From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: August : Frost on roads, in passes . Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:53:50 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 34 Message-ID: <37cc3064.3571609@news2.i-link-2.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20726 Hi, Global warming . Global bullshit . TV news yesterday, issued a warning to drive carefully, in the passes dividing Oregon . "Watch" put out for frost in the foothills . In August ! And, we haven't had a single week all year, when it wasn't necessary to fire up the stove . With all this rain, what kind of beekeeper am I to bitch, the alternating weather is great for the plants, and the bees are going nuts . But I get so tired of being lied to about things they're planning to use for more excuses, to ruin our lives . Went out and put entrance limiters in the hives . It's too cold for wide open entrances . Ken . From taylaw@digizen.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.22 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:30:49 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <37CC3B78.89C41B4C@digizen.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 936131343 46642 209.194.78.12 (31 Aug 1999 20:29:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 1999 20:29:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20727 I think you may be confusing cause with effect. My understanding is that wax moths will only flourish in an occupied hive if the hive is already in severe distress. Saying wax moths killed your hive is like saying that maggots killed your dog. It probably died from other causes and the moths showed up to take advantage of the situation. For example.... I was unable to prevent a weak split of mine from being heavily robbed. When last checked.... there were no bees but a flourishing wax moth population. The robbing killed the hive.... not the wax moths. I would say to look for another source of the bees' distress. David James wrote: > What is the most accepted method to prevent wax month. A friend of mine has > lost 5 hives this summer to the wax moth. All of the hives are located in > the same location and started off strong in the early summer From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: August : Frost on roads, in passes . Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37cc438a.2037769@news.cidial.com> References: <37cc3064.3571609@news2.i-link-2.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:17:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.189 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 936134524 38.11.203.189 (Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:22:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:22:04 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20728 >Hi, > > Global warming . > Global bullshit . > > TV news yesterday, issued a warning >to drive carefully, in the passes >dividing Oregon . > "Watch" put out for frost in the >foothills . > > In August ! Here's the thing, Global Warming is real. You are experiencing the effects of weather patterns with no moderating bio mass, notably forest, to encourage a smooth transition of seasons and moderate weather in between. In other words, unpredictable weather will get worse and more crazy, as the atmosphere warms up. After all, heat is energy and energy drives the planet's weather. You ain't seen nothing yet. I'm waiting for Washington to have a few 130 F days. Maybe the Senate will get together and have a prayer breakfast. Charles Kroeger From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 2 06:40:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cappings Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:08:52 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7qhnbe$3jr$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-88.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 936140974 3707 62.136.16.88 (31 Aug 1999 23:09:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 1999 23:09:34 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20729 There seems to have been very little posted to this newsgroup about how to deal with cappings. It would be interesting to hear if anyone has any new or novel ways of separating the remaining honey from the wax and then converting the wax into saleable blocks. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 2 06:40:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Bees Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:55:36 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7qhnbd$3jr$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7qat4i$n3u$1@the-fly.zip.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-88.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 936140973 3707 62.136.16.88 (31 Aug 1999 23:09:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 1999 23:09:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 69 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20730 David Gladstone wrote in message ... >Having just moved the association's bees to their new training apiary I >can only endorse the advice given below and to add >1) make sure that there is adequate ventilation, we replace the >roof with a mesh sheet while they are in transit. >2) use secure straps, ratchet style is best >3) check the hive for damage before moving it, they can find the >smallest hole or crack >4) prepare the new site before the arrival. get the stands in >place. >5) place a branch or obstacle in front of the entrance before >removing the transit closure. In this way they stop and think about >where they are going instead of just buzzing out of the hive and >expecting to find the same old forage! >6) "bless" the site by sacrificing a bottle of mead, ale, or wine >and enjoy >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- In no particular order: 7) move when colonies are small if possible - spring is good 8) remove any honey crop before moving 9) add an empty super so that the bees are not crowded 10) close the entrance completely with foam - if you use mesh then many bees will die trying to get out of the entrance 11) do not use Netlon greenhouse shading for your screen - it is easily damaged and the holes are just the right size for bees to poke their heads through and get stuck, blocking the air supply and suffocating the colony (yes, it happened to me - and of course it was the best and strongest colony) 12) move after dark on a cool evening as soon as the bees have stopped flying for preference - if the move is a long one (e.g. moving bees to the heather) this gives you all night; there is nothing worse than starting a move in the early morning, hitting a vehicle or trailer problem and having hives exposed to the full heat of the day 13) give water if the weather is hot - half a cupful poured over the screen will enable the bees to cool the hive 14) strap hives well in advance if possible - this gives time for the propolis to glue the boxes together and stop slippage 15) do not go through the hives just before moving - the propolis will help to hold the frames and stop them swinging 16) Hoffman frames will not move 17) If using a trailer, ensure that the hives are well secured - hives banging against each other do nothing to improve the bees temper and the boxes may twist 18) When releasing the bees, put the roof on and pull out the entrance foam - do not put roofs on and then leave the bees shut in for any length of time 19) When you have finished, count the pieces of foam to ensure that all the bees have been released 20) Protect the hives from heavy rain if on a trailer - small amounts of light rain will not matter. From tenmoku@webtv.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: August : Frost on roads, in passes . Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <8310-37CC5B83-65@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <37cc438a.2037769@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAqukjpiK4jnDbPGnueJw+ZEvbSTECFQC3ay2HR3+NOIf3rRlbqiQumK1Gyw== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20731 Impossible to judge global warming on ancedotal evidence of a light dusting of snow in August on Mt Hood. Have you noticed the increase in shrinkage of glaciers in Alaska lately? From tenmoku@webtv.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supering Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <2395-37CC5EDD-13@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <37cbcb6a@news.clover.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRw+0K8lUqgn9H+jN0A9hulA1zoTQIUO/fUrPfdgchLCbwrRwzO4V8efJ4= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20732 Sounds like a good idea to add now and feed so the bees will have some food for the winter. I am a first year keeper and I have 4 hives all with two deep boxes for the winter with plenty of honey stores. From trolan@bellsouth.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.atl!news3.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37CC6DBA.429BEA57@bellsouth.net> From: "Tim Rolan (KE4UZI)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: lexan hives?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:05:17 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.53.131 X-Trace: news3.mia 936144266 209.214.53.131 (Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:04:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:04:26 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20733 Has any in the group made or use lexan (plexi-glass) to build thier hives out of? If so,how does this effect the bees? Does the hive get hotter than a wooden one? What effect would this have on disease or mites?Would this be better for a temperary display hive?? Just an idea I'm working on........I live in the deep south,(Montgomery,Alabama) Thanks for any help.... e-mail > trolan@bellsouth.net From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Sep 2 06:40:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Sep 1999 00:16:56 GMT References: <7qcnpu$rmj$1@nntpd.databasix.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990831201656.20333.00000079@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20734 The allergy kit recall affects: Derm/Buro Insect-Sting Treatment Kits with the lot numbers 0397, 0497, 0597, 8141, 8139, 11464, 13239. The products were distributed between June 1997 and February 1999. Also affected: Ana-Kits with lot numbers AK344 through AK363 and lot AK366, and Ana-Guard with lot numbers G00196 through G00220, and lots G00222 and G00223. They were distributed by Bayer between April 1997 and April 1998. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From pfranke@databasix.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!news.ro.com!netra-news.ntrnet.net!nntpd.databasix.com!not-for-mail From: "Paula Franke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:08:12 -0400 Organization: DataBasix - Raleigh, NC USA Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> References: <7qcnpu$rmj$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990831201656.20333.00000079@ng-fc1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20735 BeeCrofter wrote in message <19990831201656.20333.00000079@ng-fc1.aol.com>... > >The allergy kit recall affects: Derm/Buro Insect-Sting Treatment Kits with the >lot numbers 0397, 0497, 0597, 8141, 8139, 11464, 13239. The products were >distributed between June 1997 and February 1999. > >Also affected: Ana-Kits with lot numbers AK344 through AK363 and lot AK366, and >Ana-Guard with lot numbers G00196 through G00220, and lots G00222 and G00223. >They were distributed by Bayer between April 1997 and April 1998. For those interested, the AP story that appeared today (Aug. 31) with full details can be found at http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19990831/us/allergy_kit_recall_4.html On the subject of epipens, does anyone know if non-allergic folks (say, beekeepers who don't have a problem themselves) can get a prescription? (I'm referring to my previous post in this thread on getting one for visitos--God forbid-- who get stung and turn out to be violently allergic)? I'm not scheduled for a visit to my regular doctor until November. (Personally, I don't know if I am allergic because--knock on wood--here I am at 47 years old and I've never been bee stung; wasps, yes; sweat bees, yes; yellow jackets, yes...but the honeybees have always left me alone.) Paula, The Happy Hollow Witch Head of Happy Hollow Farm Tollesboro, KY From amschelp@pe.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Message-ID: References: <37CC3B78.89C41B4C@digizen.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.33 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 936149139 216.100.16.33 (Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:25:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:25:39 EDT Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:30:49 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20736 In article <37CC3B78.89C41B4C@digizen.net>, taylaw@digizen.net says... > My understanding is that wax > moths will only flourish in an occupied hive if the hive is already in severe > distress. > Yes, I agree; and I was able to help one colony three years ago by gouging out the wax moths with my hive tool and killing them dead. The colony steadily improved down. From amschelp@pe.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lexan hives?? Message-ID: References: <37CC6DBA.429BEA57@bellsouth.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.33 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 936149521 216.100.16.33 (Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:32:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:32:01 EDT Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:37:11 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20737 Hello, Trolan; I tried that in my first year of beekeeping with a home-made obervation hive where I made the sides out of lexan, and the bees did fine. I pulled the frame from the full sized Langstroth hive bodies and just by beginner's luck it turned out that there was an old queen on the frame! I got to watch the workers cluster around her, and all the other stuff in the secret life of a queen bee. I hung canvas curtains over the sides, but there was still a lot of light that got in there, but I haven't heard of a hive body made entirely out of lexan. If you don't get an answer, you should just go ahead and try it, dude. In article <37CC6DBA.429BEA57@bellsouth.net>, trolan@bellsouth.net says... > Has any in the group made or use lexan (plexi-glass) to build thier > hives out of? If so,how does this effect the bees? Does the hive get > hotter than a wooden one? What effect would this have on disease or > mites?Would this be better for a temperary display hive?? > Just an idea I'm working on........I live in the deep > south,(Montgomery,Alabama) > Thanks for any help.... > e-mail > trolan@bellsouth.net > > > > From pfranke@databasix.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!skynet.be!news.ro.com!netra-news.ntrnet.net!nntpd.databasix.com!not-for-mail From: "Paula Franke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re:another epipen recall, Dey Laboratories Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:57:42 -0400 Organization: DataBasix - Raleigh, NC USA Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7qi0qd$aju$1@nntpd.databasix.com> References: <7qcnpu$rmj$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990831201656.20333.00000079@ng-fc1.aol.com> <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20738 Just found this doing a web search on the recalls and found yet another epipen recall, this time Dey Laboratories, and it has all the pertinent lot numbers: http://pharmacology.miningco.com/library/98news/bln0508a.htm >Paula, The Happy Hollow Witch > Head of Happy Hollow Farm >Tollesboro, KY From pfranke@databasix.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!newshub1.wanet.net!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!skynet.be!news.ro.com!netra-news.ntrnet.net!nntpd.databasix.com!not-for-mail From: "Paula Franke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:42:36 -0400 Organization: DataBasix - Raleigh, NC USA Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7qi8eo$emf$1@nntpd.databasix.com> References: <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net> <37C34D9D.5A00@midwest.net> <01beeeba$f4bb5cc0$48d32dc7@spike> <37C3FB72.45ED@midwest.net> <7q7o78$8d2$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <01bef1aa$fe927ce0$94d32dc7@spike> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20739 Spike Psarris wrote in message <01bef1aa$fe927ce0$94d32dc7@spike>... >Actually, I (Spike) asked the question and Al answered. But this brings up >another question: would MSG be a good stop-gap or delaying tactic for a >stinging victim who is allergic to venom? (By "delaying" I mean reducing >anaphylaxis while transporting to the hospital...) Hi Spike, Sorry about the initial (and subsequent) confusions on this sub-thread. To re-inforce Kevin's response to this query, there really is nothing you can do as a stop-gap for anaphylactic shock other than an EpiPen (and then cross your fingers), other than Kevin's subsequent post about Benedryl. Back in my EMT days, the Benedryl option was used when EpiPens were not available, but we really hoped to get to the hospital a lot faster than usual (that was in northeastern Illinois, but the nearest hospital was still 20 minutes away on a really good day, depending where we were in the township). Where I'm located now in Appalachia, I'm really starting to feel nervous on this subject. I suppose it's a good thing that I DO recognize signs of anaphylacitc shock but, at this point, I know my farm is way too remote to get adequate hospital intervention. On a somewhat unrelated note, I'd also like to make the observation of how many people have informed me that they are allergic to bee stings and I have later come to learn (either by questioning or subsequent observation) that they are NOT allergic, they are in fact having a normal bee sting reaction. When I explain to these particular folks what allergic REALLY means (after asking them to describe their usual "allergic" reaction), they are horrified. And, on a happier note, they are much relieved to know that they are actually "normal", but educated on what really constitutes "allergic". Paula The Happy Holler Witch >> >> >> >> From michel_crichton@mitel.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!nr1.ottawa.istar.net!not-for-mail From: "Michel Crichton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wintering question regarding leftover honey/pollen in frames Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:13:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.53.180.130 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:13:32 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20740 Flows are all but over up here in Eastern Ontario so I am now going to start making preparations to winter the bees. I have six hives and checked them last week to see if I could squeeze out another harvest. Many of the supers I checked had a lot of frames which were unfinished/uncapped by the bees. By this I mean a lot of the frames just had combs which were half filled with pollen or honey and that's it. I assume the flows ended before they could finish them. I will have to take these supers off to winter the bees so my question is what should I do with any frames which the bees do not cap/finish? Should I pull them off the hives and leave them out for the bees to clean and bring back the extra pollen/honey from them to their hives? I don't really want to waste any of it. Will they eventually cap these frames before winter even though some of the combs are not full? Just wondering, Mich From allend@internode.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Moving Bees Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 06:23:04 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <000c01bef474$bd4d5c60$02000003@allend> References: <7qhnbd$3jr$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <7qhnbd$3jr$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _aNIWwwj9++To8Gfvw5MASg= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20741 We move hives whenever we please by covering them with tarps. Of course the tarps must allow sufficent air under for the bees to breathe, but unless weather is hot and the bees have been on a flow, they stay in nicely without screening. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of BEE-L discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://listserv.albany.edu/archives/bee-l.html Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Sep 1999 10:55:35 GMT References: <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990901065535.20417.00002333@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20742 >beekeepers who don't have a problem themselves) can get a prescription? (I'm >referring to my previous post in this thread on getting one for vi Hi Paula ! welcome to the group, To answer your question, most any beekeeper can get a prescription. Also if you have young kids get one for them too. Ya never know when you might trip accidently and fall against a hive getting stung many many times, even someone not allergic may develop a deadly reaction if stung 30 + times. Remind the MD of this and you shouldn't have any problems. Remember That is your epi pen, YOU can not administer it to someoone else( legally) Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From rwnelson@cableone.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: EpiPen Replacement? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:39:08 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <37BF6B28.59538DE7@povn.com> <19990822101348.02299.00002623@ng-fc1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20743 >Now you must understand that true anaphy/shock/reaction is DEADLY. >But if you have a reaction that includes trouble breathing, immediate swelling >of the neck etc, You better have some epi !!!!!! >Stick yourself then call 911 cause that one stick might not be enough . > Kevin is absolutely correct. Anaphylactic shock is truely a medical emergency and help should be called for immediately regardless of availability of an Epi-Pen or any other treatment. Proventil (albuterol) will not cut it and Benadryl (diphenhydramine), though will help, is not the first line drug for such and emergency. Anyone experiencing anaphylactic shock whether from bee sting or any other severe allergy needs epinepherine, Emergency Medical Services intervention, and definitive care in hospital. Also as a paramedic (and sideline beekeeper) this is one of the scariest things I see. Excellent reply Kevin. From rwnelson@cableone.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is there a swarm close by ? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:47:01 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <37c62a1b.5484770@news2.i-link-2.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20744 If your bees are within a mile or two they could likely be yours. Same with your neighbor's bees. Or maybe there are some within a couple miles you don't know about. I've had bees (visiting, unwantedly) at my honeyhouse for a couple weeks now. I had a yard a mile away and I knew they were the source. I moved them and continued to have company. I took a jar and captured some off the window inside. When I went outside I let them go one at a time. When I realized the direction they flew off in, I have another yard in that direction over 2 miles away. I went part way there (in truck) and let a few more loose. Yep, that was it. You won't be able to attract these forage bees with an attractant lure. Possibly a swarm during swarming season in late spring but not now. From shuston@riverace.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering question regarding leftover honey/pollen in frames Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:20:26 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 30 Message-ID: <37CD362A.248EE0B1@riverace.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: YpD34hNQKucSYv0ZG7GKlbttr+AeVNykmlAE2VyLu6k= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Sep 1999 14:20:26 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20745 When I was done extracting, I took the extracted frames, and the frames that weren't able to be extracted (not capped) and put them back on the hive, over the inner cover, with the outer cover on top. The bees came up and cleaned them all out, clean as a whistle. -Steve Michel Crichton wrote: > > Flows are all but over up here in Eastern Ontario so I am now going to start > making preparations to winter the bees. I have six hives and checked them > last week to see if I could squeeze out another harvest. Many of the supers > I checked had a lot of frames which were unfinished/uncapped by the bees. > By this I mean a lot of the frames just had combs which were half filled > with pollen or honey and that's it. I assume the flows ended before they > could finish them. I will have to take these supers off to winter the bees > so my question is what should I do with any frames which the bees do not > cap/finish? Should I pull them off the hives and leave them out for the > bees to clean and bring back the extra pollen/honey from them to their > hives? I don't really want to waste any of it. Will they eventually cap > these frames before winter even though some of the combs are not full? > > Just wondering, > Mich -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From lithar@midwest.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:21:56 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <37CD4494.46D9@midwest.net> References: <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990901065535.20417.00002333@ng-cs1.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20746 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > Remember That is your epi pen, YOU can not administer it to someoone else(legally) > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC This raises an interesting point I hadn't considered, till now. I purchase epi pens not so much for myself, but for family members or guests who might end up in a situation with my bees. The legality of popping a gasping guest vs. the alternative, never entered my mind. Hopefully, it would stand to reason that the best and only option was taken under the circumstances, but law and reason don't necessarily go hand in hand. AL From pacman-biz@mindspring.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:36 EDT 1999 Article: 20747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "The Game Man" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help here is PICTURE of it.... Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:41:52 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7qjkkc$kq8$1@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net> References: <7qfv58$a3m$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.91.4e X-Server-Date: 1 Sep 1999 16:35:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20747 http://www.mindspring.com/~forty4/thing this is the snap I got of it at 3 am several mornings ago. What is this thing? Brettt From hensler@povn.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37CD5F3F.2843C5D2@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy References: <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990901065535.20417.00002333@ng-cs1.aol.com> <37CD4494.46D9@midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:15:43 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.107.251.76 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 936206128 206.107.251.76 (Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:15:28 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:15:28 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20748 > Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > > > > > Remember That is your epi pen, YOU can not administer it to someoone else(legally) > > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC To which Big Al replied: > > This raises an interesting point I hadn't considered, till now. I > purchase epi pens not so much for myself, but for family members or > guests who might end up in a situation with my bees. The legality of > popping a gasping guest vs. the alternative, never entered my mind. > Hopefully, it would stand to reason that the best and only option was > taken under the circumstances, but law and reason don't necessarily go > hand in hand. Yo Bee Guys: Good post. Sort of damned if you do and damned if you don't. Keep in mind though that a law suit could be filed against you under either scenario. Might be a good time to check the ole personal and business liability policy. :-) Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From murray@denrosa.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 2 06:40:38 EDT 1999 Article: 20749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: contents of honey Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:28:27 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <7ptpan$1hu2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990824140656.15608.00002043@ngol06.aol.com> <7pvj5f$hs6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 936221711 nnrp-11:12346 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20749 In article <7pvj5f$hs6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, busybee writes >You ARE buying it THE best possible way when buying directly from an honest >beekeeper. Most people have no clue about their "honey"...the average >person just thinks honey is honey. If one cannot purchase honey directly >from a beekeeper and only buys honey in a supermarket, my only suggestion is >that they are looking at country of origin and that it is labeled 100% Pure >honey. > > >I thought the anti-dumping suits against China were still in place...but I >have my suspicisions that all their honey is routed through Argentina (or >other country). A few years ago China was a HUGE honey >producer/importer...Argentina was virtually unheard of. After the >anti-dumping suit and mucho money spent by American beekeepers for this, >suddenly Argentina had so much honey...just doesn't make sense. The >anti-dumping should have been on ALL foreign imports. IMO. > >--Busybee We've been down this road before, especially last autumn and this spring when accusations were flying about indicating that Canadians were doing the same thing. Argentina has been a major producer for many, many years. Their honey is of generally good quality well suited to the blending trade. Chinese is generally (there are exceptions) of low quality, being easily discernable by an unattractive floral/metallic smell which is instantly obvious to all who handle many honey types. It certainly could never be passed off as Canadian, or probably Argentinian, except with the conivance of the packer. Another poster mentioned Sue Bee honey. I have brought jars of their product home on a number of occasions and it is good reliable middle of the road product. (Just what they need for mass marketing.) We get regular updates from London traders on the world honey market and their latest newsletter indicates a good crop in China this year, but bekeepers are starting to give up because of the low prices. It also states that 'The USA, because of the Sino-USA suspension agreement and an apparently reasonable 1999 crop, is importing little Chinese honey.' Argentine honey currently trades at about $300 per tonne more than Chinese. The same report indicates that the Argentine crop is estimated at 82,000 tonnes, and that 54,000 have been sold, leaving 18,000 still in the beekeepers hands. Of the amount sold 23,000 went to the USA and 21,000 to Germany. In my opinion Argentine beekeepers are genuine, hard working, and do not get a high price for their product. But then the same applies even more severely to USA and Canada at the moment. -- Murray McGregor From murray@denrosa.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 2 06:40:38 EDT 1999 Article: 20750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: contents of honey Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:59:32 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: <0sIWBAA0OZz3EwoY@denrosa.demon.co.uk> References: <19990823091245.13940.00001920@ngol04.aol.com> <7psiio$4i6$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 936221709 nnrp-11:12346 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20750 In article <7psiio$4i6$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Edwards writes >3 Honey gathered solely from crops grown organically, i.e. no chemical >fertiliser input or use of pesticides or herbicides. >4 Who would certify? In the UK it would be for the beekeeper to claim >(through labelling) that the honey was organic; this could lead to >prosecution if it could be shown that the honey was not organic. Not so. It is done by the Soil Association in Britain, who will come and assess your operation. (It costs serious money!) Having been part of the way down that road for an organic brand it was clear the it is most unlikely that any UK honey could ever meet their criteria. Organic claims (entirely false) have been made here in Scotland by an enterprise selling what was almost pure rape (canola) honey but this was suppressed by the authorities and the producer amended their claim to 'original cold pressed' which has no legal standing. >I would not advise anyone keeping bees in the >UK to claim 'organic' for their honey - although honey from the heather >moors is probably OK. > I agree, but if you are migratory it is still unlikely that you will qualify. The criteria as I was given them a couple of years ago required that all colonies involved in producing organic honey had to be seperated from non organic agriculture by at least the normal maximum bee foraging distance, PLUS they had to have had no exposure to medication of any kind, AND they had to have met the two previous conditions for an unbroken period of at least two years. There were other restrictions as well. Honey from the heather will probably be as free of contaminants as you can get in the UK, but unless the colonies are resident there (which would be rare) organic claims will not be sustainable. -- Murray McGregor From nmcfield@aol.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!news.psd.k12.co.us!newsfeed.frii.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nmcfield@aol.com (N MCFIELD) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping products Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Sep 1999 21:06:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990901170658.27529.00000020@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20751 Where can I buy products as a beekeeper such as hives and smokers? From vfzmgd@yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:40 EDT 1999 Article: 20752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.bc.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: vfzmgd@yahoo.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FREE SOFTWARE 9557 Lines: 3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 20:28:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.113.38.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.bc.home.com 936217680 24.113.38.8 (Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:28:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:28:00 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20752 GO TO www.fvsoftware.com for all your COMPLETELY FREE SOFTWARE!!! hgpdptqnyeezrvcnlwhkxrmzhx From eric_cl@pacbell.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37CDA048.16A13409@pacbell.net> From: "Eric K. Engelhard" Organization: Charmed Life X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeClips References: <37cd6061@news.clover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:53:12 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.103.215.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net 936222622 216.103.215.122 (Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:50:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:50:22 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20753 Bob wrote: > Attached are some really nice Bee pictures/clipart I gathered up. Great collection, Bob. I am honored that my "bee.jpg" made your list. If there is enough interest in bee clip art and photos, I would be willing to host a web site and/or ftp site. My local bee club is putting up a site and may also be contributing with original art. Eric -- Eric K. Engelhard, Ph.D. Charmed Life San Francisco, CA From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 2 06:40:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering question regarding leftover honey/pollen in frames Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:08:37 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7qkc05$pkh$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37CD362A.248EE0B1@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-2.endostatin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 936227653 26257 62.136.65.2 (1 Sep 1999 23:14:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Sep 1999 23:14:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20754 Steve Huston wrote in message <37CD362A.248EE0B1@riverace.com>... >When I was done extracting, I took the extracted frames, and the frames >that weren't able to be extracted (not capped) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Honey does not have to be capped - just at a low enough moisture content. See previous posts. From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Thu Sep 2 06:40:42 EDT 1999 Article: 20755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!info1.fnal.gov!ice.isc-net.upenn.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: August : Frost on roads, in passes . Date: 2 Sep 1999 01:22:37 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7qkjgt$nlt$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <37cc3064.3571609@news2.i-link-2.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20755 Take a look at the following web link: http://epn.org/prospect/31/31gelbfs.html Dave T. (my other hat is energy analysis) From pfranke@databasix.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:43 EDT 1999 Article: 20756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!news.ro.com!netra-news.ntrnet.net!nntpd.databasix.com!not-for-mail From: "Paula Franke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:29:22 -0400 Organization: DataBasix - Raleigh, NC USA Message-ID: <7qkjir$ada$1@nntpd.databasix.com> References: <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990901065535.20417.00002333@ng-cs1.aol.com> <37CD4494.46D9@midwest.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 44 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20756 >Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >> >> Remember That is your epi pen, YOU can not administer it to someoone else(legally) >> >> Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > >Then AL reponded: >This raises an interesting point I hadn't considered, till now. I >purchase epi pens not so much for myself, but for family members or >guests who might end up in a situation with my bees. The legality of >popping a gasping guest vs. the alternative, never entered my mind. >Hopefully, it would stand to reason that the best and only option was >taken under the circumstances, but law and reason don't necessarily go >hand in hand. Yep, this bums me out too. Talk about your rock and a hard place. Like Skip says, it's a no-win situation. Guess our only option is to just not have a life-saving remedy available at all. If we don't have it, then we won't be enticed into illegally trying to save a life, other than getting the victim/body to the hospital. In my area, calling EMS is not a viable option in this scenario. It takes the ambulance the same amount of time to get here as it would for me to just pour someone into the van and head out myself straight to the hospital. The ambulance is 30 minutes away to the east, the hospital is 30 minutes away to the west. In either event, it takes almost ten minutes to get from my house to the highway. Do the math. The only other option would be to have someone call the hospital (which does not have its own ambulance service) explain the situation and try to get an ambulance from the neighboring county to the west to meet us enroute coming from the east. But we're still talking at least 20 minutes travel time if that works out best case to meet en route. So much for what could have been a good idea... Paula in Kentucky From jrmars@tricon.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:43 EDT 1999 Article: 20757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: August : Frost on roads, in passes . From: you@somehost.somedomain (John R.) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <37cc3064.3571609@news2.i-link-2.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 44 Message-ID: <4Xkz3.2714$Fc.250718@news21b.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.100 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 936237888 216.98.71.100 (Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:04:48 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:04:48 EDT Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 02:04:48 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20757 Hasn't the planet warmed up in past epochs even before the industrial revolution and fossil fuel burning engines? I believe it has so maybe this is just a natural occurance. John R. In article <37cc3064.3571609@news2.i-link-2.net>, stgeorge@i-link-2.net says... > >Hi, > > Global warming . > Global bullshit . > > TV news yesterday, issued a warning >to drive carefully, in the passes >dividing Oregon . > "Watch" put out for frost in the >foothills . > > In August ! > > And, we haven't had a single week >all year, when it wasn't necessary to >fire up the stove . > > With all this rain, what kind of >beekeeper am I to bitch, the alternating >weather is great for the plants, and the >bees are going nuts . > > But I get so tired of being lied to >about things they're planning to use >for more excuses, to ruin our lives . > > Went out and put entrance >limiters in the hives . > > It's too cold for wide open >entrances . > >Ken . > From lithar@midwest.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:44 EDT 1999 Article: 20758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 21:41:44 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 49 Message-ID: <37CDE3E8.1016@midwest.net> References: <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990901065535.20417.00002333@ng-cs1.aol.com> <37CD4494.46D9@midwest.net> <7qkjir$ada$1@nntpd.databasix.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20758 Paula Franke wrote: > > >Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > > > > >> > >> Remember That is your epi pen, YOU can not administer it to someoone > else(legally) > >> > >> Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > > >Then AL reponded: > >This raises an interesting point I hadn't considered, till now. I > >purchase epi pens not so much for myself, but for family members or > >guests who might end up in a situation with my bees. The legality of > >popping a gasping guest vs. the alternative, never entered my mind. > >Hopefully, it would stand to reason that the best and only option was > >taken under the circumstances, but law and reason don't necessarily go > >hand in hand. > Then Paula responded: > Yep, this bums me out too. Talk about your rock and a hard place. > > Like Skip says, it's a no-win situation. Guess our only option is to just > not have a life-saving remedy available at all. If we don't have it, then we > won't be enticed into illegally trying to save a life, other than getting > the victim/body to the hospital. > > So much for what could have been a good idea... > > Paula in Kentucky You are being facetious - right? Ok, given that our humane instincts and availability of an epi pen prevail - what are the potential side effects of an epi pen, how do we identify them and how might we be prepared to reduce them??? AL From bahaus@micron.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:45 EDT 1999 Article: 20759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.micron.net!skin01.micron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: bahaus@micron.net (bill ahaus) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Recommendations for Maxant or Dadant equipment? Message-ID: <37ce0fed.1220443@news.micron.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Lines: 8 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 05:54:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.19.154.54 X-Trace: skin01.micron.net 936247898 209.19.154.54 (Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:51:38 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:51:38 MDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20759 I am interested in upgrading my equipment so that I can use an automatic uncapper and cappings handling system in my honey house. I have approx. 300 hives and have been doing all extracting by hand and working another full time job means that it takes me forever to get all the frames uncapped and extracted. Both Dadant and Maxant have equipment that would do the job of uncapping and handling cappings--if you have any suggestions or recommendations regarding how to speed up this step in processing, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. From lithar@midwest.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:46 EDT 1999 Article: 20760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 23:59:40 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <37CE043C.2FEC@midwest.net> References: <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990901065535.20417.00002333@ng-cs1.aol.com> <37CD4494.46D9@midwest.net> <7qkjir$ada$1@nntpd.databasix.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20760 Peter Amschel wrote: > > An old friend told me that he had always felt he was dangerously > allergic to hymenoptera stings. He said he was on a hike in the > desert, several miles away from any civilization at all when he > got stung by one of them. He said he laid himself back in some > shade and forced himself to be calm and he managed to survive. > Pete in Hemet > Hey Pete, Sounds like your buddie was working through an anxiety attack - *NOT* aphylaxis shock. Not to knock kicking back under the shade of a cactus, pine, maple etc...I'm all for that. If your friend had a *real* allergic reaction, one day some unfortunate hiker would happen upon his bleached bones laid back in the shade. BTW - I'm assuming we are talking bees, not scorpions. AL From kumar@rpolis.agresearch.cri.nz Thu Sep 2 06:40:46 EDT 1999 Article: 20761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ihug.co.nz!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news.wlg.netlink.net.nz!news.akl.netlink.net.nz!kumar From: kumar@rpolis.agresearch.cri.nz (Kumar Vetharaniam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees not going up into supers Date: 2 Sep 1999 04:51:44 GMT Organization: NetLink Auckland, New Zealand. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7qkvp0$7e9$2@news.akl.netlink.net.nz> References: <7qedvb$5s$1@nclient13-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.agresearch.cri.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20761 James Davidson (james.davidson1@virgin.net) wrote: : Why will bees not go up into super? Bottom box full and queenright. No : excluder and warm frames. We are baffled! Isn't it autumn right now where you are? If the nectar flow has stopped, then bees are unlikely to expand into supers - more likely to store honey in the brood nest. -- Kumar vetharaniamk@agresearch.cri.nz From amschelp@pe.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:47 EDT 1999 Article: 20762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Message-ID: References: <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990901065535.20417.00002333@ng-cs1.aol.com> <37CD4494.46D9@midwest.net> <7qkjir$ada$1@nntpd.databasix.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 936247277 216.100.16.35 (Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:41:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:41:17 EDT Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:46:28 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20762 An old friend told me that he had always felt he was dangerously allergic to hymenoptera stings. He said he was on a hike in the desert, several miles away from any civilization at all when he got stung by one of them. He said he laid himself back in some shade and forced himself to be calm and he managed to survive. Pete in Hemet > In my area, calling EMS is not a viable option in this scenario. It takes > the ambulance the same amount of time to get here as it would for me to just > pour someone into the van and head out myself straight to the hospital. The > ambulance is 30 minutes away to the east, the hospital is 30 minutes away to > the west. In either event, it takes almost ten minutes to get from my house > to the highway. Do the math. The only other option would be to have someone > call the hospital (which does not have its own ambulance service) explain > the situation and try to get an ambulance from the neighboring county to the > west to meet us enroute coming from the east. But we're still talking at > least 20 minutes travel time if that works out best case to meet en route. > > So much for what could have been a good idea... > > Paula in Kentucky > > > > > From kumar@rpolis.agresearch.cri.nz Fri Sep 3 09:40:54 EDT 1999 Article: 20763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ihug.co.nz!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news.wlg.netlink.net.nz!news.akl.netlink.net.nz!kumar From: kumar@rpolis.agresearch.cri.nz (Kumar Vetharaniam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-keepers' health affected by smoke? Date: 2 Sep 1999 04:47:32 GMT Organization: NetLink Auckland, New Zealand. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7qkvh4$7e9$1@news.akl.netlink.net.nz> References: <7qchl2$fco$1@news.akl.netlink.net.nz> <37CA93AB.E2A46ED@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.agresearch.cri.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20763 Usually when I inspect my hives the smoke always swirls around, usually following me, and I smell like I could have stepped out of a smokey nightclub (minus the beer smell). Probably a result of siting hives in very sheltered areas where the wind doesn't blow through. At least it makes a shower even more luxurious at the end. Kumar Steve Huston (shuston@riverace.com) wrote: : I've started to get decent at not getting much smoke on me. If the wind : keeps changing direction though, I get it, but I don't notice I'm : breathing it - any wind diffuses it very quickly. : -Steve -- Kumar vetharaniamk@agresearch.cri.nz From hamilton@pbssite.com Fri Sep 3 09:40:55 EDT 1999 Article: 20764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tvd.be!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news-in.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!news5.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help, L ARGE un-identified Bee, Picture Link Message-ID: <37ce6c32.596658140@news.usenetserver.com> References: <7qkrmg$96k$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 29 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:23:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: news5.usenetserver.com 936285827 207.91.44.54 (Thu, 02 Sep 1999 08:23:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 08:23:47 PDT Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20764 Yup .. Cicada Killer On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:48:37 -0400, "The Game Man" wrote: >Hello again... > >Some you suggested it is a "Cicada Killer" bee, > > (..killer bee (?) sounds somewhat familiar)... > >so I scanned the picture, here it is. Remember, this (?) is > >at least 2 inches long overall. Notice the large oval brown > >marking at the rear of its middle section, will this help to > >identify it? http://www.mindspring.com/~forty4/thing > >This is the picture I took at 3-am several mornings ago. > >What is this thing exactly, and is it a threat to my children? > > (I posted full story 2 days ago) > >Brettt > > From eric_cl@pacbell.net Fri Sep 3 09:40:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37CE8572.F4395725@pacbell.net> From: "Eric K. Engelhard" Organization: Charmed Life X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BeeClips.zip on my web page Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 07:10:59 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.103.215.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net 936281284 216.103.215.122 (Thu, 02 Sep 1999 07:08:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 07:08:04 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20765 You can find the BeeClips.zip file originally posted to the newsgroup by Bob on my rooftop apiary web page at http://216.103.215.122/beekeep.html . My goal is to have many more images with a thumbnail index. -- Eric K. Engelhard, Ph.D. Charmed Life San Francisco, CA From obriens@sky.net Fri Sep 3 09:40:57 EDT 1999 Article: 20766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Scarcity of Honey Bees Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:21:31 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 936282162 209.90.4.172 (Thu, 02 Sep 1999 09:22:42 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 09:22:42 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20766 I've been wondering recently if beekeepers in general are contributing to the demise of the honey bee. I don't think we are the cause, but by restricting the bees >from swarming are we not unwittingly contributing to it? Any thoughts about this, pro or con? John O'Brien From tignor@vt.edu Fri Sep 3 09:40:57 EDT 1999 Article: 20767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: "Keith Tignor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NEED: Pictures of bees Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:56:04 -0400 Organization: VPI&SU Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7qm6m6$7g5$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <01bef310$4b081600$05ec1dc3@tel.hr.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: mullins2.ento.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 936287750 7685 128.173.215.35 (2 Sep 1999 15:55:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Sep 1999 15:55:50 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20767 Check out the National Honey Board site (http://www.nhb.org). They have clipart available for downloading. As far as animation, watch the newsgroup 'alt.binaries.pictures.animated.gifs'. There are animated bees posted infrequently to the group. ---------- In article <01bef310$4b081600$05ec1dc3@tel.hr.hr>, "Simon" wrote: > > I'll be greatfull for some pictures of bees or everything > conectetd with beekeeping. > (gif, jpeg, cdr, bmp, pic, tif, animations, ...) > Thanks in advance. > > goran.salihovic1@vz.tel.hr > > From pacman-biz@mindspring.com Fri Sep 3 09:40:58 EDT 1999 Article: 20768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "The Game Man" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help, L ARGE un-identified Bee, Picture Link Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:48:37 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7qkrmg$96k$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.0a.fc X-Server-Date: 2 Sep 1999 03:42:08 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20768 Hello again... Some you suggested it is a "Cicada Killer" bee, (..killer bee (?) sounds somewhat familiar)... so I scanned the picture, here it is. Remember, this (?) is at least 2 inches long overall. Notice the large oval brown marking at the rear of its middle section, will this help to identify it? http://www.mindspring.com/~forty4/thing This is the picture I took at 3-am several mornings ago. What is this thing exactly, and is it a threat to my children? (I posted full story 2 days ago) Brettt From pfranke@databasix.com Fri Sep 3 09:40:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeed.zip.com.au!netra-news.ntrnet.net!nntpd.databasix.com!not-for-mail From: "Paula Franke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:24:06 -0400 Organization: DataBasix - Raleigh, NC USA Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7qm81k$pnh$1@nntpd.databasix.com> References: <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990901065535.20417.00002333@ng-cs1.aol.com> <37CD4494.46D9@midwest.net> <7qkjir$ada$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <37CDE3E8.1016@midwest.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20769 AL asked: >You are being facetious - right? Yeah, I was! But the particular situation we're talking about has opened up a whole lot of different trains of thought that I had not really considered before. >Ok, given that our humane instincts and availability of an epi pen >prevail - what are the potential side effects of an epi pen, how do we >identify them and how might we be prepared to reduce them??? I think the worse thing is the people who claim they're allergic to bees when, in fact, they have normal reactions or perhaps may be a bit more reactive than others, but not allergic. Or something like Pete mentioned (and I'm not downplaying his friend's reaction) but some people really might get so anxious that they'll start hypervenitlating (a scary thing for people who experience that for the first time). So I would think admininstering an EpiPen to someone who is not in danger of anaphylactic shot would be a bad move? Kevin? Can 'o worms, isn't it? OTOH, this discussion is turning into a good learning experience for me. Things aren't always as simple as I first think. Paula From jmitc1014@aol.com Fri Sep 3 09:41:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering question regarding leftover honey/pollen in frames Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Sep 1999 08:10:41 GMT References: <7qkc05$pkh$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990902041041.24172.00003460@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20770 I put a super of extracted (wet) frames above the inner cover of one of my hives for the bees to clean out, having heard that the bees will just take the honey down below the inner cover. When I checked the next day, the bees had started building new wax, attaching the frames to the underside of the telescoping cover, which indicates to me that the bees wanted to do more than just clean the frames out. John From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Sep 3 09:41:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sugar Board Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:35:31 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990902073109.14122.00001931@ng-ft1.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 Sep 1999 19:40:37 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Sep 2 12:45:05 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 7 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust239.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37CED183.53B2@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20771 I made some that worked well. I made a frame the same size of the box. Added a bottom to it, drilled a hole in the middle, put it on, filled it with sugar making sure to leave the hole open and put the cover on. It worked well for me, however the moisture in the hive crystalizes the sugar into a block if they do not use it fast. Don in NC From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Sep 3 09:41:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:38:36 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 Sep 1999 19:43:43 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Sep 2 12:45:07 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 5 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust239.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37CED23C.7DE4@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20772 If we let them swarm they will die anyway and give mites unrestricted access to them. Some may however survive and become resistant to mites. I have a wild colony with very few mites and have not been treated. Don in NC From e-jeve@spiritone.com Fri Sep 3 09:41:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: "gene/janice" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Laying workers ????? Date: 2 Sep 1999 20:44:16 GMT Organization: SpiritOne Internet 503-240-8200 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <936305050.878193@ridge.spiritone.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ridge.spiritone.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Trace-ISP: 936305050 18294 206.98.120.56 hf7n/F71:r-wrir X-Complaints-To-ISP: abuse at spiritone dot com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20773 This was printed in the Portland Oregonian today. Sometimes I wonder about some of our University research etc. Now I quote. "Ben Oldroyd, science lecturer at Sydney University says he's discovered a genetic mutation among honeybees. It seems one in 2.5 million female worker bees rebel and lay fake eggs. Within months, all the workers begin laying eggs, the queen is toppled, workers strike and the colony crumbles. Says Oldroyd "It's really weird to watch." Gene From obriens@sky.net Fri Sep 3 09:41:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37CED23C.7DE4@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:33:20 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 936308078 209.90.4.134 (Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:34:38 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:34:38 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20774 workerbee wrote in message <37CED23C.7DE4@earthlink.net>... >If we let them swarm they will die anyway and give mites unrestricted >access to them. Some may however survive and become resistant to mites. >I have a wild colony with very few mites and have not been treated. >>Don in NC > That's what I mean; it seems if we would leave them alone for a few years and let them go wild, everyone would benefit. It seems to me to be analogous to letting a farm go to fallow every few years to re-enrich the soil. Yes, some of you large beekeepers would lose money for a couple years, but the alternative is you are going to be losing everything in a few more years, unless a resistant strain is found. John O'Brien From a.beamish@virgin.net Fri Sep 3 09:41:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news1-gui.server.ntli.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!not-for-mail From: "Alan Beamish" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Chalk Brood ? Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:05:15 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Message-ID: <7qmlfo$abn$1@nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-289-virgin3.tch.virgin.net X-Trace: nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net 936302904 10615 194.168.241.34 (2 Sep 1999 20:08:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Sep 1999 20:08:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20775 I'd be grateful for some ideas on diagnosing and treating a problem with my two colonies. It looks to me a little like chalk brood, except there is no evidence of rock-hard larvae, which I thought was a symptom of chalk brood. The number of frames containing brood seems to be reduced for this time of year (probably only about 4 filled frames on National hives, with plenty of empty cells). The areas of sealed brood are peppered with cells which are unsealed ( or have been uncapped ) but the larvae seem to be developing OK. There is no sign of varroa on these developing larvae and both colonies have been healthy all season. One of the colonies is slightly affected on one frame only; I am reluctant to remove the frame because it contains mostly healthy brood. The other hive is more severely affected. All contributions gratefully received ! Many Thanks , Alan Beamish From honeybs@radix.net Fri Sep 3 09:41:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:10:57 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7qmqvc$o38$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p42.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20776 "John O'Brien" wrote: >I've been wondering recently if beekeepers in general are >contributing to the demise of the honey bee. >I don't think we are the cause, but by restricting the bees >from swarming are we not unwittingly contributing to it? >Any thoughts about this, pro or con? >John O'Brien Give us enought time and we will kill them. Let the government get involved and the job will be done much faster. It's sad but true, we often do more harm than good. By developing resistant mites and moving the parasites all over the earth does the worst harm. On the other hand the honeybee has been around for over 50,000,000 years, so it may just survive us too! There is hope. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From a.beamish@virgin.net Fri Sep 3 09:41:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!not-for-mail From: "Alan Beamish" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cappings Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:12:35 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7qmltg$ak3$1@nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net> References: <7qhnbe$3jr$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-289-virgin3.tch.virgin.net X-Trace: nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net 936303344 10883 194.168.241.34 (2 Sep 1999 20:15:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Sep 1999 20:15:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20777 Hardly a new idea, but I use the honey from the cappings to make mead, then render the wax by heating in distilled water. The cappings give the best quality wax, so avoid mixing with the usual clag. Alan Beamish. Peter Edwards wrote in message <7qhnbe$3jr$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... >There seems to have been very little posted to this newsgroup about how to >deal with cappings. >It would be interesting to hear if anyone has any new or novel ways of >separating the remaining honey from the wax and then converting the wax into >saleable blocks. > > From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Sep 3 09:41:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Sep 1999 21:30:42 GMT References: <37CE043C.2FEC@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990902173042.24176.00003389@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20778 The law in it's infinite wisdom prohibits rich and poor alike from stealing bread, sleeping under bridges ,and pissing in the street. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri Sep 3 09:41:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chalk Brood ? Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:04:49 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7qmsu8$ca2$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7qmlfo$abn$1@nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-107.headcook.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 936310536 12610 62.136.140.107 (2 Sep 1999 22:15:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Sep 1999 22:15:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20779 Alan Beamish wrote in message <7qmlfo$abn$1@nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net>... >I'd be grateful for some ideas on diagnosing and treating a problem with my >two colonies. It looks to me a little like chalk brood, except there is no >evidence of rock-hard larvae, which I thought was a symptom of chalk brood. > > The number of frames containing brood seems to be reduced for this time >of year (probably only about 4 filled frames on National hives, with plenty >of empty cells). The areas of sealed brood are peppered with cells which are >unsealed ( or have been uncapped ) but the larvae seem to be developing OK. >There is no sign of varroa on these developing larvae and both colonies have >been healthy all season. One of the colonies is slightly affected on one >frame only; I am reluctant to remove the frame because it contains mostly >healthy brood. The other hive is more severely affected. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Difficult to be sure without seeing it but 4 frames of brood is certainly low - most colonies round here are on at least 8 after the recent good weather and some are wall to wall - whereabouts are you? 'Bald brood' can be caused by: a poor queen (possible if you have little brood); starvation (unlikely this year unless you removed all the crop in early August and they were hit by that wet spell); wax moth damage (should be obvious). Chalk brood usually appears in the spring - not much now - and you will see the mummified remains of the larvae (can be light grey through to almost black) if not in the cells then certainly outside the entrance. Incidentally, in case you are not aware, the larvae can be distinguished >from mouldy pollen in the cells by that fact that their heads are not affected and form a small yellowish dot in the centre of the mass; when removed from the cell, mouldy pollen breaks apart easily into the original pollen loads. From busseedean@aol.com Fri Sep 3 09:41:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: busseedean@aol.com (BUSSEEDEAN) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sugar Board Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Sep 1999 11:31:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990902073109.14122.00001931@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20780 Does anyone know how to make a sugar board? A gentleman once told me that he puts one in every hive before winter just in case the bees run short of stored honey. From ernie@nospamwhro.net Fri Sep 3 09:41:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: Sugar Board Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990902073109.14122.00001931@ng-ft1.aol.com> Message-ID: <01bef590$b5507fc0$6ba24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 14 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:17:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.107 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 936310646 198.76.162.107 (Thu, 02 Sep 1999 18:17:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 18:17:26 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20781 I use a plastic division board feeder which holds a 5lb. bag of sugar in colonies which are "kinda light". -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA BUSSEEDEAN wrote in article <19990902073109.14122.00001931@ng-ft1.aol.com>... > Does anyone know how to make a sugar board? A gentleman once told me that he > puts one in every hive before winter just in case the bees run short of stored > honey. > From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Sep 3 09:41:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Sep 1999 00:10:09 GMT References: <7qm81k$pnh$1@nntpd.databasix.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990902201009.16333.00000682@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20782 >EpiPen to someone who is not in danger of anaphylactic shot would be a bad >move? Kevin? > >Can 'o worms, isn't it? OTOH, this discussion is turning into a good ok lets start off simple Epi is a fancy word for adrenaline I'm pretty sure you've all heard of that, its the stuff inside you that gets let out of the bag when you get scared out of your drawers !! We've all felt it before, heart racing,flush feeling, ready to launch to the moon at the slightest BOO !!! The epi pen gives a injection of a certain concentration of epi ( different >from that used for someone with a stopped heart ). This injection temporarly counter acts the histamine reaction that is causing someones breathing passages to close etc.. I hope this helps ya understand. OH Btw most states have good samaritin laws that protect you incase of helping someone in life or death situations. But do not rely on them, KNOW the symptoms of Anaphylaxis, Believe me ya dont wanna be stuck with one a those blasted things if ya dont have to be. The spring that drives that 1.5 inch needle is about 4 inches long and it's squeezed down to 1 inch when cocked so you can realize it's no joy unless it's really needed Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From pollinator@aol.comnospam Fri Sep 3 09:41:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Recommendations for Maxant or Dadant equipment? Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Sep 1999 12:54:57 GMT References: <37ce0fed.1220443@news.micron.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990902085457.05991.00003547@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20783 > I am interested in upgrading my equipment so that I can use an >automatic uncapper and cappings handling system in my honey house. I >have approx. 300 hives and have been doing all extracting by hand and >working another full time job means that it takes me forever to get >all the frames uncapped and extracted. Both Dadant and Maxant have >equipment that would do the job of uncapping and handling cappings--if >you have any suggestions or recommendations regarding how to speed up >this step in processing, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. I use a Maxant chain uncapper and love it. I don't want to heat my honey, and the kinds that have heated blades do heat the honey that they contact. I can taste the carmelization in the finished honey, so I don't want it. The chain uncapper is so simple that there is little to go wrong. The only thing I've ever had to do is replace bearings. I suppose someday the chains will need replacement, but it's over 15 years old, and show no sign of chain breakage yet. Some folks complain that the chain uncapper traps too much air, and makes the honey cloudy. Leaving the honey set for a couple days in a warm spot seems to take care of any such problem. We use the Maxant cappings spinner to separate the cappings and honey, again because I don't want to ruin the honey with heat. No matter what anyone says, cappings melters will badly degrade the taste of the honey that goes thru them. It's strictly bakery grade after that. Now the cappings spinner will entrain a lot of air into the honey, so it definitely will make bottled honey cloudy. This is particularly bad if the spinning drum ever hits the honey in the bottom. It seems to me that there should be more volume at the bottom for when you are running a lot of honey quickly. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From amschelp@pe.net Fri Sep 3 09:41:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Message-ID: References: <37CE043C.2FEC@midwest.net> <19990902173042.24176.00003389@ng-fy1.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 936326628 216.100.16.35 (Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:43:48 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:43:48 EDT Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:49:00 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20784 Yes, but the poor are less likely to have a pot to piss in. In article <19990902173042.24176.00003389@ng-fy1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.comBee says... > The law in it's infinite wisdom prohibits rich and poor alike from stealing > bread, sleeping under bridges ,and pissing in the street. > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com > From ba@swienty.com Fri Sep 3 09:41:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!feeder.qis.net!news1.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Bjørn Andresen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping products Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:35:37 +0200 Organization: Customer at Tele Danmark Erhverv Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7qmcmd$m2o$1@news1.tele.dk> References: <19990901170658.27529.00000020@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: buff-54.dia.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20785 www.swienty.com N MCFIELD skrev i meddelelsen <19990901170658.27529.00000020@ng-xa1.aol.com>... >Where can I buy products as a beekeeper such as hives and smokers? From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Fri Sep 3 09:41:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 04:48:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7qnju7$ne0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37CED23C.7DE4@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.28 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Sep 03 04:48:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.28 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20786 "John O'Brien" wrote: > That's what I mean; it seems if we would leave them alone > for a few years and let them go wild, everyone would > benefit. > It seems to me to be analogous to letting a farm > go to fallow every few years to re-enrich the soil. One problem is the vast acreages devoted to single crops -- in some areas particularly. This makes it harder for wild bees to find sufficient forage when the primary crop is out of season. And fence rows are disappearing/ disappeared in lots of places. And in cities and suburbs, dead/ hollow trees are fairly thoroughly culled, leaving little place for a colony to set up housekeeping. At least in comparison to what they might find in a landscape of a previous era. And most people try to eradicate bees if they install themselves in our walls and sheds. So where would the swarms go if every hive produced a swarm a year? All I'm saying is that mites out there waiting for them, so to speak, is just one aspect of the problem with replenishing the "feral" bees via allowing swarming behaviour to go unchecked. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. 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Contact us: av@rada1.saratov.su From pollinator@aol.comnospam Fri Sep 3 09:41:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Sep 1999 11:06:01 GMT References: <19990903064500.27480.00004036@ng-cr1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990903070601.00442.00003806@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20788 From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) >actually i think its all that yankee manure being put into the ground around >here. Before the invasion began all we had was good ole southern crap, >feeding >the plants and grass throughout the forest and dell, now them dang yankees >with >their strange foods and drinks are poisoning our land with their glow in the >dark stinky. >what we needs is a constipation that'll attack em with the only cure being to >go back north. > >thar i've had my friday morning say > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Ahem...... The war ended more than a century ago. Are you going to nurse this forever, or are you going to decide to move on in life? - Typical southern problem.....other folks pick other grudges to nurse. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From adamf@radix.net Fri Sep 3 09:41:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam J. Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NEED: Pictures of bees Date: 3 Sep 1999 08:51:29 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7qog8h$nvl$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <01bef310$4b081600$05ec1dc3@tel.hr.hr> <7qm6m6$7g5$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20789 In article <7qm6m6$7g5$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Keith Tignor wrote: >Check out the National Honey Board site (http://www.nhb.org). They have >clipart available for downloading. As far as animation, watch the newsgroup >'alt.binaries.pictures.animated.gifs'. There are animated bees posted >infrequently to the group. You can also get plenty of pics at http://metalab.unc.edu/bees Browse the archives (Woa, it's Keith. Hiya Keith. How them bees doing?) Adam -- Adam J. Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@radix.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam J. Finkelstein) Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Some Philosophy (was Re: Units of Selection) Date: 3 Sep 1999 09:10:12 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7qohbk$pjt$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37c436d9.30481875@news.cidial.com> <7q1nbs$cqn$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c600b3.40041012@news.cidial.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168471 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:182 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20790 In article <37c600b3.40041012@news.cidial.com>, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >Prions are the first "whatever" to exhibit life like behavior and replicate >themselves without any DNA present. Maybe they're from outer space. Maybe >it's an invasion? This is fascinating, and grounds for a great debate. Above, you describe a prion as "being from outer space". This description assumes that since prions do not follow any similar selective path found on Earth so far, that they must be alien. My point with the random involved in selection may explain the appearance of prions. They don't have to be "alien" to have evolved. The chance that the right selective conditions and the right situation can "extrude" if you will, something like a prion, happened. It's like the example of squeezing the balloon (I'm sorry if you didn't think it was a very good example). Prions arose from the selective pressure and the conditions at hand. Why do they have to be deemed "alien" or "from outer space"? Their presence illustrates how "random" and selection pressure can very quickly cause something to happen. Sure Prions are not like the real examples of "life" (reproductionally DNA based) forms on Earth so far. Do we have to be deterministically grounded in what can and cannot be found on Earth? I hope not. Assuming that all life or life-like entities on Earth have to be based on what one's belief system and life paradigm are, is very myopic. Adam -- Adam J. Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From honeybs@radix.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:19:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7qocmq$8on$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990903064500.27480.00004036@ng-cr1.aol.com> <19990903070601.00442.00003806@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20791 pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: >From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) >>actually i think its all that yankee manure being put into the ground around >>here. Before the invasion began all we had was good ole southern crap, >>feeding >>the plants and grass throughout the forest and dell, now them dang yankees >>with >>their strange foods and drinks are poisoning our land with their glow in the >>dark stinky. >>what we needs is a constipation that'll attack em with the only cure being to >>go back north. >> >>thar i've had my friday morning say >> >> >>Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > Ahem...... > The war ended more than a century ago. Are you going to nurse this forever, >or are you going to decide to move on in life? > - Typical southern problem.....other folks pick other grudges to nurse. >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html >Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) >http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm The war is over? Damn, nobody tells me anything. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From adamf@radix.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam J. Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Posting on newsgroups Date: 3 Sep 1999 09:25:10 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7qoi7m$qsd$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20792 Howdy folks. If you start a thread on this or any other Usenet group, good for you. If you followup the thread, keeping the general idea of the thread, good for you. If you followup a thread and change the topic of the thread, please change the title of the thread, and if your newsreader actually works, begin a new thread. Of course some idiot will say that all this is restricting their freedom and that they can post whatever they want, and however they want to this and any other newsgroup. Well, they can, sadly, and then the best thing to do is to put them into you killfile if your newsreader has that capability. (I suggest you obtain a newsreader that does.) Posting and Usenet etiquette can be found on the newsgroup news.answers and news.announce.newusers along with tons and tons of cool stuff. For you WWW based people the following URLs are very very handy: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/ http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/top.html Happy posting! Adam -- Adam J. Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@radix.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam J. Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Posting on newsgroups Date: 3 Sep 1999 09:32:10 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7qoikq$rh7$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <7qoi7m$qsd$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20793 In article <7qoi7m$qsd$1@saltmine.radix.net>, Adam J. Finkelstein wrote: >Of course some idiot will say that all this is restricting their freedom and >that they can post whatever they want, and however they want to this and >any other newsgroup. Well, they can, sadly, and then the best thing to do >is to put them into you killfile if your newsreader has that capability. >(I suggest you obtain a newsreader that does.) Example. I'm adding to the thread above. Sorry if this is oversimplified, but maybe it's not too obvious. For Killfile information: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq/part1/index.html -- Adam J. Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@radix.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam J. Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hey! It's a new thread! Date: 3 Sep 1999 09:55:39 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7qok0r$es$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37d10571.8861226@news2.i-link-2.net> <7qbjdv$vsr$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <37cacff1.5217245@news2.i-link-2.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Summary: Topic changes, title changes, or thread changes. Can you say that? Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20794 In article <37cacff1.5217245@news2.i-link-2.net>, Real Name wrote: >Hi, > > We're getting too political, >to post this sort of material in a >beekeeping newsgroup . > > But, I rarely pass up an opportunity >to rant . Great! Rant away, it's your prerogative. Please change the article tile, so we can decide if we want to read your rant or not. Or, you can begin a new thread. Nothing is off-topic as long as a poster follows the posting conventions previously established. :-) Adam -- Adam J. Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From pollinator@aol.comnospam Sat Sep 4 06:58:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Sep 1999 12:32:04 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990903083204.16074.00000384@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20795 In article , "John O'Brien" writes: >I've been wondering recently if beekeepers in general are >contributing to the demise of the honey bee. > >I don't think we are the cause, but by restricting the bees >from swarming are we not unwittingly contributing to it? Well I'm not gonna' raise my livestock (at great expense) and then let them run off to go wild in the woods. I'm gonna' keep my "calves," if I possibly can. Be my guest, if you want to restock the wild. But, if you are in a populated area, you may get your neighbors plenty sore at you, if they realize your swarm took up in their wall. There was a day when wild bees survived easily and propagated freely. That was before AFB, chalkbrood, two kinds of parasitic mites, one parasitic beetle, monoculture, intense pesticide use, suburbanite paranoia, hedgerow removal, clearcut logging, and a host of other things that make survival in the wild less and less likely. We may regret it, but we can't change it. We've domesticated the honeybee, as much as it can be domesticated, and it is almost impossible for it to survive on its own. If we find a bee that's tough enough to live and propagate in the wild, it'll probably be a killer bee...... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From swehe@earthlink.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Susan Wehe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Problem Hive Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 10:46:41 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 3 Sep 1999 15:45:46 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Sep 3 08:55:07 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 21 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip85.san-antonio6.tx.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <37CFED61.659E2B39@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20796 Hey y'all, I need a little help with my two hives. Did a hive check yesterday (we won't discuss my one sting that caused my left eye to swell shut), and found one very healthy hive with at least 60 lbs of honey and one with two full supers of brood and very little honey. I put the feeder on the second hive and they're going through it like they're starving. Both of these were packages established in March of this year. Do I simply have an over productive queen? Can I go ahead and medicate since I obviously won't be harvesting honey from the second hive? The hive was very aggressive (hence the sting), was this due to the lack of stored food? Any suggestions to prevent this from happening again? BTW, the hive has two large supers on bottom and one honey super on top (which they haven't utilized), do I need to change the configuration? I'm in South Central Texas, how much honey should I leave on the productive hive? Thank you for any help. susan, who will now tuck her ponytail in her shirt to prevent the veil >from getting caught on it From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Sep 4 06:58:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Sep 1999 10:45:00 GMT References: <7qnju7$ne0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990903064500.27480.00004036@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20797 >All I'm saying is that mites out there waiting for them, so to speak, is >just one aspect of the problem with replenishing the "feral" bees via >allowing swarming behaviour to go unchecked. > >~ actually i think its all that yankee manure being put into the ground around here. Before the invasion began all we had was good ole southern crap, feeding the plants and grass throughout the forest and dell, now them dang yankees with their strange foods and drinks are poisoning our land with their glow in the dark stinky. what we needs is a constipation that'll attack em with the only cure being to go back north. thar i've had my friday morning say Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 20:01:32 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 66 Message-ID: <37d01eab.4232147@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <19990903064500.27480.00004036@ng-cr1.aol.com> <19990903070601.00442.00003806@ng-da1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20798 Hi, The War's ended ? Who said that ? You mean the Stars and Bars is the New York State Flag, now ? Finally ! Ken . On 03 Sep 1999 11:06:01 GMT, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: >From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) > >>actually i think its all that yankee manure being put into the ground around >>here. Before the invasion began all we had was good ole southern crap, >>feeding >>the plants and grass throughout the forest and dell, now them dang yankees >>with >>their strange foods and drinks are poisoning our land with their glow in the >>dark stinky. >>what we needs is a constipation that'll attack em with the only cure being to >>go back north. >> >>thar i've had my friday morning say >> >> >>Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > Ahem...... > > The war ended more than a century ago. Are you going to nurse this forever, >or are you going to decide to move on in life? > > - Typical southern problem.....other folks pick other grudges to nurse. > > > >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > >Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) >http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying workers ????? Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 20:01:34 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 58 Message-ID: <37d1225a.5175389@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <936305050.878193@ridge.spiritone.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20799 Hi, Old time bekeepers have known this since shortly after the turn of the century . Most bees a black, and yellow/orange colors . But some are black/red . The red looks a lot like orange, and the laying workers hide among the foragers that way, but a watchful beekeeper can always tell in advance which bees are out to cause trouble . Also, just as queens make a distinctive sound, though it may be too late to save the hive, you can always tell when the deep orange bees are around, from the deep orange sounds coming from the queen's retinue . Ken . On 2 Sep 1999 20:44:16 GMT, "gene/janice" wrote: >This was printed in the Portland Oregonian today. >Sometimes I wonder about some of our University >research etc. Now I quote. >"Ben Oldroyd, science lecturer at Sydney University >says he's discovered a genetic mutation among honeybees. >It seems one in 2.5 million female worker bees rebel and lay >fake eggs. Within months, all the workers begin laying eggs, >the queen is toppled, workers strike and the colony crumbles. >Says Oldroyd "It's really weird to watch." > > > > > Gene > > From awm@skyshots.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 4 06:58:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!skyshots.demon.co.uk!awm From: Alan Mackie Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Some Philosophy (was Re: Units of Selection) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:20:59 +0100 Organization: AWM Enterprises Message-ID: References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37c436d9.30481875@news.cidial.com> <7q1nbs$cqn$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c600b3.40041012@news.cidial.com> <7qohbk$pjt$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: skyshots.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: skyshots.demon.co.uk:193.237.18.154 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 936396565 nnrp-10:29095 NO-IDENT skyshots.demon.co.uk:193.237.18.154 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168593 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:184 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20800 Adam, >Charlie Kroeger wrote: > >>Prions are the first "whatever" to exhibit life like behavior and replicate >>themselves without any DNA present. Maybe they're from outer space. Maybe >>it's an invasion? And you replied: >This is fascinating, and grounds for a great debate. Above, you describe a >prion as "being from outer space". Nope, he didn't. Therefore the rest of your argument is spurious at best /and/ off-topic. Why not try it in a newsgroup devoted to reading and comprehension skills? But please, not in here. -- Alan ____________ Alan Mackie, Owner/Manager of Skyshots Aerial Photography - www.skyshots.demon.co.uk From hgbcpa@nospam.att.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor not available. Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:59:47 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7qpgdb$h7v$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.106.98 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 936396011 17663 12.73.106.98 (3 Sep 1999 22:00:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Sep 1999 22:00:11 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20801 Today I pulled last of honey supers to begin medication for the fall. I understood an extractor was available but now find it isn't. Have medicated all but two hives. My question - Can I simply load all the honey supers >from several different hives on the unmedicated hives until the extractor becomes available or must I seek an alternative to keeping the honey . -- Howard Bowles For replies, remove 'nospam' from address. From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Sep 4 06:58:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor not available. Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Sep 1999 23:57:10 GMT References: <7qpk7o$i3o$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mes