Article 33304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "salvatorebts" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nectars that make bees immune to mites Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:46:50 +0200 Organization: Tiscali Spa Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-62-11-80-23.dialup.tiscali.it X-Trace: lacerta.tiscalinet.it 1030869799 9299 62.11.80.23 (1 Sep 2002 08:43:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@it.tiscali.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Sep 2002 08:43:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!area.cu.mi.it!newsfeeder.edisontel.com!newsfeeder.inwind.it!inwind.it!draco.tiscalinet.it!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33304 nepeta family end mint family are ok "Justin" ha scritto nel messaggio news:wbRb9.242137$983.524080@rwcrnsc53... > What plants can I put near a hive to help the bees have healthy digestive > tracts and healthy lungs free of mites? Is there any sort of plants > whose > nectar mites find irritating? Have any experiments been done with > regards > to this? Article 33305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beeman10@aol.com (Beeman10) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Sep 2002 11:59:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: mesh floors Message-ID: <20020901075918.10797.00000591@mb-ca.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33305 I have been seeing an apparent increase in beekeepers saying they are using mesh floors on their hives. How do you keep ants out? What size mesh do you use? Article 33306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "nor600w@tninet.se" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mesh floors Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:57:12 +0200 Organization: Telenordia/Algonet Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <20020901075918.10797.00000591@mb-ca.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sdu212-213.ppp.algonet.se X-Trace: green.tninet.se 1030892286 24885 195.163.213.212 (1 Sep 2002 14:58:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@telenordia.se NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:58:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 16:58:26 MET DST (news01.chello.no) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!feed.news.nacamar.de!uio.no!Norway.EU.net!newsfeed1.ulv.nextra.no!nextra.com!news01.chello.no!news01.chello.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!news2.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33306 Hi In sweden we mostly use 2x2 mm mesh size We have only one ant which are trouble some for the bees and they generally enter thru the same opening the bees use to get out and in thru mvh Magnus "Beeman10" skrev i meddelandet news:20020901075918.10797.00000591@mb-ca.aol.com... > I have been seeing an apparent increase in beekeepers saying they are using > mesh floors on their hives. > > How do you keep ants out? > What size mesh do you use? Article 33307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Justin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Nectars that make bees immune to mites Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.232.74.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1030894348 12.232.74.10 (Sun, 01 Sep 2002 15:32:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 15:32:28 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 15:32:28 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33307 I found this article. http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/ipm/insects/pollinat/varroa/oils.htm Do you agree with it? "salvatorebts" wrote in message news:aksjv7$92j$1@lacerta.tiscalinet.it... > nepeta family end mint family are ok > > "Justin" ha scritto nel messaggio > news:wbRb9.242137$983.524080@rwcrnsc53... > > What plants can I put near a hive to help the bees have healthy digestive > > tracts and healthy lungs free of mites? Is there any sort of plants whose > > nectar mites find irritating? Have any experiments been done with regards > > to this? > > > > > > Article 33308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Normand ChoiniХre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Nectars that make bees immune to mites Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:46:23 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.208.211.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1030920394 216.208.211.54 (Sun, 01 Sep 2002 18:46:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 18:46:34 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!torn!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33308 This is far from being up to date. So bad that many North Americans don't speak any other language than english... They could access to many interesting european Web sites. This one is very well documented and available in many languages : french, italian, german and even english: http://www.apis.admin.ch/english/Themes/Varroa.htm#AetherischeOele You will find state of the art practices on essential oils. NC "Justin" a Иcrit dans le message de news: gqqc9.261307$983.529547@rwcrnsc53... > I found this article. > http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/ipm/insects/pollinat/varroa/oils.htm Do you > agree with it? > > "salvatorebts" wrote in message > news:aksjv7$92j$1@lacerta.tiscalinet.it... > > nepeta family end mint family are ok > > > > "Justin" ha scritto nel messaggio > > news:wbRb9.242137$983.524080@rwcrnsc53... > > > What plants can I put near a hive to help the bees have healthy > digestive > > > tracts and healthy lungs free of mites? Is there any sort of plants > whose > > > nectar mites find irritating? Have any experiments been done with > regards > > > to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 33309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Deanna" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Philadelphia beekeepers Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:35:20 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33309 Hi Magnus I live in PA (about 11/2-2 hours away??) close to the NY border. Very near me is a major Bee Apiary called Drapers Super Bee Apiary, Inc - look them up if you want www.DraperBee.com I just started in beekeeping this spring. My husband and I have one hive and I tend to my fathers two hives, that he just got this year too (as he is allergic to stings-as well as my husband). I'm hoping to expand by 2-3 hives next year! Need any info? I'd "bee" happy to help if I can. :) Deanna "nor600w@tninet.se" wrote in message news:akrcqn$7rk$1@green.tninet.se... > Hi > > I'm on my way to move to northwest Philadelphia PA > > Anyone know of beekeeper there or in Pennsylvania > > mvh > Magnus > > Article 33310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Anthony Morgan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Testing of honey? Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 09:19:27 +0200 Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8r=2DTr=F8ndelag?= University College Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3D7310FF.D894E887@iet.hist.no> References: <3D6C172A.51A9C0A8@foobatnet.com> <3D70129A.5104B88F@foobatnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dolly.uninett.no 1030951381 23521 158.38.51.37 (2 Sep 2002 07:23:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@uninett.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 07:23:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!uio.no!uninett.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33310 "nor600w@tninet.se" wrote: > > Hi > The moisture content is important for one specific, there is always a little > natural yeast in honey > If the moisture content is to low the yeast will be activated and your honey > will smell like a bad home brewed beer ;-) > > Magnus If the moisture content is too HIGH the yeast (and any other picked up during harvesting or processing) can start fermentation - usually during storage or sometimes after the honey has been sold -- Not good PR! Marginal honey can be dried somewhat whilst still in the frames by stacking boxes and circulating warm dry air through the stack. This is often done with heather honey right up to extraction with the advantage that the honey extracts easier as it is warm. 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Article 33312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pseudo Queens and Hive Invasions Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:55:12 -0600 Lines: 35 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-108.spots.ab.ca (209.115.174.87) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1030978497 56434962 209.115.174.87 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pm3-108.spots.ab.CA!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33312 For those who saw or heard about the presentations by Dr. Gloria Degrandi-Hoffman at The AHPA or ABF conventions last year and this year, I have some questions. Have any on this group had any experience with the phenomena she was discussing? Apparently with at least some AHB, there is a completely different queen pheromone profile and that was her topic this year. Last year, she discussed the invasion of other hives by groups and individuals with AHB background and the effects. Does anyone know 1. Where exactly are these phenomena being observed.? I heard mention of Texas and Arizona, but when I was in AZ, speaking with a number of the locals, (and looking though the brood chambers of a local operation), no one said they were seeing this, except the lab. 2. Is this a seasonal thing? Are special conditions necessary? Are only certain EHB susceptible? If it is on the loose in AZ, why was there no evidence of this visible in bees I looked at near the lab. (The operation accept a large number of swarms donated from neighbouring golf courses as I understood it. I saw NO bad brood patterns in their outfit. Zero. I have never seen such consistently nice brood). 3. The term 'Africanized' is being used. What degrees of Africanization are being seen and how homogeneous is the 'Africanization'? Does anyone on s.a.b have any further hard info on this? allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 33313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "TRIKER" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:29:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.238.131.230 X-Trace: eagle.america.net 1030994964 64.238.131.230 (Mon, 02 Sep 2002 15:29:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 15:29:24 EDT Organization: 24hoursupport.com Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!falcon.america.net!eagle.america.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33313 My bees have started something new they will only go in on the left side of the hive. I tried to turn the brood box 180degree on the bottom board and that worked for a day or two now they are all just entering on the left coner and using just about 1/4 of the entrance. Checked the brood frames and everthing looks normal. even moved outer frames to center and center frame to outside. Anyone know why they are doing this or are they just meesing with my head. TIA Marty Article 33314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:38:35 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-854.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33314 I noticed the same thing... facing the hive they are using less than 1/4 the entrance.... on the left side... my other 2 colonies are using the full intrance.... I was going to check the hive today but I got my first bee sting from them and I wasn't anywere near the hives... she stung me right on the top of my ear.... and it still burns.... btw I expect to eventualy get stung... but geese I thought I would have gotten it when I was doing something with the hives... or something stupid like filling their water bucket up.... ( they don't like that ) I have to do it after dark... if I can rember too.... TRIKER wrote in message ... >My bees have started something new they will only go in on the left side of >the hive. I tried to turn the brood box 180degree on the bottom board and >that worked for a day or two now they are all just entering on the left >coner and using just about 1/4 of the entrance. Checked the brood frames >and everthing looks normal. even moved outer frames to center and center >frame to outside. Anyone know why they are doing this or are they just >meesing with my head. > >TIA >Marty > > Article 33315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jovan Jonovski - SNI" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moth Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:57:06 +0200 Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.26.134.195 Message-ID: <3d745df3$1@news.mt.net.mk> X-Trace: 3 Sep 2002 09:00:03 +0100, 195.26.134.195 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.mt.net.mk!195.26.134.195 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33315 Dear group, I know this is more USA centred group, but I was unable to find any european one. I am begginer and I would like to ask two questions 1. I have noticed that one hive doesnot have queen (no brood at all) alos there are signs of moth. actualy i saw one moth under the cover. What to do with this hive? there is some honey in it. 2. What to do with the hive and the combs and honey from such a hive? Is this "contageous" and it could go to the other hives? Jovan Jonovski Macedonia Article 33316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "zainurin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How we test honey Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:36:42 +0800 Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.186.142.122 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.186.142.122 Message-ID: <3d748eda_2@news.tm.net.my> X-Trace: news.tm.net.my 1031048922 210.186.142.122 (3 Sep 2002 18:28:42 +0800) Organization: TMnet Malaysia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news1.tm.net.my Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33316 We add honey to tea, and the tea turn to black. We mixed honey to egg, the egg turn like half boiled. Only good and pure honey can do that. Article 33317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moth Date: 3 Sep 2002 04:35:53 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0209030335.2c71b285@posting.google.com> References: <3d745df3$1@news.mt.net.mk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.29.46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1031052953 9683 127.0.0.1 (3 Sep 2002 11:35:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Sep 2002 11:35:53 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33317 "Jovan Jonovski - SNI" wrote in message news:<3d745df3$1@news.mt.net.mk>... > Dear group, > I know this is more USA centred group, but I was unable to find any european > one. > > I am begginer and I would like to ask two questions > 1. I have noticed that one hive doesnot have queen (no brood at all) alos > there are signs of moth. actualy i saw one moth under the cover. What to do > with this hive? there is some honey in it. > > 2. What to do with the hive and the combs and honey from such a hive? Is > this "contageous" and it could go to the other hives? > > Jovan Jonovski > Macedonia A strong hive will clean up the moths in short order. Article 33318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sticky Truck (long story) Date: 3 Sep 2002 16:38:06 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 56 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0209031538.9809468@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.193.167.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1031096286 21708 127.0.0.1 (3 Sep 2002 23:38:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Sep 2002 23:38:06 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33318 Fellow Beekeepers, I had a couple of two-gallon buckets of honey that had spent the winter in my garage and were quite crystallized. I wanted to melt them and thought that I'd try doing it in my portable solar heater. (The cab of my truck, sitting in the sun, on a hot day, with the windows closed.) My pickup has the extended cab with the small rear seats. I parked my truck at work a few days ago and put the buckets on the rear seat with a towel underneath, just in case something leaked. At the end of the day I went out to the truck and saw that the buckets had both fallen to the floor. I guess with the heat, they had settled down into the seat cushion and become unbalanced until they tipped forward. I went around to the passenger side and opened the door, intending to right the buckets. What I didn't expect, upon opening the door, was a creamy-yellow goo to come oozing out over the threshold and onto the parking lot. (The honey was still partially crystallized and so it had a yellow look instead of clear golden.) Apparently the lid on one bucket had come loose when it fell and leaked about a gallon and a half of the honey all over the passenger side of the truck floor, both front and rear. I quickly shut the door, muttered a few unmentionables, and stood there for a moment looking at the honey dripping from the length of the door seal. I had no time to deal with it at the moment, as I had to pick up my daughter and her friend and take them to a school activity. I left work, picked them up and drove through rush-hour traffic for a while to get to the activity. They both sat there, doing their best to keep their feet off the floor, lest they have a shoe become embedded in the goo. Later that evening, I was able to use a big spoon and bucket and scoop up about a half-gallon of the honey, which I'll use for bee food at some point. The next day, I removed the floor mats, a towel, sweatshirt, newspaper and some mail that had been on the floor and were now dripping with honey. I left them near some of my hives for the bees to clean up. I figure these items had maybe another half gallon of honey on them. This left about a half gallon that was embedded in the carpet of the truck. The following day was Saturday. I started early on the cleanup, but before long the bees discovered my truck and me. I had bees all over as I was trying to scrub hot water into the carpet and then suck it out with my shop vac. (I live in a quiet suburban neighborhood and had more than one neighbor give me funny looks from across the street.) I had to remove the seats, seat belts, side panels, anything that could hide a little honey probably had some. (I even discovered the gasket around the door is made somewhat like a rubber hose and has little drain holes in it. The bottom part of this was full of honey that would keep oozing out to the drain holes, providing a novel type of bee feeder.) Finally by mid afternoon my truck had the best cleaning it has ever seen, and I think I got all the honey. The swarms of robber bees were still buzzing around, but not finding anywhere to feed. Sorry to be so long with this story, but I figured that this was one of the few places where people could appreciate this sort of thing. Isn't beekeeping wonderful? Nuc. Article 33319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D758741.85B8DBC2@hcis.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moth References: <3d745df3$1@news.mt.net.mk> <23e8adb1.0209030335.2c71b285@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:15:49 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 28 X-Trace: sv3-4Wq776p6dyU1pQnHfBK7j4Yzs3Od4VjfLfJISFm4AXjNotvh2zH5x34v6lLQoFMlCvd1R9U3k/JGf8Y!3lBB0FVxKZ0aLKnxClFsQeoCZb1xUXgXdvhUlDir9c7V4xiRbA7b3NlDN6d2S+fSAbQZ X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 02:15:49 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33319 Beecrofter wrote: > "Jovan Jonovski - SNI" wrote in message news:<3d745df3$1@news.mt.net.mk>... > > Dear group, > > I know this is more USA centred group, but I was unable to find any european > > one. > > > > I am begginer and I would like to ask two questions > > 1. I have noticed that one hive doesnot have queen (no brood at all) alos > > there are signs of moth. actualy i saw one moth under the cover. What to do > > with this hive? there is some honey in it. > > > > 2. What to do with the hive and the combs and honey from such a hive? Is > > this "contageous" and it could go to the other hives? > > > > Jovan Jonovski > > Macedonia > > A strong hive will clean up the moths in short order. That's true, a strong hive will keep them at bay, but he pretty much described a hive on its way downhill with no queen or brood. The moths will move in pretty quick and do lots of damage. I would suggest freezing the frames from that hive for a few days to kill any eggs and installing them in a strong hive for cleanup. AL Article 33320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D758644.FB1ACEAC@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moth References: <3d745df3$1@news.mt.net.mk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 06:01:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.249 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc03.gnilink.net 1031119264 67.251.117.249 (Wed, 04 Sep 2002 02:01:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 02:01:04 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc03.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33320 Jovan Jonovski - SNI wrote: > > Dear group, > I know this is more USA centred group, but I was unable to find any european > one. > > I am begginer and I would like to ask two questions > 1. I have noticed that one hive doesnot have queen (no brood at all) alos > there are signs of moth. actualy i saw one moth under the cover. What to do > with this hive? there is some honey in it. > > 2. What to do with the hive and the combs and honey from such a hive? Is > this "contageous" and it could go to the other hives? > > Jovan Jonovski > Macedonia If your hive is strong, they will clean out the moths. When I find a moth or egg sack, I destroy them myself if I can. If you don't have a queen and the hive gets too weak, the moths will take over. I have had hives that were completely infested with moths and had only a few bees remaining. I froze the hives in a deep freezer and then cleaned the frames and reused them. Moths can make a real mess! Plus, they can destroy frames by chewing through the wood. Moths aren't contagious in the sense that foulbrood and other things are. I bought a chemical (can't think of the name offhand) to treat the supers against moth infestation. Good luck. I hope that you have a queen and that the hive survives. Louise Hudson, North Carolina USA -- Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn | a whole people. --William Penn Article 33321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ben Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sticky Truck (long story) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:32:46 +0100 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <9936fa52.0209031538.9809468@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-212-159-160-115.access.uk.tiscali.com (212.159.160.115) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1031128367 56408803 212.159.160.115 (16 [141806]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dial-212-159-160-115.access.uk.tiscali.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33321 Nuc Skep wrote: > The next day, I removed the floor mats, a towel, sweatshirt, newspaper > and some mail that had been on the floor and were now dripping with > honey. I left them near some of my hives for the bees to clean up. I > figure these items had maybe another half gallon of honey on them. > This left about a half gallon that was embedded in the carpet of the > truck. The following day was Saturday. I started early on the > cleanup, but before long the bees discovered my truck and me. I had > bees all over as I was trying to scrub hot water into the carpet and > then suck it out with my shop vac. (I live in a quiet suburban > neighborhood and had more than one neighbor give me funny looks from > across the street.) I had to remove the seats, seat belts, side > panels, anything that could hide a little honey probably had some. (I > even discovered the gasket around the door is made somewhat like a > rubber hose and has little drain holes in it. The bottom part of this > was full of honey that would keep oozing out to the drain holes, > providing a novel type of bee feeder.) Finally by mid afternoon my > truck had the best cleaning it has ever seen, and I think I got all > the honey. The swarms of robber bees were still buzzing around, but > not finding anywhere to feed. > Next time why not just park the van near the hives with the doors open, the bees will clean it up for free. Ben. Article 33322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: my observations Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:06:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1031162786 12.86.120.227 (Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:06:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:06:26 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:889 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33322 Hello, Installed my queen on 8/29/02.... For reference I have been observing larva and pupa (mostly pupa) being taken out of the hive dead... some of them are partially "eaten" it appears. 9/04/02 12:00pm CST Opened hive to check on queen release. Queen was released. Queen was also found on comb. Saw no eggs but that may be because of lack of experience or not enough time for her to begin laying. I saw a few larva in differing sizes, and lots of capped brood. This is obviously from the former queen that I was givin these frames from. Problems: Found several on each from of brood of pupa partially or fully uncapped. They are in the purple eye stage and obviously at this stage this is not normal. So I assume these pupa are dead and the workers are getting ready to clear the cells. I also observed 2 small hive bettles in hivetop feeder, so hive bettle infestation is confirmed. I also found on the bottom board lots of debris and in this debris I found worm like larva of what I assume to be the small hive bettle. Mold is also forming in the hive top feeder. I am now pretty sure that the dead pupa being dropped at entrance are victims of the small hive bettle since it is said the bettle will eat any and all things as it goes through the comb. _______________________________ Ok, that was my notes from this inspection... your thoughts? your proposed solutions? I assume I need to order some checkmite for the bettles. Many thanks, and I welcome your advise on this small hive bettle treatment.... how to treat etc. Article 33323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moth Date: 4 Sep 2002 19:08:03 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0209041808.220205fa@posting.google.com> References: <3d745df3$1@news.mt.net.mk> <23e8adb1.0209030335.2c71b285@posting.google.com> <3D758741.85B8DBC2@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.14.242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1031191683 18140 127.0.0.1 (5 Sep 2002 02:08:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Sep 2002 02:08:03 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33323 > A strong hive will clean up the moths in short order. > > That's true, a strong hive will keep them at bay, but he pretty much described a hive on its way > downhill with no queen or brood. The moths will move in pretty quick and do lots of damage When I said a strong hive will take care of the moths I meant to suggest he combine his weak queenless hive with a strong queenright hive. Article 33325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Sting Index X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3D77C476.21E51A6A@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:54:14 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!nntp5.savvis.net!uunet!dfw.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33325 FYI... http://www.udel.edu/SynClim/disisting.html Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 33326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "david" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1031196601.457608@spynews5> Subject: ants Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 03:03:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.200.242 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1031281416 165.247.200.242 (Thu, 05 Sep 2002 20:03:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 20:03:36 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33326 does anyone have a good idea to stop the ants ... i have tried chemicals .. to kill the colony ... water in cans with the hives up on a stand ??????????? I see all the comercial guys with the hives on the ground why dont the ants get into their hives or do they ? David Article 33327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1031196601.457608@spynews5> Subject: Re: ants Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 05:20:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1031289654 12.86.120.69 (Fri, 06 Sep 2002 05:20:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 05:20:54 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33327 I also have had problems with ants... it appears they only pose a problem with a newly established/weak hive. I had a swarm and the ants were all over the place... but they left and I got 5 frames of brood and the bees to go with it and I don't see a single ant except around the entrance cleaning up the dead bees they cart out. So I guess once you get them strong the ants actually help the hive.... but until then I know it can be a pain. Some suggested ant baits, ground drenches, stands with oil moat around legs. Now you can get some gardstar ground drench and I think that would take out the ants, and another problem you are bound to have if you are in the south... the small hive beetle. I am currently having problems with this beetle. "david" wrote in message news:cWUd9.10426$LI2.708060@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > does anyone have a good idea to stop the ants ... > > i have tried chemicals .. to kill the colony ... water in cans with the > hives up on a stand ??????????? > > I see all the comercial guys with the hives on the ground why dont the ants > get into their hives or do they ? > > David > > Article 33328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ymurti@yahoo.com (Yajna) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wax foundation Date: 6 Sep 2002 02:31:48 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.131.170.13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1031304709 31880 127.0.0.1 (6 Sep 2002 09:31:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Sep 2002 09:31:49 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33328 Can some one tell me where can I buy wax foundation? I am in Portsmouth. Thank You! Article 33329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Sep 2002 19:32:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Propolis, can you actually sell it? Message-ID: <20020906153232.23235.00001501@mb-co.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33329 Hi Guys, So if your in the states or elsewere. Can you actualy sell Propolis Everybody talks about it being a sellable comomidity. But no one ever offers to sell it I got one heathy supplier to say its wholesale value is about $8.00 an once but they did not offer to buy it either? So does anyone know were or who to sell it too? Then what does it sell for raw? Cheers, Dave In Madison,WI USA Article 33330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: brittandthatsall@yahoo.com (Britt Childress) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding and Fall Buildup Date: 6 Sep 2002 13:56:08 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.157.242.215 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1031345768 8983 127.0.0.1 (6 Sep 2002 20:56:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Sep 2002 20:56:08 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33330 "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:... > "Britt Childress" wrote in message > news:oMwa9.70101$%v4.2874029@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com... > > Better watch feeding them this time of year- you might stimulate the queen > > to lay, then the workers will have to support the larvae, which get fed > > about every two minutes. > > Actually it is approximately every 20 minutes. ~--> This is from Clemson Uiversity's 1999 publication "Keeping Bees In South Carolina" and is in several bee physiology textbooks as well. > Britt) > You will have too high a population when winter does come. > (Peter) > I think this unlikely - it is good to have plenty of young bees going into > winter. The important thing is to control varroa so that those young bees > are free from deformed wing virus. (Britt response) ~--> Pollen stimulates the queen to lay. When pollen is present (as it is in the fall when late-season plants and trees flower for the year) the queen is all ready to go laying eggs- she gauges her last major lay of the year on nectar coming in. So how can her brood (which will hatch in 3 weeks) which need to warmed and fed, be of some use to the colony in the now-distant "nectar flow" (read: sugar feeding)? The bees will eat all the food until its gone. And spring's replenishment is months away. It happens to people trying to "help their colonies" this time of year. Feed now, you'll have to feed that much more this winter. This is of course only data collected by our local bee associations experiences. It may vary in your area depending on its temperance. One way to feed and suppress laying is by using pollen traps to prevent workers bringing all the pollen the want into the hive. Beware you must have a trap that allows SOME pollen to make it into the brood chamber as it is required for all life functions in the bee. Britt Childress- South Carolina Article 33331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Jared Dyer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Relocating Swarms, How Far So They Wont Return? Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.570 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GC-Trace: gv1-PclpuQhcPIPSvpnRMShskjMKoDcSzNUHFE8 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 07:13:36 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 84 X-Trace: sv3-tV4Ur/SL6kLX61hGv5QvJ6Y7U7s6tgKjTBxKq83Ylp8T1d/tvnh1tuBiWRVrGN8q3uhfV7cLMN9Tlg7!Ars4ExtqC540wOXWSRYmCRsTTrlX6hKOck0NvWiDkhPWyQ/5QKLSO0EMPqZ58AnC7/kh0vou7+BU!wajT X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 12:13:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33331 On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:24:45 +0200, "nor600w@tninet.se" wrote: >Hi > >There is two different behaviour that may be involved > >Normal conditions > Let the swarm sit in a hive for a few days and move at night as one >answer suggested. >If conditions is normal (= nektar or other food source is available) the its >enough to move the bees 2,5-3 miles and they wont fly back. > > >Food shortage > Most species of bees that has it's origin in areas which yearly are >subjected to draughts do have a migratory behaviour. I.e. the whole hive >moves and can do short stops and collect some food and the move one. >With this behaviour they can move much more than 20 miles. What I read >suggestes up to and maybee more than 100 miles. Many of the african bees has >this migratory behaviour which would mean that if the canion has to much >bees already (=food shortage) some of the bees will migrate. > >The bees originating in Europe the just to sitt and starve when there is >food shortage. > >I would contact a larger local beekeeper and contract him to take care of >your beeproblem. >He would know if the bees are "keepable" or should be terminated. > > >How did the bird die? Tried to eat the bees or did they get attacked? Sorry about the delayed responce. They were attacked and only the colorful ones got stung. Female birds with plain colors were left alone. Thanks for the help. Jared > >If they got attacked one way of keeping agressive bees from swarming in to >your zoo area could be to over populate it with nice and friendly bees >making the area less attractive for migrating swarms > > >Hope you solve your problem > >Magnus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Jared Dyer" skrev i meddelandet >news:s93omukh1v80vec5nk9hb4q9t28ahqmdmr@4ax.com... >> I perform vector control at a local zoo and we currently have swarm >> traps out. We've been getting overwhelmed by swarms due to a drought >> in the area and started using swarm traps as a tool to help draw them >> away from the public and animal enclosures. So far it's been very >> successful. >> >> The problem I've been having, it appears the same bee's are >> returning after I release them a few miles away. How far do I need to >> drive them to ensure they won't return back to the zoo? >> >> >> Thanks, >> Jared > Article 33332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D7A1DA2.907@hotmail.com> From: John Clayton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My Beekeeping Website Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GC-Trace: gv1-gZeKUvHN0zGQieLqJhd6kaupfehevLczTMCRw0= NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 10:39:16 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 12 X-Trace: sv3-V34YJ32UCxBCofvNq+sWeiKrIdem0B28AyuXqCuktXje2y/IVbtJP8aCPcc1Dl1iqje5NOnqZFVkFue!+54mOhPo1ytmr38lAF5PHeP0eZuLbKdTM8DfwKRJnnsm2ln1jiKChZUk5brEeno//QFIYQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 15:39:16 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!central.cox.net!cox.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33332 Hello All :) I've been teaching Novice Beekeeping through my web site for nearly 5 years. I hope you all get a chance to check it out. http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm is the main Beekeeping Page - I fully cover all of last years bee yard adventures through my on-line logbook and have over 20 dedicated sections covering all of beekeeping basics. Enjoy my site and I hope you email me. John Clayton Beemaster.com Article 33333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D7A2266.10105@comcast.net> From: John Clayton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My Massive Beekeeping Site for Beginners... 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I hope you all get a chance to check it out. http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm is the main Beekeeping Page - I fully cover all of last years bee yard adventures through my on-line logbook and have over 20 dedicated sections covering all of beekeeping basics. Enjoy my site and I hope you email me. John Clayton Beemaster.com Article 33334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Korver" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USING ONLY 1/4 OF THE ENTRANCE Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 19:30:52 +0200 Organization: XO Communications B.V. Lines: 30 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: hmm-dca-ap01-d08-175.dial.freesurf.nl X-Trace: azure.nl.gxn.net 1031419847 20609 62.100.41.175 (7 Sep 2002 17:30:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@freesurf.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Sep 2002 17:30:47 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2.euro.net!blue.nl.gxn.net!azure.nl.gxn.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33334 TRIKER and WUFFMAN wrote about bees using only a quarter of the entrance. To TRIKER; yes you seem to be messing with your own head. The bees do not know that it looks nicer to you if they use the full entrance: - Maybe the bees are taking the shortest route to the food source. - Maybe the bees are taking the shortest route to the frames where most of the activity is for the present. - Maybe they have their airconditioning on and it is easier to come in with the wind than against the wind. All experienced beekeepers will admit that looking back they probably all over-manipulated their hives in the early days of their hobby. As soon as one has more experience one realises that although you learned a lot yourself, for the bees all these manipulations were very disruptive. It must be disruptive for a hive to be turned around 180 degrees. Worse, to move frames out of the centre and replace them with frames on the outside is just as disruptive and should normally only be done if you have a good reason for doing so. You may be moving young larvae to the outside without moving their nurse bees with them. You could chill young larvae on the outside. You may have disrupted the queen's laying pattern because the cells in which she wanted to deposit eggs have suddenly disappeared etc. Bob. Article 33335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis, can you actually sell it? Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 23:59:47 +0100 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <061lnu831ktf3hsevn9k7jbj2fdl9k1pdq@4ax.com> References: <20020906153232.23235.00001501@mb-co.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-8.dorthonion.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1031439268 30203 62.136.157.8 (7 Sep 2002 22:54:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Sep 2002 22:54:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33335 Yes, I'm interested in the answer as well in the UK. Who wants to buy? What type of buyer? On 06 Sep 2002 19:32:32 GMT, lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) wrote: >Hi Guys, > So if your in the states or elsewere. Can you actualy sell Propolis Everybody >talks about it being a sellable comomidity. But no one ever offers to sell it I >got one heathy supplier to say its wholesale value is about $8.00 an once but >they did not offer to buy it either? > So does anyone know were or who to sell it too? Then what does it sell for >raw? >Cheers, >Dave >In Madison,WI USA Article 33336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 07 Sep 2002 23:02:27 GMT References: <061lnu831ktf3hsevn9k7jbj2fdl9k1pdq@4ax.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Propolis, can you actually sell it? Message-ID: <20020907190227.04148.00002189@mb-cf.news.cs.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33336 CC Pollen in Arizona buys propolis at $8.00lb. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 33337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bitter Honey Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 17:07:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.58.59.63 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1031504866 65.58.59.63 (Sun, 08 Sep 2002 10:07:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 10:07:46 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33337 I extracted some honey this year that has a bitter aftertaste. It is pretty good honey, but after it goes down, there is a bitterness. Has anyone ever experienced this? Any ideas on what they may have made it from? I only taste it if I taste the honey by itself - put it on food (e.g. toast) and I don't notice it. Thanks, George Denver, CO, USA Article 33338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D7B4CE4.A95E9D6E@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis, can you actually sell it? References: <20020906153232.23235.00001501@mb-co.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:01:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.210 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc04.gnilink.net 1031508107 67.251.117.210 (Sun, 08 Sep 2002 14:01:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 14:01:47 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc04.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33338 Lazurus106 wrote: > > Hi Guys, > So if your in the states or elsewere. Can you actualy sell Propolis Everybody > talks about it being a sellable comomidity. But no one ever offers to sell it I > got one heathy supplier to say its wholesale value is about $8.00 an once but > they did not offer to buy it either? > So does anyone know were or who to sell it too? Then what does it sell for > raw? > Cheers, > Dave > In Madison,WI USA I think that Brushy Mountain Bee Farm in Wilkesboro, North Carolina, buys it. The last time that I was there, a fellow had huge chunks that he was selling to the Bee Farm. I think that they offer credit for it; I'm not sure. They buy foundation wax, too. You could visit their website to see. My bees are about 18 miles from Brush Mountain Bee Farm, so it is very convenient for me to go there for supplies. Louise Adderholdt Hudson, NC (and Boomer, NC) Article 33339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peem" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do you know... 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Article 33340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <47be5dfd.0207201102.123ea343@posting.google.com> <5glqmusjgddcfg1vgt47h68i5oo4gurbkt@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Beekeeping in Denver CO area? 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What time of year does knapweed bloom? My bees put this stuff up in June, I think. My bees are on hwy 93 outside of Golden. Thanks, George "Matthew W." wrote in message news:5glqmusjgddcfg1vgt47h68i5oo4gurbkt@4ax.com... ......> Our best (Colorado) honeycrop is Knapweed - which is the greatest > honey in 5 states. Not too sweet, has a slight green color to it, a > zesty finish and takes nearly a year to crystalize. The extension > agency now says South-Denver is the #1 capital for knapweed across the > U.S. I wonder though if other state extensions say the same thing to > their residents... In the city limits you're likely to get anything - > from noxious yellow-spurge to highly sweet and thin wildflower. > Some crystalize quickly so I would suggest extracting in mid august. > Personally I can't stand anything after tasting Knapweed. > ... Article 33341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis, can you actually sell it? Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 23:44:09 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <20020906153232.23235.00001501@mb-co.aol.com> <3D7B4CE4.A95E9D6E@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-20.beleg.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1031524722 29570 62.136.136.148 (8 Sep 2002 22:38:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2002 22:38:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33341 OK, but WHY do they buy it. What are they doing with it? Who, what type of company in the UK would buy propolis? It's like venom, you see the Ukranian people advertising venom on this group, but who actually buys the stuff? On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:01:47 GMT, Louise Adderholdt wrote: ....>I think that Brushy Mountain Bee Farm in Wilkesboro, North Carolina,>buys it. Article 33342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Angela and Keith Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bitter Honey Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:49:40 -0400 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYGSPPKNkG4YFHEzGkflnkTNUYscbrW5jYnN/OpEzHFie3sRzYU9IuV X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2002 23:49:42 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.gol.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33342 "George" wrote in message news:CtLe9.15397$6i4.1259944@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I extracted some honey this year that has a bitter aftertaste. It is > pretty good honey, but after it goes down, there is a bitterness. Has > anyone ever experienced this? Any ideas on what they may have made it from? > > I only taste it if I taste the honey by itself - put it on food (e.g. toast) > and I don't notice it. > > Thanks, > > George > Denver, CO, USA George, Here in Virginia we get a short flow in late May/early June from Ailanthus (Tree of heaven). The honey is very light, with a nice starting flavor followed by a nasty after taste. Blended with other honeys the after taste is still noticable, but it's not nearly so bad. Keith > > Article 33343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bitter Honey Date: 8 Sep 2002 17:18:52 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0209081618.4ec6c4c8@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.30.232 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1031530732 12848 127.0.0.1 (9 Sep 2002 00:18:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Sep 2002 00:18:52 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33343 "George" wrote in message news:... > I extracted some honey this year that has a bitter aftertaste. It is > pretty good honey, but after it goes down, there is a bitterness. Has > anyone ever experienced this? Any ideas on what they may have made it from? > > I only taste it if I taste the honey by itself - put it on food (e.g. toast) > and I don't notice it. > > Thanks, > > George > Denver, CO, USA Got a lot of privet hedges in your area? Privet makes a bitter taste. Article 33344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D7C7743.9080308@comcast.net> From: John Clayton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do you know... 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Over 90 pages, 30 topics and 400 images, all beekeeping related. I teach beekeeping to schools, 4H clubs and scouts through the Internet. Here is my Beekeeping site Address: http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm Also, check out my HOME PAGE http://www.beemaster.com where you'll find 30 more topics, including travel, cooking, etc.. Also, I recommend the book ( $19.95 us ) Beekeeping for Dummies, by Howland Blackiston - I did many images for this book, including the covershot. The book is a complete HOW TO GUIDE in the simplest laymans terms available. Let me know if it is helpful. John Clayton Beemaster.com Peem wrote: > Fellow Beekeepers, > > the BEST website about beekeeping - could you help me? > > > P. > > Article 33345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Matthew W. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bitter Honey - awful, nasty, Yellow Spurge? Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 09:03:57 -0600 Organization: Zilch Message-ID: <1ncpnu0o0r7q22a0suqli25jh3so7u99jq@4ax.com> Reply-To: replyto References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 55 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33345 Hi George, I have bees within 10 miles of you (or closer) right against the foothills. Those bees brought in something of what you're describing in taste around mid-summer but I remember it being reddish/dark brown. I've pulled out feral hives around Denver with some of this darker honey and surmize it's likely Yellow Spurge. Spurge is the nastiest honey I've ever tasted. Of what I remember, it's so much heavier than clover that it'll separate out like oil and water if you mix it with lighter honey. But with a little creative marketing you can still sell it! There are several articles out concerning the anti-oxidant qualities of darker honey. On a general scale apparently the darker the better when it comes to "anti-oxidants" - some as much as 200 times the lighter honeys (such as clover). So it tastes bad? For people looking for 'healing' honey the bad taste would be a bonus! Knapweed is nearly white - very clear with a slight golden tint. If you look through a jar you'll notice a lime green color to it but you'll never see the green while in the comb. Knapweed is fantastic honey, never bitter. You can sell if for double what you get for others. The zest at the end of your taste is more like a carbonated drink - leaving your tongue dry and wanting more... To answer your question - another great thing about Knapweed is that it blooms all season long. For you the season should be ~May 15 to Oct 15. The bees here are heavily working it (as of Sep 8) and the only thing saving them from winter starvation (drought killed everything else). Knapweed is very drought tolerant and needs a couple weeks of good - wet- weather to really give a good honey crop. You can get a super a week easily on an a decent Knapweed flow. Specialize your honey! Specialize your price! Matthew Westall - "E-Bees" - Castle Rock, CO On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 17:07:46 GMT, "George" wrote: >Mathew: > >You may have answered my post about bitter honey. (See "Bitter Honey" >posted 9/8/02) > >Your description of knapweed honey sounds like mine. "...has a slight green >color to it, a zesty finish..."(seems bitter to me). What time of year does >knapweed bloom? My bees put this stuff up in June, I think. > >My bees are on hwy 93 outside of Golden. > >Thanks, > >George > Article 33347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1ncpnu0o0r7q22a0suqli25jh3so7u99jq@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Bitter Honey - awful, nasty, Yellow Spurge? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:23:25 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 22 X-Trace: sv3-vOH2bz+BNZBWQmCCZsNF6dwypjGaRbyMmOfYlscgdIHJAHAbdJ7Aiw+5wkSXapJvYko0YWRf/gioehR!lPvw1ClJsIYxOwHnzjaoSor9F+FoKcrQNM8uunfBzI9gkEgXaknL4IIMyfw1uZDyWL0/VJqTbghW!CB7Hyyct3O2bTGw= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:23:25 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.frii.net!140.99.99.194.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33347 "Matthew W." > There are several articles out concerning the anti-oxidant > qualities of darker honey. On a general scale apparently the darker > the better when it comes to "anti-oxidants" - some as much as 200 > times the lighter honeys (such as clover). So it tastes bad? For > people looking for 'healing' honey the bad taste would be a bonus! Hey Matthew: Where might one obtain reprints of these articles? Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 33348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Screened Bottom Boards and Winter? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3D7CD8EE.F20D1156@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <3D7CBFB4.A60FA0CC@uidaho.eduNOSPAM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:22:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33348 Matthew, I overwintered mine on screened bottoms last Winter with zero losses. I'm in Southern Kansas though and my winters aren't as severe as yours. I'm a hobbyist and I also use those hive stands available through brushy mountain that enclose the area under the bottom board, so I'm sure that this cuts down on the draftiness. They make it easier to do the sticky board tests. Billy Smart Rock, KS Matthew Pollard wrote: > > I would like to put in screened bottom boards. Do i need to take any > precautions for the winter with them? Do i need to worry about drafts? > What do i put the hives w/ screened bottom boards on? I mean should i > put a piece of plywood under each screened bottom board or do i just put > the hives back on the 2 rail-road ties with plenty of potential > air-drafts under them? > > I live in northern Idaho where the winter temperature is typically > 18-25F. But each winter we'll have a "cold" spell where we drop closer > to zero (0-15F) for a week. (every 10 years we get to about -20F BTW). > > Thanks > matthew > moscow ID Article 33350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D7D07EE.1A54B135@hcis.net> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:43:26 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bitter Honey - awful, nasty, Yellow Spurge? References: <1ncpnu0o0r7q22a0suqli25jh3so7u99jq@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.225.38 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1031596044 66.20.225.38 (9 Sep 2002 13:27:24 -0500) Lines: 17 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news-out.newsfeeds.com!l2!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33350 "Matthew W." wrote: > There are several articles out concerning the anti-oxidant > qualities of darker honey. On a general scale apparently the darker > the better when it comes to "anti-oxidants" - some as much as 200 > times the lighter honeys (such as clover). So it tastes bad? For > people looking for 'healing' honey the bad taste would be a bonus! AWRIGHT!!! What's my bid on some healin' Goldenrod? AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 33351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 09 Sep 2002 19:21:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Selling Propolis Message-ID: <20020909152115.20402.00002967@mb-fs.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33351 Greeting Kinsman, I called Beehive Botanicals and they are offering $4-6 per pound I didn't bother asking what the differance was between. Not worth the work to save it I think the lot will get pitched on the flower bed Course if you consider that the wholesale price is $7.90 an once, just who are they kidding. Maybe we need to set up a coop and get a little of our own. Cheers, Dave in Madison,WI USA Article 33352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bitter Honey - awful, nasty, Yellow Spurge? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:52:40 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <1ncpnu0o0r7q22a0suqli25jh3so7u99jq@4ax.com> <3D7D07EE.1A54B135@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-080.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33352 I was told goldenrod jhoney is really good to cook with or make mead.... but if you realy want to sell it Im sure I can find some buyers here in oregon... healthfood nuts would pay an arm and a leg for it... I thing retail price now is over 3.00 a lb... and health food stores charge 3x that maybe more if it is comb honey.... "AL" wrote in message news:3D7D07EE.1A54B135@hcis.net... > "Matthew W." wrote: > > > There are several articles out concerning the anti-oxidant > > qualities of darker honey. On a general scale apparently the darker > > the better when it comes to "anti-oxidants" - some as much as 200 > > times the lighter honeys (such as clover). So it tastes bad? For > > people looking for 'healing' honey the bad taste would be a bonus! > > > AWRIGHT!!! What's my bid on some healin' Goldenrod? > > AL > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 33353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screened Bottom Boards and Winter? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:54:21 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <3D7CBFB4.A60FA0CC@uidaho.eduNOSPAM> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-122.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33353 Does anyone have a pattern to make screened bottom boards? Id like to build some and try them out... I read on some web site that it can reduce mites by 40% Brian "Matthew Pollard" wrote in message news:3D7CBFB4.A60FA0CC@uidaho.eduNOSPAM... > > I would like to put in screened bottom boards. Do i need to take any > precautions for the winter with them? Do i need to worry about drafts? > What do i put the hives w/ screened bottom boards on? I mean should i > put a piece of plywood under each screened bottom board or do i just put > the hives back on the 2 rail-road ties with plenty of potential > air-drafts under them? > > I live in northern Idaho where the winter temperature is typically > 18-25F. But each winter we'll have a "cold" spell where we drop closer > to zero (0-15F) for a week. (every 10 years we get to about -20F BTW). > > Thanks > matthew > moscow ID Article 33354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1ncpnu0o0r7q22a0suqli25jh3so7u99jq@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Bitter Honey - awful, nasty, Yellow Spurge? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <_fef9.427443$Aw4.17965045@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 23:09:30 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 33 X-Trace: sv3-gP8SiNZ5wp1JNvF5hI4tROmy89Zaar4lU5xoq6M6sVN+nplcz4C8HbYEe90m6RqCBMCfe/pgPX//ioN!tyAy9vd/n1kCPJJxvEoDC9mLMkGhzoAW3u77PK9MYmdM+6/DGQ6QMSDkWEe60SrX22kDcO2huQ3l!tDo5rGUr/5Ybxag= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 04:09:30 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33354 First "Matthew W." wrote: > > > There are several articles out concerning the anti-oxidant > > qualities of darker honey. On a general scale apparently the darker > > the better when it comes to "anti-oxidants" - some as much as 200 > > times the lighter honeys (such as clover). So it tastes bad? For > > people looking for 'healing' honey the bad taste would be a bonus! Then I asked: > Hey Matthew: > > Where might one obtain reprints of these articles? Matthew replied privately but has a spam block on his addy, so the answer is here: http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc98/9_12_98/Bob1.htm Interesting article... Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 33355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Matthew W. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bitter Honey - awful, nasty, Yellow Spurge? Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:54:20 -0600 Organization: Zilch Message-ID: <9atqnuomt9gle4j4eomnji4j71o77vs25k@4ax.com> Reply-To: replyto References: <1ncpnu0o0r7q22a0suqli25jh3so7u99jq@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 61 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33355 Here's some articles concerning my comment of honey & antioxidants: (took all of 3 seconds to find with "google" and keywords - "anitioxidant honey science":) http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc98/9_12_98/content.htm Focus on study by UI: http://www.news.uiuc.edu/scitips/02/0408honey.html Scienceagogo: http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20020721175945data_trunc_sys.shtml another: http://www.cosmiverse.com/science04090205.html Most of the articles probably focus on a couple studies made by UI in the late 90's (99 &??) concerning antioxidants in honey. Did I hear a pin drop or was that price of 'terrible-tasting honey' going up? If the honey your bees brought in tastes something like honeydew, perhaps you should keep a copy of these articles on hand to stave off an assault .... "A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down" ? "How about a spoonful of glucose helps the fructose go down?"...there's a joke or jingle in there someplace Matthew Westall - "E-Bees" - Castle Rock, CO On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:23:25 GMT, "The Rock Garden" wrote: >"Matthew W." > >> There are several articles out concerning the anti-oxidant >> qualities of darker honey. On a general scale apparently the darker >> the better when it comes to "anti-oxidants" - some as much as 200 >> times the lighter honeys (such as clover). So it tastes bad? For >> people looking for 'healing' honey the bad taste would be a bonus! > > >Hey Matthew: > >Where might one obtain reprints of these articles? > > > >Skip & Christy Hensler >THE ROCK GARDEN >Newport, WA >http://www.povn.com/rock/ > > Article 33356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D7D1F62.D307EACE@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bitter Honey References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:01:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.215 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1031637708 67.251.117.215 (Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:01:48 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:01:48 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33356 George wrote: > > I extracted some honey this year that has a bitter aftertaste. It is > pretty good honey, but after it goes down, there is a bitterness. Has > anyone ever experienced this? Any ideas on what they may have made it from? > > I only taste it if I taste the honey by itself - put it on food (e.g. toast) > and I don't notice it. > > Thanks, > > George > Denver, CO, USA Do you have mimosa trees? They give honey a bad taste. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn | a whole people. --William Penn Article 33357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <23e8adb1.0209081618.4ec6c4c8@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Bitter Honey Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:27:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.58.59.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1031660874 65.58.59.134 (Tue, 10 Sep 2002 05:27:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 05:27:54 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33357 Don't think it's Privett - that a lingustrum shrub, right? "Beecrofter" wrote in message news:23e8adb1.0209081618.4ec6c4c8@posting.google.com... > "George" wrote in message news:... > > I extracted some honey this year that has a bitter aftertaste. It is > > pretty good honey, but after it goes down, there is a bitterness. Has > > anyone ever experienced this? Any ideas on what they may have made it from? > > > > I only taste it if I taste the honey by itself - put it on food (e.g. toast) > > and I don't notice it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > George > > Denver, CO, USA > > Got a lot of privet hedges in your area? > Privet makes a bitter taste. > Article 33358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1ncpnu0o0r7q22a0suqli25jh3so7u99jq@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Bitter Honey - awful, nasty, Yellow Spurge? Lines: 73 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:33:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.58.59.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1031661219 65.58.59.134 (Tue, 10 Sep 2002 05:33:39 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 05:33:39 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33358 Matthew: Thanks. I quess it's not knapweed, then. Mine is darker. It's not bad tasting - really it's pretty good but with that strange bitter aftertaste. How did your bees do this year? I heard about bees starving in Colorado, but mine (just 2 hives) are doing better than ever. That was surprising to me with this drought. Any bear problems? Mine were destroyed 2 years ago by one. George "Matthew W." wrote in message news:1ncpnu0o0r7q22a0suqli25jh3so7u99jq@4ax.com... > Hi George, > > I have bees within 10 miles of you (or closer) right against the > foothills. Those bees brought in something of what you're describing > in taste around mid-summer but I remember it being reddish/dark brown. > I've pulled out feral hives around Denver with some of this darker > honey and surmize it's likely Yellow Spurge. Spurge is the nastiest > honey I've ever tasted. Of what I remember, it's so much heavier than > clover that it'll separate out like oil and water if you mix it with > lighter honey. But with a little creative marketing you can still > sell it! > There are several articles out concerning the anti-oxidant > qualities of darker honey. On a general scale apparently the darker > the better when it comes to "anti-oxidants" - some as much as 200 > times the lighter honeys (such as clover). So it tastes bad? For > people looking for 'healing' honey the bad taste would be a bonus! > > Knapweed is nearly white - very clear with a slight golden tint. If > you look through a jar you'll notice a lime green color to it but > you'll never see the green while in the comb. Knapweed is fantastic > honey, never bitter. You can sell if for double what you get for > others. The zest at the end of your taste is more like a carbonated > drink - leaving your tongue dry and wanting more... > To answer your question - another great thing about Knapweed is that > it blooms all season long. For you the season should be ~May 15 to > Oct 15. The bees here are heavily working it (as of Sep 8) and the > only thing saving them from winter starvation (drought killed > everything else). Knapweed is very drought tolerant and needs a > couple weeks of good - wet- weather to really give a good honey crop. > You can get a super a week easily on an a decent Knapweed flow. > > Specialize your honey! Specialize your price! > > Matthew Westall - "E-Bees" - Castle Rock, CO > > > > > On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 17:07:46 GMT, "George" wrote: > > >Mathew: > > > >You may have answered my post about bitter honey. (See "Bitter Honey" > >posted 9/8/02) > > > >Your description of knapweed honey sounds like mine. "...has a slight green > >color to it, a zesty finish..."(seems bitter to me). What time of year does > >knapweed bloom? My bees put this stuff up in June, I think. > > > >My bees are on hwy 93 outside of Golden. > > > >Thanks, > > > >George > > > Article 33359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Matthew W. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: unusual flow in a drought area - Colorado Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:58:15 -0600 Organization: Zilch Message-ID: <834snu4ntm5hgfu2ndostlsg9l7k0tt94k@4ax.com> Reply-To: replyto References: <1ncpnu0o0r7q22a0suqli25jh3so7u99jq@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 71 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33359 Hi George (and all) For those that don't know it, Colorado is one of those states hit hard by the drought this year. Feilds usully 5 feet high in meadow grass are barren or replaced by weeds. Our bees had a tough time in most (all?) locations. BUT - like you George, I have a few hives in the right place. Around Berthoud, CO (downstream from Carter Lake) there is still quite a bit of agriculture going on and they were one of the lucky communities to still have water flowing for irrigation. My 70-80 hives down in Castle Rock were -completely- starving and gave me a miserable experience everytime they were fed (robbing stings) up until the rains started ~2 weeks ago. Expecting to find the same dismal conditions to my group of 8 hives in Berthoud you can imagine how astonished I was to find hives supered over my head - full to the teeth! One hive gave me a deep and 3 supers, another 4 supers...and my truck was so loaded down I couldn't even take any from the remaining 3 hives. Every one was honey-bound. Last year (2001) I had learned the hard way that this area takes in some early honey. Usually we'll super hives around May 15'th but I had driven up to find all the hives honey-bound. The season was already over for them by May'15'th. So I thought I'd be smart this year and super my Berthoud hives in February. I had extra supers so I threw on 2 extra ono my biggest hive which teetered about 8' tall - thinking "wouldn't it be funny if the hive actually used that last super". It wasn't funny trying to bring down a FULL 65 lb super from that far over my head!!!!! AMAZING site! What are they working??? There's solid acres of sunflowers (grown for seed) nearby but I've never heard of them as strong nectar plants. Anyone? The honey is light, nearly white, tastes like clover BUT it will crystalize rapidly - usually within 3 months. Roughly half of the weight extracted was thrown back onto hives because it was crystalizing. Great food for my starving bees down here. But I haven't yet figured out what my Berthoud bees are working. I can tell the direction. It looks like a funnel cloud of bees all going one direction - and same direction as last year. So if I find some time next year I'll follow the flow and drive to find whatever they're after. AMAZING plant! George - as for bears see my next post regarding a USDA study on non-lethal means to discourage bears. Matthew Westall - "E-Bees" - Castle Rock, CO (and for those that want to email me: qualityramREMOVEthis@ANDTHAT@yahoo.ie (reconstruct my address by removing the "REMOVEthis@ANDTHAT" (despise spam) On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:33:39 GMT, "George" wrote: >Matthew: > >Thanks. I quess it's not knapweed, then. Mine is darker. It's not bad >tasting - really it's pretty good but with that strange bitter aftertaste. > >How did your bees do this year? I heard about bees starving in Colorado, >but mine (just 2 hives) are doing better than ever. That was surprising to >me with this drought. Any bear problems? Mine were destroyed 2 years ago >by one. > >George Article 33360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Matthew W. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new USDA study under way - Bears and Bees Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:28:23 -0600 Organization: Zilch Message-ID: <5l5snuko3gqkhq40hjtasdff5rijbsfqqb@4ax.com> Reply-To: replyto X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 51 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!208.49.253.98!newsfeed.news2me.com!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33360 The USDA is looking into non-lethal means to control bear activities and has undertook a study in different states concerning the habitualization of bears to electric fences and various alarm sounds. Since the incidence of bears greeting humans is on the rise and most would rather see the bear scared off than killed, the USDA has taken some time to experiment with motion sensing alarms. They realize bears are smart and even the most clever of devices will trick bears for only so long - so they're studying the amount of time it takes before the bears become habitualized to the alarm (if any). The study: They purchased 18 hives (my lucky bees!) and using 3 locations on the Colorado Front Range (lots of bears) we're placing 6 hives in each location - 2 in electric fences (separate electric fences), 2 monitored by the motion alarm, and 2 as control. Each in separate locations roughly 300 feet apart and EACH is taped by VCR's which are also triggered by motion. Apparently this is only one leg of the study and bears are also studied in other states such as Wisconsin. Any other beekeepers out there have something to do with this study? There are states that have bears on the endangered list which are coming into dangerous contact with humans, driven down from the mountains from a lack of habitat of a a 'change in feeding habits' by going for the easier human leftovers. Beehives, of course, are a banquet for bears when discovered. Something like a refrigerator full of beer and sandwiches for some of us. If you lived in the mountains and wandered into one of these would you consider coming back? Apparently bears are so smart that in Yellowstone they will pick out a certain make of car because they know how to break into it. No, I don't know what kind - but it would be interested to find out. Last month my dad had an old gun-safe hidden in his mountain property to store his tools used to care for his property. He also had a bit of food - some MRE's(army- Meal Ready to Eat) and various snacks. He had it cabled to a tree with a 1/2" steel cable. He found it wide open with all his gear stuffed in a pile and every scrap of food eaten. The bear was so strong that it pulled the 1/2" cable loose at the clamp-end where it makes a loop - then he jiggled with the gun safe door until both locks were broken and STILL figured out how to open the door. Smart? I'll keep the group and Bee-L posted on the USDA's results. The guy running the show is interested in sharing the results since it would -hopefully- mean more effective bear control and less agricultural damage (beehives!) without killing bears on the spot. Matthew Westall - "E-Bees" - Castle Rock, CO Article 33361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Current Honey Prices Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:14:23 -0600 Lines: 22 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-141.spots.ab.ca (209.115.174.120) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1031688874 62357752 209.115.174.120 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pm3-141.spots.ab.CA!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33361 Does anyone have any idea what the limit is for the price of bulk white honey in North America? I thought $US 1.00 a pound was pretty good, but have heard as high as $1.62 US for bulk honey in drums! Has anyone here a good understanding of the market and how long the price can stay this high? Has anyone heard of other prices for other sales? I just got an offer for $ 2.10 CAD (US$ 1.34) for a load of white honey, without even bargaining hard. I'd like to hear comments from anyone, anywhere with any idea of where this is headed. allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 33362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeepers worry about mosquito spraying Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:30:14 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1031689832.413418@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!west.cox.net!cox.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33362 see: http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/4035871.htm Article 33363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 10 Sep 2002 22:16:51 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Current Honey Prices Message-ID: <20020910181651.00277.00002414@mb-ce.news.cs.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33363 Hello, I just sold my amber tallow honey for $1.10 lb. The packer told me that he expected that prices would remain high for at least the next 2 years. Not this high but around .85 - .90 for amber. Currently they are wating for the Argentina Crop to come in. That will be a big issue in determing future prices. If they have a surplus then prices will come down a bit, but I've heard that they are not expected to have a surplus and could actually fall a bit under normal. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 33364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1031689832.413418@savina> Subject: Re: beekeepers worry about mosquito spraying Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 02:17:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1031710677 24.31.194.116 (Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:17:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:17:57 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33364 "Teri Bachus" wrote > see: > http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/4035871.htm For background info on bees and spraying see: http://members.aol.com/gardenbees/ Also for more general info on the dangers and ineffectiveness of adulticide spraying by Columbia activist James Irwin, see: http://nospraynews.org/ -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 33365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Super storage X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:38:07 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 18 X-Trace: sv3-ruc1ztjQzuf60WVmZ821T3FTF7bT8jvjWOASPG7YDkXMmJ0cELCkSytJZlbWK1qcVsZXxkqd5fV2Cgd!uCPTZWvTmA/UEdEdICvSLR7d6vbEwmCvm6kMPN8uR3U9Z5wiJF35aNon65/Ukn6qfPBXoKCRDLoR!aWOgHTQY0k3RRtU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 02:38:07 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!dfw3-feed1.news.algx.net!ord2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33365 Does anyone here have any experience using a defunct chest freezer to store supers with drawn comb to protect them from wax moths? If so, is mold a problem? Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 33366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "James E Doan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Prices Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:00:23 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 5 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33366 Dutch Gold is offering $1.30 for White, $1.25 ELA, and $1.20 for LA. I understand that price is firm due to new reports of good honey flows in the Northern US on Goldenrod and the prospect of a decent pepper crop. Article 33367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Super storage Date: 11 Sep 2002 14:40:25 GMT Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.150.157 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33367 On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 02:38:07 GMT, "The Rock Garden" wrote: >Does anyone here have any experience using a defunct chest freezer to >store supers with drawn comb to protect them from wax moths? If >so, is mold a problem? I've only been using two chest freezers for this for two years, but I have had no problems so far. I don't put them in the freezer immediately after extracting, rather I wait a week to dry. I do use paramoth in the freezers because moths/eggs may be present even when they are just extracted (and moreso after storing for an extra week). -Tim Article 33368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Super storage X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <_xKf9.574773$m91.23177375@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:53:14 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 33 X-Trace: sv3-njikmo4U3Rud4pzsiakNEZ4SVK8kwP5Cib8T0U9+5Dh61tE05eIHaRzkYpjqLCDNfN/PMEfT0dSskMc!vyfu3DU4z4z1o8YZgGTBzIi9TMG7XyKnUe5leDJliQyzJwXp2wrR6sVWEL++I8oLUG2gD91wdk8m!yZwRIKh9xVy7YNg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:53:14 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33368 "Tim Arheit" wrote > I've only been using two chest freezers for this for two years, but I > have had no problems so far. I don't put them in the freezer > immediately after extracting, rather I wait a week to dry. I do use > paramoth in the freezers because moths/eggs may be present even when > they are just extracted (and moreso after storing for an extra week). Thanks for your reply Tim. One thing I don't understand; if you are still treating with paramoth, why bother to store them in the freezer? What advantage are you gaining over merely stacking and treating? My thought was to be able to store *without* the need to treat for moths... Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 33369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <_xKf9.574773$m91.23177375@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Super storage Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:21:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1031768505 12.86.120.122 (Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:21:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:21:45 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33369 My thought was > to be able to store *without* the need to treat for moths... > You still need to treat regardless of how you store them. As said in the reply prior, the eggs of the moth can be in the supers prior to extraction. Thus no matter how good you seal them after, the eggs can hatch and cause damage. Article 33370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Super storage Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:34:55 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <_xKf9.574773$m91.23177375@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.com (24.123.61.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1031769295 62106145 24.123.61.178 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33370 Not sure if he said he had the freezer turned on or not : ) Some people store supers in old chest freezers "not working" just to keep things out... and still use crystals to knock out the moths... -- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Ccdrogan" wrote in message news:ZQLf9.8520$1C2.709411@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > My thought was > > to be able to store *without* the need to treat for moths... > > > > > You still need to treat regardless of how you store them. As said in the > reply prior, the eggs of the moth can be in the supers prior to extraction. > Thus no matter how good you seal them after, the eggs can hatch and cause > damage. > > Article 33371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Sep 2002 21:08:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Non-Overwintering of bees Message-ID: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33371 I would like to know if anyone on the list practices or has given thought to not overwintering their bees (aka.. blowing them out, or killing them off prior to winter) Pros and cons? Economics and feasability? Just was wondering what people thought about the practacality of this practice. Bill Article 33372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Super storage Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:58:31 +0100 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <_xKf9.574773$m91.23177375@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-111.chansey.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1031782141 10857 217.135.64.111 (11 Sep 2002 22:09:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Sep 2002 22:09:01 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33372 > You still need to treat regardless of how you store them. As said in the > reply prior, the eggs of the moth can be in the supers prior to extraction. > Thus no matter how good you seal them after, the eggs can hatch and cause > damage. I would not agree. I leave supers on the hives until the first frosts (usually November here in the Midlands, UK,) and can then store in unheated sheds without any danger from wax moths. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Article 33373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Black Drones? Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:00:22 +0100 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <3D7CE8BB.BFE70797@uidaho.eduNOSPAM> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-111.chansey.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1031782142 10857 217.135.64.111 (11 Sep 2002 22:09:02 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Sep 2002 22:09:02 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33373 >like a beatle is. Any insights > here? > thanks > matthew A Rolling Stone? Article 33374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do you know... Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:04:17 +0100 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-111.chansey.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1031782144 10857 217.135.64.111 (11 Sep 2002 22:09:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Sep 2002 22:09:04 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33374 Try our Association's site: http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/. The links page (334 links and growing) should keep you busy for the rest of the year and you can then tell us which is the best site! -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Peem" wrote in message news:alg9d4$8bs$1@news.onet.pl... > Fellow Beekeepers, > > the BEST website about beekeeping - could you help me? > > > P. > > Article 33375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Super storage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <2hSf9.328879$On.13613727@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:41:18 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 28 X-Trace: sv3-mLMMHYU7VMrhRrAtpTVefNrFCWRlxvi8C6jKIzKfM5YbFpO163HL9mF+ZqRl+NRueXk06UNw6g5Jgp3!8tE/+5AcIA5oXwV9xI6PilfLX/cNff87S3F3SZ/DNl6HEKt5VXkT7op8EW8rqOZ5LPnDl+IpbsUP!rqt4xm5t0IOmv/hLfQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:41:18 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33375 Just put them back on the hive after extracting. The bees will take care of them until the weather gets cold. I suppose you could take them off at that point, but it's not really necessary. West Texas Mark "The Rock Garden" wrote in message news:j0yf9.567691$2p2.23377050@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > Does anyone here have any experience using a defunct chest freezer to > store supers with drawn comb to protect them from wax moths? If > so, is mold a problem? > > Skip > > > > Skip & Christy Hensler > THE ROCK GARDEN > Newport, WA > http://www.povn.com/rock/ > > > > > > > Article 33376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D7FFE9A.A39A5C10@bogus.address.mil> From: Bee Guy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD477 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@randori.com - Please include ALL headers only, thanks. Organization: Randori News - http://www.randori.com - Try our FREE Usenet Scanner! Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 02:36:54 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!216.65.160.204.MISMATCH!smallfeed.triton.net!triton.net!newsfeeder.triton.net!newsfeeder.randori.com!news2.randori.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33376 WSkriba wrote: > > I would like to know if anyone on the list practices or has given thought to > not overwintering their bees (aka.. blowing them out, or killing them off prior > to winter) > > Pros and cons? Economics and feasability? Just was wondering what people > thought about the practacality of this practice. > > Bill I don't know about anyone else, but anyone who would kill a healthy hive of bees because they'd just rather not over winter them must have coal for a heart. My 2 cents. tao Article 33377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Sep 2002 03:23:35 GMT References: <3D7FFE9A.A39A5C10@bogus.address.mil> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Message-ID: <20020911232335.17021.00000037@mb-fd.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33377 Hi All, Here in Wisconsin the state honey group we have one large producer of honey. Who every fall blows out all his bee's and starts new each spring with the cheapest packages he can find. He is rather looked down on by most if not all. There is something not quite right about working them then turning them out. The other consideration is when he is buying packages. We are selling splits having a positive cash flow in the spring is a nice plus. Dave in Madison,WI USA Article 33378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D802322.832813B1@hcis.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3D7FFE9A.A39A5C10@bogus.address.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:24:22 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 29 X-Trace: sv3-FdGRvk3joggUcxBKXwHh2EC9cgZZUP9Pgi+bv8Di9CKnBTmitBQrSYSzZFDPZOWiW/o+MPQ9safRECn!dpSXbC7WkZAXYb2oANtr5lp5cI3Bu5KCZnEpf9aAgvzxcCk+0VGOtddsG9iuo5oemF4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 03:24:22 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!151.164.30.35!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33378 Bee Guy wrote: > > WSkriba wrote: > > > > I would like to know if anyone on the list practices or has given thought to > > not overwintering their bees (aka.. blowing them out, or killing them off prior > > to winter) > > > > Pros and cons? Economics and feasability? Just was wondering what people > > thought about the practacality of this practice. > > > > Bill > > I don't know about anyone else, but anyone who would kill a healthy hive > of bees because they'd just rather not over winter them must have coal > for a heart. I seem to recall reading about some northern beekeepers actually practicing what Bill is suggesting. It may be