IRC log started Fri Apr 21 12:15 *** Value of LOG set to ON <Twilight1> If there's anyone with updates or any information, please msg me or any operator for a voice. <ShereKhan> What's up with these bans? <Twilight1> No idea... *** ShereKhan has changed the topic on channel #oklahoma to OKC BOMB NEWS (chat in #oklahoma1) <Milou> Hello <Milou> CBS and NBC are reporting the arrest of one of the suspects in Perry, OK 45 miles N. of OKC <Twilight1> Any details? <Milou> Authorities following 'paper trail' to suspect in Michigan <Milou> News conference in an hour by Reno <Milou> Death toll: 57 <Milou> CBS reports possible arrest of suspect in Denver, MI <dmorgan> CBS is reporting that a raid is about to occur or is occuring in Denver, Michigan in conneciton with finding susopets. <dmorgan> One suspect is unofficially confirmed as having been arrested. <dmorgan> -- it is one of the ones in the composites released yesterday. <ShereKhan> REMINDER: If you have news to report, please ask for a +voice in #oklahoma... <ShereKhan> CNN: Raid in progress in Decker, MI related to OKC suspects... <ShereKhan> UPDATE: A man fitting the description of one of the two white male suspects was arrested in Perry, OK. J. Reno plans a press conference for 3pm EDT <ShereKhan> OPERATORS: please give voice to people who have something new to add... <ShereKhan> British press have named all the Middle eastern persons arrested... <ShereKhan> Since people aren't cooperating in #oklahoma, I'm gonna -m this channel for a bit and see if things move faster... * SW has not heard cnn say anything about a raid in michigan <tbuck> hello <Willie> seems like someone droped a bomb on this channel <LawtonOK> CBS just spoke to a FBi official who said warrants were being served in Michigan *** ShereKhan has changed the topic on channel #oklahoma to OKC BOMB NEWS *ONLY* (chat in #oklahoma) <ShereKhan> Shit... okay it's moderated again.. <ShereKhan> PLEASE follow protocol and keep chatter in #oklahoma1... If you have NEWS to report, please do so by asking one of the operators for a +voice <dmorgan> reported arrest in Perry, OK of teh "crew cut guy"; reported raid in Michigan <dmorgan> AG Reno will be having a newsconference withinthe next 45 minutes or so <dmorgan> NEWS: <dmorgan> huge break. arrest in OK> FBI raid small Michigan group. <ShereKhan> REPEAT: Bomb now suspected to be much larger than earlier, CNN says 4000 lbs of explosives... <ShereKhan> ARREST: suspects arrested in FBI raid <ShereKhan> DETAILS: according to local news in detroit...neighbor across the street from the farhouse in MI caled in a tip <ShereKhan> UPDATE: Latest off the radio, unconfirmed an army helicopter, ATF and FBI agents made an arrest in southern Oklahoma off of I-35. <ShereKhan> Possible Motive: Davidian Raid revenge: ABC news@1435eastern time <ShereKhan> FLASH: per local detroit news....reporter is watching the house in MI....officers have surrounded the house....unsure if they are inside yet or not <ShereKhan> FBI raid in Decker, Michgan ongoing... <dmorgan> the house in Decker, Mi, is that of "Mark Cornkie" . <dmorgan> radio here reporting that the suspects may be mebers of a right-wing group. <MarkB> FBI officials believe that they have caught the van used in the bombing on video tape (security camera), they are currently working to enhance the video for identification. <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> *** GET SUSPECT IMAGES FROM: <ShereKhan> *** FTP site for OKC pix: KHIJOL.INTELE.NET /pub/terrorism/Oklahoma/pictures <ShereKhan> UPDATE on RAID: local detroit news has helicopter near the farmhouse....reporting looks like a standoff with ppl in the mobile home <MarkB> FLAH: Decker Michigan raid has begun, no arrests noted yet <MarkB> Janet Reno to give a message some time today about the raid <ShereKhan> REMINDER: If you have breaking news, please ask to be +voiced!!! <MarkB> NEWS: 150 people + dead, one suspect arrested in oklahoma, substantial law enforcement operation in michigan (home of milita) <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> *** GET SUSPECT IMAGES FROM: <MarkB> state troopers arrested a speeder in oklahoma who was the crew cut man involved in bombing earlier today <ShereKhan> What is the status on that raid? <MarkB> strong possibility that he is john doe #1 <MarkB> Satelite Telstar 2 transponder 23 carrying Detroit TV channel 7...live reports <SW> local detroit news is reporting that ATF, FBI, local police, sheriff dept and state police are at farmhouse in DEcker< michigan <SW> local detroit news (from helicopter) reports that it is possible that police are in stand off <SW> with ppl in the house <MarkB> NEWS: white supremiscist and anti-government group possible suspected group involved in bombing <SW> local detroit news reports that at least a search warrant is being served...possibly an arrest warrant as well <SW> a few months ago, there was a meeting of the Michigan Militia....a tip reports that the suspect arrested in OK earlier today was possibly at that meeting <SW> per detroit local news <ShereKhan> *** REPEAT *** Satelite Telstar 2 transponder 23 carrying Detroit TV channel 7...live reports!!!! <MarkB> NEWS: farm house suronded in decker michigan looking for evidence in the case not neccesarily the man <SW> per detroit local news...the two men in the composite sketches are AWOL from fort riley <SW> detroit local news showing video of the raid on the farmhouse <dmorgan> brb <ShereKhan> REPEAT: Satelite Telstar 2 transponder 23 carrying Detroit TV channel 7...live reports of FBI raid ongoing on farmhouse in Michigan... <ShereKhan> Apparently noone is inside the farmhouse <ShereKhan> UPDATE: FBI raid over <SW> detroit local news reporting no arrests have been made at the farmhouse <MarkB> Just looking for evidence <SW> detroit local news reporting name of man who lives at the farmhouse <SW> police have not tried to enter the farmhouse per detroit local news <ShereKhan> UPDATE: news just sai that they believe they captured one of the two suspects in perry ok [confirmed] <MarkB> Detroit reported says reason for bombing was protest over Waco raid. Saw one of the suspects at a Michigan Militia meeting in mid-Jan. Turned over info at the time to the feds. Didn't know WHERE or WHEN, but knew SOMETHING was bout to happen. <MarkB> Source: Michigan Militia member <ShereKhan> CONt: The crew-cut guy was pulled over for speeding when the trooper recognized him and called the feds. <ShereKhan> NAMES: Terry Nichols and James Douglas Nichols are the names. <SW> neighbor of man who lives in farmhouse being interviewed....says the man who lives there is anti-government...but is not member of michigan militia <ShereKhan> REPEAT: If you have breaking news, please ask one of the #oklahoma operators for a +voice!!! <ShereKhan> LITTLE known about the anti-government radical "Michigan Militia" <SW> local detroit news reporting that a man driving a burgundy 4 door car left the house shortly before the raid....the man who lives there does own a burgudny 4 door car <ShereKhan> INFO: one thing to everyone....the michigan milita has been saying (on alt.conspiracy usenet) that they were expecting raids by the atf since march..... <MarkB> WDITV Unedited video on NBC coverage <ShereKhan> MICHIGAN MILITIA is supposedly a white-supremacy group <MarkB> James Nichoils farm house raided at 2:10 Michigan time (NBC) <SW> local detroit news reporting they have called the farmhouse...reached only an answering machine <ShereKhan> Does anyone remember from earlier whether a bomb was de-fused in Connecticut? <MarkB> James Nicholls neigbor said that James was not a member of the white supremiscist group <ShereKhan> REPEAT: Live coverage of raid (now over) on NBC... <MarkB> white two storyu farm house <ShereKhan> REPEAT: If you have breaking information/news, please ask a channelop for +voice!!! <MarkB> currently an interview proccess occuring with the believed john doe #1 in oklahoma <SW> local detroit news reporting that state trooper in OK stopped suspect #1 for speeding, looked like suspect...then after interview..more reasons to suspect him came out <RTC> for local 10 min updated info - http://157.142.72.77/okwww/ <ShereKhan> This from MX: I've heard they claim this nations has "turned their back on God and must pay" <MarkB> It is believe that James Nicholls is an organic farmer (a possible connection to the Milita group) <SW> the police have not entered the farm house as of yet * SW is watching live pictures of the farmhouse from detroit local news <Twilight1> RTC: That URL returns an empty document... anything wrong with it? <RTC> ccording to local ok sources - det militia has subcontacts within ok state & texas <RokinDuck> thanks * RokinDuck is in the process of adding a timeline of all the events of the past <dmorgan> Junction City, KS is meeting place for Michigan Militia <dmorgan> * RokinDuck is in the process of adding a timeline of all the events of the past 48 hours. You'll be notified when it's ready. <dmorgan> Rescue Crews have been told to move away form building; in danger of collapsing. <SW> cnn reporting arrested person in OK is Timothy McVay (sp?) <RTC> new video stills every 30 mins at provided www site - keep trying - very busy <SW> local detroit news interviewing another neighbor who calls the raid "a fabrication of our illustrious loaw enforcement" <MarkB> james nicholls friend interviewed on nbc now <ShereKhan> What is the roundup on all the detained suspects/persons? 1 in London, 1 in OK, 2 in Michigan? <SW> when asked if the man in michigan had anything to do with the bombing..the neighbor laughed <ShereKhan> REPEAT: interview with friend of FBI raid target on NBC now... <SW> the person who was detainted in london has been released..not a significant witness nor suspect per cnn earlier today <SW> 1 person arrested in OK earlier today <SW> no one has been arrested in decker, michigan as yet <ShereKhan> RAID: the neighbor is laughing that his neighbor is being searched (?) <MarkB> the man was also an attendent of the milita meeting <ShereKhan> REMINDER: If you have New/breaking information, please ask a channel op to get +voiced! <MarkB> a possib;le friend and someone who wouldcover up information <MarkB> No, the neighbor laughed uncomfortably when asked whether James Nicholls was involved <RTC> follow NBC live coverage for details - most up to date info <MarkB> a very uncomforatble, wishy washy laugh <dmorgan> they are looking for two peopel: Jim and Terry Nichols <Otis> Rural farm house in the "thumb area" of michigan <Otis> News reports many militia members live in the area. <SW> local detroit news reporting that man arrested in OK is Timothy McVeigh...may be related (possibly brother) of James Nichols...who owns the farmhouse in michigan <ShereKhan> MORE ON HARTFORD, CT MAILBOMB: Device was mailed to Geological survey office... discovered around 7:45am EST ... Building ALSO houses federal courthouse... (thanks MM) <Otis> Person if "Deeply" familar with Michigan Militia <Otis> is.... <ShereKhan> REPEAT: FBI is raiding a farm house for evidence they believe is connected to the OKC bombing... OKC looking more and more like the act of radical white supremacists, not foreign terrorists... <Otis> Other arrests in Sandusky Michi. <Otis> Raid is for evidence only in Decker Mi <ShereKhan> CLARIFICATION: Michigan Militia is not really white supremacist, just ANTI GOVERNMENT <Otis> Agents have questioned MI mil leaders re: sketches of suspects. <ShereKhan> This from MikeyMike in HARTFORD, CT: "They also had multiple bomb threats in the city at the same time. I'm a fireman there." <RTC> warrant has yet to arrive on scene <SteveS> m <SteveS> according to abc, the two suspects are awol us military deomolitions experts <SW> local detroit news reporting that the situation at the farmhouse looks more "relaxed" <Otis> Can count 5-8 people in fatigues surrounding house.... <ShereKhan> AHA! DEmolitions experts! <SteveS> two suspects = the two 'hjohn doe' pcitures <ShereKhan> Do the suspects match the sketches <SteveS> the one arrested in perry ok matches the crwew-cut suspect <RTC> REPEAT: News conference by Reno's secretary has been pushed back to 3:45 - 4:00 EDT - sourced by local CBS affiliate <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <SW> agents are lining up in front of the house <RTC> . <RTC> group now claiming absolutely no responsibility for bombing <ShereKhan> "KICK!!!" (not yet, but...) <Otis> Agents are entering house in MIch. <SteveS> is someone monitoring alt.conspiracy? should be interesting there tonight. <Otis> Walked in casually. <edi> News: The president of the Michigan Militia Core denies being Involved with the bombing. He says the group is not White Supremacy nor Anti-Government, that they are Pro Govenment. He also says he never heard of the 2 Suspects untill the news brought them up. <Otis> Neighbors report residend of house was a farmer.. <ShereKhan> This from Rye: Reports from the local radio here in MIchigan says that the farmhouse owner does not match the description of who they are looking for... (?) <SteveS> agents in decker only looking for evidence, sherekhan <ShereKhan> ACCORDING TO THE Southern Poverty Law Center says militia are white supremacist <Otis> News is not implicating the MI militia. <ShereKhan> WFAA in Dallas reports that The Northern Michigan Milita was formed in defiance of Brady Bill, Assualt weapons ban, and Branch Davidians fire. <Otis> Possible splinter faction according to MICH> militia <SteveS> decker house owner is james nichols, an organic farmer according to heighbor c/heighborneighbor <Otis> ATF agents in house in Decker Mich. <ShereKhan> CNN airing speculation that the MI Militia was infiltrated <SteveS> s'pose if they found fertilizer on premises, he wouldn't be so 'organicx'? <dmorgan> i men has been leadd away fomr the farmohuse in MI. <dmorgan> 1 that is <Gigi_> MI Militia is closely related to and has close ties to Montana who DO have close ties to Supremecy groups <ShereKhan> There are groups of MI Militia that do want to sort of "take back the gov't". <--- friend of mine has been talking about this group for awhile <Otis> Noobdy has been taken out of the house yet.. <ShereKhan> (that from MikeL) <dmorgan> Otis: reports ehre sya one has been lead away. <ShereKhan> CNN airing specualation tyhat infiltrators to Mi Militia was gun control group <SteveS> james nichols also has ties to 'for the people' group, according to neighbor <SW> local detroit news still reporting that james mcnichols is related to timothy mcveigh (arrested earlier today in OK) <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <SW> local detroit news continues to report thta mcveigh and nicholls are awol soldieres from fort riley in kansas and are demolitions experts <SW> james nicholls is the man who owns the house in decker, MI <ShereKhan> UNCONFIRMED: the person led away from house in decker was a news person who went past police lines close to house, not from inside house ... <dmorgan> NEWS: media has to be 1/4 mile away from farmhouse <ShereKhan> (SOURCE: ABC NEWS) <dmorgan> Clinton will be making anouncement at 4pm EDT <dmorgan> Search for survivors SUSPENDED due to bldg instability <ShereKhan> The of thins investigation is mind-boggling... <SW> jaggy: local detroit news stations have been ariing the raid in michigan <neeners> CBS: they are unsure if the people in side ar suspects or if they are searching for evidence <dmorgan> please call 1-800-905-1514 for with info, or nearest FBI office. <dmorgan> John Doe = crewcut person = Timothy McVeigh, 27 yrs. <ShereKhan> Where is the feed on? ABC/NBC/or Wild Feed? <neeners> CBS: every lead is still being followed <dmorgan> posessed firearm, in jail sicne 1.5 hours after explosion with posession of firearm. <dmorgan> 4 officers have entered the Decker Farmhouse. <Jaggy> ABC, NBC, and CBS are all airing Reno's conference life. <Jaggy> Live.. <dmorgan> conflict about if the 2 ppl are in custody or nt. <ShereKhan> INFO: Decker is North of Port Huron in Sanilac County <Jaggy> Reno states, at this point all evidence shows it is a domestic act <dmorgan> Decker is 60 miles north of Detroit. <SW> Decker, Michigan is in teh "thumb" area of Michigan <neeners> CBS: all evidence points to a domestic group rather than an internaional terrorst act <Jaggy> NOT a terrorist or foreign act <neeners> CBS: McVain will be charged under federal warrant <dmorgan> J: define "terrorist" <stang> NOT A TERRORIST ATTACK?ha! <SW> per reno, McVeigh will be charged under the John Doe warrant <[Logging]> This is a terrorist attack, whether domestic or not... <Jaggy> President of Arab Association reports thousands of Arabs reporting harrassment <Twilight1> Oops... wrong window, B) <Jaggy> during the heat of this occurance. <SteveS> i think reno and clinton have done well to prevent assumptions of middle eastern guilt, imho <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <Otis> Dog is entering house now. <Jaggy> Reminder: this channel is only for updates and information, not general discussion. <neeners> CBS: N. Oklahoma City about 60 miles north...that is where the traffic violation hapepened <Otis> About 20-30 agents following * stang aggres with steves <dmorgan> Michigan Militia is apparently NOT white supremist, but IS anti-government <stang> agrees even <ShereKhan> FLASH: >>>> CUSeeMe of channel 5 OKC news is on ip 204.96.200.5. <<<<< <neeners> CBS: ther eare several raids taking place right now <edi> no. the leader of michagan milita says his group is NOT anti-government, but rather pro-government (interview with cnn) <dmorgan> concern about the suspects fleeing to Canada isf theya re NOT in that farmhouse... <neeners> They are rad <neeners> er <dmorgan> edi: that is why I said anti-somepolicies. <neeners> They are raggin on InterNet now <ShereKhan> This is bad... <Gigi_> Michigan Militia has very close ties to Montana Militia who are white supremists <Jaggy> Person in audience at conference discusses how there's information on the internet on creating bombs <stang> stuff on the net!!!!1 is NOT!!!!! for use...JUST info dammit!!!! <Twilight1> PLEASE! News and information ONLY. Discussion/comments on #oklahoma1 <stang> jaggy i saw that <dmorgan> if tehy get to Canada, hey can claim Refugee status because of teh death penalty, ala Charles Ng... <ShereKhan> REPEAT: This channel os +Moderated... If you have NEW/BREAKING info or are monitoring a news source, PLease ask one of the operators for +voice!!! <Jaggy> if I may throw in my two cents worth.. BASTARDS <MikeL> There is split screen on local Detroit station and the Feds are moving around more vigorously <dmorgan> unless they can get INTO Canada, and claim refugee status due to death penalty... that WILL tkae time to process... <stang> brb <ShereKhan> *** CU-SeeMe LIVE Internet video feed: 204.96.200.5 (unconfirmed) <Jaggy> CNN: the person brought back from england has NEVER been a suspect, and he has been cooperating the whole time <neeners> CBS: the person returned from England was NEVER a suspect..he is cooperating fully and assisting the authorities right now <MikeL> Crew-cut has been in custody all of the time public has been asked to look for him. <dmorgan> there are multiple raids taking place accross the country. * SW is away - Automatically set away. - messages will be saved. <SW> local detroit news reporting many of the agents are still inside the house <Jaggy> looking at the building, at the left 1/2 moon from the corner there is headquarters office with 15 ATF officers <MikeL> State police car rushing to house right now while Feds are relaxed.. <dmorgan> some sources are claimng the militia group is white supremists, some that it is anti-government, some that it is anti-certain policies... some saying it'a all of the above... <Jaggy> all have been accounted for <ShereKhan> CNN commentary that existence of the internet facilitates communication and leads to possiblity of subversive activities. <SW> local detroit news reports that because the FBI is following up on every lead...the raid in michigan is oen of many..and may be nothing <ShereKhan> ANY clarification on whether the person detained in MI was just a newsperson moving too close to the scene? <MikeL> Michigan Militia is a mix of people with gun rights, anti-government, and may even have members that are of a skinhead background..the man in fatigues looked close to this affiliation. <The_Lorax> Jim Nichols in custody. Member of Michigan Militia. Not sure if there is a connection between him and organisation <edi> abc; atf agents have entered the building in michagan. * SW was away..missed any information on anyone in the house <Jaggy> CNN: ALL information points to domestic/"home-grown" movement <MikeL> Mark Kornkey has SW program and this is where the claims of "something big" is going to happen... <Jaggy> that news from the whitehouse <SW> SW program? ;) <The_Lorax> Jim Nichols is not John Doe 2. He is an organic farmer who lives in Decker Michigan, and is a member of the Mi. Militia <MikeL> SW Radio at brokered stations like WRNO in New Orleans and WWCR in Nashville run Nazi, Christian and Radio Enthusiasts if they'll pay for the airing of their programs... :)} <grey_hawk> various members of secret service and DEA are currently missing [at OKC building] * SW has to go to work....can't give updates anymore. take care all! <Jaggy> Arabic man headed for Jordan is ONLY a witness and has been helping the whold time. He has at no time been considered a suspect. <ShereKhan> UPDATE: Mich mil is NOT supremist. People are passing BAD info no arrest in Decker MI yet. (Otis) <MikeL> Kornkey is said to be leader of Michigan Militia and something big is discerned to be perhaps the bombing... <grey_hawk> official death toll: [57] <MikeL> Helen Walker, wife of MI Mil. member says this is some sort of witch-hunt <-- from Channel 2 in Detroit <Jaggy> No sign of anyone else alive since after the night of the bombing <MikeL> MI Militia has large comp group between themselves and other similar group s in other states <--self-proclaimed authority from Detroit tabloid "Metro Times" <Jaggy> Fireworkers hoping there may be a miracle <Otis> /whois mikel <ShereKhan> REMINDER: STATE YOUR SOURCES!!! <ShereKhan> REMINDER #2: This channel is MODERATED... If you need to speak, please ask an op to be +voiced! <Twilight1> Complete channel logs available... updated every 5 minutes. http://www.procyon.com/~pda/disaster.html *** ATF has been kicked off channel #oklahoma by ShereKhan (ShereKhan) <Otis> Channel 7(Detroit) reports large meeting in Jackson michigan of mil. members said something "big" was going to happen <hou> anyone know where i can get a picture of the building before it was damaged? thnx over <MikeL> Meeting in Jackson, MI several months ago is where the MI Militia mtg. was and where "something big" was going to happen was promised. Members informed FBI of those remarks. <Otis> Channel 7 : T. Mcvie has address in Decker MI <ShereKhan> +mode #oklahoma +v grey_hawk <Jaggy> CBS reports that there may be a connection between the "rental place" and the fort <MikeL> This came from Channel 7 in Detroit <The_Lorax> Van Dyke in Decker Michigan, is where Timothy McVeigh's driver liscense says he lives. <---Ch 7 <SteveS> m <dmorgan> FBI agents are in the farmhoue, apparently with 2 suspects. ATF Explosives experts in farmhoue. <SteveS> montana militia apparantly posted communique about something happening on april 19th... source:abc <dmorgan> <SteveS> traced that ba <Gigi_> MI Militia held meeting several days ago at which the Van was rented <dmorgan> the Michigan Militia says theya re "patriotic and NOT militant". <dmorgan> official death toll: 57, including 12 kids. <SteveS> traced that date back to lexington/concord... randy weaver... execution of white supremacist in arkansas <dmorgan> 3/4 of building searched. THE Day Care Ctr has NOT BEEN SEARCHED YET. <RokinDuck> thanks <dmorgan> Clinton commends FBI for teh arrest.... but it was state trooper who arrested him!!!!!!!!!!! <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <grey_hawk> [cnn] suspect held at perry, ok. courthouse <grey_hawk> [cnn] LIVE pictures/sound of explosion <grey_hawk> well sound anyway :) <ShereKhan> HOLY SHIT.. this channel has 130 PEOPLE!! <ShereKhan> Well, spoken too soon <RokinDuck> [CBS-news] 50 more people are suspected in the basement -- possibly dead <SteveS> fyi federal bldgs in mpls/st paul have banned street parking infront of bldgs <The_Lorax> Ken Adams President of Mi. Militia, denies knowledge of bombing and of Timothy McVeigh <-- CNN <Gigi_> Jim Nocohls fleed the farmhouse minutes before Feds arrived. He's believed to have been tipped off. <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <NBCnews-> death toll currently [58] / 4 people trapped under rubble on neighboring building at OKC. <Jaggy> on CNN they were just giving information on which government offices were on which floors of the building <ShereKhan> REMINDER: If you have info and need to post, please ask for +voice!!! <CNNreport> 3/4th-9th floor clear of bodies at OKC building <The_Lorax> WXYZ TV --> FBI is following evidenciary leads in Michigan, and no arrests have been made *** ShereKhan has changed the topic on channel #oklahoma to OKC BOMB NEWS *ONLY* (chat in #oklahoma1) <dmorgan> multiple raids are occurring in USA. <dmorgan> only released location is Decker, MI. <Jaggy> Dmorgan: what areas <ShereKhan> UPDATE: MI police say homeowner is not cooperating MI pol. say no militia meetings held in the area. <dmorgan> suspect John Doe #2 is at large andd sconsidered armed and extremely dangerous; do NOT confrtont or approach. <RokinDuck> [CBS Radio] neighbor of Timothy McVie: I can't believe that he would bomb anything in Oklahoma <RokinDuck> [CBS Radio] 58 confirmed dead <dmorgan> CNN confirms 60 dead. the day care centere has NOT YET been searched. <ShereKhan> REPEAT: CNN reports death toll officially now *** 60 *** <dmorgan> 1/4 of teh building still needs to be searched. <ShereKhan> INFO: local TV rpts, neighbor says homeowner was not militia member <dmorgan> RADIO: talking abut pychological affects on children around teh country, esp. OKC <The_Lorax> Virgil Stricker, Police Chief assisting FBI in search warrant of Decker MI home, of Jim Nichols, Timothy McVeigh on Van Dyke from Michigan is not involved <The_Lorax> Virgil Stricker doesn't know if it is true. He think Timothy McVeigh might have used an address in Decker, but hasn't lived here for a while. <--WXYZ TV Detroit <The_Lorax> Big net split <ShereKhan> UPDATE: FBI will not give press confer. in MI area. Police say _NO_ T. Mcvie in Decker MI, T. McVie never lived in MI accord. to police ,,, <dmorgan> I have to go for a while. bbs. <ShereKhan> okay <The_Lorax> It's possible that Timothy McVeigh used address of farmhouse being raided on his driver's liscense. <--WXYZ TV Detroit MI <The_Lorax> Searched, not raided. I stand corrected. <ShereKhan> NEW: FBI will not give press confer. in MI area police say NO T. Mcvie in Decker MI T. McVie never lived in MI accord. to police <RokinDuck> [CBS Radio] update in 3 minutes <Otis> Detroit TV showing protest by employees of Federal Bldg in Detroit <The_Lorax> Does anyone know how fast Timoth McVeigh was driving? /msg me <Otis> Detroit news reports that MI Mil. state govt was/is setting them up. <RokinDuck> thanks <RokinDuck> [CBS Radio] T. McVie is being held for questioning in Perry, OK by FBI officials <RokinDuck> suspect #2 just surrendered!!!!!! <The_Lorax> Greg LaMont of CNN --> McVeigh arrested on Wednesday for speeding. <The_Lorax> RobinDuck Where did you get this? <RokinDuck> his name is Jonathan McVie <RokinDuck> suspect #2 just surrendered!!!!!! [CBS Radio] <dwight> his name is Jonathan McVie <dwight> oops, sorry. <RokinDuck> his name is Jonathan McVie [CBS Radio] <ShereKhan> Okay, I'll brb... Gotta go reboot <dwight> they think the bombing was "wakko" related. <The_Lorax> Terry Nichols has turned himself in. Timothy McVeigh who was arrested hours after the explosion, for speeding, has a driver's liscense with the same address as the house the Feds are searching in Decker Michigan. <The_Lorax> Both suspects are now in custody. John Doe 1 has been id'ed as Timothy McVeigh, and John Doe 2, Terry Nichols. <dwight> pardon, it was "waco" not "wakko" <dwight> *sighs* <The_Lorax> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <The_Lorax> + <The_Lorax> + <The_Lorax> + <The_Lorax> + <The_Lorax> + <dwight> /on ^join "% #oklahoma*" - /on ^leave "% #oklahoma*" - <ShereKhan> Thanx <Otis> Community leader states Nichols (home owner) was not the milita type <Otis> Det. News <ShereKhan> REPEAT: ANYONE WITH BREAKING INFO PLEASE ASK FOR +VOICE <Otis> Detroit news breaking story..... <Otis> Second suspect is Terry Nichols brother of homeower in Decker MI <Jaggy> John Doe 2 Turned himself in in kansas <Otis> Neibor states he saw T. McVie in the Mich. area in the past <Out> they have arrested one of the John Doe suspects <Otis> 1;0c/whois the_lorax <Cal> CBC (Canada) advises two bodies found across the street from blast site... <Cal> CBC (Canada) advises search now being extended to other buildings... <Cal> CBC (Canada) advises Suspect Timothy McVIE arrested 90 min. after incident, and now in custody... <ShereKhan> REPEAT: This channel is moderated... If you have something NEW to add, please ask the ops for +VOICE!!!! <Cal> CBC (Canada) advises that suspects in Michican MAY be members of a para military group known as "The Michican Militia".. <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <Cal> CBC (Canada) advises Janet Reno states searches now being carried out throughout the US... <Cal> CBC (canada advises bombing in Prince Edward Island MAY be a copycat bombing... <Cal> CBC (Canada) advises PEI device had a timer involved, and may have been a pipe bomb design... <Cal> End of CBC update... <fork{}> CNN is going to do a live shot of the surrender of john doe#2 ithink <fork{}> they just went to a commercial ill confirm it when they cut back <fork{}> just to recap now. Both suspeccts that were done the composites of have to arrested and are in jail. (CNN) <fork{}> have been <RokinDuck> thanks <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> *** For a TIMELINE of events: * RokinDuck is listening to CBS Radio right now... <ShereKhan> UPDATE: Det news showing pictures of agents searching property of Decker home <RokinDuck> timeline of events is at http://www.armory.com/~ebradley/ok-bomb-timeline.html <Otis> Terry Nichols Suspect #2 was son of homeowner in Decker MI <Otis> Detroit News reports suspects belonged to group called "The Patriots" this is misinformationn on the news behalf <Otis> of a rock head neighbor <CandyMan> Just received by ABC News... death toll now updated to 65 <Otis> Det. News states Mich. mil. says are not involved with OK bombing <Otis> Mtg in Jan with Mi. Mil was very hostile and wanted action taken. According to Detroit News <Otis> Did not state what action and which targets <CandyMan> Death toll now 65 (ABC) <ShereKhan> REMINDER: THIS CHANNEL IS MODERATED... IF YOU HAVE INFO PLEASE ASK AN OP TO BE GIVEN +VOICE... <kpa> hi <kpa> NPR reports possible link to a lybian terrorist group. <kpa> Apparently from a deputy at the location of where John Doe #1 was being hled. <Gigi_> confirmed by whom? <kpa> National Public Radio <Otis> Detroit News: Mich. Mil members say they have seen both McVie & Nicholls at previous meetings but ARE NOT members <Gigi_> deputy.. ahh.. wait until it's confirmed by officials <Otis> Does anyone know the freq. for WWCR during the day. Would like to hear thier spin. <ShereKhan> REMINDER: IF YOU HAVE NEW INFO PLEASE ASK AN OP TO BE +VOICED... <kpa> NPR again says deputy at the location where THUG #1 was held comments on a possible link to a Lybian Terrorist Group -- trying to confirm the name. <ShereKhan> *** For a TIMELINE of OKC bombing related events: <kpa> NPR reports a lybian terrorist group "hired" a group of right-wing radicalists to do the bombing(s). <kpa> thats all for now <Gigi_> is NPR the Pat Robertson related radio? <Gigi_> James Nicohls is NOT a suspect - brother of Terry Nichols .. John Doe #2 <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> *** For a TIMELINE of OKC bombing related events: <ShereKhan> BRB.... away <RokinDuck> [CBS Radio] another 100 people are suspected to still be in the basement <ShereKhan> brb... away <RokinDuck> lk <RokinDuck> okie... <davey23> On CNN: no new news at the moment <douglas> d duffbeer sherekhan <fork{}> whats the latest news <CNN> I'll post a recap soon... <davey23> We'll get our first look at John Doe #1 very soon.. he will transfered very soon.. <davey23> Timothy Nichols may or may not be a suspect... Him and his brothers James are being questioned but NEITHER one is under arrest... McVey _is_ a suspect, but the others are _only_ being questioned <davey23> the US killed hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq.. even if it was needed it is nothing to be proud of.. <davey23> oops.. sorry... wrong window.. :( <davey23> CNN reports that Mcvey served in the military with Nichols... they are both veterans <kpa> timothy mcveigh 27yr old, terry nichols of michigan being questioned only. (mcveigh in federal custody). <kpa> (from nbc nightly w/ brokaw) <davey23> CNN is showing playback of Mcvey being walked out... the first real photos of him. He was subject to many jeers and dressed in an orange jump suit <kpa> found gun, names of terry&james nichols as references on truck rental. (nbc) <kpa> 2 tons of fertilizer and fuel oil for bomb. (nbc) <kpa> 500lbs of truck debris. vin found easily. names given to ryder agency false. (nbc) <kpa> james nichols neighbor: "jim nichols part of nationwide organization with plans to overthrow the government." (nbc) <davey23> McVehy was the name used on the Rider Truck slip... wow <kpa> nbc says militia groups communicate via the computer network the internet...oh boy! <kpa> communicate across state lines, that is. *** ViTaLoGY has been kicked off channel #Oklahoma by Twilight1 (Come back with a real username.) <kpa> floor 3-9 are clear of bodies. only have 1-3 and basement. (most grim areas). <kpa> worker says: "a lot of body parts. workers are finding body parts everywhere. find victims who fell under ceilings." (nbc) <kpa> 2 bodies found late afternoon in building across street. (nbc) <kpa> only 4 adults have been identified thusfar. (nbc) <kpa> randy izydyck (sp?) neighbor of nichols says mcveigh was a christmas visitor. (nbc) <kpa> still searching the farm in michigan. (sorry, cbs this and 1 before) <kpa> cbs is doing a piece on militia training. olson of michigan citizen's militia. <kpa> april 19th is a recurring date in militia history. (cbs) *** CTCP VERSION from douglas_ to $irc.texas.net: <ShereKhan> *** #OKLAHOMA CHANNEL LOGS: <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> *** For a TIMELINE of OKC bombing related events: <ShereKhan> *** FTP site for OKC pix: KHIJOL.INTELE.NET /pub/terrorism/Oklahoma/pictures <ShereKhan> REPEAT: THIS CHANNEL IS MODERATED. If you have any breaking news/updates, please speak up and ask one of the operators to be +VOICED!!! <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> *** For a TIMELINE of OKC bombing related events: <ShereKhan> *** #OKLAHOMA CHANNEL LOGS: <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> *** For a TIMELINE of OKC bombing related events: <terrorism> <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> REMINDER: #oklahoma is reserved for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> REMINDER: #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> Also if you want to provide recaps, etc on this story, please speak up! <dmorgan> still no suspects in the PEI bombing <xphile> Hi folks. I've learned some interesting things about McVeigh from the local TV news stations. <xphile> McVeigh is a native of Pendleton, New York <xphile> A suburban town half-way between Buffalo and Niagara Falls <xphile> He graduated from Starpoint High School in 1986 then entered the military <xphile> He also spent some time as a security guard for the Calspan Corporation, a company with defense contracts <xphile> The FBI went to McVeigh's father's house and took him into custody and thoroughly searched the house <xphile> They refused to make any comment to the media. <xphile> That's all I know. <Twilight1> Thanks, xphile... <terrorism> CNN is reporting that Terry Nichols has not been arrested or charged with a cribe, is being questioned, and is "cooperating fully" with authorities. <terrorism> CNN is reporting on the "militia" angle of the arrest on their "Crossfire" program RIGHT NOW... <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> *** FTP site for OKC pix: KHIJOL.INTELE.NET /pub/terrorism/Oklahoma/pictures \ <ShereKhan> *** #OKLAHOMA CHANNEL LOGS: <ShereKhan> *** For a TIMELINE of OKC bombing related events: <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> UPDATE >>> 21:05:00 CNN Reports: Terry Nichols has surrendered and is cooperating. He has not as of yet been arrested. Feds searched farmhouse of James Nichols, Terry's brother, in Decker. James is not a suspect. 62 confirmed dead. <Raverboy> hi. * Raverboy just got back from perry, <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... * Raverboy saw them take the guy out and got pictures <Raverboy> lots of people, very annoyed with the guy. <Raverboy> anyone with questions msg me <Raverboy> they have apprehended both suspects, the bigger guy turned himself in in Kansas <Raverboy> they were yelling stuff like FUCK YOU! and baby killer, and a few boos. I was too busy taking pictures <Raverboy> no one knows why he did it <Raverboy> 60 some odd people still dead <Raverboy> 150 missing <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <Raverboy> NBC just annouced there is a Timothy McVeigh registered with AOL, of all groups, and he is well known on Internet to be against the government; his occupation is listed as "Mad Bomber <Raverboy> figures an AOLer would do this. * Raverboy hopes they dont take this out on Internet. <Beowulf> The CBC national news made *no* connection between Oklahoma and the pipe bomb that went off at the PEI provincial legislature yesterday. Oklahoma City wasn't even mentioned in its report. My best guess is that it was a copy-cat at best.. maybe even less. <ShereKhan> VERY INSIGHTFUL... <Raverboy> they think it is an anti-governmental org. <Raverboy> the two guys aprehended are suspects but the guy who turned himself in has not been arrested, but is cooperating fully with the government. * Raverboy is hungry and is going to get something to eat. * Raverboy also actually saw the building itself last night in OKC. <Raverboy> tv doesnt do it justice. <Raverboy> that is a BIG-ass building. <Raverboy> the helicopter that carried the guy from perry to OKC went right over our heads. <Raverboy> latest casualty 65 dead <Raverboy> bye <douglas> add cnn 201 <CNN> Hate Group Extremists Eyed in Deadly Bombing <CNN> By CHRISTOPHER SULLIVAN <CNN> AP National Writer <CNN> OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) -- Experts who track hate groups and paramilitary <CNN> organizations suspected from the first that these might be linked to the <CNN> bombing of the federal building. Now these authorities are repeating calls <CNN> for a crackdown. <CNN> <CNN> ``Americans are dying, and it's time to seriously investigate these <CNN> movements,'' said Rick Eaton, a researcher at the Simon Wiesenthal Center <CNN> in Los Angeles. <CNN> <CNN> Another monitoring group, the Southern Poverty Law Center, urged Attorney <CNN> General Janet Reno in a letter last October to investigate unauthorized <CNN> ``militias,'' contending some of these paramilitary organizations were <CNN> mixing with white supremacists in a ``recipe for disaster.'' <CNN> <CNN> Reno on Friday announced the arrest of one of two known suspects but <CNN> refused to answer questions about any possible hate, separatist or militia <CNN> group connection. ``We would not speculate with respect to the <CNN> motivation,'' she said in Washington. <CNN> <CNN> The organizations monitored by the Southern Poverty Law Center's Klanwatch <CNN> network vary widely in philosophy -- from Ku Klux Klan-style white <CNN> supremacy to simply advocating staunchly the right to bear arms and be <CNN> free of government interference. <CNN> <CNN> Direct evidence of the suspects' involvement in any such groups was <CNN> sketchy Friday. Still, militia and other groups rushed to distance <CNN> themselves from the Oklahoma bombing. <CNN> ``We don't believe in violent means or violent acts,'' said Samuel <CNN> Sherwood, director of the U.S. Militia Association, based in Blackfoot, <CNN> Idaho, with chapters in 10 states. He denounced more militant groups as <CNN> ``gangs of guys with guns.'' <CNN> <CNN> A neo-Nazi group, the American National Socialist Workers' Party, denied <CNN> that it knew about or participated in the Oklahoma bombing and urged any <CNN> members with information to help investigators. The group's official <CNN> statement added it believed ``members of the Movement'' were involved. <CNN> FBI agents entered a Decker, Mich., home Friday in search of evidence that <CNN> might help the Oklahoma investigation, the sheriff said. The town is the <CNN> headquarters of the Michigan Militia, according to Laird Wilcox, who tends <CNN> a library of extremist literature at the University of Kansas. <CNN> But Michigan Militia officials denied any part in the bombing. <CNN> ``Our stand in the militia is defenive,'' Chief of Staff Ray Southwell <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <CNN> said. ``This obviously had nothing to do with defense.'' <CNN> Militia members pledge their allegiance to the original Constitution and <CNN> Bill of Rights and contend the government wants to usurp those rights. <CNN> The Militia of Montana expressed grief for those, especially children, who <CNN> died in Oklahoma, ``just as the innocent who perished at Mount Carmel,'' a <CNN> reference to the name of the Waco, Texas, compound of the Branch Davidian <CNN> sect led by David Koresh. <CNN> <CNN> The groups monitored by Klanwatch mainly operate locally, sometimes with <CNN> loose links via newsletters or electronic bulletin boards. Some of these, <CNN> too, mixed sympathy with defiance in the wake of the bombing. <CNN> From a group called the Collective Action Network: ``The loss of life, <CNN> particularly the children, is a tragedy. ... But I don't hold the party or <CNN> parties responsible for the bomb to blame. I indict and hold to blame the <CNN> filthy federal government of the United States.'' <CNN> <CNN> Many of the groups' literature refers to government raids such as the Waco <CNN> siege two years ago on the Branch Davidian sect and federal marshals' <CNN> assault on the compound of Randy Weaver in Ruby Ridge, Idaho, in 1992 that <CNN> left one marshal and Weaver's wife and son dead. Both cases began with <CNN> weapons charges. <CNN> Klanwatch director Danny Welch said ``No More Wacos, No More Weavers'' is <CNN> a kind of motto for some of the groups. <CNN> <CNN> The Waco confrontation ended in fiery death on April 19, 1993, exactly two <CNN> years before the Oklahoma bombing. That is also the anniversary of the <CNN> 1775 battles of Lexington and Concord, which began the American <CNN> Revolution. <CNN> This year, April 19 loomed as the execution date for an Oklahoma white <CNN> supremacist, Richard Wayne Snell. He received a lethal injection in <CNN> Arkansas hours after the bombing, after threatening the governor in a <CNN> final statement: ``Look over your shoulder, justice is on the way.'' <CNN> <CNN> ``They think all this is significant,'' Welch said. ``They see themselves <CNN> as patriots just like in the 1700s, taking a stand against an oppressive <CNN> government.'' <CNN> Eaton of the Wiesenthal center agreed. Subscribers to extremist group <CNN> literature ``get sucked in by the propaganda. ... They know if they keep <CNN> harping on these things enough somebody's going to go out and do <CNN> something.'' <CNN> <CNN> A general resistance to the federal government is especially pointed at <CNN> such agencies as the Internal Revenue Service and the Bureau of Alcohol, <CNN> Tobacco and Firearms, both of which had offices in the Alfred P. Murrah <CNN> Federal Building. <CNN> Other factors, too, lead to suspicion, Welch said. <CNN> Some see a foreshadowing of the Oklahoma City attack in a novel that has <CNN> circulated for years in violent hate group circles, Welch added. <CNN> The book, ``The Turner Diaries,'' by West Virginia white supremacist <CNN> William Pierce, describes a fictional truck bombing of FBI headquarters in <CNN> Washington. The explosive device in the story used ammonium nitrate <CNN> fertilizer and detonated at 9:15 a.m. <CNN> The story's details roughly approximate the bombing in Oklahoma City. <CNN> <CNN> Pierce, reached at his compound in Hillsboro, W.Va., on Friday, scoffed at <CNN> any connection with his book, written 18 years ago: ``It's really, really <CNN> grasping,'' he said, noting many adventure and spy novels include bomb <CNN> plots. <CNN> Welch disagreed. The book's characters had one main purpose, he said: <CNN> ``to create paranoia and fear in America.'' <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> *** For a TIMELINE of OKC bombing related events: <ShereKhan> *** #OKLAHOMA CHANNEL LOGS: <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... *** CTCP VERSION from douglas_ to $irc.texas.net: <terrorism> KUTV (NBC) IN Salt Lake City is reporting that 2 men are "in custody". When I called and asked, the guy on the other end of the phone said that both men had admitted complicity in the bombing and that both were "locked up." <pillsbury> heheheh...thanx ray... <pillsbury> dumb bot...=P <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <Blackhawk> 62 confirmed dead, 400 injured, 154 missing <Blackhawk> Mr. McVeigh has now been formally charged with the bombing in a legal document released just a few moments ago <Blackhawk> The search may be suspended due to ridsing winds <fork{}> John Doe 1 or 2 signed the rental papers for the rider truck with the birthdate april 19th 197x something....same day as waco texas war and the bombing <Blackhawk> Mr. and Mrs. Clinton will be attending a memorial service in OKC tomorrow <fork{}> possably because of the 35 or so children killed in waco, they beleieve it was done so malicously at this point <Blackhawk> It was Mr. Mc Veigh's name on the rental papers <fork{}> evil evil world. :/ <Blackhawk> the Michigan Militia denies any association with the two men now in custody <mathew> <mathew> For Information on Government assistance Try Web Site: <mathew> http://www.fema.gov/homepage.html <mathew> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... -mathew:#oklahoma- I HAVE SOMETHING TO SHARE!!!!!!! <mathew> hi <dooney> u have a voice..so talk <mathew> I have 2 things to share with you all! <mathew> first info the www sites <mathew> TERROR IN THE HEARTLAND <mathew> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- <mathew> THIS IS COMMING TO YOU FROM NEWS BROADCASTS <mathew> **************************************************************************** <mathew> :) PRESIDENT CLINTON HAS DECLARED SUNDAY A DAY OF PRAYER FOR OKLAHOMA :) <mathew> Death Toll: 65 <mathew> One was pulled over for traffic violation, other turned himself in. <mathew> One child from barn was taken by police. <mathew> James N. owns the barn. <mathew> They think it will take 5 more days to find everybody. <mathew> It has been 48 hours since they pulled out a living person. <mathew> There are people in pockets but they cannot get to them. <mathew> <mathew> <mathew> For Information on Government assistance Try Web Site: <mathew> http://www.fema.gov/homepage.html <mathew> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- <mathew> http://www.uoknor.edu/okdaily/bombing.html The Oklahoma Daily <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> *** For a TIMELINE of OKC bombing related events: <ShereKhan> FLASH *************** AOL ACCOUNT: "MADBOMBER: *********** OKC SUSPECT ******** <davey23> so you all will know, NBC reported that there was an AOL account that had a profile linked to McVeigh. <davey23> I have gone over to AOL and checked to see if it was there and I could not find it <ShereKhan> "MAdBomba" <davey23> these sort of screen names are probably a hoax.. it is probably a joke gone completely out of control.. <ShereKhan> or "MadBomber"? I sorta felt that was a load of crap <terrorism> Tom Brokaw read the guy's profile on the air ... "Fight the government to the death ... BOOM!" <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <davey23> Screen names and profiles associated to them can be made and deleated at will... so most likely this is a manifestation of really, really poor journalism <terrorism> PLEASE no discussion here!!! Take it to #oklahoma1 <dmorgan> But the Internet is an Evil Entity, you see, so... <davey23> NBC@aol.com is a working account.. I suggest you write them and complain.. that is all :) <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> *** For a TIMELINE of OKC bombing related events: <davey23> one more thing: with the screen name gone it looks like AOL quickly fixed the problem :) <dmorgan> FBI and ATF agens are conducting raids/serving search warants in ARIZONA <Blackhawk> There is now a measure working through congress called the Omnibus Anti-Terrorism Act of 1995 which would allegedly loosen some of the controls on law enforcement agencies when dealing with suspected terrorist acts <dmorgan> Federal Agents looking into Militia activities fro clue to bombing <dmorgan> "April 19th is a Day of Action" -- according to leter from Mi Militia group obtained by CBS <dmorgan> That leter also refers tot eh anniversary of the Waco events, plus the person who was executed that day. <dmorgan> Timothy McVeigh is in custody; and has beeen charged with malicious destruction of Federal Property; not yet arraigned. <dmorgan> 6 Secret Service people are missing <dmorgan> <4 agents, 2 office personnel> <dmorgan> Mayor of OKC is impressed with work of LEA... <dmorgan> Rescue workers still working; no signs of life tho :( <Blackhawk> Mr. McVeigh's preliminary hearing is scheduled for next Thursday <Blackhawk> He has not entered a plea yet, though he has been charged <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> *** For a TIMELINE of OKC bombing related events: <ShereKhan> *** #OKLAHOMA CHANNEL LOGS: <ShereKhan> *** OKC BOMB LISTSERV #1: To subscribe, send e-mail to: - no subject, in body: "add user@host" (where user@host is your e-mail address). *** <ShereKhan> *** OKC BOMB LISTSERV #2: To subscribe, send e-mail to: - no subject, in body: "subscribe oklabomb Your Name". Send listmail to *** <Blackhawk> the blast may have been caught on video tape on a survellance camera across the street <Blackhawk> the tape has been damaged, but FBI agents are trying to restore the images <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. 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If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <Marid> Anyone care to do a recap of current standings of the leads on the Oklahoma Bombing? <Blackhawk> Mr. McVeigh is the only person formally charged so far. He has not entered a plea yet. He will have a preliminary hearing next Thursday <Blackhawk> Michigan Militia, a group Mr. McVeigh associates with, denies any and all involvement in the bombing <Blackhawk> I haven't heard anything about the other guy yet, sorry...maybe CNN has something? <Marid> This channel is for the continual update of the situation surrounding the Oklahoma City Bombing. If you have something you feel you should add, restate, or want to summariaze, please MSG me or another Channel OP to get +Voice Privileges! <Marid> Discussion of the events, theories, and etc. Can be taken to #oklahoma1. Thank You! <Marid> Webeditor: You now have Voice Privileges. *** Marid has changed the topic on channel #oklahoma to Oklahoma Bomb News Channel (Discussion Channel #oklahoma1) <webeditor> WDAF (FOX) in Kansas City MO reports that a convienience store <webeditor> employee in Junction City Kansas identifyed McVie(sp) from a surviellence <webeditor> video. The employee remembered him because <webeditor> he asked how to get to a certain road. <Marid> Voice people, could any of you do a reiteration of todays events? <webeditor> The employee then said something like "you mean where <Marid> (whoops) <webeditor> the Ryder place is?" <Blackhawk> According to his lawyer, Richard Snell (recently executed) had knowledge of the bombing (he was executed at midnight of the day of hte bombing) <Blackhawk> sorry, WE <webeditor> Then McVie got nervous and left. <dmorgan> was he executed before or after it? <webeditor> Timothy McVie(I think I keep spelling that wrong) was flown to <webeditor> OKC today after being held in a jail in Perry, OK <webeditor> since 90 after the bombing. He was arrested on traffic and <webeditor> weapons charges. A Oklahoma Highway Patrolman recogized him <Blackhawk> dmorgan: He was executed by lethal injection the evening of the bombing <webeditor> from the composite sketches circulate. <dmorgan> does evening of mean wednesday evening or tuesday evening? <webeditor> oops.... circulating... <webeditor> I've got a brief sysposis of the arrest on a web page at: <Blackhawk> de-aaaaaaaaaaanne! The evening of the 19th...sheesh <Marid> Anyone have any details on the raid I heard about earlier this afternoon? <webeditor> http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/brickman/oklahoma.html <webeditor> There's only one image so far, but I hope to change that soon. <Marid> Thanks, Webeditor! <webeditor> As I understand it, the raid in rural Michigan was for <davey23> if someone gets a hold of the text of the arrest and charge papers it would be nice to post them to a web page or to put them up for DCC on here.... I would like to see it <webeditor> "evidentury reasons". I do not think anyone was arrested. <dmorgan> BH: ok. someone else said he was executed before the bombings... <Blackhawk> they didn't arrest anyone in that, though, did they? <davey23> uh.. I am concerned with the papers that the justice department put together for the arraignment <dmorgan> BH: did the lawyers know about the bombing before it happened? <webeditor> Also, as I understand it, John Doe #2 has not been arrested <dmorgan> only John Doe 1 has been arrested... the others are in custody.... <webeditor> ; he is just being questioned and is "cooperating fully". <Blackhawk> DM: According to CNN, sounds like it...the condemned's laster words were " look over your shoulder, justice is coming.", and his lawyer said that he had prior knowledge <dmorgan> BH: did they lawyer say when the lawyerr knew? <Blackhawk> No, he didn't <dmorgan> as in: did the lawyer know before the bombing that it was going to happen? <Marid> Shere: Can you, or anybody else, list the commands for ignoring JOIN and LEAVE notices? <dmorgan> /ignore *@* crap <terrorism> /ignore *@* CRAP <cwush> /ignore *@* crap <Blackhawk> cascade! <webeditor> Everybody still out there? <dmorgan> nope :) <Blackhawk> I'm here, just not much straight news stuff going on right now, so i dont have much to say <webeditor> That's reassuring! :) * Blackhawk doesnt want to lose her +voice :) <terrorism> News has slacked off a bit ... everyone's saying that they don't expect to find anyone else alive - the last person brought out alive was two days ago... <davey23> CNN has a replay of the Crossfire from earlier in the night... mostly including people who want us to give up all our 5th amendment and free asemblage rights because some a militia group blew up a building.. total hogwash.. but this is what we'll be <davey23> seing in the next few weeks <Marid> I know this is a question most of you Ops are going to answer no to, but do any of you not need Ops any longer? <terrorism> responsible for what? <davey23> CNN reports that two Japanese men atempted to release Serrin at Disneyland over easter weekend... according to boston newspapers.. <Marid> Welcome to the IRC Channel #oklahoma. This channel is for the update on the situation surrounding the Oklahoma City Bombing. If you'd like to add something, or want to reiterate the events of the past few days, or as such, MSG me. <Marid> If you'd like to discuss the events openly, please join channel #oklahoma1. Thank you! <Marid> Welcome to the Oklahoma IRC News Channel. This Channel is Moderated. If you have something to add, such as an update, or an interestin piece of information, or a follow-up, please MSG me or another Op to get +Voice privileges. Thank You! <Marid> To openly discuss the events, please join #oklahoma1 <Marid> (I'm getting REALLY repetitive - I Sound like a BOT!) <fork{}> damn. this has nothing to do with oklahoma directly but. report just inn saying 2 japenses men suspected of releasing the poison in japan were thwarted in an attempt to do the same at DISNEY LAND.. <fork{}> this is getting out of hand i think... <webeditor> CNN reports Federal agents stopped two Japanese guys at LAX <webeditor> two days before Easter. <webeditor> They had instructions on how to make Serin. <davey23> looks like we stoped one disaster and went right into another one. Something bad was bound to hapen this week <webeditor> This according to the Baltimore Sun. <Marid> Fork: The Disneyland in Japan, or in California? <fork{}> in california i think <webeditor> The Disneyland in California. <Marid> Hey, any of you other Ops Awake? <Marid> I need to watch #oklahoma1... <Marid> All right, then Fork...Don't be messing around... <fork{}> yep <Marid> Duffbeer...Yikes! <Marid> (don't ya just love BOTS) <Marid> Anybody of you Voices awake? <davey23> I am.. no straight news to talk about, Marid <Marid> All right, slow night. If anybody wants to summarize the days events, don't hesitate (hint) <Marid> Ok, Just to let everyone know, this is a moderated channel, so only the people who ask can talk, and then only about News. If you'd like to talk in an open forum, please join #oklahoma1. Thank You! *** Marid has changed the topic on channel #oklahoma to Oklahoma Bomb News - No Updates - Discussion on #oklahoma1 *** flip2 has been kicked off channel #oklahoma by Marid (No Response - TakeOverBOT?) *** flip2 has been kicked off channel #oklahoma by Marid (Marid) <fork{}> im offf to sleep, byee folkss <Marid> Later Fork <davey23> *Sauron_* join channel fuckcheese, free i survived the bomb t-shirts to the <davey23> first 100 fucknuts to join! while supplies last! <davey23> soorry <MoonShado> I'm profondly shocked by that tragedy and I wish to express my sympathy to <MoonShado> all the victims. <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... * ShereKhan is BACK *** smithja has been kicked off channel #oklahoma by Marid (Marid) *** Sauron_ has been kicked off channel #oklahoma by Marid (Marid) <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> Sorry about earlier... hadda go away 4 awile :) <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <fuckchese> color jpegs! see if you can find your relatives! find yours and get your free t-shirt! <fuckchese> color jpegs! see if you can find your relatives! find yours and get your free t-shirt! <fuckchese> color jpegs! see if you can find your relatives! find yours and get your free t-shirt! <fuckchese> color jpegs! see if you can find your relatives! find yours and get your free t-shirt! <fuckchese> color jpegs! see if you can find your relatives! find yours and get your free t-shirt! <fuckchese> color jpegs! see if you can find your relatives! find yours and get your free t-shirt! <fuckchese> color jpegs! see if you can find your relatives! find yours and get your free t-shirt! <fuckchese> color jpegs! see if you can find your relatives! find yours and get your free t-shirt! <davey23> kick BAN him please <fuckchese> color jpegs! see if you can find your relatives! find yours and get your free t-shirt! <fuckchese> color jpegs! see if you can find your relatives! find yours and get your free t-shirt! *** fuckchese has been kicked off channel #oklahoma by Marid (Marid) <ShereKhan> asshold <ShereKhan> e <davey23> sorry that is my fault... should have warned you.. I thought he actually had news <ShereKhan> hold on... <ShereKhan> brb <Marid> Davey: He MSGed me in another name, recognized it...Was about to ban him before the +v... <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** *** marid2 has been kicked off channel #oklahoma by ShereKhan (ShereKhan) <ShereKhan> Ummm... like BANNED. <ShereKhan> What is the latest death toll? <davey23> *marid2* I didn't mean to do it, they made me do it, the cia, I also have a <davey23> damn it.. I am sorry... sometimes I have difficulty with this thing :) <ShereKhan> Some people (actually, a lot) are REALLY sick... <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> *** For a TIMELINE of OKC bombing related events: <ShereKhan> *** #OKLAHOMA CHANNEL LOGS: <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... *** CNN2 has been kicked off channel #oklahoma by Marid (Marid) <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <davey23> ShereKhan has asked that I recap on the AOL fiasco from earlier tonight.. <davey23> NBC reported that an account was found attributed to McVehy, listing his occupation as a "Mad Bomber" <davey23> This was poor journalism on the part of NBC for a number of reasons. AOL screen names and their profiles attached can be created at will by AOL members. <davey23> When I went online to check if this was still there, I found no listing for it. It was probably a total and complete hoax. <davey23> NBC is attempting to throw barbs at the internet, and they announced tonight that NBC Dateline will do a story next week about the fact that the recipie for this bomb was available via the internet.. (this is a REALLY old issue) <davey23> write NBC@AOL.COM to complain about the poor journalism and internet fear mongering, including a story about finding terrorist "Recipies" on the internet that was announced tonight. <davey23> I hope that about covers it, ShereKahn <Marid> Thanks, Davey! <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> Well, looks pretty dead now, so I'm gonna start posting like a LOT of AP reports (pppffffttt!!!) <ShereKhan> Subject: Jordan identifies ``witness'' in Oklahoma blast / Copyright: 1995 by Reuters / Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 5:40:16 PDT / AMMAN, Jordan (Reuter) - Jordan said Friday a Jordanian-American described by the FBI as a ``possible witness'' brought back to the United States from London in connection with the Oklahoma blast was a U.S. citizen ofPalestinian origin. A government spokesman said its information showed that theperson being questioned <ShereKhan> He had gone to the United States nearly 10 years ago to study electrical engineering,stayed on and gained U.S. citizenship, he added. The West Bank was ruled by Jordan before Israel seized it in the 1967 Middle East War but its Palestinian population hold Jordanian passports. The spokesman, in remarks carried by the official Jordanian news agency Petra, said Jordan condemned terrorism in all its forms and expressed Amman's readiness to c <ShereKhan> The FBI released composite sketches of two male suspects it said were ``associated'' with the truck used in the bombing. It also said agents had escorted a Jordanian-American ``possible witness'' back to the United States after he was detained at London's Heathrow Airport. The man was taken to Washington by federal agents. FBI officials would not identify him, saying he was not under arrest. He reportedly flew from Oklahoma, where he lived <ShereKhan> Law enforcement officials said he was interrogated by federal officials at the Chicago airport before being released. Because of this he apparently missed his flight to Rome and took a flight to London instead. [end/Reuters] <ShereKhan> HERE IS THE WRAP-UP on the SUSPECTS ARRESTED... <ShereKhan> Subject: Two Suspects Held In Bombing - Copyright: 1995 by The Associated Press - Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 15:50:26 PDT <ShereKhan> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Attorney General Janet Reno announced Friday that a man was arrested in Perry, Okla., and held in connection with Wednesday's bombing of a federal building in Oklahoma City. A second man surrendered to local authorities in Herington, Kan. <ShereKhan> Reno said Timothy McVeigh, 27, was arrested in Perry just 90 minutes after the bombing. He was armed and taken into custody after being stopped on a traffic violation. He was identified as a bombing suspect after the FBI circulated sketches of two men sought in federal arrest warrants. <ShereKhan> Terry Nichols turned himself in late Friday afternoon, Justice Department spokesman Carl Stern announced. Stern said Nichols ``generally'' matched the sketch of the thick-haired, square-jawed second suspect named in arrest warrants. <ShereKhan> Reno, speaking before Nichols was in custody, said others were likely involved, and President Clinton said of the bombers, ``We will find them, we will convict them and we will seek the death penalty for them.'' <ShereKhan> Reno would not speculate as to a specific motive for Wednesday's ``terrible attack,'' but she said the evidence suggested it was a domestic case -- not international terrorism. <ShereKhan> Clinton hailed the investigators -- especially the Oklahoma lawman who stopped McVeigh for speeding about 60 miles from the bombing site. ``Justice for these killers will be certain, swift and severe,'' Clinton said anew. <ShereKhan> Authorities were questioning Nichols' brother, James Douglas Nichols, the owner of the farm in Michigan that was raided Friday. He is ``cooperating with authorities at his farm, answering questions,'' Stern said. <ShereKhan> ``Terry also is being cooperative and responding to questions,'' said Stern. As of early Friday evening he had not been charged with any offense. <ShereKhan> Herington, a town of about 4,000 people 75 miles north of Wichita, is a rail hub for farming and grain producers and a bedroom community for soldiers at Fort Riley. It is 225 miles north of Oklahoma City. <ShereKhan> The developments came against the backdrop of the ghastly search for survivors in the wreckage of the federal building where the car bomb exploded Wednesday morning. The death toll climbed slowly as searchers pulled bodies, and parts of bodies, from the building. <ShereKhan> FBI Director Louis Freeh said many details of McVeigh's alleged involvement would be revealed when he was arraigned before a federal magistrate on the outstanding arrest warrant. Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick said the arraignment might come Friday night but was more likely to be Saturday morning. <ShereKhan> As word of McVeigh's arrest first surfaced, the FBI was conducting a raid in a rural section of Michigan that authorities said was connected to the bombing. <ShereKhan> Another federal law enforcement official described the target of the raid as a fringe group. Asked if it was connected to a ``citizen's militia,'' the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said ``they're people that the militia doesn't want to be associated with.'' <ShereKhan> The militia reference is to the Michigan Militia, a paramilitary organization founded in 1994 that believes the federal government has outstripped its authority, particularly in its role as en enforcer of gun control laws. <ShereKhan> McVeigh has been in a local jail since his arrest and was to be transferred to FBI custody, Reno said. <ShereKhan> Freeh said authorities were not aware that McVeigh was in custody when the composite sketches of the two suspects were drafted. <ShereKhan> She would not comment on any evidence against McVeigh, nor on any possible motivation for the bombing that resulted in the deaths of at least 58 people at the downtown Oklahoma City building.. <ShereKhan> ``This investigation has been fast moving,'' Reno said, thanking citizens who had made more than 2,600 calls to a tip line, as well as applauding local, state and federal investigators. <ShereKhan> In Michigan, Phil Kerby, FBI agent in charge of the Saginaw office, would not elaborate about the raid in that state. But he told radio state WSGW that the raid was in the community of Decker, about 50 miles northeast of Flint, Mich., in the center of the region known as the Thumb. <ShereKhan> ============ END / ASSOCIATED PRED <ShereKhan> SS =========== <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> UPCOMING: AP WIRE ON: THE RAID / SUSPECTS / HATE GROUPS <ShereKhan> Subject: Police raid bombing suspects' brother's farmhouse <ShereKhan> Copyright: 1995 by Reuters, R <ShereKhan> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 15:50:19 PDT <ShereKhan> DETROIT (Reuter) - Federal agents raided a farmhouse inDecker, Mich., owned by the brother of man questioned about theOklahoma City bombing, officials said Friday. <ShereKhan> Just hours before Justice Department sources said TerryNichols turned himself into authorities in Kansas, FBI and ATFagents in full battle gear surrounded and entered the house ofhis brother, James Nichols. <ShereKhan> Neighbors and acquaintances in the farming commmunity 70miles north of Detroit said the Nichols brothers had ties to aparamilitary group called the Michigan Militia and fosteredanti-government ideas. <ShereKhan> John Simpson, a member of the Michigan Militia, told WXYZ-TVthat Terry Nichols had recently attended a meeting of the groupand spoke out against the federal government and the erosion ofhis constitutional rights. <ShereKhan> But Simpson adamantly denied that the Michigan Militia wasconnected to the Oklahoma City bombing of a federal buildingWednesday. <ShereKhan> ``He is not a member of the Michigan Militia,'' Simpson saidof Terry Nichols. <ShereKhan> But Randy Izydorek, a neighbor, said Terry Nichols was amember of an underground paramilitary group known as thePatriots. <ShereKhan> ``He's told me it's nationwide and they have plans toeliminate the government,'' Izydorek told reporters. ``Theydon't like to pay taxes, they don't like lawyers.'' <ShereKhan> Sanilac County Sheriff Virgil Strickler said federal agentssearched James Nichols' home for evidence in the case and saidno arrests were made in the operation. <ShereKhan> He declined to say what federal agents were seeking, butsaid they were worried that a bomb was on the property. <ShereKhan> In live television coverage, FBI and ATF agents surroundedthe white farmhouse and crouched in defensive positions behindcars and farm equipment for more than an hour before enteringthe home. <ShereKhan> The agents later assumed a more relaxed stance, indicatingthat any threat of danger had passed. Strickler said they wereworried that a bomb may be on the property. <ShereKhan> ``Their information was that there may have been some kindof destructive device in there,'' Strickler said. ``That's whythe tenseness, that's why we had the overcautiousness.'' <ShereKhan> ``There are not any suspects being sought here in connectionwith the Oklahoma City bombing,'' he added. ``The FBI is here tofollow some investigation and to get some evidentiary materialthat may be related to the case.'' <ShereKhan> ========== end /ap =============== <ShereKhan> UPDATE: The Internet Disaster Information Network has secured the list of fatalities. http://165.247.199.30/ now includes a list of all fatalities whose next of kin have been notified.... <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. 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If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... *** ShereKhan has changed the topic on channel #oklahoma to Oklahoma Bomb NEWS - Discussion on #oklahoma1 <ShereKhan> Twilight1: you still there? <ShereKhan> Anyone actually still awake? I'm not... <Dude> any new news ?? <Dude> hello ? <Dude> WWW OKC BOMB LINKS <Dude> <Dude> <Dude> <Dude> Bombing_in_Oklahoma_City/> <Dude> <Dude> FTP OTHER PICTURES <Dude> <Dude> IRC LOG FILES <Dude> *** IRC LOG: ** <Dude> hello ?? <Dude> any opers here ??? <Al-Ain> hi all <Al-Ain> l <ShereKhan> Heya... anyone have the latest version of my URL list? I somehow lost it :( <ShereKhan> lemme check the irc log, actually :) <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> oops... <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. 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If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> *** For a TIMELINE of OKC bombing related events: <ShereKhan> *** #OKLAHOMA CHANNEL LOGS: <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <shebe> hi <shebe> any new news? <ShereKhan> >>> REMINDER >>> #oklahoma is +Moderated for news and updates on the OKC bombing. If you have ANY breaking information, please join #oklahoma and ask one of the channel operators for +Voice. #oklahoma1 is open for discussion... <ShereKhan> *** REPOST: WWW INFO ON OKC BOMB *** <ShereKhan> *** For a TIMELINE of OKC bombing related events: <ShereKhan> *** #OKLAHOMA CHANNEL LOGS: *** Heath has been kicked off channel #oklahoma by duffbeer (You're not wanted here) <Spasm> how is everyone this morning? <Spasm> So is no one here???? <Spasm> Not that I know of... *** not_dee has been kicked off channel #oklahoma by duffbeer (You're not wanted here) <dooney> someone tell me NEWS <eveco> talk <Spasm> eveco: go to Oklahoma1 <Spasm> For discusion go to Oklahoma1... <Spasm> yes talking on Ok1... <Spasm> NEWZ UPDATE: Just said John Doe #2 is still at large and is armed, and they are looking for 3rd guy in OK... <Spasm> All come to Oklahoma1 for dicussion.... <Spasm> COME TO OKLAHOMA1 FOR DISCUSSION!!! <Spasm> go to oklahoma1 for discussion and talk *** Spasm has changed the topic on channel #oklahoma to Newz here...discussion on Oklahoma! <Spasm> worked looks like <Spasm> what will that allow u to do? <Spasm> hello <Spasm> sorry lerouge, we post news over there when it comes in <CNN> Group connected with blast declared war on gov't: expert <CNN> <CNN> NEW YORK, April 21 (Kyodo) -- The Michigan Militia, a paramilitary group <CNN> suspected of involvement in Wednesday's bombing of a federal building in <CNN> Oklahoma City, is an organization that has a history of violence and has <CNN> ''virtually declared war on the U.S. government,'' a U.S. expert on <CNN> terrorism said Friday. <CNN> <CNN> U.S. authorities have arrested Timothy James McVeigh, 27, who has ties to <CNN> the group, in connection with the fatal blast. <CNN> <CNN> Michigan Militia members ''assert that the government is building <CNN> detention centers, has imported Soviet vehicles for use by United Nations <CNN> troops to pick up oppositionist citizens and put them into federally-run <CNN> concentration camps,'' Peter Probst said in a telephone interview with <CNN> Kyodo News Service. <CNN> <CNN> The group is a leading organization in the U.S. militia movement and <CNN> claims to have 12,000 members, he said. <CNN> <CNN> There are 100 or more similar groups in the U.S., said Probst, whose work <CNN> over 20 years in the Central Intelligence Agency covered terrorism, <CNN> insurgency and political violence. He now works for the Defense <CNN> Department. <CNN> <CNN> Such groups share a ''paranoid view'' that the U.S. government is <CNN> oppressive, they all fear the government seizure of their weapons and <CNN> ''They seem to be invariably and violently antigun control,'' the expert <CNN> said. <CNN> <CNN> Some of the groups are linked to neo-Nazi or ultra right-wing groups in <CNN> Europe, he said. <CNN> <CNN> These groups have been on the increase in recent years generally because <CNN> of downturns in the economy since around 1980, Probst said. <CNN> Members include unemployed farm workers and ''urban blue collar workers <CNN> who now find the manufacturing jobs no longer exist,'' he said. <CNN> <CNN> ''It's a human characteristic to look for a reason why bad things happen <CNN> to people. In this case the militias, the neo-Nazis, the other right-wing <CNN> extremists provided a ready explanation -- it's the fault of the Jews, <CNN> the Wall Street bankers, etc.,'' Probst said. <CNN> <CNN> The groups are ''a manifestation of the so-called disempowered white <CNN> Anglo-Saxon Protestant male'' and they see the U.S. government as the <CNN> prime agent of their current misfortune, he said. <CNN> A partial list of victims of the Oklahoma City bombing, as supplied <CNN> by officials, relatives and co-workers. The list of the injured includes <CNN> only those who remained hospitalized Friday: <CNN> DEAD: <CNN> Almon, Baylee, 1, Oklahoma City <CNN> Argo, Pamela, 36 <CNN> Bolden, Army Sgt. 1st Class Lola Rene, 40 <CNN> Brown, Cynthia Campbell, 26 <CNN> Chavez, Zackary, 3 <CNN> Chipman, Robert <CNN> Lenz, Carrie, 26 <CNN> McCullough, Kenneth, 36 <CNN> Maroney, Mickey, 50 <CNN> Rigney, Trudy <CNN> Smith, Chase, 3 <CNN> Smith, Colton 2 <CNN> Stratton, Delores M. <CNN> Turner, Larry, 43 <CNN> Watkins, Wanda <CNN> INJURED: <CNN> Allan, P.J., 2 <CNN> Bradley, Dana, 20 <CNN> Bradley, Felicia, 24 <CNN> Cagel, Clifford, 15 <CNN> Cash, Martin, 52 <CNN> Counter, Armanda, 53 <CNN> Denny, Brandon, 3 <CNN> Denny, Rebecca, 2 <CNN> Hall, Patty, 57 <CNN> Heald, Ruth, 46 <CNN> Jones, Barnard, 32 <CNN> Kham, Naeen, 50 <CNN> Kubasta, Frank, 63 <CNN> Ledger, Randy, 38 <CNN> Liggons, Brandy, 15 <CNN> Martin, Laurence, 38 <CNN> McCloud, Kia, 2 <CNN> Mowdy, Mary, 38 <CNN> Ngyen, Christopher, 5 <CNN> Parks, Deborah, 41 <CNN> Petty, Amy, 28 <CNN> Pruitt, Steve, 32 <CNN> Scears, Margaret <CNN> Shaw, Teri, 21 <CNN> Shoneberger, Mary, 27 <CNN> Urbach, Susan <CNN> Walton, Susan, 44 <CNN> Webber, Joseph <CNN> Wraggitt, Katrina, 19 <CNN> Late Friday afternoon, the FBI arrested McVeigh on bombing charges. The arrest <CNN> warrant charged him with ``malicious danger and destroying by means of an <CNN> explosive a building or real property, whole or in part, possessed or used in <CNN> the United States.'' <CNN> This list is also available via anonymous FTP at <CNN> khijol.intele.net:/pub/terrorism/Oklahoma/victim-list <Spasm> come to oklahoma1 <CNN> Anyone know the USENET newsgroup following this coverage? <CNN> I'm told the newsgroup 'alt.current-events.amfb-explosion' is following coverage of the bombing *** Marid has changed the topic on channel #oklahoma to Oklahoma News Channel - Moderated - Discussion in #oklahoma1 <Marid> Welcome to #oklahoma. This channel is for the continual news updates of the Bombing in Oklahoma. If you have any news, ask an Operator for +Voice access. Thank You! 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