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Date: Wed Jan 14 1998 - 15:29:51 EST
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Subject: Re: POREUQEIS EKHRUXEN APEIQHSASIN in 1Peter3:19~20
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Dear Steven
n a message dated 98-01-14 12:21:25 EST, you write:
> Cindy
> Thankyou very much for those views below. After reading
> the various views re EN hWi in 3:18 I'm leaning towards
> PNEUMATI because of context in 1:11 which I didn't take
> sufficient account of Peter's earlier comment concerning
> prophets:
>
> EN AUTOIS PNEUMA CRISTOU PROMARTUROMENON TA EIS CRISTON
> PAQHMATA (1:11)
That's OK--I can handle it! Actually this is really worth considering with
the other motifs that are repeated through the book.
>
> This is going to sound like a terrible fudge but I'm now
> not so sure that my "timing" question that started this
> was relevant. Just as 1:11 has reference to crucifixion
> preached in OT days, so 3:18~19 could be read as having
> referrence to the resurrection preached before the flood.
> Though Carl pointed that "in the days of Noah" cannot be
> stretched beyond APEIQHSASIN in 3:19.
With PRAUTHTOS KAI FOBOU, I'm going to say that I think that the temporal
references could naturally extend to the whole clause.
>
> In any case the time frame of the The Book of Enoch allows
> both flood and resurrection reference (the Angels were due
> to be in prison from "the days of Jared", Enoch's father,
> + 70 generations, = till about the time Peter was writing).
> [If that is relevant]
>
> One other discovery: FULAKH, PNEUMA, DIKAIOS, KHRUSSW were
> my potential references to Isaiah 42:5-7 and 61:1 LXX but
> following Peter's Noah theme on into 2Pet2:5 it is
> interesting that KHRUX and DIKAIOS come up again.
> DIKAIOS you'd expect (DIKAIOS is a quote from Genesis 7:1
> concerning Noah), but KHRUX is only found in Gen41:43 (of
> the herald before Joseph's chariot). Can't help but wonder
> if Peter is quoting himself (ie his earlier letter). Was
> Noah a KHRUX in 2 Peter? Yes if Noah EN PNEUMATI (CRISTOU)
> POREUQEIS EKHRUXEN EN FULAKH PNEUMASIN APEIQHSASIN in 1 Peter.
>
> (How do we feel about NT authors quoting themselves? :-)
Yes, and I think that is the nearer context even if one contests that Peter
did not write one or either.
>
> The use of KHRUSSW for "preach" stands some chance of pointing
> to Is 61:1 as Peter normally (1Pe.1:12, 12:25, 4:6) prefers
> EUAGGELIZW.
>
> To just gently put my foot over the line, Chapter 67 of Enoch
> describes Noah being shown the prison where the fallen angels
> are held and it appears that the waters of the flood also
> originate from these pits. Though of course the "Spirit of
> Christ" is never mentioned here - this is solely Peter's
> contribution.
>
> Gone midnight, time for me to go too
Well, that's one reason why I question the "spirit of Christ" being in view.
Cindy Westfall
Doctoral Student, Roehampton
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