Article 30897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Sep 2001 16:14:46 GMT References: <9mo5a2$3cnjk$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Message-ID: <20010901121446.13049.00002447@mb-dd.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30897 Emest W Jennings Died of a Heart attack He had a enlarged heart an gerneralized cardiovascular desease. You can all read it at (www.ctnow.com) ...... Article 30898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Sep 2001 16:16:10 GMT References: <794ccde.0108270638.2b5bc21e@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Message-ID: <20010901121610.13049.00002448@mb-dd.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30898 Emest E Jennings died form a heart attack. You can read the artical at www.ctnow.com Article 30900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fact Sheet About Bee Stings From: Allen Dick Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.06.22 Lines: 21 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 19:23:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.184 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 999372219 198.161.229.184 (Sat, 01 Sep 2001 13:23:39 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 13:23:39 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30900 Something we are now realising -- after several good workers suddenly quit after visiting doctors -- is that people are concerned and ignorant about the normal progression of reactions to bee stings. When they start to react, some go to local doctors and get told they are allergic. Of course they believe the doctor, even if the average GP (and some allergists) know little about normal reactions to stings. I'm working on a page to hand to new employees, neighbours, and doctors, etc. so that they are not taken by surprise when they people to swell after having initially had very little reaction. The page I'm building is at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/stings.htm I'd also like to know any good bee sting URLs beyond what I have found and listed there. I'd appreciate constructive comments and criticisms, and of course, when finished the sheet is free for all to share and distribute. allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 30901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ben Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <794ccde.0108270638.2b5bc21e@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 20:19:12 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.8.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 999371954 62.252.8.19 (Sat, 01 Sep 2001 20:19:14 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 20:19:14 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30901 "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:mminot8v0t7lica8b9gvqhuvq5ie77c1pa@4ax.com... > Point is, no beekeepers should mess with a 'swarm' of bees (well the > newspaper did say 'swarm') without being well protected. I believe > gone are the days when old Clem the mild mannered beekeeper takes a > swarm out of a tree with nothing more than a cardboard box. Not so in the UK, I still take swarms most years (when our summers are warm enough for the bees to swarm !!!!) with just a simple veil thrown over my head and a cardboard box (and an old sheet to tie round the box once the swarm is in), often I do not even need the veil. I cannot remember the last time a bee from a swarm stung me. Ben. Article 30902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.online.be!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 09:46:30 -0400 Lines: 55 Message-ID: <9mtdf9$4465c$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: <20010831082815.13084.00000320@mb-bg.aol.com> <9mo5a2$3cnjk$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 999438634 4331692 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30902 I wonder how he got 30 stings on his face, when he supposedly had his full suit and veil on? "BeeFarmer" wrote in message news:9mo5a2$3cnjk$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > The comments below confused me! > Jennings had been working with his bees around 11:30 a.m. Sunday when they > attacked. He had on his protective suit and a "smoker" used to subdue the > bees, but the attack was apparently so massive and aggressive that Jennings > was overwhelmed. > > He tried to escape in his pickup truck to his home a quarter-mile away, but > the bees followed. His wife, who has allergic reactions to bee stings, > attempted unsuccessfully to use a garden hose and insecticides to disperse > the swarm. > > > -- > BeeFarmer > Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > "BeeCrofter" wrote in message > news:20010831082815.13084.00000320@mb-bg.aol.com... > > Well the latest report in the local paper said the bees did not have the > > physical characteristics of AHB . > > Are morphometrics just snake oil ? > > And they await the results of a DNA analysis. > > Toxicology reports are not out nor is a count of the stings.. > > A neighbor is claiming to have seen a swarm take over the hive involved in > the > > attack. > > You can read the article in todays paper at www.theday.com scroll down to > the > > region section on the opening page. > > The big question I have right now involves whether the physical > characteristics > > of a honeybee tell you anything at all about AHB or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 30903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!134.222.94.247.MISMATCH!npeer.kpnqwest.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Sep 2001 14:17:01 GMT References: <9mtdf9$4465c$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Message-ID: <20010902101701.13025.00000703@mb-bg.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30903 >I wonder how he got 30 stings on his face, when he supposedly had his full >suit and veil on? > > Lay on the ground having a heart attack and see if the veil affords full coverage. Where the veil touches your face the bees have no problem at all stinging. Article 30904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Taylor Francis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: For Scott Moser Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 12:42:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B926F6F.C3EED305@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30904 Scott, I recently lost all my old e-mail (including your address). Earlier this year, you sent me a recipe for candy to put on a bee hive through the winter. Would you please send the recipe again? thanks, Taylor Article 30905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "Angela & Keith Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen supplier website Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 23:39:29 -0400 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9mutti$55q$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbgQ93xr1lf7DvP0N8+qpk2NZpA5pXApDe3K1TR3CVKxzH0JY6KmOk5 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Sep 2001 03:37:22 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30905 Folks, A few months ago I stumbled across a site that listed a bunch of queen suppliers broken down by state. I could have sworn I bookmarked it, but now can't find it. Does anyone have any idea what I am refering to, or did something funny get slipped in my smoker that day? Keith Article 30906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Antique honey extractor for sale Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:13:56 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 5 Message-ID: <9mv0er$pk8$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.05.c8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 3 Sep 2001 04:20:43 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30906 1935 Superior Lifetime 8 frame reversible. Big. With motor, ran fine ten years ago, extracted many tons of honey on it for years.stored indoors. Near San Francisco. Stand even. Article 30907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!news.cc.tut.fi!uutiset.saunalahti.fi!not-for-mail From: "deded@eded.df" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feral Hive Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:16:54 +0300 Organization: SAUNALAHDEN asiakas Lines: 9 Message-ID: <9n0of3$iil$1@tron.sci.fi> References: <3b5f5478.92429342@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: rhols22.adsl.netsonic.fi X-Trace: tron.sci.fi 999548195 19029 194.29.198.22 (3 Sep 2001 20:16:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@saunalahti.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Sep 2001 20:16:35 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2505.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2505.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30907 "loot" wrote in message news:3b5f5478.92429342@news... > I'm going to attempt to pull a feral hive from a rotting down shed > this weekend. I'll be using my trusty new homemade bee-vac. I live > in the Deep South. I'm also open to suggestions. Thanks. > > Will Article 30908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: DRHelmick2@webtv.net (Rose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fact Sheet About Bee Stings Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 48 Message-ID: <18307-3B93FD30-78@storefull-241.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQBpbTH4y4X7W4g9tkjHAzEF4s5IAIUWyRLzJH9tfduDG7fgYqlE9D8csA= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30908 I enjoy your web site very much and this fact sheet is a wonderful addition. We had an experience several years ago that gave me a quick lesson the difference between being allergic and having a reaction and if you will bear with me, I'd like to share it with you. Back before I learned everything there is to know about beekeeping (^: , all I really knew was that if you weren't wearing shoes and stepped on a honey bee, you would be stung and it would hurt. My daughter was was always getting stung because she hated shoes. She missed a lot of school in her early years because her swollen foot would not fit her shoe. She'd been stung on the face a few times that always caused at least one eye to swell shut (there were a lot of bees back then.) I also knew that you should not step on honey bees because they made honey. I had no idea where or how but somewhere along the line, that bit of knowledge was passed on to me and I passed it on to my children. I will also note that I called them honey bees to differentiate between them and all the other stinging insects that I believed were different kinds of bees. I might add that most people I know believe the same thing and it is near impossible to get anyone to believe any differently. Anyway, several years ago this same daughter, at the tender age of sixteen, stepped on a dead yellow jacket that resulted in a life-threatening allergic reaction. Her first sign of trouble was when hives began to appear on her abdomen and back. This required a trip to the ER and the aid of a team or doctors and nurses to get her irregular heartbeat and breathing difficulties under control not to mention the severe overall itching and pain. To make a long story short she was fine within the hour and left the hospital with an order for an anaphalactic injection kit. She was also advised that if she was every stung again to get to the hospital ASAP because once you have a reaction the next one could be fatal. A couple of years later (while there were still bees in the yard) she was stung again when she stepped one. Needless to say, she was horrified. But guess what, she did not have any reaction at all other than the pain and swelling at the site of the sting. She's been stung by bees since and always with the same results. I am making an assumption here that she is not allergic to bee stings. She hasn't been stung by a yellow jacket or wasp since, but I can only assume that she will have the same allergic reaction if she ever is and have strongly advised her to get (and carry at all times) a new EPI pen every year just in case. Article 30909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.tn.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Wayne Hunsucker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Fall feeding Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 00:43:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.17.209.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.tn.home.com 999564187 24.17.209.35 (Mon, 03 Sep 2001 17:43:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 17:43:07 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30909 I hope you try to save the hive. If you're sure the queen is right (you find eggs, larvae, and a decent pattern), it would be great to try to save them. You're talking not very much money for the cost of sugar. Have you considered requeening and giving them a couple of frames from other hives, assuming you have that resource? "Darrell Gehlsen" wrote in message news:3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I have a weak hive (it was a small swarm and it rained > during every blossom). It has almost no stores. Can I save > it by feeding or should I just get new bees next spring. > If feeding, should I use corn syrup or cane sugar and at > what mix? > > -- > Darrell > > http://www.machinemaster.com > > > > Article 30910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.tn.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Wayne Hunsucker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9mv0er$pk8$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: Antique honey extractor for sale Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 18:26:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.17.209.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.tn.home.com 999541580 24.17.209.35 (Mon, 03 Sep 2001 11:26:20 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 11:26:20 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30910 What are you asking for the extractor? Sounds like such a great find for someone. "Oliver Frank" wrote in message news:9mv0er$pk8$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net... > 1935 Superior Lifetime 8 frame reversible. Big. > With motor, ran fine ten years ago, extracted many tons of honey on it > for years.stored indoors. > Near San Francisco. Stand even. > Article 30911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.tn.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Wayne Hunsucker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Software for Beekeeping Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 18:28:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.17.209.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.tn.home.com 999541704 24.17.209.35 (Mon, 03 Sep 2001 11:28:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 11:28:24 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30911 I'm searching for good software for managing my hives. I've looked at little at Beekeeper 2.0 and the another from an author in Sweden, but his flora list isn't going to do a Georgia beekeeper in the USA any good. Any ideas? Article 30912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-3.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: allen dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fact Sheet About Bee Stings Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 10:56:55 GMT Lines: 53 Message-ID: <1103_999601015@allen> References: <18307-3B93FD30-78@storefull-241.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-3.internode.net (198.161.229.179) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 999601003 5093472 198.161.229.179 (16 [58605]) User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows ME) Opera 5.12 [en] Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30912 > A couple of years later (while there were still bees in the yard) she > was stung again when she stepped one. ...she did not have any > reaction at all other... She's been stung > by bees since and always with the same results. > > I am making an assumption here that she is not allergic to bee stings. At the bottom of my page at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ , I list a link to Tom Sanford's page on the same subject at http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis87/apjul87.htm Tom's page, as always is very factual and well written, but is is a bit technical for the average reader, Nonetheless it is very illuminating, especially in light of a recent beekeeper death discussed here in the past week. I'll quote a small part here: --- begin quote --- Multiple causes of bee sting deaths are the rule, rather than simply anaphylaxis, according to Dr. Rubenstein. Other potential complications besides atherosclerosis include sepsis, cerebral oedema, defibrination syndrome, haemorrhages, emboli and neuroencephalomyelitis variants. The fact that 90% of those who die after a bee sting are over 25, whereas most who sustain allergic reactions are children argues strongly against allergy. Only 12% adults in one set of necropsy findings died of anaphylaxis, 20% had severe and 42% mild atherosclerosis and about one-third had pulmonary oedema. Fright cannot be ruled out, Dr. Rubenstein said, nor can very warm environmental temperature. As he stated: "One may readily see how (1) a hot summer day, plus (2) strenuous exercise, plus (3) coronary atherosclerosis, plus (4) a bee may add up to death, whether or not one invokes an allergic mechanism..." Finally, there is a lack of detailed epidemiological study on systemic reactions, according to Dr. Rubenstein. Often cited studies showed that systemic reactions to bee stings were rather frequent, benign and self- limiting, with a prevalence in the U.S. of 0.4% to 0.8%. The authors of two studies of 8000 boy scouts which produced the above figures found no reason for alarm and did not call the reactions they witnessed either life- threatening or anaphylactic. Another study revealed that prevalence of sustained systemic reactions was no greater in an allergic population than the population at large, again not referring to the those experienced as life- threatening or anaphylactic, and further arguing against an allergic basis. In two more studies where where the combined number of systemic reactions reached over 700, no deaths were reported... ---end quote--- This flies in the face of conventional thought -- both medical and lay -- on bee sting allergies. allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 30913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B8BF19D.BEF0C42@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: Honey at the County Fair Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:51:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.224.190.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 999611491 65.224.190.102 (Tue, 04 Sep 2001 06:51:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 06:51:31 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 06:48:42 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30913 Congratulations on your Blue Ribbon! Hmmmm - how to thank the bees - seems to me - some nice lavender plants will do the trick??? Lucy "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3B8BF19D.BEF0C42@atlas.localdomain... > This year I didn't get much honey, but it is good. Today, I received a > Blue Ribbon on my amber honey at the county fair here in western North > Carolina. Now, how can I thank those bees? > -- > Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the > louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. > | -- Benjamin Franklin > Article 30914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Fact Sheet About Bee Stings Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:00:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.224.190.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 999612025 65.224.190.102 (Tue, 04 Sep 2001 07:00:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 07:00:25 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 06:57:35 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30914 Very Nice article! It's incredible when people hear you are a beekeeper - 9 times out of 10 the response is "Oh, i'm allergic to bees." Ouch that stings everytime i hear it! Is there a webpage or book available to the public - showing a Yellow Jacket, a Wasp, a bumble bee and a honey bee - in full color? Comparisons? I would appreciate any input! Thank you! Lucy lucychic@earthlink.net "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:Xns910F889B21C2Aallendinternodenet@198.161.156.10... > Something we are now realising -- after several good workers suddenly quit > after visiting doctors -- is that people are concerned and ignorant about > the normal progression of reactions to bee stings. When they start to > react, some go to local doctors and get told they are allergic. Of course > they believe the doctor, even if the average GP (and some allergists) know > little about normal reactions to stings. > > I'm working on a page to hand to new employees, neighbours, and doctors, > etc. so that they are not taken by surprise when they people to swell after > having initially had very little reaction. > > The page I'm building is at > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/stings.htm > > I'd also like to know any good bee sting URLs beyond what I have found and > listed there. I'd appreciate constructive comments and criticisms, and of > course, when finished the sheet is free for all to share and distribute. > > allen > > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ > Article 30915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: "Steven D. Hagerty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarming???? Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:02:14 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9n2qaj01frj@enews2.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-221.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30915 Have a question folks.. Something I observed from one of my hives yesterday. I have started feeding them, to try to get their honey stores up, they still have plenty of room in the hive. I noticed what looked to be a swarm going on.... The loud buzzing.... and they went to the top of a tree (about 35 feet in the air) I couldn't figure a way to get them down. It looked to be a rather large swarm. I tried to put a swarm trap out, to encourage the swarm to go there... also another brood chamber and bottom board near the hive. I noticed this hive went through a quart of sugar water in about 5 hours. After sitting in this tree for about 4 hours... they decided to go back into the hive they came from. What might explain this? Did the queen fly out to mate? It boggles my mind, so if anyone ever has experienced this, please let me know. Thank you Steve Article 30916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Darrell Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Fall feeding Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 16:39:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.236.25 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 999621545 168.191.236.25 (Tue, 04 Sep 2001 09:39:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 09:39:05 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 09:36:15 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30916 It is my only hive. I captured a swarm late spring. The hive has built up to filling one hive body. Last week I took the top hive box off because it was completely empty. I put a board with a hole that fits a jar lid on top of the single brood box and am feeding sugar. I have an empty super box with a lid covering the sugar water jar. I fill the jar half full of sugar and then fill the jar with hot water to dissolve the sugar. Am I close to the right mix? -- Darrell http://www.machinemaster.com "Wayne Hunsucker" wrote in message news:vsVk7.153474$k7.38395431@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com... > I hope you try to save the hive. If you're sure the queen is right (you > find eggs, larvae, and a decent pattern), it would be great to try to save > them. You're talking not very much money for the cost of sugar. > > Have you considered requeening and giving them a couple of frames from other > hives, assuming you have that resource? > > "Darrell Gehlsen" wrote in message > news:3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net. .. > > I have a weak hive (it was a small swarm and it rained > > during every blossom). It has almost no stores. Can I save > > it by feeding or should I just get new bees next spring. > > If feeding, should I use corn syrup or cane sugar and at > > what mix? > > > > -- > > Darrell > > > > http://www.machinemaster.com > > > > > > > > > > > Article 30917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Sep 2001 18:31:46 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Fall feeding Message-ID: <20010904143146.14005.00002023@mb-cl.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30917 5lbs of sugar in a gallon jar plus hot water makes spring feed, Come fall you want as much as will dissolve in boiling water about 9 or 10 lbs plus water . Article 30918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: glenn.west@eds.com (Glenn West) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen supplier website Date: 4 Sep 2001 12:48:32 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <68065404.0109041148.31f68df8@posting.google.com> References: <9mutti$55q$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999632913 27615 127.0.0.1 (4 Sep 2001 19:48:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Sep 2001 19:48:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30918 "Angela & Keith Copi" wrote in message news:<9mutti$55q$1@bob.news.rcn.net>... > Folks, > > A few months ago I stumbled across a site that listed a bunch of queen > suppliers broken down by state. I could have sworn I bookmarked it, but now > can't find it. Does anyone have any idea what I am refering to, or did > something funny get slipped in my smoker that day? > > Keith Here's one place ---> http://www.beesource.com/suppliers/index.htm Article 30919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!typhoon2.gnilink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B95745D.CB6E9524@mail.verizon.net> From: "George T. Comeau" Reply-To: gcomeau@suffolk.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarming???? References: <9n2qaj01frj@enews2.newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:37:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.154.16.217 X-Complaints-To: business-support@verizon.com X-Trace: typhoon2.gnilink.net 999650230 141.154.16.217 (Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:37:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:37:10 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30919 I have heard that at this time of year the drones are beginning to be kicked out of the hive. I have noticed several days of active drones just dive bombing the entrance and being kicked out agian within a few moments. Sometimes the drones hang out together close to the hive in a rather large group. Maybe this is what is going on. "Steven D. Hagerty" wrote: > Have a question folks.. Something I observed from one of my hives > yesterday. I have started feeding them, to try to get their honey stores > up, they still have plenty of room in the hive. I noticed what looked to be > a swarm going on.... The loud buzzing.... and they went to the top of a tree > (about 35 feet in the air) I couldn't figure a way to get them down. It > looked to be a rather large swarm. I tried to put a swarm trap out, to > encourage the swarm to go there... also another brood chamber and bottom > board near the hive. I noticed this hive went through a quart of sugar > water in about 5 hours. After sitting in this tree for about 4 hours... > they decided to go back into the hive they came from. What might explain > this? Did the queen fly out to mate? It boggles my mind, so if anyone ever > has experienced this, please let me know. > Thank you > Steve Article 30920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Antique honey extractor for sale Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:01:05 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 2 Message-ID: <9n48er$ni8$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> References: <9mv0er$pk8$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.d8.20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 5 Sep 2001 04:07:55 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30920 Don't know what it's worth. Will entertain any offer. Article 30921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3B95AC0C.972A4D01@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: Fall feeding Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:20:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 999696040 66.31.162.165 (Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:20:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:20:40 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30921 > Darrell Gehlsen wrote: > > > > It is my only hive. I captured a swarm late spring. The hive > > has built up to filling one hive body. Last week I took the > > top hive box off because it was completely empty. I put a > > board with a hole that fits a jar lid on top of the single > > brood box and am feeding sugar. I have an empty super box > > with a lid covering the sugar water jar. I fill the jar half > > full of sugar and then fill the jar with hot water to > > dissolve the sugar. Am I close to the right mix? I use the 5lb bag in a gal jug and fill with hot water for 1:1, which is probably ok for now (though I don't recall where you live... here in Massachusetts, it's ok for a bit more). I've got a whole 3 seasons experience, so temper this advice with that... I would put the other brood box back on, and move one or two brood frames from the first box up into the second to encourage the bees to work up there, and feed, feed, feed. Whatever they can draw out and store honey in for the winter will only help them. When it starts getting colder (daytime 60s) then thicken the syrup up (2:1), but keep feeding as long as the bees can keep flying, at least. -Steve Article 30922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What should I do without You :-) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:27:09 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3b963383$0$254$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.103 X-Trace: 999699331 dread02.news.tele.dk 254 195.249.242.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30922 A big thank you to Waine Hunsucker because he pointed me in some directions of errors, related to the non queenbreader mode that prevented a new hive to be entered. So here goes : new software uploaded at the web http://apimo.dk update is located at http://apimo.dk/programs/bidata_up.zip A real expansion to the software is coming up. This combines Bidata with a real accounting software with accounts, items, invoices , currency, budgets and a lot more. I am now working on the items part to make it also a stock item with stock prices and sale prices all together a professional business accounting solution. If you want to have a look at this solution take down the big package and the Update called : http://apimo.dk/programs/bidata_account.zip You will need a password for both update archives but you will obtain this for free if you just e-mail me at password@apimo.dk -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 04-09-2001 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 30923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B95AC0C.972A4D01@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall feeding References: <3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 66 X-Trace: +Lz3Y4DiPdYKI9TVHkBhLEDVXZwjtet3lvXoSeupLZvBmdMUdayAVOR/9HJMM26jhJ6UmWbX3HbJ!/VuvzD7lJxqHzaIZZkEiIfDfbYMf2d75shwuPWYBPqyqH6jo4jS7eDz9AgywtiA1W7HAHwyZ5Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 06:02:30 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 06:02:30 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30923 Darrell Gehlsen wrote: > > It is my only hive. I captured a swarm late spring. The hive > has built up to filling one hive body. Last week I took the > top hive box off because it was completely empty. I put a > board with a hole that fits a jar lid on top of the single > brood box and am feeding sugar. I have an empty super box > with a lid covering the sugar water jar. I fill the jar half > full of sugar and then fill the jar with hot water to > dissolve the sugar. Am I close to the right mix? > > -- > Darrell > > http://www.machinemaster.com > > "Wayne Hunsucker" wrote in message > news:vsVk7.153474$k7.38395431@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com... > > I hope you try to save the hive. If you're sure the queen > is right (you > > find eggs, larvae, and a decent pattern), it would be > great to try to save > > them. You're talking not very much money for the cost of > sugar. > > > > Have you considered requeening and giving them a couple of > frames from other > > hives, assuming you have that resource? > > > > "Darrell Gehlsen" wrote in > message > > > news:3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net. > .. > > > I have a weak hive (it was a small swarm and it rained > > > during every blossom). It has almost no stores. Can I > save > > > it by feeding or should I just get new bees next spring. > > > If feeding, should I use corn syrup or cane sugar and at > > > what mix? > > > > > > -- > > > Darrell > > > > > > http://www.machinemaster.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Darrell, There are different recipes. A successful beekeeper that I know says that he fills a quart jar full of cane sugar and then fills the jar with boiling water. He feeds from the front of the hive. I prefer to put an empty super on top and feed inside it. He feeds his bees this mixture 3 times during the winter. He doesn't leave a super of honey above the hive body, but I do. If the winter is very mild, the bees will eat this store and have to be fed. You need to check on them all winter to help them if necessary. -- Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. | -- Benjamin Franklin Article 30924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.mntp1.il.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ed Hale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fermented Honey Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:22:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.22.112.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.mntp1.il.home.com 999710539 24.22.112.101 (Wed, 05 Sep 2001 10:22:19 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 10:22:19 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30924 I have a super from last year that I neglected to process and it is fermented now. I am not about to sell/give it, but are there other option? Can I feed it back to the bees without any problems? What? What? Thanks. Ed Hale Article 30925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3B95AC0C.972A4D01@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: Fall feeding Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 18:45:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 999715540 24.248.135.205 (Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:45:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:45:40 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30925 Is this a good time to feed unusable honey back to the bees? I have about a gallon of honey from last year that may be contaminated with Apistan. If it is what is the best method of feeding it to them? I also have a hive that was a swarm that I got in late spring/early summer, they do not seem to have a lot of winter stores. I would try to feed the honey to them. I am in middle Georgia so there is still time to collect some late stores. David "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:IEpl7.1797$CR2.2367249@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > > Darrell Gehlsen wrote: > > > > > > It is my only hive. I captured a swarm late spring. The hive > > > has built up to filling one hive body. Last week I took the > > > top hive box off because it was completely empty. I put a > > > board with a hole that fits a jar lid on top of the single > > > brood box and am feeding sugar. I have an empty super box > > > with a lid covering the sugar water jar. I fill the jar half > > > full of sugar and then fill the jar with hot water to > > > dissolve the sugar. Am I close to the right mix? Article 30926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Repairing elderly extractor Date: 5 Sep 2001 14:10:43 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <700de225.0109051310.442fbbd7@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.123.48.13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999724244 17949 127.0.0.1 (5 Sep 2001 21:10:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Sep 2001 21:10:44 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30926 I have a vintage 18 frame extractor which is in need of maintenance. It's at least 60 years old and appears to have been made by one of the suppliers to the whisky industry in the north of Scotland so has some sentimental value as well. It works fine but the drum is tin-plated steel and the tin is almost non-existent now. Can anyone advise me how to treat it to stop any corrosion? Rob Edinburgh, Scotland Article 30927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hathaway@geneseo.net (Jerry) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Creamed Honey recipe? Date: 5 Sep 2001 20:26:31 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.175.26.246 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999746791 23687 127.0.0.1 (6 Sep 2001 03:26:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Sep 2001 03:26:31 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30927 Hello all, I would like to try to make some cinnamon flavored creamed honey this year but have no idea how much cinnamon to add per gallon. I understand that this may be up to personal taste but I am not sure how much to start with. Are there any good web sites or other creamed honey recipes you could share with me? Thanks, Jerry Article 30928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dca6-feed1.news.digex.net!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3B95AC0C.972A4D01@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: Fall feeding Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:05:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 999785105 66.31.162.165 (Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:05:05 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:05:05 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30928 "David" wrote in message news:opul7.147956$w5.13346543@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com... > Is this a good time to feed unusable honey back to the bees? I have about a > gallon of honey from last year that may be contaminated with Apistan. As long as there are no supers on, you can feed this back to them. > If it is what is the best method of feeding it to them? I would say thin it out a little with water and feed it as you would sugar syrup. > I also have a hive that was a swarm that I got in late spring/early summer, > they do not seem to have a lot of winter stores. I would try to feed the > honey to them. > I am in middle Georgia so there is still time to collect some late stores. Good idea - again, no supers on while you're feeding Apistan-ized honey. -Steve Article 30929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!not-for-mail From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fermented Honey Date: 6 Sep 2001 15:52:49 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 23 Sender: jwg6@cornell.invalid (on syr-66-24-21-168.twcny.rr.com) Message-ID: <9n864h$p5b$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: syr-66-24-21-168.twcny.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 999791569 25771 66.24.21.168 (6 Sep 2001 15:52:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Sep 2001 15:52:49 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30929 Not sure where you are, but wait until the end of the season, when most of the flowers are gone, but the bees are still flying, and set it out for them to rob out. It won't be wasted. If you are concerned about this instigating robbing of other colonies, then instead, set the super of honey on the floor of a strong colony, beneath the brood chamber, and they will recycle the old honey and move it up for winter stores. In early spring the super will be empty, or just about, and you can remove it then before the queen produces brood in it. In article , edhale2@home.com says... > >I have a super from last year that I neglected to process and it is >fermented now. I am not about to sell/give it, but are there other option? >Can I feed it back to the bees without any problems? What? What? Thanks. > >Ed Hale > > > Article 30930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Repairing elderly extractor Date: 6 Sep 2001 16:19:36 GMT Lines: 18 Message-ID: <9n87mo$36q$0@65.201.241.3> References: <700de225.0109051310.442fbbd7@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.3 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30930 On 5 Sep 2001 14:10:43 -0700, robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) wrote: >I have a vintage 18 frame extractor which is in need of maintenance. >It's at least 60 years old and appears to have been made by one of the >suppliers to the whisky industry in the north of Scotland so has some >sentimental value as well. It works fine but the drum is tin-plated >steel and the tin is almost non-existent now. Can anyone advise me >how to treat it to stop any corrosion? > >Rob >Edinburgh, Scotland Can't tell you were to find it, but I would use a food safe paint or epoxy. 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Kind regards, Joseph Crnicki, editor news@focusbest.net Article 30932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!news-in!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David A." <##daaple@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3B95AC0C.972A4D01@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: Fall feeding Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 22:39:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 999815958 24.248.135.205 (Thu, 06 Sep 2001 15:39:18 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 15:39:18 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30932 Steve Thank you for the reminder to remove the supers before feeding the Apistan tainted honey. I have only one super on the hive at the moment and they have very little in it at the moment, I need to check the brood chamber to see how they are doing down there. I was planning to leave the super for them for the winter. David Steve Huston wrote in message news:loLl7.2715$CR2.2888578@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > "David" wrote in message > news:opul7.147956$w5.13346543@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com... > As long as there are no supers on, you can feed this back to them. > > > I would say thin it out a little with water and feed it as you would sugar > syrup. > > > Good idea - again, no supers on while you're feeding Apistan-ized honey. > > -Steve Article 30933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!24.0.0.38!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David A." <##daaple@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <700de225.0109051310.442fbbd7@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Repairing elderly extractor Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 22:42:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 999816172 24.248.135.205 (Thu, 06 Sep 2001 15:42:52 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 15:42:52 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30933 Would a bath tub/sink resurfacing kit work? I think it is some type of epoxy material. David Rob Graham wrote in message news:700de225.0109051310.442fbbd7@posting.google.com... > I have a vintage 18 frame extractor which is in need of maintenance. > It's at least 60 years old and appears to have been made by one of the > suppliers to the whisky industry in the north of Scotland so has some > sentimental value as well. It works fine but the drum is tin-plated > steel and the tin is almost non-existent now. Can anyone advise me > how to treat it to stop any corrosion? > > Rob > Edinburgh, Scotland Article 30934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarming???? Date: 6 Sep 2001 16:42:17 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0109061542.71e2fd7b@posting.google.com> References: <9n2qaj01frj@enews2.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.47.48.69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999819737 10649 127.0.0.1 (6 Sep 2001 23:42:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Sep 2001 23:42:17 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30934 It could have been a swarm, although late in the season for many northern locations. If for some reason the queen doesn't fly out with the swarm, they will eventually return to the hive. Nuc. "Steven D. Hagerty" wrote in message news:<9n2qaj01frj@enews2.newsguy.com>... > Have a question folks.. Something I observed from one of my hives > yesterday. I have started feeding them, to try to get their honey stores > up, they still have plenty of room in the hive. I noticed what looked to be > a swarm going on.... The loud buzzing.... and they went to the top of a tree > (about 35 feet in the air) I couldn't figure a way to get them down. It > looked to be a rather large swarm. I tried to put a swarm trap out, to > encourage the swarm to go there... also another brood chamber and bottom > board near the hive. I noticed this hive went through a quart of sugar > water in about 5 hours. After sitting in this tree for about 4 hours... > they decided to go back into the hive they came from. What might explain > this? Did the queen fly out to mate? It boggles my mind, so if anyone ever > has experienced this, please let me know. > Thank you > Steve Article 30935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B981D7B.AFC48D2F@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Repairing elderly extractor References: <700de225.0109051310.442fbbd7@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 21:06:04 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.248 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 999824292 206.231.24.248 (Thu, 06 Sep 2001 20:58:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 20:58:12 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30935 A.I. Root company used to sell a paintable coating for extractoer and honey tanks called cam cote. I uaed it on an old galvanized 4 frame extractor. Did the job quite nicely. Rob Graham wrote: > I have a vintage 18 frame extractor which is in need of maintenance. > It's at least 60 years old and appears to have been made by one of the > suppliers to the whisky industry in the north of Scotland so has some > sentimental value as well. It works fine but the drum is tin-plated > steel and the tin is almost non-existent now. Can anyone advise me > how to treat it to stop any corrosion? > > Rob > Edinburgh, Scotland Article 30936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dark Hive? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 X-Trace: /wq5/b+CyaYxcVAWZiWG4bHhqIjnf7OUOq5rvH6bUrs/9J2DFA9w3mss4D2eQbNeTea0tGCeN8ZI!C9As5UIqo7BbXCkOyiphtFsY/Xo3DSDmR1/1I+6w+ziuLg0hzN7CEEaP7mZc7w8YECrUxfBLJw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 18:07:16 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 18:07:16 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30936 Yesterday, a friend and I put the Apistan strips and menthol packs into our hives. One hive seems very inactive. I checked the hive body and found several racks that were VERY dark; is this natural? The hive is 5 or 6 years old. Thanks. -- Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. | -- Benjamin Franklin Article 30937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!bigboote.WPI.EDU!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: glena@cruzio.com (Glen Appleby) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Commute Chronicles Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 20:06:36 GMT Organization: Dirt Devil's Home of FREE EATS Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3b992785.5220892@cnews.newsguy.com> References: <9natj5$pi@u1.netgate.net> <3B9909A3.88485655@123.com> <9nb4n0$771@u1.netgate.net> <3B99228A.C1345745@123.com> <9nbaqi$c79@u1.netgate.net> Reply-To: glena@cruzio.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p-565.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30937 On 7 Sep 2001 13:31:14 -0700, in ba.mountain-folk,geoffm@u1.netgate.net (Geoff Miller) wrote: >knobsauce writes: > >> Self-absorbed crank in car behind, thinks only of himself and how >> much women bunch his undies all the time. > >> his solution - dream of rape and torture > >Golly-gee-willikers, you don't even know me, and yet you're assured >enough to describe me as a "self-absorbed crank." Pretty amazing >stuff. Just to clarify for the reading audience, perhaps you would be so kind as to tell us exactly what type of crank you are. You know -- just as a public service. >Speaking of cranks, I have one that needs kissing. Ob Geoff Miller: But mind the teeth. (sorry, when I see a good one, I seldom forget it) >> There really is no one in the world but you, is there? And Geoff slips into his Tim May cape, crotchless panties and tights, and says: >If the rest of the world doesn't watch its collective step, there >soon won't be. Now, would that be nukes or a slow, painful death by boredom? Knowing you, I have trouble imagining the second. Glen (hang on -- lemme get my shades on) Appleby "Who we are and who we become depends, in part, on who we love." -- "A General Theory Of Love" Thanks, Mom ______________________________________________________________ Glen Appleby glena@armory.com Article 30938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Raising Queens Lines: 17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 18:22:20 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-BbG/y9y016l/hPvQLsiMDc0PW3woarvGCD2sKqA5QlN/+HhqzMMts5Ww24yOiiJbHAnd0SlrCzwZ6dS!aPuyff0QU6TXqr5jCTiSWvBZ2QGLIoszFSZd/6GYlnRU9w1ZmnYo8P2npT0776iQ5hVbtv1e4gkU!EhV6RsiYWtG1ESpvmA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 23:22:20 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30938 I tried this on another group, but didn't get much response. Maybe I'll have better luck here. I sure hope so. :-) It'll be time to requeen soon here in west Texas. I would like to try to breed my own queens. I've heard of some different kits that are available, but don't know which one is the best for me. I'm fairly new at this whole thing, but am working towards commercial beekeeping. Currently, I only have 10 hives, but will be building to 300 as soon as possible. I would appreciate any suggestions or comments on the best way to raise my own queens and what kit or technique to use. Thanks Mark Horse sense is just stable thinking. Article 30939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!nntp.cadvision.com!207.228.64.17.MISMATCH!not-for-mail From: "K. 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For more information please call: Westcan Business Development Corp. 265-16 Midlake Blvd, SE Calgary, AB T2X 2X7 Canada Toll Free: (888) 447-FARM (3276) Phone: (403) 201-7713 Fax: (403) 201-7719 info@westcan.ab.ca Article 30940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!feed1.newsreader.com!feed2.newsreader.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Raising Queens Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 01:15:45 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3b997107.449149275@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30940 On Fri, 07 Sep 2001 23:22:20 GMT, "Me" wrote: >I tried this on another group, but didn't get much response. Maybe I'll >have better luck here. I sure hope so. :-) > >It'll be time to requeen soon here in west Texas. I would like to try to >breed my own queens. I've heard of some different kits that are available, >but don't know which one is the best for me. I'm fairly new at this whole >thing, but am working towards commercial beekeeping. Currently, I only have >10 hives, but will be building to 300 as soon as possible. I would >appreciate any suggestions or comments on the best way to raise my own >queens and what kit or technique to use. > >Thanks >Mark > >Horse sense is just stable thinking. > > Before you invest that kind of money why don't you go work for a queen breeder for a year? beekeep Article 30941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Raising Queens Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 03:10:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 999918635 4.33.104.69 (Fri, 07 Sep 2001 20:10:35 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 20:10:35 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 20:06:54 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30941 "Me" wrote: >It'll be time to requeen soon here in west Texas. I would like to try to >breed my own queens. I've heard of some different kits that are available, >but don't know which one is the best for me. I'm fairly new at this whole >thing, but am working towards commercial beekeeping. Currently, I only have >10 hives, but will be building to 300 as soon as possible. I would >appreciate any suggestions or comments on the best way to raise my own >queens and what kit or technique to use. Grafting is a very low cost and easy-to-learn method, but the Jenter queen rearing kit is the best among the kits that I've seen. It available from Brushy Mountain Bee Farm. A page on my web site (link below) gives an overview on how to use the Jenter kit. Whether using a kit or grafting, a good book on queen rearing would be an excellent investment. One of my favorites is "Rearing Queen Honey Bees" by Roger Morse. Also, Marla Spivak has a short video and book combination titled "Successful Queen Rearing" that I highly recommend (available through U. of Minnesota). Best wishes for your queen rearing! John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!feed.news.qwest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B99A526.AD9933F@qwest.net> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What kind of bee is this? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 22:57:11 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.180.94.252 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 999925031 209.180.94.252 (Fri, 07 Sep 2001 23:57:11 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 23:57:11 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30942 I am in my first year as a hobby bee keeper and have just opened my eyes to the bee world. Until this year I had never noticed a beautiful bee with an orange stripe across its abdomen. What kind of bee is it? You can see two photos I took of one at the following link. http://www.ofoto.com/BrowsePhotos.jsp?showSlide=true&UV=485044652241_77911080203&US=0&Upost_signin=BrowsePhotos.jsp%3FshowSlide%3Dtrue%26m%3D15871080203%26n%3D668513700&Un=668513700&Um=15871080203&collid=97361080203 Thanks Rich Article 30944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Sep 2001 12:44:48 GMT References: <3B99A526.AD9933F@qwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: What kind of bee is this? Message-ID: <20010908084448.24277.00000449@mb-cb.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30944 Is the orange stripe the bee or it's pollen load? Article 30945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Sep 2001 12:43:32 GMT References: <5564f45f.0109072157.1ffd1ba9@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: drones this late Message-ID: <20010908084332.24277.00000448@mb-cb.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30945 > but at the >same time I saw a lot of sealed drone brood! What is this >mean, A strong healthy colony. Some prosperous colonies even carry some drones right on through winter. I bet you still have a goldenrod/aster/knotweed/clematis flow Article 30946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Sep 2001 14:03:10 GMT References: <20010908084332.24277.00000448@mb-cb.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: drones this late Message-ID: <20010908100310.09598.00000664@mb-fa.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30946 Hi, Yes here in south central wisconsin we have hills and corners just covered in goldenrod. The purple losestrife is going strong as well. Cheers, Dave Article 30947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: zadigvolta@aol.comnojunk (Zadigvolta) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Sep 2001 14:39:00 GMT References: <20010908100310.09598.00000664@mb-fa.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: drones this late Message-ID: <20010908103900.08827.00000405@mb-cl.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30947 If the presence of drones continues on past the normal "expulsion period" then the presence/condition of your queen becomes suspect. Check for the presence of day old eggs. Being a swarm, it may have had the "old" queen from the previous hive and she may be failing or dead. You could just unite the colony with another if there is a problem. Article 30948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sdd.hp.com!news-west.eli.net!telocity-west!TELOCITY!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!news-in!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.tn.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Wayne Hunsucker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9n864h$p5b$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: Fermented Honey Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: <0_qm7.179996$k7.42563510@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 15:40:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.17.209.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.tn.home.com 999963644 24.17.209.35 (Sat, 08 Sep 2001 08:40:44 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 08:40:44 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30948 Or--you could make some mead with it. "JG in NY" wrote in message news:9n864h$p5b$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu... > Not sure where you are, but wait until the end of the season, when most of the > flowers are gone, but the bees are still flying, and set it out for them to > rob out. It won't be wasted. > > If you are concerned about this instigating robbing of other colonies, then > instead, set the super of honey on the floor of a strong colony, beneath the > brood chamber, and they will recycle the old honey and move it up for winter > stores. In early spring the super will be empty, or just about, and you can > remove it then before the queen produces brood in it. > > > In article , edhale2@home.com > says... > > > >I have a super from last year that I neglected to process and it is > >fermented now. I am not about to sell/give it, but are there other option? > >Can I feed it back to the bees without any problems? What? What? Thanks. > > > >Ed Hale > > > > > > > Article 30949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: frathan@airdial.net (Fr. Athanasios) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: drones this late Date: 7 Sep 2001 22:57:31 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5564f45f.0109072157.1ffd1ba9@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.19.110.163 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999928652 3152 127.0.0.1 (8 Sep 2001 05:57:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2001 05:57:32 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30949 Greetings everyone! I need a little help here. I am in south-central Wisconsin, I was pulling frames out yesterday and in one of my hives with a very large population (it is a late April beginning of May swarm) I found sealed brood (expected) but at the same time I saw a lot of sealed drone brood! What is this mean, this late in the season? Thank you for your help! Fr. Athanasios Article 30950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-was.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!do.de.uu.net!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B926F6F.C3EED305@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: For Scott Moser Lines: 18 Organization: Westgate, waterville X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 19:02:27 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.157.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 999972266 159.134.157.158 (Sat, 08 Sep 2001 19:04:26 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 19:04:26 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30950 Hi One part water to five parts sugar, dissolve and then bring up to 234 degrees Fahrenheit , take it off the heat and cool stirring until it just starts to go cloudy, pour into mould quickly as it sets rapidly. Ruary Rudd Taylor Francis wrote in message news:3B926F6F.C3EED305@yahoo.com... > Scott, I recently lost all my old e-mail (including your address). > > Earlier this year, you sent me a recipe for candy to put on a bee hive > through the winter. Would you please send the recipe again? > > thanks, > Taylor Article 30951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!not-for-mail From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dark Hive? Date: 8 Sep 2001 18:59:04 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 18 Sender: jwg6@cornell.invalid (on syr-66-24-21-168.twcny.rr.com) Distribution: world Message-ID: <9ndppo$36l$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu> References: <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: syr-66-24-21-168.twcny.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 999975544 3285 66.24.21.168 (8 Sep 2001 18:59:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2001 18:59:04 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30951 Hi there, Louise. Hope your bees are faring well. In article <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain>, louise@atlas.localdomain says... > >Yesterday, a friend and I put the Apistan strips and menthol packs into >our hives. One hive seems very inactive. I checked the hive body and >found several racks that were VERY dark; is this natural? The hive is 5 >or 6 years old. ("racks" = Presume you mean COMBS, or frames, in common beekeeping terminology. [There are other beekeeping implements called racks -- completely different. Not to bee too nit-picky, but...]) Answer is "Yes!" Brood combs darken, from yellow to brown, to black, with age. 5 or 6 years? (How you been inspecting this colony over time?) It's no problem -- they should be pretty dark by now. SO everything is A - OK. Article 30952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 16 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Sep 2001 19:52:34 GMT References: <0_qm7.179996$k7.42563510@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Fermented Honey Message-ID: <20010908155234.25089.00000567@mb-mc.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30952 Don't make mead with your honey that has gone off, use the best honey your bees can produce. Do you really want to invest a year or more of your time waiting for a product started with less than optimum ingrediants? As for fermented honey it is not considered to be good bee feed in the fall because it contains materials the bees will have to eliminate. You would do better feeding it in the spring when the bees have the ability to make cleansing flights daily. Feed em sugar syrup in the fall if they need feeding. Article 30953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Sep 2001 19:53:45 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: For Scott Moser Message-ID: <20010908155345.25089.00000568@mb-mc.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30953 just remember 1 2 3 4 5 1 and 5 are ingrediants 234 is the temp Article 30954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What kind of bee is this? Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 20:53:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3b9a84f3.519781381@news1.radix.net> References: <3B99A526.AD9933F@qwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30954 On Fri, 07 Sep 2001 22:57:11 -0600, Rich wrote: >I am in my first year as a hobby bee keeper and have just opened my eyes >to the bee world. Until this year I had never noticed a beautiful bee >with an orange stripe across its abdomen. What kind of bee is it? You >can see two photos I took of one at the following link. > >http://www.ofoto.com/BrowsePhotos.jsp?showSlide=true&UV=485044652241_77911080203&US=0&Upost_signin=BrowsePhotos.jsp%3FshowSlide%3Dtrue%26m%3D15871080203%26n%3D668513700&Un=668513700&Um=15871080203&collid=97361080203 > >Thanks >Rich > It is the Red-tailed Bumble Bee (Bombus ternarius) beekeep Article 30955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: frathan@airdial.net (Fr. Athanasios) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: drones this late Date: 8 Sep 2001 15:27:17 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5564f45f.0109081427.65d91dc@posting.google.com> References: <5564f45f.0109072157.1ffd1ba9@posting.google.com> <20010908084332.24277.00000448@mb-cb.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.19.110.163 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999988037 14609 127.0.0.1 (8 Sep 2001 22:27:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2001 22:27:17 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30955 > A strong healthy colony. > Some prosperous colonies even carry some drones right on >through winter. I bet you still have a goldenrod/aster/ >knotweed/clematis flow Many thanks to all for all the responses!! Yes we do have a *lot* goldenrod around here now! Fr. Athanasios Article 30956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dark Hive? Date: 8 Sep 2001 16:55:05 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0109081555.dca3aa3@posting.google.com> References: <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.123.73.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999993305 15888 127.0.0.1 (8 Sep 2001 23:55:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2001 23:55:05 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30956 Louise Adderholdt wrote in message news:<3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain>... > Yesterday, a friend and I put the Apistan strips and menthol packs into > our hives. One hive seems very inactive. I checked the hive body and > found several racks that were VERY dark; is this natural? The hive is 5 > or 6 years old. > >It is normal for combs to darken over time especially brood combs, I would suggest that when your next season starts that you remove one or two old dark combs and get the bees to draw out new ones, queens much prefer clean combs and it also helps to keep down disease. ultimately get rid of all the old combs and get new ones drawn out. take care and stay lucky albert. Article 30957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dark Hive? Date: 8 Sep 2001 16:59:32 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0109081559.1ead5603@posting.google.com> References: <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.123.73.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999993572 15922 127.0.0.1 (8 Sep 2001 23:59:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2001 23:59:32 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30957 Louise Adderholdt wrote in message news:<3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain>... > Yesterday, a friend and I put the Apistan strips and menthol packs into > our hives. One hive seems very inactive. I checked the hive body and > found several racks that were VERY dark; is this natural? The hive is 5 > or 6 years old. > > Thanks. It is normal for brood combs to darken over time, six years is i reckon a bit long to keep such combs. when your next season starts remove one or two old combs and get the bees to draw out new ones. aim to get them all changed over a couple of years.Queens much prefer to clean combs to lay in and apart from it helping to keep disease down, its also easier to see eggs. take care and stay lucky albert Article 30958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dark Hive? Date: 8 Sep 2001 17:59:03 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.138.243.227 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999997143 16557 127.0.0.1 (9 Sep 2001 00:59:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Sep 2001 00:59:03 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30958 Howdy Louise -- You got a good answer from JG concerning the dark combs, but I am concerned about your saying the colony is inactive. Did you find only a few bees? Any brood? This seems to be the critical question. Pete ************************************************************ Article 30959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "BearLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey robber ??? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-Trace: 9ngR4xBheTNgzFhj2JsX+//CgQzJ61dcJoNQJUU33mm+g7tl1wXWvS/FPuQDN0kRJRZCOXCkfUCF!DvAf6JNjZqozp5hNLHZK1SPvoipfv0IXcUO0Pszt/xZYujY2PUsQFEd84D52a/ESIFd71wIsLyt7!oMtSNXVAqC4jP7+qOQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 03:46:41 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 03:46:45 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30959 I have a bottle of honey robber that I bought 2 years ago and it doesn't seem to be working too well. Does it lose its potency? Guess i will shake and brush tomorrow...Yikes. btw temp was in high 60's may be part of it i suppose. Joe Article 30960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: colin@smile-plastics.co.uk (colin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bayverol and verroa Date: 9 Sep 2001 06:46:33 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.32.143.106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1000043193 25192 127.0.0.1 (9 Sep 2001 13:46:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Sep 2001 13:46:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30960 Some years ago my company manufactured plastic sheeting which included various insect control chemicals. An essential element of these was that the chemical should migrate to the outside of the plastic from whence it could evaporate and control the insects (and other creatures).The time taken for all the active ingredient to migrate to the surface and to evaporate depended on the concentration in the plastic, the temperature and the nature of the plastic itself. So, my query is, why are Bayverol and similar strips not made so that all the active ingredients migrate and evaporate over, say, two life cycles of the mite. We are advised to remove the strips after six weeks in the hive, but why not make them so that they are no longer active after this time so that 'forgetful' beekeepers don't help build up an immunity in the mites.Furthermore, it reduces the number of times that the hive needs to be opened, as you could remove them the following spring. Second question re Bayverol. Has any work been published on the most effective place to put the strips ? I know that we are recommended to slide them between brood frames, but as ventilation and circulation of air is pretty efficient in a hive, would they act just as well if laid on the top of and across the frames so that each frame is exposed to the chemical? Article 30961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Patrick M. Hennessey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Repairing elderly extractor Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 11:00:47 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <6s0nptoutl5e2fbu9oa6n1ifd2tkidbg90@4ax.com> References: <700de225.0109051310.442fbbd7@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30961 The Walter T. Kelly Company sells a clear plastic you can paint on for just this reason. I cannot find my catalog right this minute, so I cannot give you the telephone munber. I think it runs around $9.00 a quart. On 5 Sep 2001 14:10:43 -0700, robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) wrote: >I have a vintage 18 frame extractor which is in need of maintenance. >It's at least 60 years old and appears to have been made by one of the >suppliers to the whisky industry in the north of Scotland so has some >sentimental value as well. It works fine but the drum is tin-plated >steel and the tin is almost non-existent now. Can anyone advise me >how to treat it to stop any corrosion? > >Rob >Edinburgh, Scotland You know what to delete from the email address to respone directly to me. Article 30962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bayverol and verroa Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 19:08:02 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.216.163 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1000058891 62.255.216.163 (Sun, 09 Sep 2001 19:08:11 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 19:08:11 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30962 On 9 Sep 2001 06:46:33 -0700, colin@smile-plastics.co.uk (colin) wrote: > would they act just as well if laid >on the top of and across the frames so that each frame is exposed to >the chemical? AFAIK, the bees need to be able to walk over them for them to be effective. BICBW. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 30963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "BearLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Honey robber ??? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-Trace: 9ngR+y4PX15YR7Y7MVlqGPJkfkiA5zW+xkwutScRBgFd/fqX/rjijEHbcurqY1TH6Rwf19IuGRcX!lcZROw93GS3BAb5ofwki6dzMslZNxWOL6Gg276dQ7h/w3Wk7gX2z09/uY0rp1UyFimR/7xF6Fcja!4Wm1R/zprc/MLgSL X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:13:13 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:13:14 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30963 Never mind....warm afternoon did the trick...infact one hive reacted so well....they poored out the bottom as if someone sounded the swarm alrarm....oops Joe Article 30964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!news2.wam.umd.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: nopcme@aol.com (Nopcme) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 10 Sep 2001 00:45:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Mini mating nuc plans Message-ID: <20010909204501.20890.00000296@mb-mb.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30964 Does anyone know where I might find plans for a Mini mating nuc? Thanx, Jim Article 30965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David A." <##daaple@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010909204501.20890.00000296@mb-mb.aol.com> Subject: Re: Mini mating nuc plans Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 02:07:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 1000087625 24.248.135.205 (Sun, 09 Sep 2001 19:07:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 19:07:05 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30965 Try this address: http://www.beesource.com/plans/ David Nopcme wrote in message news:20010909204501.20890.00000296@mb-mb.aol.com... > Does anyone know where I might find plans for a Mini mating nuc? > Thanx, > Jim Article 30966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B9C22C1.F927C9AE@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey robber ??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:17:37 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 1000087821 206.231.24.57 (Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:10:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:10:21 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30966 Try painting your fumeboards black. They will work better on cool days if the sun is out. BearLc wrote: > Never mind....warm afternoon did the trick...infact one hive reacted so > well....they poored out the bottom as if someone sounded the swarm > alrarm....oops > > Joe Article 30967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3B9CFC43.629F2986@hcis.net> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:45:39 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: So far so good in S.E.IL. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.225.20 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1000136422 66.20.225.20 (10 Sep 2001 10:40:22 -0500) Lines: 21 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!local-out2.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30967 After a dry spell this summer, the S.E.corner of IL has rec'd several nice showers and the Goldenrod is blooming like crazy. Many other assorted wildflowers are in abundance but the goldenrod is more lush and plentiful than I have seen in a long long time. The bees are in a feeding frenzy. Hopefully this bodes well for good survival rates this winter. Someone posted a comment not long ago about placing a super under the hive during the winter to provide food *below* the brood where the queen would be laying. The idea being since the cluster moves up during the winter, this would reduce the chances of the queen laying the the supers and the workers would bring the food up as needed. I don't recall seeing a response to this approach but it sounds plausible. Any comments? AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B9C314F.5A6CDD06@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dark Hive? References: <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 X-Trace: /wLwTfHQcO9h3ojvuh8lg6CbvVtNqXwPhCz1U53BredGquACKpK4QwY2FnQYRuNOqMgDckw7XiPP!AS2trcc+KwLaDhzm9UsvMtxvew67jXgxG+z/5Y0G6tlPqh0or/b4FjVNMbxXYbee0w35Rkidpw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:05:03 GMT Distribution: world Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:05:03 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30968 Pete wrote: > > Howdy Louise -- > > You got a good answer from JG concerning the dark combs, but I am concerned > about your saying the colony is inactive. Did you find only a few bees? > Any brood? This seems to be the critical question. > > Pete > ************************************************************ Pete, I will check the hive more closely this week and report on what I find out. I have started feeding this hive with sugar water and they are drinking fast. -- Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. | -- Benjamin Franklin Article 30969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B9C30C7.1C8600A4@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dark Hive? References: <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain> <4169b71c.0109081555.dca3aa3@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 X-Trace: /Kw5eGgqpIYNxq8FiIquB56n8+XgtWj5dkcHDLNvjPkmUNNqW/SLiR2wtbGIkYDXCCfetjPLqd4l!uIsBpisAzMCWLgzN8bTn1Q/caFYMz0drBq7HqaNHBx3sQVtGupTv5hC6uZQWVkdpnnPg3LflPw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:05:00 GMT Distribution: world Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:05:00 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30969 albert cannon wrote: > > Louise Adderholdt wrote in message news:<3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain>... > > Yesterday, a friend and I put the Apistan strips and menthol packs into > > our hives. One hive seems very inactive. I checked the hive body and > > found several racks that were VERY dark; is this natural? The hive is 5 > > or 6 years old. > > > >It is normal for combs to darken over time especially brood combs, > I would suggest that when your next season starts that you remove one or two > old dark combs and get the bees to draw out new ones, queens much prefer clean > combs and it also helps to keep down disease. ultimately get rid of all the > old combs and get new ones drawn out. > > take care and stay lucky > albert. Thanks, Albert. Should I start from the outside frames? Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. | -- Benjamin Franklin Article 30970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B9C307F.F4DC0743@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dark Hive? References: <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain> <9ndppo$36l$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 X-Trace: /K+neRuosUQxBWEhG4oovwCyzxur9SwPebE/KlFtq1UDWaoD6DyAKGHKKuCRJdGmc5e2mKBHmC0R!hySMgLYBrl8J2xD4cfvOkY6G3uTjFs1/JSkyNLqoLv5qmfphRwAto40A4HD1bNhyKsj93Wth7Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:04:59 GMT Distribution: world Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:04:59 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30970 JG in NY wrote: > > Hi there, Louise. Hope your bees are faring well. > > In article <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain>, louise@atlas.localdomain > says... > > > >Yesterday, a friend and I put the Apistan strips and menthol packs into > >our hives. One hive seems very inactive. I checked the hive body and > >found several racks that were VERY dark; is this natural? The hive is 5 > >or 6 years old. > > ("racks" = Presume you mean COMBS, or frames, in common beekeeping > terminology. [There are other beekeeping implements called racks -- completely > different. Not to bee too nit-picky, but...]) > > Answer is "Yes!" Brood combs darken, from yellow to brown, to black, with > age. 5 or 6 years? (How you been inspecting this colony over time?) It's no > problem -- they should be pretty dark by now. SO everything is A - OK. Yes, I do inspect the hives, but not so thoroughly in the brood chamber, in fear of damaging the queen and the brood. Thanks for the info (and the correction about the 'racks.' I do know the difference; I should have said 'frames'). Louise Article 30971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: nopcme@aol.com (Nopcme) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 10 Sep 2001 18:42:04 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Mini mating nuc plans Message-ID: <20010910144204.08444.00000915@mb-mn.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30971 Those plans are for a 5 frame nuc. I'm interested in a Mini mating nuc- Jim Article 30972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Processing cappings Date: 10 Sep 2001 14:06:07 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: <700de225.0109101306.4b61727d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.123.40.156 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1000155967 18897 127.0.0.1 (10 Sep 2001 21:06:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Sep 2001 21:06:07 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30972 After 40 years of very laid back country garden bee keeping, I've never really solved the problem of what to do with cappings. I heat them up gently to get as much honey out of them as possible and then they tend to get stuck in a honey bucket as I'm never convinced that there is enough honey left in them to make it worth while feeding the mass back to the bees. And then what is the best way to do it - an open container in the hive creates all sorts of problems and an old feeder doesn't really have the volume - so what do other keepers do? Rob Article 30973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "BeArLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Proper way to do sugar roll???? Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:42:34 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30973 What is the proper way to test for varroa with the sugar roll method and at what level would your treat??? Joe -- ===================================== http://www.jaxworld.com/lowcarb/joe.html ===================================== Article 30974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa monitoring technique Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:29:06 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <9nji91$7ue$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.148 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30974 Try this web site: http://entomology.unl.edu/beekpg/tidings/btid2000/btdjan00.htm#Article2 Article 30975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <700de225.0109101306.4b61727d@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Processing cappings Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:38:16 -0700 Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-144.reachone.com Message-ID: <3b9d5b45@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 10 Sep 2001 17:31:01 -0700, tc1-144.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!newspeer.cts.com!nntp2.savvis.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-144.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30975 I'm strickly a hobbyist with a couple of hives, but I strain my extracted honey through a mesh bag I got at the paint store. After extracting, I add the cappings & let it drain over a bucket for a day. Then I dump the whole sticky mess out on a sheet of cardboard about 100' from the hive. I don't see any real evidence of robbing although I'll lose a few bees to fights over the honey (a dozen or two). Then I've got clean cappings to make candles from. Ken Rob Graham wrote in message <700de225.0109101306.4b61727d@posting.google.com>... I've >never really solved the problem of what to do with cappings... Article 30976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: roseybeeapiary@aol.com (ROSEY BEE APIARY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Sep 2001 00:37:02 GMT References: <20010910144204.08444.00000915@mb-mn.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Mini mating nuc plans Message-ID: <20010910203702.00441.00000119@mb-bh.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30976 Try checking at www.equinoxbeestudio.com--I believe that in 1999 or 2000 he had plans in an ABJ article. Tim Morris Article 30977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How's it been for you this summer ? Date: 11 Sep 2001 14:22:52 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <700de225.0109111322.f0bfdfb@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.123.74.176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1000243372 4801 127.0.0.1 (11 Sep 2001 21:22:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Sep 2001 21:22:52 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30977 Well its been a funny summer here near Edinburgh in Scotland as we haven't really had a summer. There was a great fortnight in May when we all got out as much as possible but since then the number of days when it got hot enough to enjoy sitting out have been very few and there's been quite a lot of rain. So beekeeping was very 'let alone' for my 2 hives; there was no likelihood of any swarms and having checked them out in April, they've been left alone with a bit of a worry in the back of my mind that perhaps they might need feeding - its been that wet a summer. Hey but no - I just don't understand bees even after 40 years - there's stacks of honey; 90 pounds off the two hives and its all run honey, no setting in the comb. Obviously just the sort of year when you wish you had more hives ! But I can't understand why its been so good - do I want to understand when I can't really influence it anyway ? How about other people? How has it been elsewhere? Rob Edinburgh, Scotland Article 30978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Repairing elderly extractor Date: 11 Sep 2001 14:09:11 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: <700de225.0109111309.12b65e1c@posting.google.com> References: <700de225.0109051310.442fbbd7@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.123.74.176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1000242551 4603 127.0.0.1 (11 Sep 2001 21:09:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Sep 2001 21:09:11 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30978 Thanks to all who helped although I'm no further forward - one of the problems being in UK and most of the sources of materials suggested being in the US. I'm sure that I'll find the answer somewhere on the internet, its just a matter of where. Rob Article 30979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!atlpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Proper way to do sugar roll???? Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:10:48 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 07:15:36 -0500 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30979 Here is the article from our newsletter http://entomology.unl.edu/beekpg/tidings/btid2000/btdjan00.htm#Article2 IN NEBRASKA we treat when when there are > 8 mites on the sugar shake .. we are using Coumaphos for 2 years due to high mite resistance to Apistan. Your location and number of mites may very .. your state inspector can give you the exact number. Dave On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:42:34 -0700, "BeArLc" wrote: >What is the proper way to test for varroa with the sugar roll method and at >what level would your treat??? > >Joe Article 30980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: zadigvolta@aol.comnojunk (Zadigvolta) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Sep 2001 13:19:43 GMT References: <700de225.0109101306.4b61727d@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Processing cappings Message-ID: <20010911091943.08912.00000945@mb-cl.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30980 Rob, Just add "enough" clean water to the fresh cappings, strain the cappings and keep the water and allow it to ferment. Some years, it makes quite a load of "mead". Then put the cappings in a solar wax melter, later exchange the wax at Kelly and Co. in Kentucky for wax foundation. Joe in MA. Article 30981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Processing cappings Date: 11 Sep 2001 14:04:08 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <700de225.0109111304.557a36c5@posting.google.com> References: <700de225.0109101306.4b61727d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.123.74.176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1000242248 4525 127.0.0.1 (11 Sep 2001 21:04:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Sep 2001 21:04:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30981 Thanks guys - that's good suggestions all round and they both solve the problem from totally different directions and with very different end results :>) Rob Article 30982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010912083345.01446.00000004@mb-ft.aol.com> Subject: Re: nosema Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:00:27 -0700 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-158.reachone.com Message-ID: <3ba00356@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 12 Sep 2001 17:52:38 -0700, tc1-158.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsf