what configuration is the most efficient. Jesse Article 21375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: repbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 12:28:56 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7t4tq2$l5e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37F4C22A.6A67F7B4@bms.com> <19991001210031.04652.00000589@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.195.184 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 02 12:28:56 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.195.184 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrepbees Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21375 In article <19991001210031.04652.00000589@ng-da1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > >Its purely evolution. I would imagine that since the beginning of time, > >there have been many queens that have created workers that made less > >efficient, non-hexagonal comb. > > Oh go eat a duck ! > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > >After all having been said- nothing much has really been said Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!skynet.be!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax moth eggs Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 11:11:31 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7t4r8d$jps$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21376 c@u.net (C) wrote: >Question,,,, I have a hive that I am getting the wax moths undercontrol. >The bees are going to another hive (we moved them from this hive to where >they are now) and cleaning up the honey that is left. The question is are >wax moth eggs small enough that a bee may transport one (or more) back to >the hive withthe honey????? >I am new to this bee keeping and am learning each hour new things........ >Thanks >C. >email address is incorrect......... cpierce@usit.net Wax moths lay many many eggs. They do not need to lay them inside the hive. The moth lays in cracks such as between the the supers. The newly hatched caterpillers, about the size of a paramecium, can crawl incredibly fast and seek out the combs. Waxmoths do not kill bees, beekeepers do! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Professional Beekeeper? Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Oct 1999 15:15:00 GMT References: <7t254f$14eo$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991002111500.16104.00000365@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21377 "busybee" writes: >What is a professional beekeeper? Is it someone who keeps bees for a living >or one who just manages a certain number of hives efficiently??? In beekeeping there is amateur and professional participants. I think you are right , professionals make a living from keeping bees. Amateurs do not make a living from bees but make quite a contribution. Just because they are amateurs does not mean that they have considerable knowledge on the subject. Amateurs or hobbyists far out number the professional beekeeper. A parallel situation maybe amateur and professional astronomers. Professional astronomers accept amateurs and recognize their talent. Amateur astronomers have made many important discoveries and popularize the science. It is evident from this newsgroup that professional beekeepers help hobbyists. Al Article 21378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!skynet.be!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Professional Beekeeper? Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 16:08:27 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Message-ID: <7t5cl5$nc6$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7t254f$14eo$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19991002111500.16104.00000365@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Lines: 52 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21378 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >"busybee" writes: >>What is a professional beekeeper? Is it someone who keeps bees for a living >>or one who just manages a certain number of hives efficiently??? >In beekeeping there is amateur and professional participants. I think you are >right , professionals make a living from keeping bees. Amateurs do not make a >living from bees but make quite a contribution. Just because they are amateurs >does not mean that they have considerable knowledge on the subject. Amateurs or >hobbyists far out number the professional beekeeper. I have lived off raising bees for quite a while now and do not concider myself to be a professional beekeeper. To me a professional is someone that has studied a subject extensively such as a bee researcher or an extention agent with a degree in entomology. Personally I prefer to be know as a commercial beekeeper. Master beekeepers are more interested in the title than the art itself. There are many, many hobbyists out there who are excellent beekeepers as well. >A parallel situation maybe amateur and professional astronomers. Professional >astronomers accept amateurs and recognize their talent. Amateur astronomers >have made many important discoveries and popularize the science. Bad parallel; Amateur astronomers aren't causing all the stars and planets to die off. Hobbyist and Master beekeepers who seldom look into their hives are breeding grounds for bee diseases scattered over hill and dale. >It is evident from this newsgroup that professional beekeepers help hobbyists. I have always made myself available for anybody with an interest in bees. My apiary is open to anyone who wants to learn. I will travel to any beekeeper in Southern Maryland that needs a little help with their beekeeping. As in any profession you must give back. Public service is good for the soul. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: KJ Newsgroups: uk.misc,uk.environment,uk.politics.misc,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,uk.food+drink.misc,sci.bio.botany Subject: Re: GM crop separations Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 17:03:27 +0100 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <7sv6vo$j45$1@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <37F4EDBB.8BFE3985@netcomuk.co.uk> <37F5F8DB.1D7626EE@netcomuk.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-165.dial.nildram.co.uk X-Trace: 2 Oct 1999 17:11:24 +0100, ppp47-165.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 19 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!ussun2n!ggr.co.uk!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!peernews!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!glitch.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-165.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:171109 uk.environment:24708 uk.politics.misc:206220 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21379 uk.food+drink.misc:2359 sci.bio.botany:10977 On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 13:21:47 +0100, 'Droid wrote: >> Government scientists must have known for some time that pollen could be >> carried a considerable distance. Surely they are no that stupid? > >Seeing as that information is just coming to light, it has not been known by >anyone. It has only ever been suspected (although it was very likely to be the >case), with no evidence until recently. The problem with Greenpeace et al is >that they are always assuming things are true: they are often not prepared to >wait for actual evidence. They could have asked MAFF, who deal with beekeepers, who have known this for years. See, Von Frisch, More, Meyer, Snodgrass, Dade, Pringle, Butler, Hodges, Mountain, and very much etc. However, it doesn't matter if it's a thousand miles if the pollen is not viable. -- Kidney John, kj@jaf.NOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.co.uk Article 21380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!dialup93.tnnas2.usit.net!user From: c@u.net (C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax moth eggs Message-ID: References: <7t3kjr$r7u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Lines: 10 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 10:15:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.153.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 938859357 216.80.153.93 (Sat, 02 Oct 1999 06:15:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 06:15:57 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21380 > Pete > So much to learn - So little time ! Amen also thanks for the reply..... C. Article 21381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question regarding verbage Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <19991001131317.11953.00000512@ng-fz1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 90 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 11:54:19 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.154 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 938883531 38.31.18.154 (Sat, 02 Oct 1999 12:58:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 12:58:51 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21381 I was hoping more would find this post irresistible but by this morning I see only one response, and that pretty dry. So, I'll just start at the beginning: > I've identified a small but large issue Is this statement some kind of intellectual property development hype as spoken in the board room? We're you in military intelligence? > My responsibilities are to direct the creative development of >film, television and live entertainment annimated features. So, an animated feature is also live entertainment? You mean I suppose entertainment that isn't filmed, or taped, stuff like that? OK, never mind about that, on to: >we are currently developing a property that is based on insects what kind of insects? > This property takes place on another planet so we have creative license In that case, why bother agonizing over anything, since your "property" is not of this world, make up anything you like. You can be like the scripwriters of Zena who do claim to be of this world, but think nothing of having Gabriel try to take over the world with the Titans, and Romans battling phoenicians demons with supernatural powers; or like those Italian script writers that have cowboys escorting princesses across barren parts of Spain being fought over by Saracens and Vikings, why should you care, your audience is ignorant, and happy too, you know what they say, but I won't say it. I really wouldn't have a problem writing a story these days. Facts are the last thing I would worry about. My daughter and most of her generation (x) have yet to distinguish the difference between a fact and an opinion, so this should be the basis of your "property". Maybe your legal department might squeak over some character you've dreamed up, a four legged insect that has the same name as an obscure Maltese war hero, of whose spelling contains two XX'es. Not to worry, if your live animated entertainment is shown on a Rupert Murdock owned station, and where else would it be, he will send a phalanx of lawyers to muck things up. Another planet, yes, just tell your writer to use his or her imagination; Of course this presumes they didn't pay someone to write their term papers in college. Well, on to your quest: >My question to you folks is this. Do Wasps have Hives under ground? Some actually do, and they provide a valuable service of stuffing their tiny "nest" with stunned flies. Some make nest out of paper with hexagonal cells; in reference to a previous post about bee mathematics, and apropos to bees evolving from wasp, maybe that's who they learned it from. Wasp certainly learned to make paper long before humans. There is that largish waspy looking thing called a cicada killer, that many people in Amarillo, Texas believe are bees, and cicadas do spend seven years underground as part of their cycle, that is, if the cicada killer doesn't lay an egg on them while they're waiting. Sometimes you do see a lot of these large wasp together, (hence the public's concern of giant bees, giant killer queen bees, as some guy described them) > Im under the assumption, as a beekeeper myself, that a hive related to >"honeybees? and that Wasps create nests. Well, you're probably right, because growing up in Texas every kid knew that wasp, the kind that make paper cells, hang out on "wasp's nest' But think about this: A hive is like a city, huge and teeming, like a great collective, does that remind you of anything? A nest is probably what your room looked like in college. ba dee badee,That's all folks, Charles Kroeger Article 21382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question regarding verbage Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 13:05:32 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <37F63B5C.EA6C11DD@kingston.net> References: <19991001131317.11953.00000512@ng-fz1.aol.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21382 I have always believed that honeybees make nests but we make the hive. The term "beehive" describes the home we make for the bees. But inside the hive is the nest. Kent Stienburg Article 21383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 17:46:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 118 Message-ID: <7t5gdi$rn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7t2qqd$850$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19991001205912.04652.00000588@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.62 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 02 17:46:29 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x21.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.62 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21383 Hk1BeeMan wrote: >>That's a nice myth (and don't take offense; > >I done did ! > Kevin, OK, I should have written, "No offense intended," rather than telling you what your emotions should do. But the word myth does have several meanings, and I did make clear which one I intended. Surely you would agree, though, that you have "foundational beliefs," i.e., beliefs which are the basis for your self-concept and your worldview? Everyone has beliefs which ground them and allow them to function in life. This does not mean that those beliefs are false, but it also doesn't *necessarily* mean that those beliefs are an accurate depiction of physical reality. A belief is a belief. Everybody's got a set of them. Not everybody's is the same. Some of them seem fairly reasonable to most people, others seem pretty far out. >you sir belittle the memory of >Lorenzo Lorraine Langstroth , Brother Adam, and all those others that came >before them. I don't know what you are talking about. Just because I refer to Christianity as a set foundational beliefs you would accuse me of belittling the dead who held those beliefs? And not just dead Christians in general but two beekeeping Christian clerics who made very important contributions to the field of apiculture. Or are you saying that we must share the views held by those we admire? I truly don't follow your accusation. I belittled no one. I merely stated that no foundational belief ever explains the science of HOW something came to be. And even when someone's foundational belief prompts them to pursue research which will advance a field of learning or a technological aspect of that field, it is the research not the foundational belief that locates the new knowledge and makes it useable. Science, not foundational beliefs, is the fount of the technology that shapes our interaction with the physical world. >Science is one thing, blindness before overwhelming , >inescapable perfection as with the honey comb is >another. Did I anywhere in my post state my opinion as to the reason or method through which the honeycomb came to be as it is? Just because I challenged your answer to another poster does not mean that I revealed what MY foundational beliefs are. So now I'll tell you: The truth, always partial, is that I am a pantheist, not a Christian. And, yes, I do believe in evolution. But my belief that evolution is the mechanism through which speciation took place is not a view which is by definition at odds even with Christian thinking. In fact, long before Darwin explained the method of natural selection, St. Augustine believed that forms of life changed over time, giving rise to new species. His was a view from the ancient world not the modern one. But, major Christian theologian that he was, he saw no conflict between that view and his foundational belief that God created physical reality. For him, and for many Christians, evolution is the physical-world mechanism through which God set in motion to bring about creation of life, which he believed culminated in the emergence of the human animal. He believed, however, in the superiority of man over the beasts, not because of our greater brain capacity, but, because he believed that the Genesis account of creation indicated that more than just physical creation was involved, he believed that God breathed a soul into the human animal, making Adam, thus, "in His own image." Now whether you agree with the primitive scientific thinking of Augustine or his theology is not the issue here. The point is that, since Darwin particularly, many Christians across the denominational spectrum and many denominations (the Roman Catholic Church among them) and their leaders have, like St. Augustine, come to find no contradiction between their foundational beliefs and a science which describes physical mechanisms through which most of the modern world believes life arrived at its current forms. To indicate that it is incompatible with Christianity to believe that physical mechanisms (discoverable and explainable by science) were used to achieve creation is (to use your style of accusation) to belittle St.Augustine, one of the greatest theologians of all of Christian history, as well as belittling a very large segment of the Christian people today. That you don't believe evolution is the mechanism God used in creation is clear. But I never disputed your right to believe in traditional, literal, Genesis-style creation. I would never dispute your right to believe that. I only said that that belief did not explain the physical mechanisms of the development of life. If you had said that God suspended the laws of nature and worked a miracle by means of speaking reality into existence, well there's a statement that begins to make a claim as to HOW the honeycomb came to be in its current form. But it is a belief that is totally unverifiable. If you believe it, fine, but admit that you do so on the basis of faith not physical evidence. And it is a belief that flies in the face of the verifiable discoveries of science that indicate there was a physical mechanism which caused life to become the forms of life we currently see around us. Science is and must be unconcerned about whether God exists and is behind everything. That does not mean that scientists may not believe. On the contrary, many do believe in the more or less traditionally thought of Judeo-Christian God. But they know that no foundational belief can explain HOW things come to be. Foundational beliefs posit a largely unKNOWable underlying cause (the unmoved mover or the cosmic watch maker, e.g.), they provide spiritual and psychological grounding for building a life, but they do not explain the mechanisms of physical reality. If you're still reading at this point, I will close. Respectfully (regardless whether you believe it), Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <7t2qqd$850$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19991001205912.04652.00000588@ng-da1.aol.com> <7t5gdi$rn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 14:58:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.171 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 938894561 38.11.203.171 (Sat, 02 Oct 1999 16:02:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 16:02:41 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21384 paul kent oakley spake: >The truth, always partial, is that I am a pantheist, not a Christian. I say, then you must have been to the Pantheon. Truly one of the most impressive man made creations on this planet. A mighty triumph of art. The great oculus open to the sky, and on the marble floor, a bright ellipse moves stately along its mighty shaft of light. In this creation one can still believe; what a work is man. Avoid visiting the Pantheon on a Sunday, there is this annoyance of regularly occurring organ music, booming out, as if the Vatican is reminding you, that you're in the wrong building, or perhaps to distract your reverie, as you may find more to wonder about there, than at their international headquarters, across town; in truth, for the Pantheon, no christian enhancement is required, as it has been making its own music there long before christians arrived. Charles Kroeger Article 21385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: More on GM crops Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:15:01 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7t5v0o$dcs$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-53.tungsten.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 938901336 13724 62.136.36.181 (2 Oct 1999 21:55:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Oct 1999 21:55:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21385 In last Sunday's Observer there was an article by Oliver Morgan in which he wrote "Monsanto, the US biotech corporation, has indicated that it is considering a major climbdown over genetically modified food in Britain. It has offered to use its vast gene databases to help plant breeders create new varieties of crops using traditional cross-breeding techniques." You can find the story at:- http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/AC/setguestcookie.cgi?section=News&host=www%2 Enewsunlimited%2Eco%2Euk&uri=%2Fobserver%2Findex%2Ehtml&userid=4G9Dbb01 This seems quite a strange move by Mosanto and I am not quite sure what to make of it. Could it be that they are becoming "Good Guys"! Harry Article 21386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!peernews!news1-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "beeman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37f9c8db.2420890@news.tesco.net> <7t20g9$fch$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: GM crop separations Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:16:00 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.44.213.248 X-Trace: news1-hme0 938904611 195.44.213.248 (Sat, 02 Oct 1999 23:50:11 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 23:50:11 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21386 Mary Fisher wrote in message <7t20g9$fch$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>... > >kjc wrote in message >news:37f9c8db.2420890@news.tesco.net... >> On 30 Sep 1999 08:18:29 +0100, Chris Eilbeck >> posted: >> >> >Stop Press!! >> > >> >Bees can fly more than 50m. >We - beekeepers - have been telling the politicians that bees can >and will fly for more than three miles for ages. Suddenly Meacher >is getting the message. > >Mary > Ah yes, but is the pollen viable after it has been collected? Not according to Article 21387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "R.O." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Africanized bees Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:08:53 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <19990927075654.08458.00000808@ngol05.aol.com> <7t075a$4cr@news1.snet.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21387 Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply wrote in message <7t075a$4cr@news1.snet.net>... >Could be they are working a different species of bee - perhaps Apis Dorsata >instead of Apis mellifera scutellata (AHB). Was it a single large comb in >the open? If so they get a few stings but nothing like what they would get >from a real Africanized Honey Bee colony I'm not sure - it was on the Discovery Channel, it was Africa, they were, Bushman - I believe. I just assumed, from the way they are taking over this continent, that they were the only species in Africa, but then again, why haven't they swarmed their way up to Europe and into Asia, like they are doing here? RO Article 21388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!ftel.ftel.co.uk!newsfeed.eris.dera.gov.uk!nntp.crosslink.net!206.246.124.71.MISMATCH!mojo.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37F79007.BF2DE01A@crosslink.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 13:19:03 -0400 From: "L.E.G." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Checkmite strips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn10.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: mojo.crosslink.net 938970819 138 206.246.124.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21388 Greetings Does anyone have knowlege of the new Checkmite+ strips? Reason for the question is, last week I purchased some of the checkmite strips and replaced the Apistan which had been in place for 30 days.24 hours later I had a varroa count of 28 on the white cardboard. Does anyone have an opinion of whats going on here? I have read that the checkmite strips are 97% effective on varroa, if that is the case how effective is Apistan? Thanks in advance!!! L.E.G. Article 21389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!news1-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "beeman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37F3BCDE.83CDB3E8@nospamqichina.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: New Fears over GM Crops Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 00:04:33 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.44.142.231 X-Trace: news1-hme0 938934086 195.44.142.231 (Sun, 03 Oct 1999 08:01:26 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 08:01:26 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21389 Godfrey Bartlett wrote in message <37F3BCDE.83CDB3E8@nospamqichina.demon.co.uk>... > >The study is the first to find GM pollen in beehives. >Honey packers do their own tests for it, but none has yet been > discovered. They also pay for the testing of imported honey, which is why so little is done >"Most of the honey comes from commercial beekeepers and they're >already well used to moving their hives around to follow the various > crops, and they will avoid GM sites," said Laurie Keys of >the Honey Association, Pigs might fly Article 21390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More on GM crops Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:58:39 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7t7k98$oqj$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7t5v0o$dcs$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-25.manganese.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 938955880 25427 62.136.12.25 (3 Oct 1999 13:04:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Oct 1999 13:04:40 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21390 Harry Goudie wrote in message news:7t5v0o$dcs$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > In last Sunday's Observer there was an article by Oliver Morgan in which he > wrote > > "Monsanto, the US biotech corporation, has indicated that it is considering > a major climbdown over genetically modified food in Britain. It has offered > to use its vast gene databases to help plant breeders create new varieties > of crops using traditional cross-breeding techniques." > > You can find the story at:- > > http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/AC/setguestcookie.cgi?section=News &host=www%2 > Enewsunlimited%2Eco%2Euk&uri=%2Fobserver%2Findex%2Ehtml&userid=4G 9Dbb01 > > This seems quite a strange move by Mosanto and I am not quite sure what to > make of it. Could it be that they are becoming "Good Guys"! > > Harry > You have two options: 1. Don't believe it. 2. Be scared. Be very scared. Mary > Article 21391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <37ced23c.7de4@earthlink.net> <7qnju7$ne0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7r6igs$4s0s$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7r7eau$mcu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7rcu05$4dn$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7slig8$mfq$4@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 16:30:29 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.155 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 938986498 38.31.18.155 (Sun, 03 Oct 1999 17:34:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 17:34:58 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21391 Peter Edwards says: >And I do not drink "light beer" - and never will! My mind is at rest. Charles Kroeger Article 21392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!phobos.ibnetwork.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!not-for-mail From: madQ Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Download Ia.n.i.!!! It's free! Date: 3 Oct 1999 20:32:59 GMT Organization: madQ Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7t8ehr$fu7$550@nslave1.tin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: a-lk2-27.tin.it X-Newsreader: madQ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21392 Download Ia.n.i. RemoteControlSystem 1.2 beta. It's free!!! New site: http://members.xoom.com/IaniSys/ Article 21393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Checkmite strips Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 23:58:19 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7t8sj2$72q$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37F79007.BF2DE01A@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p41.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21393 "L.E.G." wrote: >Greetings >Does anyone have knowlege of the new Checkmite+ strips? Reason for the >question is, last week I purchased some of the checkmite strips and >replaced the Apistan which had been in place for 30 days.24 hours later >I had a varroa count of 28 on the white cardboard. Does anyone have an >opinion of whats going on here? >I have read that the checkmite strips are 97% effective on varroa, if >that is the case how effective is Apistan? Thanks in advance!!! >L.E.G. That depends on how resistant the mites are to fluvalinate. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "R.O." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Checkmite strips Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:48:37 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <37F79007.BF2DE01A@crosslink.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21394 L.E.G. wrote in message <37F79007.BF2DE01A@crosslink.net>... >Greetings >Does anyone have knowlege of the new Checkmite+ strips? Reason for the >question is, last week I purchased some I'd be interested in getting some. Where would I find them? RO Article 21395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More on GM crops Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <21034-37F826E7-59@storefull-105.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7t5v0o$dcs$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAx38PnxvVx9+KZ3qedEqG5wnmCjUCFFGdl6QJXcNtjcEdEzHjPc+5a2vd Content-Disposition: Inline Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.spies.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21395 NO, they are not becoming the good guys. They know they are loosing the battle in Great Britain and they are starting damage control in order to keep making MONEY! Article 21396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More on GM crops Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <7t5v0o$dcs$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 105 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:05:32 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.45 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 939013800 38.11.203.45 (Mon, 04 Oct 1999 01:10:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 01:10:00 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21396 Harry Goudie wrote to tell us about: >This seems quite a strange move by Mosanto and I am not quite > sure what to make of it. Could it be that they are becoming "Good Guys"! These are dark days Harry, Monsanto is not becoming the good guys, they are doing press releases to put a concerned "spin" on a flair up of public concern and unleash their campaign of disinformation. They are after all, an American corporation, who has 42 lobbyists in Washington. What this means, in case you don't know what lobbyists do in America, is that they are individuals who bribe selected members of congress (we have two houses of congress, the house and the senate) with gifts and more importantly, lots of money for their re-election campaign. As in all corrupt governments anywhere in the world, these activities are perfectly legal. As you have probably by now, smelled a rat, you would be right, monsanto, for these extensive bribes, costing millions of dollars, expect a much larger return, and they get it in the form of favorable laws, and regulations. FACT: (not an opinion) In 1992, when the FDA (Federal Drug Administration) wrote its policy on transgenic foods (GM crops to you Europeans) it ruled that consumer labeling and safety testing were un-needed unless the genetic modification altered the nutritional content or posed a known health risk. The policy was written by an FDA deputy commissioner who had worked for monsanto for seven years, and who does so again. FACT: Last year monsanto pressured the U.S. to threaten to cancel a trade agreement with New Zealand when the country said it would test and label transgenic food FACT: direct pressure from Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and four cabinet members persuaded France to import monsanto's corn. FACT: The U.S. plans to petition the World Trade Organization if Europe introduces a compulsory labeling system, saying it constitutes a non-tariff trade barrier. FACT: Monsanto hired a Bill Clinton pollster (Stan Greenberg) and launched a $1.6 milllion ad campaign entitled "Let the Harvest Begin" FACT: Monsanto who's chemical division used to manufacture virtually all the world's PCB's and Agent Orange (the Viet Nam defoliate) has now spun off that division and has, since 1996, spent $6 billion (a billion in America is a 1000 million) acquiring seed companies. FACT: Monsanto would have us all using their genetically modified and patented seeds that would produce plants that in turn produced seeds that would not germinate. This is called "Terminator Technology, a genetic alternation that causes seeds to die after a single season. This is an important goal of monsanto and they dream of being the only global supplier of a globally patented seed we all need; like a capitalist who dreams of slave labour. MY OPINION: Monsanto's only concern is to their stockholders, no one or anything else. They may say otherwise to the press or on those phoney television discussion shows, and have expensive full page ads in targeted magazines and newspapers, but what they do will only insure their stockholders the largest return on their investment. This is the way they do things here, (U.S.A.) and they will expect the same results (name any country) in your country. If they can't get the results they want in Britain, they will go to, (pick a poor country) say, Bangladesh, like they went to Mexico, where crops could be assured against insects by the reliable old insecticide, DDT. You remember DDT, it stays in the environment and gets in the food chain, ruins bird's egg shells and mother's milk. It featured big in Rachael Carlson's "Silent Spring" of the 1960's that had a lot to do with DDT eventual ban in the U.S.A. but not the rest of the world. They don't care, even though they say they do. Incidently, if you would like to read the whole gruesome article I've taken my monsanto facts from, please refer to a periodical called: HARPER'S magazine, April, 1999 The article is titled: "The Green Machine" and it's by Jennifer Kahn, a graduate journalism student at the University of California, Berkeley. Charles Kroeger - There is an Bio-industry backed disinformation campaign against organic. It's most vocal crusader, Dennis Avery, author of "Saving the Planet with Pesticides and Plastic," broadcasts the message that organic food is lethal and environmentally damaging, and that only pesticides and genetic engineering can deliver a safe and abundant food supply. Source: New York Times - Between 1988 and 1995, not one of the more than 65 bills introduced to strengthen federal pesticide regulations passed. source: League of Conservation Voters 1707 L Street, NW Suite 750 Washington, DC 20036 (202)785-8683 fax: (202)835-0491 email: lcv@lcv.org website: www.lcv.org Article 21397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: organic honey & road work Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Oct 1999 12:41:45 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991004084145.07385.00000866@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21397 The chemicals/oil or whatever it is they put on dusty gravel roads. I think the chemicals are used to keep the dust down and help the road. My question is could this process possibly effect the classification of organic honey ? Thanks Al Article 21398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tbasco111@aol.com (Tbasco111) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Oct 1999 14:35:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991004103544.15730.00000527@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21398 Just wondering the best way to get started ,Any ideas? Article 21399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19991004103544.15730.00000527@ng-fb1.aol.com> Subject: Re: beekeeping Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:10:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 939049826 204.186.180.164 (Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:10:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:10:26 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21399 >Just wondering the best way to get started ,Any ideas? Your best bet is to start learning all you can over the winter, then start your bees in the spring. We have some great beginner videos you can view, as well as a beginners kit, and you can call us and ask for advice anytime, that's what we're here for. www.draperbee.com 800-233-4273 Article 21400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.isc.org!news.gnac.net!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!news.ums.edu!haven.umd.edu!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:54:25 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 21 Message-ID: <37F8BFA1.398C74E4@bms.com> References: <37F4C22A.6A67F7B4@bms.com> <19991001210031.04652.00000589@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.99 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21400 I didn't mean to offend anyone with my views of evolution. Just for the record, I believe in God's creations and absolutely love Jesus! :) I also believe that God is the divine force behind evolution; the energy to make it all happen if you will. I believe that the two views (evolution and creationism) can exist together. Just look at Genesis and the order that God created the heavens, earth, and ultimately man, certainly parallel to that which Darwin proposes. Jesse --without the birds and bees, none of us would exist-- Hk1BeeMan wrote: > >Its purely evolution. I would imagine that since the beginning of time, > >there have been many queens that have created workers that made less > >efficient, non-hexagonal comb. > > Oh go eat a duck ! > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Oct 1999 15:16:33 GMT References: <7t5gdi$rn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991004111633.16011.00000761@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21401 I uncovered a few other interesting facts/comments The hexagonal shape of the comb has 6 sides the same number as feet on a bee. If you use the premise that bees wanted to design a home that the walls of the comb were contigious to one another. They may have wanted this for economical use of material and they did not want foreign substance to get between the walls and invade the cells of the comb. The choices of the bee are square, triangle and the most efficient hexagon. (Although at this point I don't know why it would take a 19 page proof and time since the 4th century to prove this). Bee have been described as having divine sense of symmetry and that is why they chose the regular shape like the hexagon Al Article 21402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19991004084145.07385.00000866@ngol03.aol.com> Subject: Re: organic honey & road work Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:22:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 939050550 204.186.180.164 (Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:22:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:22:30 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21402 In my opinion, it is not possible to have totally "organic" anything, due to the fact that chemicals used long ago are still present in the soil and are absorbed into the plants. We also have to think about acid rain and air pollution. Even if it were possible to grow organically you can not tell the honeybee which flower to work and which to pass by! Jajwuth wrote in message <19991004084145.07385.00000866@ngol03.aol.com>... >The chemicals/oil or whatever it is they put on dusty gravel roads. I think the >chemicals are used to keep the dust down and help the road. > >My question is could this process possibly effect the classification of organic >honey ? > >Thanks >Al Article 21403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: toonamatic@aol.com (Toonamatic) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Checkmite strips Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Oct 1999 15:31:32 GMT References: <37F79007.BF2DE01A@crosslink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991004113132.07519.00000002@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21403 What is the active ingredient in checkmite? Article 21404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37F79007.BF2DE01A@crosslink.net> <19991004113132.07519.00000002@ng-cg1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Checkmite strips Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <814K3.4010$JM3.164657@nnrp1.ptd.net> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:50:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 939052228 204.186.180.164 (Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:50:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:50:28 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21404 Toonamatic wrote in message <19991004113132.07519.00000002@ng-cg1.aol.com>... >What is the active ingredient in checkmite? Chumphos, I not sure if the spelling is correct. Article 21405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: making your own hives Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Oct 1999 17:26:05 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991004132605.07385.00000892@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21405 I was at the health food store looking at the honey for sale. One brand of honey gave a spiel about the beekeeper. It said they make their own hives. I was wondering why this is mentioned to help market their honey. Does it say something about them as beekeepers? Making your own hives would not have any effect on the products of the hive or would it?. Al Article 21406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!news-out.digex.net.MISMATCH!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: making your own hives Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:17:06 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 18 Message-ID: <37F8FD32.F2C4F714@bms.com> References: <19991004132605.07385.00000892@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.99 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21406 Doesn't everyone make their own hives to some extent or another? I made my own hives by buying the pre-cut wood and nailing and gluing together. Seems as though that spiel might bee a little misleading to the consumer. But I guess everyone has to find their niche. Maybe mine should be "Honey made by Virgin Bees" :) How's that for Immaculate Deception? Jesse --without the birds and bees, none of us would exist-- Jajwuth wrote: > I was at the health food store looking at the honey for sale. One brand of > honey gave a spiel about the beekeeper. It said they make their own hives. > I was wondering why this is mentioned to help market their honey. Does it say > something about them as beekeepers? Making your own hives would not have any > effect on the products of the hive or would it?. > Al Article 21407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: making your own hives Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:29:34 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <37F90E2E.815@midwest.net> References: <19991004132605.07385.00000892@ngol03.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21407 Jajwuth wrote: > > I was at the health food store looking at the honey for sale. One brand of > honey gave a spiel about the beekeeper. It said they make their own hives. > I was wondering why this is mentioned to help market their honey. Does it say > something about them as beekeepers? Making your own hives would not have any > effect on the products of the hive or would it?. No. AL Article 21408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Alex Coomes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with extracted frames? Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:41:00 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7tb3dd$c1c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> References: <37F36428.A24D3C55@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host5-171-227-246.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21408 Once I have extracted the honey from my combs I too place the combs back on the hive - at the top of the hive separated by a crown board. After a few days (depending on how many supers there are and what the weather is doing ) We do not want the bees to start filling the combs up again!. I remove the cleaned up combs and store them in a cool, dark, dry cupboard with a few moth ball crystals to protect against the dreaded moth. I keep a sheet of newspaper below each super and another on top of each box to help retain the moth crystal vapours. I also use this time of year to look at any supers that have been on the hive and either repair and treat with cuprinol or chop up for firewood if beyond repair. - It is worth the effort for next year as it takes a great deal of energy for bees to make wax and draw out foundation. I reckon a well kept comb will last 4 to 5 seasons if treated correctly. The bees are better employed expending their energies collecting nectar and pollen for us to harvest !! Regards Alex Coomes Jesse Hunter wrote in message news:37F36428.A24D3C55@bms.com... > I just extracted for the first time last night. For all who have > posted advise on removing caps and ultimately getting the honey > into pails, Thank you! That part of the process, though > extremely messy, went very well. My question now is what to do > with the supers, extracted frames and comb. Does this comb get > given back to the hives next year? or do I melt it down? I had > read somewhere of leaving the empty supers with frames on the > hives above the top board and below the top. Is this advisable. > I live in a fairly harsh winter climate, Syracuse, NY. I > appreciate any insights. > > > Article 21409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!dialup409.tnnas2.usit.net!user From: c@u.net (C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My hive is fading away Message-ID: Lines: 18 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 20:49:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.154.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 939070193 216.80.154.159 (Mon, 04 Oct 1999 16:49:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 16:49:53 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21409 I have a hive (new to this bee game) and the hive swarmed leaving me without a queen but sitll with some bees. The remaning bees started a queen cell but it did not hatch (has been about 6 weeks). My population is dying out and I haven't been able to find any replacement bees to build up the hive. I did locate a queen but did not order her because I felt it would be useless with out the bees to build up the hive for her to survive. Any help or sugestions where I can get some Itilian bees quickly......... I am located in Tennessee.. Thanks for any help Charles Bogus address above / usable e-mail address cpierce@usit.net Article 21410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37F91377.9C31BBF2@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage: http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping References: <19991004103544.15730.00000527@ng-fb1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 20:50:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.124 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 939070216 206.172.183.124 (Mon, 04 Oct 1999 16:50:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 16:50:16 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21410 Check out my homepage. I have some tips on getting started. http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road Allen B Tbasco111 wrote: > Just wondering the best way to get started ,Any ideas? Article 21411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping videos Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Oct 1999 22:19:11 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991004181911.15030.00000475@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21411 > We have some great beginner videos you can view, as howdy ya'll I'm earnestly wondering if you'd consider donating a video or two down this way. I go into the local schools and do presentations to 1-4 grades on beekeeping. It's voluntary on my part and i can't really afford it but the kids love it. We use the magic school bus video that a parent donated and a observation hive built by a local fellow with glass donated by a glass store. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 22:19:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7tb95p$o3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7t5gdi$rn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19991004111633.16011.00000761@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.26 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Oct 04 22:19:49 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.26 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21412 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > If you use the premise that bees wanted to design a home [...] > They may have wanted this for economical use of material [...] > The choices of the bee are square, triangle and [...] hexagon.[...] > Bee have been described as having divine sense of symmetry and > that is why they chose the regular shape like the hexagon Al, why do you insist that bees WANTED or CHOSE the design of their cells. Whether you believe that God snapped his fingers, so to speak, and suddenly nature came into being and was already then what it is now, or that God set things in motion and nature emerged in its ever changing form on its own according to the rules God set at the first moment, or that absent an unmoved mover nature emerged and is continuing to emerge and adapt, where does this assignment of consciousness to bees come from? And, I regret to say, the final sentence is absolutely and totally illogical even if bees were self-conscious beings with brains capable of complex analysis. I paraphrase your statement (the one written, since I can only guess what you were thinking): the bees made their choice because they have been described as having a certain quality. Indeed! They knew we would talk about them and what we would say long before we had discovered them and their wonders, and knowing we would discovers the wonders of their comb, they went about making it for us to discover. I regret that I do not share your sense of human importance in the evolution of the species and their behavior. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: folks new to beekeeping Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Oct 1999 22:31:57 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991004183157.15030.00000479@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21413 Hi gang, sure do love helping folks and answering questions and as we near the end of the season .I got some good advice for some of ya. It's obvious that a few folks have decided to learn about beekeeping the hard way.Some of the recent posts reflect this very much Not knowing about check mite strips what to do with empty extracted supers hives strangely dying out mites foul brood wax worms Now all of the above could easily been handled by any of you if you had started out by reading up on the subject before starting out blind. Most of you have learned by loosing your hives or by having them go into the winter weak. Now would be a good time to go to your library and research the mistakes made this year, Then any of us on the newsgroup can clear up any questions you might have beyond the reading. About once a year I post my phone number ( yeah i know it could be a stuypid idea) and during the year we usually get calls for help. Those of you that called this year know I love to chat bout beekeeping and help all i can. So here's this years post 910-814-0540 Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 22:36:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7tba61$ouq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37F4C22A.6A67F7B4@bms.com> <19991001210031.04652.00000589@ng-da1.aol.com> <37F8BFA1.398C74E4@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.26 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Oct 04 22:36:50 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.26 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21414 Jesse Hunter wrote: > I didn't mean to offend anyone with my views of evolution. Provided you are not rude (you certainly weren't), there is no reason for anyone to take offense when you state your view of things. (Even if you had been rude, only the rudeness and not the opinion can legitimately be considered offensive.) People who do take offense when someone says they believe something different than the hearer are implying that only they have the right to have an opinion. Everyone else, then, the implication continues, has the duty just to agree. But it doesn't work that way. The fundamentalist most literal in his or her interpretation of origins and Biblical events has a precisely equal right to state that view as does the person who believes absolutely none of what the Bible has to say to state his view. So we disagree. So we argue what we see as the relative merits and demerits of our various positions. Offense is only legitimately taken in response to the person who aims not to discuss an issue (or even just state one's view of an issue with no interest in discussion) but to abuse an individual. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Checkmite strips Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 21:55:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7tb7o1$n40$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37F79007.BF2DE01A@crosslink.net> <19991004113132.07519.00000002@ng-cg1.aol.com> <814K3.4010$JM3.164657@nnrp1.ptd.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Oct 04 21:55:19 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x41.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21415 In article <814K3.4010$JM3.164657@nnrp1.ptd.net>, "Royal Draper" wrote: > > Toonamatic wrote in message > <19991004113132.07519.00000002@ng-cg1.aol.com>... > >What is the active ingredient in checkmite? > > Chumphos, I not sure if the spelling is correct. > > coumaphos Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MENTHOL Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 19:23:51 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <37F93707.62FF5514@fuse.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21416 We had one of our beekeepers comment at our last meeting about the menthol. She stated: She laid the menthol on top of the top bars of the first brood box. (Starting counting from the bottom board) Figured she would split the effect between the 2 brood boxes. Next day, temperature averaged 70 degrees F. When she got home from work, there were dead bees in front of the hive and most of the rest of the bees were hanging on the front of the hive. There were only a few bees in the hive. Her queen is unmarked, so she wasn't sure where the queen was. So she removed the menthol. Her discussion led others to state they wouldn't use the menthol. I have concerns about the tracheal mite. I know the crisco patties help to control them but they do not get rid of them. Any ideas on what happened with her menthol? She said she put it on her 5 hives, and only one did this. I'm thinking something else happened. But what? And why the timing? Thanks for any help. Judy in Kentucky, USA Article 21417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Test Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:33:04 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7tbd4q$i3i$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.0d.72 X-Server-Date: 4 Oct 1999 23:27:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21417 Test Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... 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Article 21418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Oct 1999 00:43:46 GMT References: <7tb95p$o3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991004204346.15065.00000797@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21418 paul writes: >Al, why do you insist that bees WANTED or CHOSE the design of their >cells. You seem to be very analytical. You lost me a bit in what your saying. Maybe to say wanted or chose does not exactly describe correctly the evolutionary process. I'm sure not going to say that some brainless little insect wound up with a hexagonal comb that just happened to be proven to be mathematically to be the most efficient in design. It could equally be said that the forces of nature caused people to make hurricane and earthquake proof dwellings. Did they choose or want them as a matter of survival. I think it is good to ascribe higher qualities to bees since it makes the products of the hive to be of more valued. Give the bees some credit for their comb whoever designed it. Al Article 21419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: "Jason Wilson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: My hive is fading away Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <1UbK3.708$4f5.225450@news1.usit.net> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 00:46:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.180.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 939084413 216.80.180.228 (Mon, 04 Oct 1999 20:46:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 20:46:53 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21419 Where are you at in TN? C wrote in message ... >I am located in Tennessee.. > >Thanks for any help > >Charles > > >Bogus address above / usable e-mail address cpierce@usit.net Article 21420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: folks new to beekeeping Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:40:13 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7tbl41$a6s$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <19991004183157.15030.00000479@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.105.226 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 939087809 10460 12.73.105.226 (5 Oct 1999 01:43:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Oct 1999 01:43:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21420 edit >Now all of the above could easily been handled by any of you if you had started >out by reading up on the subject before starting out blind. >Most of you have learned by loosing your hives or by having them go into the >winter weak. >Now would be a good time to go to your library and research the mistakes made >this year, Then any of us on the newsgroup can clear up any questions you might >have beyond the reading. edit Excellent suggestion! If I might add, a good starter book is entitled "The Beekeeper's Handbook" by Diana Sammataro and Alphonse Avitabile. It has good narratives, descriptions, drawings and an excellent bibliography. Not cheap at $26 but you should be able to find it in your local library. I also suggest that folks new to beekeeping seek out your local beekeeping association, club, etc. if there is one in your area. Try your local agricultural extension service for help in finding them. We have a strong (70+ active members) association here in the greater Tacoma, WA area. The membership is a mixture of commerical, part-timer and hobbyist beekeepers who are willing to share their experiences. We meet formally once per month and often have demonstrations or hands-on workshops in bee yards. I have learned a lot at these meetings but more from my association with the commericial and master beekeepers. Tonight we have a presentation on Apimondia. We helped (financially) send our association secretary who in return will give this presentation. H. Bowles Article 21421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My hive is fading away Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 21:45:15 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <37F9582B.67098AA2@kingston.net> References: Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21421 Hi Charles, It has always been my understanding that bees will swarm when the cells have been capped. There must have been swarm cells in the hive??? You mentioned that they were building them after the swarm??? You should see evidence of a queen about 2-3 weeks after a swarm. Since I am not familiar with your climate in Tennessee at this time of year it is difficult to give a specific suggestion. If there is still some honey flows and ample time before cold weather then get a new queen and reduce your hive to 1 box with the entrance reduced. I'm assuming from your post that you have checked for a queen and have found none and no eggs after 6 weeks. You could also feed them. If there isn't much time left I wouldn't buy bees because you might not be able to get them enough food for the winter. If your short on time but there is a good supply of honey then try buying a package and uniting it with the remaining bees. Best of luck. Kent Article 21422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!news.psd.k12.co.us!newsfeed.frii.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nuq-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990927075654.08458.00000808@ngol05.aol.com> <7t075a$4cr@news1.snet.net> Subject: Re: Africanized bees Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:53:40 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 939102708 209.90.4.83 (Tue, 05 Oct 1999 00:51:48 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 00:51:48 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21422 > >instead of Apis mellifera scutellata (AHB). Was it a single large comb in > >the open? If so they get a few stings but nothing like what they would get > >from a real Africanized Honey Bee colony > > I'm not sure - it was on the Discovery Channel, it was Africa, they were, They were Ashwan Bees (or something like that) They are a VERY large breed of bee. About 3 times the normal size, with a stinger about 3 times as large as well as venom several times more potent than anormal honey bee. They are NOT the africanized honey bee AHB, though. John Article 21423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren