From benbrook@hillnet.comSat Mar 16 10:14:35 1996 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 00:54:46 -0500 From: Charles Benbrook To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Respone to John Ikerd I remember maybe 6 or 8 years ago hearing John Ikerd deliver his three legs of the stool lecture. I have not learned much since about the essential dimensions of sustainability. They existed before John's thoughtful 3-leg analogy, and will exist long after we are all gone. I do tire of the discussions about sustainability, paradigm shifts, etc., as does Pat Madden and many others who have been involved in this "discussion", or reflection for a long time. Paradigms do not shift because people conduct research and publish in peer reviewed journals information that shows paradigms need to or should change. Paradigms are rooted in the real world. They change when the world changes. I am interested in more discussion about real world things happening on farms. The paradigm will shift only after what farmers are doing has shifted. This is because paradigms can be and are sustained by people, industries, gov't and private funders, the church, and others who are willing to invest energy, time, resources in communications designed to defend the old and raise questions about the new. So, any more thoughts out there about the role of microbial communities in creating disease and weed suppressive soils? I see in the latest issue of the J. of Soil and Water Cons. an article on soil P levels and when regulation should kick in. The bottom line has major consequences on how long a mega-pork operation can function in a given place (maybe 10-15 years if soil P not elevated to start). Everyone interested in public health policy and regulation should first read Theo Colborn et all book re endocrine disruptors, "Our Stolen Future", before you let your mind be influenced by what anyone else says about it. Its really a fun read, in any event. I am doing research/analysis on endo. disrutpting pesticides and the bottom line is sell Monsanto/Dow, buy IPM. Paradigms are sort of like religions. They do not change because of pressure from the outside. Its a more organic process.