"Bee Culture", the Walter T. Kelly Co. Thanks. Mike Triplett 74362.2746@compuserve.com From PFVH53B@prodigy.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: PFVH53B@prodigy.com (John Lisiecki) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MI - Beekeeping Hardware Date: 4 Jun 1996 01:34:18 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4p03qq$15g2@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Looking for a local beekeeping supply dealer, located in the SE Michigan area. Any help would be appreciated. John L. From ch90033@central.ntua.gr Tue Jun 18 09:59:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!news.ntua.gr!news.central.ntua.gr!not-for-mail From: ch90033@central.ntua.gr (Nik.Tsoukas) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: harmless pesticides? Date: 31 May 1996 15:10:34 GMT Organization: National Technical University of Athens, Greece Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4on25a$b91@zeus.central.ntua.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.central.ntua.gr X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Hello all, I am having a big problem with caterpillars which are detroying some peanut trees that I have. The problem is that I have 3 hives nearby. Is there any pesticide that could get rid of the caterpillars, yet leaving the hives unaffected? And what about the ants; how can I get rid of a nearby ant nest? Thanks, Nick Tsoukas -- \\/// (o-o) +------ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------------------+ | Nick Tsoukas.. Chemical Eng. Dep.- N.T.U.A | |---------------------------+--------------------| | japetus | Merlin 3, | | ntsoukas@chemeng.ntua.gr | GR-106 71 ATHENS | | ch90033@central.ntua.gr | tel: (30-1)3635652 | From bbaker@iafrica.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!udel!rochester!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!pipex-sa.net!iafrica.com!slipper19511.iafrica.com!bbaker From: bbaker@iafrica.com (David Barras-Baker) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: South African Farming Estate Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:04:59 Organization: Internet Africa Lines: 123 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: slipper19511.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] South African Farming Estate Dear Sirs James Macgregor is retiring shortly and therefore for the first time in 72 years this magnificent South African farming estate is for sale: Located in the beautiful Eastern Transvaal lowveld 30 mins drive from the internationally famous Kruger National Park. A mere ten minutes drive from White River (the closest town) and fifteen minutes to the Country Club which boasts a championship 18 hole Golf Course. Name: - Lochaber Estates Heidelberg Valley White River Mphumalanga South Africa Contact: James Macgregor Telephone: +27 13 751-2711 Fax: +27 13 751-2711 (request fax line) Postal Address: PO Box 186 White River 1240 Mphumalanga South Africa Size: - 520 Hectares History: - Purchased in 1922 by Col. Norman Eaton Macgregor. Developed into a flourishing citrus and citrus nursery estate. Currently owned and managed by James Mohr Macgregor. The primary crop currently produced is tobacco. Secondary crops include maize, dried sugar beans and 13,000 macadamia trees under micro-irrigation. 100 hectares of timber (saligna). A herd of 120 head of cattle is also ranched on the estate. Irrigation: - Irrigation water supplied by canal system from Witklip Dam; capacity 13.2 million Cubic Metres - 200 hectares scheduled - 9 irrigation electric pumping stations - underground piping on 150 hectares - 2 boreholes for main houses Buildings: - 19 bulk curing tobacco barns 2 large storage and sorting sheds 1 roller mill for maize meal 40 simplex units for farm labourers 1 fully equipped farm workshop 8 storerooms Schools: - 1 pre-school (crèche) 25 children 1 primary school (100 Children) Housing: - Main Homestead (500 square metres) - magnificent colonial style family home set in breathtaking scenic surroundings. - 6 bedrooms - 3 bathrooms - fully fitted kitchen and pantry - 2 Lounges - 2 Dining rooms - large covered patio surrounding front area of the home - fully equipped laundry block - swimming pool & pool house - tennis court - covered garages for 7 vehicles - home/woodworking workshop Large Managers Home - swimming pool - large garden - 3 bedrooms - separate self contained cottage Forman's cottage - 2 bedrooms - bathroom - lounge - dining room/kitchen Office - fully equipped with strongroom and safe etc. - telephone, fax and computer facilities Vehicles: - 9 tractors 2 LDV's 2 VW Golf cars 1 3.5 ton truck 3 motorcycles Equipment: - 7 trailers - 2 ploughs - 3 discs - 1 planter - 2 threshers - 2 generators Asking Price: US$1.6 million (negotiable) For further information contact: James or Joan Macgregor Telephone: +27 13 751-2711 Fax: +27 13 751-2711 (request fax line) Postal Address: PO Box 186 White River 1240 Mphumalanga South Africa From alan.craig@durham.ac.uk Tue Jun 18 09:59:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!yama.mcc.ac.uk!liv!strath-cs!nntphost.dur.ac.uk!nntp From: Alan Craig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: stings/lavender oil Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 12:04:52 +0100 Organization: University of Durham, Durham, UK. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <31B41854.41C67EA6@durham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: noether.dur.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) I got a couple of stings on Saturday; they usually come up in quite a large hard bump and are uncomfortable for a week or so. The person I was with suggested putting lavender oil on the site of the sting, and this seems to have controlled it completely. Was this just chance, or has anyone else had this experience? Alan From vcrimku@sandia.gov Tue Jun 18 09:59:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!hookup!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Publications Date: 4 Jun 1996 14:26:48 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4p1h39$fsc@news.sandia.gov> References: <4ovpgo$2fu$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: 74362.2746@CompuServe.COM The phone #'s requested: Bee Culture (by the A.I.Root Company) 1-800-289-7668 ext. 3220 FAX (330)725-5624 email: bculture@aol.com American Bee Journal (by Dadant) (217)847-3324 could not find a 1-800 # FAX (217)847-3660 Walter T. Kelly 1-800-233-2899 for credit card orders (502)242-2012 FAX (502)242-4801 Michael W. Triplett <74362.2746@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Can anyone provide the address, 800 phone number, and/or e-mail >address to any of the following publications/suppliers or any >other good bee publications/suppliers. "American Bee Journal", >"Bee Culture", the Walter T. Kelly Co. Thanks. > >Mike Triplett >74362.2746@compuserve.com From pkt@ix.netcom.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!hookup!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!news From: pkt@ix.netcom.com(Pat ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where have the bees gone? Date: 4 Jun 1996 14:28:54 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4p1h76$fam@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <31B41854.41C67EA6@durham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: sjx-ca24-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 04 9:28:54 AM CDT 1996 I am not a scientist, but have always been fascinated with the "good" insects such as bees. My question for you experts is based on my personal observation that there don't seem to be as many bees as I remember seeing in years past. Has something happened to the bee population? From wakingup@postoffice.ptd.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news.tamu.edu!bcm.tmc.edu!pendragon!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ptd.net!news From: wakingup@postoffice.ptd.net (Frank Warner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where have the bees gone? Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 19:58:03 GMT Organization: ProLog - PenTeleData, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4p24u7$595@ns2.ptd.net> References: <31B41854.41C67EA6@durham.ac.uk> <4p1h76$fam@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: wakingup@postoffice.ptd.net NNTP-Posting-Host: cs3-15.con.ptd.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 pkt@ix.netcom.com(Pat ) wrote: >I am not a scientist, but have always been fascinated with the "good" >insects such as bees. My question for you experts is based on my >personal observation that there don't seem to be as many bees as I >remember seeing in years past. >Has something happened to the bee population? Apparently the mites have had some ill effect on feral honey bees. Frank From bbirkey@interaccess.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!interaccess!usenet From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Publications Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 15:01:36 -0500 Organization: Birkey Construction Lines: 18 Message-ID: <31B49621.193C@interaccess.com> References: <4ovpgo$2fu$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> Reply-To: bbirkey@interaccess.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d184.w.interaccess.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Michael W. Triplett wrote: > > Can anyone provide the address, 800 phone number, and/or e-mail > address to any of the following publications/suppliers or any > other good bee publications/suppliers. "American Bee Journal", > "Bee Culture", the Walter T. Kelly Co. Thanks. > > Mike Triplett > 74362.2746@compuserve.com The number for Dadant to get the "American Bee Journal" is: 1-800-637-7468. -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, IL. USA bbirkey@interaccess.com From chambers@plains.nodak.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.uoknor.edu!news.nodak.edu!plains!chambers From: chambers@plains.nodak.edu (Michael A Chambers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeepers/arthritus Date: 4 Jun 1996 20:36:19 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network (NDHECN) Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4p26o3$fg1@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] It seems like beekeeping and arthritus are not found together. Does venom have a documented therapeutic affect? If so, why are pharmacy companies not going after as much bee venom as the possibly can? Thanks, Mike From Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 18 09:59:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeepers/arthritus Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:49:15 +0100 Organization: . Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4p26o3$fg1@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4p26o3$fg1@daily-planet.nodak.edu>, Michael A Chambers writes >It seems like beekeeping and arthritus are not found together. Does >venom have a documented therapeutic affect? > >If so, why are pharmacy companies not going after as much bee venom as >the possibly can? > >Thanks, >Mike > I suggest that you take a look at http://www.shore.net/~spectrum/apitherapy.html There is some information about "Bee Venom Therapy" there. Good luck, -- Paul Walton Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Toddington, Bedfordshire, England. Tel. +44 (0)1525 875570 From WCPX60A@prodigy.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: WCPX60A@prodigy.com (Justin Diener) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey flows in California's Central Valley Date: 4 Jun 1996 22:53:54 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4p2eq2$eqi@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.253.45 X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I've kept bees here for two years and I have yet to see any major flows in this area. I have had bees on safflower, cotton, and mesquite but I haven't seen the production like you hear of from the midwest. Comments are appreciated. Thank you. From bermshot@ix.netscape.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!news From: Mike Carbiener Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Parts Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 19:24:41 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 7 Message-ID: <31B4EFE9.5EED@ix.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sjx-ca68-19.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 04 7:21:59 PM PDT 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) I just received the body for a hive with 3 supers and was wondering if anybobody could direct me to a cheap source of wax and frames, as well as a smoker, etc..... I might also need some bees, so if anybody knows of a good place to order let me know. I live in San Jose California Mike bermshot@ix.netcom.com From jdalexa@his.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!news.his.com!news From: John Alexander Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees ignoring sugar syrup Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 23:39:54 -0400 Organization: Heller Information Services, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <31B5018A.7D72@his.com> References: <9605312057292077@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jdalexa.his.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Pardon my uneducatedness, but I'm gathering info and equipment to start hives next spring. What sort of sugar syrup do you feed the bees? Is plain cane sugar sufficient, or is corn sugar better? mailto:jdalexa@his.com John Alexander/Beltsville, MD From jdalexa@his.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!news.his.com!news From: John Alexander Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use for contaminated honey? Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 23:48:04 -0400 Organization: Heller Information Services, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <31B50374.63EA@his.com> References: <833770007snz@butt.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: jdalexa.his.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) I have been careless in storing some buckets of solidified Oil Seed Rape honey. Mice have got into a couple of buckets so that the honey cannot be used for human consumption. Is there any way I can make use of it for feeding bees? Bees seem to collect water from some pretty repellant sources without compromising the quality of the honey we collect. - if they are storing in supers would any contamination go straight into the honey harvest? - if I feed it in the Autumn there is presumably a risk that it will crystallise in the comb and be unusable. Is there any alternative to disposing of it? Thanks for any ideas, Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff Butt geoff@butt.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff, I'm very new to the bee scene - not having started hives yet, but I find your high standards to be an example to all. You are someone to look up to and emulate. Keep up the good work and good luck John Alexander From tvf@umich.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees ignoring sugar syrup Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 10:34:37 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 9 Message-ID: <31B59AFD.5A01@umich.edu> References: <9605312057292077@beenet.com> <31B5018A.7D72@his.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) John Alexander wrote: > > Pardon my uneducatedness, but I'm gathering info and equipment to > start hives next spring. > What sort of sugar syrup do you feed the bees? Is plain cane sugar > sufficient, or is corn sugar better? Generally, in early spring or to get package bees started, use cane sugar:water::1:1 (by weight). In the fall, to supplement stores and to feed Fumadil, use cane sugar:water:2:1. From tvf@umich.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where have the bees gone? Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 10:42:24 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 19 Message-ID: <31B59CD0.5911@umich.edu> References: <31B41854.41C67EA6@durham.ac.uk> <4p1h76$fam@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <4p24u7$595@ns2.ptd.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Frank Warner wrote: > > pkt@ix.netcom.com(Pat ) wrote: > > >I am not a scientist, but have always been fascinated with the "good" > >insects such as bees. My question for you experts is based on my > >personal observation that there don't seem to be as many bees as I > >remember seeing in years past. > > >Has something happened to the bee population? > > Apparently the mites have had some ill effect on feral honey bees. This is quite an understatement! In most of the country, varroa mites have completely wiped out all traces of the wild (feral) honeybee colonies. In addition, they have devastated apiaries of many beekeepers, who have sustained losses in the 50-90% (or more) range this last autumn and winter. Ted Fischer From bmoon@pacbell.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!usenet From: Moon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bumblebee hive Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 09:01:04 -0700 Organization: A customer of Pacific Bell Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <31B5AF40.27FD@pacbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-170-4.scrm01.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBWE (Win95; I) Today while weeding out our flower beds (SEVERELY overgrown), I started noticing bumble bees flying towards one of our rose bushes, and disappearing into the ground. It turns out their hive is in the middle of our flower bed. Should I be worried about rooting around near the hive? Is there any way of us getting along there together, am I going to get in a tangle with them if I keep weeding around their hive, or is there anyone in northern california who wants to have an observation hive of bumblebees (as mentioned earlier in the newsgroup)? I don't really want to kill these guys, but it does make me a tad bit nervous to be sitting a few feet from the hive and digging in the ground. thanks! Kristy From nobody@nowhere.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!news.myna.com!dh-1 From: nobody@nowhere.com (Nobody in Particular) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Royal Jelly Extraction Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 20:46:47 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4p4rel$gjn@melon.myna.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dh-1.rn1.myna.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Of all the books I can find, they only talk about royal jelly, and what it does for the bees. Never do they explain how it is extracted. Can anyone point me in the right direction?? /sb From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mite workshops I have known Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 14:12:54 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 61 Message-ID: <1779DC7E6S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu I mail off-list my thanks to Andy for posting the August 10 Mite Workshop announcement and included my notes on a presentation I attended at the Worcester County Beekeepers Association this April. Andy encouraged me to post them to this list, so what the hey?! Any errors in content are mine, I can't write as fast as the speaker could talk! /Aa >---------------------------< Dr. Cynthia Scott-Dupree Addresses Worcester County Beekeepers I had the pleasure of attending the April 13 meeting of the Worcester County Beekeepers Association where Dr. Cynthia Scott-Dupree of the University of Guelph in Ontario spoke about Canadian Beekeeping and mites as a vector in spreading viruses in bees. The "Canadian Beekeeping" presentation was very informative, but my main interest (and that of the more than 100 attend- ing beekeepers) was in hearing what Dr. Scott-Dupree had to say about the mites. The conundrum faced by bee researchers is that it's easy to blame bees' demise on V-mites or T- mites or both, but the truth of the matter is that although we know mites are here, scientists aren't sure what exactly is the cause of bee pathology based on the effect of the mites' presence. The focus of current research is on how the mites may act as vectors in spreading the approximately twenty identified bee viruses, which are hard to identify in the field and whose symptoms may appear as common infectious diseases, hence being easily misidentified. Studies done by Drs. Dupree and Brenda Ball (in the UK) have indicated that with the stock of bees tested in their studies, there ap- pears to be no correlation between tracheal mites and honeybee viruses. This is the good news, which could lead one to conclude that although tracheal mites are a problem not to be overlooked, the threat is not as nefarious as that posed by varroa mites, which did exhibit a significant cor- relation in the spread of chronic bee paralysis virus types one and two, hairless black bee virus, Kashmir bee virus, black queen cell virus and others. It is important to note that many of these viruses are present in a hive environment in all stages of bee development as non-damaging pathogens. However it is perhaps the manner in which varroa feed on honeybees that activates the viruses, helping them to flour- ish to the detriment of the colony population. In the meantime while scientists continue to search for an- swers and solutions to the mite problems we beekeepers need to manage our bees to reduce stressors as much as possible to help them remain healthy. This includes using approved medications such as Fumidil-B for nosema and Terramycin for foulbrood, and approved treatments to combat mites, which include grease patties, menthol and Apistan. Of course one must always follow the directions when using these treat- ments to avoid contaminating the honey to be harvested. In these mite infested times a beekeeper may have to forego some of the honey crop in order to treat their bees in con- formance with label instructions. The mites have made keep- ing bees a whole new ball game and new management techniques need to be developed to keep beekeepers from striking out. From skyscape@mail.mts.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!worldlinx.com!top.mts.net!usenet From: Skyscape Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Contaminated Cargill Syrup Date: 6 Jun 1996 01:59:02 GMT Organization: MTS Internet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4p5e16$11fo@top.MTS.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wnklts03-p03.mts.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22KIT (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi, I'm new posting to this newsgroup. I am looking for any other people or information as per contaminated syrup from Cargill. We lost 75% of bees and have got the cold shoulder from Coop and Cargill. Has anyone else had this problem? Matt Tubil From tvf@umich.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!osshe.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Royal Jelly Extraction Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 09:50:42 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 13 Message-ID: <31B6E232.2C52@umich.edu> References: <4p4rel$gjn@melon.myna.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Nobody in Particular wrote: > > Of all the books I can find, they only talk about royal jelly, and what it > does for the bees. Never do they explain how it is extracted. Can anyone > point me in the right direction?? > > /sb Did you try "The Hive and the Honeybee"? I believe that there is a small section on royal jelly collection in that volume. If I remember correctly, it involves crowding small hives of one hive body so that they are in a super-swarming mode, then entering the hive weekly to discard the queen larvae and pipette out the royal jelly that is secreted into the still open queen cells. Since royal jelly is a high protein substance, it ought to be frozen or freeze dried for preservation. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.mindspring.com!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEST QUALITY MEXICAN HONEYBUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES IN MEXICO*********** Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:11:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606060739592092@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: Lines: 65 ***************************The easiest way to make contact and business with Me ican companies *TRADE CONTACTS* ---------------------------------------- From: MEXICO CONTACT Subject: BEST QUALITY MEXICAN HONEY BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES IN MEXICO **************************************** The easiest way to make contact and business with Mexican companies COMPANY PROFILE: Nectar de Campeche SA de CV PRODUCT CHARACTERISTICS:Honey of the highest quality. 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Lehmann, Ph.D.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeepers/arthritus - let's see data, not hype Date: 6 Jun 1996 15:48:06 GMT Organization: Medical College of Ohio Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <4p26o3$fg1@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.247.30.78 In article <4p26o3$fg1@daily-planet.nodak.edu>, chambers@plains.nodak.edu (Michael A Chambers) wrote: > It seems like beekeeping and arthritus are not found together. Does > venom have a documented therapeutic affect? > On what basis do you say that beeking and arthritis don't go together? Where are the data? At any event, I expect many of those keepers who develop arthritis will stop keeping bees. Lehmann@opus.mco.edu Medical College of Ohio From steven@idma.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!wizard.pn.com!news.zeitgeist.net!usenet From: steven@idma.com (Steven Katz) Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.misc,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Carpenter bees? Date: 6 Jun 1996 15:59:31 GMT Organization: IDMA Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4p6v93$r1s@kadath.zeitgeist.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: www.idma.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (beta 2) Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.misc:5374 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4567 Big, black, bee-like insects have begun burrowing holes in the wood overhang of my house. I've been told that they are carpenter bees. What should I do to get rid of them and keep them away? Please copy replies to me. -Steven From pat.w@zetnet.co.uk Tue Jun 18 09:59:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!usenet From: pat.w@zetnet.co.uk (Patrick Woodward) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use for contaminated honey? Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 21:40:15 +0100 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4p7ga0$1u6@roch.zetnet.co.uk> References: <833770007snz@butt.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: piccadilly.zetnet.co.uk In message <833770007snz@butt.demon.co.uk> geoff butt writes: > - if I feed it in the Autumn there is presumably a risk that it will > crystallise in the comb and be unusable. > Is there any alternative to disposing of it? I've got about 250lbs of crystallised honey in combs - The bees seem happy to feed on it in spring, when they can get out for water. The rest goes into a solar wax extractor and then on to make mead - I don't like the stuff, but it gets rid of the honey! Pat Woodward pat.w@zetnet.co.uk From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: LA "KILLER BEE" HYPE Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:26:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606070407042095@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 92 Today's 6-6-96 San Francisco Chronicle continues the hype of the Africanized "killer bee" by running a story from the LA Daily News on how the LAPD is receiving "killer bee" training with no special bee equipment but the leg's issued by God to man so they can run, and run is what they are expected to do. "When the bee does arrive, Los Angeles has to be prepared." according to Michael Pearson, an Africanized honeybee specialist for the county's agricultural commissioner. Officers are being trained to respond to the many 911 calls they expect to get as the "killer bees" attack and sting Los Angeleno's as many a 1,500 times in characteristic mass attacks that have killed two people in Arizona and two in Texas since their arrival in the late 80's to Texas from Mexico and now in California entering from Arizona via train sometime in October 1994 according to an earlier story. LA agricultural officials do not know how long it will take the bees to reach Los Angeles from Riverside County, where they attacked one or two people last year. But they estimated that it would take more than a year. (A little faster hitch hiking by train.) Well all this is good some will say, but I would guess that since the so called Africanized Killer Bee's have entered the US and killed 4 people, (which is a number that is in dispute), that the good old gentle European honeybee has been responsible for ten times that number of deaths, few which merit mention in the major newspapers. You say what the harm if every police department learns how to handle bees...for one thing they don't have the equipment, and of course will have to buy it...not that old bee veil you use...or the white coveralls... heck NO..how about the super duper bee-bullet proof, insulated, cooled, throwaway kind..you know the one that will add a thousand bucks per man to the budget, and then there's the special Bee Swat Team trucks a la Texas style, and on and on, an $$. So it will cost money, but thats just the beginning..give a cop a ticket book and he is expected to write tickets, give a cop a bee veil with a gun and he will shoot it off...hum.. there goes a suspected beekeeper now, bet he's got "killer bees", you can tell by the old truck he drives.......STOP or I will *BANG* shoot. Darn missed the bees but sure put a hole in the guys truck,,,oh darn just another California Certified Afro FREE Beekeeper. Too bad about the hole in your truck buddy,..hay guy I would get your helper to a hospital he looks bad with all that blood running out of his head...."You know we have "killer bees" in this area, and I've been trained to spot them"...it's a dirty job, but I can do it. Now I am sure some of you will condemn me for writing the above, but let me tell you the training these policemen are receiving is no better then the above, with their own video dramatization of the police running away from a swarms of bees, and worse, half truths about these so called "killer bees" and the danger to the public from them in the US, which is no grater according to those who are not in the bee hype business then any other bees, also from some with new regrets they were once caught up in the "killer bee" hype. But then if they are, (killer bees), whats the difference, how long do any of you believe you will be keeping bees after yours kill your neighbor or his kids even if you are a certified beekeepers and have seen every training film ever made? I can assure you that if the killer bees were indeed different and killed the hundreds or thousands in South America there would be no South American beekeepers, or their families, left to keep bees, let alone their beehives, as they would have been killed, burned, or driven out to revenge the first deaths in any rural village I know about in SA. But here we are more civilized, we will only sue you to death if your bees start killing my family. My solution, let the beekeeper's keep the bees, let the police keep the peace. Tell you local police department you will pick up swarms. If you are in a "killer bee" zone, charge them $150, demand police barricades to keep the public away, and 5 million in insurance before you put out that swarm bee box, (if you think you can get it). Or just do as we have been doing,...always have done..the best you can. Yeh, "killer" bees, I got them, heck, had em for years, they are no different from any other bees I have, well maybe a little hotter to handle, but then I am a beekeeper and thats my job, and if my bee's could kill I would have died long ago as I am the favoured target of my own bees. (And every bee regulator that has slimed this earth.) ttul OLd Drone BTW-Check your local bee regulations, as some areas may require a special ($) permit before you can pick up swarms or may require all swarms be destroyed by a licensed pest control person using only approved chemicals. (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The Spider and the Bee. Fable x. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: harmless pesticides? Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:59:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606070407042096@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <4on25a$b91@zeus.central.ntua.gr> Lines: 26 C>From: ch90033@central.ntua.gr (Nik.Tsoukas) >Subject: harmless pesticides? C>Hello all, > I am having a big problem with caterpillars which are detroying >some peanut trees that I have. The problem is that I have 3 hives nearby. >Is there any pesticide that could get rid of the caterpillars, yet leaving >the hives unaffected? > And what about the ants; how can I get rid of a nearby ant nest? Hi Nick, Need more info in the caterpillars..but if its only a few peanut "trees" you may be able to use some form of DIPEL, which is a bacillus that should not harm honeybees. Or if they are really trees with a central trunk you could use sticky paper rap or paint, but depends on what caterpillars you have and if they are hatching in the peanuts or coming >from outside. How many peanut trees do you have? As for the ants, unless they are some kind of problem, best left alone, but dust the nests if can find them with dusting grade sulfur, and or band around the bee hive with it and/or the trees. Don't get it on the leaves if you are not sure if it will burn them or not. ttul Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there is honey, there are beekeepers" From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kinds of Hives Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 02:03:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606070407042097@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 67 *Ripped off the BEE-List, Good Info on Bee Hives. ---------------------------------------- From: "Kerry Clark of AGF 784-2225 fax (604) 784 2299" Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:17:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Kinds of Hives A remarkable hive design, with significance for ancient beekeeping, is the clay pot used for hundreds of years (and still) in Crete. It is used upright (like a large flower pot) and has moveable-combs as a result of top bars laid over the opening. I think pots with a similar design have been found in ruins (Knosus?) dating from 1000 B.C. I attended the Apimondia meeting in Athens (1985?) where there was a display which included a few examples. Since I was travelling to Crete, I made a point of asking about any working bee yards. The quest and touring was an interesting combination of objectives, and lead to several dead ends miles off the beaten path. I found several interesting modern apiaries, and once was shown a remnant of one of the skeps, cast aside near the apiary, used by a beekeeper's grandfather. I finally found an excellent example of the clay skeps near a village on the south coast: a bee yard carved out of the hillside, perhaps decades ago, with twenty or so live colonies, all in the clay hives. The beekeeper (in his 70's) and his wife lived in the village about 3 km away. Unfortunately the language barrier limited our conversation, and it was too hot for him to consider visiting the yard, but I was able to observe the colonies over a couple of days. The total volume of the pots (each slightly different) was about the same as 2 standard North American boxes. The colonies in the hot dry September were very weak in my experience (occupying maybe 6 frames). Honey harvest was accomplished by cutting off lower edges of comb, bringing them home in a pot, chopping them in a colander covered with cheesecloth and draining the honey. A jar of such honey would indeed be precious. The hive tool was a larger version similar to the standard ones, except the straight end had a sort of fork, for spearing and retreiving pieces of comb that had fallen to the bottom of the pot. The entrance for the bees was a horizontal slot less than 10 cm long, at the base of the hive. Some of the hives had a cross inscribed above the entrance. The pots had 2 "ears" for handholds, although I think they likely stayed in the same place for decades. The top bars were hand hewn from branches of appropriate size (wider than a top bar) but there were no spacers, and the top bars contacted each other to form (mor or less) an inner cover. The hive cover was a 6 inch layer of grape vine prunings, covered with a slab of slate. The beeyard was surrounded by a rough wall of rocks. At the entrance (I don't remember a gate) was a post with an old ram's skull mounted at the top (I heard that this was a defense against the "evil eye"). There was an olive tree for shade, and some clay dishes of water with flat corks, allowing the bees to gather water. In the rush of travel I had to leave, and knew I had missed much of the significance of this glimpse at the roots of apiculture. Whenever I think of the visit, I wonder whether that living example of ancient beekeeping is still there. Pleasant memories. Kerry Clark, Apiculture Specialist B.C. Ministry of Agriculture 1201 103 Ave Dawson Creek B.C. V1G 4J2 CANADA Tel (604) 784-2225 fax (604) 784-2299 INTERNET KCLARK@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The hairy wild-bee that murmurs and hankers up and do From Lord-Binkley@myna.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!van-bc!uniserve!n2van.istar!van.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!news.myna.com!dh-29 From: Lord-Binkley@myna.com (Scott Binkley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Royal Jelly Extraction Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 17:53:46 GMT Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4p9q25$fbg@melon.myna.com> References: <4p4rel$gjn@melon.myna.com> <31B6E232.2C52@umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dh-29.rn2.myna.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <31B6E232.2C52@umich.edu>, "Theodore V. Fischer" wrote: >Nobody in Particular wrote: >> >> Of all the books I can find, they only talk about royal jelly, and what it >> does for the bees. Never do they explain how it is extracted. Can anyone >> point me in the right direction?? >> >> /sb >Did you try "The Hive and the Honeybee"? I believe that there is a small section on royal >jelly collection in that volume. If I remember correctly, it involves crowding small hives >of one hive body so that they are in a super-swarming mode, then entering the hive >weekly to discard the queen larvae and pipette out the royal jelly that is secreted into the >still open queen cells. Since royal jelly is a high protein substance, it ought to be frozen >or freeze dried for preservation. That seems VERY labour intensive. How do they do it commercially? Do they just go to asia, and get cheap labour to do it?? /sb From dsturisky@dttus.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumblebees Date: 8 Jun 1996 03:14:49 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd18-229.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-length: 85 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 4.00.08.32 Hi, I need a brief description of how a bumblebee flies. Can you help. Thanks From CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU Tue Jun 18 09:59:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.uah.edu!hubcap.clemson.edu!usenet From: CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU (CAMILLIUS LAY 19870601) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: harmless pesticides? Date: 4 Jun 1996 15:23:35 GMT Organization: CLEMSON UNIVERSITY Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4p1kdn$4hf@hubcap.clemson.edu> References: <4on25a$b91@zeus.central.ntua.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.clemson.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 In-Reply-To: ch90033@central.ntua.gr's message of 31 May 1996 15:10:34 GMT In <4on25a$b91@zeus.central.ntua.gr> ch90033@central.ntua.gr writes: > Hello all, > I am having a big problem with caterpillars which are detroying > some peanut trees that I have. The problem is that I have 3 hives nearby. > Is there any pesticide that could get rid of the caterpillars, yet leaving > the hives unaffected? > And what about the ants; how can I get rid of a nearby ant nest? > Thanks, > Nick Tsoukas Nick: Anything with BT or BTi (Bacillus thuringiensis or B. thuringiensis var. isrealensis should be fine for caterpillars and relatively harmless to bees. Follow the label. For the ants I'd suggest a bait of some kind, either commercially prepared or home-made. First you'll have to figure out what the ants like to eat (sugars or proteins and fats) so that you can give them something they'll eat. Good luck, C From drewbear@i-link.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.i-link.net!usenet From: drewbear@i-link.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: St. Louis apiary? Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 23:41:48 -0700 Organization: I-Link Inc Lines: 5 Message-ID: <31B920AC.7CEB@i-link.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: austin-2-2.i-link.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Can anyone recommend an apiary in the St. Louis, MO area, or give me information on how I could find such? I'm interested in fresh, untreated honey. Thanks. From edw1@azstarnet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uuneo.neosoft.com!insync!news.azstarnet.com!usr6ip47.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 00:00:13 LOCAL Organization: Arizona Daily Star - AZSTARNET Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr6ip47.azstarnet.com Keywords: bumblebees, flight X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> writes: >From: >Subject: Bumblebees >Date: 8 Jun 1996 03:14:49 GMT >Hi, >I need a brief description of how a bumblebee flies. >Can you help. Well, not exactly - - - but if you are referring to the old saw about "the scientist proves the bumblebee cannot fly, but the bee doesn't know, so keeps on flying", I might. It's my understanding that this saying was based on an early aerodynamics paper published in the 20's or 30's, in which the mathematics were based on a rigid wing for the bee. Too bad, because the bee's wing cups in flight, giving more lift. Your USDA in action, on my own time and computer, John Edwards, Tucson, Arizona From edw1@azstarnet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:33 EDT 1996 Article: 4577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uuneo.neosoft.com!insync!news.azstarnet.com!usr6ip47.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumblebee hive Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 00:15:51 LOCAL Organization: Arizona Daily Star - AZSTARNET Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <31B5AF40.27FD@pacbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr6ip47.azstarnet.com Summary: Buzzzzz X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <31B5AF40.27FD@pacbell.net> Moon writes: >From: Moon >Subject: bumblebee hive >Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 09:01:04 -0700 >noticing bumble bees flying towards one of our rose bushes, >Should I be worried about rooting around near the hive? >Kristy Give Dr. Steve Buchmann a call at 520-670-6380 in Tucson. if he doesn't know, he will know who does. You're prob OK as long as you don't dig in or step on. John E. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:33 EDT 1996 Article: 4578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.mindspring.com!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "America's honeybees are in a bad way". Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 15:59:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606081315002104@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <43eqq8$779@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <1995Sep13.194948.124186@forest> Lines: 65 *FYI* Ed Stockwell is the owner\beekeeper at Stockwell Honey Co that produces some of the best Mesquite honey in the world from the Mexican boarder area of SW Arizona. Stockwell Honey Co was started by his grandfather in the 1940's. Crops can vary from little or nothing to several hundred pounds plus. Ed has first hand every day experience working with the so called "killer bees" as identified by the USDA at $100.+ per hive sampled. Ed has an mechanical engineering degree with honors from the University of Arizona, but has chosen to continue working in the bees as his mother, father, and grandfather before him. Anna, his wife also is a beekeeper and helps in the bees and is a sister in law of a well know bee breeder in Florida where Ed and family have spent several winters working in the queen rearing business. ttul Andy- This message was from EStockwell@aol.com to andy.nachbaur@beenet.com originally in IN-E-MAIL on the WILD BEE'S BBS. ---------------------------------------- From: EStockwell@aol.com To: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:15:36 -0400 Subject: Re: "America's honeybees are in a bad way". Hi Andy, Just finished extracting- big 20 pound crop! It's the land where Jesus lost his sandles. The catsclaw and oak trees are dying, maybe a fifty to one hundred year drought in places. The bees mostly look pretty good. I got some good matings this spring from the best 10% that had drones and it should be that way again this summer since I left the best hives heavy. The really wild, aggressive hives mostly fizzled out last winter, but there are some good crosses, either from them or from the tamer wild ones. One of Dave's red line superseded last Feb. and crossed with some wild stuff I was playing with. The bees are tiny, and a bit runny, but not aggressive. Brood was wood to wood in both directions on the comb and they made a great crop! I've got my eye on a couple of feral hives that wintered and are in good shape. I'll probably pick them up in the next few days. One is a bit jumpy, but the other is not. Both have small, leathery bees. I don't buy the gloom and doom about bees and beekeeping. In about half of my hives I have just been painting them with essential oils (no apistan) in a petroleum jelly base and it seems to be holding the line, especially with regular requeening. I've also had to destroy a couple of swarms that had been established for at least a year. Water and off season food has been a factor in the bee die-offs here in Arizona as well as varroa. The extended poor conditions also caused internal mites/viral problems. As for Jerry Loper's article, I say, " From twelve, many." It looks to me like the honey pipeline is not going to get full for quite some time and thus this may be the start of a several year good cycle. I have a few ideas that I am working on to make it easier to get those lbs of honey in and out. Now all we need is some rain... Take Care, Ed, Chris, Anna Another thought- those wild bees may have some trouble wintering even here in Arizona. I had some stuff that I felt mostly crossed out with the wild ones. They made a huge crop last year, but I had plenty of empty boxes there this spring. These bees may not be much help to the northers, unless they just want to keep the market firm- Ed. <30> --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ All bees are looking for bargains in nature's supermarket From geoff@butt.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 18 09:59:33 EDT 1996 Article: 4579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!chi-news.cic.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!butt.demon.co.uk From: geoff butt Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Use for contaminated honey? Date: Sun, 09 Jun 96 02:32:21 GMT Organization: GTBT Network Lines: 14 Message-ID: <834287541snz@butt.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: geoff@butt.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: butt.demon.co.uk Return-Receipt-To: geoff@butt.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 X-Mail2News-Path: butt.demon.co.uk Many thanks for the replies here and by email. In one email (thanks J) it was mentioned that pieces of crystallised honey could be fed to bees like candy as a spring emergency feed. I have never seen this mentioned before; does anyone else have any experience with this possibility? Now I think about it, it makes me realise I hadn't really questioned how it is that bees can deal with candy. Do they have to be able to access water in order to make use of candy? Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff Butt geoff@butt.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rey@ven.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:34 EDT 1996 Article: 4580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!chi-news.cic.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!pointer.netpoint.net!ns1.ven.net!usenet From: Reynaldo Zavarce Castillo Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: It's a test, please donn't read Date: 8 Jun 1996 19:02:12 GMT Organization: NetPoint de Venezuela Lines: 2 Message-ID: <4pcink$8tu@ns1.ven.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dppp24.ven.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) it's a test. I'm sorry From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:34 EDT 1996 Article: 4581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PANUPS: U.S. Pesticide Use Soars===================================== Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:28:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606091009422107@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <43jsa1$e0e@pipe6.nyc.pipeline.com> Lines: 116 A N U P S***Pesticide Action Network North AmericaUpdates Servicehttp://www.pan a.org/panna/===================================== Subject: PANUPS: U.S. Pesticide Use Soars ===================================== P A N U P S *** Pesticide Action Network North America Updates Service http://www.panna.org/panna/ ===================================== 1995 U.S. Pesticide Use at All-Time High June 7, 1996 New unpublished U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) data documents that U.S. pesticide use reached an all-time high of more than 1.2 billion pounds in 1995. This is over twice as many pounds of chemicals as were used 30 years ago when Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring" was published (540 million pounds in 1964). The unpublished data was obtained and analyzed by the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) and U.S. Public Interest Research Group (U.S. PIRG). According to NRDC, these all-time highs in pesticide use have occurred despite the assertion by the pesticide industry that it has adopted "stewardship" and "integrated pest management" programs that result in smarter and lower pesticide use. The House of Representatives and Senate are expected to consider legislation weakening pesticide safety standards this month, which also could result in even more pesticides being used in the future. The EPA draft document includes 1994 and 1995 figures for 30 chemicals, including acute toxins, suspected carcinogens and chemicals thought to disrupt the human hormone system. The data show that 1.23 billion pounds of pesticides were applied in 1994, representing a jump of more than 100 million pounds >from the previous year. In 1995, 1.25 billion pounds were applied. According to NRDC and U.S. PIRG, EPA draft data likely understates the true level of pesticides in the environment for several reasons. EPA figures include only active ingredients, and do not include so-called "inert" ingredients such as petroleum, benzene and other toxic compounds. These "inert" chemicals can comprise over 50% of the volume of formulated pesticides. In addition, EPA figures exclude non- conventional pesticide uses, such as wood preservatives and disinfectants, which the that EPA has previously estimated at more than one billion pounds per year. Taking these additional uses into consideration, the total U.S. pesticide use in 1994-1995 is estimated at more than 2.2 to 2.3 billion pounds per year. Use of pesticides in agriculture was at an all-time high in 1995, as was industrial, commercial and government use. Expenditures on pesticides also hit a new high of $10.4 billion in 1995. More herbicides were used than during any previous two-year period; more insecticides were used than any previous year since 1981-82; and fungicide use was the highest yet recorded and was over double the amount used in 1979. The reasons for the increase may include greater pest resistance to pesticides, adverse climate factors and pest infestations, as well as advertising and other factors leading to greater farmer and other user acceptance of pesticides Pesticides whose use in the U.S. increased considerably, according to the draft EPA document, included methyl bromide, metam sodium, dichloropropene, acetochlor, sulfur and petroleum oils. Those pesticides whose use dropped substantially included alachlor and cyanazine. According to the new data, worldwide conventional pesticide use also hit an all time high of 4.7 billion pounds in 1995, with the U.S. share at 27% -- a higher percentage than in recent years, according to previously released EPA data. Source: NRDC and U.S. PIRG press release, May 28, 1996; NRDC Summary of EPA Data, May 1996. Contact: Erik Olson, NRDC, 1350 NY Ave NW #200, Washington DC 20005; phone (202) 783-7800; fax (202) 638-4937. Carolyn Hartmann, U.S. PIRG, 218 D Street SE, Washington DC 20003; phone (202) 546-9707; fax (202) 546-2461. =========================================================== *** IMPORTANT NOTE Regarding: PANUPS, May 24, 1996, "New Report Documents Massive Pesticide Use in California." *** To order this report, please send $15 to California Policy Seminar, 2020 Milvia, Suite 412, Berkeley, CA 94704; phone (510) 642-5514; fax (510) 642-8793; email ca.polsem@ucop.edu. Make checks payable to UC Regents. =========================================================== =========================================================== | Pesticide Action Network North America (PANNA) | | | | Phone:(415) 541-9140 Fax:(415) 541-9253 | | Email: panna@panna.org http://www.panna.org/panna/| | PANNA, 116 New Montgomery, #810, San Francisco, CA 94105 | | | |*To subscribe to PANUPS send email to MAJORDOMO@igc.apc.org| | with the following text on one line: subscribe panups | | To unsubscribe send the following: unsubscribe panups | | | |*For basic information about PANNA, send an email message | | to panna-info@igc.apc.org | =========================================================== From ecaldw9669@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:35 EDT 1996 Article: 4582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ecaldw9669@aol.com (ECaldw9669) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeening a colony with queen cells Date: 9 Jun 1996 14:56:00 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4pf6o0$1q1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: ecaldw9669@aol.com (ECaldw9669) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Does anyone have information or experience with requeening a colony with queen cells using cell protectors? We have recently begun trying this method and are wondering if anyone has used this method and what results you obtained. Also, if we don't kill the old queen, when we introduce the queen cell, what percentage of the time will the virgin queen kill the existing queen? Ernest Caldwell Caldwell's Texas Honey San Antonio, Texas USA From Gunner63@concentric.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:35 EDT 1996 Article: 4583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!newshost.comco.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news From: Gunner63@concentric.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: MI - Beekeeping Hardware Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 16:46:42 -0500 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <31BB4642.24C1@concentric.net> References: <4p03qq$15g2@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: Gunner63@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc216378.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (Win95; I) John Lisiecki wrote: > > Looking for a local beekeeping supply dealer, located in the SE Michigan > area. > > Any help would be appreciated. > John L. You can find a Dadant Dealer in Potterville Mi. I am considering starting 10 swarms in the spring of 1997, I reside in Saginaw County and would be interested in your beekeeping experience. I used to have bees with my father back in the 80's. From loganv@earthlink.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:36 EDT 1996 Article: 4584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Logan VanLeigh Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TN Beekeepers Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 20:19:11 -0400 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <31BB69FF.6CE0@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool015.max7.atlanta.ga.dynip.alter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) For the poster moving to Cookeville, TN (or anyone else): Beekeepers of Tennessee. Pres: Marlene Thomas, 196 Long Road, Kingston, TN 37763, 423.376.1838 Mid TN VP: Dwight Tew, 545 Overview Ln, Franklin, TN 37064, 615.791.1578 Welcome! Logan From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:36 EDT 1996 Article: 4585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FREE BEES* Wide bees available to anyone... Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:37:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606100624122112@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <43mnha$q2b@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> Lines: 19 *FREE BEE* from personal e-mail.. ---------------------------------------- From: "Sue Sloan [L-Team]" <75300.1157@CompuServe.COM> To: Andy Nachbaur Date: 09 Jun 96 16:28:15 EDT Subject: Wide bees available to anyone... Andy, I am trying to find someone who will remove a hive of bees from my property. They are in the edge of the roof on an outbuilding, and not hard to get to. The house is in Pound Ridge, Westchester County, New York and I am at 914-764-8376 if you could refer me to anyone in the area. Will pay, but a reasonable amount! Thanks, Sue Sloan --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there is honey, there are beekeepers" From vcrimku@sandia.gov Tue Jun 18 09:59:36 EDT 1996 Article: 4586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!olivea!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees Date: 10 Jun 1996 13:52:54 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4ph9bm$2m6@news.sandia.gov> References: <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) The way it was explained to me: Bumblebees fly forward by going Buzz, Buzz, Buzz ... Bumblebees fly backwards by going zzuB, zzuB, zzuB ... I've got to keep a light heart. We have a major drought here in New Mexico and the bees are not bringing in any nectar. Pollen seems to be OK but there may not be any honey this year. So the anticipated routine for this fall is Feed, Feed, Feed ... Pray for rain! Victor C. Rimkus From m.quimby@lilly.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:37 EDT 1996 Article: 4587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!cronkite.d48.lilly.com!general.d46.lilly.com!m.quimby From: Mike Quimby Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My first successful swarm! Date: 10 Jun 1996 14:06:58 GMT Organization: lilly.com Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4pha62$hjq@cronkite.d48.lilly.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: general.d46.lilly.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:15:54 GMT Greetings to all! My bees decided to give me a second chance. Yesterday afternoon, I came home and walked back to the bees and to my astonishment, a huge swarm was all collected on a hawthorn tree near the hives. 2 feet long and about a 12 inches wide. Well, after blowing it on a first swarm a week ago, I was determined to get this beautiful thing of nature into a new home. My girlfriend and I trimmed away excess branches, and I held the branch while she sawed....success! All bees still together and the branch was in my hands. I walked over to the waiting hive (with extra empty hive body on top), counted to three and... SNAP! WHOOSH! In they went! Wow! What a feeling. I closed up the top and stragglers eventually made it in. Now I have 3 hives! Good luck to all, and may the flowers bloom all season long. Mike Quimby Cardinal Haven Farm Knightstown, Indiana m.quimby@lilly.com From quest@pacificnet.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:37 EDT 1996 Article: 4588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!olivea!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.cais.net!news2.cais.com!news From: quest@pacificnet.net (Cliff Johnson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WTB Small honey extractor (used) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:08:18 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4phhe5$57m@news2.cais.com> Reply-To: quest@pacificnet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.101.13.77 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I am seeking a used manual or powered honey extractor for use on a small honey farm. Please respond by email since I do not regularly access news groups. Cliff Johnson quest@pacificnet.net (Studio City,CA) From quest@pacificnet.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:37 EDT 1996 Article: 4589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.cais.net!news2.cais.com!news From: quest@pacificnet.net (Cliff Johnson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WTB Small honey extractor (used) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:20:32 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4phi54$5av@news2.cais.com> References: <4phhe5$57m@news2.cais.com> Reply-To: quest@pacificnet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.101.13.77 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 quest@pacificnet.net (Cliff Johnson) wrote: >I am seeking a used manual or powered honey extractor for use on a >small honey farm. Please respond by email since I do not regularly >access news groups. >Cliff Johnson quest@pacificnet.net (Studio City,CA) My phone number is: 818-761-5665; FAX 818-761-9501. Cliff Johnson quest@pacificnet.net (Studio City,CA) From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:38 EDT 1996 Article: 4590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Zealand Bee Diseases Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:41:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606101718162113@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 67 *FYI* Official NZ Government reaction to beekeepers post in the BEE-List. ---------------------------------------- From: Cliff Van Eaton Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:47:51 +1200 Subject: New Zealand Bee Diseases In reply to Mr. Patton's message to BEE-L of June 8, 1996 , I would like to clarify the following points for subscribers: 1. My position with the NZ government is Apicultural Advisory Officer, not "Agricultural" Advisory Officer, as Mr. Patton states. 2. The disease described by Dr. Liu identified in his November 1991 American Bee Journal article is "melanosis", not "melanoius" as Mr. Patton states. 3. The disease "melanosis" was not included in the list of bee diseases present in New Zealand included in my April 19, 1996 posting because Dr. Liu's article did not state that the causitive organism of melanosis had been isolated, either in NZ bees, or in NZ queens introduced into Candian hives. While the title of the article identifies melanosis as a disease, and while Bailey and Ball in their work Honey Bee Pathology (2nd ed) state that "a micro-organism of a primitive type appearing to be transitional between yeasts and fungi has been found in the melanized (blackened) patches of epithelial tissue that surround nurse- and egg-cells of ovaries and the poison sac and rectum in queens", Dr. Liu did not state that the condition he found in some NZ queens was in fact caused by any specific organism. He stated that he found melanization (tissuing blackening) in the queens, but makes no mention of isolating any causative organism causing the melanization. Melanization is a a natural defense of insects against micro-organisms and/or tissue wounds, and can be caused by a number of factors. Melanization has been reported in queen bees in many areas of the world, and in my experience (both in NZ and Canada) can be found most often in aging queens. 4. Mr. Patton's states that all the old time beekeepers he has interviewed doubt that NZ is free of EFB. I am unsure as to what evidence these persons have for such a claim. However, the statement I made in my posting of April 19, 1996, that New Zealand is free of European foulbrood is based on a sound surveillance programme. Government apiculture personnel inspect 500 apiaries throughout NZ each year, with the apiaries chosen for their proximity to risk areas. Government apiculture personnel also carry out surveillance for the disease whenever they inspect beehives for any other reason (such as AFB inspection, export certification and pollination hive audits). Any suspect larvae are analysed microscopically at a government bee disease diagnostic laboratory, and those with Streptococcus-like particles are cultured to make a definitive diagnosis. All government apiculture personnel are fully trained in visual diagnosis of EFB symptoms, including familiarisation training in a country where EFB occurs (Australia, US, etc). The surveillance system is audited and subject to review by recognised overseas government agriculture officials and beekeeping industry representatives. 5. Mr. Patton states that the "claim that NZ is free of EFB has in the past been an effective zoosanitary trade barrier which has been an effective trade and economic tool for the NZ honeybee industry as this claim prevents any honeybees, honey and or used equipment from entering NZ". As I made clear in my posting of April 19, 1996, imports of honeybees, honey and other bee products are allowed entry into NZ provided they are determined to have a low risk of introducing exotic honey bee diseases. Millions of dollars of such products are imported into NZ each year. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The bee, dost thou forget? From marlatt Tue Jun 18 09:59:38 EDT 1996 Article: 4591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!cbgw1.att.com!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!scramble.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eff.org!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!coopnews.coop.net!news.den.mmc.com!usenet From: Stuart Marlatt Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees Date: 10 Jun 1996 18:01:46 GMT Organization: Lockheed Martin -- Denver InterNetNews site Lines: 46 Message-ID: <4phnua$rg8@tel.den.mmc.com> References: <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: daystrom.den.mmc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1S (X11; I; IRIX64 6.1 IP26) X-URL: news:edw1.18.002843A9@azstarnet.com edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) wrote: >In article <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> writes: >>From: >>Subject: Bumblebees >>Date: 8 Jun 1996 03:14:49 GMT > > >>Hi, > >>I need a brief description of how a bumblebee flies. >>Can you help. > >Well, not exactly - - - but if you are referring to the old saw about "the >scientist proves the bumblebee cannot fly, but the bee doesn't know, so keeps >on flying", I might. It's my understanding that this saying was based on an >early aerodynamics paper published in the 20's or 30's, in which the >mathematics were based on a rigid wing for the bee. Too bad, because the bee's >wing cups in flight, giving more lift. > Your USDA in action, on my own time and computer, > John Edwards, Tucson, Arizona I don't recall the reference off hand, but I believe that a Sci. American a few years ago looks at this problem. Apparently, the main source of lift for the bee is vortex creation on the upper surface as the wings are rapidly separated on the downstroke. Unlike birds, the wings are brought very close together above the bee's body, and when separated, initiate a relatively strong vortical flowfield - thus lower pressure atop the wing, and thus lift. You might also look into the Ann. Review of Fluid Mechanics over the past decade or so. Also the Journal of Fluid Mech might have an article or two. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The perfection of means and the confusion of ends seems to be our problem. - Alfred Einstein ............................................................................. s.w. marlatt, phd <>< & *(:-) Prov. 25.2 Lockheed Martin Astronautics stuart@daystrom.den.mmc.com M/S DC3003, P.O. Box 179 (303) 971-6629 Denver, CO 80201 (303) 971-6934 (fax) URL: http://liszt.den.mmc.com/docs/swm/swm_home.html (firewall!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be Tue Jun 18 09:59:38 EDT 1996 Article: 4592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!se.bel.alcatel.be!htho From: htho@se.bel.alcatel.be (Hugo Thone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: low temperqture queens Date: 11 Jun 1996 12:55:53 GMT Organization: Alcatel Bell Lines: 20 Sender: htho@btma56 (Hugo Thone) Distribution: world Message-ID: <4pjqcp$ajd@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> Reply-To: thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be NNTP-Posting-Host: btmv56.se.bel.alcatel.be X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-10 Hi, Is there anybody out their who has experience with breeding queens in a breeding-case at a lower temperature then the normal 34-34.5 C (94 F) ? It takes a few days longer for the queeens to emerge, but they should be bigger and stronger (???). I have found the first statement to be through, but I cannot check the other statements. Cheers +++++ Hugo Thone (SE144) ALCATEL TELECOM (\ email : thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be F.Wellesplein 1 {|||8- phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 B-2018 Antwerp (/ fax : (32) 3 240 99 50 do bee do bee do .... From swhl@itl.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:39 EDT 1996 Article: 4593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!netcom.net.uk!news.insnet.net!news.itl.net!newsmaster@olympus.itl.net From: Sacha Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cancer/honey Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 13:25:31 +1508 Organization: Supernet Lines: 8 Message-ID: <30B6446B.135@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.145.1.221 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) CC: misc.health.alternative My dentist has just told me that the surgeon operating on aural cancers here slaps pure honey straight from his own bees onto operating wounds with amazingly good results as to speed and cleanliness of healing. Does anyone else have any information on this? This surgeon is also a believer in not using treatment on varroa affected hives, but in letting the bees build up a natural immunity or crossing them with other varroa resistant strains. Any comments on either subject? Thank you. Sacha From swhl@itl.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:39 EDT 1996 Article: 4594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!netcom.net.uk!news.insnet.net!news.itl.net!newsmaster@olympus.itl.net From: Sacha Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cancer/honey Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 13:25:54 +1508 Organization: Supernet Lines: 8 Message-ID: <30B64482.870@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.145.1.221 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) My dentist has just told me that the surgeon operating on aural cancers here slaps pure honey straight from his own bees onto operating wounds with amazingly good results as to speed and cleanliness of healing. Does anyone else have any information on this? This surgeon is also a believer in not using treatment on varroa affected hives, but in letting the bees build up a natural immunity or crossing them with other varroa resistant strains. Any comments on either subject? Thank you. Sacha From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Tue Jun 18 09:59:40 EDT 1996 Article: 4595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!olivea!hookup!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: Ulli Hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa control by Formic-acid Date: 11 Jun 1996 15:02:30 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 199 Message-ID: <4pk1q6$p4t@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin001.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-------------------------------2521250238071" X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------------------2521250238071 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maybe some of you are interested in an alternative way of Varroa control. I hope that the main manuscript will be transfered to this newsgroup too. ---------------------------------2521250238071 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Formic-acid (Formiat) for Varroa control All the chemicals offered by the pharmacological industry for Varroa control cause 2 main problems: -The mites become resistant to the substances after some years, new substances needed in future -All these substances make residues in bees wax and honey, not very good arguments for our business Organic acids like Formic-acid make not such problems. Formic acid is part of the honey and it is reduced in short time by honey enzymes and oxidation. Different ways of Formic acid application for Varroa control were tested by german beekeepers and research institutes in the past. One method, successfully used by myself and many other beekeepers in the last 4 years is described in the following manuscript. I would like to thank Ian, a british beekeeper who point out that there might be somebody else interested in a alternative way of Varroa control, and so I decide to post the following. Formic acid for Varroa control, Kraemers way! The Kraemer-Platte is a way of applying formic-acid for Varroa control. This treatment has been used successfully for several years by many german beekeepers. It requires for each hive one Kraemer-plate, an empty super, 2 small wooden frames (comb-frames), and some old newspapers for isolation. These methods may only be suitable for beekeepers with a small number of hives. Mr. Kraemer is a german beekeeper (an Imkermeister [Master Beekeeper]), who spent a lot of time and money to work out his way of Varroa-control when the mite became a problem in Germany about 20 years ago. I would like to thank him for his work, which gives us an alternative way of residue-free Varroa- control. Building a Kraemer-Platte: Material: The plate body is made from Weichfaserdaemmplatte 10mm thick (this material is made from wood and usually used for insulation inside houses and sometimes also in the lids of hives, it seems a little bit like fibrous cardboard; make sure to get insecticide free material WITHOUT bitumen on one side). Plate-size: 247mm x 170mm x 10mm Pack the plate in a foil-bag (size 210mm x 300mm) of acid resistant plastic-foil. Fill each plate with 250ml (298g) of 85% formic-acid (use a syringe and wear gloves and eyeshield for protection; formic acid is a very strong acid!), and weld the bag with a double seam. The price for such a plate should be less than 5 US$ if a number of plates are manufactured (Mr Kraemer sold these prepared plates for 6 DM each in the past). Fall-Application Work to do before the Kraemer-Platte is placed in the hive: Weigh the filled Kraemer-Platte and note the weight. Perforate BOTH sides of the foil-bag with the necessary number of holes (diameter 15mm, use a metal tube with sharp edge). The number of holes depends of the size of the hive. Number of holes on EACH side of the foil- bag 1 brood-camber/hive 2 brood/hive number of combs 6-8 9-11 12-15 16-19 20-24 Freudenstein-size(180x318) 8 9 10 - - Normal-size(202mmx350mm) 9 11 12 14 15 Zander-size(195mmx390mm) 10 12 13 15 17 Langstroth(200mmx420mm) 11 12 14 17 19 Dadant-size (275mmx410mm) 12 13 15 18 - Place the perforated Kraemer Platte in a sandwich of 2 wooden frames (to make sure that there is a distance of 20mm to the combs and to the newspaper isolation and so ensuring acid vapor circulation in the hive, altogether a 50mm sandwich). On the top of the comb-frames of the top brood chamber set up an empty super, isolate the brood chamber, with the Kraemer Platte, from the rest of the empty super with several layers of old newspapers on top (do not use plastic, this will keep too much moisture in the hive). Close the empty top super with the lid. ATTENTION, do not block the holes in the foil-bag with the frames or the newspapers, otherwise the vaporization of formic-acid is not sufficient. Leave the Kraemer Platte in place undisturbed for 21days. After 3 weeks take the plate out and check the weight. 165g of formic-acid should have evaporated during the 21 days for effective Varroa-control. This method of Varroa-control is ideal for a fall-treatment, starting mid September after winterfeeding; noon time temperature range must be between a minimum 6 degrees C and maximum 26 degrees C. Summer/Fall Application An alternative or additional treatment (in case of strong Varroa populations) is to use the Kraemer Platte after honey harvesting in summer (early August, some open honey (or sugar) in the combs is important) for 7 days, and for an additional 14 days end of September. For this treatment a fresh filled Kraemer Platte is perforated face to face with 3-5 holes/side, depending on the volume of the hive 60-78 liters -> 3 holes / side 79-100 liters-> 4 holes / side 101-120 liters-> 5 holes / side Only the volume of the brood chamber and honey supers matters, any bottom space must be ignored. Place the perforated plate vertically in a empty comb-frame (use small pins to fix the plate) in the center of the empty honey super. !The bees need unsealed food in the hive! Give sugar syrup before the application of formic-acid if it is necessary. The treatment can be done with noon-temperatures of maximum 26 degrees C. After 7 days take the plate out of the hive, store it in a foil-bag (several plates in one bag are good), and store them horizontal and cool up to September, best would be to weld the storage bag (ventilation may be useful to prevent bad formic-acid odor). Feed the bees for the winter, and at end of September place the used plates for 14 more days in their hive, like described above for the September-application. Add additional holes in the plate (2 more than in the table for the regular Fall-application). This alternative treatment is useful if there is a strong Varroa population in the hives during summer. For normal Varroa populations the 21 days in September are sufficient. Just to point it out, in the regular fall treatment the plate is placed horizontally on top of the upper brood room, while during the summer treatment the plate is placed in a frame vertically in the upper brood room (remove temporarily a frame with honey to get space). I have used these methods of Varroa control for the last 4 years with good success. Years with extreme cold or hot September/October may cause problems, but however it works! Ulli Höger Germany E-Mail: Hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de ---------------------------------2521250238071-- From cdg1@concentric.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:40 EDT 1996 Article: 4596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!winternet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!newshost.comco.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news From: cdg1@concentric.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Publications Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 05:54:08 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4plmf8$d7b@tribune.concentric.net> References: <4ovpgo$2fu$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc057037.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Michael W. Triplett <74362.2746@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Can anyone provide the address, 800 phone number, and/or e-mail >address to any of the following publications/suppliers or any >other good bee publications/suppliers. "American Bee Journal", >"Bee Culture", the Walter T. Kelly Co. Thanks. >Mike Triplett >74362.2746@compuserve.com Try 800-555-1212 cdg From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:40 EDT 1996 Article: 4597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tucson Bee Lab Closure Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 02:49:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606120146012121@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 63 *From the BEE-List ---------------------------------------- From: "" Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:30:37 -0400 Subject: Tucson Bee Lab Closure To: All interested parties From: Larry Connor, Wicwas Press Re: Industry response to plan to close Tucson Bee Lab The following letter was sent to all members of the U.S. House and Senate Agriculture appropriations Subcommittees on 28 May 1996. The final letter was prepared by Mary Kay Thatcher of the American Farm Bureau. 202 484-3604 fax. Since most of these people involved in the preparation of this letter are not internet users, I feel it is important to post this letter on the B-List. Letter to House and Senate Ag Appropriations Subcommunities The undersigned organizations, representing the entire honey bee industry as well as a vast majority of farmers who need bees for pollination, wish to bring to your attention the U.S. Department of Agriculture/Agricultural Research Service proposal to close the Carl Hayden Bee Research Center in Tucson, Arizona. There are several reasons why we believe this is not in the best interests of beekeepers or of factors dependent on bees for pollination. The research needs facing the bee industry have never been greater. Mite problems continue to plague beekeepers. Heavy loss of colonies continues at an alarming rate, despite treatment. The continued migration of the Africanized Honey Bee will cause more beekeepers to experience problems while posing significant public health problems as Africanized bees and humans interact. Their impact on pollination is still not clear. Other serious problems include chalkbrood and foulbrood, wax moth and viral bee diseases, The Carl Hayden Center is important because its strategic location in the desert allows researchers to conduct year-round activities on bee and pollination problems. The Center recently developed a public education program to assist pest control officials remove the growing number of unwanted and potentially dangerous Africanized honey bee swarms, The Center was the first ARS facility to have a home page on the World Wide Web, which currently serves 13,000 customer requests per week for information on bees. Earlier this month, the Center's home page won the Secretary's Award. for public service. The Tucson Center is ranked by the ARS as its second most productive bee lab and among the most productive of all ARS laboratories. We understand the budgetary realities that you must address. We want to assist you in meeting those goals and believe this can be accomplished while maintaining a strong research program to address honey bee and pollination problems. Included in this, is transferring wild bee research programs from the ARS facility in Logan, Utah to other ARS laboratories. Additional budget savings, if necessary, should be accomplished by seeking the input from ARS customers-beekeepers and pollination users. While we understand the financial constraints imposed upon ARS, we believe alternatives are available that minimize the impact to ARS' total bee research program. Closing the Tucson lab will have a significant, negative impact on bee research in the U.S. Thank you for considering our views. American Beekeeping Federation American Farm Bureau Federation American Honey Producers Association International Apple Institute United Fresh Fruit and Vegetable Association Western Growers Association --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ - Busy As A Bee With This Mail From jcschaper@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:41 EDT 1996 Article: 4598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jcschaper@aol.com (JCSchaper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My first successful swarm! Date: 12 Jun 1996 19:21:35 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 8 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4pnjdv$rla@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4pha62$hjq@cronkite.d48.lilly.com> Reply-To: jcschaper@aol.com (JCSchaper) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Congratulations to you first swarm, here in germany all the bees are swarming like mad this year, I successfully collected two swarms, one from the ground (that was easy) for the other one I had to climb a tree. Regards from Germany (Bielefeld), Christoph Schaper mail: jcschaper@aol.com From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:41 EDT 1996 Article: 4599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!newshub.tc.umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!cbgw1.att.com!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:18:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606121712442123@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <4ph9bm$2m6@news.sandia.gov> <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> From: "Victor C. Rimkus" >Subject: Re: Bumblebees >The way it was explained to me: >honeybees fly forward by going Buzz, Buzz, Buzz ... >honeybees fly backwards by going zzuB, zzuB, zzuB ... One of Prof. Norman Gary's favorite jokes, you know the Norman Gary from Nuton's Apple. >I've got to keep a light heart. We have a major drought here in New >Mexico and the bees are not bringing in any nectar. Pollen seems to be OK >but there may not be any honey this year. So the anticipated routine for >this fall is Feed, Feed, Feed ... Sorry to hear that, but it is the same in Arizona, and much of Texas. Do you get the monsume summer rains and a shot at late summer or fall flowers and honey? >Pray for rain! If all my prayer's for rain were answered we would all bee perched on some mountain waiting for the water to go down, but I will add a little extra for you anyway.. ttul Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... To sway its silent chimes, else must the bee, From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:41 EDT 1996 Article: 4600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!daily-planet.execpc.com!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!cbgw1.att.com!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Zealand Bee Diseases Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:14:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606121712442124@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 213 *posted in the BEE-List.. ---------------------------------------- CVE>From: Cliff Van Eaton >Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:47:51 +1200 >Subject: New Zealand Bee Diseases [WARNING, if you are not interested in opinion, or are satisfied that facts reported by representatives of any government have some value similar to the words of the LORD from the Holy Bible DO NOT READ THIS POST, trash it, and put the posters name in your personal "kill file" as it contains nothing but PERSONAL OPINION and does not represent the "official" view of any government or any opinion other then the writers own.] **NOTE: The fastest way to end a tread is NOT to post back to it or use E-MAIL. You have been WARNED [page down] for the un-official reply to the official reply from the New Zealand's Apicultural Advisory Officer. CVE>In reply to Mr. Patton's message to BEE-L of June 8, 1996 Given>, I would like to clarify the following points for subscribers: CVE>1. My position with the NZ government is Apicultural Advisory Officer, >not "Agricultural" Advisory Officer, as Mr. Patton states. Well, Cliff, I Love My Boss too, even if my position is from the very low perspective of being a life long self employed beekeeper since 1955 and in involuntary forced semi retirement because of beekeeping problems here in California. D, D, and D; Dead bees, Diseased bees, and a Darn bee thief who stole the last 500 healthy hives I had out of a almond orchard the early spring of 95. CVE>3. The disease "melanosis" was not included in the list of bee diseases >present in New Zealand included in my April 19, 1996 posting because Humm, very interesting, but not clear as to why it was not included other then its a "maybe" disease you have but don't want other's to know "officially" you have it, relying on technical semantics to make your case you have it but you don't have it in the report. Do you know about foot notes, much better then the foot in mouth disease. >Dr. Liu's article did not state that the causitive organism of melanosis ha >been isolated, either in NZ bees, or in NZ queens introduced into Candian Much quoting left out but did you know that a few scientists may believe that if you have one acarapis bee mite there is a pretty good chance you have them all or in time will have? Lets see there were four acarapis mites, now there are three, but all of them feed on the bee in the same way, but from different positions on or in the bee, but not to worry only the one's found in the breathing tubes are reason for concern, but then they also can be found in other internal organs and spaces. Yes it is clear, acarapis mites are not good on our bees and NZ does have acarapis mites on some of their bees at one time or another the same as most other areas of the world that have looked for them. CVE>4. Mr. Patton's states that all the old time beekeepers he has interviewed >doubt that NZ is free of EFB. I am unsure as to what evidence these >persons have for such a claim. One of the problems is that people from NZ who keep bees and are outside of the government or are not involved in the bee export market or representing others who may have such interests do talk with other keepers of bees and they have a opinion that is somewhat different from the "official one" of the NZ Apricot Advasiory Officer on some of the claims of superior health of NZ bees made by others and government and regulatory officials. And NO I am not about to give out names as I am sure others have ways of dealing with these beekeepers and re-educating them on the official regulatory or government position. >posting of April 19, 1996, that New Zealand is free of European >foulbrood is based on a sound surveillance programme. Government >apiculture personnel inspect 500 apiaries throughout NZ each year, with >the apiaries chosen for their proximity to risk areas. Here in California, the Left Coast of the USA we have individual beekeepers who check 500 apiaries each year if you count multiply visits it would even bee much higher. We have found just about every kind of disease, pest, and predator, bees can get with the exception of a few exotics that some say would carry the bees, boxes and all away. We are always looking for some new ones to challenge our beekeeping skills. It's the total numbers of hives and the percentage of those numbers inspected that tells the true and honest story of apiary inspection, not numbers of apiaries inspected which could be any number of bee hives per apiary from a few to a lot. It is also somewhat important to clarify that bee inspections are made on individual hives and that if one hive or ten hives are opened and 100 hives are in the yard that to some with regulatory mind set it may be a 100% apiary inspection. Not to a real beekeeper for whom it would only be one or ten hives inspected out of 100 in the bee yard or apiary site. When a beekeeper talks about bee inspection he is normally talking about looking at every hive and not some magic formula that gives some statistical probability that something you have not ever seen does not exist. God made bees and made them subject to diseases, pests, predators, and change, and if any beeman lives long enough and looks hard enough he will someday find them all without traveling farther then his own bee yards. Not finding any one of them does not indicate they don't exist, only that they were not found, yet. >etc). The surveillance system is audited and subject to review by >recognised overseas government agriculture officials and beekeeping >industry representatives. This is good and many beekeepers here have a go at our own agricultural and government officials in legislative hearings and the like, and have been successful in reducing their numbers and funding, now relying more on the beekeepers own abilities to detect and suppress disease or any economic beekeeping problem he has. Kind of a back to basics movement of self reliance and with little or no government interference. There are still many beekeepers who would like government to do it all for them, especially so the one's who would like to ship bees into political areas that require some form of official government health certification, but because of the realities in the bee regulatory industry and its value to society as a whole they are not having it their way for the rest of us and those who need the paper work are getting the paper work making everyone happy and secure in their work. CVE>5. Mr. Patton states that the "claim that NZ is free of EFB has in the past >been an effective zoosanitary trade barrier which has been an effective >trade and economic tool for the NZ honeybee industry as this claim >prevents any honeybees, honey and or used equipment from entering >NZ". As I made clear in my posting of April 19, 1996, imports of >honeybees, honey and other bee products are allowed entry into NZ >provided they are determined to have a low risk of introducing exotic >honey bee diseases. I like this bureaucratic government erratica as it seems as familiar as such statement as "apparently free of pests and disease at the time of inspection", but in reality it is, and always has been and will continue to be in the future "bee buyer bee ware" when you get down to the bottom line in the bee business or hobby it is far better to know the beekeeper who you are dealing with then the bee inspector who inspects the bees as the fox smells his own hole first so a beekeepers knows his own bees best. >Millions of dollars of such products are imported into NZ each >year. I am sure you do not mean to be misleading and would like to part this out to the number of pounds of bees, number of queen bees, as it really appears that you are including the value of honey and other bee products imported into NZ to give the appearance of a open market for bees and queens and I don't believe that is what you wanted to do as it would be very deceptive and to some and less then the true facts to the reader who is not familiar with your countries history of importations of bees and queens. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. In ending I would say again, NZ has there landing rights in Hawaii, be happy in that, but not so secure that in attacking any beekeeper >from the prospective of a government position of any class or rank that these landing rights could not be revoked. You could find the political back lash grater then you expect...From here in the safety of my home office I sit and I can't see the stars or buttons on any uniform and am not impressed by the bureaucratic talk and expect better >from government representatives then what some have provided because of their stated high rank and professional opinion which have the same value as any other's posts or opinion at least to me and a few others I am sure. If they were public servants in California I would demand better and have it but we are not we are just beekeepers. The devil is always in the details and those with the rank better know the details and be able to express them so us lowly beekeepers can and do understand them which does not happen with bureaucrat to bureaucrat making revisions to regulations and public law without the "involved" consent of the people at risk, including the lowly Hawaiian beekeepers. "Involved" means more then a government form letter back acknowledging the receiving of someone's comment. It may be different in other countries, but I am not so sure it is all that much better. New Zealand is a wonderful place, has a wonderful system of government, great public servants, good beekeepers, bees that they can be proud of, but so has Hawaii, or California or Timbuktu and they too have every right to try to protect and promote what they have. Maybe we don't have the luxury of having slick government agents speaking out for us, and maybe what we have to say is hard to follow because of our own short falls in language skills or lack of high education or office, but we will have our say the same as some have had their way with our own bureaucrats. BTW: NZ may be the only place in the world that blames any significant part of their own AFB incidence on the residue of honey left over from emptied import and consumer containers of honey, left in the trash, and believes it...can prove it, and bee proud of it, at the same time they would have us all believe that there is "no risk" to the bees of Hawaii >from NZ bees landing at Hawaii's international airport and some unforeseen careless act which is no different then putting out the trash containing sticky honey containers, something that many in the world of beekeeping would consider a very minor regulatory and bee health problem at the most... I guess it depends a lot on who's ox is being gored but I suspect we have not heard the end of this story which may come from the beekeepers in Canada or the sleeping politicians in Washington, or some other place in the end, God forbidding any New Zealand bees escaping from the trash at Hawaii's airports. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ All bees are looking for bargains in nature's supermarket --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... As doth the meadow-bee, From bahaus@primenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:42 EDT 1996 Article: 4601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail From: bahaus@primenet.com (bill ahaus) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sources of jars or bottles for small bottling operation Date: 12 Jun 1996 18:08:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4pnplh$51h@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> Reply-To: bahaus@primenet.com X-Posted-By: ip194.nmp.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I am looking for a source of good quality glass jars, plastic bottles, or pails to put honey in for sale to the public. We have a small side line operation in Idaho, and would like to be able to buy such jars in reasonable quantities so that our prices per jar would be less. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks From afn33187@freenet.ufl.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:42 EDT 1996 Article: 4602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news1.best.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!van-bc!van.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: "Nathan Stamey Winesett" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Arizona honey crops Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 00:18:36 -0400 Organization: Eli Winesett & Sons, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bb58df.63edc9e0$9608e3c7@nathan> NNTP-Posting-Host: ftmfl1-23.gate.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 Hello, I am a beekeeper in southwest Florida where bees thrive on orange blossom, palmetto, Brazilian pepper, Melaluca(sp?), and mangrove. I am moving to Tucson, AZ to attend school and I plan on keeping bees there. I know there are bees there, but what do they feed on? Sincerely, Nathan Winesett -- Nathan Stamey Winesett afn33187@freenet.ufl.edu From vcrimku@sandia.gov Tue Jun 18 09:59:42 EDT 1996 Article: 4603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sources of jars or bottles for small bottling operation Date: 13 Jun 1996 14:36:46 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4pp91u$q7j@news.sandia.gov> References: <4pnplh$51h@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: bahaus@primenet.com bahaus@primenet.com (bill ahaus) wrote: >I am looking for a source of good quality glass jars, plastic bottles, >or pails to put honey in for sale to the public. You should check your Yellow Pages for packaging suppliers in your area. I have been getting mine from a local outfit in order to save the shipping. I usually buy in bulk and it takes me a couple years to dwindle the supply. The local suppliers stock bears & spouts, pint thru gallon plastic bottles and all sorts of plain and fancy glass jars. Victor in Albuquerque From fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca Tue Jun 18 09:59:43 EDT 1996 Article: 4604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!altitude!necillu.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sting relief Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:27:48 -0400 Organization: Necessary Illusions Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: necillu.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 It's my second year bee-keeping. Yesterday I was stung on my hand and it has ballooned to the point where I can't move my fingers. (I've been stung numerous times with little or no reaction.) I thought that by now I should be immune to these kinds of reactions. Why do I still get such violent reactions to the odd sting? What can I take to relieve the swelling? (I am taking anti-histamines.) Is there any long-term treatment to reduce such adverse reactions? How long or how many stings does it take to get immune to bee stings? I have read the FAQ on the subject but it deal primarily with systemic reactions. Thanks for your insight. From fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca Tue Jun 18 09:59:43 EDT 1996 Article: 4605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!altitude!necillu.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sting relief Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:38:01 -0400 Organization: Necessary Illusions Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: necillu.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 It's my second year bee-keeping. Yesterday I was stung on my hand and it has ballooned to the point where I can't move my fingers. (I've been stung numerous times with little or no reaction.) I thought that by now I should be immune to these kinds of reactions. Why do I still get such violent reactions to the odd sting? What can I take to relieve the swelling? (I am taking anti-histamines.) Is there any long-term treatment to reduce such adverse reactions? How long or how many stings does it take to get immune to bee stings? I have read the FAQ on the subject but it deal primarily with systemic reactions. Thanks for your insight. From Phillips@at01po.wpo.state.ks.us Tue Jun 18 09:59:44 EDT 1996 Article: 4607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!ub!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: Steve Phillips Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Archives Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:27:53 -0700 Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY (USA) Lines: 1 Message-ID: <31C05DA9.243E@at01po.wpo.state.ks.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: syru2-153.syr.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) Are the discussions on sci.agriculture.beekeeping archived anywhere? From lnfisk@cyberhighway.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:44 EDT 1996 Article: 4608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.cyberhighway.net!usenet From: Larry F Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: price of beeswax? Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:29:42 -0600 Organization: CyberHighway Internet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <31C0EAB6.3EBC@cyberhighway.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cam-pm1-25.cyberhighway.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) Hi, I'm new to this group, hope this is on topic. Does anyone know the current going price for beeswax? I hav'nt sold any for 10 years or so and hav'nt kept track of the price. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:44 EDT 1996 Article: 4610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!cancer.vividnet.com!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Arizona honey crops Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:41:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606130741562130@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <01bb58df.63edc9e0$9608e3c7@nathan> Lines: 22 >From: "Nathan Stamey Winesett" >Subject: Arizona honey crops >moving to Tucson, AZ to attend school and I plan on keeping bees there. I >know there are bees there, but what do they feed on? You will have a blast, as the dreaded "killer" bee have now reached the area and it is said the bees feed on the local people and small animals. But not to fear they are reported to bee very productive in years past but because of a "100 year drought" the prospects for honey crops of any kind are very poor as the trees and brush are dieing from the lack of moisture. With luck this will have changed by the time you reach there and the summer rains will have returned, at least the beekeepers there hope so or they will have to feed there bees this fall to keep them alive. The drought extends for Southern California to Texas and the amounts of honey produced in much of the area has been very poor to nothing. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... "Having found the flower and driven a bee away, From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Tue Jun 18 09:59:42 EDT 1996 Article: 4611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news.dfn.de!ze